“No Sign of Second Wave”: Experts Rubbish Matt Hancock’s “Alarmist” Claims
The Mail has been doing a good job of late, countering the Government’s narrative of fear and doom (and social control) by giving a platform to some solid sceptical scientific voices. Here it is again today:
Health Secretary Matt Hancock yesterday warned that the UK ‘must do everything in our power’ to stop a second surge of people going into hospital with the coronavirus, which he said was starting to happen in Europe.
But experts told MailOnline Mr Hancock’s comments were ‘alarmist’ and that there is currently ‘no sign’ of a second wave coming over the horizon. The data shows hospital cases are also not rising by much in Europe, contrary to the Health Secretary’s claim.
As of yesterday there were only 764 people in hospital with COVID-19 in the UK, just 60 of whom are in intensive care. This is a sharp drop from a peak of 19,872 hospitalised patients on April 12.
The falling number of hospital cases comes despite infections having been on the rise since lockdown restrictions were lifted at the start of July. Experts say this is because the groups getting infected and diagnosed now are completely different to those at the start of the pandemic.
Scientists say it is younger people driving up infections and they are less likely to get seriously ill and end up in hospital. For that reason, hospital cases and deaths will not necessarily follow higher cases, and there may not be a deadly wave like the first.
Another 1,295 people were diagnosed with the virus in Britain yesterday, following 1,406 the day before, and the seven-day average number of daily cases is now 1,339 – a 27 per cent increase on last Tuesday and the highest since June 11.
Professor Carl Heneghan, a medicine expert at the University of Oxford, said: ‘There is currently no second wave. What we are seeing is a sharp rise in the number of healthy people who are carrying the virus, but exhibiting no symptoms. Almost all of them are young. They are being spotted because – finally – a comprehensive system of national test and trace is in place.’
Mr Hancock said in the Commons yesterday that he feared this rise in infections in healthy people would creep into vulnerable groups if allowed to continue, saying it was a pattern seen in the US where cases are out of control again.
His comments followed that of Dr Hans Kluge, the WHO’s Europe chief, who said he ‘wouldn’t be surprised’ if hospital admissions surged this November to levels seen during the worst days of the pandemic.
But scientists have shot down Mr Hancock’s doomsayer comments, pointing out that deaths have not risen in France or Spain, and the reason hospital admissions have not risen in the UK with diagnosed cases ‘simply reflects increased testing’.
Official data from the continent shows Europe’s hospitals are not filling up with coronavirus patients despite a surge in positive tests – hospitalisations have been falling in France, Spain and Germany while cases have risen.
Open University statistician Professor Kevin McConway told MailOnline: ‘An important point is that numbers of Covid deaths in France have shown very little evidence of a rise recently. There has been something of a rise in deaths Spain, but not very marked at all.’
Statisticians say expansion of testing capacity means infections are being found more easily than at the start of the pandemic. In the UK alone, the number of tests being carried out has increased by 20% from the start of July to now. But the number of positive results has gone up by only 0.3 per cent in the same period, suggesting new cases are a combination of more tests, and only a slight rise in infections in hotspots.
Worth reading in full.
Government U-turns On Lifting Local Lockdowns
The Government has done another U-turn, deciding not to lift restrictions in Bolton and Trafford. The areas are to be kept in lockdown at the request of local bedwetting councillors while restrictions are eased in the rest of the region. BBC News has the story:
Parts of Greater Manchester will not have lockdown restrictions eased as planned following a Government U-turn. Measures in Bolton and Trafford were due to be eased overnight after a fall in cases earlier in August. But they will “now remain under existing restrictions” following “a significant change in the level of infection rates over the last few days”, the Government announced.
The region’s mayor Andy Burnham said the U-turn had been “complete chaos”. The boroughs had been due to allow people from different households to meet indoors and businesses to offer close contact services such as facials, but that has now been halted.
Health and Social Care Secretary Matt Hancock said the decision was made “in collaboration with local leaders after reviewing the latest data” which showed infection rates had more than trebled in Bolton in under a week and doubled in Trafford since the last review. “We have always been clear we will take swift and decisive action where needed to contain outbreaks,” he added.
Amazing to think that locking down healthy populations was unheard of before March. Now it seems to be the first tool in the box. None of the areas is seeing a sustained rise in cases above around 50 per 100,000, however. Maybe time to stop with the sledgehammer lockdowns?
Schools Demanding Masks in Classrooms Against Government Guidance
A reader has pointed out a worrying story in a local newspaper about Twynham School in Christchurch, which is enforcing masks at all times including in classrooms. Government guidance on this is clear: “Face coverings can have a negative impact on learning and teaching and so their use in the classroom should be avoided.” Nonetheless, the headteacher, Jy Taylor, wrote to parents saying:
Throughout this pandemic we have approached everything with a measured and cautious approach and there are still many unknowns. As a result we have made the decision that all students will be required to wear a facemask when they are inside any building at Twynham School. This applies to all students in all settings, including in the classroom (there will be some exemption when students can be distanced appropriately). This has been a very complex decision and one that has not been made lightly. We are aware that this may not be a popular decision with students and we do have some concerns about their ability to communicate in the classroom.
Meanwhile the parent of a child at Bedales, a boarding school in Hampshire that charges fees of £39,000 a year, has been in touch with some shocking news:
Bedales School had a single kid with sore throat on first day back. All kids immediately sent home for another fortnight. (Right after the £13k term fees cheques cleared).
Stop Press: After someone claimed this wasn’t true in the comments, we double-checked it. Turns out, a group of 20 sixth formers at Bedales were sent home yesterday after one became ill. All 20 had been at the same party the night before.
Are Some Local Authorities Deliberately Mistreating Pupils to Force Schools to Close?
A reader from Merseyside has been in touch with a disturbing story about the experience of his sons as they returned to school today:
My boys started back at school today. They’re usually quite robust and no nonsense but they came home in tears. They have to face the front all day. If they turn their heads it is a mandatory week exclusion. They must use the one way system (obviously) and if they are caught not doing so they are excluded. Three people excluded today because they forgot and turned the wrong way. They only get half an hour for lunch but they have to queue up in silence for 20 mins and when they get in they are moved off under the threat of exclusion and they have to be back in their rooms by the stroke of 30 mins or guess what happens? Exclusion. So no lunch. It’s the only break they get. Guess what happens if they talk in class, guess what happens if the slightest bit of uniform is wrong (even though we can only order from one supplier and they are running four weeks behind).
The school buses haven’t turned up and the public buses aren’t letting the kids on because they have provided a free bus for the school kids. ONE SINGLE DECKER FOR THE WHOLE SCHOOL. They need to be in for 8:30am. If they are not in on time then they will be excluded. If they are seen around the school (outside) at any time before 8:30am then they will be excluded. How is this supposed to work, esp when they can’t get to school because their are no buses? The head has told me they should walk. A 90 min walk at 7am in winter, in the dark along a dual carriageway!! And the same home. Oldest child (13) has to go to school in school PE shorts that haven’t arrived and have three hours PE at end of day and then walk home in it. All the teachers are completely encased in acrylic boxes at the front of the classroom and aren’t allowed to leave them while pupils are in the classroom.
I’m all for discipline and I know it’s difficult, but this is ridiculous. I get the feeling this is teaching unions making it as difficult as possible in order to close the schools.
If public sector lockdown fanatics will mistreat children by turning their school into ruthless, no-mercy, boot camps, are there any depths to which they won’t stoop?
Students “Sentenced to Isolation Prisons”
University students in America are finding they’ve signed up not, as they thought, to a world-class educational experience with a bit of Animal House thrown in, but an over-priced stint in the clink. Tyler Durden at Zero Hedge has more:
These [coronavirus] restrictions are absurd from the perspective of protecting people’s health given that coronavirus is not particularly dangerous. This is especially the case for the teen and twenty-something students. For these relatively young college students, coronavirus generally poses very little risk of death. Further, most such young adults experience zero symptoms to minor sickness from coronavirus infection.
I have written about the draconian restrictions imposed at college campuses in the name of countering coronavirus, with some focus on Duke University, Syracuse University, and the University of Texas and Texas A&M. These are not handpicked examples of campuses whose college administrators have imposed uniquely harsh rules in the name of countering coronavirus. The problem is present at many college campuses across America, and it is devastating for many students.
The piece relays testimonials collected by Jordan Schachtel of students living in prison-like conditions across America. Here’s a selection:
“No gatherings over 15 people. Everyone’s mental health is crumbling. Nobody is even sick and those who quarantine follow the rules. School requires asymptomatic testing and there’s no end in sight. My guy and girl friends are all miserable . So many have been like this is prison we can’t do anything. All bars closed in Louisiana. We gather at local parks and the cops come to shut it down. No fun ever allowed and no end in sight.”
“Students must wear masks outside dorm rooms, cannot visit another dorm, etc. Threatened with draconian honor code violations if they violate the rules and orientation was declared all virtual at the last minute. Yet today, the athletes, with permission of and active participation by the University, were permitted to organize a BLM march through campus.”
“No roommates… all online classes, no in person activities, dining halls closed, libraries closed except under very strict guidance, no visiting another dorm room, six-ft distance at all times, masks mandatory when not in dorm room, cannot leave the Nashville area, circles drawn on quad area, threats of suspension/expulsion for first offense, security guards posted throughout campus to enforce rules, kids encouraged to report non-compliance, etc. After having been on campus for a week, my daughter has not met nor spoken to a single person. She is in her dorm room in front of her computer at almost all times, and the only times she really leaves are when she picks up her to-go meals. This is a very depressing situation.”
“They have a very restrictive plan which we respect for managing COVID… but there’s nothing to manage the student’s personal experience. Even with negative tests… very restrictive. All classes are online. He can’t even socialize with the other students in the dorm. 1 hour outside once in a while… this was his time to mature, and become more independent. It’s been the equivalent of House Arrest with a stranger which would have been tolerable if things were allowed to open up. He can’t even go outside to speak on the phone in private.”
Worth reading in full.
Kim-Jong Dan’s Vicstapo Outdoes the Stasi
A video is circulating of the arrest of a pregnant mum, Zoe Lee, in her pyjamas, for “incitement” under Kim-Jong Dan’s corona laws. Her crime? Posting this on Facebook:
That’s liberal democracy, folks. Alan Jones, our favourite broadcaster, gave Kim-Jong Dan both barrels on Sky News Australia.
Meanwhile, a reader has been in touch with a new dispatch from the People’s Democratic Republic of Victoria:
Something my one fellow lockdown sceptic at work noticed was the daily reports of how many fines have been handed out by the Vicstapo each day… nearly every day it is very close to 200 fines, a cynic might almost say that they had a quota!?! They are still chasing down anyone trying to organise any form of protest who are being raided/arrested and charged with ‘incitement’ with the huge fines that go along with that. Unfortunately the protest groups do seem rather full of 5G conspiracy nutters and the Police take great delight in branding any dissenters as tin foil hat wearing COVID denier conspiracy theorists. The Deputy Commissioner Luke Cornetto (Well it’s Cornelius, but he looks like he enjoys a few Cornettos… doughnuts too probably) describes any protest as “bat-shit crazy” and after standing back for the BLM protest earlier in the year promises a hardline approach to any Coronaphobia protests.
California Plans a Return to Normal – Never
A reader has sent us the Governor of California’s guidance for lifting COVID-19 restrictions. Depressing stuff.
Tom Woods comments:
This means no return to normal, ever. Given the problem of false positives alone, how can these numbers ever be reached? A member of the Tom Woods Show Elite pointed out some pertinent facts here. Since 42 of the 58 California counties have fewer than 500K people, a mere five cases per day will keep restrictions in place. Some 23 counties will be forced to keep some restrictions in place with just one case per day. These guidelines are being released at the very moment that hospitalizations are plummeting – but hospital capacity no longer guides state policy, even though that was the original pretext behind the initial “flattening the curve” propaganda.
“Piers Corbyn May Be a Crank But His Treatment Should Worry Us All”
Barrister Blogger Matthew Scott has a new post warning that the £10,000 fine imposed on Piers Corbyn for organising an anti-lockdown rally should concern us all.
Regulation 5B was hastily made law last Friday 28th August, the day before the demonstration was held. It was introduced under an emergency procedure and was neither debated nor given even the most cursory scrutiny by any Parliamentary process. It permits the most junior Community Support Officer in the country to issue a Fixed Penalty Notice to the suspected organiser of a political event, demanding £10,000 to avoid prosecution and consequent financial ruin. Given its timing, even if it was not introduced with the purpose of targetting the organisers of a political protest against government policy, it very much has that appearance…
The fact that Mr Corbyn may be a crank, and that many of those at his meeting may have had disreputable or even disgusting political opinions is quite beside the point. As Sedley LJ put it in Redman-Bate v. DPP [1999] EWHC 733:
“Free speech includes not only the inoffensive but the irritating, the contentious, the eccentric, the heretical, the unwelcome and the provocative provided it does not tend to provoke violence. Freedom only to speak inoffensively is not worth having. … From the condemnation of Socrates to the persecution of modern writers and journalists, our world has seen too many examples of state control of unofficial ideas. A central purpose of the European Convention on Human Rights has been to set close limits to any such assumed power.” …
If Mr Hancock’s emergency law is upheld by the courts, as I expect it will be, so much the worse for the law. There may very occasionally be a place – in a true emergency – for significant changes to the criminal law to be made by ministerial proclamation, without warning, without debate and with no opportunity for Parliamentary scrutiny, but in a democracy those occasions should be kept to an absolute minimum. There are plenty of countries where decrees are routinely issued to prevent or deter political demonstrations. Why are we trying to emulate them?
Worth reading in full.
The Free Speech Union has reached out to Piers to see if he’d like any help contesting this. Will keep you posted on that one.
Round-Up
- ‘What is behind the increase of non-Covid related deaths?‘ – COVID-19 deaths continue to decline but non-Covid deaths are beginning to climb, especially at home. Is it because of lack of access to medical attention, asks Ross Clark in the Spectator
- ‘Is Scotland overcounting the number of patients in hospital beds?‘ – Ask Professor Carl Heneghan and co. In a word, yes
- ‘Unfair and unenforced – our Covid-19 quarantine laws are a total mess‘ – Karol Sikora says it as it is in the Telegraph in support of the newspaper’s Test4Travel campaign
- ‘Nation with strictest lockdown has most deaths‘ – George Dance on Peru, the country whose lockdown has backfired most tragically
- ‘Fear of virus is holding back economy, Andrew Bailey warns‘ – The Bank of England governor says that while consumer spending and the housing market are surging social spending and business investment are way down
- ‘De Blasio Suggests Return of Indoor Dining Depends on Coronavirus Vaccine‘ – The NYC mayor determined to destroy what’s left of his city
- ‘Boris Johnson chose not to sack Gavin Williamson… and perhaps there’s a very simple reason‘ – Michael Deacon in the Telegraph wonders whether he kept him on in order to sack him later when the return to school goes tits up
- ‘Switching the code for social harmony‘ – The excellent Melanie Phillips on the dangers of the demand to abolish Standard English as a form of “anti-Black linguistic racism and white linguistic supremacy”. Yes, really
- ‘Tony Abbott rails against Covid ‘health dictatorships’, saying some elderly should be left to die naturally‘ – The straight-talking former Australian PM puts in a word for hard-headed public health policy
- ‘The Bloodless Political Class and Its Lack of Empathy‘ – Jeffrey Tucker at the Atlas Society says the yawning emotional gap between government and people is because they can’t face up to what they’ve done in imposing a devastating but ineffective lockdown
- ‘No, racism isn’t a “creation of white people“‘ – Professor David Abulafia, Emeritus Professor of Mediterranean History at the University of Cambridge, debunks the historically illiterate ideas of the British Library’s chief librarian Liz Jolly
- ‘It’s time to derail the Pride train‘ – Andrew Doyle in spiked on why he’s had enough of sexual identity politics and the hijacking of gay rights by intolerant identitarians
- ‘Record number of young people on benefits‘ – And with tax rises on the way you have to wonder how long the government’s already wavering popularity is going to last
Love in the Time of Covid
We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums that are now open, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We’ve also just introduced a section where people can arrange to meet up for non-romantic purposes. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.
Small Businesses That Have Re-Opened
A few months ago, Lockdown Sceptics launched a searchable directory of open businesses across the UK. The idea is to celebrate those retail and hospitality businesses that have re-opened, as well as help people find out what has opened in their area. But we need your help to build it, so we’ve created a form you can fill out to tell us about those businesses that have opened near you.
Now that non-essential shops have re-opened – or most of them, anyway – we’re focusing on pubs, bars, clubs and restaurants, as well as other social venues. As of July 4th, many of them have re-opened too, but not all (and some of them are at risk of having to close again). Please visit the page and let us know about those brave folk who are doing their bit to get our country back on its feet – particularly if they’re not insisting on face masks! If they’ve made that clear to customers with a sign in the window or similar, so much the better. Don’t worry if your entries don’t show up immediately – we need to approve them once you’ve entered the data.
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards
We’ve created a permanent slot down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (now showing it will arrive between Oct 6th to Oct 16th). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £3.99 from Etsy here.
Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face nappies in shops here (now over 31,000).
A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.
And here’s a round-up of the scientific evidence on the effectiveness of mask (threadbare at best).
Stop Press: Another school appears to have ‘misunderstood’ the government’s guidance on face coverings in schools. St Augustine Academy Maidstone is happy to give the impression that, though not in a local lockdown area, they are now required to expect pupils to mask. The assistant principal, a Mr Blackford, writes:
As you are aware, the Government recently updated their advice regarding the wearing of face coverings in schools. This letter outlines important information about the use of face coverings.
When will my child need to wear a face covering at the Academy?
Your child will need to wear a face covering at our Academy from the start of the Academic year in September.
One father took the school to task for this unwelcome imposition, and his letter, which he has sent to Lockdown Sceptics, is worth quoting at length:
Can you please point me towards the risk assessments that the school/Government have done with regards to children wearing face masks (both clinical and non-clinical as your guidance seems to advocate the use of either) and storing them in resealable plastic bags. I have searched extensively for any risk assessments connected to wearing masks and have only found a growing body of evidence that there is very little detectable benefit in terms of preventing the spread of COVID-19. I would draw your attention to the British Medical Journal review of the latest studies. The authors concluded that: “The evidence is not sufficiently strong to support the widespread use of facemasks as a protective measure against COVID-19…” and recommended further high quality randomised controlled trials. “To our knowledge, there are no trials of cloth masks in the general public.“
Professor Russel Viner is President of the Royal College of Paediatrics and a member of the SAGE (Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies) committee that advises the government and specifically COBRA on responses to the COVID-19 epidemic. On August 24th, in an interview for BBC Newsnight, he made several interesting statements that directly contradict the school/Government policies and expose the sheer quackery on which they are based:
“I’ve had two emails today about studies coming out in the next couple of weeks… which are generally reassuring… which tell us that children… and schools play a very limited role in transmission of the virus.”
“There’s very little evidence that children and young people transmit (the virus).”
“The evidence around mask wearing is unclear… There’s lots of concerns about mask wearing for children… it actually could, potentially, spread the virus more.”
“…for teenagers we don’t have the evidence that this [mask wearing] is useful.”
“…we need to look at how teenagers transmit this virus, the evidence they transmit in schools is not very high, there’s interesting issues about the difference between in school [transmission] and out of school.”
“…actually very little evidence for the use of masks in schools.”
However, far more alarming is the growing body of evidence that wearing face masks may be detrimental to the health of the wearer hence my concern about the apparent lack of risk assessments or even an attempt to evaluate solid best practices and details of how they will be monitored. On top of everything else I’m certain that teachers cannot be expected to ensure that any child who has touched theirs or anyone else’s facemask inappropriately immediately washes their hands and doesn’t touch a multitude of other surfaces (doors, handles, light switches, etc.) in the process.
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And Finally…
According to the Mail, the Campaign for Real Ale (CAMRA) has been blasted for its “tasteless and insensitive” Covid-themed festival pint glasses, which were printed with images of white virus cells. Although the group has now apologised after the design sparked fury on social media, festival organiser Catherine Tonry did attempt to explain:
As someone who has suffered lasting lung damage after contracting COVID-19, I am all too aware how serious the illness can be and the devastating and long-term impact it has had on so many of us. I sincerely apologise to anyone who has taken offence to the glass theme. We choose a theme every year and wanted to ensure the design recognised what was at the front of everyone’s mind. COVID-19 has been the defining event of 2020, and has severely impacted the beer and pub sector – as well as many of our personal lives.
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It’s me!
Or perhaps not. Sally’s post wasn’t showing up when I posted. Never mind – maybe next time
Oh it was me after all.
Just watching the arrest video from Victoria. If this doesn’t stir the inmates to rise up against their tyrannical jailers I don’t know what will
Truly, people are I’m sure applauding the police for this. They think the police are keeping us safe. The brainwashing has been super effective.
I just heard that most of their personal weapons: guns, rifles etc were taken away from them 20 years ago. True or false?
There was a gun buyback scheme and tightening of gun ownership laws following a massacre by a lone shooter. There are still lots of legally and illegally owned firearms in Australia, though.
Thanks, that’s good to know. I hate guns but I am beginning to think we might need to own them if this farce doesn’t end fairly soon.
They are testing to see what they can get away with.
As they say, most Aussies today seem to be the descendants of the prison guards, not of the prisoners….
Spiesser with surfboards.
Many of the original convicts were political dissidents ……
It might not. Have you seen the Prime Minister of Australia? He looks very serious. Maybe he’s scared too. How could any decent human being contemplate compulsory vaccines? This man has had his morals severely compromised. Someone’s pulling his strings.
Prof Michael Levitt: Covid panic will shorten lives
UnHerd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrTFXwLXUC8
Covid 19(84)
‘It’s fear-mongering’: Pregnant woman arrested over anti-lockdown FB post speaks out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKSLeIhYmUU
“I’m too scared now.”
To stage a peaceful process.
21st Century Totalitarianism. I’m amazed how quickly our Western values have collapsed. It was all a castle of cards.
Ok, my mindset now is to forge ahead to help my kids – everyone’s kids – strive for a new and better world than the one our ‘masters’ have planned for us. The world I grew up in is dead. However, if there’s one thing history teaches us – in the long term, evil cannot win against the human spirit.
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=10221505113230817&set=g.190135865737618
Facebook Link above is for:
12 noon 19th September Trafalgar Square – second protest + speakers.
26th is there not 19th I thought??
It’s winning now, Evil is way out in front.
And, even if eventually overturned, it can kill and destroy the life of enormous numbers of individuals first. Neo-Stalinism won’t leave easily!
Johnson and Hancock are the very embodiment of that evil.
Only if you give up!
The tide is turning. Look at the comments BTL here for example:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/02/government-readies-pilot-scheme-universal-covid-19-testing/
Same in the Mail.
Sun readers are waking up too.
Grad doesn’t tend to allow comments on such matters, so that might actually speak silent volumes.
Have to agree with this..People have been brainwashed, conditioned and scared by the MSM to a point that all rational thought has left them. They took away all our humanity, the ability to interact, watch sports, go to a restaurat, hug our fucking grandparents for fucks sake..The next step is mandatory tracer apps ( look at Ireland) , social scores and mandatory vaccines that will never end.
https://youtu.be/4tLcwsCrAmI
We are in a fight to the death, quite literally. They want rid of most of us and complete control over those that are left.
It looks like most people were just playing at being democratic citizens. Now there’s a new game in town – and they’re quickly learning the rules.
That means that some of us have to get back to the basics.
When the time comes perhaps a Network (movie as discussed yesterday at LS) type of protest
“I’m mad as hell and I’m not gonna take it anymore”
would be appropriate since nobody could be busted for inciting breaking lockdown as it mimics the NHS claporama that the government encouraged us to perform for months on end.
Good idea Karen.
Shout it from your window every Thursday at 8PM.
“I’m as mad as hell – and I’m not gonna take it anymore”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dib2-HBsF08
The second video is so unnerving. As a condition of her bail, she is not allowed to post to Facebook. How was it seen in the UK?
Sorry this is all so serious but every time I click onto the comments there’s an adjective omitted comment “I’m first” or other equally adjective omitted banal remark. The joke was over weeks ago. Please stop.
Re the “tasteless” pint glasses. Please, can someone please NOT apologise for once? And why are people so damn humourless these days? We’re living in a toxic blend of puritanism, hypocrisy and totalitarianism.
We should create a cocktail combining all those ingredients. The Cock & Bull Bomb.
I am with you Sally. I read somewhere today that they want to ban comedians…..
Obviously laughing spreads the Covid, just like singing and reading a newspaper on a train in Wales.
Time they banned the clowns.
That’s most of the Cabinet gone then!
And the Cabinet banned the rest of Parliament way back in April …..
We’ll never get anywhere until we refuse to appease the perennially offended. If you are incapable of accepting there are alternative points of view in the world kindly stay under your duvet and out of the way until it is all over.
Then the majority can get on with their lives.
I quite liked the glasses and once upon a time you could have had them and had a bit of laugh with your mates. Unfortunately the spell that been cast over the whole planet has now rendered them humour-less and pious over the whole Convid thing as they bleat: “But people are DYING!” “What do you mean, you DON’T WEAR A MASK?!!!” “I don’t want to hear your CONSPIRACY THEORIES! I listen to news I can trust like the BBC and CNN!” and so on…..I’ve given up with the majority of so-called friends who want to preach to you but put you down if you have any sort of alternative opinion to theirs. Yes, our world isn’t very funny anymore.
I thought the glass was very tasteful & would be very pleased to have one!
looked like a Delerium Tremens glass to me
Infection rates or the number of people tested has increased? Doublespeak.
Yesterday I was inspired by Prof. Carl Heneghan’s observations that the number of replications in the PCR testing cycle threshold (Ct) is too high when determining a positive, infectious ‘case’ but I do not think that he quantified what the difference could be.
Carl, I believe, is a fellow northerner and it is well known that we are more practical, pragmatic and much more intelligent than anyone else so I did a simplistic calculation of what the difference would be with Ct at 40 which is the NHS threshold for determining a positive ‘case’ (see link below) and Ct at 24 which Carl suggested from CEBM research was a more reasonable amount of replications to determine who was actually infectious to others.
I worked it out thus, The ratio of 2^24 and 2^40 is 2^16 or 1:65,536.
Does this mean that out of 65,536 positive tests recorded only 1 is likely to be infectious?
Clearly this is simplistic becase it assumes a linear relationship over the spread of Ct’s. The actual distribution of Ct’s amongst the tests is not published therefore I cannot draw any firm conclusions.
But in my reading today I came across a NYT article from 2 days ago which addresses this issue in part. See link.
Some take outs are;
Any test with a cycle threshold above 35 is too sensitive, agreed Juliet Morrison, a virologist at the University of California, Riverside. “I’m shocked that people would think that 40 could represent a positive,” she said. A more reasonable cutoff would be 30 to 35, she added. Dr. Mina said he would set the figure at 30, or even less. Those changes would mean the amount of genetic material in a patient’s sample would have to be 100-fold to 1,000-fold that of the current standard for the test to return a positive result — at least, one worth acting on.
The C.D.C.’s own calculations suggest that it is extremely difficult to detect any live virus in a sample above a threshold of 33 cycles. Officials at some state labs said the C.D.C. had not asked them to note threshold values or to share them with contact-tracing organizations.
The Food and Drug Administration said in an emailed statement that it does not specify the cycle threshold ranges used to determine who is positive, and that “commercial manufacturers and laboratories set their own.”
This is beyond serious. The labs themselves determine who is a positive infectious case and this information feeds into government decision making which affects millions of lives. In other words commercial money making organisations with an obvious interest in expanding and extending testing programmes make the decision about who should be quarantined along with their families and contacts. Ouch!
Until we get definitive evidence of what the cycle thresholds for infectivity are, we can now see that somewhere between 100 and many thousands of positively tested people are not infectious yet they have been subjected to lockdowns and quarantines (along with their T&T contacts and families) which have demolished their livelihoods, removed their basic freedoms, caused mental health problems and suicides in the western world and have also led to perhaps millions or even billions of extra people in poverty and even starvation in the wider world.
Errors made by government agencies who have not recognised this are not excusable for lack of understanding. The agencies themselves or their political influencers are plainly criminal.
https://www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/wp-content/uploads/sites/52/2020/03/guidance-and-sop-covid-19-virus-testing-in-nhs-laboratories-v1.pdf
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.html
The NYT story was translated to German and disseminated by 1 major (small) news network only, NTV, in Germany.
The two most influential bedwetters and panic mongerers in Germany, Drosten and Lauterbach, supported its conclusions.
But since then: nothing.
No realization that the numbers are inflared or any hint of interpreting them differently, let alone of a policy
change.
This is what needs to be fed next to the useless meeja hacks. If they start questioning the sensitivity, then the government could be forced into creating a specification for the test. Then they hit a dead end of either specifying a clearly oversensitive test, or wiping out detected “cases” overnight. I hope this may be where Carl Heneghan takes us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPKkC8nHYjQ
Ken Nordine, You’re getting better.
From Toby’s lead article Mail commenters are overwhelmingly skeptic, not just the best/worst comments but most as they roll in and some are very well informed.
The reproduced bar chart, cases/deaths (or lack thereof), is clearer than those posted yesterday which I was able to show a number of people that the number of cases, that the BBC keep harping on about, has no comparison to nugatory quantity of deaths.
I’ve had rocky relationship with the Mail, getting angry at their clickbait nonsense for years, but there does appear to an emergence of some sort of challenge to the rest of the MSMs narrative at times, and its interesting to see that the majority of commenters are waking up too.
When it becomes widely known that asymptomatic cases cannot infect others with any health-threatening viral load perhaps that will herald an end to this nonsense.
The problem with that is that these infections are still coming from somewhere. Much could be excessive PCR amplification and false positives, but it is still rattling on for far longer than it would do if infections weren’t happening at all.
I don’t see the logic of that. False positives could explain precisely why it was ‘rattling on’. Forever. When amplifying nothing but noise, ‘surges’ and ‘spikes’ could be totally spurious.
But even if some infections are real, no one seems to have asked whether life is worth living unless we accept a small amount of risk.
Surely without symptoms, it’s a stretch to call the infections?
Let’s face it, we all carry candida but most of us don’t have thrush.
Not to mention Strep and Staff – one of the strep can mutate into the old flesh eating bug (remember that misery)
Not such a good exmaple, streptococus is a bacterium. Principle does hold for plenty of mild viruses though, there are many viral families (in humans, other animals…) discovered in labs which are very widely present but symptomless and so never noticed until someone goes looking.
More likely to be fragments of previous coronavirus infections.
So what,hardly anyone is dying.They are not sick.People are finally mixing after forced isolation.
This is what herd immunity looks like.
I hope, that despite the best efforts of the locdown zealots, we have reached the herd immunity threshold, there are plausible suggestions it could be as low as 20%. Even if we aren’t at it, the closer we get to it the more contained any viral spread will naturally be. if we’d all followed Sweden we could have had this month earlier and with much less suffering along the way.
Real life viruses generally don’t disappear. They aren’t computer viruses that are wiped out. The way humans deal with real life viruses is that the body learns to cope with it. There are literally trillions of viruses in our bodies.
If they tested for the influenza virus or the common cold virus with the same zeal as they do this new coronavirus, positive test results would be showing up everywhere.
It’s a good point that we’ve been become too accustomed to the ‘computer’ meaning of the word, and the real meaning is lost.
There is a similarity that is NOT recognised. A virus has no agency or ability to DO anything and must be ‘received’ and must fing the conditions to ‘run’ – including the conditions to ‘replicate’ or ‘mutate’ a variant replication. YOU are the operating system on which it runs.
Vaccination allows the introduction of ‘potential hacks’ or the presence of foreign antibodies or immune suppressing conditions that show up in the process of a normal respiratory disease episode.
If you have a better ‘real meaning’ for bits of RNA code in a protein wrapper that encapsulates and fits to receptor cells, then Make sure it isn’t just a grim fairy story before presuming it to be true.
The term virus is equated with pathogenic causation and assigned roles that are actually in living cells interacting with such ‘information’ packets.
Biologists are not limited to pathological witch-hunts and gold rushes and so have studied a symbiotic cellular intra and extra-cellular functions that are inherent to life function. Extracellular ‘viruses’ are called exosomes and are indistinguishable from presumed ‘pathogenic’ cellular debris or code-entities – that can be seen under the conditions of electron microscopy – that may well introduce artefacts as a result of its process.
No claim of causation was made by the study that ‘discovered’ a novel virus. This was explicitly stated. Firemen are also often found at the scene of fires. Eradicating firemen is not the answer to fires (or defunding the police).
But insofar as we have recognised various viruses that are associated with infection in ‘susceptible’ terrains, Stewart is spot on in saying we could be searching for and finding a range or viruses that are normally found in healthy people in some – oten time quantity – but nonetheless picked up by RT-PCR testing if you set the testing rameters to bring the results that are ‘consensually’ deemed to mean something significant.
Likewise funding to research climate need not be confined to the carbon dioxide as global warming hypothesis, But there is an underlying control agenda that sets the narrative and thus the frame of thought, funding and reaction. It is more than ‘political’ bias – but uses political identities to mask in. I see an existential fear in the ‘ruling establishment’ that uses immense resources to predict or control outcomes well in advance, and actions them in disciplined ways. But do they SEE us?
The abilty to define the code, and the testing and diagnostic parameters as well as regulate treatments as required standard of care, is all opaque and in this case apparently patented and protected. A computer software company can indeed ensure that all sorts of ‘back doors’ are open by design to ‘viruses’ or hidden code execution as part of its back end – while fronting itself as the road or tool to every kind of extended ability.
Inducing us to open new ‘powers’ that then entangle us in ways we are not adapted or in a position to counteract – because they own the systems we depend on and run them as a process of market capture (mindshare) and control rather than as a relational service.
If we do not want to be treated as lab rats we have to uncover what it is to be truly human. For the most part we are predictable, controllable conditioned-responses, being systemed by the reverse engineering or our own psychology. Polarised identities operate from a set of rules and conditions or programs.
And what’s behind the use of ‘bedwetting’ for an active agenda aimed at undermining civilisation as we knew it, operating through the mind-captured? Is that not also masking in virtue as a put-down of weakness seen in others? If they are weak – why not extend strength of solidarity in knowing the choices we are making, so as to be more able to make better ones?
When the Tower of Babel fell, no one could understand each other. Shaming and intimidating will not help. There may be no possibility of reaching another with information associated with deep fear and masking defence, but that doesn’t mean we cannot find some human commonality.
The willingness to extend love is the only means to hold the awareness of love in our consciousness. Masking in the forms of love is a sure way to generate a hollow sense of lack that is then open or susceptible to every kind of ‘hijacking’ thought, because what we react from, is accepted true and made real BY REACTION.
Reaching someone IN reaction is difficult as they are fully engaged in emotionally invested drama that de-prioritises all else as irrelevant or obstructive to their sense of survival.
Crying wolf is a metaphor for how a community defence can be activated on a false basis. These people have done this more than three times and its still ‘works’ because each time they bring in more regulatory capture, more conditioning to the drills of lockstep, more conditioned acceptance of doublespeak and media obfuscations. (Less critical awareness).
I installed linux as a freedom respecting laternative to Windows on my PC when windows was too happy to get viruses and open itself up to control by sinister forces (remember microsoft’s GWX.exe virus?). Now how can I reinstall a freedom respecting alternative to government in my country?
It’s also a feature of Nature. Our bodies could completely destroy it but it’s inefficient. Better to keep a residual amount around as it exercises the immune system for free. Same with the bugs in your gut. We outsource a large part of the digestion process
There will be no end to it until a LOT of people speak out.
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=10221505113230817&set=g.190135865737618
There will be no end to it all, until Johnson and Hancock are charged with the murder of thousands of our fellow citizens. There also needs to be an international arrest warrant put out for Bill Gates.
Put a similar comment on John Redwoods Diary yesterday (in reply to Jeff’s comment – O/T and not fishing): – In business, many politicians, advisers, and media bosses would be on trial for gross negligence or Corporate Manslaughter. Johnson and Handcock should be on trial at the Hague for crimes against humanity.
Of course, it did not pass moderation, but at least Sir John gets to know what we really think.
Does he? I think it is categorised as ‘the usual nutters’ or ‘shouters’ or some such.
If you investigate the way of all this you will see that legal advice is part of all of it with regards to plausible deniability.
There is a closed ranks of insiders as to recognising the law cannot be allowed to open a can of worms that would open so many other cans of worms as to undermine what is left of a system. That might account for why shifting to another system is underway – but designed so as to lock us our from the outset.
Interpol?
Life sentances for the proponents and supporters of lockdown, absolutely justified, I think they’d even enjoy it. But the Bill Gates matter, the only thing I can think he should be arrested for is the poor quaility of his windows OS and his GWX.exe malware (see my prior post)(and that might have been afetr he gave control of the M$ corporation to others by then anyway).
It mutates to stay one step (or more) in front of the pack. IE: it doesn’t have to be a ‘viral’ threat, any funded and protected ‘threat’ can maintain the posture of alert and the coopting of civil defences to regulatory constraints.
Fear-threat can be flagged to ‘whatever’ but underneath involves more pervasive fear – such a fear of death, fear of rejection and exclusion, fear of imprisonment and denial or deprivation, fear of pain and fear of insanity. Also the ‘fear of the unknown’ – so called – can trump all of these – such that any of the others can become a form of escape to a lesser evil.
Whatever is Really Going On is bring fear closer to the surface of our conscious awareness. Whatever our rational views on statistics and risks – we meet the cognitive dissonance of many we know and love and it disturbs us – does it not?
It might be too late by then.
I think we could end up with [b]variolation[/b] coming back if we can’t get an actual vaccine. In variolation one is immunised by being exposed to doses of the live virus small enough to result only in very mild infection, but one gets immunity nonetheless. That was very hard to achieve for smallpox, often the variolation dose for that serious virus was overdone and major harm resulted, so vaccination turned out to be much easier and safer for dealing with smallpox, but if the initial viral load explanations for why some people get milder or worse cases keep going the way they look to be going then it seems that for covid variolation could be a comparatiely VERY easy and safe process (are ready sooner than a vaccine). I’m not sure whether we really need to eradicate covid, it was a pretty mild disease really and seems to be naturally on its way out, but kicking the ass of that pesky bit of encapsulated RNA could be mildly satisfying (not so fun as eradicating totalitarianism though). I don’t think one can vaccinate or variolate against cases of Kim-Jong-Dan-ism, but perhaps the locals can organise, and via less snoopable channels than facebook.
The picture of that school assembly and description of the tyrannical new regime is just beyond sad.
Child abuse.
Absolutely. If these were my children, I would be battering down the headteacher’s door.
Why would you even send your child into it? I don’t understand you people.
What is happening in these schools is so wrong. Why nobody is standing up to this madness is incredible. Mass non compliance is what is needed. Massive protest. How can any parent or teacher or “learner” think this is a good idea to have these totally insane anti-human policies in place.
However it says a lot about WHY we are here in this disaster now. Schools have been getting more and more authoritarian for a long time, over-reaching their remit on how they can exert their control on pupils and their families and what they seek to control. Extending their control out of school and into the family and the wider “community”.
Through schools the state is seeking to have total control over everybody who has children too. The “named person” is a classic example of this over-reach.
Sadly due to the way society has been shaped over the last 20 years it would seem people have been so cowed, de-moralised, so down trodden and dis-empowered, so divided and psychologically positioned that they will just blindly accept these dreadful impositions on their liberty with no push back at all.
Where this has lead us is here, now. Total acquiescence to authority.
It’s been a work in progress for the state and they have really excelled them selves. Even North Korea looks like a nice free society now.
The brainwashed lobotomised UK population is just fine with that.
They’ll be fine with it all the way to the slaughterhouses, which will be euphemistically labelled vaccination clinics.
The sausage grinding scene in ‘The Wall’ immediately springs to mind.
You know what I’m doing? I’ve got a secondary school at the end of my road. I’m putting stickers on the way to try and get them thinking. Not much but we weren’t many at the beginning of this, and look at us now
I’m the parent from Merseyside. I agree that the schools have been over reaching and becoming more authoritarian for years. Lockdown has been eye opening as I’ve got to see what they’ve been “learning”. Last year they had to write an essay in history about why Prof Nial Ferguson is an apologist for white supremacy.
Not to be confused with Niel Ferguson supposed epidemic guru but really fraudster.
That’s a lot worse than making them wear masks. Seriously – how long will it take for them to unlearn that sort of indoctrination? And how many will?
You’re pushing it a bit with your North Korean comparison. (Get a grip – and take a look at a book called Escape from Camp 14.)
I got stuck in a traffic jam in central Lewes today, a small town in East Sussex. A line of young school kids walked past me. They only looked like 10 year olds at the most. Obviously on some kind of school trip walking along the pavement, a teacher in the lead. Every single one in a mask, heads down marching along. I wanted to wind down my window and shout at the teacher “child abuse” but didn’t. Didn’t want to scare the poor kids. And this is outside on a pavement.
They only start to go back around here tomorrow (Friday) so I expect to see similar scenes then. I’ve shown that Assembly pic from Toby’s piece to parents and non parents, the horrified reaction is the same.
It is downright scary that this is happening in the UK today.
Today when I was out walking I passed a throng of young students (mid-teens I would guess) – all wearing masks. (This wasn’t the UK, BTW.)
On a lighter note, Wednesday ITV, Phillip Schofield & Holly Willoughby demonstrated how to smooch in the New Normal way.
From either side of a polythene blanket with handy ‘arms’ of the sort used to handle uranium.
h/t youtuber Carl Vernon
not to be confused with Vernon Coleman.
Perhaps someone more skilled than I could post the link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6GGIbqoQRE
Thank you 2 pence
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/geekmode off
Thanks but I’m Android only.
high light the link – ctrl C to copy – ctrl V to paste
It’s not a lighter note. I could only watch two seconds of those masked fools, before I switched off, sick to my stomach. Those two are collaborators.
Nothing is forgotten. Nothing.
I thought they might have been mocking the whole foolish charade, somewhat like time I got my unnecessary line manager to present a report to the Board stating that 32% of our customers were ‘adequately facilitated’.
I hope so. I literally couldn’t watch past those masks in the opening scene. I think I’m developing a phobia of masks (which I’ve just learned is called, boringly, Maskaphobia).
I know I am.
I have developed Muzzleitis from constantly having to look away from the face-less hordes…pains in my neck and tension headaches
The only thing those clowns were mocking is us the general public , they are to stupid and full of their own self importance to realise they have become an irrelevance
I don’t watch TV ever and came across that vid because I sub Carl Vernon.
The whole thing looked so absurd that I assumed they were being ironic but it seems from comments from you and others that this is their usual form.
I stand corrected.
For a brief moment there I thought you were accusing Vernon Coleman and Carl Vernon of being collaborators!
Never forget.
This “episode” of GMB with Freeky Phil and that other decorative idiot really does highlight how main stream media is absolute POISON. It goes without saying that I haven’t watched rubbish like this for the last 20 years.
It’s beyond me why people watch this crap.
However sadly many people lap it up. WHY?
Lowest common denominator fodder.
“Bad taste is popular” (Pevsner)
Bill Gates sais that he talks with Dr Fauci all the time. Hmm?
Sex in the new “abnormal.” Sounds like great fun, eh?
Canada’s top doctor shares guidance on sexual interactions during the pandemic
In a statement released on Wednesday, Dr. Theresa Tam, Canada’s chief public health officer, admitted that “sex can be complicated in the time of COVID-19,” particularly when ones sexual partner is not in the same household.
“If you choose to engage in an in-person sexual encounter with someone outside of your household or close contacts bubble, there are some steps you can take to reduce your risk,” the statement reads. “The most important step is to establish a trusting relationship with your sexual partner.”
Dr. Tam outlined a number of rules to follow, which include monitoring yourself for symptoms before engaging in sexual activity, “skipping kissing” and avoiding closeness, and the considering wearing a mask that covers the nose and mouth.
Sorry girls, no cunnilingus anymore. kissing and foreplay gone. At least if you are in different households you can get your own rocks off.
What planet are these people on?
“Current evidence indicates there is a very low likelihood of contracting the novel coronavirus through semen or vaginal fluids,” Dr. Tam said in the statement.
I’ll take that to mean oral sex is still OK! If I didn’t laugh, I’d cry. When is this shit going to end???
No, semen and vaginal fluids are OK but not kissing or anything else in the new normal.
You need to watch the Handmaids Tale to understand.
Yes, let’s laugh. Surely NOBODY can be taking this kind of thing seriously. Let’s laugh until our solar plexuses hurt and we fall over helplessly and lie prone on the carpet drumming our feet and weeping with mirth.
Let’s all do it outside Downing Street …..
The most disturbing thing is that it seems the only cazy demsonstration outside Donwing Street ever to get listened to was when in March a bunch of moron showed up in mock HazMat suits with demands of “shut down the country”, a few days later the idiot in chief actually did it.
She is a piece of work no doubt. I’ll surely continue to seek out government advice on all my other human needs and bodily functions. I wonder, are there gov’t guidelines for dropping a deuce safely in Canada?
You do know that the toilet water “plume” is dangerous, right? This is why public washrooms are such a public health hazard and every other public toilet is blocked off. So yes, there are government guidelines for everything now.
It’s fine to drop a “Douglass Hurd” as long as you wear a mask and gloves, obviously.
I gather that skintight lycra all-body suits are popular in certain circles.
While we are on the subject
“To offer close contact services such as facials…”
would not have been considered polite conversation at my parents dining table.
I can’t helps seeing a pattern.
Countries and regions which have strong Chinese ties and influence seem to be more extreme in their corona response.
Most east Asian countries are implementing very hard zero case policies. And the “Anglosphere” areas that seem most committed to this – Australia, Canada, California are all areas with very very strong Chinese links.
Just an observation.
How much money does Black Lives Matter have? It looks like a lot.
On the American side it’s tens of millions at least. (See Accuracy in Media’s Roots of Black Lives Matters, 2016 I think.)
China has had twitter bots making up comments in supprot of lockdownist leaders, they’ve been especially vocal in standing with Kim Jong Dan (one wonders if Chinese bots might be his ONLY supporters). it is plausible that they saw a mild virus crossing to humans in Wuhan and thought, “right, we’ll have a heavily reported panic about this in the city where it starts, scare the west and get them to destroy their economoies in the process”. Note that throughout the rest of China the spread has, to my knowledge, been largely downplayed and ignored, China couldn’t take the economic cost of staging the panic response anyweher except one province (and didn’t need any wider a stage to get the west falling in to the trap).
This advice isn’t going to affect the birth rate at all is it.
(Which is already at a level where there aren’t enough people having children to replace those that are dying in almost ALL Western Countries).
Genetic selection – the intelligent ones are so busy paying off student loans, establishing careers and trying to put a decent roof over their heads, that they leave procreation till last.
They often work long hours, have long commutes and are pretty tired by the end of the day …..
There is definitely something non-human about chief public health officers!
The problem with fast-tracking vaccines
It can have disastrous effects – even if the jabs work PART 2
The decision made its way through various levels of government bureaucracy and ultimately landed on the desk of President Gerald Ford. He was soon persuaded by those who favoured an immediate effort to vaccinate every man, woman and child. Flanked by the discoverers of the polio vaccine, Ford recalled the 1918 pandemic. ‘Some older Americans today will remember that 548,000 people died in this country during that tragic period,’ he said. ‘Let me state clearly at this time: no one knows exactly how serious this threat could be. Nevertheless, we cannot afford to take a chance with the health of our nation.’
The public health experts who had advised a more cautious approach did not do so for want of an effective vaccine. They did so because of the backlash that might occur when millions of people received it. Dr Hans Neumann from the New Haven Department of Health noted that, based on the projected scale of the immunisations, about 2,300 people would have a stroke within two days of getting a flu shot and 7,000 would have a heart attack. ‘Why?’ he asked. ‘Because that is the number statistically expected, flu shots or no flu shots.’ Likewise, in the week following, about 9,000 people would catch pneumonia and 900 would die — not as a consequence of the vaccine, but because those are the normal numbers every week. But the public would blame the vaccine.
It wasn’t long before Neumann’s fears were realised. Three elderly nursing home patients who received their vaccine died on the same day. There was a media frenzy, with one paper claiming the vaccine had been used as a weapon to kill the head of a crime family.
Ford tried to reassure the public by getting his flu shot on television. It made no difference. A rare neurological disease was then mistakenly linked to the vaccine, and the CDC had had enough. In December it halted the vaccination programme. Recriminations followed. The New York Times called it a ‘sorry debacle’. The head of the CDC was forced to resign. And this being America, lawsuits followed. Within four years 3,900 claims had been filed, seeking more than $3.5 billion in compensation.
Inoculating millions of people with a hastily developed Covid vaccine carries the same likelihood of public misunderstanding, even if — and this is the really sad part — the vaccine works and is safe. The 1976 fiasco shows the concerns people can have about a new vaccine. In a global pandemic, as countries compete to be the first to beat the virus, a misstep in the vaccine process could set back public trust and return us to what happened with swine flu in the 1970s.
‘Warp speed ahead!’ was a command from Captain Kirk on the bridge of the Enterprise. His engineer, the indomitable Scotty, would often warn him that the engines just couldnae take it. In our time of crisis and opportunity, we need both a vision to boldly go and a steady voice reminding us that sometimes slower is better.
WRITTEN BY
Jeremy Brown
Jeremy Brown
The problem with fast-tracking vaccines PART 1
It can have disastrous effects – even if the jabs work
From magazine issue: 5 September 2020
Y ou have to admit it, Operation Warp Speed is a good moniker. It’s the name for the American interagency programme, initiated by the Trump administration, to produce 300 million doses of a safe vaccine for Covid-19 by January. Who couldn’t get behind this all-hands national effort to defeat the virus and end the pandemic, excitingly named after the faster-than-light space travel in Star Trek? While we wait for clinical trials led by the University of Oxford and AstraZeneca in the UK, America warps ahead.
Warp speed allows the Starship Enterprise to put aside the laws of physics. Vaccine development also has its own laws, or rather guides, that describe the way things usually happen. There are the four to six years of academic and lab research, followed by perhaps another three to five of human trials. These culminate in a Phase Three trial when the candidate vaccine is tested on thousands of people. Add several more years to gain approval from regulatory authorities and to build manufacturing plants, and you have a process that can easily last well over a decade. It took 14 years to create a vaccine for influenza; 20 years for polio. And then there is this: more than 90 per cent of vaccines fail to make it through all these stages.
So in the race for a Covid vaccine, wouldn’t a little warp speed be helpful? Regulatory authorities like the US Food and Drug Administration could streamline their processes without compromising on safety. Factories could be built before the final results are known, in the hope that at least one candidate vaccine will be successful and can then be immediately manufactured. There may already be some natural speeding up because of the vast number of scientists working on a vaccine across the globe, as well as genetic slicing-and-dicing techniques unimaginable a few decades ago.
Vaccines not only need to be safe. They also need to be shown to be safe
But some steps in the procedure cannot be warped. We will need to complete early studies with dozens or hundreds of volunteers, and then proceed to larger trials involving thousands. We will need time to monitor for unexpected side effects that may show up months or years after vaccination — and it is neither possible nor advisable to rush this. Vaccines not only need to be safe. They also need to be shown to be safe.
It is worth remembering the dangers of another fast mass vaccination programme in a time of pandemic panic. In February 1976, an army recruit at Fort Dix, New Jersey died just a few hours after developing the symptoms of a flu-like illness. It took two weeks for the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) to identify the culprit: a strain of pig influenza. Just as in the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic, the virus had leapt from one species to another, swapping its genome and developing into a new strain. And, again like the 1918 influenza virus, it was an H1N1 type. An old enemy with new weapons.
Yet the recruit at Fort Dix had been nowhere near any swine, which meant the country was facing a novel virus with the ability to be transmitted from person to person. It was a pandemic champing at the bit. Some government advisers suggested ramping up a massive programme using a flu vaccine that had already been developed. Edwin Kilbourne, a virologist at the Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York, wanted it to begin immediately. ‘Better a vaccine without an epidemic,’ he wrote, ‘than an epidemic without a vaccine.’ Others advised caution. There had been only one death, vaccination programmes are costly, and the public’s reaction was uncertain.
Very interesting article but with the press putting a halt to the vaccine programme rather than hysterically demanding it.
At least one stage of the testing can be speeded up as hoards of mask zealots demand to be given the thing.
The rushed swine flu vaccine of 2009/10 was found to be dangerous and quietly it had to be totally withdrawn. The difference between now and 1976 is that Bill Gates, eugenicist and advocate of global depopulation, wasn’t running the show. A vaccine from Bill, no thank you.
I have been watching some footage from Australia. It’s Nazi Germany revisited. A policeman strangling a woman resisting arrest then throwing her down on the pavement. That’s terrorism, sanctioned by the government. What the fuck is going on?
‘It’s fear-mongering’: Pregnant woman arrested over anti-lockdown FB post speaks out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKSLeIhYmUU
“I’m too scared to protest now”
Why is it only one state in Oz – Victoria? What is the attitude of the other states? What is the difference politically between Victoria and the other states? I didn’t realise each state was semi-autonomous, like the US states.
Out of interest, can anyone here give a summary on the political situation in Australia, before and during this ‘crisis’?
Each of the states has to some extent gone its own way. Western Australia has closed its border to all other parts of the country. Victorians cannot currently travel to other parts of Australia. The other states all have varying travel restrictions and quarantines vis a vis other parts of the country.
Victoria is where nearly all the virus action is. New South Wales has a slow trickle of cases – about 20 new cases a day – and after an initial lockdown is now trying to avoid more lockdowns by doing contact tracing, closing specific venues and schools when cases are found etc as well as continuing restrictions on gathering sizes and household isolation of cases. NSW have seen the economic damage in Victoria (as well as their own state) and are trying to keep normal life going. The rest of Australia hasn’t had many cases at all and presumably will have to go through a surge at some point. Hopefully the rest of the states will avoid the appalling drastic actions taken by Victoria.
The Federal government is trying to get the states to remove their internal travel restrictions. It is reducing the generous benefit and wage subsidies at the end of the month because of the astronomical cost. There are no immediate plans to open international borders, but we can’t stay closed forever. Qantas doesn’t plan resuming international flights until at least mid-2021.
Cheers Sally.
What is it about Victoria (politically, socially, or whatever) that makes its reaction so radically different from New South Wales, do you think?
Glad that New South Wales is reacting a bit more sensibly (I’ve got distant relatives there).
Victoria has a Labor (left) government, NSW Liberal (conservative, or nominally so). But I think the main reason is just timing. Both Victoria and NSW initially had lockdowns; Victoria’s was slightly stricter, but not much. Victoria just happened to have a fresh surge of cases first and they reacted with a second, tougher lockdown. Had that surge occurred in NSW and not Victoria NSW could well have done what Victoria is now doing. But as things turned out, NSW and other parts of Australia are witnessing the economic problems resulting from Victoria’s response and hopefully the other states will follow NSW’s more moderate approach when cases resume (which must be inevitable).
Maybe there’s a personality factor, too. The Victorian state Premier is an arrogant and probably corrupt man who clearly enjoys wielding power. The NSW Premier seems to be a more moderate person, although I don’t know a great deal about her.
“The Victorian state Premier is an arrogant and probably corrupt man”
He’s likely a friend of Bill Gates.
For the first time in a long, long time Channel 7 news tonight didn’t headline with Coronavirus numbers or stories. Even the rhetoric from the NSW premier sounded more positive. She had a polite conversation with the QLD premier today about opening the border. Anastacia won’t budge though, her health adviser stating until NSW has ‘zero cases over a 28 day period’ opening the border won’t be considered.
They are inducing fear and seeing how far they can go.
It feels as though each country is it’s own study into human lockdown oppression behaviours.
Genuine question, why isn’t the UK seeing identical treatment as Victoria/Austraila?
Different things are being tried in different countries. Those things that work best will become universal. We are, almost needless to say, in very deep trouble. We are now entering a time of rapid depopulation and vaccines will the main tools that will bring this about.
They are all using the same stencil, just for some it slipped a bit.
Any evil conspirator who is taking over the world does NOT have giving out a vaccine as his end game. Vaccines work mostly, sometimes don’t and very ocasionally cause some side-effects. They are not some magic super-weapon against humanity. Anyone with an evil conspiracy in the works is going to be a lot more inetrested in contact tracing, lockdowns and cashless payments. Such a conspirator need only get rid of cash and then fiddle with accounts so as to starve a large proportion of the population to achieve depopulation. I have no fear of any vaccine that gets produced for covid, it might even work, if one is ever produced. What I worry about is what sort of administrative effort might use the vaccine as a cover “we need to know who you are and where you are at all times because we wouldn’t want to waste any vaccine by giving it to you twice”/ “we are vaccinating town by town, so we can be sure it has been given to everyone no-one may travel until your town has had it, your town is in the queue for a V day 3 decades hence”.
It appears that the Australian media backs Black Lives Matter and all that other bullshit. Who is funding these media outlets? It has to be people with deep pockets because this is happening all over the world simultaneously. George Soros?
Liberal funders such as George Soros, Rob McKay, and other Democracy Alliance donors have given millions of dollars to groups associated with the movement, which have in total raked in over $133 million.[14]
Source:
https://www.influencewatch.org/movement/black-lives-matter/
33… $133
Thanks, Mr. Dee.
Interestingly in Melbourne before Dan the Man imposed the state of emergency imprisonment of citizens, a black lives matter protest went ahead. Organisers were fined but no demonstrators were arrested or fined. Pregnant women who post on facebook anti lockdown gatherings must pose more of a dangerous threat. How people are not rioting outside parliament over this hypocrisy blows my mind.
393 reported Covid deaths in Europe yesterday
Population: 741.4 million
SOURCE worldometers
Piers Corbyn, the elder brother of Jeremy Corbyn, the former leader of the Labour party, was given a penalty without trial of £10,000 for his part in organising a rally in Trafalgar Square calling for the repeal of the Coronavirus Act, passed in March, which gave the government sweeping powers.
The £10,000 penalty was imposed under a statutory instrument, not passed by parliament, but brought into force on 28 August by the Health Secretary. Two organisers of a rave in West Glamorgan, attended by about 3,000 people, were also given fixed penalty notices for £10,000.
In other words the night before the protest
Source – Spectator
Was the new ‘law’ presented to a grateful nation on twatter?
Has Jeremy said anything publicly about all this?
Piers and the othe london organisors had been in conversation for weeks with the Met Police to organise the meeting. It was organised with full knowledge of the police. Piers has said that the arresting police officers were an entirely different group of police. This is a operational device the police are said to have used in other circumstances.
Build trust by liasing genuine police with the public then switcheroo to a different team to do the dirty.
Reminds me of what the Chinese did at Tienanmen Square – brought in troops from other parts of China who would be less reluctant to fire on Beijing citizens.
Which is how Franco held onto power in Spain for decades, the Guarda Civil were always stationed away from their home region.
The go-ahead was negotiated well before the suspiciously last-minute SI.
Wankock is enjoying these last minute destruction tactics far too much!
Wancock will soon be eating crow, along with some humble pie. Hopefully in a jail cell.
Yep, that’s what Piers Corbyn said on Richie Allen yesterday. The old switcheroo. Basically, they would look all of us to do the dirty to keep their hands clean. Like Pontius Pilate.
Oops, typographical error.
Yep, that’s what Piers Corbyn said on Richie Allen yesterday. The old switcheroo. Basically, they would like (look) all of us to do the dirty to keep their hands clean. Like Pontius Pilate.
The human brain is a wonderful thing Richard, mine read ‘like’ the first time without noticing.
Does anyone have a good place to get testing stats from? I used to get mine from here: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/testing but it has not been updated for a few days. I’ve emailed them about that but no response yet.
Absolutely No Idea! 77th Brigade?
I’ve noticed the same: stops on 26 Aug at 186,500 as shown on the main webpage. Is it a ploy to stop us adding to our spreadsheets (well, mine) and checking the ratio of positives to tests?
Current up to yesterday. The update at 4pm:
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/cases
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/testing
Yesterday:
186,500 tests UK
1,508 positive.
They’re just grasping at straws. They’re straw men for the global elite.
Do you mean the area map? By the time it’s updated, it’s way out of date.
Goes up to the 29th at the moment: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=47574f7a6e454dc6a42c5f6912ed7076
Daily total numbers are here, but only area specific re whole local authority, rather than individual wards: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/cases
Julian, I’ve noticed down the page a bit in
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/testing
regarding tests by Pillar, they’ve added the Scotland and Northern Ireland test numbers from 27 August, but not England and Wales.
I have grown somewhat accustomed to extremely depressing stories posted every day on this website, but I must admit to being particularly strongly affected by the reprehensible and depraved treatments that are being meted out to children in schools and students at universities. It is probably a fair assumption that the UK and USA stories here are far from unique worldwide.
Given the wealth of evidence that exists regarding the virtually non-existent threat of this virus to young people, and that they are not transmitters, the damage that is being done to them is nothing short of a cold, calculated, deliberate act of psychopathy to bludgeon an entire generation into total submission with crude intimidation and terror tactics. They are trying to create the slave class of tomorrow.
The adults who are directly responsible for allowing this to happen – and I include in this parents who wilfully submit their children to these daily punishments without protest – are not worthy of being called human.
A society that treats its youngest generations in this way is literally Satanic. Hell on earth awaits all of us if this is not turned around.
With you there. I am horrified. Why is the country not up in arms about this? It’s despicable
Totally agree. I am resolved more than ever to fight this head on. If anyone gets in my face about not wearing a mask I will give them both barrels, and then some.
We are in desperate trouble here. To support this, or to submit to any of it without protest, is an act of evil, and makes that person themselves evil.
I’ve already barrelled off two emails to my daughter’s drippy headteacher about proposed ‘safety’ arrangements.
I’m going to be Public Enemy No 1 on Monday when I take her to school for her first day…
About to do exactly the same. Mrs TJN and I are expected to wear muzzles when dropping our 4-year-old for her first day at school on Monday. The staff aren’t going to like us after receiving our views on that obscenity.
Makes me feel physically sick, literally.
Just drafted an appalling email to the headmaster – will wait on Mrs TJN’s view before sending.
It is an awful shame that our daughter has to start school under a cloud like this, but we’re not putting up with this shit.
Get it sent.
Mrs TJN has just gone over it and made it even stronger. They are going to hate us, but so what.
My Lord TJN,
Let them hate, so long as they fear.
Unfortunately the coronanists love being in fear, their very pride is in showing that “my fear is stronegr than your fear”, “I’m more chicken about covid than you are”. The coronanists don’t need to be put in any more fear, they can make for themselves more than enough to wallow in. They need to be given an education, brought OUT of fear. In your encounters with zealots always remember that our victory condition is when they stop fearing the virus, not when they shit themselves in public (which I suspect some already do as a virtue signalling ritual). When they hate you, make sure you’ve worded things so they’ll build up a little hate for the fools that caued the lockdown too.
Let us know how it goes. If you get any serious push back, let us know on here. I’m sure the sceptic community will be more than happy to bombard her with emails telling her to back off.
You’re not alone – here’s a mum from Twynham School speaking to Anna Brees
https://youtu.be/VSoItpGcSxI
Here’s some useful advice from the comments:
…. please send the teachers a letter of liability for any adverse health affects caused by mask wearing for enforcing mask wearing on your child. This will be for respiratory problems, anxiety/ distress and facial rashes from using face masks and that they will personally held liable. I have done this for my son going to his primary school this term.
Good.
I shall be thinking of you and praying for your total metaphorical destruction of your daughter’s enemy.
I’ve should that school assembly photo to three people this morning, all were equally horrified.
Perhaps more of this will make the worm turn.
Does anyone know what children’s charities are doing about this? This needs a series of Group Litigation Orders against the local authorities or academies, so that parents can join forces. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_Litigation_Order
Well said.
The science behind masks is as flimsy as my see-through scarf
By
The Red Wall Rebel
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https://conservativewoman.co.uk/the-science-behind-masks-is-as-flimsy-as-my-see-through-scarf/
That was a great article. Thanks for sharing.
My favourite bit (for me, its pertinent to the 90s and early 2000s, when I dressed in full-on top-hat and tails Goth mode):
“I don’t object to wearing ridiculous things in public (as is obvious to anyone who’s seen pictures of me from the 1980s), I just object to wearing them for no reason.”
Most people seem to be happy generating a festering cesspool of pathogens right under their noses.
On the odd occasion I use a fizhog covering I use a very see-through hair scarfe – it’s as much use as anything else.
The psychology, however, is rock solid!
FROM A TWO WEEK LOCKDOWN TO MANDATORY VACCINATION
https://www.bitchute.com/video/e7E0drlaIgZB/
Child mortalityA study of 260 hospitals revealed that just six under-19s had died of Covid-19, all of them with severe pre-existing conditions. What were the leading causes of death in the 1,633 children (aged 28 days to 15 years) who died in 2018?
Congenital abnormalities | 271
Cancer | 253
External causes (accidents, violence) | 170
Diseases of the nervous system | 134
Respiratory disease | 121
Circulatory disorders | 96
Endocrine, nutritional disorders | 92
Infectious and parasitic diseases | 82
Source: ONS
Not “died of Covid 19” It is “died with covid 10”
But otherwise a useful comparison to show context
“The Role of Masks in Pop CultureMany films and TV shows and even Broadway plays exploit the fear of masks. For example, the popular Halloween series focuses on a serial killer hidden behind a mask. The Phantom of the Opera explores the fate of a disfigured musical genius who wears a mask to conceal the horror.
These and other works both demonstrate the effects of maskaphobia and help to create it. After growing up with the images of stalking serial killers and disfigured anti-heroes lurking behind masks, is it any surprise that our brains naturally begin to wonder what is behind any mask that we see?”
https://www.verywellmind.com/maskaphobia-or-fear-of-masks-2671868
In regards to the Fourth Industrial Revolution, are we the, on this site, the New Luddites?
Its an interesting thought.
Were the Luddites awash in a sea of lies and oppression?
They were skilled artisans who saw their autonomy was being taken away, resulting in loss of quality of life for the profit of a few exploitative individuals.
Luddites were originally self-employed in successful family businesses, living in decent housing.
This was replaced by back-to-back slums and slave wages.
Rather like outsourcing our industry to China and being dependent on food banks …..
Well my current favourite process is oxy-fuel cutting…
Probably – after all, the Luddites were right.
Reading the updates about schools has led me to conclude that I’m glad I’m no longer of school age. The rules being implemented are draconian and in the case of universities akin to Dachau or Solzehnitsyn’s Gulag Archipelago.
I feel sorry for children whose mental health will take a battering and who will be paying for this for the rest of their lives and those at university. What should have been their first steps towards independence from the parental home has now been stymied and they’re treated like prisoners especially by the institutions who were supposed to help them take those first steps. I foresee a spike in suicides, drug and alcohol addiction.
We should never forgive nor forget this damage caused to our young. And I won’t blame them if they never forgive and forget their elders for their betrayal.
Yes. Never forget that today’s young adults and children will be the care home managers and carer workers who will be making sure that we are looked after and not left to die in pain and distress in our old age. Or maybe they won’t care because we didn’t care for them when they needed it most.
Exactly. That’s another thing today’s adults should be careful of, today’s students who will be the adults and tax payers of tomorrow can exact their revenge in hundreds of petty ways such as care homes and milking them for all their worth until the pips squeak.
Parents, teachers and those in charge of schools, colleges and universities – you have been warned.
Pre Covid I overheard a conversation between 3 young women embarking on a girlie weekend away. One told her friends
“Beth’s a bit upset but I did (…..) to calm her down. But when I went into Jacks room he just said I was in the way of his X Box, I said goodbye but he just said wotever didn’t even look up”.
This was greeted with uncertain titters
‘Boys will be boys Fran !’
I thought that’s Jack getting his psych back on you Fran for staring at your phone since he was born and not giving him the attention he deserved.
Dread to think where he will dump her when the time comes.
I was saddened to see a dear, wonderful young toddler pick up his mother’s phone and show the back of it to her. It suddenly dawned on me that he was trying to greet her in the way that he has been “greeted” all his little life, that is to say all he has ever known is people photographing him instead of talking to him or cuddling him. He thought that showing your phone to someone was the same as saying “Hello”.
Very sad indeed.
Yes. Be nice to your children because one day they will choose your care home.
There has already been an increase in teenage suicide. Todays Local Live lead story is typical.
“Body found on beach is teenage boy, Police say the death is not suspicious”
Which is how suicides have been reported since March 23rd. They never use the S word but articles are often accompanied by an ad for The Samaritans.
I think it was one of the US states which gave honest statistics, five tiems as many deaths among the young to suicide as death among all to covid. Lockdown is MURDER.
Lady in front of me at the newsagent. She has her Top pulled over her face and explains to the unmasked shop worker.
“My daughter starts high school today but she lost her mask so I lent her mine. . .”
Said shopworker smiled sympathetically
I remember losing mittens a lot as a kid (younger than 11, it has to be said). Presumably kids will have to keep their masks on strings, threaded through their shirts.
Elasticated of course, but there wasn’t a lot of harm done swapping mittens if needs must.
I wonder how many masks will be lost before the end of the week. Hopefully this nonsense will be impossible for schools to police and will rapidly evaporate.
Isn’t it wonderful to see how people adapt …
Those 2 graphs in Will’s opening article would be ideal for placing next to each other on social media with no comment needed. They are easy to immediately read, not bogged down with statistical text that can be offputting to some, and will help the “undecided” who I feel form the majority, see there is no cause for concern, and people like Hancock who they see on the news are being alarmist.
I think it is personally unfair to describe anyone ‘a crank’, using it as a blanket term to discredit anything they say. Cornyn has made valid arguments for leaving the EU, and frankly if last year someone had predicted the stae of affirs now, especially in schools, they would have been denounced as cranks.
I will also challenge the statement that the majority of people at the protest had disgusting views, since when was opposing the march of authoritarianism, ironically the point of this barrister’s argument, disgusting. If he is referring to the supposed flag, I think this may have been a stunt to discredit the rally, and seems to be doing the trick.
Excuse the typos, need to check where the edit button is.
The smear campaign against the protests is as predictable as it is foolhardy.
All those who castigate anyone who questions the mainstream narrative will be finding out very soon that they were gravely mistaken. They will richly deserve hell on earth for the rest of their lives.
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Corbyn did something valuable and forced the issue into a court. It’s called getting into the arena, and I don’t see the people who are now making a living out of reporting from an anti-lockdown position doing anything like it. You will note that Dolan, who is effectively doing something very similar to Corbyn, doesn’t treat him like this Judas goat media does.
The Trafalgar Square Turd
I’m still waiting for the first wave. Don’t know about anyone else but i don’t believe their tests. How anyone can believe the results of these tests when it’s known that they show positive results for fruit and goats is beyond me. I used to think they were incompetent and this whole debacle is just them being as useless but i’ve changed my mind and i believe we are in the final stages of losing a war. The Queen is no longer Sovereign, Parliament is making it’s own laws and we the people are no longer under common law. All these people in Parliament want to check themselves because as it stands they are traitors and deserve a spell in the tower. Smiling tits like Hancock and Al Johnston’s Billy Bunter routine aren’t fooling me.
We all spend each day posting here hoping for a sign that things will get better and we’ll be “allowed” to go back to normal life but they’re not gonna “allow” that. I do believe we will have to take back Parliament by force. I do believe that there will be real blood spilled on the streets of this country. It will be the blood of people like me just looking for a quiet life. It won’t be the vile leftists who protest against things that aren’t so. Wankers like BLM won’t help because they’re fake rebels reeling against their imagination. No it will be your shop worker, you engineer, your pissed off conservative. One of the reasons i despise the leftie on this site, we all know who they are, is because these cunts have been fake rebels all their days and when the time comes to actually put yourself on the line these cowards are bleating on about tories or homos’ or complaining blacks, anything it seems but the real fucking problem. They do this because they are utterly braindead and refuse to accept that we all must live as individuals with very little government. So anyone looking for a way out of this, they’re ain’t one, not without a civil war.
You mention parliament makiñg its own laws, trouble is this is what isn’t happening. Thanks to the coronavirus bill, government , the likes of Hancock et al, are passing diktats without parliamentary scrutiny, and making them laws are far as by definition they can be enforced by the police.
But where are our MPs, sat hiding on zoom, dare not criticise for fear of losing their precious job. I emailed my MP 7 times with no response over the first 4 months of this, had to print off the emails and send them by registered post, with the cut up membership card before I got a response. He then asked me to provide any evidence I had contradicting the efficacy of masks. I actually think he wasn’t aware there was evidence discrediting the mask argument. Which brings me to the point of saturating our MPs with emails etc., demanding their lack of intervention and calling our government to account regarding the growing authoritarianism, in particular removing this coronavirus bill, when it comes up for review in September. Funny enough, whenever I make this last statement in the DT comments, it gets deleted.
We live in a dictatorship. Where are the people in parliament standing up and saying this is illegal? They are all in it together. The deep state is everyfuckignwhere. Boris has assumed the role of King and the Queens in the social justice lefty parties have open up their asses and let Boris shoot his muck into them. Every lefty tool out there now is a supporter of a dictatorship, every wanker who supports masks and lockdowns and the abuse of our children must be stopped. I look forward to it. I hope it will be like some kind of 80’s film and i can be John Rambo
This left-right/tory-labour divide is counter-productive. We need to fight this totalitarian ‘government’ together’.
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=10221505113230817&set=g.190135865737618
Cannot agree more with your statement. (Don’t know what the F***book link said thugh, I don’t touch SuckerBorg’s site with a barge pole).
On the subject of the Queen – not seen or heard from her at all and read rumours that she has been somehow officially ‘usurped’? is this true?
Yes until there is a vaccine the Queen will NOT be seen in public. That was an official statement from The Reptile House
Interesting, where did you read that?
She did knight Sir Tom Whatsit, the one who raised a shedload of money for the NHS…
It was a headline in the DM I think, around April.
The queen won’t accept a vaccine. She has the sense to use homeopathics.
That doesn’t stop Charles or William from making an appearance does it?
What would happen now if she died? socially distanced Royal Funeral?
I wondered if she’d been cancelled.
My MP must be thick as mince as she refutes anything I say. I’ve now started attaching links to my emails but she doesn’t bother responding. My taxes help pay her salary and I’m bloody angry I have no representation in Parliament!
One MP here in N Ireland questioned the false Covid related death certificates but the footage of him doing so have since disappeared and I dont know what happened after that.
Don’t look at tests then. Look at deaths above baseline and ignore coronavirus stats entirely. There’s still a wave. Unless you think they’re inventing deaths?
Eh? Don’t understand what you’re arguing.
Biker said they are still waiting for the first wave, because he doesn’t trust their tests. I’m arguing it’s already happened, and you don’t need to look at coronavirus test results to see it. Just look at deaths above baseline. Pretty simple.
Oh I see – you mean deaths back in the spring. Think I get it now, so upvoted. Thanks.
A spell in the Tower? Stand ’em against a wall, more like. Bags first go with the AK-47.
Personally I don’t support capitol punishment. It’s beyond evil for the state to take a life. A horror show.
If any of you lot here saw a person being put against a wall and shot or hanged it would traumatise you irreparably for the rest of your life unless you were a psychopath.
Then I must be a psychopath because I want these traitors to receive the ultimate penalty for all the misery they have caused.
No, long and slow would be much more appropriate.
Make them live a few years in Greta Thunberg’s Green Paradise. That might cure them.
Life in the Stocks outside Paddington Station, masked.
One should make the punishment fit the crime, hence there is no need for violence. Just let the lockdown zealots spend life locked away “for their own good”. And soon we’ll decide to cut off their zoom calls, “for their own good, someone may express a rude opinion to you over one”, and stop them getting banana bread ingreidents “for their own good, you might cut yourself with the mixing bowl”, and let them do nothing but stare at four empty padded walls and eat a daily ration of tasteless nutrition designed to do nothing but keep them alive “for their own good, you might sufocate on proper food or drink”.
Just to annoy you even more Biker hancock was on the Today Programme earlier telling Nick.
“We’re not quite there with the testing but The Cavalry is on its way the vaccine’s not here yet but soon will be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY58inWev0E
Cavalry charge music.
This American Comedian has so great sketches about lockdown. I think all bedwetters should be forced to watch him to see what the rest of us think!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxznGIj8Ja0
I turned off adblock to watch this and it was worth it. Excellent
Can you remind me how you do that? Ta
click on the hand that shows you adblock and it will off you the chance to pause it
This one is my favourite.
https://youtu.be/6gnwgZli1_Y
JP rocks!
A precomment if I may. At 8.30am this morning Scotland’s dictator will be ‘giving’ an interview to Sky News. The interview is being given to set out the Scottish dictator’s plan for an independence referendum, just 6 years after the once-in-a-generation last one.
My precomment is this. The dictator slimed and squirreled herself out of an inquiry/investigation into Covid19 carehime deaths by rejecting with Hitler-like incredulous distain the notion that her civil servants ought to be pulled from Sars CoV 2 lockdown duties whilst the nation is in what she calls a pandemic.
1 in 20 (5%) of all beds in Scottish carehomes have been associated with Covid 19. Half of Scottish deaths occured in care homes. NHS Scotland cleared patients into care homes without concern they may carry the virus into our most vulnerable groups. Manslaughter at the very least.
So now fish lips is prepared to talk up an independence nonsense, where even half of independence support see that she is nothing more that a blockage to their desired referendum.
According to Murdo Fraser (Cons) and others the SNP Gov are responsible for £62 Billion of unaccounted for UK funding. The Scottish Government have been asked to show evidence of where that central gov money has been spent.
God help Scotland if they vote for independence under SNP rule.
Plenty of remote areas up there for Krankie to build the concentration camps away from prying eyes.
Remember the media talk her up because she’s a woman, we all know the BBC love to help woman, they do this because they need the help. The kind of woman the BBC help are clueless, most of them can’t even cook these days. Obviously i’m not talking of your conservative woman the BBC hate them but all these slappers and thots and lefty socialist weirdo’s who go on about social justice, I’d rather have VD than fuck one of these cunts. Sturgeon has no children, she has no stake in the future. As far as the SNP goes, everyday this lockdown goes on they are further away from their deluded independence. Does she think the kids in school today being forced to wear masks and have their education ruined and their private lives stopped are gonna vote for the people who did this. Though saying that it’s so depressing to see the once very educated Scottish people are now as dumb as the invaders of Birmingham
Swinney signed a Bill to incorporate UN Convention on the Rights of the Child into Scots Law 1 Sept 2020. Ideologically globalist UN now has control in law of Scotland’s children rights. SNP fans may wonder why they don’t know, why signed to an external body. Covid19 is still being used to hide huge shifts.
The U.N. is corrupt and their human rights charter is not worth the paper it’s printed on.
Relatives in Scotland cant wait to see the back of her and her gang, ditto all of their friends, they are well aware of her antics, the MSM however like the talk of a Split, selling ad space is their game and as most are not even in the country they have even less interest in the result of any of our politics
Had my reasons for supporting Scottish independence at the time of the referendum, but as you say it was a once-in-a-generation thing! She has no right to be talking about this now, and you can be damn sure I will oppose this. Helpfully her hand is shown, one trick pony all the way, doesn’t really care about the ‘little people’, just wants her own dictatorship.
R4 News, people in London wanting/required test being directed to Brecon Beacons LOL.
This actually gives me a tiny bit of hope that incompetence will help save the day. At least a few people in London must question the narrative if they have to travel so far for a test .
If the testing centres were there to find outbreaks then they would be spread wide and far. Instead they are chasing hotspots in order to score points for their masters (case numbers). This isn’t incompetence, it is criminal competence. The incompetence will hopefully come if the sheople find out about the reasoning.
Have they been told to go up and down Lord Herefords Knob for extra giggles?
You could always take in Three Cocks while you’re in that part of the world!
Perfect!
Your ‘story’ about Bedales School supposedly closing down for two weeks is not true: my child attends Bedales and the school is fully open. The lack of fact-checking on this point makes me wonder if I can believe anything I read on your website.
Yeah does seem open on their Twitter…if this is the right school.
https://bedwetters.buzzsprout.com/
https://www.bedales.org.uk/parents/dunannie-dunhurst-back-school-guide/health-protocols
https://www.bedales.org.uk/parents/bedales-senior-back-school-guide/health-centre-protocol
Please see the “Stop Press” item above. Turns out some but not all pupils were sent home.
Because sending a group of people who might have caught the virus together off to give it to families who might not have it yet is always a great policy. Just like how one-way systems make people closer for longer.
I didn’t listen to or watch PMQs yesterday. I knew in advance there was little point
Out of 600+ there was not one voice of dissent
Some people are surprised by this. I am not
What we live under many people describe as democracy. I don’t know if it is or if it is not.
I know democracy is a word used to silence people. We are told we live in a democracy and we should be grateful that this has been granted to us; therefore it is wrong to complain
Every five years we get to cast a vote for someone imposed on us by two elites. These people will have spent their lives as yes men and women in their respective organisations
It reality what we get is little different from what people got under the one party states of the old communist block
There is little or no chance that an ‘ordinary’ citizen could be ever be elected to what is described as a parliament. It is also not possible that such a person could do a ‘dido’ and flit unhindered from one position of power to another
In recent months we have not discovered that our freedoms has been taken away from us, we have discovered that we didn’t have any freedom in the first place
We’ve had loads of ordinary citizens elected under the SNP in Scotland and to be fair each and every one of them is as dumb as shit. Dumber that you can imagine. Democracy is an illusion
Here’s a fine example of the calibre of our SNP MPs:
https://order-order.com/2020/05/15/snp-mp-charged-police-street-disturbance/
It ended with Major when they dumped Thatcher because she wouldnt conform, Major was a shoe in, then they got the one they wanted, Blair and ever since we’ve been run by Blairites, Blair still in the shadows, using his ‘Foundation’ to manipulate
Thatcher at the despatch box shouting no no no is one of the most spine chilling things i have every seen. At this point she knew we had been infiltrated and taken over and we were no longer Great Britain. We still live under the tyranny of the people who took over
Yes, I remember that over 3 decades ago now, and still watch it occasionally. I didn’t then fully comprehend what she was getting at, but something woke up in me at that moment – bit like hearing Anarchy for the first time.
Christ, where is a Thatcher prepared today to shout ‘NO, NO, NO’ at this bollocks.
We had freedom all right. Freedom and democracy are not necessarily the same thing. What has changed is that concepts such as “freedom” and “rights” and “civil liberties” are seen as privileges which may be withheld at will, rather than something natural and unalienable.
What has changed is that this country has become much more Statist than it ever was, almost the same as the despotic monarchies of sixteenth and seventeenth century Europe.
As demonstrated in England in 1649 and in France in 1793, even kings are subject to the Law, and even kings can be shortened by a head. Though today the problem is not kings, but governments.
Time for a fresh demonstration of the Law, methinks.
If they can be withdrawn at will then they don’t exist
https://youtu.be/5TGaYOdWNZ4
The picture of the education sector in today’s newsletter is grim.
There have always been nasty teachers in schools. Over the years it’s become socially unacceptable to mistreat children and lots of procedures and processes were put in place. But give them half a chance and….
And what we see in the picture above is as damaging and dangerous as corporal punishment was during the bad old days.
Add in the toxic combination of cliques, bullying and social media, I fear that the children of today will be toast.
I had my fair share of knocks administered by angry teachers back in the day (I just escaped the era of corporal punishment but chalk dusters were chucked at my head on a regular basis). In most cases I probably deserved it for being an annoying little bastard.
This is wholly different. Every natural instinct of youth is being deliberately targeted and suppressed. Punishments and exclusion are being sadistically administered when the child has done nothing wrong. Far more damaging than the old-fashioned “clip round the ear” whenever you got out of line.
Exactly. There’s some legit reason for the “clip round the ear” or a chalk whizzing past one’s ear in the old days but these muzzling, antisocial distancing and “bubbles” is sadistic to the core and the kids have done nothing to deserve it.
I can imagine how despondent I would have become sitting through some doubleBS lesson in a mask. Day dreaming about prospects for my own future. A despondency that may shape my aspirations.
I am so glad to hear any reports where school children are not masked, smiling and happy. Glad to be with their peers. Long may that continue.
I hated school when I was young and am so glad that I’m the age I am now. If I was going to school or university now I would rather find a way to end my life rather than to go through this inferno.
Schools and parents fighting back against this nonsense is a ray of hope. And I pray that it will spread.
One of my colleagues’ children are returning to school next week. Masks aren’t being mandated, fortunately, but he’s convinced that a lot of the other kids are bedwetters so his son is planning to take a mask “just in case” especially since “bullying is a real thing.” If schools start heading toward muzzling because of a handful of bullies then it’s hard to see how we get out of this regardless of what parents think (I gather schools stopped listening to them years ago).
And the sheeple are the masochists. Lovin’ every minute of it.
I’ve known many teachers and often wonder why they chose teaching when they don’t seem to like young people very much.
Two possibilities: one is that they didn’t start out hating children and developed the attitude whilst teaching, the other is that they did start out hating children and saw teaching as a way to work out that hatred – essentially being a paid bully.
You see similarities in other professions (police, traffic wardens etc) where some people join up because they like to boss people around; or, in the army, where a lot of people sign up because they like the idea of playing with guns and killing people (Saul David once referred to the make-up of the British army as 90% psychopaths).
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=10221505113230817&set=g.190135865737618
that posting would get a visit from the police in australia. how long until it happens here
Yes. Speaking truth to power is dangerous.
“If public sector lockdown fanatics will mistreat children by turning their school into ruthless, no-mercy, boot camps, are there any depths to which they won’t stoop?”
Those who can make you can believe absurdities, now WILL make you commit atrocities.
Today’s read is very depressing.
And the situation is very similar on the continent: bedwetters that are going full MILGRAM.
Yes, a particularly powerful and even dark edition of LS today.
But that’s where things are going.
They’re no different to concentration camp and gulag guards. I despair, I really do.
When the day of reckoning arrives, this lot should also be made to pay for the damage they’re inflicting on children.
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/hundreds-torn-over-who-right-18869689
The fact that masks reduce the likelihood of transmitting, rather than getting the virus seems to be totally lost on this bedwetter. I feel for the Headteacher and her kids….
At least the consensus seems to be that they should not be compulsory and the majority agree with the head and dont want their kids to wear one.
Anyone who calls their kids Angelo, Roman and India certainly has an off beat view of life, Also noted that in the photos all are wearing masks in situations where masks are not necessary. Virtue signalling?
on same Echo page “Gang thug spared jail after court told his girlfriend works for NHS” because she would have to give up work to look after children, So NHS is not relevant. So why is it in the headline? All hail to the NHS religion?
Speaking to the ECHO, Suzanne said: “My daughter is disabled and extremely vulnerable and so am I.
Fair enough
“There’s no point protecting my daughter if my boys aren’t afforded the same protection.
Doh!
What continues to amaze me is the rigidity of thought of the lockdown guardians. There’s no sense of proportion or context, no enquiry or self-doubt. There’s just a kind of moral absolutism. You would think the statistics would give rise to some debate, yet there is none, not even an impression of having considered the alternatives.
I don’t think it is a conspiracy. I think it happens to fit exactly with how they think: absolute moral certainties, free money, and unrestrained power. What could possibly go wrong?
They’re terrified of the inevitable backlash. Even the opposition parties must realise they are every bit as complicit as the government in what’s gone on. They should be terrified. Better the government fears the people than the people fear the government.
Right now, the people are fearful. But fear turns to hate in the blink of an eye.
That blink is coming.
They intend to make their final move, needle first, before the majority understands what is going on.
At every opportunity when speaking to colleagues in meetings since March, I have rubbished the panic and backed it up with data, subtly when needed. You could see that there was some kind of barrier in their minds that didn’t allow them to fully accept it, but they did indicate underlying scepticism. As the situation has got worse and the lies have become more transparent, rather than becoming more sceptical they have gone the other way and have totally submitted to the propaganda. Now the standard response to any solid challenge is that it Coronabollocks risk seems low but they would rather take the cautious approach so that they didn’t have to isolate from relatives. What the hell? You would rather give up your freedoms and accept totalitarianism for something you suspect may be a lie, so you don’t get told you can’t see your mother for 2 weeks? Weak and pathetic. And these are intelligent people – just lacking in moral strength. Again we see that a standard mental contortion is that they are taking this stance to protect others, but now it has shifted from protecting them from the virus to protecting them from being isolated. There is a pandemic but it is not a virus, it is a corruption of the mind.
Edit: sorry I slightly misplaced this comment, in hindsight realising you were talking about the chiefs and not the Indians.
Well that was probably the most depressing daily update I’ve read. I’m terrified of asking later what my daughter’s first day back at school was like. Please can someone get us out of this hell?
We will all have to work together to get us out of this hell. It is up to us, don’t wait for others.
Protest Edinburgh (Holyrood) 5th Sep (this Sat).
Protest London (Trafalgar Square) 26th Sep (three weeks Sat)
Will the organiser of those protests get a £10,000 fine?
The main London one is September 19th
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=10221505113230817&set=g.190135865737618
There is another rally planned for September 26, just before the vote on whether to extend the lockdown further.
Yes it was, but it’s also galvanised me.
We’ll get ourselves out of this hell. Don’t worry.
Couldn’t sleep last night – mainly worrying about my daughter’s start at school. She’s Covid proof (as in thinks it’s all bullshit) but I’m worried what they’ll teach her. Sanitisers on desks FFS (I’ve already started to wage war against that). I’m worried what’s in the small cardboard boxes pictured next to the sanitisers in the ‘new abnormal’ class photo they sent me. It looks medical…
Good luck to your daughter today.
“Hateful to me as the gates of Hades is that man who hides one thing in his heart and speaks another.”
Achilles, The Iliad
Small cardboard box = spare mask?
What the hell can we do? If we organise a rally it’ll cost us £10k and they do nothing anyway.
What we need to do is start spreading the news of this farce online and to friends on social media. For a while they’ll complain but after a few weeks of battering with actual stats their minds will change.
I think rallies are important as they remind the government of the opposition to their mandates – particularly if we are to believe that their policies are influenced and energised by the result of biased polls. I actually thing the government is incredibly weak, and if enough opposition was seen on the streets they would start to backtrack. I don’t think Johnson could bare to see how despised he is.
And it does attract some media attention, no matter how much they try to ignore it.
Easy. Everyone involved in the rally chips in. One person per rally takes ones for the team to be the ‘organiser’ (and I’ll be happy to volunteer if it comes to that). Just regard it as a ‘protest tax’, forced upon us by the tyrants.
So only one person out of the thousands attending takes the rap, and everybody is only out of pocket by a small amount (a rally of only a thousand people will costs everyone a tenner).
And see how quickly the crowd funded Corbyn’s ‘protest tax’.
I think protests are effective. Very effective. Remember the poll tax protests? And the Road Protests of the 90s changed road-building policy.
They have to be peaceful though. Violence is the authoritarian’s answer to everything and they win at that game all the time. However, they cannot cope with passive resistance (not in the long term anyway).
The road protectors of the 90’s cost the government millions and millions and millions, just a hand full of crusties. They managed to co-opt large numbers of local people who were NIMBY’s and that helped them a lot.
However those protests were like Stincktion Bellion, supported by the deep state, even back then. They had a lot of support from The Guardian, for example, Monbiot was a busy journo back then.. The main organisers were Cambridge Academics…A bit like now really. But I guess these *literally* tweed wearing young boffins grew up and got proper jobs.
That said, it really was interesting to see how a few determined people managed to organise a huge resistance.
They hit a very easy target, half a dozen fuel depots supplying the whole country. There are now many more depots widely dispersed.
I’ve been doing just that face to face on the street for weeks. It isn’t hard, the graphics and info from LS are invaluable.
I’ve shown the Gulag pic to a dozen people today (one of them might be reading this now) and two new words cropped up in their responses.
“Thank You “.
I don’t normally go anywhere near my facebook timeline, just use a couple of excellent forums.
However, I now make a point of posting at least one anti-lockdown picture or link every day.
A couple of people always share them to their friends and the number of positive commenters is growing.
Drip, drip, drip.
An email to Twynham School:
Your decision to enforce masks is insane, and illegal.
Imagine a hose. What happens when you reduce the size of the apertures in a hose? As we know, it turns to a fine mist, and the dispersed finer droplets of water travel further on the wind.
What if the same happens here? If that is the case, enforcing masks is not only Draconian and stupid (considering deaths per week are lower than last year and have been for two months), but also incredibly reckless and risky.
Why are you breaking the law and putting students at risk?
Hope you get a coherent answer
I am sickened by what this school are doing too, Tee Ell. However, they are not breaking the law (if only). The government saying that they do not recommend face coverings in classrooms but ultimately leaving decisions to head teachers gives them the freedom to do as they please. Immoral, but far from illegal.
Just the same as they did in shops.
Out of interest, what will/can the school do if parents keep their kids at home? Report them to the local authority? What if the parents then say their child is exempt and that they are homeschooling?
Most schools are saying that keeping them at home for an extended period requires a valid reason. Non valid reasons I have read about are:
– You are against their new rules
– You are worried about the lack of rules and the school is a death trap
In both cases either you are fined per day/month or else you need to send a letter to state you no longer need the place and teby are removed indefinitely.
I’ve seen parents talking on social media from both sides having done it. It’s a mess
If you say your child is exempt, I’m guessing they are allowed to ask why, but can they ‘punish’ you? Can the disability discrimination laws be used?
That one is stressed by wearing a mask is a legal exemption..
If you say your child will return when the school returns to ‘normal’ and the school try to remove your child’s place, that would imply that the school in fact *never* intends things to return to normal, which would be telling…
It’s not going to be clear until we have an actual court case with one of these autocrats in the Dock.
Exemptions should be protected as a right by the schools and many don’t understand the law
We all know that if we say “exempt” when entering a shop nobody can question that, short of court.
If the shop denies entry after being told of your exemption it is guilty of Disability Discrimination.
In what way do these legal protections not apply to a child entering a school?
On the subject of testing, I’ve noticed that here
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/testing
they’ve not reported the number of daily tests since 26 August. The “headline” is still 186,500 and the downloaded csv file stops at that date.
Is this to stop us from working out the ratio of positive tests to total tests, and so reporting that it’s still oscillating about 0.6% as it’s been since late June?
I have emailed them about this, no response as yet. I am suspicious of the reasons, like you.
Can someone do a chart which shows new cases, their positivity percentage, deaths and possibly hospital/ICU admissions since masks where mandated for the major fear mongering countries USA, D, UK, F, Spain, OZ, possibly Italy and BRA, and then compare them with maskless Sweden, and possibly DK, N, NL and Central Swiss cantons numbers from those dates?
My hunch is that these numbers would demonstrate an inverse correlation of masks usefulness in those regards, aka that masks are not just useless against Covid and dangerous with regard to leading to more other illnesses, but that they are also INCREASING Covid cases!!!
You are still left with the claim that “more would have died without them”, which can’t be proven of course but that won’t stop them
Hancock’s Half-Hour
https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/03/hancocks-half-hour
Thank you, Offlands.
I try to send my (newly redundant) son something from this site to cheer up his day – that link fits the bill perfectly!
A couple of weeks back, I played golf with a retired solicitor (in his late ’70s) who told me that his son, when seeing Hancock on the television, kept saying, “I know him from somewhere”. After a few weeks, his son had a Eureka moment and told his father that he had met Hancock on the “new starters” London standup comedy circuit 20 – 30 years ago. Would be interesting if anyone could confirm – because that would explain a lot!
The thing is, if “Mr Hancock’s emergency law is upheld by the courts” then that’s the end of the law – or their law, or legislation – and they shouldn’t be allowed to uphold it.
The police as militia, and the “policing by consent” deception
We will never level anyone up unless we end all the pointless restrictions.
393 reported Covid deaths in Europe yesterday
Population: 741.4 million
SOURCE worldometers
For that European economies are being destroyed.
“Piers Corbyn, the elder brother of Jeremy Corbyn, the former leader of the Labour party, was given a penalty without trial of £10,000 for his part in organising a rally in Trafalgar Square calling for the repeal of the Coronavirus Act, passed in March, which gave the government sweeping powers.
The £10,000 penalty was imposed under a statutory instrument, not passed by parliament, but brought into force on 28 August by the Health Secretary. Two organisers of a rave in West Glamorgan, attended by about 3,000 people, were also given fixed penalty notices for £10,000.” Source – Spectator
In other words the night before the protest
What is going on with this Conservative Government?
They aren’t a Conservative government. They are the Chinese Communist Party, without the nice bits.
100%. It really does now feel that way. Its like an arms race to see which government can be the most authoritarian.
It seems Hancock is running the show. He is just a health minister but appears to be sticking his ore in on many other matters – how on earth is he permitted to institute these penalty notices. Pity he wasn’t actually doing what he is being paid for, that is get the NHS sclerotic beast delivering care.
Don’t send your children to the prison camps and then whine about it when they are abused. What did you expect. Crying to Toby Young isn’t going to change anything, either. That this site never recommends principled withdrawal from the system is why it isn’t trying to lead – and lots of you are greatly mistaken by following.
Exiting Babylon: the only way to escape being prey for UK Government in perpetuity
You are correct that withdrawal from the system is the best solution. It is the responsibility of each individual to enact this in their own lives in whatever ways they can.
However I believe the purpose of this website is to collate and present the best information out there to counter the mainstream narrative. In this regard, Toby et al are doing an absolutely superb job. What each of us then chooses to do with this information is up to us.
Thanks Richard O – you articulated it far better than I did.
Agree with the first bit.
Understand the frustration.
This site is great though. I believe it keeps many people sane and in hope. People do what they can and I would say TY is doing a heck of a lot more than most.
With due respect, I think the point of this site is essentially twofold: to provide a forum for sharing of views and information, and to provide a support function to those who are either on their own or do not have people around them who share their views. Once this is embedded, with more views and ideas disseminated externally (for example, many have been encouraged to write to their MPs, other officialdom, and will submit to the vaccine consultation) then the message will filter through to the public. It takes time though – note Carl Heneghan’s strategy of chip, chip away.
I second that in sofar, as I have zero sympathy or pity for anyone who becomes unemployed and/or for their children being tortured and robbed of their chances, who doesn’t oppose all this openly, which is seemingly still 95% of the population and above all the woke Y and Z generations.
I have complete sympathy with them. In fact, my heart goes out to them every day. Every time I see someone in a mask, my soul weeps.
Some people are not as courageous as you are. It’s all matter of fear and self-confidence. Many people have had their self-confidence chipped away by fear. It will return, and the fear will leave. We’re are just the vanguard.
Well said Mr Dee.
My friend recently visited her 93 year-old friend who was absolutely terrified and insisted they both wore masks inside the house. She has no internet etc and no doubt gets all her info from the monster that is the beeb.
Not her fault that she’s so scared. I swallowed the lies at first till luckily I found alternative sources of information.
My friend could see that the news was all nonsense but found it amusing that people could believe it. She didn’t realise how serious is the underlying agenda. It took the random unfairness of the local mockdown to get her mad enough to look deeper and here I am with some handy links for her to follow.
Drip, drip, drip ….
Please don’t blame the whole “Y” and “Z” generations, I think I class as being among one or the other of those. I also despise those contemporaries of mine who clearly are coronanist cowards.
Born in 1994, so is that Y or Z?
Don’t worry about me – I exited Babylon a looooong time ago. At least spiritually. Physically – now that’s the difficult part (though less important bit in the long run).
This site is great because it acts as a sounding board for ideas with like-minded people of a variety of backgrounds and beliefs. It has never been, to me at least, a site for a call to arms. But as an inspiration for a call to arms (if you see what I mean).
Thanks for the link though – more please!
George Carlin spoke in much the same way before he passed. Detach emotionally from the result of the game
https://youtu.be/eVZMifGcW64
Who is following? I mean, I don’t know what people do in their private lives, but my guess from posts here and from my own experience, most people that post here are quite capable of making their own minds up.
I know very little about Toby Young, other than some of his work with freedom of speech and obviously the efforts he is making to counteract the virus madness. I’m not his follower and I often don’t even read the updates that closely, just the comments for new useful info, interesting arguments and moral support.
I doubt the intention of this site is to “lead” anything or to push a strict set of responses or opinions, and even if it is I don’t care. There’s no censorship and I think people feel free to post whatever they feel like.
I am too literal to understand your references to prison camps, and I’m not sure anyone is “crying to Toby Young” – we are talking to eachother, primarily.
What’s your suggestion for how we get out of this?
Such great writing. Thought provoking on many levels. The fact that it’s socialism for the few/rich (Gov-private partnerships, TBTF bailouts) and capitalism for the many/poor (job losses, free markets) has been around for a very long time now on the left and the right.
This site is controlled opposition, Toby believes in eugenics, covid incompetence theory and is pals with ghislaine maxwell and michael gove. how many red flags do you need so see?
Heads-up Irish people.
When you get a call from your doctor’s surgery advising you that you or your children are due vaccine shots, consider what is motivating doctors to push the vaccination agenda…. is it profit or patient welfare?
Here’s a Telegram post received from Health Freedom Ireland this morning.
More in this Irish Times article (sorry for quoting MSM shite. Please pinch your nose while reading)
Doctors as mercenaries to administer whatever cocktails the pharmaceutical corporations give to them. What a fucking shitshow.
Doctors worked tirelessly in the death camps of Nazi Germany
Doctors participated in the Witch Hunts 400 years ago – they were getting rid of the competition.
Of course, doctors have received extra payments for a vast range of treatments for a long time – and that is without all the freebies available from Big Pharma!
I think the rot really settled in when Bliar doubled their salaries and reduced their work loads dramatically – at that point, doctors as a class started to feel that they were under-paid!
Also checkout the animated video for Ireland’s health passports – all nicely packaged, but with the underline message that nothing will be accessible to you unless you have the green standard. How often you will have to have your tonsils tickled by a swab, they omit to detail. The more ominous caption, was where it stated once you have the vaccine you will also have physical evidence to demonstrate this – at this point the animated female character lifts her top, but is screened by shield type symbol, make of that what you will.
Thanks. I am aware of that video and also the wave of push back from posters on their youtube channel which is encouraging.
I read an article fairly recently reporting on a FoI response received from the Irish government regarding payments made to companies in connection with C19. I can’t for the life of me find the article in question but if memory serves me correctly ROQU, the company behind the Ireland Health Passport, received c. €14M earlier this year. I’m wondering if this was to fund development of the application?
Incidentally ROQU is, or was, a financially insignificant company so it begs the question who in Government Robert Quirke – the person behind it – is connected to to land such a sizable chunk of money. I smell corruption.
Was the extra money to ROQU from Bill Gates or one of his funded organisations, by any chance?
From what I recall it was from the Irish Government which was why it was covered by the FOI disclosure.
But whilst we are on the topic of Gates…
Another Telegram post from Health Freedom Ireland this morning has brought to light that Q4PR, an Irish lobbying firm headed by an ex-politician Martin Mackin, made a declaration covering Q1 this year that Q4PR had lobbied Leo Varadkar on behalf of their client….Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation!
Declaration is here for you to read.
Sickening how far their tentacles extend.
All roads lead back to Gates….
They sure seem to.
Although, I am also not sure that Gates by himself (however rich and evil he may be) can force governments around the world to bend to his will.
I would not be surprised if he is the spokesman/front/useful idiot for others.
Well he claims to be talking to Fauci ‘all the time’…and we know he has met Boris and Matt Hancock..
The real holders of power always stay in the shadows.
Yes, some years back I think they released pics of Nixon walking somewhere in NYC, going to visit some Rockefeller, Getty types or whatever it was; Nixon was POTUS at the time.. the one job where people are supposed to come visit when You want them to! that’s real power.
Everybody will need to get swabbed every two weeks.
Why more for vaccinating children than adults? is it because they’re giving kids the Covid vaccine AND the flu vaccine together?
I have just been for a run to clear my head and was thinking about your last point about combining the vaccines.
I don’t think that will happen initially.
What we have in Ireland, it seems, is a very big push to get whole sections of the population vaccinated for flu in the coming months, before the year end. This will give the government the opportunity to get as many people enrolled on the health passport via the back door before the C19 poison becomes available. I fully expect that doctors/nurses administering the flu jab/nasal spray will create the passport record at the same time (as per the promo video). Time will tell if this plays out but I expect if it does it will be kept very low key to start – I’ll have to try find a sceptic nurse willing to confirm/deny this!
I cant speculate about the price differential between children and adults as it doesn’t seem logical that a jab is cheaper than a squirt of nasal spray.
Last week there was a lot of UK noise about everyone over 50 having a flu jab this winter. They’ve had to backpedal due to lack of sufficient stocks.
Was just looking through some of my older comments on BBC HYS articles. All these are from March/April, seems so long ago now. Once the inevitable inquiry comes along I will not be accepting “we could not have known” as an excuse:
31/03 –
“The vast majority of the worlds population do not need to be “saved from this virus””
01/04 –
“The virus might die off in the next couple of months”
03/04 –
“Masks and testing for the masses would be little more than a placebo”
—
“What I’d really like to know is when they’re actually testing patients for the virus. If non infected are being taken into hospitals to get infected then that’s a major worry. Nightingale and the other hospitals set up specifically for the virus may just become de facto euthanasia facilities.”
04/04 –
“The authorities have built this up to such large proportions that even IF they were wrong they now wouldn’t be able to turn around and say they wrecked the world economies and thus peoples lives unecessarily”
05/04 –
“There are people who think too much of themselves and some who think too much of others. The latter can be equally destructive to society by thinking no price is too big to pay to save 1 life”
—
“People calling for additional powers for enforcement etc seem to think those same powers wouldn’t apply to them once in place. Regardless of whether you intend to do something or not, loss of freedom is giving away your ability to choose”
08/04 –
“The final cost of all this will be much higher likely lasting for years.
People will not be spending as before, cutting back to repair any damage done to them personally. A lot will still want to social distance. The economy will suffer as a consequence. We’ll never really truly know what might have happened with different actions but we’ll be questioning and paying for this for years”
15/04 –
“We’ll look back at this chapter as the time we all did something drastic to prevent something we can’t be sure would have happened. Most of us weren’t even at risk of dying but some were happy to crap on their neighbours for putting their lives at perceived risk”
16/04 –
“The fact that the virus is everywhere in the UK and not just small pockets would suggest that a high proportion of the population has already been exposed to it. If so it would put a lot of doubt on the models being used”
—
“Am I alone in thinking this is all self inflicted?”
17/04 –
“The fear factor has been built up to such epic proportions that rational thought has been lost somewhere along the line”
20/04 –
“Secretly world leaders will be hoping Sweden’s approach is a catastrophic failure because then they can say their approach was justified”
—
“I don’t think a permanent lockdown to try and eradicate death is particularly rational. Just my opinion of course”
—
“The world has wrecked itself. The virus didn’t initiate lockdowns. Governments chose that option. Up to you if you think it was right or wrong”
21/04 –
“Fear of the unknown has paralysed the world. People dying from this virus are somehow more important than the bigger numbers of people dying from all other causes”
22/04 –
“Everyone has natural immunity (should be resistance though) to something. They just don’t know for sure till they get it”
23/04 –
“Hypothetical: Imagine if they’d made a colosal mistake in locking down the world.
Would they ever stop and say they made a mistake or would they carry on regardless?”
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“Your immune system is the only protection you have against the virus. Unless you plan to live in a bubble. Assuming a 1% mortality rate, what keeps the 99% alive?”
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“Majority of deaths are coming from the high risk groups. The virus killed people in the hospitals and those at home in those groups. It also spread through care homes. Why isn’t it killing thousands of fit and healthy people in their own homes? Projections were for hundreds of thousands dead in the UK. Once it ran out of high risk people was the virus going to decide to kill healthy people?”
25/04 –
“Somebody: One death was one too many
Me: This sort of mindset can lead to overreaction and not necessarily rational decisions”
I’m almost nostalgic for April when I had some hope that this would end.
Snap!
Yes, but :-
“April is the cruelest month, breedinglilacs out of the dead land, mixingmemory and desire, stirringdull roots with spring rain.”
Because we were told it would be for three weeks.
This is superb documentation. I am doing the same. No one can be excused.
No one can say that they couldn’t have known and done differently.
No one.
BBC news just now with a story about a hospital chaplain and his therapy dog, cheerfully telling us how he and his lovely dog Jasper used to visit ‘end of life’ patients, but now as they are done on zoom, Jasper is only ministering to the staff, who may have been traumatised. Sums up the current state of the NHS pretty well.
Now effectively renamed as the NCS: no prizes for guessing what the ‘C’ stands for!
I can think of a word, doubt it is the word your thinking of, but then I’m very industrial
Phillip Childs
I think I am losing friends and it makes me very sad. As the hymn says, “once to every man and nation comes the moment to decide”, and this, in our lifetimes, is our moment. Two old friends have told me today that they chose the other path. That’s going to make it very difficult for our relationship in future. They are both very intelligent men.
One said, in answer to my complaints about tyranny, “I’m not sure about tyranny, unless that’s the way to describe the effects of a global pandemic” – and lots more about how he thinks governments have been too cautious; and, which seems to go with it, that he supports BLM and police defunding in the USA.
The other, when I said that I had not been complying with restrictions, told me to stay away from him and his wife.
Yesterday also (which ended up worsening my mood) I went to our local second hand bookshop. The owner is a true believer and, according to others in the village, even drives with a face visor on. The bookshop had a complicated one-way system, perspex screens at the checkout desk, and a ‘quarantine box’ for books which had been touched. To his credit, the owner didn’t chide me for not wearing a mask. I was the only person in the very large shop apart from him in his visor, which viruses cannot of course duck underneath. I asked him when he’d be getting back to normal, and he said “not until there’s a vaccine”.
I sometimes think I’ve lived too long. Perhaps it would have been better, I wonder, if I’d been born in the first decade of the 20th century. With luck I would have had a “good war” and an interesting career and died around the time of Tony Blair’s first ministry; I would have seen the end of communism but not the rise of radical Islam and the surrender of the West to righteous idiocy and self-deprecation.
Yes, we don’t have a recognisable country any more – it is just Greta Britain now. I hope for, but no longer expect to see, better times.
I have no doubt that many friendships have faltered and fallen during these past months. That is a real stab in the back, to be told to “stay away” from your friend and his wife. There are people we have not heard anything from for months. Thankfully our neighbours seem to be mostly sceptical and quite a few of the locals in our village, but I have a gut feeling that certain of our long-standing friendships are on very rocky ground. We are total sceptics; they are emotion-based and have NHS connections. They’ll never see the reality.
Matthew 10:34. “Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword.
Plenty of NHS sceptics too though, I think it depends on the persons attitudes to illness, if you think illness is a normal part of being alive perhaps you are going to be more like us on this site. My partner is thinking about sending Safety Mask song video by Media Bear to the Chief Executive of his hospital!!!!!
Our neighbours clapped NHS every week and now they have a BLM party every Thursday with big speakers put into the street which stops our kids sleeping. They are white and live in a £900k house.
Maybe being born 20 years earlier would have sufficed.
You haven’t lived too long – we need sane people to keep the faith.
Sorry to hear about your friends – we have lost some too, but other friends and family have been solid and we hold fast to those relationships that are healthy for us.
The man who runs my cycling group was a bedwetter. Posted on What’sApp back in May that as restrictions were easing would anyone like to go for rides in a “small” group again. I answered that as i had ignored all of the restrictions since they were imposed i would gladly go on rides in a group. I was promptly “digitally” ejected from the group without a comment.
OOPS!
I am outspoken in my scepticism. It hasn’t caused any problems. I probably wouldn’t notice if it did though
Likewise, but now I wait for them to bring the subject up which they invariably do, negatively. I pitch my response not according to their level of belief but what I think might sink in at short notice.
Last week I met a chap down here at a Retreat/Sanctuary, bound to be a wetter, but no.
Confirmed sceptic who gets all his info direct from ONS and crunches the numbers himself.
Today, for the first time someone started with “it’s a load of bollocks really, you know, the Covid shit”, we spent a few happy minutes comparing bolloxness stories.
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I am the same. But I feel I don’t want to be with those friends who do not feel like I. One told me last time I saw her she thinks only New Zealand have got it right and that they can be self sufficient for years to come! Good luck to them. Perhaps it’s best to these friends go and only be with people who we can talk to and get support from.
Haha yes I have a lifelong friend married to a Kiwi here and they both tried to mention New Zealand as if they’ve got it right. As she’s someone who has always been big on human rights (correctly) and a big believer in left wing politics, I just quipped about how I’m surprised she considers imprisonment of innocent people and closing the countries borders could possibly be considered a good thing and how that fits with her usual outlook… answer came there none, other than her contesting the imprisonment was under ‘armed guard’ as I had claimed and that they weren’t armed — as if that was the crucial point.
“As the hymn says, “once to every man and nation comes the moment to decide”, and this, in our lifetimes, is our moment.”
Brilliantly put.
They weren’t true friends then, just acquaintances.
I will readily admit I only have 2 real friends that meet the criteria my Dad told me:
Your real friend is the one sitting in the jail cell next to you when they came to help you out of trouble.
Both my true friends will do whatever they can to help if I called them – I know this would be next to nothing and not of much help but it would be everything they could do even if this is not a lot.
Your bookshop owner is in for a long wait – it takes 10-15 years to develop a vaccine safely.
https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/vaccine-development-testing-and-regulation
Or of course he could accept any old placebo (whether harmful or otherwise) that he allows someone to stick in his arm.
PS – can you have a harmful placebo- seems a contradiction in terms?
Certainly people report side effects when double blind trials are run – obviously some of the participants are getting placebo.
Did you mean to say “poisoned placebos”?
Yes because they put the adjuvants into the placebo.
If they just used saline but that would make the side effects of the real thing (and the adjuvants which are not harmless) less difficult to ignore.
Absolutely correct. It is the adjuvants that are the greatest danger in the “new class” of vaccines. The old versions were expensive to make and relatively safe by comparison.
A placebo vaccine (saline?) would be very welcome right now, offer it to the bed-wetters, make them may a lot for it (paying for things makes the placebo effect stronger), use a really painful needle (a more intrusive delivery makes the placebo effect stronger)… Sadly I think a government so incompetent as to declare a lockdown because of a very much flu like virus genuinely could find a way to make a placebo be harmful.
Sorry you’re having such a shit time. I gently whittled my friends down a long while back but I have a friend who’s currently in the process and it’s painful for her.
This has unfortunately very much been the experience of me and my wife. We went through a “trial run” of thinning out our friends during the Br**it debate (actually, more a case of them “defriending” us) and it has continued through the Covid nonsense. We have had enough; there comes a time when we must all decide between doing what is easy and doing what is right.
As Graham says, this is our moment. We will be leaving behind all the bed-wetters, those who want continued submission to the collapsing EU, those who are compliant to tyrannical authority and those who attempt to enforce the same tyranny. It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees, and anyone who thinks that this has not been long-planned is deluded.
Oh, boy have I thought the same.
Come on, where’s your sense of adventure?
Finally went maskless in the supermarket today. No aggro, no questions asked. Reading today’s depressing update galvanised me. Before I was wearing one and pulling it down to my nose/chin and hating every second of it but enough is enough. I should have gone maskless from the start because I have a history of bad mental health which exempts me but I was more worried of any abuse I might receive from zealots, given how extraordinarily effective the fear propaganda has been at turning ordinary men against one another (and given that lots of shops are seemingly unaware of exemptions so I was worried they’d turn me away or try to humiliate me).
But I’m not worried anymore. I just refuse to participate in this twisted worldwide game of Let’s Pretend, where we all pretend that a deadly virus will kill us if we don’t abide by unscientific, illogical and contradictory rules, while children are being harmed in so many sick ways. It’s revolting and I almost cried at what I read this morning. This monstrous cruelty is the result of psychopathic career politicians, with no empathy or real life experience, who are too cowardly to correct their enormous lockdown mistake, allowing jobsworth bureaucrats with a slavish adherence to rules take charge of policy. These children may not be able to stand up for themselves so we have to do it for them.
Hear hear!
I go maskless in Tesco. No-one ever said anything to me about it. Always have a nice chat with the serving staff
Me too. Never any hassle
Me too – no-one looks at me and i just keep my head down and go round.
I am going to have to cave in to mask wearing at the weekend as i’m flying on holiday to europe and although i can’t bear the though of being in a masked hellhole throughout the trip i’m going to shut my eyes, put music on and dream of being on the beach!! Try to ignore it all and not get worked up/anxious!
Apparently you don’t need a mask if you’re, eating, drinking or sleeping. Check with your airline. A bottle of water and a small bag of pretzels could last the whole fight!
Maskless when I shop but I am shopping as little as possible as it is very depressing seeing people in masks
Journeyed out for the first time on a train since the madness. Birkdale to Liverpool,, masks everywhere, Two uniformed blokes appeared, checking tickets and passes, I struggled to find mine, showed it ” thanks mate” and off they went no mention of me and wife’s maskless visages! Liverpool Central busy, masks everywhere, into several shops Cass Art, Mattas, Holland and Barratt, and a meal in The Egg veggie eatery, a few low key” measures ” but relaxed, back on train no problems, tho. unnerving surrounded by the muzzleoids in a small carriage.
Me too.
Well done.
It gets easier every time.
Noticed a few days ago at the checkout free-faced with the wife that a few middle-aged woman came and stood really close behind us and listened in to the conversation when I was speaking to the till supervisor about an old man in a scooter that was having trouble breathing and to keep an eye on him.
We’d helped him to get something off a high shelf and he surreptisiously pulled down his mask and looked around guilty. Told him the exemptions and he could take it off and so on and he said he did ‘t want to in case someone agve him trouble.
Explained that only a Policeman could question him, told him the stock answer and explained that it could not be taken any further and so on. He looked relieved but still put his mask on but noticed he did take it off to breath better a lot more readily after.
Then went on to explain all the problems masks can cause and the woman behind us all looked a bit uneasy at that and started playing with teh muzzles and sanitising hands until I asked “was the sanitiser 70% alcohol as less than that and it will not work on a virus, it’s only an anti-bacterial”?
Anyone else notice on ITV 2 I think it is that the evening is now sponsored by ACNECIDE a facewash to combat acne? Is this because of the increasing numbers of people getting acne due to masks?
Excellent! Well done Poppy!
I have been doing it from day one. There is not much else I can do as I have stopped trying to reason with my friends and family. I was on a bus yesterday (mask less of course) and it was full so I stood next to a fully masked and glowed up middle aged larger lady. Still stood about a 1m away ,not because of the virus but because I respect people s personal space.The lady turned around, saw me , screamed and literary ran off the buss at the next stop..The society is fucked, all we can do is fight on.
I have been bicycling since the Mandatory Masks Rule on all Montreal transport and I dread the end of my cycling time and being obliged to use public transport to get around this autumn and winter.
Nice work Poppy
Hopefully it gave you the feeling that you have a bit more control over your life.
Well done, keep it up. I am maskless in all shops, been challenged just once by door staff, I replied “I’m exempt, thank you” and kept walking. When I chat to staff or other shoppers, it’s as if nothing is any different – nobody remarks at all, for or against. Sad in a way, but it works for me.
Well done Poppy, not worn a mask yet. Never will.
It’s all about confidence, hold your head up, stand tall. We are doing the right thing. And SMILE.
Go Poppy!
Well done Poppy! I’ve never worn a mask and never will do. All you need are the magical words: ‘I’m exempt.’
Well done Poppy – I understand that for some people it can be nerve wracking. Never really bothered me – I enjoy it. Don’t get me wrong, I hate confrontation. But if I get it so be it. Since Day One I’ve had only one small bit of hassle – in a bank. Walked out and have put in a complaint (which I’ve yet to hear back on).
I’ve just had an argument with someone close who’s told me we can’t beat it and have to go with it. Saw red! Told them that it was people like them who were letting us all down.
Someone else I know said last week that they are wearing a muzzle out of respect for all the people who have died of covid.
Well I’m not wearing one out of respect for all the people who have been killed by treatable cancers and other illnesses by this shitfest, and all the other silent, forgotten and wilfully ignored victims. And as a two-fingered salute at a government and attitude towards life that I despise.
Today’s posting, from Will Jones, reads especially darkly – which is perhaps reflected in the comments here today. As far as I am concerned making a stand against this bollocks is a civic duty. Back through the ages people fought and died to attain the privileged society we had here until a few months ago. In comparison, not wearing a muzzle is a small easy thing.
Every time you go into a shop unmuzzled you should feel not nervous but proud.
Hear hear!
Well done Poppy, hold your lovely maskless face high, and enjoy the air
Well done and well said Poppy. You are completely right ,we must be the voice for all those who can’t stand up for themselves .No more ifs and buts THE VOICELESS NOW HAVE A VOICE and thats us. No more waiting for anyone to save us ,If we are going to make it through we need to put all personal arguments aside .No more of this left and right wing moaning we hear everyday on here.Next time any of us feels shit just think of those kids not only here but all over the world who are being treated like dirt .Its time to do everything we can individually and collectively to destroy this system before it destroys us and kills everything that freedom loving people hold dear.
I have only had one comment from a “door monitor” in a shop; he was the only masked employee in the shop, so he’s probably a “true believer”. I was wearing a lanyard and pointing to it shut him up. I suspect, however, that it was the look on my face that was more effective.
Beakthrough! Well done.
Poppy, you are a heroine! It’s not easy for everyone. You’ve done a good thing, including for those who haven’t yet found their own bravery. I do hope you feel able to carry on.
Well done!!!!
“What are we doing here”
https://youtu.be/K_DnRn9hyFU
I just cannot wrap my head around why the govt. has committed such an act of self-sabotage to the economy, subsequently letting down EVERY single sector (except amazon, which is basically it’s own economy now and practically recession proof) and EVERY single socio-economic group be it age, gender or race.
It baffles me people are willing to hand over their freedoms, the rights and their access to the things that make life worth living on the back of some “fag packet” maths set out in March. The bias to their own folly is outrageous, a lack of willingness to see the evidence, and change narratives whilst simultaneously not having one. (previously SAVE THE NHS, down to, STAY ALERT, to whatever it is now)
Evidence based medicine and policy has gone down the toilet with the govt. seemingly reacting to twitter, newspaper headlines and devolved powers rather than forge their own path. Lockdown has and will kill people for years to come and it’s a complete waste of human capital.
I cannot see to what political end all of this turmoil is being carried out for, from muzzling the population, to revoking the right to free speech and right to protest (unless it’s for BLM), we’re clearly not going to be in a dictatorship any time soon so why take these actions…?
“I cannot see to what political end all of this turmoil is being carried out for”
I can, it’s called self preservation and clinging on to power at any cost
But they’ve just been elected with a 80+ seat majority, there was no challenge to their power nor would there be until the next election so it can’t be that, not as if we were in open revolt before hand
If the truth ever came out there would be trials, and they would be unelectable for the next 50 years
Thank god Labour ousted Corbyn then, I do think there is now a space for a reasoned and rational party somewhere to the right, with some empathy as one of its core values.
even a rational party in the middle would do. and some minimum academic standard for would-be MPs. PhD in numerate subject for example.
PhD’s aren’t idiot proof (see current SAGE committee), I would argue the trade off between social skills makes them even worse as an MP, but a degree or some reasonable other level of attainment yes.
true. I think individuals need critical thinking skills and healthy scepticism. Neil Ferguson has a numerate PhD but seems to be unhinged with some sort of save the world messiah complex. Not sure how you filter them out
I agree, bias training, critical thinking and some reasonable grasp of numbers would be a minimum for me. Unfortunately that’s not what we get in the overwhelming majority.
my PhD comment was tongue in cheek. But I think numeracy leads to those critical thinking skills. I would just be happy for more scientists and engineers and less lawyers and PPE graduates.
I have a PhD in a numerate subject, but I embarked on that after more than a decade of working in the real world, with the intention of continuing to work in the real world. I think that makes a difference.
I have a PhD in Physics. I also know others who do and are morons. I think you are spot on with your working in the real world comment. Many academics become institutionalised and ivory towered.
I’m a Project Manager by degree and profession, I’ve thought about a job in the civil service with a view to delivering major projects and then a potential career in front-line politics, with this situation, I’m not sure I want to anymore.
you should
This lot wouldn’t know the real world if they fell into it.
I don’t think the Neil Ferguson aspect can be stressed too strongly. We know that his (and many other epidemiologists’) SIR model is a vastly oversimplified (a.k.a. wrong) version of how epidemics work. It takes no account of ‘shades’ of immunity.
We also allow the modellers to define what immunity (‘Recovered’) looks like: positive antibody tests, thus allowing mere modellers to pronounce on the real life spread of the virus. What makes us think that modellers understand viruses and immunity at all? Theirs is a self-referencing, circular world based on an elementary mathematical model. They have no need to understand the immune system beyond their own toy model. They can publish papers forever more without needing to leave the virtual world of their computer.
We also know that Ferguson fed some dodgy numbers into his model, as well. But I think that focusing on those is a red herring, because it seems to legitimise his model otherwise. The figures and the model are both wrong. Very, very wrong.
It is probably too late now, but everyone should understand that the narrative was originally defined by a fictional model, with dodgy values fed into it to boot.
I see the models as ‘what-if’ tools designed to elicit some understanding of how diseases progress due to levels of social contact in various situations. They have been misinterpreted as forecasts. The numbers in were junk too which doesn’t help. I think Ferguson looks for the highest numbers he can justify because that’s his schtick and he never got in trouble for doing it before. The models are a red-herring though. It doesn’t take 13,000 lines of code to multiply IFR by susceptible population to give deaths. The models don’t give us IFR or susceptible populations which are real world variables that need measuring
I have reservations re recommending watching this, but have you seen the three films by Adam Curtis collectively titled ‘All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace’? He makes some very pertinent points about the limitations of models
Yes, many people are getting hung up on the quality of his code, and so on, when in reality the main narrative regarding deaths was based on multiplying a dodgy number (the IFR) with the ‘final size’ value produced by the model which, being an SIR model, and supplied with a certain R0 value will settle on a fixed final size (80% or whatever). The quality of the code was a secondary issue – it was always going to give the 500,000 deaths answer.
Filter them out by only accepting people who are anti-authority and anti-health-and-safety. the intersection of “PhD in a hard science” with “anti-authority and anti-health-and-safety” gets you the really spectacular boffins.
From my experience with PhD holders, one does not equate with intelligence and certainly not pragmatism.
there are a lot of fake PhDs around (social sciences etc)
So that rules me out!
There are outliers
The most obvious explanation is initial fear, panic, cowardice, lack of leadership, inability to make unpopular choices in the face of media pressue, and incompetence – something common to a lot of politicians hence the global cockup. Since then, they like the easy power, the glory, the attention, are afraid of admitting they were wrong as they know it will end their political careers.
Even then you have to admit the whole thing is bewildering, sure I get at the start no one really knows and as people were dying in reasonably high daily numbers do something, but once it has become apparent how docile this thing is I would want to be the leader who liberated the people from fear and illness and got the country back working before everyone else.
200 counties in the world. Politicians ran the covid response in 199 of them. In Sweden it was run by the scientists. The simple fact is politicians and civil servants are all utter morons. How the hell does PPE from Oxford mean you can run anything? Politicians should not run anything. Their job is to tinker with the rules on how things run – not actually run anything.
The WHO dictated the response under pressure from whom?
I agree our politicians are useless and we need to break the pattern of uni,party researcher,union organiser then in to party politics.I think Cameron’s only job was a pr man at Carlton TV.
They need some real life experiences before they tell us how to live our lives
under pressure from China.
But Sweden ignored them
Exactly. They way the WHO changes its tune weekly to prolong the antisocial measures is highly suspicious to me.
Tedros is a psychopath. A former executioner. And, not a Doctor. Beware.
If they’d pulled back from mockdown in May, they wouldn’t have as much to own up to now and they might have salvaged their careers. No hope of that now.
One lie begets another and so on, ad infinitem.
However, that’s only if you believe that it’s only been a succession of cockups.
Its very difficult for people to admit to making mistakes. The bigger the mistake the harder it is to backtrack. “Sorry, our policies had no benefits but will contribute to millions dying across the world needlessly”. Throwing good money after bad, doubling down or whatever. That’s why we all need a ‘change in management’. We need new leaders that were not involved in the lockdown decisions.
Unfortunately they’ll be with us for another 4 years give or take.
a change at the top would do. 1922 committee. Wanksock can be scapegoated. Any moderate potential Boris replacements?
Is Gove preparing to step up?
dunno. do you know what his covid position has been?
Gove is so slippery you’ll never be able to guess his position on anything. I’ve never heard him give a straight answer to any question.
Every time I think of Gove, I am remided of that photo of him gazing up at Greta T, hanging on to her every word. Since then I cannot contemplate this numpty for any senior political office.
We *don’t* want someone who thinks Greta is the new messiah!
Every time I look at a photo of him I think what a slimy piece of shit, what’s he hiding in his murky past?
Probably wrapping hamsters in facemasks and sellotape to stop them splitting when he f…..
No I won’t say it
Photo op?
Maybe he had the hots for her?
Steve Baker, but he’s been far too silent for my liking over the last few months.. Unless this is deliberate, ie so he can see to be ‘clean’ and not have actively advocated for the recent draconian measures imposed on us? However I don’t think he was even in the Commons yesterday?
I like Steve as he is one of the few MPs who isn’t retarded. Has he been quiet? Or just that what he has said isn’t being reported?
Check Hansard.
I don’t think there is anyone who is up to the job at the moment that is in parliament.
Some others outside of Parliament but who will never get into it.
How about the Labour Party leader. He needs to get some daily grief. Useless. Human Rights lawyer? Not anymore.
Any volunteer would surely have to be insane at this point of economic disaster?
No they won’t.
Unfortunately the leader of our so-called Opposition consistently called for tighter mockdowns.
We have nowhere to turn.
What political end?
Totalitarian control.
To appease their overlords.
We are in a dictatorship
And it’s not friendly anymore.
Never let a good crisis go to waste. Its Disaster Capitalism in motion.
I would be interested to see the current records on lobbying from PPE manufacturers (mainly China) and vaccine manufacturers in keeping us in lockdown as their sales/revenues are no doubt through the roof at the moment.
A Boris said in his speech after he was elected,”This is a NEW DAWN for the United Kingdom” When he said that I knew we were in for big trouble.
I walked around singing “Tomorrow Belongs To ME” for about a week after that.
Mutt Wankock is doing a pretty good impersonation of a dictator.
Breaking News: Amazon to create 7000 new jobs.
Somehow that made me sad.
Did you see the post by Robert Kennedy on how much EXTRA profit Jeff Bezos has already made this year?
This
Thanks for posting – yes; it was that I was referring to!
At least he earned it by providing a service. Not like our skiving MPs.
YAY! An “OPPORTUNITY” to work in a Geoff Bezzos techno prison with a facemask and gloves. Seriously don’t buy anything from Amazon.
It is worse than that, look at the articles that “The Register”(“El Reg”) has published the last few days about the conditions of workers(oops typo, should spell that S L A V E S ) at his warehouses.
Getting ready for the Reset.
Just dropped off 2 daughters at primary school. All pretty normal – bit of a 1-way system. nobody in a mask. Daughters know that covid doesn’t get kids (or adults unless they are terminally ill anyway). I taught them to pronounce covid-19 using their fingers to do the “inverted commas”.
My daughter returned to Primary today. The only worry my daughter had was that she doesn’t know her times tables! Drop off pretty normal and a one way system in place and nobody in a mask. Mums stood outside gates chatting.
Buy her this game: Times Table Swat. So much fun! I played it during Lockdown with my daughter, and later with her and her friend (and her friend’s mum – who lost horribly). Helped her with her times table in no time.
Thank you. I’ll look into it.
She shouldn’t worry, Neil Ferguson doesn’t know his times tables either, judging by the quality of his work.
BBC website main page … i.e “top story” – NY Black Man killed in police hood restraint
Interesting that BBC highlight this.. stress the colour of the victim, and make numerous links in the article to George Floyd and other white policeman/black victim events.
This is just usual BBC BLM BS.
The victim was high on PCP and clearly having mental issues.
“Police body camera footage obtained by the family through a public records request shows Mr Prude, who had been running naked through the streets in a light snow before police arrived, lying unarmed as officers restrain him on the ground.
The video shows that Mr Prude complied immediately when officers arrived on the scene and ordered him to lie on the ground and put his hands behind his back. He can be heard saying: “Sure thing, sure thing.”
He becomes agitated, at times swearing at the officers who surround him and spitting, but he does not appear to offer any physical resistance, according to the footage.
Mr Prude told officers he was infected with coronavirus, and they placed a “spit hood” over his head. “Spit hoods” are mesh fabric hoods placed over the heads of suspects to protect officers from a detainee’s saliva.
Critics who oppose their use say they are distressing and humiliating, can cause panic in the detained person, and make it harder to notice if a prisoner is having difficulty breathing.
One officer is seen pressing down with both hands on Mr Prude’s head and saying: “Stop spitting.”
So the BBC agree that spit hoods are depressing and humiliating …. cause panic…. difficult breathing,, So what is the difference between these and covid masks which the BBC wholehearted support (to the extent that on news this morning, one reporter was broadcasting from a completely empty airport terminal – not a single person anywhere to be seen,, wearing a mask ) .
Can we keep this site focused on the lockdown and not this race baiting horse shit?
We need to be a broad church if we want to end the lockdown. This race baiting is just being encouraged to divide people at the moment so that movements do not gain strength.
I completely agree with this and it disappoints me daily to see articles about BLM etc
I agree. I went to saturday antilockdown protests and felt I didn’t fit in. Too many loonies
I agree totally.The BLM was a massive diversion at the time when we should have been questioning the lockdown.
We should have “hijacked” their protests, made it look like they were all behind us (even when most probably weren’t). Things like “Black livelihoods matter, end the lockdown, let them re-open ther businesses, and while at it everyone else can re-open too”. or “We are locally ending lockdown in protest at police brutality against ethnic minorities”…
Let me know skipper if this is horse shit…
3 days ago
Controversial spit hoods have been used 70 times in Edinburgh this year despite warnings that they could increase the risk of coronavirus transmission. Data obtained by Edinburgh Live under Freedom of Information laws showed the hoods were deployed by Police Scotland officers in Edinburgh 70 times.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburgh-cops-used-cruel-spit-18856461.amp&ved=2ahUKEwjnncCk08zrAhWYgVwKHeHHAOEQFjABegQICRAI&usg=AOvVaw1HENv_aUxfQ-qejO1Wonzm&cf=1
I couldn’t give a flying f*ck about spit hoods, my focus is on ending the lockdown. Once this has been achieved then maybe I’ll give a flying f*ck about spit hoods.
I think it’s quite important to understand how far reaching measures have become. Not only are police walking about with the political mask on their face when instructed they have also increased use of spit hoods. We haven’t seen UK police lifting pregnant women from their own homes yet, but our police are engaged in political policing. As a document of these times this is worth while recording.
Getting of with a more postive endeavor would be of more advantage than declaring what you are not giving a fuck about.
Political policing in the UK. That is a big deal. We got there through discussion. It is good.
This is as mad as Holly Willoughby and Phillip Schofield yesterday!
I agree but the latter half of Mrs post is about comparing spit hoods to masks so on topic.
Seems to have stirred up a few people.
You may not have noticed that the main point of the posting is about coronavirus and the use of spit hoods and the way that BBC take a different view of having to wear masks (this is good) and having to wear a spit hood (this is bad) when both are variations of the same thing.
This is just highlighting the BBC editorial policy on masks and lockdown
And this article was only noticed because of the prominence given to it by BBC by putting it on the main page (which would not have happened had the victim not been black). . Again a comment on the BBC editorial policies by giving some context .
I must say I am a little bit worried for Matt (Cockup) Hancock, he did have that look of a mad person (PC correct here) when interviewed on BBC Breakfast this morning, perhaps we should section him and the rest of the government cabinet before it’s to late.
Yes, this regular testing is complete madness – a comment on the Guido page regarding this is very insightful:
‘If you were planning on a method to totally control a population, this is how you’d go about it.
Everybody’s DNA on File
Everybody’s freedoms under total control of the state
Everybody conforming to the state
Scary stuff, I think the push back on this is going to be extreme.’
I only wish the commenter was right regarding the pushback! This regular testing is what was planned by that Irish organisation only the other day…
What will it take for people to WAKE UP?
He was definetely getting flustered and on the defensive the other day on ITV evening news as well.
Hopefully he knows the game is nearly over and “we” are coming for him.
Only takes one doctor now thanks to his beloved Coronaviris Act.
Do we have any psychiatrists in the house ?
The way in which secondary schools are being run under the ‘Covid laws’ sounds very much like the way that they were run 50 years ago. We didn’t have exclusions, of course (except for sleeping with male teachers and/ or getting pregnant!) but all that facing the front, walking around in silence and being randomly excluded from parts of the school sounds very familiar from my girls’ grammar school. The difference of course was that, after the first year, we took very little notice. I despair of teenagers today who seem to have lost the art of rebellion.
I suspect that many teachers secretly hate teenagers and are using this as an opportunity to impose a regime that they have been itching to impose for years, and are using ‘the virus’ to override the complaints of students and parents.
My message to teenagers would be, ‘There are more of you than them. Get organised and get rebelling!’
Brief update from the front line as I ve finished my admin hour 5 minutes early . Fortunately I haven’t come across yesterday’s ” jumper ” with the laura ashley face nappy , I think she only comes out of the intermediate care office when she sees the coast is clear and was surprised that she found me ( a leper ) making tea yesterday.
Yesterday I also received an instant message from the office manager reminding me not to send patients to the front desk to book a blood test …despite the flexi glass I , Dr Peter, am obviously attempting to kill Emma the young and charming front desk girl who gets most of her info from GMTV .
One colleague told me that they couldn’t see the patient now as their visor was so scratched. I haven’t worn my visor for months, nor my bin bag . I really don’t see the point of wearing rubber gloves and face nappy when consulting a patient sitting a distance away from me who for the first time has significant mental health problems caused by loss of employment with the ending of furlough.
See that bloody f****r Dr Hilary on GMTV? Why does the GMC allow him to get away with it and why’s he not seeing patients at his practice instead of bullying Piers Corbyn on morning telly? Could a doctor answer please?
I share you thoughts about him. Look at his eyes. There is no compassion. The behaviours of his copresenters must surely be recognisable to him as unhealthy.
I never bothered much about him until the present crisis but highly resent the (false) medical authority which both he and the programme producers present him as. Millions of viewers hang on his every word. If you google him, you will find that he has a history of multiple extra-marital liaisons and resultant marriage break-ups. A man who can act like this in his personal life is quite capable of lying on a grand scale to the nation. No morals.
Completely right, although his personal life is news to me. I never watched gmb until these times – important to know where the propaganda is coming from. I cannot add anything to your synopsis but just record that I recognise the same traits you accurately state.
His ginger stand-in has an equal support from producers.
7 cases per 100k is widespread!? Lol.
They’ve all gone fucking bonkers. Despite the data showing no deaths and knowing for bloody months and months now that this is a ‘bad flu’ they’ve all gone full on authoritarian nightmare mode.
seems like a mild cold to me. most people asymptomatic, a few sniffles. But its new, so takes away the terminally ill. But they would have died this winter cold/flu season anyway
7 false positives per 100k
Headline : Cheltenham sees biggest rise in daily coronavirus cases in Gloucestershire, latest figures
Story: Cheltenham saw the biggest rise in coronavirus cases in Gloucestershire over the past 24 hours, according to the latest data from Public Health England released today (September 2). The town borough saw two more people diagnosed with the virus, taking the the total to 471.
There was {sic] also rises in Stroud and Tewkesbury, which both saw one more person diagnosed, taking the totals to 291 and 281 respectively.
In reality there may well be no new ‘cases’, meaning true positives, at all
https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/cheltenham-news/cheltenham-sees-biggest-rise-daily-4480093
some would still blame the Cheltenham festival for this
LOL.
Our local paper (Bracknell) proudly announced ‘8 new cases reported’. Not until you read further did you realise this was since last Friday and were just catching up after the bank holiday. The other local paper said correctly there was just one new case since yesterday. Real positives or not is anybody’s guess.
Is that also Reach Media?
One of them is, not sure of the other one. All these local newspapers are produced far away from the local area and probably couldn’t even pin point our town on the map.
Media now going down the false negatives route, ffs!
https://t.co/cDYwRhPCKF?amp=1
“Anti-Semitism is never far from the surface of these conspiracy theories,”
Marianna Spring, the BBCs finest Specialist DisMisinformation report has been at work to produce a hugely ugly piece of writing.
Marianna and Mike Wending appear to make up the BBC disinformation Unit. So orwellian in title I wonder if these are not two useful idiots used to front a behavioural nudge unit to harvest anger and outcry. They are pathetic specimens. The writing its truly awful- as bad as my own!
The narrative agenda setting headline runs – “How Covid-19 myths are merging with the QAnon conspiracy theory”
Yesterday evening about 9pm I posted a quick and dirty biography of marianna spring. In 2014 she left sixth form college. In 2016 she was writing for The Moscow Times, then a 55,000 circulation daily, in 2017 became a weekly. Her Cherwell newletter reports from Oxfords days show her to cover progressive agendas, all 76-8 of them.
She currently tweets complaining social media is giving her negative comments.
Sigh… they tried it with Corbyn, and won, Now they try it with us. Idiots. We are against the dehumanisation and degradation of ALL people.
They didn’t ‘try’ it with Corbyn. They succeeded with Corbyn. Almost the entire media was complicit in manufacturing myths about ‘antisemitism’ that were actually the opposite of the truth (as several stringent analyses showed).
The propaganda was sustained by exaggeration, partial reporting and simple omission of contrary evidence.
It was what I saw happening in March/April that alerted me to the same techniques of propaganda being used about Covid – particularly by the BBC.
The vaccine was to go and look at the figures … with the result that we know.
The establishment didn’t want Corbyn at any price (thus Starmer); the establishment does relish social control (surprise, surprise).
SPI-B crept out of the woodwork. The Groan fulfilled it’s new (since about 2009) role and became a key funnel of establishment propaganda again ‘The MI6 House Journal’. The Beeb continued it’s subservient role, too.
… the rest is history
It’s not history yet.
The EHRC report into accusations of anti semitism in the labour party may very well be published this month…..
https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/ymchwiliadau-ac-archwiliadau/investigation-labour-party
In fact, as it turns out, the only reason that we have the most useless prime minister ever in power is because the leader of the opposition at the last election was deemed to be even more useless:
‘Johnson was at minus 12 in the YouGov approval rating polling, Corbyn was at negative 40.’
https://www.vox.com/world/2019/12/13/21004755/uk-election-2019-jeremy-corbyn-labour-defeat
The rest will be history………
Was only a matter of time. Rolling out the h big guns
Big guns! Marianna will be pleased.
To be clear I’m saying smearing is the go to tactic of choice by the desperate establishment. The cannot win with reasoned argument. Facts are with us.
Incidentally – F.a.c.t.s. would appear a behavioural choice for slogan. Gives them the opportunity to reinforce their message.
In all honesty I don’t see a connection to anti-semitism being succesfully manufacured. Our reasons for being against lockdown and its associated oppression have always stood alone to fuel our indignation. There is nothing deeper, underlying, it is just effing wrong. For all humanity.
There’s a contact email address for Wendling if you follow the link in Basics’ post above. If anyone feels like setting him straight on what are basic, core sceptic positions.
This was his answer to me. Whatever one thinks of him or of the piece he wrote, it’s a good summary of what we face. It’s tricky because we want to be a broad church and some of what he says is a conspiracy theory is quite possibly true, but if the objective is to appeal to Joe Public and change his mind then I think we need to be harder to attack. I intend no disrespect to people’s quite legitimate points of view on the motives behind what is happening, nor do I intend any disrespect to people like Piers Corbyn who is fighting for what he believes in. Just considering tactics.
Hi XXXXXX–
Let me be very clear. Of course there is a legitimate debate over government policy and legitimate questions to be asked. Many of the arguments and people you have mentioned have been reflected in a variety of BBC News reports. We’ve done a number of pieces about the Swedish approach, to take just one example.
However what we saw last Saturday was something very different. The organisers may have tried to tempt in people with the idea that they were simply dissenting from government policy. But the speakers repeatedly spouted bad science and conspiracy theories.
If you look at our health and political coverage online you’ll see a range of opinions and trustworthy information about what is still a very fluid, developing situation.
Thanks very much for reading.
Kind regards
Mike
It’s not the normal run of the mill Jews that are behind it, they are being played as much as everyone else.
It’s the Zionists, Khazarian Mafia, Ashkenzis – all “faux Jews” that are driving it.
Unfortunately the average Jew gets tarred with the same brush and blamed as they are an easy target.
Today’s posting must be the most depressing so far. Never could I have believed the depths of depravity shown by so many of today’s political leaders; and where next will they go? Oh to have been born twenty years earlier!
This can of worms only opens from the inside. When the blame games start we will be making progress. As far as I can see, SAGE didn’t recommend lockdown. That was a Boris panic
to recast an old joke about Harold Wilson there is probably one on Boris desk that says “the buck starts here”
Having been shaken and distressed by the Merseyside parent’s report, which I am sure is widespread, I need to make the point that, while we all knew teaching unions and heads would adopt this spiteful ‘taking my bat n ball home’ approach, the blame will be squarely at Gavin Williamson’s door if they are allowed to get away with this cruel and despicable torture of our children. He has already failed to get them into line once. He must not fail again!
For a court case to be taken a childs name has to be attached to avail of legal financial support. A parent taking the case would need to self fund.
There has to be discussions underway somewhere to take these people to court for such rules and threats in schools you’d think. As soon as a child is excluded for not wearing a mask they’d be in hot water as there is no law to back it.
we will be picking the bones out of lockdown for 20 years
There will be trials and enquires and they will just tie up the results, we will never get to see them, when they are published they will be spread out and buried in 1,001 reports and pages and pages of documents.
Yes, sadly I think you are right. Roll on the revolution!
they can’t hide it. After the winter everyone will see that Sweden was right. There will be plenty or people shouting it and plenty of people denying they ever agreed with lockdown. Iraq WMD came out eventually. That would have been easier to hide. You can’t hide this. People either die or they don’t
The example of Sweden has been in plain sight front of us for at least four months. I doubt one person in a hundred in this country has noticed it though.
the media has been mis-reporting their figures in an attempt to support lockdown here. These mass delusions only carry on for so long.
The MSM have always brought in the care home numbers and the argument gets lost. Doesn’t help that Sweden’s economy was hit most badly by other countries’ lockdowns.
Burying the bones more like. Not one of the instigators will suffer though, only ordinary people, kids, elderly, disabled and so on. I really don’t have words for the how callous these morons are being. Is it still illegal to ‘hate’?..
Got this one through the Daily Wail’s non-modertaion on the story about Tory MPs now starting to kick up a fuss as polls show they are in trouble:
“So now the MPs say something. For 6 months they have been silent and supine including the 1922 committee refusing to answer letters, not holding Government to account, silent while policies designed to drive up deaths were followed, silent while the NHS let people die alone and with out human contact, silent while the social fabric of the country was destroyed, silent while they turned people and families against each other, silent while they made millions unemployed, silent which drove millions into debt and hunger, silent while the NHS shutdown and will cause hundreds of thousands of collateral deaths and silent while this country is being deliberately destroyed and now they speak up because polls show they are in trouble. They should all of them including Starmer who wants a longer, harder lockdown be out of power today.”
Now they look like they will lose an election they start asking questions.
Why have they all been silent and therefore culpable in the past 6 months? Craven, supine cowards.
Ditto the Democrats in the U.S., now starting to criticise the riots and deaths because the polls are going against them.
The Tories are no better than the Democrats and have been following the same policies. The only difference is that we don’t (yet) have widespread rioting and violence on the streets.
Great comment Awkward, chilled me to the bone to read it. I don’t have your ability to write like you do, in fact language and description of what is now happening is repeatedly failing nowadays. My Missus has noticed that I swear much more than I used to…
I suspect we all do. Even my very clean-mouthed friend dropped several b words last time we spoke.
I told my MP that due to her “supine acquiescence” she is responsible for the the worst calamity to ever befall the British Isles for a very very long time.
Not that that made any difference to her of course.
Thanks Awkward.
Have copied this and will send it to my useless Tory Guildford MP, Angela Richardson – who has not even acknowledged my two previous emails.
Have also sent her this link to a good article:
https://conservativewoman.co.uk/our-supine-mps-and-the-surrender-of-freedom/
Glad you liked it.
My anger is building by the day.
Covid Laws= Nuremberg Laws
Oh how history repeats itself
Seeing Alan Jones on Sky Australia reminds me of Walter Kronkite re Vietnam war and the way he changed US opinion. Hope Alan can do the same in Australia. Meanwhile in the UK….
Alan Jone is good to see. His voice is needed in that latest situation and the rest.
Can anyone explain the obvious coporate difference between Sky Aus and Sky Uk? How can the same brand hold such opposite political stances? Is there a known working policy I’m unaware of? Thanks.
I was also wondering the same.
Also, interesting to note that in the U.S the main dissenting voice on MSM is Tucker Carlson on Fox.
Plus, yesterday, Simon Dolan linked to a Sun article (which was also posted here) showing the ridiculously small odds of anyone dying from covid in the UK.
Fox, Sky and the Sun are all Murdoch-owned.
Murdoch himself is definitely part of the billionaire/’big money’ establishment, and will be onboard with the ‘Great Reset’ project.
So in the end are we still being played?
Murdoch papers and media are definitely pro-lockdown and harsh measures apart from a couple of columnists / presenters. I think they feel like they have to throw a few crumbs to the sceptics every now and again – but they are full steam ahead with the great reset and social engineering project. The Times has become like an establishment mouthpiece this year – perhaps it always was but i didn’t notice before!
Murdochs son gave a very large donation to BLM recently so he is very much behind the chaos going on in America. They play us for a fool.
Sky UK is owned by Comcast-I think Sky Australia is owned by News Corp Australia
Yep that is the critical difference.
Interesting the identities remain so alike. Thanks for all the info above.
It’s is on my mind this is msm regardless so better to keep that in mind than subscribe to any single outlet.
Comcast are mooted to be making a take over bid for Black Lives Matter
Murdoch sold Sky UK to ComCast a couple of years ago.
I’d like to think that you were right. But the 1960s-70s was a different era, with a solid baseline of opposition that is invisible today.
This is a much more controlled era – society has advanced backwards.
Dr Fauci being grilled.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf0pYH-sqWk
All very sad Stefarm. I am sure we are all in the same boat too. How could the government have not understood what their policies would do. Funerals not attended, people alone and afraid, friendships lost. Suicides are definitely much increased as my critical care anaesthetist friend tells me. He feels in such a powerless place. He is like us, can’t make the Government change tack and can’t help the poor people who have reached the limits of their resources and ended their lives.
They understood perfectly. Government is not our friend.
“Hospital has ‘closed its doors’ to patients, LMC warns NHS
England
GP leaders have written to NHS England to demand that an NHS hospital trust urgently restores routine referrals as it has ‘closed its doors’ to some patients, ‘destabilising’ practices in the process.
Oxfordshire LMC said local GPs are ‘concerned and angry’ about the ‘ongoing closure’ to routine referrals across multiple ‘high-demand’ specialties by Oxford University Hospital Foundation Trust, while warning GPs are also being asked to carry out tests that should be done in hospital.
A ‘significant’ number of specialties are affected, including ENT, general gynaecology, dermatology, ophthalmology, endoscopy and urology, as well as plastics and maxillofacial, it added.
The hospital trust said it had remained open for urgent and emergency care and was accepting clinically urgent and suspected cancer referrals, while reinstating services to support ‘the vast majority’ of routine referrals.
In April, NHS England told GPs to continue referring patients to secondary care despite restrictions on elective care due to Covid-19.
Last month, it outlined that trusts must make their e-referrals service ‘fully open’ to GPs.
But Oxfordshire LMC has this week written to NHS England and the council of governors at OUHFT to demand that there are ‘no further delays’ in restoring the services amid concerns of ‘patient harm’.
It said: ‘The LMC believes the continuing closure of some specialty services to routine referrals is now so serious for patients that it has taken a decision to formally raise the concerns of Oxfordshire’s GPs with NHS England.’
Oxon LMC chair Dr Raman Nijjar added that GPs are being asked to carry out tests that ‘should be done in hospital’ and are ‘unable to progress a patient’s care in the way they wish’ because services remain closed.
He said: ‘The reopening of these services for routine referrals is now urgently needed.
‘This disturbing situation at Oxford University Hospitals must not continue as it’s causing anxiety to patients and also having a deeply destabilising effect on local doctors’ surgeries.’
Joint chief executive of the regional LMCs Dr Matt Mayer added that the trust’s position ‘appears to be at odds with the national picture, which sees most hospitals again accepting all routine patient referrals’.
The LMC added that it is ‘understandable and a necessity’ that hospitals have had to focus on urgent unplanned care due to the coronavirus pandemic.
‘But our biggest local hospital cannot effectively close its doors on some of its patients for many months and give up on some of its healthcare duties in this respect,’ it said.
In a joint statement from OUHT and Oxfordshire CCG, the organisations said: ‘Throughout the pandemic, OUH was able to treat Covid-19 patients by asking staff to move from their normal activities to support affected patients. OUH remained open for emergency and urgent care, but in line with the rest of the UK routine and elective procedures were stopped.
‘During Covid-19, OUH continued to accept clinically urgent and suspected cancer referrals from GPs, and continued to carry out urgent and emergency treatment.
‘OUH is now able to reinstate services to support the vast majority of routine referrals, including plastic surgery and urology. GPs can continue to make routine referrals across all specialties, but some areas in high demand will see patients seen and treated outside of OUH.’
They added: ‘Patient and staff safety is an absolute priority for us, and we need to reinstate services in a safe and effective way.’
It comes as health secretary Matt Hancock this month signalled that he wants GPs to continue to consult patients who would typically be seen in secondary care – with specialist help – after the Covid-19 pandemic comes to an end.
Throughout the Covid-19 pandemic, GPs have warned that they are managing more patients ‘outside their comfort zone’ due to increased ‘workload dumping’ from secondary care services.
Last month, an audit by the Royal College of Physicians revealed some specialties could take up to two years to clear their referral backlog – following similar concerns raised by GPs in Liverpool.
And GP leaders warned that hospitals rendered ‘untouchable’ by coronavirus measures were still rejecting around 75% of referrals and ‘reverse delegating’ patients back to their GPs.
At the beginning of the pandemic, NHS England had acknowledged that there would be reduced capacity in secondary care but said that GPs should continue to refer.”
The GPs are extremely unhappy about all this.
Several have commented that the hospitals are getting paid whether they see patients or not, so they’re not seeing patients, just bouncing referrals back to GPs.”
http://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/hospital-has-closed-its-doors-to-patients-lmc-warns-nhs-england/20041326.article
BobT posted earlier today about PCR testing and the fact that positive tests would be negative if they reduced the number of cycles. He tried a calculation of the impact.
This work has actually been done in a New York lab – I don’t have the source other than a quote from the Daily Mail here:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8679307/Experts-say-USs-coronavirus-positivity-rate-high-tests-sensitive.html
“New York’s state lab Wadsworth analyzed cycle thresholds values in already processed COVID-19 PCR tests and found in July that 794 positive tests were based on a threshold of 40 cycles.
With a cutoff of 35, about half of those tests would no longer qualify as positive. About 70 percent would no longer be judged positive if the cycles were limited to 30.
In Massachusetts, from 85 to 90 percent of people who tested positive in July with a cycle threshold of 40 would have been considered negative if the threshold were 30 cycles, Mina said.
‘I would say that none of those people should be contact-traced, not one,’ he said.”
Now that deaths and hospitalisations have disappeared, all the concentration is on ‘cases’. But, 90% of the time a ‘case’ is not even an ‘infection’. More proof of the comment that, overwhelmingly, the main symptom of testing positive is that you are perfectly healthy.
People simply don’t ‘get’ this – I sent the link, and Toby’s charts from yesterday, to a sensible friend who believes the gov’t has been doing its best in a tricky situation – and from his reply I could see the light-bulb switching on.
is the daily mail the leading sceptic newspaper? I don’t read them.
Steve, I don’t read them either but that’s two stinging articles in two days that I have read from them. And the comments sections are great! I will be paying a little more attention to the DM in the next few days and weeks but my BS filters will be on the high setting!
I follow the links to them from here and like to look at the best comments which always show how the wind is blowing! telegraph seems to do some sceptic stuff. Not sure about express. Guardian, I read the CIF for a laugh. Its just teachers who dont want to go back to work I think
No. Its fear mongering has been off the scale for months, with a very occasional sceptic article thrown in.
the articles are getting more sceptical. Peter Hitchens writes for Mail on Sunday which has a different editor.
“NHS England has encouraged GPs to ‘keep patients away from hospital’, despite recent messages to restart routine care.
In the latest update to the GP standard operating procedures, NHS England said GPs should continue to use specialist advice and guidance ‘where available’ to avoid referring patients for outpatient appointments.
But GP leaders said the guidance is ‘disingenuous’.
Throughout the Covid-19 pandemic, GPs have warned that they are managing more patients ‘outside their comfort zone’ due to less support from secondary care services.
And one LMC last week warned NHS England that its local hospital has ‘closed its doors to patients’.
However, the standard operating procedure reiterated that GPs should ‘continue to refer patients’ to secondary care, basing judgements around urgency on ‘usual clinical thresholds’.
The document said: ‘GPs should continue to use specialist advice and guidance where available to inform the management of patients in primary care and avoid unnecessary outpatient activity.
‘These services should strengthen existing care pathways and keep patients away from hospital settings unless a referral is necessary.’
It added that they should take into consideration the ‘need for non-face-to-face consultations, likely delays in restarting routine elective activity and communicating likely delays to patients at point of referral’.
Lincolnshire LMC medical secretary Dr Kieran Sharrock told Pulse that the guidance is ‘disingenuous’.
He said: ‘We don’t make referrals just because we feel like doing them – we only make them when we feel they’re necessary.
‘Clearly we have to try and avoid sending patients to hospital where there’s a risk of Covid and so what we should be able to do is make referrals and then the hospital assesses whether or not the patient needs to be seen.’
Dr Sharrock added that not all specialties in Lincolnshire are accepting advice and guidance referrals, while others follow pathways that create delays which could mean the referral ‘doesn’t actually happen’.
He said: ‘For instance, you make a referral for advice and guidance and the advice is ‘refer this patient to see me in outpatients’, which just creates delay for the patient [and] bureaucracy for the GP practice.
‘We don’t really understand why if a specialist feels they need to see a patient they can’t just refer them directly to their own clinic or make some arrangement to assess them virtually via video consultation or telephone.’
He added: ‘We are warning patients [about delays] but if they then do want us to refer because we can’t manage their condition then what other choice do we have?’
Since April, NHS England has told GPs to continue referring patients to secondary care despite restrictions on elective care due to Covid-19.
Last month, it outlined that trusts must make their e-referrals service ‘fully open’ to GPs.
But an audit by the Royal College of Physicians revealed some specialties could take up to two years to clear their referral backlog – following similar concerns raised by GPs in Liverpool.
Meanwhile, health secretary Matt Hancock this month signalled that he wants GPs to continue to consult patients who would typically be seen in secondary care – with specialist help – after the Covid-19 pandemic comes to an end.”
http://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/gps-should-keep-patients-away-from-hospital-says-nhs-england/20041358.article
I think that the actual NHS England management/bureaucracy at national level needs close examination.
Staff working for the NHS have received a lot of slagging – but it is what is imposed on them that is suspicious.
Who is making these absurd decisions; to whom do they owe allegiance; how were they appointed to their roles?
Jeremy Hunt says UK should embrace repeat testing as route to more ‘normal life’
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/02/mass-weekly-covid-19-testing-of-population-to-be-trialled-in-england
Here’s the tell:
….. “I think this mass testing could potentially be linked to an app on your phone so that you could show people on your phone the last time you got tested.”
Hunt said mass testing was the key tool against the virus before a vaccine was developed. “In fact, if you had population testing there’s no reason why you, theoretically, would need to have social distancing: you could pretty much carry on life as normal because you’d just know that everyone you’d mix with had been tested very, very recently,” he told ITV’s Acting Prime Minister podcast.
….. In Southampton, the second phase of the pilot will trial the weekly testing at the University of Southampton and four Southampton schools. More than 2,100 pupils and staff across four schools will be invited to have a test.
Another u-turn?
The schools minister, Nick Gibb, said last month there were no plans to test pupils and teachers without symptoms. “The advice that we have is that it’s better to test when people actually show symptoms,” he said.
So just like the ‘plan’ in the Irish infection passport then…hmmmm
Here’s a radical thought Mr Hunt: Ignore the bullsh1t and carry on as normal. You’re welcome!
Jeremy Hunt is an idiot.
In his comments on 21st July 2020 as Chair of the parliamentary Committee on Health and Social care he stated quite clearly that social distancing was law in England.
I wrote to him to put him straight on this and a few other things he said during that hearing and he never even acknowledged the e-mail with an auto-reply.
Just to point out. Flashing you phone screen at some door goon isn’t going to work. A screen capped Tested:Go:Green:AOK image can be fired around the internet faster that a sneeze of your favourite virus.
The pass system will be hooked back in to large databases.
I know this is all obvious!
Lunatic, there’s no other word. Maybe the app can also keep track of any negative thoughts. Come to think of it, isn’t that exactly what the Chinese are doing? Restrict your freedom if you don’t comply.
Given what we know, and what the WHO once said (which is that testing is a daft idea in terms of controlling infection on a wide scale), it seems to me that there are only about three reasons for advocating such a measure :
Prompt email from my daughter’s headteacher today, about my concerns for her restart on Monday.
“Thank you for your email. I have forwarded the email I opened today to the Health and Safety Advisor at Wrexham LA. We are following Welsh Government Advice and guidance which is statutory for Welsh schools.”
So her hands are tied. But at least she’s forwarded my email further up the chain.
“My aim is to ensure all pupils, staff, their families and our school communities are kept as safe as possible. I need to also ensure parents are confident that we are putting measures in place to reduce as much transmission as possible. I have had many positive comments from Parents across all 3 schools to thank us for this .”
So a lot of these measure are evidently to persuade the tremblers that their little ones are safe to return to school.
I was also informed that I am only able to converse with my daughter’s new teacher via telephone.
She did say this to me:
“As far as I am aware the transmission of COVID is more likely for all adults, which is why we need to continue to adhere to the guidance. “
Can any of you help with suggestions on how I can respond to that claim with a few facts and figures explaining the likelihood (unlikelihood!) of transmission at this moment of time? And indeed whether transmission is actually something to be worried about – quite a few of the children live with relatives who are ‘shielding’, by the sounds of things.
Thanks!
Didn’t someone quote yesterday that there is currently a one in 44,000 chance of contracting covid 19 in the UK? Or was it even lower than that?
That figure will surely be based on ‘postive tests’. Yet we now know that most positive tests don’t show that a person has an active and transmissible virus, merey viral fragments. I suspect the chances are far more remote than that.
I’v been trying to tie down that figure, but it is difficult, since there is so much estimate in any calculation.
The ONS Covid Survey, which, although flawed is, I think, honest, comes up with a current mid-estimate of 1 in 1,900.
However, this is derived from PCR testing.
If we take a figure (highly contestible) of 28% being the rate of positive tests that actually indicate infection and illness, the we end up with a mid-point estimate of ~ 1 in 7000 to 10000.
We then need to re-calculate according to the odds of actually catching Covid from such a low probability of actually meeting it.
Can anyone do any better?
It means that my estimate a couple of weeks ago of 1:100.000 of dying from Covid is several magnitudes too high..
Tim Harford, I think. Today is one in 40,000. Was on Jeremy Vine at lunchtime.
What’s the council HS+E got to do with anything?
It’s up to the individual premises to do their own research and risk assessemnt.
I have it in writing form the local councils down this way they have :
Take them out of the poor performing Welsh education system. See if your chldren can get into an English school. Bishop Heber in Malpas is particularly good and has buses that pick students up in Wrexham
I really wonder what the Behavioural Insights Team are playing at when reading what they are doing the education sector. It’s like they are conditioning the young to be subservient, submissive and unquestioning of authority. If they get away with this for a long period of time they will change the behaviour of an entire generation.
The Behavioural Insights Team are pretty much the puppet masters at the moment but don’t receive any media or public scrutiny (hardly anyone is even aware of our new rulers). Ministers seem like spokespeople who take all the criticism and MPs -what is the point of them now?
Remember that according to UK column several months ago, the long-term intention is for schools never to re-open..
I don’t think that is an objective – they are too useful as potential tools of social control.
UK Column does some good analysis of Covid, but I find some of its other obsessions a bit barking.
They certainly do a very good job highlighting the real power structure behind government. There are a lot of people with much more power than MPs and Minister who are completely unknown by the public or seemingly the media.
I don’t think it’s too much to say that the state is waging a propaganda war on its own people.
Squid, I think it’s a fact. In fact it’s just a fact. No other explanation works to my way of thinking.
Agreed. And there is a term for those who intentionally use means to spread terror throughout a population.
It is a fact. Look at the SPI-B documrnts from sage. Army top brass even questioned in public forum the fact that 77th Brigade is being used to set social media narratives.
I find them sinister in the extreme. They will know full well that responding to irrational fears with ‘safety measures’ serves to legitimise and reinforce anxiety. Those who seek excessive reassurance and protection can never be satisfied. I think (I respect that others disagree) that there is more cockup than conspiracy going on, but the advice of this group has been intentionally damaging and indefensible.
What worries me is that authoritarian regimes have often used the safety argument to remove civil liberties and individual freedoms.
During my lifetime I have seen many freedoms taken away to supposedly keep us safe, but it usually turns out the dangers were greatly exaggerated. Funnily enough the freedoms never comeback – and new dangers keep emerging.
The Technology now available to authorities makes mass surveillance and population control easier than ever. Technology today could certainly do the work of tens of thousands of Stasis officers.
Totally agreed. I’m off to watch Demolition Man again…
Indeed. It is incredibly effective. Every new measure ups the sense of threat and vulnerability in the population who then embrace the next step.
“It’s like they are conditioning the young to be subservient”
This has been the case for a long time, with the concept of ‘training’ subsuming ‘education’ in the development of the National Curriculum.
.. although this is obviously more extreme.
The trouble is they simply don’t care about any downsides to their actions. The difference between a psychologist and a behavioural scientist is like the difference between a beekeeper and a kid with a stick: both have some understanding of what happens when you whack a hive with a stick, but only one of them actually cares what the bee feels about it.
I many ways, today’s items are as depressing as anything we have seen from March onwatds.
The real situation :
As William Farr said : “The death rate is a fact; anything beyond this is an inference.”
... and the inferences now being drawn, in terms of real science are pure fiction.
And yet …
And it seems like the data doesn’t matter any more. Reality doesn’t matter. Only the narrative and the growing totalitarianism.
I’ve said it before but early 1930’s Berlin anyone?
I wouldn’t want to get into simplistic comparisons – but you are right in essence about the manufacturing of consent about societal ‘infection’ and ‘hygeine’ as the basis for totalitarian measures.
The picture of August Landmesser in a crowd saluting Hitler is often in mind these days.
It’s the fact that we can plainly see it happening.
It’s obvious for all of those who are paying attention.
And yet, it just keeps on getting worse without any significant pushback.
And before you know it, it’s too late.
I have had this argument with lockdown advocates over at the Spectator. They don’t want to know. They say that lockdown suppresses the virus, and that’s it. They are so absorbed in their model of infection that they simply don’t care about the social or economic cost.
I expect they like lockdown. Humans have a huge capacity to think that what is in their personal interest is also morally right. When they don’t like lockdown they’ll change their mind. I expect the end of furlough and unemployment will see a tidal wave of scepticism. If the government want to prolong this (for whatever reason) they just need to extend furlough
Week ending 31 Aug, 7 patients under investigation with definite COVID19 out of close to 5 million patients across the RCGP & RSC network:
https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiZTU5ZDE5MGYtMzUzMy00ZjRmLTg4MGEtMTM3ZGJiZDNhODFkIiwidCI6IjZiOTAyNjkzLTEwNzQtNDBhYS05ZTIxLWQ4OTQ0NmEyZWJiNSIsImMiOjh9
Can you explain this ‘under investigation’ analysis?
A really informative and thought provoking article, if you only read one thing this day/week/month about the fraudulent pandemic then this is it:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8689021/There-no-second-wave-UK-Oxford-expert-says.html
Please also read the comments!
I know it has already been posted by others but I think it is so important to read that I’ve reposted.Apologies, I wouldn’t normally.
I’m not a Daily Mail reader either…
It’s heartening to see all the sceptic, anti-narrative comments appearing in the past week or so.
I think my comments a e now 160 to 12 in favour of scepticism.
Maybe the tide is at slack tide.
I must admit I go over there and upvote anything sceptic and downvote the coronaphobics
It’s been largely sceptical for a while. The problem comes when given an opportunity to judge others, the commenters can’t help themselves!
It’s the fault of the young
… the old
… the migrants
… Northerners
… Brexit
Rather than seeing the actual root of the problem.
Classic divide and conquer sometimes in the Mail.
I never understood the Mail’s editorial stance until I understood it was anything for the clicks…
I just like posting sceptical comments, see if they get through the non-moderation and then see who it winds up or annoys so I can answer them.
them seem to go quite when you quote a few facts at them for some reason.
It might be early to see where the tide is at the moment but I am thoroughly heartened to see so many skeptical people and comments, I sometimes feel very isolated locally, none of my neighbours even question the narrative. My wife keeps telling me that I’m not alone, she’s on Facebook and there are a lot of like minded people on there apparently. Speaking of tides, I don’t suppose a freak tide, say a tsunami, going against the current BS narrative might be possible? I shall aim a few prayers to any gods that might listen…
Ps. Bet Handycock turns into a floater…
To avoid a £10,000 fine, any protest should be designated as a BLM protest. Apparently the virus knows the difference, and the fines don’t apply.
Welcome to 2020, the year the world lost its collective mind.
Notting Hill people have been threatened, so unfortunately I fear this won’t work.
There is no doubt in my mind that a lot of teachers up and down the country are doing a variation on the old tactics of “Roger the Dodger” from the Beano: if somebody asks you to do something that you don’t want to do, just do a really terrible job of it so that eventually they give up. In this case, they don’t want to teach (many of them have NEVER wanted to teach, and have done it as a last resort because they have nothing else they can do), so they are making school as miserable as possible and conniving with each other to ensure that schools will close at the drop of a hat.
They have been on full pay (not 80%) since lockdown began, and will stay on full pay if their school closes again, so they have nothing to lose whatever happens.
My friend is a teacher and is desperate for a second wave and lockdown because he hates teaching
!!!!!!!
remember the old adage .. those that can, do. those that can’t, teach
Some really interesting content from Carl Heneghan and others on the BMJ podcasts:
https://www.cebm.net/bmj-talk-evidence-podcast/
To add to the ‘everything is a symptom of coronavirus infection’. I mean how ridiculous – how common is upset stomach in kids?
“Diarrhoea, vomiting and abdominal cramps in children could be a sign of coronavirus infection, UK researchers say.
The Queen’s University Belfast team has been studying children and says this may be worth adding to the checklist of things to watch for.
Currently, the officially recognised symptoms in the UK are a fever, cough and loss of smell or taste.
Anyone with any of these should isolate and get tested for the virus.
The US Centres for Disease Control already lists nausea or vomiting and diarrhoea among possible Covid-19 symptoms.”
These are all symptoms of any flu virus and always have been FFS!
‘could’
The most common symptom is being perfectly fit and well.
I saw a post recently that in Portland. Oregon they should look out for sores on feet in addition to all the usual symptoms. Oh, yes, suddenly a runny nose as well.
Read this earlier this morning on the internet then saw The Spingler’s comment just now about symptoms of coronavirus and thought upset stomach etc in kids and this comment mentions botulism being released in Spain later this year, bit of a coincidence
Synchronicity or what?
Where did you see this comment?
It’s on this website:
82.221.129.208
Guy called Jim Stone.
Can be a bit sensationalist (not in the way of Alex Jones though), seems to be very well connected from his past career he said was in “intelligence” but over the past few years he’s come up with some doozies that have been proved correct eventually.
He is completely independent, doesn’t pay the “internet tax” that goes wherever it’s paid to (read it’s ultimately the UN but still researching) just uses the direct IP address so cannot be found on Google searches easily and officially is part of the dark web that doesn’t really exist except in the minds of the MSM.
All google do is search the central database of internet sites that pay the “tax”, they don’t search every web page individually.
“Dark Web” is just the name of sites that do the same as him so go unregistered on the database.
Great, thanks. Certainly won’t be accessible from a work computer!
I’d also recommend using a VPN. I put it to a server in Mexico, Japan, Brazil or somewhere.
Doing this also turns up a lot of more interesting hits during searches or set duckduckgo to a different country from the UK and see the difference in results.
If you put in the IP address and it doesn’t show what I put at the top delete everything after the 8 and hit enter as sometime as you will be redirected to an old page or a message saying this page does not exist.
Should then go to the latest page dated 2-3 September at the moment.
Once you’ve been on a few times this redirection seems to stop as you are now a regular so whoever/whatever is doing the redirecting seems to know that you are aware of what is going on and gives up. happened to me in the beginning or if I used a new computer
This tip was given to me by someone a lot more knowledgeable about all this cyber stuff than me.
Happened to some guys at work as well, I could get on the most recent page, they couldn’t as they were “new” but I could even though we were in the same room typing in the same IP address but on different laptops and tablets. I was the only one who got the correct page until they had done the above.
Much appreciated advice. We all need to start sharpening our dark web browsing skills because I have a horrible feeling that there is going to be a massive internet purge around the time the vaccine is due to be deployed (my guess being this will be before the end of the year).
Independent pages already being shadow banned, deleted etc – look at google, youtube, farcebook and so on – so I agree it’s coming soon.
You know it’s got pretty bad when lockdown sceptics are driven onto the Dark Web! – all for a disease the CDC says only around 9k have directly died of in the US. What has amazed me is they had the nerve to take down the American Doctors website – chillingly authoritarian (and all supported by the tech kids at Silicon Valley)
This website will be top of the list for elimination when the time comes.
I have been copying the daily reports into a Word document for a couple of months now. I hope Toby has archiving/backup strategies in place should the website get taken down.
More synchronicity:
Ben Fulford at the weekend was saying that his sources told him that French military were planning to get rid of Macron as he’s upping repression against the people they are sworn to predict. Sounds like the situation in Spain.
Maybe the military will be the one stop stop this.
Will have to mooch round UK forces forums to see what gossip is going on about leave cancelled, mobilisations and training in October etc.
When you see Dictator Dan in Victoria and his SS police force you start to believe anything is possible! I sincerely hope there are enough good people in the military and police to stop the madness before it goes too far. But everyone always says ‘it’s different this time’. Evil never rests.
I see swimming as one of the big items missed due to lockdown. I get a lot of joy taking my two young children and it’s high on my list of early skills I want them to learn.
Though the new rules have meant I won’t be going back. This pool. In particular was always quite empty so was struggling for profit. But that’s why we enjoyed it, no hassle.
Now, it’s the polar opposite.
I took my daughters for swimming classes last night. Its quieter than normal, but 5% facemasks, none on staff. Kids loved it. They had a load of rules when they reopened a few weeks ago but they are just ignored (like the arrows on wetherpoons floors!)
Maybe on that basis it’s worth giving it a go. If they ignore it enough, and don’t require masks, I could maybe still try it.
lesiure centres, pubs and restaurants seem to be islands of normality
spent a lot of lockdown wild swimming with them
Yes, I’ve been doing sea swimming. Couldn’t believe it the other day when the BBC were on about socially distancing from compass jellyfish, and they weren’t really joking.
Absolutely MENTAL rules. No backstroke or butterfly. For goodness sake. Idiots making shit up as they go alone. Way too much power to the idiots.
The Deadly Virus ™ is transmitted in water droplets, so for your comfort and safety, the pool will be drained, and swimmers should now walk along the pool floor, maintaining social distancing.
That made me laugh but then I thought “Don’t give them ideas! Someone will do this. Fortunately very few bedwetter visit this site.”
Yes, I miss swimming too – used to go regularly but I can’t see my local pool reopening for a long time – even with all the bizarre restrictions.
Wow, that’s some list! ‘Shower 15 minutes……’ Does that mean stand in the shower for 15 minutes before going to the pool or have a shower 15 minutes before driving to the pool? Why is 15 the magic number? What if you live half an hour away and only shower for 10 minutes. For goodness sake. Can you imagine the amount of chlorine in the water? Surely enough to kill anything
Our pool won’t even allow children back to swimming yet unless they are having formal lessons.
The author has quoted Zero Hedge, but it should be pointed out that “Tyler Durden” is not a real person. Quoting wikipedia:
“Zero Hedge in-house content is posted under the pseudonym Tyler Durden.”
Tyler Durden was a character in the film “Fight Club” played by Brad Pitt.
“His name is Robert Paulson”
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=His%20name%20is%20Robert%20Paulson
This is the founder and editor of the site:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Ivandjiiski
Zerohedge have also been big fear mongers on rising cases too. Those who comment on their page regularly remind them of this
Zerohedge were initially full on sceptics. Purely co-incidentally, they went to fear mongering after a spat with Google which was going to remove their ads from the site.
It should also be pointed out that most people on here don’t live inside a bearded clam.
Ooh matron
you’re not supposed to talk about that!!!
Have you forgotten the first rule!
I am very suspicious of the CAMRA story in the Daily Mail, it looks like subtle state propaganda (or perhaps I could be wrong and it is just a promotion tactic). The organisers statement looks like it has been written by a PR person / civil servant, what are the chances of the organiser having ‘permanent’ (is it really?) lung damage due to Covid (I assume they have been busy working for months to hold this event). It seems too much of a coincidence to me.
“As someone who has suffered lasting lung damage after contracting COVID-19, I am all too aware how serious the illness can be and the devastating and long-term impact it has had on so many of us.”
Does anyone else think this could possibly be fake news?
Yes, if its in the Daily Mail
Agree, working for a newspaper just gives you free rein to lie at the moment. I bet the so called journalists are having the time of their lives scaring the population senseless.
Yes I did think it was very odd
Glad I am not the only one with a suspicious mind!
if that is tasteless and insensitive what about Sky news pandemic ident with the moving virus particles?
I believe the glasses are a deliberate ploy to constantly remind everyone at the event of the virus a bit like the Sky News rubbish. The article doesn’t state if any glasses other than the one in the picture have been produced / or if they will be scrapped.
Just sent to my local MP, who is a junior Health Minister.
Dear xxxx,
Give your Ministerial position, I suspect that you know a good deal about how test cycles and PCR testing for Covid19 works. This letter assumes such knowledge.
I don’t usually get my information from the Daily Mail, but I suspect that many of your constituents will. Can I ask you to bring to Parliament’s attention two recent articles, covering broadly the same point:
The first is from today’s edition:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8689021/There-no-second-wave-UK-Oxford-expert-says.html
Here is a relevant extract from Professor Carl Heneghan (my emphasis):
Professor Heneghan …. said: ‘A very high number of [testing] cycles may detect fragments and give a positive result but a lower number of cycles is far more likely to identify infected and infectious individuals requiring quarantine.
‘Evidence is mounting that a good proportion of “new” mild cases and people re-testing positives after quarantine or discharge from hospital are not infectious, but are simply clearing harmless virus particles which their immune system has efficiently dealt with.
The second is from 30th August:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8679307/Experts-say-USs-coronavirus-positivity-rate-high-tests-sensitive.html
And I quote:
New York’s state lab Wadsworth analyzed cycle thresholds values in already processed COVID-19 PCR tests and found in July that 794 positive tests were based on a threshold of 40 cycles.
With a cutoff of 35, about half of those tests would no longer qualify as positive. About 70 percent would no longer be judged positive if the cycles were limited to 30.
In Massachusetts, from 85 to 90 percent of people who tested positive in July with a cycle threshold of 40 would have been considered negative if the threshold were 30 cycles, Mina said.
‘I would say that none of those people should be contact-traced, not one,’ he [Dr Michael Mina] said.
In brief, the current concentration on testing for ‘cases’ is too sensitive. It identifies, in the main, people who have traces of inactive viral particles which are not capable of transmission.
Since testing is the principal justification for local lockdowns and other Government actions, this matter needs to be brought to parliament’s attention.
Yours sincerely
Dear BTLnewbie,
We appreciate your engagement, we are currently working within government guidelines which are constantly under review in order to counter this devastating disease while we are still in the grip of this terrible pandemic.
We will continue to monitor this unprecedented and totally unique situation we find ourselves in regarding COVID19.
Let me assure you that we are now testing more people than ever before and will continue to keep vulnerable members of our community safe by following the strategy of test, track, trace and isolate.
I have every faith in the fact we as your government are following “The Science” and we are in constant communication with “Stakeholders” in order to cautiously ease restrictions in due course. Unfortunately many restrictions cannot be lifted untill there is a vaccine available to ensure the safe return to work, schools and social event.
Once again, we really appreciate your input.
Stay Safe!
Be Kind!
Your loving MP
xx
Brilliant – do you do this for a living?
Nope. I am sure I could a much better job than nearly every MP or their retarded young interns. £100000 a year? I would only have to work a year and that would do me FOR LIFE.
Is it me or is the twisted, cheating, lying media now changing the narrative from ‘cases’ to ‘infections’?
Yep. No context. If this is the bar then we all are probably infected with Strep and Meningitis. Run for the hills!!!
the pressure mounts-not just Alan Jones on Sky Australia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFzdaJUbvDk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DiF7khB0lI
Wow, you can hear and feel her utter contempt and hatred for ‘the establishment’. Well done girl!!!
The trouble with the main stream media is we don’t really know what to trust. I’d like to think it is genuine, but on the other hand we know the media is being controlled in a war time state fashion. They seem to give us a bit of hope only to take it away over the next few days. I wouldn’t be surprised if it is a scam to demoralise us further and make us feel more helpless.
Sky Australia seem to be pretty consistent with their messages though…
And this from Andrew Bolt, marvellous stuff.
https://youtu.be/GP9-z3jfnuQ
I wonder if the Victoria police would be so brave in arresting omeone of “no appearance”, given the propensity of certain groups to kick off.
One of our cousins got sectioned under the mental health act back in April. She went totally psychotic. She has just been discharged. Thanksfully she seems to be much better now.
The lockdown caused it, she was doing well at her job before lockdown and it was keeping her on the level.
From Twitter for your amusement:
Back to school time so here’s a new report ahead of the new academic term (inc Ofsted comments).
https://twitter.com/SirDanofC/status/1301425229613477888
So I emailed my local council leader trying to impress upon them the unreliability of PCR testing and that more testing pretty much guarantees more ‘new cases’ and I get a reply from his PA which has this nugget:
We are anxious to avoid this so our testing capacity and contact tracing have been increased to ensure if spikes do occur it doesn’t result in further restrictions either collectively or individually across the Borough.
Obviously the PA has not even read the email and just sent the stock template reply. I wonder if the leader of the local council gets to read any of his correspondance?
Also typical of MP’s, cut and paste only.
Boris Johnson’s drive to get workers back to the office has been postponed amid warnings that the Government’s own social distancing guidelines prevent firms from getting all of their staff back to their desks.
…. The Cabinet Office, which is in charge of the media blitz, also wants more civil servants to be back at their desks before ministers start to tell others to do the same.
…. Mr Johnson is understood to be keen to send out a strong message to the country that it is time to get back to the office, but some aides are urging caution after a recent rise in the infection rate.
…. He said “what the people of this country want” is to see all MPs back in Parliament, and urged Labour to join him in saying “it is safe to go back to work in a Covid-secure way”. He later told Tory MPs he wants Parliament to be “back to normal” by Christmas.
A recent rise in the R rate, which gauges the spread of infection, has concerned some of Mr Johnson’s aides, who want to wait for more evidence of the effect on the R rate of schools reopening before sending out a strong back to work message.
One senior minister said: “The Prime Minister is keen to push on with this but I’m not sure everyone around him is.” Matt Hancock, the Health Secretary, undermined the back to work message last week ….
…. Alex Brazier, a financial policymaker at the Bank of England, told a committee of MPs the Government’s own guidelines were preventing a mass return to office working.
He said: “With Covid-safe guidelines it is not possible to use office space with the intensity that we used to use it, so it is not possible to bring lots of people back suddenly.
…. The Government’s public information campaign is being coordinated by OmniGov, a division of the media agency Manning Gottleib OMD, and will involve advertisements being placed in local and national newspapers highlighting the benefits of returning to the workplace. It will also send out the message that workplaces are safe, but Government communications chiefs have yet to agree on a slogan that can match the simplicity of the Stay At Home message that proved so effective at the start of lockdown.
…. The Cabinet Office, which is run by Michael Gove, is understood to be concerned about sending ministers onto the airwaves to promote the back to work message without them being able to say their own departments are at maximum Covid-safe capacity. One Whitehall source said: “You can’t dictate to people what to do if you’re allowing your own staff to carry on working from home. People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones, as the old saying goes.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/09/02/campaign-get-britain-back-work-flounders/
Some great comments!
Some terrible ones too. There’s someone up there who has apparently been furloughed from the airline industry on 50% pay (I assume he’s above the Government pay threshold) who seems to be pushing the line that everyone should be forced back to the office and if the offices don’t have sufficient space they should just lay people off. Why? What possible benefit would there be in making loads more people unemployed and threatening the viability of businesses which have, so far, weathered the storm?
Indeed, a very strange proposal! The obvious solution is to scrap the social distancing requirements, restoring capacity.
My view entirely. I can only assume he just wants everyone to suffer as much as he thinks he has.
He must do. Coincidentally, my situation is almost identical to his, but rather than wanting others to suffer I’d much rather everyone just snapped out of this and returned to normal!
And we’re grateful for your good sense.
I’ve noticed a new narrative in public comments recently – calling sceptics ‘snowflakes’ and ‘betwetters’ for not wearing something as ‘trivial’ as a mask.
Anyone seen similar? I wonder if it’s a change in tack for the misinformation bureau.
So ‘funny’ that the most rabid mask fanatics are those who will also be frothing at the mouth about the waste and ocean pollution in a years time. Fucking bellends dismissing the government (and them) trying to dictate what I do with my face as trivial drives me mad… utter morons havent had an independent thought in years I suspect.
I counted more than ten face nappies lying on the ground yesterday on my way through town.
We need to turn it round with a standardised letter of unlimited liability to be signed by the Karen pushing the issue.
After all “if its only a mask” as they say, then they’ll have no problems signing the letter.
Best defence is a good offence and all that.
Don’t respond to their insults. They are clearly people of very low intellect so just keep calling them ‘muzzled morons’….
‘Sociopaths’ seems to be the latest pleasant description of the sane!
Another disturbing trend I’ve noticed is a change from simply saying that the non-masked are “making people sick” and “spreading infection”, to saying that they are “stopping society from getting back to normal” and implying (or outright stating) that if everyone masked up, the pandemic would just disappear in a matter of weeks.
In other words, people are encouraged to regard sceptics/anti-maskers in the same way that we regard the doomers and mask-zealots – that we/they are stopping society from returning to normal by their crazy, irrational behaviour. Divide and rule…
All this has been carefully calculated, the time of the deployment is the strategy.
Probably
Sounds like it as Bedwetters is what we call those sheeple who get indignant about any lessening in application of the guidance and snowflake for basically anyone recently out of school who cannot handle what we see as the old normal .. And i use both words very often
WestJet now requiring children over 2 to wear masks on flights:
Zero tolerance mask policy
Effective September 1, 2020, the WestJet Group will implement a zero-tolerance policy in support of the requirement for all guests over the age of two to wear masks and face coverings. Non-compliant guests will face penalties including denied boarding, return of the aircraft to the gate to offload the passenger and the suspension of travel on any WestJet Group aircraft for up to one year.
Non-compliance on board the aircraft will be managed through a three-step process:
Since April 20, 2020, it has been mandatory for travellers to wear protective face coverings throughout their travel journey, including at the airport, while in flight and at the airport. As outlined by Transport Canada, travellers requiring an exemption to the regulation for health reasons must produce a certified medical note or will be subject to the measures as outlined. Complete guidelines on non-medical masks are available here.
Ouch. That hurt.
If I had money to burn I’d pay for people just to board their flights, not wear masks, and have their planes continually returning to stand to offload them. They’d soon scrap the policy.
Westjet just sent me a gold card too. Guess I won’t get a chance to use it.
Sky just interviewed another ‘expert’ from London School of Hygiene and Tropical Diseases, Professor Julian Peto, regarding the new rapid testing strategy just announced by Handsy Hancock. Commented along the lines of ‘if people refuse to have a regular test they can be excluded from events’, and was about to go on to say something similar about vaccines when the interviewer cut him off as time was running out. Just who the F do these people think they are?
They are your masters your duty is to obey
They will not stop with this.
Frankly they can exclude me from everything. I cannot be around fucking idiot zombies wearing masks and repeatedly babbling the government and MSM scripts. I include family, (former) friends and (soon to be former) colleagues in this.
It seems to me that about the only thing which is going to stop this is economic collapse.
It’s awful to say, but I hope it comes soon – the sooner the better.
I had hopes – confidence even – that the British public would not stand for this garbage for very long. I was sadly mistaken. They are revelling in it. I don’t think I will ever again regard my countrymen in much esteem.
The UK seems slower than almost everyone else to get the economy going again. Maybe we’ll see a good-ole-fashioned run on the pound.
“ Just who the F do these people think they are?”
Small brains experienced in a limited field, with no concept of the world at large.
Just because I can take a bicycle apart doesn’t make me a winner in the Tour de France.
Especially if you can’t put it back together again.
They’ve been putting out the feelers for both mass testing and a digital health ID for about a week now. Must be pushing for a Chinese style testing ID to soften people up for the vax ID.
Amazed the Tropical Medicine School hasn’t been ‘cancelled’ due to the colonial implications of its name etc…?
Arrogant academic types. Maybe Pol Pot had the right idea after all.
Eric Hoffer mentioned in an interview that intellectuals/academics were fine–as long as they were kept out of politics. Otherwise you get what Thomas Sowell has termed “The Vision Of The Annointed”.
At least the comments on the Telegraph article about mass testing were overwhelmingly negative and sceptic – think Hancock may have pushed things too far.. People are clearly seeing the agenda now!
Apologies if this has already been posted here.
Democracy in some parts of Australia may be in ICU at the moment, but their media at least is showing some signs of fitness.
Alan Jones of Sky News Australia is scathing, but at least some of his colleagues are also in top form.
Rowan Dean, interviewed by Andrew Bolt for “The Bolt Report” doesn’t mince his words. I’d love to see this sort of language on British mainstream media.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut2bA48ASrw
Spain to carry on furlough scheme ‘indefinitely’
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-53989147
The State can giverth everything. It can also taketh away should you transgress the unwritten rule. Or the written.
Looks suspiciously like a universal basic income being introduced. Perhaps you could link receiving it to being a good citizens.
Very difficult to do that in Spain given it is part of the Eurozone. Perhaps they are expecting the Greeks to do all the work and then ship the output to Spain.
Or maybe their EU grant will pay for it. However they do it, it’ll end in tears. Nonsense like this always does.
Sounds like people are becoming domesticated to me:
Cowslip’s Warren in Watership Down
https://watershipdown.fandom.com/wiki/Cowslip%27s_Warren
Hazel and his friends believe that this is the perfect place for them, since the tenants seemed so healthy and safe. They overlook some odd tendencies like refusing to answer questions, reciting poetry, and building mosaics on the warren walls and decide to settle in. After repeated warnings from Fiver that the warren is not safe, Bigwig gets caught in a snare. The runaways from Sandleford Warren soon discover that what they thought was a new home is actually a death trap. The Cowslip rabbits refuse to help and get angry at Fiver for asking for them to release Bigwig. Once Bigwig is free, it becomes apparent that men snare the warren territory, but keep the rabbits happy with good food and only a few kills at a time. The Cowslip rabbits feel that this is a good enough trade for the safety and food they are offered and soon become odd and domesticated rabbits.
So they’re going for broke? Who will be popping them up financially?
The schools-related stories in this update are beyond belief! The current situation is beyond parody.
Closing the school for a fortnight because a single child had a sore throat (obviously this HAD to be Covid, it’s not as if kids ever get colds, sniffles and sore throats from other causes, is it?), and, in another school, a week’s exclusion for turning your head whilst in class? It’s almost as if they don’t actually want schools to reopen…
I can only hope we are at, or near, “peak madness”
Not a chance, we are only just getting started. The really dark stuff is yet to come.
If you know anything about Bedales you will be aware that the place has little to do with education. It’s where the likes of Bryan Ferry send their kids to learn how to shoplift in Petersfield and deface the Cenotaph.
Not to forget that Lily Allen went there.
We lived not far from Bedales once upon a time. Your assessment is spot on. The village shop had to impose strict rules on how many could enter the shop stealing to them was a badge of honour.
Truly ridiculous beyond stupid.
My grandchildren – when normally at school – develop mild symptoms like this with monotonous regularity.
Like almost children on the planet do until they establish base immunity.
The only question one can ask is ‘WTF’?
I have noticed a marked decline in the quality of school leadership with the growth of unaccountable kerrchinggg! academies – going back to Blair days. We are reaping the whirlwind.
Most bad things can be traced back to the days of Blair. He may have left office but his stench lingers on.
If the schools are going to close everytime someone gets a sore throat then they needn’t have bothered opening, as they are going to be closed virtually all the time anyway.
Didn’t UK column say months ago that ‘the plan’ was for schools to never open again?
Tell any teenagers you can that dermatologists are seeing an increase in teenagers with acute acne caused by face mask wearing…. “Wear a face mask get a pizza face” would be a cracking slogan!?!?
Is that why one of the ITV channels (ITV 2 I think) in the evening is sponsored by ACNECIDE face wash?
I think it is.
‘Mask a Pony’ cheese pizza?
Yerr, the teenagers might decide that masks are therefore a good thing. Hides the acne innit!
young lad on till at my local Aldi having real problem with rash on face from being forced to wear mask when shelf stacking. He’s been to doctors and been given cream .. But still has to wear mask
Look at the date!
https://www.biometricupdate.com/201909/id2020-and-partners-launch-program-to-provide-digital-id-with-vaccines#:~:text=The%20ID2020%20Alliance%20has%20launched%20a%20new%20digital,new%20partners%20in%20government%2C%20academia%2C%20and%20humanitarian%20relief
The program to leverage immunization as an opportunity to establish digital identity was unveiled by ID2020 in partnership with the Bangladesh Government’s Access to Information (a2i) Program, the Directorate General of Health Services, and Gavi, according to the announcement.
Love the disclaimer at the bottom:
“This post was updated at 4:58pm on March 26, 2020 to clarify that the program is intended to allow people to receive vaccination and prove they have received it, not to track individuals, as claimed by some conspiracy theorists.”
Yeah right. We have absolutely nothing to worry about then.
The UK governments new digital ID plans look suspiciously like ID2020 renamed. It really is laughable that Wikipedia has gone to the effort of calling anyone who questions ID2020 a conspiracy theorist – I consider myself as someone concerned about civil rights and liberties.
We are going to end up being forcefully signed up to government / UN plans on the back of a UN (WHO) declared pandemic. A complete injustice.
It’s not a conspiracy theory when it’s there in black and white, where they’re telling us what they’re doing. We’re just joining the dots.
There has been huge amounts written about ID2020 and the drive to get a global digital ID and health/criminal/biometric/DNA database mandatory for everybody. It’s been talked about for YEARS.
Various players have been advocating this for years. So has the logical extension of this, mandatory implantation of microchips in people to hold this data. Just as your pets have now.
The problem is that nearly everybody who talks about this is slapped with the conspiracy theorist tag and discounted immediately or ridiculed or actually accused of some how dare you kind of reaction.
They would never do that, how could they enforce it? I wouldn’t stand for that, how could just a few people control the whole world, you paranoid tin-foil-hat wearing loony etc….
Well……It’s our faces now isn’t it.
For those that still want to think it’s because of blundering silly old Borris the nappy-head or evil Twatt HandyCock bolstering his massive ego and share options and that we can vote our way out of this…
Do you STILL think we are crazy?
FFS.
Yes, it’s turned into a complete scam. I don’t believe the blundering Boris act for one second – he is clearly as cold and calculating as the worst of them. Won’t be fooled so easily next time when I vote.
At the rate we’re going, there won’t be a ‘next vote’.
Sir Graham Brady MP, Chair of the important 1922 Committee, speaks up for basic common sense, arguing that the Government need to use hospital admissions as the determinant of restrictive policies rather than the number of cases since the latter figure is heavily affected by the amount of testing taking place.
It’s blindingly obvious but why have have virtually no MPs made this pint publicly and forcefully before now! The economy is being wrecked by their silence.
a child can see that
That is an extremely significant shot across The Johnson’s bow. The Tories raison d’etre is being in power and the 1922 commitee is the guardian of the party. The tide really is on the turn and if the Johnson doesn’t wake up to it the parliamentary Conservative party will get rid of him…
That would be good. Most of the mp’s don’t like him much either so hopefully they will take action. The misinformation is beyond acceptable. This testing garbage, which means I can’t legally go and see my relatives in Manchester is a disgrace. Arse covering rather than leadership, local council standard not PM standard.
Fingers crossed, but who will replace him? If it’s Hancock, there’ll be a mass defection from the Tory party.
I think that, in political terms, Hancock is another dead man walking. His can will have “Hitler-lite, without the good bits” written on it.
Why on earth would they replace Johnson with Hancock?
I suspect that, in political terms, Johnson is a dead man walking. He’ll be kept long enough to see the conclusion of the Brexit negotiations, then he’ll be chained to the Covid can for him to carry the rest of his life.
So obvious. Maybe their silence is due to their lack of talent and intelligence
Or cowardice.
I don’t think even hospital admission data can justify removing our liberty and destroying our livelihoods.
It might do if the admissions were astronomically high, but they have not been, even at the height of this. The bar has been set far too low.
However high admissions are it does not imply that removing peoples liberty and destroying peoples livelihoods is going to have overall beneficial impact on hospital admissions. How has this concept come to be considered a cure for anything?
Regardless in my opinion our inalienable rights are not subject to government approval for any reason. Once the government is systematically violating them it is no longer a legitimise government.
If they were astronomically high people would “social distance” without being asked. It should never have been made compulsory.
The entire Establishment needs to be replaced.
Where’s he been the last 6 months?
He’s certainly not acknowledged any correspondence nor any other 1922 committee member.
Waste of space except in their own interest the lot of them.
Why is he only saying this now?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12559226/no-second-wave-coronavirus-just-testing-more/
Found this, interestingly, on the Boycott schools going back FB group. Someone concludes from it we have a 1% chance of dying. Heneghan’s all over the media
I can only conclude that they never went to school themselves if they get 1% from 1 in 2million. Just anti-education full stop!
Thank God for Heneghan!
Not even 1%. That’s just the percentage of deaths overall.
If it’s a percentage of the population, it’s more like 0.01% overall.
Comments strongly sceptical here:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/02/patients-dying-home-causes-covid-19-fuelling-excess-uk-deaths/
BBC are reporting that the US Centers for Disease Control is asking states to get rid of red tape to allow distribution of a potential vaccine by 1 November. Under the scenario being planned for, a vaccine would be rolled out for certain groups days before the US election.
ABC reports that in a letter to governors dated Aug. 27, Robert Redfield, director of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said states “in the near future” will receive permit applications from McKesson Corp., which has contracted with CDC to distribute vaccines to places including state and local health departments and hospitals.
“CDC urgently requests your assistance in expediting applications for these distribution facilities and, if necessary, asks that you consider waiving requirements that would prevent these facilities from becoming fully operational by November 1, 2020,” Redfield wrote.
He wrote that any waivers will not compromise the safety or effectiveness of the vaccine. The Associated Press obtained the letter, which was first reported by McClatchy.
Given the obvious level of international coordination about all of this, when do you think a vaccine will be rolled out in the UK? This is the greatest worry of all at the moment.
How could they possibly know whether the vaccine is safe or not?? There hasn’t been enough time to have done clinical trials and checked what the long-term effects are.
they don’t care. or maybe they had the vaccine already waiting in the wings? or perhaps that is exactly the plan, to vaccinate with some toxic slurry that is neither safe nor effective.
Or else, it is a saline placebo, given with the usual platitudes and caveats, such as not guaranteeing you immunity, so they can ditch all the bullshit and quietly bury the story.
Oh, and around a thousand CDC employees had signed a letter to the management requesting that the CDC designate “racism” as a health emergency.
Anything that comes out of the CDC will be highly suspect.
End of October?
London to Brecon for a covid test is such a brilliant idea I can’t believe the government hasn’t thought of it before.
Firstly, its Wales so they will be able to get some mask free shopping done while they are there and maybe even enjoy a walk in the beacons while waiting for their results – which will do them more good than a stick up the nose any day.
Secondly the round trip is about 350 miles so they have an almost infinitely higher chance of dying in a road traffic accident than they ever had of even catching covid, and that will rid the country of a car load of lockdown and mask zealots. (sad if you are the ones they crash into though I grant you).
Thirdly, the round trip is about 350 miles so it sticks a giant two fingers up at Saint Greta and her neo-puritan nazis.
Sounds like fun maybe we could organise a meet there? Masks and tests optional of course.
You may want to visit my new dating agency site, Sheepulike.com.uk
We’ve already got a very popular site like that here in Wales.
There is a similar one for bedwetters called SheeplikeU.com.uk
Regarding schools and the U.S. universities, it’s all part of the Marxist takeover, and in this country it’s with a complicit pretend conservative government. MPs are now supposed to be attending “unconscious racism bias” training, which is also just Marxist race theory. It’s pseudoscience, just as it is treating schoolchildren as vectors of an deadly virus which has caused the death of 800k worldwide out of over 7 billion, or around 0.016%, and that’s probably being generous, as we know governments and health authorities have been counting anyone and everyone who ever tested positive.
Is that training for MPs mandatory, and who is running it? Common purpose by any chance?
Spain not following the narrative.
Spain not headed back to lockdown, says health minister
Sam Jones
The current Covid-19 situation in Spain does not bear comparison with the peak of the pandemic in March, according to the country’s health minister, who has suggested a return to lockdown is unnecessary, writes Sam Jones, the Guardian’s Madrid correspondent.
On Wednesday, Spain recorded 479,554 cases of the virus, up from 470,973 the previous day. Madrid continues to be the hardest-hit region of the country, accounting for more than a third of the cases diagnosed over the past 24 hours and a similar proportion of the 99,621 diagnosed over the past fortnight.
However, Salvador Illa said things were not nearly as grave as they were six months ago.
“We’re seeing an increase in cases, but there’s no comparison with what we saw in March; the system isn’t overwhelmed,” he told Cadena Ser Catalunya radio. “We need to take concrete measures and we are.”
Costa announced in the last few minutes that 1,650 of their employees will be made redundant.
Covid collaborators; wake up, stop your ridiculous social distancing,burn those stupid face nappies and start living normal lives again before the only “jobs” left will be those of the so called “experts.
As someone said a while ago; “will you social distance and wear a face nappy while you’re queuing outside a”soup kitchen”?
I’m not sure that Barista jobs that could easily be done by a machine are the sort of jobs we want to be retaining.
“But what about the jobs, can I have a bailout” is the fastest way to Socialism by the back door. We already have tax credits propping up jobs that shouldn’t exist. Let’s not go any further down that road.
We need a different approach to making sure people have access to alternative jobs and an income at all times.
Majority of those workers will be young people,the young are certainly the ones counting the cost and paying the price of this lunacy,when is someone in parliament going to make a stand and be a voice for the young children and adults of the UK
“will you social distance and wear a face nappy while you’re queuing outside a”soup kitchen”?
If you want your soup ration you will.
No soup for face criminals
Wonder of Wonders
The BBC has just published some garbage reporting that people are watching horror films as a form of escapism from the tyranny (ok, ok they didn’t use the ‘t’ word)
What? escapism from the nightmare they have been promoting and shoving down our throats for the past six months
They are such thick bastards that they do not even recognise the irony
I wouldn’t call it escapism.
I’d call it research.
I’m watching Shaun of the Dead for my research.
The Walking Dead (an American TV series) seems an appropriate choice.
i watch One man and his dog for my research… Reminds me of going to the supermarket
American actor and former wrestler Dwayne Johnson ‘The Rock’ and his family have all tested positive for coronavirus despite taking precautions
That is because precautions will not help. Apart from that, a load of posturing bollocks.
Any celebs in hospital? Kate Garroways husband is repeatedly brought up as an example. He’s still in a coma they say.
This is nothing more than “The Dragon In My Garage”:
Most people that get infected follow the rules, wear masks and take precautions.
Funny how statistics work.
That only happened because they went and got tested. Don’t get tested! Simples!
Fauci in a senate(?) Hearing has many many great points put to him byway of a question. Fauci then explains he is unqualified to give instructions about what sports can or cannot be played. Fauci says he is giving his opinions of facts and this is the extrapolated by others into Fauci says such and such is not allowed.
https://youtu.be/cf0pYH-sqWk
Worthwhile listening. This may already have been posted.
“great points put to him”. American democracy seems in better shape than ours then, or their elected representatives are a bit more independent and don’t toe the party line
Everyone on Twatter is so up in arms about the Dettol ‘back to work’ ad in the London Underground. Sure, it was a bit of a blunder that Dettol didn’t feature its own brand name, but some of the comments are just so bitter and vitriolic.
For those who haven’t seen, the advert basically lists all the little things about office life and commuting that we have missed over lockdown – e.g. ‘Hearing an alarm. Putting on a tie. Carrying a handbag. Receptionists. Caffeine-filled air. Taking a lift. Seeing your second family. Watercooler conversations. Proper bants. The boss’s jokes. Plastic plants. Office gossip. Those weird carpets. Face-to-face meetings. Not having to make lunch.’ And so on and so forth.
Frankly I have missed these things and it just makes me so sad to see such bile directed at the ad. The types of people on Twatter who think this ad is cringey are precisely the kind of people who would have participated in ‘bants’, office gossip and watercooler conversations. They’ve just moved all of that online in the past 6 months and are so desperate to appear virtuous and like they’re saving us all by staying at home instead of going into the office. I feel like I’m the only one who can see the massive downsides to a concerted effort to work from home all the time. There has to be a reason why we’re one of the least productive countries in Europe and one of the slowest to return to the office. Perhaps the response to that ad indicates why.
I have loved from working from home and intend to carry on, but I am a grumpy old man. I feel for the youngsters in the office who have had the social side taken away from them, and indeed for the oldsters who like to talk face to face with colleagues.
I get that. During my last few years at work, I found it harder and harder to do the 3-4 hour commute every day. There were weeks I worked in a fug of fatigue. Working from home for a day or two helped, and I could concentrate on particular projects without interruption, but I actually liked being at work. I liked my work colleagues, and didn’t mind being there. It was just the getting there and getting home again that I struggled with.
When I was offered an opportunity to retire early, I took it, but I did miss it for a while.
I went to an office once in London, it was horrible.
Handbags, ties, bants, water coolers, lifts and anything “face to face” will be outlawed under covid-safe working regulations, surely?
Why not? They’ve destroyed the Health service, and schools. Why wouldn’t they destroy anything positive about going back to work.
I haven’t missed going into the office at all. 99% of my colleagues are zombies and in our absence the company have enforced the full suite of Covid safe regulations, so I will never be seeing any of them in person ever again. Good riddance to the bloody lot of them.
You have a point, I really want to go back the the office, partly to show the morons that it is safe and normal. At the moment it will only be people who see through the Coronabollocks in the office. However, once the bedwetters are there, I am not going to be able to resist slamming them down with facts every single time they open their cakeholes to talk about it, which will be all the fucking time. I’ll be sacked in no time for being a Coronabollocks-denier.
My place has just introduced mandatory temperature checks with mandatory testing if you are over 37.8 degrees (for whatever reason). Fuck that, I’m not going near the place.
You should see my office, it looks like a mass shooting has occurred as there is hazard tape everywhere. 80% of desks taped up Because staying 1m apart is insufficient – they have designed the layout so that no one ever passes within 2m of anyone else! One-way systems and no one to sit within 2m of where anyone else could possibly want to walk.
One person per lift, that’s going to be fun. So I guess instead of using the lift, people will have to climb the stairs, but hang on a sec, wouldn’t that mean people getting out of breath and touching the handrail, thereby spreading the evil ‘rona even more? Stupid logic (so inconvenient). In truth the office modifications have nothing to do with a virus and everything to do with looking like they are keeping people safe.
My wife’s office doesn’t have a limit on the numbers allowed in the lifts, but it does have signs asking people to face the walls while using them! Nobody actually does this of course.
Do they also require them to wear a dunce’s cap?
It’s like that film The Blair Witch Project, what a mad request.
Haha, maybe that will be next!
Apparently it’s mostly pretty chilled out, with just the odd strange request like that thrown in here and there. They’ve been open throughout so didn’t have to implement a load of nonsense to demonstrate to anyone that they were ready for a ‘grand reopening’.
She did discover one other odd process today though. The company has shuttle buses to take employees between sites, the subcontracting firm who operate the buses have a new policy of not using the onboard air conditioning to ‘stop the spread’!
Thanks for the great mental image!
It sounds hellish. I’m so glad not to have to suffer it!
I am so glad I am unemployable.
I’ve been working all the way through in an urgent care centre. A temperature above 37.8 has very low specificity
So practising medicine without a licence then?
That’s about my favourite comment today. Worthy of Biker.
You are not alone Poppy. I hate working from home and share your view of the wider downsides.
Twitter isn’t real life, and is dominated by far left sociopaths.
They were actually shooting one of the Dettol ads on the steps of Kings Cross Underground yesterday though I don’t expect they will use the picture with me in the background with a mask round my chin and a maniacal smile on my face
Hope you were doing a two finger salute at the time.
“Putting on a tie”
So British. I work in financial services and in the last 20 years, the only jobs I have held that required wearing a tie daily were in the public sector and the insurance industry. Every other job (including my current one) has been smart casual.
https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/7ACD87D8FD2237285EB667BB28DCC6E9/S1935789320002980a.pdf/public_health_lessons_learned_from_biases_in_coronavirus_mortality_overestimation.pdf
“Public health lessons learned from biases in coronavirus mortality overestimation”
One of the most fateful information to the US Congress in March was the probability that C-19 was 10 times deadlier than flu. This was contrary to an NEJM article in Feb which stated that “C-19 the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%).”However that was a mistake as the WHO had seasonal flu IFR at 0.1% But the congress was informed the adjusted mortality rate from coronavirus of 1% was then compared with the 0.1% mortality rate from seasonal influenza(IFR), and the conclusion was reported to the House Committee that the coronavirus was ten-times more lethal than seasonal. I think informing the congress that C-19 was 10 times deadlier than seasonal flu was important from a psychological perspective. Ten times deadlier. Have they been informed that the CFR for swine flu was in the same range as C-19 and perhaps that C-19 was 4 times deadlier than seasonal flu (comparing IFR) or C-19 the same as Asiatic flu 1957 or twice as Hong Kong flu perhaps they would not so easily accepted the lockdown.
Of course, as data has emerged, even the lower estimate for an IFR for Covid is questionable, since, even amongst the inflated elderly/vulnerable population, it was rarely the actual cause of death.
And if they were informed that the testing over estimated the positivity rates rendering them next to meaningless without supporting diagnosis.
The whole thing is blatantly agenda driven. They were licking their lips at the prospect of driving the Great Reset or whatever they are calling it.
Our public institutions are captured by corporate interests. End of
The inhumane university living conditions will surely cause an enormous “spike” or indeed “surge” in suicide numbers amongst teenagers living away from home for the first time and denied a social support network. There is no way I would have coped with living in isolation at that point in my life. I hope they all drop out quickly and universities have to think again. Why would anyone bother with it all?
The students feel trapped because the universities introduced all these draconian measures after the cheques had been cleared. Some will be in their last year at uni, and don’t want to throw it all away by not going back after Christmas, assuming they survive that long.
And what are the chances of them getting a job instead? Nor can they work their way around the world while seeing the sights as some of my friends did 25+ years ago. It must feel like the only option.
My step-daughter’s started a two-year Travel and Tourism college course this week. I’ve told her it’s good to be optimistic.
There’s also the danger of individuals or even groups resenting what’s being done to them and lashing out at some point.
I hope so.
Could be interesting for the US election
This is something that worries me a lot. When I was in my first year of uni I found living away from home for the first time difficult enough without all these horrifically cruel restrictions. As Charlie Blue’s comment rightly points out below, young people don’t even have the alternative options of travel or a job either. This will scar an entire generation and the consequences may take years to manifest but when they do, they will be serious.
Regarding the ongoing California lockdown, according to my cousin who lives there, Gavin Newsome has also dictated that lockdown won’t be lifted until the population has got rid of the discrepancy in infections/deaths between the BAME and white populations.
If it’s genetic, or due to other similar causes, and not “racism”, then lockdown will never be lifted, as there’ll be nothing the people can do about it.
And as Newsome is in charge, isn’t the responsibility his???
You get what you vote for.
My cousin didn’t vote for Newsome, and hates the Democrats.
As they happily commit voter fraud, it’s difficult to judge how many people in California really voted for him either.
This going to go nationwide in November, i.e. vote Trump, get Biden anyway.
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-phantom-win-election-1528948
“Trump Is Heading for a ‘Red Mirage’ Win on Election Night, Bloomberg-Funded Data Firm Says”
i.e., all those mail-in ballots appearing days after a Trump election night landslide will swing the vote to Biden, once the Democrats know how many votes they have to fake.
Yep. the old LBJ special.
The world, his wife, and cat will all be voting for Biden.. whether they are alive or not!
https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/deceased-cat-gets-voter-registration-application-in-the-mail
I never voted for these totalitarian arseholes.
And to think California used to represent for many some kind of dreamland to which they aspired
They’re leaving in droves, and have been doing so for years.
Wonder what they do about skid row
Christ what a depressing update today…
Anyone got any good news?
The man who delivered a scaffold tower to me this morning didn’t have a face nappy on.
Nor do my builders. And they cheerfully take the tea and biscuits I offer.
Likewise, the three electricians with us today.
Went to the hairdressers yesterday. No mention of masks. Three customers – none of us masked. My hairdresser wore her mask round her chin (in case the council come past so I can whip it up – she said). Everyone chatting and gossiping – just like the old days.
I found a human hair in my in my toasted sausage sandwich this morning (the good news being that I removed it before eating the sandwich)
Happy days of Yore!
My 85 yo neighbour just came out to me as a sceptic while standing very close indeed (no masks involved). She is a former headteacher. She noted that the only precaution she would now take would be to avoid air travel for a few more months.
‘Came out as a sceptic’ – lol
Star Trek is going to have its first transgender character.
(Well, the BBC thinks it’s amazing news…)
Too late, Spock, been there done that
Typical BBC – spreading disinformation as usual.
Not content with Trills then.
rubbish. Tribbles were pangender given that they were born pregnant. And who knows about the genders that all the other alien entities in Star trek were
Right.
That’ll get the viewers flooding back…
This actually cheered me up… a lovely old couple relating how they made cups of tea for the ravers on their mountain. You really will get a welcome on the hillside in Wales – even for an illegal rave.
Tidy!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-wales-53996011
Went to a well known supermarket yesterday with a naked face – not a murmur from anyone. Only one other person the same but no trouble anyway. I’ve never been a rebel in my life but I don’t see any other option now.
You might think going bare-faced is a political statement and you’re absolutely right.
MOH won’t let me go to the supermarket unmasked because of other nutters having a go at me. I personally don’t care. I can hold my own, but that’s not what we’re going shopping for, i.e. a row.
That’s what mine is worried about too but we often have a row when we’re shopping, nothing new there!
Thinking hard…………………………………………
I’ll get back to you.
I took a Ryanair flight yesterday, it was full.
Did you wear masks?
If you’re able to read this you’re probably still alive.
Two men at our flat installing a boiler today, plus Virgin media engineer round to fix our broadband connection. Not a mask in sight.
Close to every single person who has visited our house to do work or deliveries has not worn a mask or distanced, and many have shaken hands without prompting. Those people also probably wear masks where it’s law to do so, so they are only doing it because it’s law, not because they believe it. So they may turn.
went into town with my 3 kids, visited 3 shops, all unmasked, no issues. Seems like
the shopkeepers here are happy to see us maskless.
Meter reader called. Put his mask on when he came in. I said “Don’t wear that for me”. It came off.
went to a local bar/beer shop in Lord Acton’s locale. They used to have a couple of beer pumps and served drinks inside. The pumps were removed during the lockdown but were put back last week on the proviso that only 4 customers can be in the shop. Went there Sunday,fell into conversation with the other 3 customers until we were kicked out at 4PM. Got a notification since that the hours are extended and 8 people can be inside. A rare bit of good news
No.
Thoroughly fed up here too.
Still, the arrest in Australia of that pregnant woman might have jolted more Aussies awake.
I got some new walking boots delivered today, I’ve just tested them out in the hills – comfortable, light, dry – marvellous…
I met the bloke coming to cut my hedges , I said .. would normally shake hands but we aren’t allowed with all this Covid Crap . He replied as we shook hands , ahh its all bollocks Haha. Needless to say he was employed
https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/03/hancocks-half-hour/
It’s quite good
My wife found this on the BMJ website. It’s common sense that a mask will restrict oxygen intake
Rapid Response:Covid-19: important potential side effects of wearing face masks that we should bear in mind
Dear Editor
In their editorial to the BMJ,[1] Greenhalgh et al. advise that surgical masks should be worn in public to prevent some transmission of covid-19, adding that we should sometimes act without definitive evidence, just in case, according to the precautionary principle. The Authors quote a definition of the precautionary principle found on Wikipedia, “a strategy for approaching issues of potential harm when extensive scientific knowledge on the matter is lacking.”
However, while no single formulation of that principle has been universally adopted,[2] the precautionary principle aims at preventing researchers and policy makers from neglecting potentially-harmful side effects of interventions. Before implementing clinical and public health interventions, one must actively hypothesise and describe potential side effects and only then decide whether they are worth being quantified on not.
Most scientific articles and guidelines in the context of the covid-19 pandemic highlight two potential side effects of wearing surgical face masks in the public, but we believe that there are other ones that are worth considering before any global public health policy is implemented involving billions of people.
The two potential side effects that have already been acknowledged are:
(1) Wearing a face mask may give a false sense of security and make people adopt a reduction in compliance with other infection control measures, including social distancing and hands washing.[3]
(2) Inappropriate use of face mask: people must not touch their masks, must change their single-use masks frequently or wash them regularly, dispose them correctly and adopt other management measures, otherwise their risks and those of others may increase.[3,4]
Other potential side effects that we must consider are:
(3) The quality and the volume of speech between two people wearing masks is considerably compromised and they may unconsciously come closer. While one may be trained to counteract side effect n.1, this side effect may be more difficult to tackle.
(4) Wearing a face mask makes the exhaled air go into the eyes. This generates an uncomfortable feeling and an impulse to touch your eyes. If your hands are contaminated, you are infecting yourself.
(5) Face masks make breathing more difficult. For people with COPD, face masks are in fact intolerable to wear as they worsen their breathlessness.[5] Moreover, a fraction of carbon dioxide previously exhaled is inhaled at each respiratory cycle. Those two phenomena increase breathing frequency and deepness, and hence they increase the amount of inhaled and exhaled air. This may worsen the burden of covid-19 if infected people wearing masks spread more contaminated air. This may also worsen the clinical condition of infected people if the enhanced breathing pushes the viral load down into their lungs.
(5B) The effects described at point 5 are amplified if face masks are heavily contaminated (see point 2)
(6) While impeding person-to-person transmission is key to limiting the outbreak, so far little importance has been given to the events taking place after a transmission has happened, when innate immunity plays a crucial role. The main purpose of the innate immune response is to immediately prevent the spread and movement of foreign pathogens throughout the body.[6] The innate immunity’s efficacy is highly dependent on the viral load. If face masks determine a humid habitat where the SARS-CoV-2 can remain active due to the water vapour continuously provided by breathing and captured by the mask fabric, they determine an increase in viral load and therefore they can cause a defeat of the innate immunity and an increase in infections. This phenomenon may also interact with and enhance previous points.
In conclusion, as opposed to Greenhalgh et al., we believe that the context of the current covid-19 pandemic is very different from that of the “parachutes for jumping out of aeroplanes”,[7] in which the dynamics of harm and prevention are easy to define and even to quantify without the need of research studies. It is necessary to quantify the complex interactions that may well be operating between positive and negative effects of wearing surgical masks at population level. It is not time to act without evidence.
That’s brilliant.
The simple logic would be the less virus in general circulation the less effect any mask usage can have.
If say 1% of the population have the virus, 99% of people wearing masks have zero contribution to stopping the spread. It would make more sense to have people wear them if a certain level of infection is reached.
It’s not hard to see that 99% of people would therefore be taking on all the potential risks of wearing a mask for zero benefit.
Absolutely – as applies also to testing (which is why Norway abandoned such blanket measures).
Dear BMJ reader,
As editor of the BMJ I would like to take the opportunity to thank you for your input. We really do value your comments. I would like to re-assure you that we at the BMJ are closely following “The Science” on the matter of mandatory global face mask wearing.
The emerging science seems to suggest that face coverings might possibly attenuate the viral plume generated by spluttering, coughing, sneezing, shouting, singing, laughing or breathing in enclosed spaces like an ice rink, theatre, any retail premises, hotel foyers, a chip shop, a kebab shop or Chinese, in a train or omnibus .
We continue to monitor closely the opinions of our learned colleges on this matter and will stay alert to any newly emerging evidence from our partners.
We will review the evidence on a regular basis to decide if extending mandatory masking to other settings is a reasonable precautionary principle to follow. Also let me put your mind at rest, our partners will be able to meet production targets in the next few weeks. So don’t concern yourself with the emergence of a 2nd wave, we have it covered!…So to speak
Apologies for my medical joke there, I understand this is no laughing matter.
Once again we would like to thank you for your participation in our great community and we look forward to any farther engagement you might have with us here at the BMJ.
Stay safe. Be Kind
Dr Anastasia Horn-Rim-Butler
Wow, who did the research in chip-shops?
“might possibly” – case proved then?
They could also include reference to the known harms of ” mask mouth”
Look it up on DuckDuckGo or:
https://www.foxnews.com/health/mask-mouth-dentists-new-term
What a funny little picture too.
Greenwald backs the Marxist BLM organisation. It’s on her Twitter profile. I don’t trust anything she says on that basis alone, as the entire BLM organisation and movement is based on lies (i.e., “Hands up, don’t shoot,” which never happened, and was the epitome of faked news).
Yep. Now they (BLM) in a completely sickening act, have even trashed Graceland! because, “oh racism, Elvis had black hair” or something..who the hell knows how they justify this – pretty sure Elvis has jet black hair because he was part Cherokee Indian! For a lot of people now I suspect this will be a step too far…
The covid19assembly.org server is down – gremlins or censorship?
This site can’t be reachedhttp://www.covid19assembly.org’s server IP address could not be found.
DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN
Anyone experiencing the same problem?
Up and running for me just now…
Thanks, Mr Dee.
Still not working here – so I guess it’s gremlins.
Up and running here too.
How do they know that younger people are now being infected when they weren’t being infected earlier in the year? There were no randomised tests earlier, only the selection bias of asking people who had symptoms to be tested. Given that many younger people are asymptomatic, I would posit that the is purely an artefact of testing and nothing to do with different infection vectors.
Answer: They consult the Dragon Bones.
Absolutely correct, it’s what Prof Heneghan has been saying as well.
They need to increase the fear. Look, young people are now getting it when they didn’t before, so it must be worse/different/more dangerous etc etc ad nauseum. And don’t kill granny.
Yes this is exactly what’s happening. During the actual epidemic we were only testing people who actually needed treatment. We have 300k or so total “cases” but the total number of infections is north of 10 million even by conservative estimates.
Given that we had such a small and heavily biased sample in March (and still do now, just differently biased) then there’s no way any meaningful comparison can be made with it now about young people getting infected more.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53983963 – this is at least 5 months old, we were aware of this back in March
Finally more propaganda from the BBC
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-54010232
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53869671
Guys! My gracious government is considering permitting me to nominate a friend to visit. They’ve isolated us but are now realising that single people are doing it tough. Lucky, lucky me.
https://www.facebook.com/davidlimbrickldp/photos/a.1578455645785625/2485272821770565/?type=3&theater
Eeny, meeny, miiny, mo…
Invite Dan Andrews for a visit…
And tie him to the bedposts and muzzle him. Show him what confinement feels like.
Nah, I’ve had enough of restrictions and wouldn’t fancy going to jail after his visit.
They are getting desperate. This was briefly showing as being the top trending post on my Twitter feed.
https://twitter.com/i/events/1288477138606120960
It is nothing of the sort. Just a collection of discredited propaganda puff pieces with no contributions from real people (hence “event” in the url as opposed to “status”).
”
HuffPost UK Life
@HuffPostUKLife
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14 Apr
Health experts wrote in The BMJ that people should be encouraged to wear face masks as a precautionary measure “on the grounds that we have little to lose and potentially something to gain”.”
Aside from this coming from the highly biased Huff Post, what do we have to lose?? Oxygen. Social interactions. Our immune systems….
Self respect
Life, as we knew it.
BBC completely ignoring the elephant in the room that is Africa’s widespread use of hcq to treat Malaria.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-53998374
africa doesnt have lots of 90+ year olds in homes.
plus it’s hot.
excess deaths in UK last 2 weeks was put down to the heatwave. people vulnerable to covid were already dead in any hot country
Its not just Africa though, its Russia as well, in fact every country without a Fauci or Whitty:
https://c19study.com/
Those factors should also apply to at least parts of South America though and they seem to have been hit very hard, especially Peru.
Peru is a mountainous, coastal country though – “The coastal region has moderate temperatures, low precipitation, and high humidity, except for its warmer, wetter northern reaches”
I dare say the cities are where the people live. Essentially its to broad a sweep to look at georaphical topography as an indicator in these circumstances. A chart with geographical locations of related deaths brings geography alive.
Peru has had the world’s strictest lockdown since April.
Sooner or later the penny is going to drop that stricter lockdowns correlate with worse outbreaks.
Peru vs Brazil.
Spain vs Sweden
Maine vs N Dakota.
Scotland vs Wales.
The story is the same on every sodding continent, strict lockdown & geberal maskhole behaviour by authorities / Karens = worse Covid outbreak.
Probably because they are not allowing herd immunity to happen amongst the young.
Based on reported figures betweeen 400 and 500 (1% of reported deaths) people have died in the UK from Covid-19, as the only reported morbidity with no other existing conditions reported. Not all of these have been confirmed by post-mortem.
99% of deaths are reported with one or more existing chronic conditions, and 50% of those are with 3 or more existing chronic conditions.
We could safely say that maybe 10% of all deaths attributed to Covid-19 have resulted in people with serious pre-existing conditions, have died earlier than they may have otherwise without Covid-19. This appears to be borne out by the current weekly/monthly reported deaths being lower than the 5-year average. So if we are charitable we might accept that between 4,000 and 5,000 people have died in the last 5 months due to Covid-19, but not necessarilly of Covid-19.
On average, 500 people a day die from cancer, and around 150 per day die from heart disease.
And yet still we are treating this disease as if it were the Black Death or Ebola.
Ironically, when we did have an Ebola scare we treated it as if it werre the seasonal flu.
I think 10% of the 50,000 or so deaths are people who would have lived significanty longer otherwise. 90% were just terminally ill people with deaths bought forward. They need to find the life years lost or quality adjusted life years lost (QALYs) which will end up being smaller than that due to extra suicides let alone everything else
It’s easy to take the mick out of the Covidmania. But we need to work out some way to fight it or we are going to find we are living in a high tech version of East Germany within a year.
Agreed. My current strategy is as follows:
I suspect most of us on here are already doing the above, so it is clear that this is insufficient. There are definitely cracks appearing in the dam, but not quickly enough to thwart the transformation of our society.
Physical resistance will be required sooner rather than later. I have never engaged in anything like this before, so will have to improvise according to my situation.
Yes: on your point 3 what would help enormously is if lockdown sceptic academics, scientists and those working in the NHS could be encouraged/supported to voice their scepticism. Ideally, collectively.
I think it is fair to say we are already quite a way down that road. Imagine if there was a political party opposed to lockdown lunacy, mask madness and the fake science, then would the Electoral Commission refuse to allow it to register?… would the BBC, Sky and ITV report on it with huge negative bias? … would Ofcom demand that it be censored?…would the Police and Security Services target it for investigation?….would Facebook, You Tube and Twitter close down its accounts? It is concerning to think that the answer is probably yes to all of those.
You may well be right. I think we do need a new single-issue political party, to frighten the Tories and be the focus of anti-madness efforts. My thinking was partly that political parties have a legal status and protection that other bodies may not have. We may find out just how bad things are, should someone manage to found one, and more importantly, fund it.
A Freedom party? Obviously couldn’t call it that far too right wing
The FFT Party — Freedom From Tyranny. We have a new leader of our version of the Conservative Party here in Canada, but upwards of 80% think our current government has done a bang up job dealing with Covid so I don’t hold out any hope of things getting better here. Given the current climate, it would be political suicide for him to speak out against the current measures.
Aaargh a reminder I didn’t want to hear, Lisa. You and I are surrounded by coronaphobic cheerleaders of Justin and the various chief medical officers in every province. The cult-like worship of Dr. Bonnie Henry here in BC is seriously worrying…my mother is one of her loyal devotees
You don’t have to be a Labour supporter or fan of Jeremy Corbyn to see what would happen – an all-out propaganda initiative based on the dual prongs of misinformation and omission of alternative information to the government narrative, backed by a recruited core of compliant presenter/’journalists’ who have little no experience of investigative journalism.
It might be less than a year. Australia and NZ already seem like they are there. One step at a time, at present, I’m afraid.
While in certain states in America it seems that the direction of travel is the kind of Auz/NZ policy approach, I think there is at least the sceptic in Trump. I am by far his greatest fan but on Covid alone I think he has got some good wins.
1. Early to back HCQ
2. Defended the White Coats when they supported HCQ
3. Seems to have installed new people at the CDC which led to their change in testing approach (i.e.symptomatics only) and 6% of Covid-19 deaths.
4. Was against masks so I am sure he’ll be pushing back there when the time is right.
5. America has turned its corner on CV19 it would seem.
He’s also been showing signs of being hard on pharmaceutical companies for their market power.
He’s withdrawn WHO funding.
Much more awake on the issue than BJ has been it would seem.
He’s keen on national sovereignty (MAGA) averse to global bodies like the UN and IPCC.
Thoughts? I certainly want him to defeat Biden
He’s deeply flawed and a big disappointment in many ways over covid and lots of other things, but yes, if Biden wins then the might of the US will be behind the madness. If Trump wins, not so much.
Yes, it’s not perfect. But the choice, just on a Covid basis is stark. Never thought I’d say it but Trump is the lesser of two evils by a long way
6 months ago I wouldn’t have said it….or be ‘liking ‘ comments in the Sun!
As a Canadian I’ve been kind of obsessed with US politics for years now and can’t stand Trump. He’s a malignant narcissist with no attention span and is not smart. Having said that, as soon as Biden said he’d mandate masks indoors and outdoors and wouldn’t hesitate to lockdown the country on the say so of the “experts”, he lost me. I don’t have a vote, but I realized there are some things more dangerous than Trump. Even a few months ago I would have thought Biden would win easily, and now I’m starting to think Trump may actually beat him. All it takes is 10-20 thousand people in the swing states to protest the government overreach and he wins a second term. Between the far left craziness, the riots, and the blue state governors becoming emperors and keeping their states from economic recovery, the election outcome is by no means certain.
Feeling the same here… 6 months ago, even 3-4 months, I would never have thought I would have so completely lost trust in the Democrats and Biden. Even without the fact that they (or at least the media who support them) have exploited and likely prolonged the crisis for political gain, to me they now represent authoritarian, paternalistic, top-down government that “knows best” in a way rooted more in ideology than science or hard facts, whatever their claims otherwise. And not just on pandemic-related issues!
It’s just possible that the tide of opinion will have turned enough in the following 2 months (given that the virus seems to be on the decline in most/all states now) that the Democrats start to backtrack on masks, lockdowns etc. if polls show Trump has a clear lead. Especially if Republican states start to open up more. But I’m really not holding up much hope!
Agree completely.
The philosopher John Rawls said that truth is [the first virtue] of systems of thought.
We need to seek out, and then communicate via every channel at our disposal, the truth about Covid-19.
And expose what is not true.
More recent evidence (Aug 11 2020) of the effectiveness of BCG vaccination (using BCG Tokyo-172) against covid 19 infection:
‘The COVID-19 pandemic has come under control in many Asian countries where it flared up early in its course. Among these is Japan….’
‘The researchers say, “This is the first study to demonstrate an impact of routine infant BCG vaccine coverage among younger people, especially those born between 1995 and 2004, on local COVID-19 spread in Japan.” The explanation for this association is that BCG reduces the number of asymptomatic transmissions, where infections that result in no or only mild symptoms spread the infection substantially.
These findings suggest that BCG vaccination does play an influential role in protecting against the spread of infection on a mass scale.’
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200819/Routine-BCG-immunization-in-infancy-and-COVID-19-containment-in-Japan.aspx
‘Japanese bacteriologist Kiyoshi Shiga introduced BCG to Japan in 1924. The 172nd passage from the first culture is the origin of the Japanese routine infant BCG vaccine (Tokyo-172).4 The BCG vaccination program has been the principal element in tuberculosis control in Japan for more than 70 years.’
‘The BCG vaccine coverage in 1999–2002, 2004, and 2012 in five prefectures with no COVID-19 infections was significantly higher than that in five prefectures with a high prevalence of infections.’
https://www.journalofinfection.com/article/S0163-4453(20)30547-8/fulltext
‘Murdoch Children’s Research Institute has organized BRACE, a Phase 3, two-group, multicenter, open-label, randomized, controlled trial of up to 4170 health care workers in Australian hospitals to determine if BCG vaccination reduces the incidence and severity of COVID-19 during the 2020 pandemic [4]. Primary results are expected in October 2020, and full study results are expected in March 2022.’
Lifespan.io 2020
Hi I am really glad to find this website and forum as I am a lockdown skeptic here in N Ireland. More and more people in my country are thankfully not putting up with the mainstream media lies and muzzle compliance here.
Welcome to sceptics land, an alternative universe of pseudo-sanity.
Hi – another N.Irelander here too! Whereabouts are you? I find it depends where you go regarding masks…had to go to M&S there and it was a sea of masks
Has anyone told you about the initiation ceremony yet?
Initiation ceremony: Wipe your bum with a mask then hand it to a mask zealot.
Always good to see new people. The site now gets more than 1000 comments every day, which is great but sometimes gives me a “fear of missing out”! The “most voted” option is useful.
BBC article saying that the arrest in handcuffs of a pregnant mother is ‘controversial’.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-54007824
Includes these lines on the possibility that the main problem with the arrest is that it might encourage ‘conspiracy theorists’.
Critics also warned that it could further stoke anti-lockdown sentiment or conspiracy theories, noting the video had been shared among groups in Australia and the US.:
Such groups have alleged, often incorrectly, that lockdown measures infringe human rights.
I wonder who determines whether it is ‘correct’ or not, and what are the criteria?
Pure Orwellian double-speak. The bastards. The BBC….no shame.
There are times when the only possible solution seems to be a strategically placed neutron bomb.
Apologies to grannies or those of a sensitive disposition
The BBC are fucking cunts for writing that
Freekin Charlies..please
You Mellon Farmer
Im not paying for a TV licence ever again, the BBC arent getting a penny from me.
If anyone still pays their TV licence. Stop. Today. Right now.
Ah right. So lockdown isn’t infringing any human rights. I was worried there for a second. Good to know. Thanks Auntie Beeb.
The BBC must die.
I see “often incorrectly” as “sometimes correctly”. Weasly words as usual.
In the same way that some of Adolf Hitlers actions were “controversial”?
Did marianna spring and mike wending have a hand in crafting the propaganda under-message?
https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/www.bbc.co.uk
Well, they’re maintaining their role as thought police. No comments allowed.
Meet up to 30 people.everything else is guidance.Dont know about local lockdown rules so if you have the misfortune to live in one I can’t help you
I think you’ll be fine just say everyone you’re with is in your support bubble and there’s nothing to worry about.
I don’t think anyone who isn’t a Wykeham professor of logic understands support bubbles anyway.
Support bubble?? Is that like when you pass-wind in the bath?
I thought all the gatherings nonsense was no more. Up to 30 people indoors I think, all the rest is just guidance.
Guidance for outdoors is still up to 30 people, they may attempt to impose that as law. This also applies to weddings and funerals for instance.
Indoors its up to 6 people from any household.
In the time its taken me to type this, Boris has probably done another U-turn, so who knows, its all insanity for a bad cold.
I think it is up to 30 people indoors. All else is guidance.
See the Law not Fiction website, Happy to be contradicted if I have that wrong.
laworfiction.com/2020/07/lockdown-laws-in-england-have-been-revoked/
Indoors does not however include a private house, but relates to other premises, eg church halls, businesses, etc.
Yes, up to 30 in private houses are OK as I understand it.
They’ve had those up in my local one since it reopened. Ignore it.
Don’t ask questions, know your place, obey our commands.
Obey those in authority over you!
So Wancock thinks that cases are rising “exponentially” in France and Spain, can someone PLEASE sit him down and attempt to explain what exponential growth actually looks like, perhaps with the aid of some simple drawings or cartoons?
Who cares if it is though, as long as its not leading to rises in hospitalisations and/or deaths it doesn’t matter, its just the virus taking its natural course, which has been delayed by the totally inappropriate lockdowns. If we assume the numbers are true anyway!
This second peak of (reported) infections was entirely predictable and guaranteed by locking up totally healthy people.
It proves the lockdowns and other measures were pointless and made no difference to the overall progress of the virus, but they can’t admit that, doesn’t fit the narrative.
The fuckwit doesn’t realise he could claim that we have reached (or almost) herd immunity now due to his measures. Since hospitalisations and deaths have flatlined
Always time for a u-turn…
Don’r be nasty to him. He has trouble working out which foot comes next when walking.
It’s not fair to expect him to understand big words like ‘exponentially’ when he can’t do adding sums.
He won’t understand.
Has his orders, will follow then regardless.
What the soviets used to call a useful idiot.
Except their idiots were, well, useful.
This may help him:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUVERo2xpH4
The Victoria Deputy Commissioner Luke Cornetto … describes any protest as “bat-shit crazy” and after standing back for the BLM protest earlier in the year promises a hardline approach to any Coronaphobia protests.
Why is it that Black Lives Matter gets a free ride and the rest of us get banned from Facebook, Twitter, Youtube? There has to be some connection. I think that BLM must have a global support network with lots of funding sources. Their rallies and protests are not spontaneous, they are planned to coincide with events that give their protests more clout.
Cornetto? Isn’t that name a tad suspicious?
That’s it. BLM has corporate backing. Simple as that.
Ashley Yates (@brownblaze, social media) was a former prominent member (local leader I think) of BLM. Don’t forget they established themselves 2014 after the shooting of Michael Brown and coined the ‘Hand up Don’t shoot phrase’ – which was completely debunked, and even the Obama DOJ had to say so after it caused destruction in the country. She has been attacked & kicked out of the group, for pointing out in 6 years there has been Zero accounting for where their funding has gone, not one community program, no evidence of supporting a local chapter or group, & have sponsored zero pieces of legislation. They got funding alright, over a quarter billion $ est. to have flowed to them in the last few years.
Well that makes things clear. As mud.
Ignore the law. That’s the only way we can defeat this. If you get a fine (you won’t), appeal and clog up the court system. Enjoy your anarchy.
Absolutely this. The only way to get rid of the stupid laws is for people to break them en masse. Infuriating people wear masks and limit party sizes in the vain hope that it makes a difference and means the government will change sooner. Eventually more will start being disobedient I hope.
In Scotland (don’t know about England, Wales or NI), challenge your fixed penalty notice immediately you get it (there is a time limit and if you let it pass you will be deemed to have “accepted” the penalty and it can be enforced like a court fine ie possible imprisonment). Once challenged, you wait for action by PF. I have it on the best authority that this WON’T be citation to court (there is a backlog which is estimated to take 4 years to clear). Most likely it will be “no pro” (no proceedings), in which case you will hear nothing (they won’t even have the courtesy to tell you) OR a letter from PF saying don’t do it again or you will be prosecuted (use the letter as toilet paper and carry on doing whatever you were doing, they still won’t prosecute you). Court time will be like gold dust for the next 2 years (at least), so they can’t waste it on minor rubbish.
The crank GMB presenter (actor?) Doctor who broadcasts his opini9ns into homes has been caught displaying cognitive disonance. The wind has changed. He credibility lost.
2 clips to compare and contrast.
From this
https://twitter.com/Formerlyhappy/status/1300919208243539968?s=20
To this
https://twitter.com/Formerlyhappy/status/1300919300539195392?s=20
Look him in the eyes.
The SNAKE
He is looking old isn’t he? I haven’t seen him for at least 20 years. Glad to see the bastard is looking pretty cadaverous.
Looks like he’s had some botox!
Adrenochrome.
Yes, far more likely.
I remember well him stating this about masks at the beginning! Complete gutter rat
Completely dead like Whitty, Vallance, Gates, Fauci, Birx, Soros, Hancock, Johnson and most other “public” figures.
Depressing newsletter today, as proven by the comments below.
Offlands linked this article to cheer us all up. Thank you!
https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/03/hancocks-half-hour/
The latest science says these are the most accurate ways of predicting the behaviour of the virus as opposed to the previous method of thinking of a number, subtracting it from the average height of a giant sequoia tree, multiplying it by the distance between the moon and the earth at the time of a lunar eclipse and then adding a squillion to get the final figure.
I have read it several times today and makes me laugh every time.
I didn’t get far until I had to stand up before I doubled over from intense laughter. Excellent link
UK is no longer the land of hope and glory.
Its the land of Woke and Cowed Obediance.
Maybe we don’t deserve to be singing those noble and insiring words, or maybe we need them now more than ever.
I agree, it’s now a really pathetic nation.
How the hell do we get the spirit back?
I’ll draw a pentagram on the floor, sit in the middle of it and rub Belladonna into my eye balls. I”ll then have visions out of which i should be able summon Boudicca, she’ll know what to do.
Scientist Bill Nye is urging everyone to wear masks, saying it is “literally a matter of life and death.”
I know what he means – I can’t open the bloody front door here in Wales – jammed shut with all those piles of corpses outside. I wish we had mandatory face-masks here.
Do you mean comedian turned childrens entertainer turned lab coat wearing TV spectacle why you say scientist?
Ha! Is that who he is! Hilarious that they’re using him as an authority.
Careful what you wish for, we are going to Wales next week, hopefully bare-face is still allowed.
All bare-faced cheek here, still. No sign of any changes to the ‘guidance’, or a political desire to do so.
For what it’s worth:
Have a great time! (And I have to remember to order those badges from you… slipped my mind!)
Drop me a line two-six@twang.co.uk perhaps we can meet up in person and I can give you some. Much safer than trying to use our totally broken postal service.
Currently on holiday in( South West) Wales, still maskless. Smaller shops are restricting entry with one way systems. There are some people wearing masks indoors and outdoors, but I suspect they are English visitors.
I’m having to push dead bodies out of the way every time I take the car out. And why must they flake out on the front lawn? So damned uncivilised, even for blasted lower class chaps.
I wish we had mandatory masks in Wales too.
He is only a scientist for Disney Channel. Actually he has a degree in mechanical engineering so he would know all about masks I suppose. Still any educated person can have an opinion but it doesn’t automatically become true just because you have been on TV.
The disgusting Bill Nye, is, I believe, the same one who suddenly changed the science from there being two genders into stating categorically that there were many genders.
B&M Foundation funding HCQ trials??
https://www.tropmedres.ac/covid-19/copcov
Since the BBC propaganda unit has unleashed it’s subordinate Disinformation Unit consisting of Mike Wending and chum Marianna Spring I thought I would look at how misinformation differs from disinformation. I used the top two results from google.
misinformation- false or inaccurate information, especially that which is deliberately intended to deceive.
Disinformation is false or misleading information that is spread deliberately to deceive. This is a subset of misinformation. The English word disinformation is a loan translation of the Russian dezinformatsiya, derived from the title of a KGB black propaganda department.
The BBC unit does not have ‘counter’ in its title. I think it should. Unless it is spreading disinformation deliberately in which case the current title is accurate.
Marianna Spring has a short history working in Russia.
I do hope the younger schoolkids are banned from doing the “ring a ring a roses” dance at playtime (if playtime is even allowed nowadays, which I suspect not) – it would count as insurrection if they did so , as it pokes fun at the terrible and fatal plague that currently haunts us, and should therefore be severely punished.
I went into the local Marks and Sparks attached to a filling station for some bits and bobs earlier, in the County of Somersetshire. First time I have had to go into a shop since The Day of the Masks. I went in – maskless and I was one of about six people in there at the time. The good news is that there were two other maskless in there too! 50%!
How did it feel?
Like being The Mother Of 10000 dead?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIDdvnHQrjk
Satisfying!
B&Q in the county town this morning. Customers All aged 70+. All fully masked! All struggling to make it round. As the only unmasked rebel (apart from the staff) I felt sorry for the fearful deluded people. What has happened to our bulldog spirit?
It’s gone for the moment.
https://twitter.com/toddeherman/status/1301525999713005568
This morning, we have the first ever radio interview with Ethical Skeptic one of the most important independent data analyst of C-19
A very good interview
It’s a very interesting interview.
But I would disagree with his assessment of the virus as ‘exceptionally dangerous’ or ‘deadly’. I can find no evidence for such an assessment in a comparative framework.
However, he does put it into context – “for those under 60 it’s less dangerous than the flu, for those over 80 it’s more dangerous than the flu”.
This public service message is from Canada Weather Network. It tells us how to properly dispose masks. It even has a picture showing a mask, a pair of scissors and where to cut the string!
https://www.theweathernetwork.com/ca/news/article/masks-gloves-and-wipes-proper-disposal-can-help-protect-wildlife-coronavirus-covid-19
Cutting the string on a face muzzle is pretty effective for protecting human life as well.
Lets stay with Canada
https://latestnews.fresherslive.com/articles/2-canadian-military-members-test-covid-19-positive-146305
Oh no! Two positives?? Our entire military will be decimated by the virus in 7 to 8 years. We must act now!!
First, I always (read: never) go to The Weather Network for advice on how to dispose of hazardous medical waste. Second, I always (read: never) carry scissors with me wherever I go. Third, I always (read: never) wear a mask, so numbers 1 and 2 are irrelevant.
One way of looking at the ludicrous over-estimation of the danger from Covid amongst the general public is that it provides clear evidence of the bad faith of government in this.
NO genuinely democratic goverment would willfully engage in misinforming the people it represents by use of SPI-B advertising industry techniques that are aimed to mislead.
The BBC is either lying intentionally, does not do research, or they fail to understand what they are researching and reading. They have been hammering on the last few days about the “misinformation” on mums Facebook pages about teachers being able to take children away for testing without parental consent. They then claim this is untrue. Well unfortunately the law does not agree, and maybe they and the government too are too ashamed to admit openly what it says. Under the Coronavirus Act 2020, Schedule 21, Part 2, Paragraph 18 – “(4)A power under paragraph 10 or 14 may only be exercised in relation to a child in the presence of—
(a)an individual who has responsibility for the child, or
(b)if the child is not accompanied by such an individual, an adult (not being a person on whom powers are conferred under this Part of this Schedule) that the person exercising the power considers to be appropriate, having regard to any views of the child.
(5)Where a power under this Part of this Schedule is exercisable in relation to a child but the child is not accompanied by an individual who has responsibility for the child, the person by whom the power is exercisable must—
(a)if practicable, contact an individual who has responsibility for the child before the power is exercised, or
(b)if that is not practicable, take reasonable steps after the power is exercised to contact such an individual and inform them of any exercise of the power in relation to the child”
Therefore, a teacher would certainly be deemed an appropriate adult, and if parents are unable to be contacted, they do have to power to enforce being taken away for testing and isolation. Now of course, if this was exercised, I should hope that there would be countrywide backlash even from the press and it could never go so far, but although the chances are slim, it is possible. Yet the BBC fails to acknowledge that slim chance, yet slaps a massive “false” badge on the claim that there are no documented cases of pupil to teacher transmission apply because of 6 most likely to have been caused by it. To think a majority in this country believe the news they see from them is frightening.
BBC Mission Statement:-
“The Mission of the BBC is to act in the public interest, serving all audiences through the provision of impartial, high-quality and distinctive output and services which inform, educate and entertain”.
Can only assume that statement is deep satire.
I think they believe they are acting in the public interest, because they know what the public interest is
As a majority now consider the BBC itself to be fake news, few people will believe the BBC’s view on this.
I think we need a political party that campaigns on only 1 law – thou shall do no harm to others.
That’s it.
Judges rule on the harm, how bad it was then sentence accordingly.
Very simple.
That’s the first rule of the Hippocratic Oath, first do no harm
Yeah. Not so sure about that. Don’t forget, silence is violence. Your innocent joke is someone else’s hate speech.
BBC report an additional 13 deaths (bullshit) in UK, 15 of them in England.
Priceless
Posted at 15:01
15:01
Fifteen more deaths related to coronavirus in EnglandThere have been a further 15 deaths registered which are linked to coronavirus in hospitals in England as of Thursday, according to NHS England figures.
16:39
UK records another 1,735 casesThe latest figures from the UK government show there were 1,735 Covid-19 infections recorded over the past 24 hours – up from 1,508 a day earlier.
There were 13 additional deaths, the government said on Thursday.
“Linked to”.
Desperate stuff.
Great spot, that’s made my day!
Make sure you take screen shots for documentation purposes.
Usual in-depth BBC reporting.
The data includes catch up data from previous days which gave only just been reported
For 15 deaths, read 16 in the last 4 days…
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/deaths
For 1745 “cases” read 106
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/cases
Two people rose from the dead, isn’t it obvious?
Scientists still aren’t sure whether death provides lasting immunity from reinfection. But it’s believed a clean head shot should do the trick.
Good one!
NHS England did indeed report 15 cases but some of them were very old. My guess is that they were excluded as overlapping with previously reported community cases.
Meanwhile, over in Canada:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kWhy5C4pJA8
Kentucky Man ARRESTED for Breaking Canada’s Quarantine Act!
“A kentucky man was arrested for breaking Canada’s Quarantine Act. He faced a fine of up to $750,000 CAD, 6 months in jail, OR BOTH! Moral of the story: Canada is not messing around. And… blame Canada.”
Kentucky man left his hotel to visit a tourist attraction, and wasn’t a Canadian lawyer or legislator, so presumably didn’t know Canada had turned into Communist Albania or East Germany….
Meanwhile, a good friend’s niece — a Canadian citizen who married an American and lives in the US — came back to Toronto with her husband for a visit and not once in the two weeks they were supposed to be quarantining did any health authority contact them. Whereas my daughter moved from one province to another and has been forced to take 3 Covid tests and gets daily e-mails from the health authorities checking in with her. At least her house arrest ends tomorrow. So, it’s very randomly enforced even in communist Canada!
That fine makes Piers Corbyn’s look like pocket money!
Pretty unscientific analysis but I look at the local rag Birmingham Live rag’s FB feed every day. It’s become very noticeable over the last couple of weeks that every sensationalist panic story on infections, cases and proposed lockdowns is now met with a hail of negative comments. Most of them – like the articles themselves – are fairly uneducated and badly written. But there is a definite change in mood from the the pro-lockdown, second wave hysteria of only a few weeks back. Hearteningly the one character that gets the most abuse is the local PHE Gauleiter – a numpty by rhe name of Justin “Reg” Varney. He seems to have a cosy relationship with the hacks who in turn treat his every pronouncement as though it were handed down on tablets of stone. I don’t imagine he was expecting the level of vitriol he now gets every time his eminently slappable face appears!
Trace trace trace.
Trace trace trace
that’s a good way of learning to draw
Alternative words for Land of Hope and Glory:
Land of sheep and robots, never to be free
How shall we escape this, utter tyranny?
Propaganda influences on the BBC
Wider still they terrify from the TV set
Wider still they terrify from the TV set
Up until now, the Spectator has every week reported the number of UK deaths FROM Covid. This week, for the first time, they reports the number of deaths “within 28 days of testing positive for the coronavirus”. No more From or even With. Sounds like progress is being made.
From the KBF local forum (West Yorkshire):
I got a real kick in the stomach today after reading Agenda 21 on ukcolumn.org. Leeds City Council ARE implementing Agenda 21 – no wonder we are overrun with unused cycle lanes all over the place!! I have always believed in some green initiatives but not to the extreme that life becomes unbearable. Anyone else who comes under Leeds jurisdiction like to join me in challenging them?
Oxfordshire CC are also and are voting to ban fireworks events and any public event that is not carbon neutral.
Local authority annual funding allocation from central government is based upon a fairly complex formula. If you can ever find it, I think you will find that “number of miles of bicycle lanes” is a factor. This is probably the real incentive to create them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_%26_Wes:_The_Dynamic_Duo
a little music relief from two great musicians:
Jimmy Smith on electric organ: One of the greatest instrumental solos by any musician in any genre of music ever! It is so complex that even after 100 repeated listenings you still won’t be able to memorize all of it. That’s my blurb, by the way.
music found here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGhsUJ-k2Vc
Even if you did finally memorize all of it, are there any musicians out there that could reproduce it note by note in every details? I hope so. We need more Jimmy Smiths and Wes Montgomerys in our Puritannical Woke World to cleanse the stench of it all.
I’ve been a fan of his for many years; remember ‘Walk on the Wild Side’ and ‘The Cat’?
He once memorably said -‘I can play anything’.
A genius.
Great musician. I saw him at the Glasgow Jazz Festival years ago.
Just got home from work, so maybe it has already been commented:
The Scottish corona count website now admits that they are mis-reporting the people in hospital and it will change from next week.
I was wondering about it for weeks, how they had about 250 people in hospital for weeks on end.
It’s a Gong Show. Someone yank these idjits offstage!
See second item on round up, carl heneghan
Another victory for the Carl and the CEBM. And to think if they weren’t checking this stuff these misleading figures would carry merrily along, influencing policy and affecting millions of lives. I wonder what’s next on their list?
Hopefully testing and ‘cases’.
Carl delivers another knock out punch to the bull crap
Watched ‘the Crankie woman’ (as referred to on Guido) being interviewed on Sky this morning. When pushed by Kay Burley (although she let her off a bit too lightly in my opinion) she got very hot and bothered about care homes, alluding to ‘overcounting’. So, getting the excuses in early – where’s Devi Sridhar when you need her?
Was a total sham interview in my opinion. Burley adding the quick reference to ‘shameful carehomes’, like it was agreed. Sturgeon felt comfortable to row into those past carehome waters – having been asked about future carehome plans.
Sturgeon used the language of testing positivity which is a feature of devi language.
I’m not sure why, but the media really do go easy on Sturgeon & the SNP.
It appears these 250 (down from 265 in about two months) have many underlying issues that will be keeping them in long term regardless of covid or not.
Thanks for pointing out the coming change, I have been watching the never decreasing numbers too.
I’m beginning to think Hancock has been compromised…………
He was, at birth.
I suspect virtually every major public figure in politics and media (and much else besides) is under threat of blackmail.
J. Edgar Hoover more or less controlled US politicians for 50 years with the special files he kept on all of them.
I was told that people who want to gain high office of any kind are “assessed” to see if they are either corruptible or vulnerable to blackmail. If they are not, then they never get anywhere near the levers of power.
I have no reason to disbelieve this.
I knew a guy who was a year above me in school for ten years, then university, same college, just by coincidence. Thoroughly nice guy, as straight up, honest and ethical as they come. You would trust him with anything. He got a first in classics. Applied to the foreign office and failed on the psych test.
I got rejected by the Diplomatic Corps. My brother nearly died laughing when he found out I wanted to be a diplomat.
He probably failed for the same reason I didn’t get a job at Pizza Hut. When answering the question “is the customer always right”, I answered honestly and didn’t get the job.
Correct.
Sure of it, wonder what they’ve got, gets you thinking doesn’t it
He didn’t need to be – unless absence of a brain is a ‘compromise’,
He’s under the spell (and likely pay) of Gates..
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-uk-news-schools-cases-bolton-trafford-lockdown/ (paywall)but includes “However, even perfectly healthy young people have died.” from Professor James Naismith, Director of the Rosalind Franklin Institute, and Professor of Structural Biology, University of Oxford, Is that true ?
Perfectly young healthy people die of Influenza. It’s just as rare and just as pointless a thing to say.
Oh – it’s true.
… just like the statement that people die whilst having sex.
Probably. Perfectly healthy young people die of flu sometimes too.
And in far larger numbers. Even worse, flu kills babies. Covid hasn’t.
Apparently healthy people do sometimes die suddenly. The medics call it something like “sudden death syndrome” which is a fancy way of saying they don’t know why. A full autopsy may reveal a previously unsuspected heart defect or something like that.
How young is young? I believe no one under 19 without co-morbidities has died of Covid in the UK..
I’ve been wondering today: What will Oz and NZ do if we never get a fully effective vaccine? Just stay hermit states forever? Or will they eventually concede to save their travel and tourism industries?
I guess Venezuela provides a good indication of where Victoria is heading. It’ll probably take a change of government, in both countries, to change direction now. They’ll never admit they got it wrong.
UK, too.
Eventually the public are going to stop putting up with it. It’s going to be ugly.
Buy shares in lampposts and rope
And popcorn!
It took a war for the German’s to clock their scam.
Turn into Sentinel Island or accept the cull.
That will be Not So Saint Anymore Jacinda’s options then.
Those CAMRA glasses, I thought they were snowflakes
Just in time for Christmas, if it’s allowed this year.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8694643/Stockholm-coronavirus-epicentre-lockdown-free-Sweden-sees-fewest-cases-early-March.html but DM never misses the chance to push the face nappy agenda
I never thought I’d be defending the Daily Mail but I actually think they have not been too bad over the past week in terms of sceptical articles, giving a voice to Heneghan etc.
Stockholm no longer even has the highest number of hospitalised patients in Sweden – Gothenburg region currently has more than Stockholm.
Word on the street (Swedes on Twitter in this case) is that Swedes have been buying face masks as they are needed when they travel to other countries.
i am sick of all this ridiculous nonsense – from Hancock spouting obvious nonsense to schools using Covid as an excuse to institute draconian measures or to stay home, the whole pantomime is pathetic.
Caught a BBC report ( I know, like pins in the eyes) about heroin and a guy who’s trying to create a space for it to be legally used.
He quoted a figure: 4 people die a day in Scotland due to heroin.
Sadly, this may not be far from the truth
Truly pathetic that. Scotland used to lead the world and nowadays we can only manage four dead junkies a day. We really have fallen under the stewardship of Sturgeon.
A safe space for addicts to be given their fix safely while encouraging them to accept help for their addiction and denying the dealers a sale – fcuk me someone talking sense
I watched a select committee hearing with Crispin Blunt some other guy from the Home Office and some Scottish MP’s they were begging for places where heroine addicts could inject them selves safely.
Up to 537 people died in Scotland in 2018 from opiat overdoses. Many of these people could have been saved if they were in a place with people watching over them as they inject, ready with Naloxone an anti opiate drug.
The government just totally turned them down despite the fact tha in many other countries this kind of provision has helped cut drug overdoses dramatically.
The governments view was that in order to get them selves and their drugs into the safe room they would have to carry them there on foot and that could not be permitted under law to knowingly allow people to be in possession of controlled drugs in the street without arresting them.
Despite a really solid case put forward by the Scottish Mp’s and medical people they were totally over-ridden. It was just disgusting to watch. That decision will cost the lives of many many people.
https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/files//statistics/drug-related-deaths/2018/drug-related-deaths-18-pub.pdf
Ignore it/them.
There’s nothing worse than being ignored.
How did “anonymous” ask? FB, Twitter, local paper? Anyway answer is that your staff and you wish to remain healthy and if not happy anonymous can go elsehwhere.
Definitely best policy. They want you to respond, don’t give them the satisfaction.
Their motive is probably trying to shame you into compliance, some self important prick no doubt.
Maybe do not reply to the individual, but update your website and explain your policy as regards masks? Could also be an opportunity to educate customers…
Great opertunity to reply that the science shows staff fiddling with masks can spreads c19, other viruses and bacteria through touch – so you are thinking of your customers safety
It’s worse than putting a used tissue on the table. It’s a used face nappy. Vile.
You could answer that a lot of people doubt that masks have any benefits and are deeply distressed by the sight of so many people wearing them, and you are providing those people with somewhere they can feel comfortable.
If you do answer them just paste a link to the current government guidance. That will piss them off more than any detailed response from you.
If they’re that frightened, I’m generally curious, are they frightened of influenza, diphtheria, or TB? – all of which can (in some cases) manifest for some time with minimal, or indeed without any, symptoms… do they wear masks all the time, in case of the TB threat? legionnaire’s is still out there too, after what IDK nearly 50 years…that’s a nasty one…
You are not required to:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own/face-coverings-when-to-wear-one-and-how-to-make-your-own
Yes, you could maybe even add this to your website?
Feeling pleased with son’s school (boys private prep age 7-13). We had the return to school guff last week but just got an extra email from the headmaster acknowledging that there has been publicity over masks over the past few days and saying they have considered it but they are not going with it. Wrote to thank him.
Fantastic. Let’s hope he’s the first of many!
With regard to the ghastly
gulagschool assembly picture.Did you spot the kid centre front with the mask worn under his nose and barely covering his mouth?
There lies the hope of the future!
You appear to be complying with government guidance as you are so no need to change anything. Just send a polite reply stating this with link to government website and leave it at that.
Humour is not dead in this dire state of Covid idiocy.
News headlines : People will have to travel no more than 75 miles to get a Covid test.
FFS! Anyone with a brain wouldn’t travel even 75 yards for such a pointless exercise.
Unfortunately for an increasing number of people they are obliged to get a test as a condition of their employment or in order to get medical treatment. People trying to negotiate the complex maze needed to visit a relative or friend in a care home may need to get a test.
I do think that testing is one area where we need to do all we can to raise questions, queries and challenges. The politicians, general public and the media seem to talk about testing as if the tests were as clear cut and definitive as the speed camera that says you were going too fast. Nobody seems to conceive even the remotest thought that the test itself, both the science and the statistics to interpret the results need to be challenged and reviewed – which of course, as regulars of this site will know, is an all too pressing need.
It is yet another example of the generally extremely poor journalism displayed throughout this Covid hoo-haa. It is shocking that the media does not even think to ask, what is this test? is it up to the task? should it be used to drive such huge public health policy decisions?
Very fair points re. the coercion factor.
… which is why the government can be accurately described as ‘Evil’.
As to ‘journalism’ – that profession disappeared in any meaningful sense a while back. Nick Davies coined the term ‘churnalism’ to describe its successor.
Apologies if this raised below, but also strongest possible resistance should be mounted to the pilot to test weekly(!) in Salford, spending £500M! J Hunt on about ideally testing the whole population every week, genuinely never dreamed this level of madness was on the cards.
I think this virus must have the best PR agent in the business, it has managed to make fools out of us at every turn. We now have very little Covid19 disease/death and yet we are all getting hysterical about testing and wearing a facemask (our new religious talisman).
Just seeing a report on the news about religious groups in Korea who refuse to get tested, not my reason for refusal but good to see testing refusal in the news. Also good to see that despite the frustration of the authorities they are currently holding to the International agreements and are accepting that medical interventions can only happen with the consent of the person concerned. Good for them I say.
I’ve drafted a letter to my MLA and MP on that basis specifically. It makes it simple for them to focus on a very specific aspect of the whole mess – test sensitivity – and if you can get them on board it’ll lead to other light bulb moments.
If they still do not acknowledge the clear evidence and concerns, they are empty suits, nothing more, and should be disregarded as a means to ending this.
Maybe remind them that the last time they did things for good intentions it cost the UK over a billion – RHI scandal
Is it actually legal to suddenly change the terms of employees’ contracts? Do they not have to at least give reasonable notice too?
I believe it’s legal for them to change stuff in an employment contract “within reason,” and not necessarily in writing.
What a phony virus this is. Who has ever had flu or a bad cold and felt well enough to drive a few miles let alone 75 miles!
I’m fed up now. This is what I’m writing to the headmaster.
Any suggestions/corrections welcome!
Dear (…)
I am sorry to say, that you do not have our support in this case. I am aware that the school is following governmental rules, but we cannot support a draconian system which is harmful to children.
We resist the “new normal” and will not send our child to school until all anti-social distancing and mask mandatory rules are scraped. We will not pay any punishment for not sending our child to school, because we do not want to prevent him from education, but want to protect him from social engineering and child abuse.
There is no evidence that face masks are helpful; in fact, many doctors say the opposite: Wearing a face mask reduces the supply of oxygen, can cause different skin problems, reduces a healthy immune system and can lead to damage to the brain.
Not to mention the psychological effects from not seeing each other’s facial expressions and having to constantly dwell in fear of infection – even though, there is no reason for that. Children are more likely to die in a car crash or get struck from lightening than to die from coronavirus! Teachers are also not in danger, unless they belong to the elderly and vulnerable.
This pandemic is not about a virus. It’s all about control and is heading towards a mandatory vaccination. The death rate of this virus is below that of the seasonal flu. Bestselling German author professor Dr Med. Bhakdi says that there is no evidence that anyone died of Covid-19 who wasn’t’ suffering from underlying issues (in some cases only discovered later).
When we signed up (name) to (name) we signed him up to a school where pupils’ freedom and rights are respected. We didn’t sign him up to a school that disrespects freedom and doesn’t put pupils’ mental health and dignity in first place.
Kind regards,
Personally, I’d leave out the “no evidence anyone ever died of covid “. It might make him think you are a crank (even if it’s true)
WOW, good job, I wish you well. What a horrible thing to have to do. I would leave out the damage to the brain bit too, your right I am sure it will cause brain damage in more ways than one but it sounds a bit “out there” the rest is fine.
Evidence doesn’t matter to these people they won’t read it and they won’t understand it either if they did so don’t worry about not putting in any hard facts.
If I had a child at school, no way would they be going into this new normal PPE hell. No way.
Suggest government guidance rather than rules. You can then point out that this means they can be interpreted in a reasonable manner taking into account a proper risk assessment which includes an educated, reasonable, approach to the probability of any risks identified.
I was thinking that – wasn’t there an announcement recently to the effect that muzzles don’t have to be worn in schools?
Only in areas of local lockdown
Scrapped not scraped; lightning not lightening.
Miss out the part about “heading towards a mandatory vaccination” for the same reason as Marie R suggests.
Otherwise excellent.
What is the actual legality regarding these forced enmaskings? Seems shady at best to me.
Entirely at the discretion of the Head outside lockdown areas. Suspect it would fall under uniform rules.
So do I. It’s a bit “out there” for uniform though, so would probably fail a reasonableness test?
I’m no lawyer but yes, agree with failing a reasonableness test – if the school’s assessment does not mention any potential psychological effects, surely that is negligence.
Furthermore, no reasonable person [ie. without an agenda] will tell you that a mask does not potentially interfere with a person’s breathing – the vid someone posted a while ago where a Firefighter demonstrates with his oxygen machine, is excellent. I highly doubt that they can legally mandate something that physically impacts on a child’s ability to breathe!
Have you exhausted comms already? If it was the mask thing that has tipped the scale, have you asked them for their health and safety assessment in terms of wearing them which can disprove your concerns? Have you cited the actual law on the matter, as they are breaking it most definitely of outside a lockdown area?
While I understand the resolve now to home school, there may be one or two battles to be won before giving up on the war
Yes, definitely ask for a copy of their risk assessment..
Thanks – yes it’s outside lockdown areas. So, an interesting point that they made the mask mandatory everywhere outside of classroom. I will add the fact. Thanks.
Loads of schools outside lockdown areas have gone over the PM’s head and made masks mandatory. I’m surprised it has raised as little fuss as it has TBH.
‘Scrapped’ not ‘scraped’..
Is the school following governmental rules? Boris has said masks aren’t necessary.. Has the school misinterpreted what is actual law and what is just recommendations?
School Heads banging on for months about how nothing is their decision & they need more clarity… suddenly have found their voice and decided they are going to implement their own rules anyway..
See comment above. Seems like this school wants to be ahead of things …
Yep, they made the mask mandatory everywhere except classrooms. They will also be doing PE in their uniforms.
Thank you for your responses!
Most people are ignoring the masked thing.
Lidl for me this morning, a few non-masked including me and some under-the-nose wearers, but compliance still high. Completely different in the streets, only about 10% masked when outside. The routine is to shove it on/off the face when entering/leaving a shop.
Why Are Covid-19 Cases Soaring In NZ? PCR Test Update
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcONxyAJ8S4
Dr. Sam Bailey
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creativity, inventiveness?
Are they “soaring”?
Appalled by the what happened to the woman in Victoria. I hope every politician etc, involved in this hangs their heads in shame, they are a disgrace to humanity
I read somewhere ‘government is a lightning rod for defective personalities’. Perfect
What version did you watch, the You Tube one had hardly any masked protesters
They are not protesting anything. XR are effectively a government department, and this is their team building day trip/party.
Besides, they are getting everything they want. Massive reductions in carbon emissions due to lockdown and the prospect of widespread death and suffering in the human population. No wonder they are celebrating.
They’ll call it a “team away day” based on my public sector experience.
“..reductions in carbon emissions due to lockdown.” well yes and no, I’m acquainted with someone who is, not sure a fully paid up member, but certainly a strong supporter of XR, – they are virtue signalling about how every week a record number of migrants are coming, and apparently even more so across Europe. But then again, as they’re exempt from social distancing requirements, I’m assuming migrants don’t emit carbon either..
Sandy McFadzean – Late entry for sceptic of the week? Shame about his wife though.
Minister Chloe Smith has distanced herself from her husband’s comments on Covid-19, which he described as “most likely an outbreak of mental illness”.
Sandy McFadzean also called for an end to social distancing, track and trace and the use of face coverings.
Mr McFadzean, who is a vice-president of investment bank Credit Suisse, attended last weekend’s march in London against coronavirus restrictions.
He tweeted: “Covid-19 is most likely an outbreak of mental illness.”
A further post read: “Government need to be clear. Either there is a killer virus on the loose or there isn’t. (Spoiler alert: There isn’t).”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54017134?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/coronavirus&link_location=live-reporting-story
Soon to be changed to: “Mr McFadzean, was a vice-president of investment bank Credit Suisse”
Amazingly it’s not a matter of if but when, I’d give it less than a month.
Hummm I dunno, the Swiss are pretty Cheesy.
Chocolatey too.
Extinction of common sense.
I’m a veteran of the tree-hugging road protestor movement from back in the 90s, but there’s nothing spontaneous or radical about these so-called protestors. It’s just theatre. Unwitting pawns, the lot of them.
The planet can (and will) look after itself.
The only species going extinct at this rate is humanity, through utter lunacy.
Planet Earth has been around for more than 4 and one half billion years and has seen a lot worse than what the Extinction Rebellion crazies are ranting about at the beginning of the 21st Century. By a long shot. Too bad they weren’t around for the last extinction event, with the dinosaurs.
Yes, Unwitting state-sponsored change agents
Yep the leeway they were given last year made it obvious they were sanctioned protests.BLM come under that banner too
Hancock said today that it will be all over by christmas, 9 news in Australia is reporting to Australians the same thing. Worldwide plandemic or what.
They said that about World War 1.
Well we all know it’s all over now, but at the moment I would settle for Christmas
It is indeed ‘over’ now. In fact it was over a couple of months back. That’s why I won’t settle for Christmas.
Indeed, Christmas 2025.
Wow, that’s uncharacteristically optimistic for him, what’s happened?
Is that because the US election is in November?
If all over by Christmas, why the announcement that everyone must submit to regular testing?
That’s because he knows a vaccine will be announced in the next couple of months.
My Last Video for YouTubeVernon Coleman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahoCKk8w5oQ
They’ve been removing his videos due to criticising vaccines and the standard of healthcare generally in the UK.
Thanks for the link. He is a great man. He sounds like he and Mrs Coleman may have use for helpful assistance to set up an uncensorable system of video publishing. If anyone has expertise.
Just like james bond… he will return!
Thank you Vernon.
IFFIm, the International Finance Facility for Immunisation, was founded in 2006 and provides funding for Gavi, the Vaccine Alliance.
I wondered why they used the first 2 letters of Immunisation (Im) at the end of the acronym, instead of using just the first letter, like for the preceding 3 words.
But then I spotted the obvious, which must have occurred to them too, when they set it up. Take away the ‘m’ and pronounce it as a word and to an English speaker you’ve got something that suggests (or maybe even perfectly describes) the nature of the whole shebang. Can’t have that.
Reply that you only respond to real people. An anonymous questioner has just as much credibility as an anonymous source, which is zero!
Mrs and I rocked up at Costco Cardiff this afternoon. We were last there 6 weeks ago. Flabbergasted to now see a sign mandating face muzzles, as they are not required for shopping in Wales! Thinking on my feet, I just said “we’re both exempt” as I presented my card. “Fine” came the reply, and in we went. We were the only ones there unmasked. All the staff were masked. Didn’t feel out of place at all. Very odd.
Thanks for this. Costco have been hitting me with spam mail since just after the lockdown. I have wondered what it’s like on the ground. Premandatory masks they were dead. I haven’t been since.
Good, and somewhat surprising news, up to 2500 fans will be allowed to watch Cambridge United’s first home match of the season. Stadium is close to me. I’ll try and get tickets and report back. https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11750/12062584/efl-to-trial-return-of-supporters-in-two-test-events-at-cambridge-united
That’s a good number. My post yesterday about football quoted 30% of maximum capacity, so I guess theirs might be 8000.
It’s not a big stadium, 8,000 max. But very rarely do not get a crowd of this size. Before lockdown madness, most home matches felt like you were socially distancing anyway as crowds so small!
Common Colds are developing in Scottish Schools. As expected after isolation. Not as expected given the extraordinary nation crippling measures Jason Leitch CMO and Devi Sridhar have overseen.
One superb lady has asked Jason and Devi to give comment about just what’s going on, surely masks and gels and isolations ought to be stopping colds. You may like to keep an eye on their conversation to see Jason and Devi answers.
https://twitter.com/betleanne/status/1301256810507243525?s=20
The months of isolation have of course made kids more likely to catch coughs and colds, not less.
That’s of course correct. We are social and out immune systems are too. This enforced separation is clearly going to cause an increase in colds. This is proof the mask regime is in effective.
I would find it fairly amusing if a literal WAVE of “The Sniffles” swept across the country in schools and workplaces. Clear proof that the INSANE PPE/COVID SAFTEY has no effect on anything apart from totally messing up people’s immune systems.
Precisely. This whole shambles has stored up massive side-effects thanks to the ever-present brain dead.
Email from my local non-chain cinema, reopening on 7 September. Face coverings required everywhere except when eating and drinking.
My feedback:
Unfortunately I will NOT be visiting your cinema as long as face coverings are required. These items are potentially damaging to the wearer’s health, do little or nothing to protect others, and create a dystopian atmosphere. I have no wish to undergo that unpleasant experience.
… unless the film is something like 1984, in which case it will be a fully immersive experience.
Or these:
THX 1138
Equilibrium
Equals
Triumph of the Will
The Great Dictator
Within 40 minutes their Visitor Services Manager sent me a reply, probably one they’d prepared earlier. Largely what one would expect, following mandatory government guidelines, safety of visitors is our priority, blah blah blah.
So in the event someone gets seriously ill (or, sadly, like the Priest in Cameroon who dropped dead, apparently from breathing problems) I take it said Manager is perfectly happy to accept liability?
If masks are required except for when eating and drinking in the cinema then I reckon that makes them nil and void anyway. I stopped going to the cinema years ago because of the constant rustling, slurping and loud chewing as people attempted to consume their own body weight in sugar, saturated fat and E numbers in the space of 90 minutes.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12573090/pub-restaurant-workers-masks-middlesbrough-shamed/ another mayor who knows better than his citizens
This absolute arsehole of a mayor is the twat who kept all parks in Middlesbrough closed as long as he possibly could. He lives in a palatial country house with acres of gardens near Thirsk or somewhere – far enough away from the “chavs” he governs.
In a former life I washed up dishes. It’s never left me. Every time I eat out now I think about the people out the back.
Prats like that mayor would have benefitted from such an experience – I’m guessing he hasn’t, because if he had worked in kitchens he’d know better.
Just as shocking as the pregnant mother arrested in Australia!
It shows that the fear of local mockdowns has got the councils doing Wancock’s dirty work for him.
Pity the article didn’t mention mask exemption!
Some good news/Common sense.
At our local secondary school the pupils have not got to wear face nappies ( unless they want to) anywhere in the whole school.
Fantastic to hear!
This is inline with the Sec of State answer to Huw Merriman MP A day or so ago in the commons. Only where there is a local lockdown are school pupils required to wear masks.
Huw Merriman twitter holds the video clip and text explanation.
Respond by posting the reasons on your website, rather than by replying to one person.
It has the advantages of:
1) You can have a subtle go at the other cafes who think it is alright to spread infection by having the staff frequently touch their bacteria ridden masks then touch the fork you are about to put in your mouth.
2) You will never change the opinions of the believers, you have to try to sway the unsure.
3) As others have suggested, the self important wanker who contacted you, doesn’t get their moment of glory by you responding to them personally.
One I do try to harp on to people about – is that invariably those who obsess over social distancing, masks, want screens down the middle of corridors at work or whatever, yet apparently have no problems touching a card machine (or even a handle, or counter) in a shop that may not have been sanitized for – how long?
Well today I bought a load of fruit and veg from a stall in the indoor market. This dates back to Victorian times, the roof is about 30ft high, so not much different to an outdoor stall. Despite this the council have put up large notices on the doors to say that you have to wear a mask on entry.
I went in without a mask and was pleased to see that the people running the stall were also mask-less. Having got everything I needed I asked if I could pay with cash. It just so happened that the chap who runs the business was next to me re-filling some of the stock (they are family-owned and have been around for nearly 150 years). He said ‘Oh yes, we like cash round here’. Maybe there is hope after all!
I’ve not been into a supermarket since just before the lockdown. It’s fruit and veg from the market stall, the milk gets delivered and there are three mini-marts within half a mile of me for nearly everything else. The shop at the local petrol station even does a very nice Australian red!
I would much rather give my custom to these places as the shopping experience is pretty much as before and I can be in and out in 5 minutes. I also get to pay with cash.
Use cash where possible, especially if buying something from a small business. So many of them are having to pay a fortune in card fees at the moment.
Thursday is market day – the fishmongers stall has two signs up – ‘No masks’ and ‘Cash only’.
The WHO say Covid19 isn’t about a virus, it’s about changing our society.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1301489339260710912
They have actually been saying that in plain English since mid-March, but yet everyone persists in thinking this is temporary.
Tucker Carlson has been one of the very few MSM figureheads in the USA to hold some kind of line throughout this. Full credit to him for broadcasting this quote from that odious, corrupt cretin at the WHO:
“We will not, we cannot go back to the way things were.“
Said a few days after Wuhan held a massive pool party.
I said this weeks ago.Covid/Climate change are just an excuse to control us.
Funny how all the things aren’t about the virus. Vistaprint keep telling us that masks are about freedom and solidarity, but definetely not about the virus!
I have tried common sense, and statistics to try to get people to listen so I am now having a go at humour. I had this article published on the Off-Guardian website today.
https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/03/hancocks-half-hour/,
Hopefully, it may give a few of you a laugh for a couple of minutes to relive you from the frustration and anger we are all feeling at this ongoing madness.
Check Out to Help Out. Very good!
Excellent humour Stephen, even my wife laughed out loud and she’s pretty depressed by the whole carry on at present—so many thanks for that.
I’m old enough to remember Tony Hancock in ‘Hancock’s half hour’ and how most of the viewing population would be watching it on TV. My dad would have tears streaming down his face at the goings on at Railway Cuttings. In fact, I have all the series on DVD and watch them every so often. Your article has reminded me that I must get them out again. Sid James of course was the ideal foil for Hancock and was the original cheeky–but lovable–chappy. I was trying to think who could be the foil for your ‘Hapless Hancock’ character but in a sea of dreadful, hard hearted, lying, two faced nasty politicians no one springs to mind…..none of them have the humanity to make you even smile never mind laugh.
Read it earlier. Didn’t realise it was written as fiction
Actually it made me chuckle – thanks! You may be interested to know (he began, a sure-fire formula to make the listener’s eyes glaze over) that a chum of mine, a chemist (i.e. a real chemist, not a pharmacist) living in Brighton, got so sick of the herring gulls on the front stealing his ice-creams and whatnot that he put some pellets of calcium carbide in chunks of bread, hoping to produce the Wöhler Reaction (acetylene gas and calcium hydroxide) when said pellets arrived in the gulls’ stomachs. The gulls scarfed all the bread down with their usual aplomb and — nothing happened. Nothing at all. A herring gull can apparently digest anything and, I would suggest, is unlikely to succumb to something as minor as a corona virus. Bubonic plague, perhaps, might cause it to take the afternoon off, but nothing more.
You wrote that? It’s brilliant.
We needed a laugh today. Thank you!
Well done. I needed a laugh
Thank you for that – it got my day off to a good start!
Humza Yousaf has proclaimed that Scots returning from Portugal must quarantine for 14 days . This follows on from Wales. How long before Bojo does as bidden?
Tomorrow
They love making new laws and restrictions at the end of the week. I usually receive unwanted bills or threatening letters from my social housing administration on Fridays.
A new law was passed on 28th August that enabled a junior officer to issue Piers Corbyn with his £10k fine. Yes they like passing laws.
11pm via twitter.
Need to be more precise 5PM tomorrow!
Reported first on LOCKDOWN SCEPTICS
Just for once; could the useless bag of lard wobble on his own two feet, show a hint of backbone and not trot behind the wee krankee and leave Portugal quarantine free! At least till next Thursday
Inevitable. Policy is led entirely by the media now.
Grant Shapps said Greece and Portugal air corridors remain open so that will be tomorrow then
So, last weeks XR and BLM marches were described like this by their organizers:
Extinction Rebellion (XR) have revealed plans for a ‘civilly disobedient long weekend’ and urged its supporters to join a BLM march from Notting Hill to Hyde Park.
The demonstration, dubbed the ‘Million People March’, will call for the defunding of police forces.
Were there a million? Don’t think so.
Did they get fined?
It appears that outside influences have taken control of the British Parliament. The people sitting in Parliament no longer represent Queen & Country, nor do their actions of the past six months. They are traitors to the Union Jack and freedom loving people and for that reason they must be put on trial for treason.
They probably represent the Queen and he establishment and the subservience that flows.
But definitely not ‘the country’.
There was 400 at the Million People March, and from what I’ve seen of the footage around 250-300 were white.
Previously they requested an organised police presence… for an anti-police march!
https://www.theblaze.com/furnace/police-officer-protesters-request-police-presence-for-defund-the-police-rally-citing-safety
Wow that is pretty laughable!
Been down the pub. Lucky in that the place is completely ignoring the nonsense as soon as you walk in the door. I’ve been relentless in hitting people with sceptic logic. Had a really good conversation with a bloke whose Dad died with the virus back in April. Obviously I’m very respectful of his sad loss (Dad was 84 with heart and kidney failure).
He’s a sceptic. “We just have to get back on with our lives again or this will never bloody end.”
This evening
New Normal looks well like the OLD NORMAL
Football training and a match on local field looked well – NORMAL
Ice cream shops and chips shops Looked NORMAL
People walking talking sitting Looked NORMAL
Local Garage NORMAL
Café etc looked NORMAL
Did not venture into mask hotspots why spoil it!
Lots of people want normal, and have mentally moved on from the deadly virus nonsense. We need them to push back against the stupid rules and laws and lies now.
Exactly.Just enjoy the normal stuff
This from Sky News Australia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut2bA48ASrw
Wow, wish we had that kind of broadcasting here – very powerful stuff.
I just cannot believe what Australia is tolerating. It’s insane! I’d really like to think if they tried that shit here there would be some kind of rebellion. What happened to Aussies???
I’d like to think so too, but I fear most of the population is in the grip of boiling frog syndrome.
Wow! Wtf are our presenters showing so much anger about all that our pathetic parliamentarians are up to. Is this why they took Neil off air?
BBC is being reformed Boris has said. Decriminalised by November. Next is to alter the funding structure. This is in answer to a commons question regarding the unfairness of licence fee required for other channel viewing – which will be addressed says Boris. BBC bias is also going to get a look at apparently. Subscription model?
Mayhar Tousi youtube channel shows the commons exchange.
You have to be a bit dim to think that anything proposed by this bunch of spivs will be for the public benefit.
I can’t see Johnson correcting the establishment/right bias of the BBC when it has served him so well.
Off topic, but if the BBC is so right-wing, why is the PM doing anything against it? Let’s say it’s to please his core supporters – Tories. So why would lots of Tories want to attack the BBC if it’s so right-wing?
Anyway, rant over. I loathe the BBC but I don’t give a fuck what the PM does or says about them or about anything else except getting back to normal. I don’t care if he turns water into wine, as long as he presides over this madness he should be given no credit whatsoever for anything he does. No-one should be distracted by this.
The state propaganda apperatus has been and remains a core component of the lockdown machinery.
It’s a Cummings project. They threatened the beeb during the election campaign when it sailed a bit close to the wind. As a result, it backed off interviewing key Tory figures. It’s yet another powermongering exercise.
The BBC absolutely crucified Corbyn, are you kidding? There was nightly abuse for nearly four years. I know of no other politician who would have stood up to that and been unphased, particularity at his age, whatever you think of his politics. (I was ambivalent but I admired his guts.) That makes the BBC right wing in my view.
Are you sure you’re watching the BBC? Right wing bias? Bizarre!
Main function is to promote the false statistics and plandemic propaganda.
Decriminalising the license fee in Nov is the thing to note.
Restructuring the funding system, makes the bias actually irrelevant.
Though apparently the bias will be looked at – every side says the BBC biased. Being objective about a bias of something so complex is not something anyone can reasonably expect to be a success, in my opinion.
Decriminalise – people then are free to show what they think of the bias.
Even if they decriminalise it you can bet the BBC will be issuing a load of Civil cases in the same way private parking companies do. So even if they can’t get you criminal record they will either recoup their licence fee or ruin your credit rating.
Ok. So without the treat of prison people are going to continue to stump up for a poor service. If the Conservatives create a mess like you describe the nation will never vote for them again. It’s clear that a fresh system without meat hooks is what is being called for.
The country will always vote for the Tories as there no viable alternative.
I don’t hold too many hope for reform. Tousi’s video tonight had the title saying the License fee had been cancelled, all that Bozo has said is there will be reform, and he will more than likely cave in any way as he doesn’t have any substance.
Might be a little warning for the BBC to keep up the fear porn
That would be my take on it. The rest of the media is starting to print sceptical articles and showing that the stats are against HMG’s narrative. Act of desperation and yet another useful red herring.
The EU do publish a database of their funding (& grant) recipients in an online database…suffice to say the BBC will have no choice but to reform their funding structure, leaving behind the EU’s not insignificant income contribution to their coffers.
A household tax has been mooted more than once over the past couple of years and some other EU countries have one. They’d better not dare!
Just written to our MP
Dear
Whereas we had differing views at the last election as to the necessity of recognising the results of the Brexit referendum, events surrounding Covid 19 have overtaken everything. As our MP we are not sure what the (Opposition) position is regarding the government’s position to this continuing lockdown. We have become increasingly concerned that no one seems to know in relation to Covid 19 ‘WHAT IS THE END GAME’?
What is the magic formula that is going to allow us to sound the all clear?
Is it zero cases? The only way that will happen is if we just stop testing and stop reporting!
Is it a vaccine? It took 25 years for a chicken pox vaccine to be developed. The smallpox inoculation was discovered in 1796 the last known natural case was in 1977.
Is this government waiting for a vaccine, which may or may not come; and which is unlikely to be 100% effective?
For the past 9 weeks the Office for National Statistics has been reporting that of the 9000 or so weekly deaths less than 2% is being caused by Covid 19; whereas over 10% is being caused by summer seasonal flu. May we not just have to learn to live with this virus as we do with seasonal flu? This virus is not nearly as deadly as the flu in 1957 and 1968, both of which we lived through without destroying our way of life.
We have family living in Sweden for over 40 years. Many of us in back in March thought a more nuanced approach along the lines of Sweden with social distancing and good hygiene would have been more appropriate – and they have performed infinitely better than us with schools open and their economy not completely trashed.
The evidence currently is now strongly suggesting that there has been a total over-reaction by the government and with the ‘cure’ causing so much excess death and misery.
Without wishing to appear cynical is this not fertile territory for an opposition? What is the (Opposition) view on this current fiasco and can you share it with us and give us some hope?
Yours sincerely
P.S. We are both in our seventies, know that most of life is now behind us, but do not wish to live for however long we have left with this so called ‘new normal’.
Good Letter
If he/she is an opposition MP, not a chance (and I speak as an ex Labour voter)
I think they have switched the propaganda switch back to climate change, it’s their next target. We have had global lockdown, restructuring of health, education, travel, commerce, finance, work removal of all rights, almost cashless, and ID scheme on the way with vaccines…its mission accomplished, now its how to re-build our new kinder greener fairer more loving and caring carbon zero world.
They have to move fast on this one as the virus isn’t that scary any more. Time for them is running out.
Just watching tonight’s ‘Prom’ (BBC 4).
How depressing – the music can’t compensate for the pointless token antisocial distancing of performers and the lack of an audience.
Still – I’m sure that some will be delighted that people ‘know their place’.
There should be no forgiveness for the instigators – of which this is just a minor incident in a catalogue of horrors. But will we ever have the equivalent of the Nuremberg Trials?
I wouldn’t call this a minor incident. This goes to the heart of the destruction of everything that it means to be human. Music, and in particular public performances, has been one of our greatest sources of inspiration, comfort and community for millennia. This has been completely crushed out of existence by the puritanical zealotry and sadistic cruelty of the Covid cult miserablists.
The removal of music is the thing I miss the most.
Reading your reply reminds me of how far we have fallen. How can this be happening?
I used to gate crash parties. I could almost always find one going on, in a house after the pubs kicked out, in the woods, up a track in the middle nowhere all over the country, in this country and in all other ones I have every visited. Music everywhere..
All those festivals, all those gigs, all those pubs with music on everywhere, the morris dancing, all those shows all over the country, the ploughing contests, agricultural shows, local fêtes, church jumble-sales, steam rallies, car shows.
ALL OF IT
FORBIDDEN
Almost like Oliver Cromwell has returned.
Agree. I’m sure music will be back, under the correct ‘conditions’. Which will probably mean phone-app confirmation and even then still probably social distancing… the O2 will have about 800 people in it max so prices will soar to accommodate – I fear people will have basically a either/or choice, – it’ll be like, hmmm shall I get a ticket to see The Stones, or buy a new Land Rover?!
Live music is the most powerful force to pull people together. No wonder it’s as good as banned.
I can’t disagree.
I am involved with orchestral music at an accomplished amateur level, but can’t face participating in the resumption of rehearsals when the whole orchestra can’t meet together at once, and the shrunken bodies that can meet are bound by stupid rules that inhibit normal functioning. I probably wouldn’t be able to keep my mouth shut.
I find very few members who have clocked that this is one big scam, and quite a few who seem to relish the artificial ‘glory’ of devising ways of complying with diktat.
What is sad is that a large proportion of the membership are within the age-group that is least affected – and usually possessing qualifications at first degree level or above. A number teach at university, and there’s a good sprinkling of medical personnel, as well. But I’ve seen little resistance.
… then there’s the folk groups and choirs that haven’t met for six months – as you say, part of what society is about.
As I’ve said – the instigators of this corruption of Life should not be forgiven.
Start a sceptics orchestra? Go underground like Christians in China.
http://www.laworfiction.com/2020/07/bands-and-orchestras-can-gather-together/
But let’s not forget that you can convince them to meet together normally! Granted uphill struggle if infested with bedwetters but it should reassure those who just go along with it to know that nothing in the law actually prevents it.
Totally agree. I am a professional opera singer who has lost all income this year due to cancelled contracts and, to add insult to injury, ineligible for state handouts. It feels that I myself have been ‘cancelled’ and my expertise, experience and craft built up over a career of over 30 years has been sacrificed to the warped sense of risk of an idiotic governmental and public sector elite. I feel utterly betrayed and incandescent with rage.
There are no words sufficient to describe the depth of evil that has inflicted these grievous wounds. My heart goes out to you.
I watched the testimony (on the Anna Brees YouTube channel) of a woman who was a freelance singer specialising in performances in care homes. Needless to say her livelihood has been totally annihilated.
You have my total empathy. But I know that alters absolutely nothing.
My daughter works in the theatre, and being employed by a national company, hasn’t suffered financially. But there’s no real performance going on, and she feels deeply what is being inflicted on colleagues in companies elsewhere.
Your rage is totally justified.
I work in the arts too. I don’t know if you agree with this but as far as I understand this is all about taking all the joy out of our lives. This is a deliberate ploy. Politicians are miserable cunts at the best of times (never knew one who went to the theatre when I was more active in it) and they want you to be as miserable as them.
Did you catch why Alina Ibragimova wasn’t playing? Have to say I quite enjoyed the slightly dumpy stand in and thought she played beautifully. But the faux hugs were sickening.
No – I didn’t catch up with that detail. I think I was too bound up with the utter desolation at this travesty of what is a social experience. I felt immensely sad – to the extent of finding it hard to enjoy the Bach Double and happy memories of playing it – to a f.ing audience.
I just felt overwhelmed at the disconnect with the empty hall and the thin applause from the performance. It seemed a symbol of all that this evil embodies.
She withdrew because of the death of her father.
https://www.aier.org/article/the-covid-19-catastrophe/
“By the time things have returned to normal, the total price tag, just in terms of lost incomes and adjusted for inflation, will have exceeded the costs of all the wars the US has ever fought, from the American Revolution to Afghanistan – combined.”
Worth reading.Costs in the US.
Some will be quids in on a massive scale. Assets cheap. Monopoly control of essential industries like food, communications, goods transport. All assured.
Hi, sorry if someone else has mentioned this – I haven’t looked through all 1188 comments. I’m afraid the “news” about Beneden School is incorrect. I love the blog, but I feel you should correct that to maintain trust in your content.
Please see the “Stop Press” above. Turns out that it wasn’t the entire school that was sent home — just some of them.
Many thanks for checking and amending. Keep up the good work.
I meant Bedales, obvs. Getting my posh schools mixed up.
It was the best of times, it was the worst of times
Insanity was the normality
You spun your web, you drew me in
I was blind but now I see
~ Lone Wolf ~
Remember?
We are the hollow men
We are the stuffed men
Leaning together
Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!
Our dried voices, when
We whisper together
Are quiet and meaningless
As wind in dry grass
or rats’ feet over broken glass
In our dry cellar
Shape without form, shade without colour,
Paralysed force, gesture without motion;
Those who have crossed
With direct eyes, to death’s other kingdom
Remember us – if at all – not as lost
Violent souls, but only
As the hollow men
The stuffed men.
Eliot nailed it!
Just seen this on the Facebook group UK Lockdown Sceptics
Not a good look for BTP
https://www.facebook.com/groups/2711249702437114/permalink/2832846496944100/
Private group so can’t see anything when clicking on the link.
I know we tend to highlight the absurdities of various restrictions / masks on this website, but I am seeing more things returning to ‘old’ normal in my part of the world. Kids football training very normal – no real restrictions other than elbow touches instead of handshakes. More people out and about and very few wearing masks in open air. Shops still lots of mask-madness, but get impression people don’t want to get in trouble, rather than believing they make any difference. Schools starting back – great! The more people come out – and do the things they did before lockdown – the easier it is for them to see the risk is practically zero. Of course, there’s still people who are very scared and make a lot of noise online, but I really do believe this group is becoming a minority. Massive percentage of people ready to be converted to scepticism. Anyone else seeing reasons to be cheerful?
There’s potential but it needs to be realised. There’s an appetite for normality, but there is apathy and laziness and the desire not to make or get into trouble. There are lots of mad people, but fewer than one might think from social and mainstream media.
The trouble is that there’s a danger of a huge pushback from government and their collaborators if they see the narrative beginning to unravel – manufactured second wave, much more censorship, dirtier and dirtier tactics. It may get nasty.
And I don’t consider schools “back” while there are so many stupid rules and restrictions, and so many extra-curricular activities not happening. The government must not take credit for getting schools back.
Agreed.
I’d like to be optimistic, but psychopathy still dominates.
Yep, still lots of lazy people who are happy to put up with the “minor inconveniences” they seem to think masking, testing and shutting down business, arbitrary one way systems and sanitising everything 10 times an hour are. What they don’t realise is that by going along, even though they don’t believe in it, is helping the government and giving more fuel for them to continue their fabricated emergency.
All the time. It’s slow, but it’s there.
People being scared for getting into trouble is part of the problem. Resistance gets you into trouble. If there’s no resistance we remain as we are. Breaking the rules is what we’re supposed to do if the rules are bollocks.
One post, two anecdotes.
No. 1. I have an ongoing battle with my boss’s boss about a specific issue that he thinks I should be responsible for and my basic point is that the data is trash. I’ve become unpopular because I’ve been pointing out that the data is trash rather than taking responsibility for the “problem” that the data suggests. I spent several hours today coaching the two other people who make up my team into understanding why the data is trash and let them go first on our weekly call with boss’s boss. I then came in with the rest.
Result was, ‘the data guy’ said “you’ve really drilled into the data. Thank you for helping us understand what’s going on.” ‘Drilling into the data’ took me 25 minutes this morning. Apparently an entire department hadn’t been able to work out what was blindingly obvious. My highest maths-related qualifications are a couple of GCSEs more than a quarter of a century old.
My point being, it’s shocking how bad the ability of even intelligent, qualified people is to understand what numbers mean. But it’s also surprising how effective building a story around them can be. Don’t lose hope.
No. 2. Trivial, but I met up for a few drinks with 3 friends today who I haven’t seen for at least 6 months. All a bit older than me, in their early 50s, all of them partners in their respective law firms. About 20 minutes in, one of them said to me “you’re usually better informed on this stuff. When is the country actually going to be able to get back to work?” I started my reply with “I can’t answer that question, because the whole thing is complete nonsense and even if you don’t think it was nonsense to begin with, it’s obviously nonsense now.” Cue an absolute torrent of scepticism. They all (a Brit, an Aussie and a Kiwi) buy absolutely none of it. Good stuff.
The end.
Fully agree re anecdote 1. I broached the masks thing with work people at the pub today and they were surprisingly receptive.
I meant to add – one of the 3 is a friend of a certain odious GMB presenter. Apparently he (the presenter) has been getting a lot of abuse on various WhatsApp groups from friends (and relatives) lately and simply won’t listen to it.
“My point being, it’s shocking how bad the ability of even intelligent, qualified people is to understand what numbers mean.”
I think you’re spot on.
There’s a major lacuna in terms of basic mathematical literacy, with skills such as assessment of probability, estimation of risk and simply the ability to read data or a graph etc. woefully lacking.
It is a serious problem
I’ve been battling against this particular piece of data-driven lunacy all year (not the lockdown, my work thing). The people who have been looking at the data and hitting me with it are eminently qualified to analyse data – and in fact, it’s their whole job. Today’s little reveal, for me, was that it all comes down to belief. If you start with a point of view that if things are bad, the data will say Y and then you see Y, then you won’t bother to question that things are bad. It really only took two or 3 examples of how apparent Y did not mean Y to get them to talk about changing the whole system around measuring Y. Personally, I think this is what Heneghan is doing. Call me an optimist, but I think he’ll get there.
People see what they want to see, all too often. Back in March, on another site, somebody asked me if I agreed the R0 rate was 3. I replied that the R0 rate might be anything unless we knew precisely how many people were infected and infectious, and how easy or difficult it is to pass on the disease.
I’m still certain we are unable to answer either question.
https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/1301551708754055168/photo/1
The most updated C-19 death by age in the USNew age group 0-17 years 85 deaths in 74 million. Almost 18000 other deaths during the same time. The list of deaths by age is the exact opposite of the Spanish flu. Project fear worst lie.
Holyrood No New Normal protest this Saturday has Speakers.
Flyer here:
https://twitter.com/ScottAnd67/status/1301451725203738625?s=20
Having read the stories of what children face when they return to school, I would really classify some of these strictures as a form of psychological abuse and adult bullying (don’t turn your head or you’re excluded? WTF?). These are not reasonable forms of discipline. I’d tend to agree that someone wants to make the whole experience so bad that teachers can go home. Fine. At this point I’d be happy for them all to go home permanently.
My first choice would be to take the kids out and homeschool, but if you can’t do that you should not be leaving your children at the mercy of this kind of totalitarianism. I would like to have some useful suggestions for providers of mental health advocacy for children, but I am not even sure those exist in the UK. My only suggestion would be to contact the NSPCC and ask if such things exist. The Chlldren’s and Adolescent Mental Health Service (CAMHS) in your area should have some advice about this also, but I’m well aware of how hard they are to deal with. Just don’t force your children to be part of things like this.
Just heard from my child’s school that they will be keeping the windows in the classroom open throughout the winter
And? We don’t have cold winters here and the fresh air will do them good. If that’s all you’ve got to moan about then you’re doing alright, aren’t you?
I suppose you are ok with the children in Scotland being made to stand outside in the rain as well as it’s character building
What?
Open windows are healthy
Being made to stand in the rain isn’t..
Moronic response.
Sitting in a classroom by the window in the middle of winter all day is healthy ,all for the sake of a non existent threat.Both examples of the moronic response of our teachers not mine
Open windows are not healthy in minus 10, so who’s the moron now?
Are you kidding? So that’s okay if there’s a northerly or easterly wind? Have you so conveniently forgotten ‘the beast from the east?’ How very complacent. You are justifying unnecessary draconian measures. Fuck me.
Mrs 2-6’s friend works in an office with a coronaphobe. She won’t allow the air conditioner to be turned on because it’s to windy and blows the covids about. She had to sit in the office in 35 dec C heat with it turned off to keep her colleague “safe”.
This is almost funny
That must feel something like working in a Snowglobe. The office will need a special shake before Christmas.
Ha I work in an office (well, worked, i now wfh…) with a guy who is always cold and wouldnt allow the air con on in similar temps, I just got up and said fuck this im going home. I might have stuck it out had I known i’d be spending the entirety of the following summer at home alone and should have cherished every day with human company
Why should your wife’s colleagues paranoia win out over other peoples comfort?
No idea, if I was her I would have told her not to be such a dick.
That isn’t such a bad idea really. However under the circumstances, it’s mental.
LynseybelleQ506 (@lynseybelle506) Tweeted:
This is my son’s maths teacher talking :face_with_symbols_over_mouth: https://t.co/cLVWKL6Dh6 https://twitter.com/lynseybelle506/status/1301498010661257219?s=20
What have we become.
A bunch of idiots apparently
I’m pretty sure this is as much illegal as corporal punishment is. My brother went to school in the sixties where, on occasion but rarely, they caned and slippered pupils for misdemeanours – I’m not in favour by the way and nor is he – but otherwise it was a bastion of liberalism and freedom compared to this. I think corporal punishment was abuse but it was of its time, this crap is psychological torture.
Simon Dolan is asking a direct question of Mike Wendling BBC disinformation unit head. Mike Wendling is not answering.
If you feel like asking for Mike to answer Simon’s question the details are here:
https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1301552064967958528?s=20
I was just reading some second world war history about the ‘few’, those battle of Britain pilots who quite literally saved Britain from a German invasion in 1940. In particular I was reminded of Douglas Bader who piloted a Spitfire with no legs and downed twenty two enemy aircraft before being shot down and ending up, after numerous escape attempts, as a prisoner in Colditz castle.
Bader coined the phrase:
Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men.
Can you imagine these men, brave, courageous, self sacrificing and above all not afraid to take real life or death risks being taken in by a so called life threatening virus that only exists in a computer model of a much discredited so called ‘expert’?
Fools obey rules because they cannot think for themselves and being led, yes, like sheep, is the only way they know. Wise men on the other hand know when rules are ridiculous, pathetic, contradictory and counter productive and even if they are mandatory, legal or the decree of idiot rulers know that their conscience will always object to following them.
So take heart fellow sceptics. When you feel that you cannot wear a useless mask, stand at a certain place because you are told, rub your hands with a solution before entry or treat other people around you if they have some imaginary plague believe this:
You are the wise men—the rest are the Fools.
Wonderful story of Bader giving a talk at an upmarket girls public school.
’So there were two of the f***ers behind me, three f***ers to my right, another f***er on the left,’ he told the audience. The headmistress went pale and interjected: ‘Ladies, the Fokker was a German aircraft.’ Sir Douglas replied: ‘That may be madam, but these f***ers were in Messerschmitts’.”
One on my favourites!
Douglas Bader walked up our driveway once, I heard his legs creaking as he walked, he was collecting for charity, my Dad said, that’s Douglass Bader he has wooden legs…That was in about 1979.
Read ‘First Light’ by Geoffrey Wellum.
Truly inspirational.
Guy came to lay some new flooring in my bathroom today.
It was only after he left that I realised there were no masks, no mention of masks, no weird physical distancing, other than what’s instinctive between two strangers. Perfectly normal, if minimal conversation. You’d never think there was a dystopian panic going on “out there.”
On the other hand, I went to Aldi this evening. It was reasonably busy for the time of day. I was the only unmasked customer, though the floorstaff were unmuzzled today.
I had a perfectly normal conversation about egg sizes with a bemuzzled shopper at the egg section. Weird!
Sooo how did this egg size conversation go?
Not sure there’s much normal talking to strangers about egg sizes I’m afraid Cheezilla
Don’t keep us in suspense!
Disappointing to see that protest groups in Australia are also full of 5G ‘conspiracy theorists’. There seems to be a lot of these people about at the minute. Could it be that genuine protests, based on sound lockdown scepticism, are being infiltrated by manufactured 5G crackpots to ridicule the whole cause? Any association with what is seen as the ‘tin foil hat brigade’ is a sure fire way of putting off sensible people. It will also provide ample ammo for the MSM to discredit any protest with the usual drivel of associating lockdown scepticism with flat earther’s and lizard people.
You will get an element of this for a couple of reasons. First off, these people have been protesting a lot longer than we have. Most lockdown sceptics have never really protested before in their lives.
Secondly, depending on the type of conspiracy, the government moving in so obviously a totalitarian direction, dropping a Chinese Communist Party policy of lockdown on us from the sky, is manna from heaven for them. It merely confirms what they have believed all along: that democracy and freedom is a sham, and that their favourite conspiracy is the one behind it and pulling all the strings.
I don’t really think any effort is required on the part of the authorities to “infiltrate” the sceptic movement. If anything, those of us who follow no conspiracy theories are quite probably the infiltrators!
5G is the tool which will enable the surveillance grid to be put in place.Since this has started ive been wearing a tin foil suit just to be sure
@Anthony I think to be objective that has actually happened in all protest movements forever almost. There are big movements that always jump on left side protests – the International Socialists, and in the Labour Party, A group bring a bit of anti semitism flavour that the mainstream must hate.
It’s just an opportunity for a day out for the extreme/loony groups to hitch their wagon to a bigger cause. I think it goes way back to antiVietnam protests in the US
You are certainly correct about groups linking causes, just look at Extinction Rebellion hitching onto the BLM movement. Many of these groups have shared memberships so it perhaps isn’t surprising. The establishment have many smear tactics to use when they have had enough of a group.
Just for information : the Labour Party always had miniscule antisemitism. Less than other parties.
I readily accept that, it was just an easy example from recent news flow. It could also be the islamaphobia levelled at Torys
Many of the 5G ‘conspiracy theorists’ and other extreme individuals on Facebook groups might not necessarily be real people. I have looked at the profiles of many of the people who make strange and off topic comments and to be honest I don’t think they are real people. Facebook is certainly still full of fake profiles. If you are a government trying to discredit a movement a tactic you would use is to insert people who dissuade people with genuine concerns. Personally I would ignore the cranks as most won’t exist.
If they can’t use a real name and leave contact details they are not worth bothering with,they are a coward.
It could possibly be some degenerate specimen from local news media trying to create a story out of absolutely nothing,our local paper seems to get it’s ‘news’ from hysterical social media posts.
Once we had some extremely slanderous and completely untrue posts about our business put on the town’s facebook page and I managed to get them removed,we think they were put there by a competitor hiding behind a stupid alias.
Something which people may be interested in, Andrew Johnson is preparing a report to go to various UK bodies, he is looking for support and other organisations which may need to be sent copies:
https://youtu.be/QkHag8VmlHU
Good Work Andrew Johnson. I might wait a while before I sign it. This won’t go down too well.
Tucker Carlson, August 24, 2020: Have you been to America lately?
Gates, Tedros, Biden …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeTliWwDPOg
“Urgent hunt for man in surgical gloves and face mask who attacked a child in Edinburgh
The child was left with minor injuries after the violent attack by a suspicious man wearing surgical gloves.”
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/urgent-hunt-man-surgical-gloves-18871094
One comment on that page so far, its like our local rag, nobody cares. Terrible for the girl, being assaulted by a PPE clad zombie. The stuff of nightmares.
If we behave like submissive sheep Cockup promises us a good Xmas this year. If not … Tear his guts out and shove them down his throat.
Guardian:Coronavirus live news: tracing apps ‘may stem spread even with low uptake’
I was thinking about this earlier on when someone mentioned the fact that flu is killing many more people than Covid. What can the explanation be? Until that revelation, it was always possible for lockdown zealots to say that it was the lockdown wot saved us and Covid is just waiting to burst out again. But if flu is spreading and Covid isn’t, that particular story looks very suspect. Maybe Covid really is over.
Enter Track-and-Trace. This is a specific difference between flu and Covid that can be used to dismiss the awkward flu problem. In other words, Covid really is still there, but it’s being kept in abeyance by a T&T system that works remarkably well – is the story they’ll be promoting. Fear the second wave, we mustn’t let up our guard now, etc.
Most people are a bit lazy. They will believe things that it is easy to believe. What they will not do is accept anything that hits their pocket. This is the nature of modern democracy.
This is why magic money is such a devastating weapon of destruction for the Western world. It allows lazy choices. Like lockdown.
I think that you are underestimating the one success of this catastrophe – the inculcation of genuine Fear by the Mengele group (SPI-B)
SPI-B is exactly that because it uses people’s laziness. The fear is shallow. It’s convenient to work from home if you are still paid 100% for doing so.
The casualties in this are the self-employed, those on short term contract or relying on sales, working in hospitality or retail, small businesses. If you are a judge or a social worker then it’s all a sensible precaution. All because of magic money.
Matt Hancock: The reincarnation of Joseph Mengele.
These were a couple of good articles a few weeks ago explaining where all the Vaccine funding is coming from, and all the links the likes of Hancock has to Big Pharma, GAVI, WHO etc.
http://www.zerohedge.com/markets/who-controls-british-government-response-covid-19-part-1
http://www.zerohedge.com/health/who-controls-british-government-response-covid-19-part-2
Enlightening
Whatever you respond with they will almost certainly make it sound like you don’t care about customer safety. The only “acceptable” response is that you will all start wearing masks immediately and jump as high as they want you to.
As others have suggested, I would be inclined to simply ignore it if I were you.
If we move away from fossil fuels and other methods of generating electricity and move towards more windmills and other feeble electricity generating schemes how are we going to charge the batteries of all those electric vehicles?
I do quite a bit of voluntary work with Devon Wildlife Trust and being outdoors work this is thankfully all getting going again but of course with Covid rules. Their rules talk about 2m social distance, when I queried this saying that I thought Boris had reduced this to 1m, they replied that it was not down to them, their Health & Safety person had had a meeting with their insurers who insisted that they say 2m or they would not be insured. Clearly a wildlife trust cannot run the risk of being uninsured and so this is all being dictated by the insurance industry.
Mind you as volunteers we are responsible for our own travel and so we can and do share lifts with each other but then when we start work we must keep 2m apart!
Similarly, the other day I went swimming at Chagford outdoor pool, lovely setting on Dartmoor and I was reprimanded for swimming backstroke! The lady seemed rather sheepish and apologetic for telling me this but the rules have come down from Swim England and have to be obeyed or they will not be insured. So I just swam on my front and smiled thinking about how cunning this virus is that despite the clear bracing air on Dartmoor it is actually full of virus about to rain down on unsuspecting backstroke swimmers!
But my point is that Insurance is playing an insidious role in cranking up and perpetuating these daft Covid rules.