Tory Rebellion Grows
It still isn’t clear whether the Speaker of the House of Commons will select Sir Graham Brady’s amendment to the Coronavirus Act, which is due to be renewed on Wednesday. But if he does, and Boris refuses to back down, it looks like the Government is facing defeat. Not only has the number of Conservative MPs prepared to vote for it grown from the 43 who originally signed the amendment to 81, according to Katy Balls in the Spectator, but the BBC reports that Labour MPs may join forces with the rebels. If the amendment passes it will mean that no additional Covid restrictions can be imposed by the Government without being approved by Parliament.
The House of Commons debated the coronavirus crisis yesterday and Conservative MPs lined up to urge the Government to allow Parliament to scrutinise and debate any further measures, including ex-Chief Whip Mark Harper and former Cabinet Minister Chris Grayling. But the stand out contribution to the debate was from Sir Desmond Swayne, a long-standing lockdown sceptic. The Daily Record has the details:
Speaking in the Commons, Sir Desmond said: “The purpose of politicians is to impose a measure of proportion, a sense of proportion on science, and not to be enthralled to it.
“Now I will make myself very unpopular, but I believe that the appearance of the chiefs (Chief Medical Officer Prof Chris Whitty and Chief Scientific Adviser Sir Patrick Vallance) last week should have been a sacking offence.”
“When they presented that graph, with the caveat that it wasn’t a prediction, but nevertheless it was clear that they presented it as a plausible scenario, with its 50,000 cases per day by mid-October based on the doubling of infections by the week.
“Not once, not on one day since March, have there been infections on that day that were double that of the day of the week proceeding.
“Not once. Where did this doubling come from? What was their purpose in presenting such a graph?”
And he added: “It was project fear, it was an attempt to terrify the British people, as if they haven’t been terrified enough.”
Sir Desmond said he believed the Government’s policy has been “disproportionate”, adding: “By decree, it has interfered in our private lives, and our family lives, telling us who we may meet, when we may meet them and what we must wear when we meet them.
“We have the cruelty, the cruelty, of elderly people in care homes, disorientated, being unable to see the faces of their loved ones and to receive a hug.”
Sir Desmond isn’t wrong about the shortcomings of Witless and Unbalanced’s graph. Here it is, but updated to include the latest case data. Projections in red; actuals in blue. Today’s new cases – 4044, down from 5,692 yesterday – amount to 36% of their predicted number of 7,205. We will return to this…
Another Conservative MP who had some forceful words for the Government was Pauline Latham (Mid Derbyshire): “There are many pensioners who wish to see their family rather than live a long life. They would like to be able to make that choice. This Government have a responsibility to listen to those people, some of whom feel passionate because they fought in the war, or their parents fought in the war, for the freedoms that we want.”
Meanwhile, the Government’s handling of the crisis faced equally trenchant criticism in the Lords, with former Chancellor Lord Lamont comparing Witless and Unbalanced’s graph to Tony Blair’s “dodgy dossier”. (Has he been reading Lockdown Sceptics?)
Last night, Matt Hancock, Chief Whip Mark Spencer and Leader of the House Jacob Rees-Mogg were engaged in a frantic round of talks to try and head off the rebellion.
I’m often asked what the most effective way to get the Government to change course is. Getting the sceptical case before the public? Mass demonstrations? Civil disobedience? The answer, I think, is to get Parliament to start doing its job again. Thanks to Sir Graham Brady, that may be about to happen.
Stop Press: Labour MP Daniel Zeichner joked about the closure of 29 branches of Pizza Hut yesterday, putting 450 jobs at risk.
More Cambridge jobs sliced.
— Daniel Zeichner (@DanielZeichner) September 28, 2020https://t.co/MABgP5mi4R
A reader has emailed to say Zeichner has to bear some of the blame for these job losses. “He is my MP, and he has been utterly unresponsive and useless for the entire lockdown when I’ve tried to reason with him,” he says. “His replies could have been written by Matt Hancock.”
More Pointless Restrictions Imposed on Pubs, Bars and Restaurants
Among the new rules that came into force yesterday were those restricting noise levels in pubs, restaurants, bars and cafes to 85 decibels. Managers must now take “all reasonable measures” to stop customers from dancing and groups of six or more from singing. This, in spite of the fact that new cases originating in hospitality venues make up a tiny fraction of the whole (see above). The Mail has more.
They came as Government statistics revealed a tiny proportion of COVID-19 outbreaks have been linked to pubs and restaurants. Just 17 of 532 (3.2%) of England’s reported coronavirus clusters occurred in the hospitality sector last week – down from around 5% the week before the draconian restriction was imposed.
Meanwhile, the proportion linked to schools has doubled to more than 40 per cent after thousands more students flocked back to classrooms and universities, which is likely to have had a massive knock-on effect on care homes where the rate fell from 44 to 25%.
The Government is facing mounting criticism of its decision to impose a 10pm curfew, given that it has resulted in crowds thronging the streets in city centres shortly after closing time.
Downing Street today dismissed a barrage of condemnation of the 10pm curfew, despite Tory MPs branding it a “sick experiment” and the mayor of one of the UK’s biggest cities warning it is doing “more harm than good”.
The PM is facing a rising tide of anger over his handling of the crisis after Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham said the Government’s drinking deadline was merely shifting the partying into homes.
Scores of drinkers were spotted in trendy Moseley, Birmingham, on Saturday night twirling around to a brass bands, despite restrictions urging social distancing. Similar extraordinary scenes were witnessed in London and Manchester as the restrictions appeared to backfire spectacularly.
But the PM’s spokesman voiced defiance this afternoon, insisting there is no intention of changing the rules again – and even denying they had caused any serious problems.
What a shambles.
Police Warned Not to Download NHS COVID-19 App
Police officers have been advised not to download the NHS Test and Trace COVID-19 app on their smartphones, according to the BBC.
Some officers have also been told they may not need to obey self-isolate alerts generated by the app when downloaded to their personal phones.
Lancashire Constabulary has told staff to call the force’s own COVID-19 helpline instead.
The BBC contacted the North-West of England force after a source said the advice had been given because of “security reasons”.
The source also said officers had been told not to carry their personal phones while on duty if they had activated the app.
This applies to staff working in public-facing roles as well as those in back-office positions.
“The health and wellbeing of our officers, staff and the public remains our priority,” a Lancashire Constabulary spokeswoman subsequently told the BBC.
“Members of staff, like all members of the public, are personally able to download the Track and Trace application should they choose to do so. Guidance provided to staff within the workplace remains in line with the national NPCC position.”
The NPCC confirmed the work-phones policy was common to all forces, but said it was carrying out an urgent review of the matter.
“We have been taking time to review the specifications of the app to assess the implications for policing,” added a spokesman.
Presumably, the real reason Chief Constables have ordered their officers not to download the app is that they don’t want them being forced to self-isolate for 10 days after Matt Hancock’s random notice generator goes even more haywire.
Stop Press: The Government has been accused of a “massive state data grab” after millions of messages have started appearing on people’s phones urging them to download the NHS COVID-19 app. Has the Government harvested people’s mobile phone numbers from GPs in violation of GDPR? Christine Burns, a former NHS adviser who was awarded an MBE in 2005 for her work with transgender people, thinks so. She wrote on Twitter: “I read the privacy statement linked to by that message, which details a massive state data grab. I’m never trusting my GP with my data again.”
NHS Extra: A reader has submitted a complaint to the Information Commissioner’s Office about being spammed by his local GP. If any readers want to do likewise, the details of how to complain are here.
This is the wording of the text I received:
“This is a public health message from NHS Test & Trace. Please download the NHS Covid-19 app from the App Store/Google Play. More info at https://covid19.nhs.uk”
I don’t know if my complaint has any merit but I made four points to the ICO:
1) This is spam (although I am happy to receive information from my healthcare providers – e.g. GP etc; I wasn’t aware that I had agreed to receive this sort of promotional material).
2) It creates a significant opportunity for fraudsters to send out their own spam messages (pretending to be NHS modeled on this) tricking people into making an action that will lead to them being defrauded. (We already saw lots of this earlier in the ‘pandemic’).
3) (building on point 2) The text includes a link for people to click on (to: https://coivd19.nhs.uk) while this link is presumably trustworthy this is the classic modus operandi of fraudsters and they must be rubbing their hands with glee at the opportunity it creates for them to copy these tactics. Anti fraud professionals would usually put a stop to this sort of thing.
4) The text promotes two commercial websites – the App Store and Google Play. I wasn’t aware NHS did this sort of promotional activity?
Why Brendan O’Neill is Not A Conspiracy Theorist
Brendan O’Neill wrote an excellent editorial in Spiked yesterday, summing up everything that’s wrong with the Government’s – and the public’s – response to the crisis. He was particularly good on why he doesn’t have much time for conspiracy theories.
It is understandable that some people have weaved conspiracy theories to try to explain the current moment, insisting that dastardly figures like Bill Gates, Big Pharma and of course wicked governments are busily plotting the overthrow of human liberty on the back of a cooked-up virus crisis. After all, things are confusing. Extraordinary events have unfolded with very little clarity or explanation. In such circumstances people will create stories to try to make sense of the sudden diminution of their freedom and their lives. And yet, this conspiratorial bent among anti-lockdown protesters is a very serious problem. It ends up giving rise to a competition of narratives of powerlessness.
So on one side, we have officialdom’s lockdown myopia which disempowers communities by exaggerating the threat of COVID-19 and downplaying our capacity for dealing with risk and uncertainty. And on the other side we have a pushback against officialdom that says dark, evil forces beyond our control are puppeteering this crisis in order to achieve their malevolent ends. In both scenarios, the public is reduced to spectators. Spectators either to the fearful crisis-management of government officials and experts who insist we must follow the rules if we want to survive, or to an evil conspiracy of the usual suspects that we can hate and rage against but not really do much about. In both situations, the capacity of individuals and communities to understand this crisis and to start taking action to alleviate it, or live with it, are diminished. We need a better opposition.
Worth reading in full.
Postcard From University
A student has written to us, describing the horror of life on his university campus.
At my university, Estate Patrol are everywhere, ready to remorselessly disperse large groups, hand out hefty fines and other penalties in ways that make the Stasi look like friendly neighbourhood support officers. I have heard numerous horrific stories from my Russian family about life in the Soviet Union. How can we call ourselves an advanced free society when the same authoritarian measures are being forced upon us?
While our freedoms have been snatched away from us, we are still expected to pay full tuition and accommodation fees (by forcing us into one-sided accommodation contracts), compounding the disadvantages young people already face when it comes to debt and income. Now we face the possibility of being locked up in our halls of residence over Christmas.
We’ve published it in the “Postcard” section as a “Postcard From University”. Worth reading in full.
Dr John Lee: “Politicians Doing Amateur Science and Scientists Doing Amateur Politics – A Pretty Awful Brew”
Dr John Lee, one of the first senior doctors to raise the alarm about the lockdown, appeared on Julia Hartley-Brewer’s TalkRADIO show yesterday to warn of the dangers of a second lockdown. He told Julia the latest coronavirus measures are “completely disproportionate” because “we have politicians doing amateur science and scientists dong amateur politics. Mix the two together and it’s a pretty awful brew.”
New Poem From Bent Knee
Anti-Lockdown poet Bent Knee has sent us his latest.
Do not
Do not sing, do not dance
Forgo the joyful chanceDo not breathe, do not kiss
Intimacy is remissDo not embrace and kiss the bride
Love must never overrideDo not party, do not play
Limits are here to stayDo not mingle, do not mix
Follow the rule of sixDo not hug your grandparents
Love is literal violenceDo not believe that you can choose
You must obey the curfewsDo not plead for liberty
Forget your old humanity
Two-Thirds of Wales Locked Down
After a brief respite, lockdown has returned to Wales. The BBC has more.
Nearly two-thirds of Wales’ population will be under lockdown when new restrictions are imposed at 18:00 BST.
Neath Port Talbot (NPT), Torfaen and Vale of Glamorgan will join eight other areas in lockdown, affecting almost two million people in total.
The country’s two biggest cities – Cardiff and Swansea – had restrictions applied on Sunday evening.
The new rules mean no travel outside council boundaries other than for work, education or medical emergencies, with no indoor mixing allowed and no alcohol sales after 22:00.
Conwy, Denbighshire, Wrexham, Flintshire, Anglesey and Carmarthenshire are being “closely monitored” by Public Health Wales, meaning if cases continue to rise they could also face lockdowns.
Wedding planner Gail Windley says it’s an incredibly frustrating time for everyone.
“The rug is being pulled from under your feet constantly,” said Ms Windley, who lives in Neath Port Talbot.
She said one bride she was working with was “very stressed” and would be “glad to get it over with”.
“A wedding is a milestone in your life – that’s how your ancestors will trace you back – so it’s heart-breaking to be involved in that and see it.”
Preston’s Wild Boar Park Well Worth a Visit
We got an email from a reader who’s just spent a pleasant weekend at Bowland Wild Boar Park near Preston. Sounds great!
Myself and the family spent a lovely weekend at Bowland Wild Boar Park. It’s not our first visit, and having previously camped there in the pods before we were a little apprehensive as to the changes.
On arrival we were greeted by a staff member with the obligatory face mask, but no mention of me not wearing one. Once we’d checked in, we were able to enjoy what turned out to be a lovely weekend, with all the fellow pod campers and tenters turning out to be as sceptical as myself. Most had young kids and we all waxed lyrically on the damage done to kids, other health issue, etc.
The park had introduced some changes. No animal petting sessions for the kids, where normally they hand round various animals for the little ones to manhandle, and the barrel ride had set booking times and was disinfected between sessions. The cafe was take-out only, but it was refreshing that despite mask signs everywhere the visitors were mostly unmasked and the staff never challenged any non-maskers. The rest of the park was business as usual.
So if you find yourself near the Forest of Bowland, up t’ north, it is well worth a visit and giving them your support.
Round-Up
- “Covid, Vitamin D and what happens when statistics are revered, but not understood” – Excellent piece by Jon Moynihan in CapX on why it’s taken so long for the authorities to acknowledge the benefits of Vitamin D
- “Terrorist politicians at war with our way of life” – Strong piece in the Conservative Woman by Neil McCarthy
- “Neighbours urged to call police on Covid self-isolation cheats” – Government prepares the ground for The Lives of Others remake
- “Government warned football structure at risk of collapse” – Many EFL and National League clubs are on the verge of going into administration, according to a warning letter to the Government signed by former Football Association Chairmen Greg Dyke and Lord Triesman
- “Norwegian could be nationalised” – Will there be anything left of the airline industry when this is all over?
- “Crew on first post-lockdown Greek cruise contract coronavirus” – 12 crew members have tested positive on a cruise ship, all of them asymptomatic. But they’re retesting now and it looks as though they’re all false positives
- “Pastors demand liberty” – The letter from Christian ministers urging the Government not to close places of worship now has 700 signatures
- “A brief era of rationality is ending” – Good column from Dan Hannan in the Washington Examiner
- “Parliament bars exempt from 10pm curfew” – MPs caught taking the piss
- “I’M TOO SEXY FOR A MASK! Right Said Fred-om as PICS Emerge of 90s Pop Stars at Freedom Rally” – The 90s pop duo were at the Trafalgar Square anti-lockdown demo on Saturday
- “People are absolutely justified in mistrusting the elites” – Historian Thomas Frank talks to Brendan O’Neill in Spiked about his new book
- “The metrics of fear” – Laura Dodsworth’s latest in the Critic
- “Local lockdowns failing to slow the increase in coronavirus cases” – Sarah Knapton in the Telegraph explains why local lockdowns aren’t working. Meanwhile, Hancock has imposed further restrictions in the North-East
- “The Tories are fighting back in the culture war” – Tim Stanley sees a glimmer of light in the Telegraph
Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers
Just one today: “Dido’s Lament” by Anna Dennis and Voices of Music.
Love in the Time of Covid
We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.
Woke Gobbledegook
We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, we thought we’d flag up a piece in Spiked by Carrie Clark, the journalist who’s written the briefing paper about unconscious bias training for the Free Speech Union.
How would you react if your employer introduced mandatory astrology training at your workplace? What would you make of an organisation that spent thousands of pounds teaching its employees that their character is predetermined by the alignment of the stars and that, despite what they might consciously think or how they choose to behave, their actions are ultimately dictated by invisible cosmic forces? Now imagine that your employer claims to be fighting the scourge of racism by introducing this training.
Bizarre as it may seem, employers across the UK are dangerously close to doing just that. Workers up and down the country are finding themselves forced to undergo mandatory unconscious-bias training – ostensibly to make them less racist. But unconscious-bias training has, at its heart, a psychological test with barely more scientific credibility than astrology. In effect, employers are throwing vast sums of money at a discredited pseudoscientific method which will do nothing to tackle racism and discrimination in the workplace. Meanwhile, practical changes that might truly benefit black and minority-ethnic employees are ignored.
Unconscious-bias training is an outgrowth of the Implicit Association Test (IAT). When it was first introduced in 1998, the results claimed to show that 90 to 95% of IAT participants were implicitly racially prejudiced. While the test-takers might not have thought of themselves as racist, their responses on the test suggested that they were unconsciously biased against black people. This proved a seductive narrative for committed anti-racists, particularly those whose careers depended on portraying Britain and America as systemically racist. The test seemed to show that vast swathes of people were still ‘unconsciously’ racist, in spite of the dramatic decline in racist attitudes over the past 25 years.
The diversity industry has grown to be hugely profitable. It is now worth a cool $8 billion a year in the United States. Assisted by the IAT’s veneer of scientific respectability, unconscious-bias training has been marketed as an essential tool for any business serious about addressing racial inequality.
But reams and reams of research have discredited the IAT, undermining the entire premise of unconscious-bias training in the process. Time and again, meta-analysis has failed to find a correlation between a person’s score on the IAT and how discriminatory their behaviour is. Psychologists and neuroscientists, still puzzling over the complicated distinction between conscious and unconscious thought, are sceptical of the claim that the IAT measures something that can be defined as ‘implicit’. For instance, the propensity of IAT participants accurately to predict their score in advance suggests conscious awareness of something that the IAT’s creators describe as ‘unconscious’.
This is a fantastic article that’s well worth reading in full.
You can read a summary of Carrie’s briefing paper here, the full version here, and the Frequently Asked Questions the Free Speech Union has pulled together for people that want to opt out of diversity training here.
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards
We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.49 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.
Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face nappies in shops here.
A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.
And here’s a round-up of the scientific evidence on the effectiveness of mask (threadbare at best).
Stop Press: Some shops are employing mask recognition technology, according to BBC News, whereby customers have to stand in front of a scanner and are barred from entering if they’re not wearing a face nappy. I wonder if the patent-holder for this marvellous invention is Jeff Bezos, the multi-billionaire owner of Amazon?
Samaritans
If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email jo@samaritans.org or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.
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And Finally…
In this week’s episode of London Calling, mine and James Delingpole’s podcast, we talk about James’s adventures at Saturday’s anti-lockdown protest in Trafalgar Square, the appalling treatment of students and Laurence Fox’s new political party. At one point, we try to imagine what Boris could do now to redeem himself. Secure a brilliant trade deal with the EU? Hardly. Restore the Britain’s overseas territories, so we once again have an Empire on which the sun never sets? Wouldn’t be enough. Lead Earth to victory in an intergalactic war? Maybe…
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First…wow
Well done dear boy!
NOW LISTEN to our excellent anti-lockdown, song ridden, up beat podcast:
https://therealnormalpodcast.buzzsprout.com/
I’m puttin’ it around, honest!
Good man! Recording our 1984 comparison episode tonight over a pint!
Good podcast ! I liked the young person song, super.
please write to your MP now to repeal the Coronavirus ACT
https://bigbrotherwatch.org.uk/CoronavirusAct/#email-your-mp
The Coronavirus Act is the biggest expansion of state power in a generation — and could stay in law for years. Emergency powers should carry emergency time limits. That’s why we campaigned for, and won, the right for MPs to vote on the Act every 6 months. The first vote is on Wednesday 30th September.
Who will win, Tobias Ellwood or Sir Graham Brady….
https://www.rt.com/uk/502054-coronavirus-vaccination-mandatory-travel/
Speaking in the House of Commons on Monday night, Tobias Ellwood argued that the mass vaccination scheme is a challenge of the scale and complexity of “the D-day landings and Dunkirk.”
The MP for Bournemouth East told the parliament that a vaccine could be six months away and urged Prime Minister Boris Johnson to use the armed forces to oversee the process of delivering it to the UK population.
MP Tobias Ellwood proposing that military oversees mass-vaccination of Britain, and issuance of VACCINATION CERTIFICATES for international travel. Member of 77th Brigade, the psychological warfare unit which “assists” Cabinet (via Rapid Response Unit) in shaping public discourse. pic.twitter.com/gB3IyM6siG
Sir Desmond Dwayne was great…worth watching it all.
I would like to have seen that but it went straight to the next video (at least it was Dave Cullen, always worth watching).
I’ll have find it myself on YouTube.
Found it, watched in full.
100k views on one site alone.
I sent him a short thank you email. I suspect he’s had quite a few but I did receive a short acknowledgement which was nice!
His website (including contact details) is https://www.desmondswaynemp.com/sir-desmond-swayne-td-mp-3/ and contains some of his sceptical questions as posts.
Well done that man!
I did the same and received a reply. They all need our support.
I’ve just written as well. If only we had more like him here in Sturgeon land.
He’s just taken the trouble to send a personal brief acknowledgement.
My MP -an SNP stalwart-never answers my emails.
Yep – mine, once in a blue moon, “answers” but NEVER actually answers!
We must have the same MP!
I know the feeling.
unfortunately there are two types of MP .. Those that are good constituency MPs and those that dont give a toss about their constituents
unfortunately when it comes to elections most people will vote for plank of wood if it has the right rosette.
I always found a similar thing with local elections. The independents were usually the best for dealing with peoples problems
Mine is a Plank of wood. As a tax payer I resent paying her salary.
Mine replied to me once just quoting the government. Didn’t even reply to my other emails.
Nice one, I’ve also sent a message of support, thanks and gratitude!
I sent him an email as well. I’m definitely on the opposite end of the political spectrum from him but he encapsulated almost every thought I’ve had on the subject.
I’ve just done the same. People need to show support when necessary, and take action to get their voices heard. The more they are heard, the more powerful they are.
A clear demonstration showing how the lockdown saved no lives in Britain,
using Ferguson’s predictions for deaths in Britain and Sweden and what actually happened in both countries.
If you take Ferguson’s prediction for no lockdown Sweden with the official death rate it was 12 times lower.
SWEDEN Prediction 70,000 official deaths 5,880
Divide Neil Ferguson’s (Imperial College London) prediction for the UK with no lockdown,
UK 500,000 by 12 you reach a figure of 41,666.
Currently the official figure for the UK is 41,988
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bpu87AHIILA
Andrew Neil: “Boris Johnson panicked – hard to say Sweden was wrong” (and what it means for the UK)
Please share – send to your MP, whatever
Wow, that’s even worse than his X 10 wrong hocus pocus predictions for foot&mouth SARS Swine flu bird flu.
What a hanckock that man is.
Big pharma made bank after countries bought millions of vaccine doses that were never needed.
How does he have any credibility, must be the go to for the powerful people who want a con man
There’s no such thing. You may be referring to a Reasonable Worst Case estimate — such things are explicitly not predictions — for a “do nothing” scenario. Since something very different from “do nothing”, namely a lockdown (to which many people reading these comments are very much opposed) it can’t be described as a “prediction” in any sense of the word. Of course Sweden did not adopt a “do nothing” scenario either — they did quite a lot.
The prediction made by a different group of researchers, but using a similar model, about Sweden was indeed intended to be a prediction, and it was indeed wrong. I’m not disputing that.
But to compare the two in this way is “amateur science”, to quote the blog above.
A Reasonable Worst Case Scenario is explicitly a prediction. It is a prediction of what may happen in a worst case scenario- the clue is in the name.
You may be confusing “prediction” with “prophesy”. No one ever claims a prediction is a guarantee – however the issue is that this prediction (or non-prediction) was the one repeatedly used by pro-lockdown to justify the restrictions put on us.
From a report of the Common Science and Technology Committee
Reasonable worst case scenario
75. The second stage of the [National Risk Assessment] process is assessing risks and their impacts. Risks are assessed using available historical, statistical and scientific data. Where possible, the assessment should take account of probable developments over the next five years.[75] Impacts are assessed against five main criteria:
76. The assessment leads to the development of a “reasonable worst case scenario” for every risk. The reasonable worst case scenario is “designed to exclude theoretically possible scenarios which have so little probability of occurring that planning for them would be likely to lead to disproportionate use of resources.”[77] The Government stated that:
Modellers can indeed provide caveats to their outputs.
But when the worst case is explicitly used not just to lockdown an entire nation, but to then justify it with a pat on the back to government who saved 400,000 lives, what can be done? Because its bare faced manipulation of what was a recognition that black swan events do occur.
They should be pushed quite far down the pecking order of advisors in my book. Instead, we had Ferguson front and centre. Why?
Well, you can call it what you like, but we were absolutely told that half a million would die if we didn’t have a lockdown.
… which is the point I’m trying to make, and the thing that concerns me, and why I keep going on about it. Modelling is not the issue. The issue is how the results from models used for a specific purpose — and I hope people would agree, a reasonable one — are misrepresented.
A good rule of thumb is that whenever you read a news story that says “up to X”, that is an over-compressed version of “most likely Y, with a 95% confidence interval from Z to X”. The media go, of course, for the most exciting figure.
A good example of this is Ferguson’s estimate for deaths from vCJD as a result of the BSE epidemic. He said something like a central estimate between 100 and 1000, with a 95% confidence bound from 50 to 150,000. Which of those figures was reported? The largest and most exciting. It’s fair to say that a range of 50 to 150,000 is a numerical way of saying “I don’t know”, of course.
Sadly, I don’t expect the media to do any better, although one could hope.
“A good example of this is Ferguson’s estimate for deaths from vCJD as a result of the BSE epidemic. He said something like a central estimate between 100 and 1000, with a 95% confidence bound from 50 to 150,000.”
Well, he should have just said; ‘I haven’t the slightest idea’ then.
These Imperial modellers know that upper scare estimates are what will get reported. That is why they say them!
But he did have an idea: between 100 and 1000 over the next 80 years. The. number has been just under 200 in 20 years, which seems like quite a good fit to me.
I could have given the same 95% confidence interval, without doing any research at all.
It is meaningless, other than to have the highest possible figure reported.
Modelling is the issue because if incomplete or wrong data is entered then you will get a incorrect outcome modelled.
In this case a false IFR predicted on 6 planes from Wuhan and no allowance given for pre immunity.
True, of course. But a model allows you to vary the inputs and determine the sensitivity and decide whether you know the input with sufficient certainty to get an output with the desired accuracy (or not). In the famous 500,000 case, the precise numerical figure was less important than the fact that under most reasonable assumptions, the answer was too large for the NHS to cope.
No allowance for pre-existing immunity was the reasonably conservative assumption at the time for a novel virus. Can you point to anything known in February that would have made that obviously incorrect.
An assumption based on an entirely homogenous population with everybody equally susceptible was ridiculous, but served the purpose.
There has never been such a novel pathogen in history.
Population-level models have been used sufficiently often over the past hundred years or so to be sure that they are capable of giving qualitative answers which deliver useful policy insights and numerical answers which are good enough for some policy decisions.
“Population-level models have been used sufficiently often over the past hundred years or so to be sure that they are capable of giving qualitative answers which deliver useful policy insights and numerical answers which are good enough for some policy decisions.”
Well, those models have proved woeful in this example. Unless the intent was to be woeful, in which case they were really rather good.
It’s time they had one or two Bayesians on board. Which is beyond them.
Or the Bayesians are operating in the background.
Why is it that about a month ago ‘they’ forecast 120,000 deaths over the winter? Why did they subsequently predict 85,000? Why did all those signatories sign the 120k w.c.s.?
Yes, these simplistic one-dimensional numerical extrapolations are good enough if you actually want particular policy decisions.
And that’s why they always wildly over-estimate.
The true figure (even including ‘death with’) up until the end of Feb will be between 5000 and 15,000.
(Unless there is wholesale marking flu deaths down as Covid, or the flu vaccine causes viral interference.)
Nearer 5000 with a Swedish light touch, nearer 15,000 with the extending of the madness.
All cause mortality will be high this winter, due to the various injurious impacts of lockdowns, past and present.
Yes, easily. His laughable “model” was examined both by statisticians on this site and elsewhere and the Disgusting Ferguson “model” gave wildly-differing results from the same inputs. In other words, his “model” was crap. He had no right whatsoever to demand or advise a government to carry out an economic wave of destruction on that basis.
Well, as I’ve consistently said, I haven’t examined his agent-based model in detail. What I have consistently confined myself to commenting on is the famous 510,000 prediction, as taken by SAGE 11 for their RWC. I agree with that, on the basis of simple SIR population level modelling, as the right answer at that time, given the data available at that time, and given the question under consideration, which was not “Exactly how many people will die” but “Can we cope with the consequences of a do-nothing policy”. So many of the reasonable assumptions for the parameters known at the time came back with the answer “No” that the RWC did what it was supposed to do in planning terms.
So Imperial didn’t really get anything wrong? It was all the media!
Right.
I didn’t say that. I said there’s a strong tendency in the media to report only the most dramatic figure they can find.
Yeah, right. Sure.
I may have imagined it but i’m sure the dramatic figures such as “50,000 cases a day”, “200 deaths a day”, “doubling every 7 days” were used exclusively to the media a few days ago….so why was that the case and what excuses are you going to make for Vallance and Whitty?
Why would you assume I want to “make excuses” for anyone? I’ve been explaining one particular figure which has been assiduously misquoted.
If your had asked me politely, in such neutral terms as “Do you think those figures were valid and explained accurately” I would have given you my views.
Why was a Reasonable Best Case Scenario never discussed? When we forecast, shouldn’t we “delineate possibilities that extend out from a particular moment or event”? Given the catastrophising mindset of the media, isn’t it inevitable that they would focus on 500,000 deaths – that was very easy to predict.
Unfortunately if you don’t let the media see the full range of figures, then you feed the conspiracy theories.
If the supposed experts make a royal hash of it, then someone’s going to notice.
Great idea! Unfortunately we tend to hear more about the Unreasonable Best Case Scenario …
Your logical argument struggles whenever you describe Ferguson’s effort as ‘reasonable’, Richard. Describing something as such does not make it so.
“Reasonable”, as in “Reasonable Worst Case” is a judgement. For what it’s worth, I would have given a similar answer based on the data available at that time, using a different and much simpler model.
However, if you think that was not a reasonable estimate for the do-nothing scenario, let me ask you. What “reasonable” estimate would you have given SAGE 11 on 27 February for the Reasonable Worst Case “do-nothing” scenario? More to the point, how would you have gone about determining it? What analytical processes would you have used to turn the data in front of you on that day into a number, or a numerical range, that would have enabled you to contribute to answering the question “What would we need to plan for if we do nothing?”
I would have used the data from the cruise ships which made it obvious that Ferguson was using the wrong assumptions from day one. Garbage in, garbage out.
Well, that’s rather the point isn’t it? You would have made a different choice from the conflicting data. Considering that data from Manaus and Guayaquil supports an IFR in the range 0.8-1%, it’s not at all clear that you would have been right.
Thanks for the reply, Richard.
I was quite convinced considerably earlier than 27th February that this whole shitshow was a planned coup. And I have more tools than just one hammer, so not everything looks like a nail.
My reasonable estimate would have been a thousand or two, if that, and that Sage should go home and look after the garden.
A lifetime of observing, studying, researching, and experiencing the abuse of power in high places. Aided by some specific areas of knowledge, following and interpreting the carefully crafted msm narrative, and a normal degree of common sense. Oh, and a knowledge of how damaging and harmful fear is in every situation.
My analytical processes would have initially been turned towards answering the question ‘Is there a problem ?’. Failure to do this opened up society to every manner of fantastical old women’s solutions to non-existent problems and civil rights abuses.
(Apologies to any elderly females reading this).
“You may be referring to a Reasonable Worst Case estimate — such things are explicitly not predictions — for a “do nothing” scenario. Since something very different from “do nothing”, namely a lockdown (to which many people reading these comments are very much opposed) it can’t be described as a “prediction” in any sense of the word.”
Neil Ferguson’s barmy figures were never described as a Reasonable Worst Case estimate.
In fact, he clearly stated that it was indeed a prediction!
“Perhaps our most significant conclusion is that mitigation is unlikely to be feasible without emergency surge capacity limits of the UK and US healthcaresystems being exceeded many times over. In the most effective mitigation strategy examined, which leads to a single, relatively short epidemic (case isolation, household quarantine and social distancing of the elderly), the surge limits for both general ward and ICUbeds would be exceeded by at least 8-fold under the more optimistic scenario forcritical care requirements that we examined.In addition, even if all patients were ableto be treated, we predict there would still be in the order of 250,000 deaths in GB, and 1.1-1.2 million in the US.”
https://spiral.imperial.ac.uk:8443/bitstream/10044/1/77482/14/2020-03-16-COVID19-Report-9.pdf
I don’t think you should be defending the indefensible, by purporting it incorrectly.
That is incorrect, assuming we’re talking about the 500,000 “do-nothing” estimate. The minutes of SAGE 11 on 26 February read
That’s the 500,000 figure right there.
As always, that’s the figure I’m talking about. I haven’t studied his model in detail and make no comment about the validity of any other estimates, or predictions, he may have made.
Just jumping in here, why did we flail and fall off a cliff for this Reasonable Worst Case scenario and not past Reasonable Worst Case scenarios ?
The USA the clown is out by a factor of 11 Never thought I say it but the ars#hole has been that consistently bad that his figures are of some usr
Coppers
Told NOT To Download Test & Trace App “Security Reasons”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcIh4fbHYPY
I read somewhere that NHS staff have also been told not to download the app.
I saw they were told to turn it off at work
A spokesperson for the NHS said the app had nothing to do with them it was the governments.
They’ve been sending hundreds of thousands of texts though, no ?
“A spokesperson for the NHS said the app had nothing to do with them it was the governments.”
It has nothing to do with me either.
Seriously, I’d like a link to the exact reference, if you have one.
The Police have shown that they like to to assemble in large groups, well in excess of six recently.
From a public health perspective, surely the app should be mandatory for them….
Probably, but they can swirl around in the cesspool of their own making if they wish. I won’t join them in there. Definitely no T&T for me.
The benign IT firm I work for today sent an email to all staff full of weasel words that basically said it may be better for us to download it to personal phones and not our company mobile.
I’ve written to him to express my gratitude for the stand he is making. Just to hear a sane voice in Parliament is like a breath of hope.
Long live Sane Dwayne!
Top man – he replied to my email as well, tho I’m not a constituent,
You would think that the Supreme Court would have something to say about the restriction of our liberties but, apparently, if it is in a cause they agree with, it’s all OK.
Now, a prorogation that might lead to Brexit, that’s another matter. That’s serious! They are straight on the case. But lockdown? No, all is fine.
I agree, and I used to be a remainer. There are now Leave/Remain divides now, it is just us, the people, at war against an illegal lockdown which the judiciary are too cowardly to stand against.
“Now, a prorogation that might lead to Brexit, that’s another matter. That’s serious! They are straight on the case. But lockdown? No, all is fine.”
No, that’s not how it works. The Supreme Court doesn’t make a ruling on any case until it has worked its way up to them through the High Court and the Court of Appeal, and even then they’ll only rule on the issue as it is presented to them, and will confine themselves to ordering whatever reasonable remedy is asked for.
They’ll give a judgment on the government’s response to the perceived threat of this virus when Simon Dolan’s case, or some other challenge, reaches them. Until then, they’ll stay silent about it. The reason they’ll stay silent is because not doing so would be a political act and they know that for the judiciary to get involved in politics on its own initiative could be disastrous.
My impression is that Dolan’s case won’t transform the situation fundamentally even if he wins. As far as I’m aware, he’s arguing that the government has acted unlawfully within the existing system. But the underlying problem is the constitutional flaws that make Parliament sovereign without ensuring its integrity and accountability. To my mind, the only way the courts could really help get us out of this situation is if someone a) persuades them that the current system is irredeemably broken and b) offers both a plausible route to effective reform and a convincing analysis that it is legitimate for the court to order it. (Which would need arguments like this.)
81 threatening to rebel with a Tory majority of 80 leaves how many will johnson need to bribe, cajole or blackmail to survive?
The Speaker
Brady’s amendment is not the Promised Land. It’s a face-saving exercise that Bojo could drive a coach and four through if he chose, and might even be in his interests. If these heroic Tories are in earnest, let them vote down the Act.
I share that suspicion. It could be all grandstanding to make it look as if there is some pushback this time.
Yes. I understand why Toby might want to big up Brady, but we should not forget what an absolute shower the Conservative Party has been, as a whole. The balance of probability is very much that the Party is attempting to walk both sides of the street. Grandstanding, as you say.
Sadly the only thing that solves the problem is repealing the act. Even with the amendment it just means rubber stamping because labour will always agree with restrictions and therefore he doesn’t need all his MPs to pass things through.
You missed out threaten, karen.
Seems local lockdowns are not instigated as the result of increasing ‘cases’ as is reported, but from testing the sewage. Thousands of samples are being taken weekly with the advantage of being able to specify infected areas down to single towns or even blocks of streets.
These samples are tested in Department of Environment labs that usually and routinely test our fresh water supplies.
Two points arise
1). Is this the reason Track’n’Trace testing is in such a mess? Insufficient lab capacity is the stated problem. The government prefers testing shit to testing people.
2) Can we look forward to outbreaks of groovy waterborne diseases such as cholera, typhus, hepatitis. . . .
as our freshwater testing goes on the back burner ?
Let the cry be heard across the land: hands off our shit!
Quite! Am I immune from government interference with my cesspit?
If a government orc tries to test it, push them in and put on the lid. That will be a real test.
A sceptic tank?
Brilliant!
It seems appropriate that a policy of mental sewage should be supported by dabbling in sewage.
One giant shitshow
The government are building a new lab near Exeter to test sewage, god knows how much that is costing.
Shitloads ?
Covid is now apparently spreading excrementally : boom, boom!
good one!
Now that’s class!
What is the source for this? I did wonder what had happened to the sewage survey which was given publicity back at the start of August I think, all has been quiet since then.
There is no source, I talk to a lot of people. Lots of people tell me interesting things. Security guards are but one very good source.
The part about the DoE labs came from inside.
Do you have a link for that? Is the suggestion that the local lockdowns are, in fact, justified? Or might the testing labs be suffering from the same false positives, cross-contamination, ‘cold positives’ issues as the Pillar 2 testing?
They could be making it up as they go along as with all the rest of it.
Perhaps they keep the sewage testing to themselves so that only they know what the situation really is.
l read with interest about false positives and Pillar 2 testing but have no knowledge.
If you can provide a source I can check with a few to confirm as I know people who do exactly this for the water company.
Worth a try but it is the DoE that collects the samples.
Error
Clucking bell, someone has let DEFRA and the fecking Environment agency get involved. God help us all.
The sheer insanity knows no bounds… But to quote Galadriel: “Hope remains, while the company is true.” Hear, hear, Sir Desmond Swayne.
WE are the Company. Facing a quest – for the restoration of sanity in Britain – that may seem hopeless, but has to be pursued BECAUSE IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
Face up to the Covid Orcs.
Dr Gideon Micropenis brilliant as always.
Local students have been reported shopping in bulk to avoid lonely starvation should they follow Scotland and Manchester into internment.
Might account for claims that panic buying has resumed in some areas.
Example Scenario and cases source pie chart screenshot for use in The Conversation with waverers.
By what mechanism can Police officers be advised not to obey self isolation instructions which would land the rest of us with a £1-10k fine ?
On the subject of policing, very pleasant sounding chap on from the Police Federation on Radio 4 yesterday saying how it would be impossible to enforce new lockdown measures because they lack resources.
Didn’t seem to ‘lack resources’ at Trafalgar Square on Saturday.
Csrl Vernon has an excellent at the scene report on YouTube, one comment noted a banner reading
“One Flu Over The Cuckoo’s Nest”
New to me.
Good pun for ‘flew’
Ken Kesey – great book, great film, superb Jack Nicholson performance – often seen as a broad allegory of the United States being a mental institution governed by a cruel nurse (Animal Farm / Down on Maggie’s Farm) – most apt.
There’s something really weird going on.
I read practically every post on here and I’m familiar with everyone’s experience of contact with the masked zombies on a daily basis but I have not had the same experience.
Since last week I’ve been making it a thing to go out walking through and around the streets of the town and, out in the open air, I’ve seen one mask, one!
Any deliveries we receive are done by unmasked drivers and no postman/woman wears one. No neighbours of ours wear them, no dog walkers wear them. Nobody passing by the house wears them. I’ve never seen any one in our road wearing one.
Yesterday I walked past all the mums waiting to pick up their kids from a school and again, not one mask to be seen anywhere. They were stood in groups all chatting, no social distancing as far as I could tell. They weren’t even concerned as I zig-zagged my way through them, no jumping out of the way. I even stopped to talk to the dogs there without anyone batting an eyelid.
At the top of our road is another school and nearly all of the mothers pass by our house on their way home with the kids and, yet again, no masks are to be seen.
Am I living in a parallel universe?
Apologies that this post is apropos of nothing. I’d promise to write something ‘on topic’ but, as Mary Poppins said, “That’s a pie crust promise. Easily made, easily broken.”
To make up for it, have another t-shirt.
They won’t, of course, be ashamed. As in France after WW2 they will all turn out to have been members of The Resistance.
Worse… They will claim that the only reason covid is gone is because of the masks. It will have worked, and they will take all the credit. That is already the story that is being published in our newspapers (WA state). The message: keep wearing them! (Presumably forever)
I’ve suffered abuse and even lost friends over my stance on lockdown, but I hope we can be magnanimous when we win. We’re resisting this for everybody’s futures.
Agree. I always have to remember Churchill when he said:
In War: Resolution; In Defeat: Defiance; In Victory: Magnanimity; In Peace: Good Will
I will be living in a different world.. Different organisations, different church, different friends, new everything. I’ve learned whom and what not to trust.
Talking of France, here’s a scary story I read on the covidinfos forum. A teenage girl is waiting for a friend outside a school (not her own school). Headmaster comes out and tells her to put on a mask. In France you have to wear a mask at school all day including in the classroom. Girl refuses, saying she’s outside the school gates and it isn’t her school. Headmaster threatens to call the police and goes back into the school. Next thing, messages arrive on the girl’s phone from friends on the bus who had witnessed the scene. A police car is on its way! She manages to escape before the gendarmes pile out. They ask the young people standing about who she is. Her friends don’t give her away. Another police car is called. Two police cars go hunting through the streets of the town for a maskless teenager. A couple of friends hide her – one even creates a diversion. She gets away. Men with guns obeying orders, car chases, loyal friends, diversions – it’s like a scene from a war film about the Resistance. For not wearing a mask! .
Sounds like the return of the dreaded Milice. Awful!
Horribly similar to war time when both Jews and members of the Resistance were being hunted. France does of course have a history of doing just that!
In Russia children don’t wear masks in schools.
So which country is a western democracy and which is a dictatorship?
That nice Mr Putin has declared the return of winter flu to be just that.
Hopefully he will soon be dealing with the Russian fergusons with extreme prejudice.
I’d like to see Dr Strangelove crossing swords with Vlad!
Is the one in which peaceful political protesters are baton charged the dictatorship?
Lucky you Doodle, it’s a peer pressure thing. Is your town particularly isolated?
Muzzling seems to be led by shoppers, not so many joggers or dog walkers.
You should encourage your co residents to move afield and spread masklessness throughout the county like a new virus
This sounds like Sweden, or towns I visit in my dreams. How can this be so in the UK in 2020?
Comes and goes a bit in my area.
I’m 200 yards from a primary school; most mums, no mask, but kids are (cruelty); most delivery guys and the posties, no mask, but… my God, the number of people I see alone in their car, driving past my house wearing a mask, with the windows up, is something I cannot fathom at all.
Another one that gets me: people (masked) stepping off the pavement into the aforementioned road to avoid my unmasked face. I’m going to end up causing a road accident one day, and the poor bastard will, no doubt, be put down as having died of Covid.
You will not have caused the accident.
Fear and paranoia caused it. Generated by the government and the media.
We’re in a large village, very few in masks round here. If you go into our nearest city there are significantly more, but it’s still far from universal. This is one of the reasons I’m so suspicious about opinion polls on acceptance of government diktats – I can’t see any obvious pattern in masking by geography, race, sex, age. Obviously I can’t see political orientation, but there’s no obvious reason why that would make a difference either. If the critera which make people more likely to mask up (and presumably more likely to support other measures) are so ephemeral, how can you possibly weight a sample of votes on the matter to the population as a whole?
I think in cities, where people encounter strangers most of the time, it’s a mix of herd mentality/risk of shaming, virtue signalling, thinking that the more we comply the sooner it will be over with and others who think that the more measures are introduced the worse the Covid must be.
It’s odd because cities due to their size and offer a large measure of anonymity that one would have thought there would be less muzzling because the chances of bumping into someone you know is small to non-existent.
However I have to agree with you on virtue signalling. I live & work in London and there is a lot of virtue signalling here, particularly in places with a large upper middle class presence.
Add in people who come from very conformist cultures and yep, one can see the reason why there would be more muzzling in cities.
I agree. People are worried they’ll stand out. It’s that simple.
The experiment will only stand any chance of seeing an impact if everyone wears a masks everywhere all of the time. Including in your own home. 100% compliance. So mandates needed as, without them, very few choose t wear them. The really ironic thing is to make themselves feel better, even though they are only wearing them because they’ve been told to, they now think they are all about the science and victimise anyone who dares to carry on mask less.
It’s shown the worst in people. They don’t even know the guidance half the time. Seen so many people wearing masks with the filters when the guidance says explicitly not to use them as they are useless when dealing with a virus.
People are total sheep. I am thinking of starting a new business because if they can be hoodwinked so easily, I’ve underestimated how easy it must be to take their money.
Where do you live? I spend my time shuttling between Wiltshire and LOndon.
Wiltshire is mask free apart from the supermarket. London, a good minority wear them on the street. Age is irrelevant. I stare at them hard but I would love one of your T shirts so they knew why.
I live in a small town in Northumberland which is full of masked zombies, mainly in the queue outside Waitrose! B&M Bargains, far less so.
There is a definite class element to this. The landed gentry and the farmers think the whole thing is nonsense. A friend told me approvingly the other day about an auctioneer at the Mart who, having been instructed to wear a ‘face covering’ by the management, was striding around the cattle pens in a bandana like a baddie in a Western, telling everyone how absurd it was. Farmers, of course, know about animal disease and suffered from FMD in 2001.
The working class is largely ignoring the whole thing, particularly the men. There are plenty of obediently masked women in shops but the men have a hastily tied Newcastle United scarf, if anything at all. The council estate near me is paying no heed to the ‘no household mixing’ rule and is continuing to hold bonfire parties in the gardens; a phenomenon here throughout every summer and up until Bonfire Night. There have already been fireworks. As everyone there is related to each other and few of them work or go anywhere except Aldi for their drink, I think the police have judiciously decided to leave them alone. We only have a handful of police officers anyway!
The real masked zombies are the West End middle classes; public sector professionals; Momentum activists; BLM and XR supporters and hysterics. Not only do they wear masks in the street, so do their small, brainwashed children. Makes a change from obsessing about their ‘food intolerances’, I suppose!
These young healthy, well paid, well fed, exercised, white, middle class people are, of course, the least likely to die of the virus if they were to catch it and they only mix with each other, at the school gate and Waitrose. Their ostentatious mask wearing is entirely virtue signalling, to ‘show solidarity with the vulnerable’. That does not, of course, include the white working class (there is no other sort) in their own town whose jobs their obsessive fears are destroying.
Brilliant social observation on both sides of the fence, thank you.
Best read of the day, thanks Caroline!
Very few outdoor masks where I live – a medium sized county town. Very high compliance in shops, some in the street near shops (people not taking them off between exiting one shop and entering the next) but otherwise close to zero. People distance here more than in London, but I wonder if that’s partly because we can – there’s more space and people are in less of a hurry. On recent trips to London, a lot more outdoor mask wearing there, but may be related to shops and public transport.
You’re lucky. I’ve become discombubulated in my own workplace because I’m the only one unmuzzled (both staff and visitors). Still, its nice that some visitors deliberately approach me because I’m not wearing a mask.
I went to Seattle recently and I don’t think I saw more than one or two unmasked faces. Even people outside, riding bikes or jogging, all alone… Lots of masks in cars, too.
Sorry, can’t make it out … “you will be ?????” Guess my screen resolution is not quite up to it.
Village in the East Midlands. Currently masks are few, not in the shop, not at school. Our local town has them in the shops but probably 30% outside. Majority still free faced at the moment
Well I live in Muzzleville yesterday, which is (or was) a prosperous large town in Southern England.
Nearly everyone is muzzled inside, with quite a few people muzzled out on the streets too and in their cars.
I went to my local shop yesterday and three out of four people I met on the street cringed away as I approached; one in a doorway, one held back from a narrower part of the path and one went into someone’s driveway.
One of these people, a dog walker, was even muzzled out on an empty street – though his dog wasn’t!
It looks like perhaps the muzzles are a smug middle class thing. Perhaps the Johnson psycho-warfare doesn’t work so well on working class types.
If you’re constantly having to face genuine problems then you tend to have a very sensitive BS radar.
https://ifunny.co/picture/if-you-re-wearing-a-mask-inside-of-your-car-t7gidnHq7
(Seen on UK Column yesterday) MW
Where can I get one?
Right HERE!
You are! Masked zombies everywhere I go, even out on the streets.
Another great t-shirt!
Awesome shirt!!
Dido’s Lament a poignant choice given its traditional place at the Cenotaph.
Remember me,
remember me,
but ah
Forget my fate
Still nonsense being talked about Spain and France. If you look at any proper analysis ‘cases’ have gone up massively and hospitalisations, ICUs and deaths have hardly moved. To the extent they have, the prevalence of positive tests in the population at large (8.3%) is far greater than the prevalence in the deaths (2.7%) – figures for France. So no evidence at all of any ‘second wave’.
And there was I thinking nobody took any notice of the over-rated, opinionated mediocrity Brendan O’Neill, who does a very good impersonation of someone who knows fuck-all about anything.
Just you and me then William.
Utter bollocks that piece Toby included today. The reset concept (and its implications) maybe terrifies him (Brendan) sufficiently for his brain to stop functioning ?
It is absolutely essential that anyone who can do, contacts their MP. I’m surprised Toby hasn’t already flagged this.
https://twitter.com/libertyhq/status/1310584445490147328?s=20
I, like others, have written to my MP more than once, but with absolutely no response. Do you think that they even read their mail?
Same here, but I’ve seen mine stand up in Parliament and is one of the so called ‘rebels’ so he’s onside but maybe getting inundated with mail and too swamped to wade through it. He did say he’s seeing constituents again, with or without a mask.
I kept getting a standard answer (usually to a question I hadn’t asked) several weeks later. Given up, the plan no doubt. No chance of ever voting her out (Whately).
Saw her on a video yesterday – nasty piece of work, incapable of rational thought.
Re: the graph. It seems to be that the virus went into retreat just a couple of days after Johnson’s spectacular Churchillian speech. Could it be that he so effectively mobilized the English language, and – perhaps combined with the threat of bringing in the army – scared the nasty virus away? I can’t think of any other logical explanation to account for the non realization of Witless and Unbalanced non predictive prediction….
“Churchillian” ?
johnson is not fit to wear the great mans trousers though he might just squeeze into his bloomers.
Plenty of room in those, as Boris has no balls.
He’s not even a good tribute act.
Closer to one of those fat Las Vegas Elvis’s
The perversion if language is indeed having a powerful effect on the witless. Indeed, when sanity returns (yes, WHEN – I’m sticking to that), and the huge academic industry of Covid Insanity Studies begins, Covvielanguage (‘covocabulary’) will be a big branch of that industry.
David Crystal, who has got rich by writing popular books on the English language, is already beavering away. He thinks it’s all great and shows what creative little kiddiewinkies we all are. See e.g.
http://www.davidcrystal.com/Files/BooksAndArticles/-5349.pdf
Many of those words will remain forever, long after people forget where they came from
Ring a ring of roses
A pocket full of Posies
Atishoo Atishoo
We All Fall Down
Or, as I wrote some time ago here:
Ring a ring of morons,
Time to put the masks on
Atishoo Atishoo
We all lock down
It’s just occured to me, if schoolchildren still sing that nursery rhyme would it be in breach of No Covid Jokes policy ?
You could be right! Another offence for the Thought Police to investigate!
Sneezing, amazingly, is on the very short list of things that are not a symptom according to WHO, CDC and Boots (link posted here a few days ago).
I sneezed on a bus journey recently and the woman seated across the isle started and looked worried.
I must up my snuff consumption. Usually only on long train rides or flights. But I see an opportunity here …
O yes! Loud explosive eruptions accompanied by conspicuous snuff consumption.
It does get you funny looks in some pubs, where other substances are (allegedly) taken nasally.
https://twitter.com/Barcajim3/status/1310670512465555456
Really enjoyed Jon Snow’s excellent rant at Handjob last night, especially the “we are a laughing stock” line.
He’s right, sadly, but if Snow thinks we are a laughing stock now, wait till he sees Johnson’s plan for our new national flag. (see below).
hancock “. . . i hope. . . ”
Tersely interrupted
Jon Snow “you know nothing of what’s going on”
hancock ” . . . . .”
Marvellous stuff.
Surely a front runner for the new UN flag?
… or WHO
It’s actually the same colour as the current UN flag
What Hancock knows, and what Snow now realises and is so animated about after months of supine obeisance, is that their wealth is gone. The upper middle class are being thrown under the bus along with everyone else. No wonder we are hearing rumours of a Tory backbench “rebellion” against the government. And they are paying for their children to be incarcerated at university, which I’m sure has fuelled the increase in MSM animosity towards the government in recent days.
Jon’s finger poking
at hancock was quite remarkable.
I would recommend knuckle dusters next time round.
Nearly Annie; I know you are too ladylike to have watched the Tom Hardy portrayal of the Kray twins, but the start of the pub fight between the Krays and the loudmouths who think that Reggie is going to get a hiding in the pub (he pulls out a pair of knuckledusters, and Ronnie sneaks in with a pair of hammers) is quite pleasant to watch, if you visualise the Krays as the public and the other gang as the COVID-authoritarians within our society.
Not to mention that months ago Sunak didn’t rule out tax raids on pensions and he’s long wanted to abolish the triple lock. As our economy goes into freefall, I can picture the Treasury doing exactly that. Hence why the upper MC who were so enthusiastic about lockdown and the associated paraphernalia are slowly turning against it. Not only are their little darlings turning into inmates at Dachau but also their wealth is next on the hit list.
Their conversion to the cause of lockdown scepticism is most welcome however they have to realise that they will have to share the economic pain just like the rest of us.
Wait for the wealth tax, that will wake a few more people.
Exactly. I think Sunak was also gunning for that when he mentioned that he wanted to get rid of the triple lock. That should make the upper MC folk quake in their boots.
The student incarceration has finally brought the covid restrictions home to roost for the liberal chattering classes. They have loved working from home and signalling their wealth and virtue but now Lola and Olive aren’t getting their university experience they are finally starting to question the necessity of lockdown…
Indeed. Empathy for less well-off people evidently not their strong point.
Yes, because this is a situation that they cannot ‘pay their way out of’ – ie they cannot use their money to get ‘Lola and Olive’ special privileges like exemption from the rules…
was this clip from last night?
Shared on our Twitter!
It’s not too late to write to your MP to “encourage them” to vote down the Coronavirus Act tomorrow. Sharing our experiences here helps keep our spirits up but unless Bojo and the Clowns get a bloody nose, this nightmare will continue.
A clear demonstration showing how the lockdown saved no lives in Britain,
using Ferguson’s predictions for deaths in Britain and Sweden and what actually happened in both countries.
If you take Ferguson’s prediction for no lockdown Sweden with the official death rate it was 12 times lower.
SWEDEN Prediction 70,000 official deaths 5,880
Divide Neil Ferguson’s (Imperial College London) prediction for the UK with no lockdown,
UK 500,000 by 12 you reach a figure of 41,666.
Currently the official figure for the UK is 41,988
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bpu87AHIILA
Andrew Neil: “Boris Johnson panicked – hard to say Sweden was wrong” (and what it means for the UK)
Please share – send to your MP, whatever
Coppers
Told NOT To Download Test & Trace App “Security Reasons”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcIh4fbHYPY
The proles in Orwell’s 1984 had it better than the current undermensch of the UK
The pubs were open, no track and trace, and they could stand at bar and sing if they wished. They were free to mix with their parents, children, and grandchildren
It was ok to mingle with friends
Ok, so they had no access to dentistry, or medical care, but neither do we anymore
They had a few casualties caused by the rockets fired from East Asia, but the numbers were tiny compared with how many this dictator has killed
Life was pretty safe and torture was only inflicted on members of the party.
Personally, I have no problem with a hungary rat being inserted in handy cock’s helmut (titter ye not)
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does it have to be hungarian or will any east european rat do. ?
Were the rockets really Eastasian? Party terror tactic quite possible, as now.
‘Mask recognition technology’???
Can’t the posse of bullying thugs that lurks outside every supermarket tell the difference between a human being and a nappied sheeple? They need a machine to do it for them?
In big Chinese cities they use an app with facial recognition that docks your bank account (also on the app) the moment you drop an item in your shopping bag. No credit card or phone needs swiping.
Sounds great except they cancel you if you fail to sing the Great Leaders praises enthusiastically enough each morning.
Cash is not an option.
Oh, but the convenience of no cash.
Just think how you can save yourself all of a minute or two whenever. you go the shops. I don’t know about anyone else, but if I can save a couple of minutes every time I buy something, I could easily be saving 10 minutes a week, maybe 15? Surely that’s worth giving all your freedom up for?
in sweden (i think) they have trialled microchips implanted in the arm. not only gets you through doors but can be used for payment
they also use the same technology to issue toilet paper in public toilets. You get 5 pieces. if that is not enough you have to go out, wait 10 minutes and then come back in again. .
Humorous but then if you extend this to Xingjiang and the Uyghurs where additionally they have QR codes on houses (that the police can scan to get details of who is there), mandatory apps on the phone, phone scanning points where the police download the contents of your phone.
Sounds familiar
Need to see your face for that, then?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLV4_xaYynY
Hendrix ‘All Along The Watchtower’ ;a song for our times.
And, for our hapless, confined,overcharged,shamefully imprisoned students, I predict electrified fences and watchtowers.
For Oxford and Cambridge colleges?
It’ll be a challenge … but I dare say Britain’s New Model SS will rise to it.
Locally it’s one road in and one road out.
Two Watchtowers will suffice.
Think you’re right Annie : the einsatzgruppen will take up the challenge,masked,armed with tasers and eager to do their patriotic duty.
SS Covidmeister Hancock will direct from Westminster,and change the rules on an ad hoc basis, just to keep the squads on their toes.
And up here, Chef Oberaufseherin Sturgeon will direct from Holyrood,ensuring that the Kommandofuhrerinen stick to allocated schedules.
Vernichtung durch arbeit
I always much preferred the Dylan version!
I think both are good;albeit very different.
‘John Wesley Harding’ is one of his best LPs,along with ‘The Freewheelin’ Bob Dylan’
Blood on the Tracks for me, and Bringing it all Back Home.
I’d forgotten ‘Blood on the Tracks’; ‘Simple twist of Fate’ is a favourite.
‘Idiot Wind’ seems appropriate now.
And this, picking up wendyk’s hapless, confined,overcharged,shamefully imprisoned students
Tolling for the aching ones whose wounds cannot be nursed
For the countless confused, accused, misused, strung-out ones an’ worse
An’ for every hung-up person in the whole wide universe
An’ we gazed upon the chimes of freedom flashing
I’ve often thought of ‘Chimes of Freedom Flashing’ in the last few months, but especially ‘It’s alright Ma’, and ‘Let me die in my Footsteps’.
Combined rather brilliantly with Hurricane in Girl from the North Country. Odds on ever seeing that live again? Still waiting for news of Leopoldstadt starting up again.
Hendrix played at Woodstock during an Avian flu pandemic,
Simple questions to ask people to make them think.
1. Do you know anyone who has died of Covid 19?
2. Where are the deaths in supermarkets?
3. Why did Covid 19 clear up so quickly in China?
4. If masks work why is influenza on the rise currently as it does every winter? Why were we constantly told mask don’t work?
I mentioned the 200 daily deaths from Summer flu to someone, unsurprisingly they had no idea.
You do have to be careful asking your question 1, we know a number of people who have died of Covid and more who have been seriously ill. If you ask your question 1 and the answer is yes then the whole conversation switches to a personal and emotional basis.
Don’t get me wrong I think the lockdown and masks are all nonsense but some people have had some sad personal and tragic experiences over the last 6 months.
You’re right.
Of course, many other people have had personal and tragic experiences with death from other causes, but what does a. Coronazombie care about other people?
No. You are talking about borderline psychotic behaviour – interning children, forcibly vaccinating people. Troubled individuals.
I am convinced that the biggest factor in covid deaths was intubation. When they stopped sticking tubes into people, as the Chinese had told the world was necessary, and followed the evidence of their eyes/ their instincts as clinicians, the fatality rate fell off a cliff.
a 50% death rate for the intubated isn’t it?
Corollary to number 4 – why is it that despite mask wearing why is it that East Asia has one of the highest statistics when it comes to flu?
It is a widely held misconception that Asians are used to wearing masks.
That is simply not true. Until this Feb, seeing someone wearing a mask in any Chinese city or anywhere in South East Asia was a rarity.
When you saw somebody with a mask it was either
(a) because they were protecting themselves from pollution
(b) they were a sophisticated urbanite with a cold of some sort being considerate
The vast vast vast majority of people never wore masks.
Agree. When Mr Bart and I went to Japan nearly 3 years ago, there weren’t that many people wearing masks however even then there was a phenomenon where you get people who aren’t even sick wearing them – mostly young people. Which has lead to Japanese mental health experts raising the alarm over the growing social maladujstment among the country’s young people.
I was in Hong Kong in 2018. Didn’t see anyone in a mask.
Its more a Japanese thing really rather that Chinese.
Question one is a very very bad question. This is because just about anybody will say they “know” sombody who died of “IT”. This will be granny who was old and ill anyway, or “a guy at work” who’s mates dad died of “IT”. Everybody has a STORY and a stake in the Corona Movie.
This is the number one put-down that a covid cultist will use to justify EVERYTHING. Its an easy and obvious show stopper. It will shut down any discussion of any counter-narrative FAST
The next one that cultists will use is, well my Mum/gran/child/aunty/etc is immuno suppressed or vulnerable so I am doing “the covid thing” to protect them. It’s hard to counter than without sounding callous. Steer round that one to, putting a person in a position where they have to hit you with this one.
Perhaps it would be better to ask them first if they are “shielding” then you can be all sympathetic towards them and take the take approach of trying to lift their fears.
I can’t help thinking that there will be real need for trained councillors to de-program the brainwashed. It’s so serious the damage that has been done to people that it will take some very skilled therapists to untangle the scrambled thought processes.
I,m not prepared to take a lecture from a person with a haircut like that
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-54328475
Even mine looks better than that and I’m still doing mine myself.
But there’s a smidgeon of humanity in what she says:
‘And as one of Wales’ leading end-of-life care specialists she is calling for health organisations not to impose a blanket ban on families visiting due to coronavirus restrictions going forward.
During the peak it was not uncommon for next of kin be prevented from spending their final hours with their loved ones.
“I think we need to have a much more nuanced, gentle, compassionate approach to how we manage people who are dying and those who love them,” she said.
“They want to be with them [at the end], they want to sit with them, of course they do.
“And I worry that we may have got the balance wrong and we need to get it right.”‘
I didn’t think any if our Covid Death Ministers was human enough to think that dying people ought not to be abandoned. After all, these ministers aren’t savages. Savages know better.
She still thinks we need to “flatten that curve” for the exhausted NHS! What curve is she looking at?
The excellent Sir Desmond has a blog
https://www.desmondswaynemp.com/blogs/
Definitely worth following. Pearls from Swayne!
‘Pearls from Swayne” very good.
A gem from annie
Hi Annie,
Apologies, thread diversion. I don’t get time to read all the posts on here, and often browse them very late. By chance yesterday I came across your post telling of your experience going to church unmasked, and was saddened to read it.
I’m not one for revealed religion, being more of a deist myself, but feel sure that God appreciates those who step outside of groupthink and act according to their own conscience on what they deem to be right, especially when it requires the courage which you have so resolutely displayed.
Doodle’s t-shirt on here today will be proved true, I am sure.
I’m reminded totally out of the blue of the Sunday School parable (?) about a jester doing acrobatic stunts in front of an alter.
He is reprimanded by one priest before another declares that he is doing the right thing by offering his one skill to God.
That’s a vey old story.The Virgin came down from her plinth and mopped the brow of the tumbler, because he’d done his very best in her honour.
Thank you, TJN.
I’m going to go next Sunday, to show I haven’t been scared off, and then never again. I won’t worship the Covid devil in what used to be a house of God.
Good on you.
TJN
This virus hoo-haa has seen statistics and figures thrown around and used just to make a point rather than with any sense of logic and context.
They just announced on the BBc radio that over 1 million people around the World have died from Covid and said no more. I think that is an example of the poor journalism that has characterised this hoo-haa. I million sounds a lot but it needs to be put into context. When I heard that figure I had no idea how many people die around the world each year and I expect neither did many listeners.
It looks as though 57 million people die each year around the world and so 1 million Covid deaths represents; 1.75% of the worlds annual deaths. Project Covid fear continues and I am afraid The BBC have become its mouthpiece. All they had to do was to put the 1 million figure into the context of 1.75% to give a much more balanced news item.
That figure is about as trustworthy as Matt Hancock and the BBC surely knows this.
I posted a similar though less comprehensive comment above before reading this, they really are shocking, we need our sceptical comrades with access to the media to make this point.
There almost seems to be some kind of sick celebration around their now being 1 million deaths, in the same way that the MSM we wanting Sweden to fail and thus every time the death rate or infections went up they would be bosting we were right they were wrong, just hoping that Sweden would fail.
The Beeb just LOVES death.
Oooooh they do. Mummmmm DEATH!
Trafalgar Square demo.
Just seen at Breitbart UK 27th Sept.
4 minute vid, from about 3 mins police are penned in by angry but not hostile crowd, unmasked anxious looking officer talks to worried looking colleague to confirm what appears to be an exit strategy using those choppy hand gestures.
At 3.30 an officer at the rear batons a person to the ground After Which several others pile in on him when he was already down. Shocking.
Sorry, can’t do links from Android.
Aaronson and Rutherford return to The Ministry of Love and another spell in room 101 with uncle Dom
https://images.app.goo.gl/j4aZ8tY324BKuFNU8
Daily Mail: RICHARD LITTLEJOHN: These restrictions are a concerted assault on our civil liberties.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8782781/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-restrictions-concerted-assault-civil-liberties.html
I do hope Hancock et al. read it.
Yes, I’d love to see his face when he sees himself described as an ‘infuriating little squit’ !!!
‘Priti Flamingo’ was also an inspired choice of description!
His best so far. “.. a baffled Tory minister… told him: ‘We got one briefing note about how people could be allowed to mingle. It said they could meet in the garden if they socially distance, but couldn’t enter a Wendy House if there was one.”
We had a lovely meal out last night in a busy restaurant. No masks, no obvious restrictions, just people talking, laughing, eating – enjoying themselves as normal human beings. Afterwards a drink at the bar. What happens at 10 o’clock? Nothing – people keep on enjoying themselves. Where am I? Haarlem in the Netherlands enjoying normality.
This does raise the questions of why is there such a ridiculous over reaction to Covid 19 in the UK and why the people are accepting it. Why is the Uk the stupidest and most subservient nation in Europe?
I am dreading returning to the UK particularly as I will be placed under house arrest by the evil regime that we live under.
I will never be able to look on the British people in the same light again. I’m actually ashamed to be British now.
So much of what I thought being British stood for has gone now. Having said that, there are still a very small minority, many of whom have presumably gravitated to this site, still stand tall. Perhaps it was ever thus.
I have British and Irish passports and have always confused people by being proud to hail from both countries but, sadly, I am ashamed of the cowardly and unscientific approach of both countries to this virus.
The English-speaking countries appear to be especially bad. Odd.
According to the BBC the Netherlands are introducing a 10 pm curfew https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-54331921
According to the BBC, we reached the ;agonising’ worldwide 1m milestone’, worldwide!!
And people still say this isn’t a conspiracy
Taking of conspiracies: I’ve just been reading Mercola.com and am somewhat worried by this, given that Boris has actually mentioned Bill Gates in recent speeches:
Cryptocurrency System Based on Human Body Activity
Shiva (Vandana Shiva) goes on to review a patent granted to Microsoft the last week of March 2020, for a cryptocurrency system based on human body activity. Everything from brain activity and body fluid flows to organ activity and various muscle movements is to be used to mine for cryptocurrency in this system.
Coincidentally, the number on this patent is 060606. Remove the zeros and you end up with the ill-fated number “666,” which also happens to show up in the monstrously unconstitutional U.S. surveillance bill H.R. 6666.
Ultimately, Gates’ vision, Shiva says, includes the colonization of our children’s minds and bodies “before they even have the opportunity to understand what freedom and sovereignty look and feel like.” To this end, Gates is working on reinventing education.
Indeed, the COVID-19 lockdowns and social distancing rules have repeatedly been referred to as “the new normal.” If the technocrats get their way, there will essentially be three kinds of people in the world: The uber-rich top echelon to whom rules don’t apply, digital slaves, and disposables — people who have no value in this new digital empire. If this doesn’t sound like the life we want to live, we must, as Shiva proposes, resist. And we must start now.
I’m reminded of UK column from early May, when they said their information was that the government wanted all schools to close permanently – the above sounds all-too-like the same plan…
That’s what they want. A Google standardised education for all global citizens. Human augmented Cyborgs, on the grid from birth with no ability to opt out.
It’s truly horrifying, especially now Boris has openly said Bill Gates is working with the UK..
Oops
Yes very worrying. Dr Mercola’s articles are always spot on, very well researched.
Went to a regular cafe on the beach yesterday, having been away for 1 week and was told, no can’t sit there,have to join the queue to be shown a seat and table service, no queue and was told to sit in the marquee thing they’ve erected, No I said, well would you like to sign in then, so afraid to say I had a melt down which resulted in me storming out but looking in disgust at those already complying. Walked 2 miles along the beach to another cafe, completely different, no rules and after ordering at the counter, asked where was I sitting. Its completely mad and crazy.
Good for you, I’m envious. Unfortunately I live in the North East of England and we are being hit hard by the latest round of authoritarianism from our Government. We were booked in to a restaurant this coming Saturday for a table of four, my wife, sister and brother in law. Now, that has to be cancelled as we are from different households. Even though the restaurant will be full of people we don’t know (or will it), the absolute madness of it all is turning me insane.
Why are you going to obey this law?
Why did you tell them who was in your party. You could of just had one person put their “name” down and +3
Steady on. I think the Spaniards might have something to say about your comments. They have a bona fide claim to be being the stupidest and most subservient nation in Europe. They do all the things the UK does plus:
But the UK is almost certainly in the top 2.
Fair point Stewart; it seems we are in a stupidity contest with Spain, although as I live in Scotland there isn’t much in it. Incidentally just enjoyed an excellent mask free breakfast and we are about to head in to the mask free town to enjoy some mask free shopping. We are trying to overdose on freedom to tide us over the dark days ahead when we return to the UK. At least we will be reunited with other family members, or is that banned as well?
Stay in Haarlem andI wish I could join you!
I went there once.
When regulars stop posting on here I often wonder what’s become of them – that’s social media for you.
But does anyone know what has happened to Wendy?
Maybe I’ve missed something, but I haven’t seen anything from her for ages. She seemed to get so much support from being on here, and clearly was going through a tough time with her Dad in a care home.
I’m sure I saw something with her name on it this morning. Unless it’s a different Wendy of course.
Wendyk posts regularly, but I guess there’s no connection.
No, I’m a different Wendy
Your pizza huts have ice cream??
Self service ice cream. Or at least used to, thank you Mr Hang Cock
Yes, all you can eat too!
Yep and if you have it together with the lunch buffet you only have to pay a token amount.
I heard that about the police, no downloading or no police
A little more optimistic this morning than I have been for a while. Nearly all front pages of MSM taking a questioning, if not openly hostile, stance on the latest draconian incursions (or at any rate, the manner in which they were introduced). I had three conversations yesterday with colleagues who until now have been passive but who are now waking up.
At least, if the government doesn’t change tack (and I don’t think it will), I think there are growing signs that popular consent is being withheld.
But, we ask, how can we change things?
By writing to our MP, to our local newspapers, by organising locsll demos like Querdenken.
‘By writing to our MP’ – ha ha ha! Been there, done that (repeatedly) – totally ignored or form reply, grovellling to their party bosses.
If only we had a democracy!
I would keep my eye on the main TV channels. They drive the narrative.
Nobody reads newspapers.
Though often tv channels take their lead from newspapers
Sorry but I had to laugh at the extract from the mail. Trendy Mosley!twirling around to brass bands!As a native Brummie Ithink I can say without upsetting the residents of Mosley it’s about as trendy as a pair of old mans big underpants. And where did the brass band come from? Presumably the salli army was out having an early Christmas practice. I haven’t laughed as much since the Telegraph said Wheeley castle in Brum was the go to destination for affluent Londoners to move to.
I do wonder if these journalists ever step outside their london ivory towers. Still a bit of lightness in these very dark times.
If give Moseley a little more credit than that, to be fair. Weoley Castle, a little less…
Uplifting speech by Sir Desmond Swayne. He was absolutely bang on with everything he said, especially his put down over Sweden. Hopefully this speech will give other MPs the balls and stand up for the freedom of this nation. However I feel it may be too little too late.
I emailed my support and got a brief message of thanks. Nice to get that, considering how many messages he must get. My own zombie MP hasn’t bothered to reply at all.
Ditto
I was saying to the wife by the end of this week you’ll start to see the real cracks due to:
Whatever happens with the vote – I don’t think it will be much of a change but you never know.
The 4 weeks notice period – some places probably won’t even do this
And from Mike Graham’s show yesterday:
1st Oct is the introduction of eviction powers – premises have 14 days from then to pay up to 6 months of rent in arrears
Wonder what the stats are when it came to rent collection for this cycle. I remember reading that it was 9 out of 10 premises were unable to pay back in June. I can imagine it has remained the same or gotten worse.
University vice-chancellors talking about their actions to make us ‘Covid safe’ have the same nervous look, the same crack in the voice, as Whitty and Vallance when about to present their graph. It says ‘How am I ever going to escape accountability for this?’
How can I keep my preposterous salary and pension?
Are businesses finally working out that by enforcing the restriction of freedoms they are destroying themselves? I suspect a lot of people have been thinking that if all competing businesses are made to do the same thing, the net effect is neutral. And we see this with businesses gamely ploughing on as though they think that the public have no choice e.g. restaurants thinking that as long as all restaurants force their customers into muzzles, the customers will keep coming. But they won’t, of course. Ditto the students. Who will pay £9000 to do an online course while trapped in a prison-like cell?
All but a minority of businesses will die – people will even cut their own hair to avoid the humiliation of having to make an appointment, wear a mask, get their temperature taken, etc. Even those customers who say they approve of the restrictions will, in their actions, demonstrate that they’d rather stay in their own cocoon of sanity at home.
Not that this wasn’t obvious to us from day one. But maybe everyone else is just beginning to cotton on.
Unfortunately I don’t see any signs that businesses and institutions like the National Trust have really woken up and I think its precisely what you say – they think we have no choice. Or are capitalising on the idea that people will be so desperate to eat out or see an exhibition or watch a show.
However they don’t seem to realise that while many people will boycott out of principle those who gamely prebook their visits, wear the muzzles and leave their details in order to eat out or visit a stately home will come to the conclusion that its not worth it to go through this rigmarole and not bother to do another visit or booking.
Some people are waking up. But if businesses and institutions do, it will be too late.
They have to make a choice now – fight back against this insanity or be annihilated.
I’ve written to a few saying I won’t be coming back until this is all over, so they know why they have lost my business.
The National Trust has lost my membership subscription. Permanently. I have told them why.
Ditto. And from June 2021, I cease to be a member of the National Gallery.
I’m cutting my own hair. Saved an estimated £100 so far.
Given our already precarious finances how do we get out or avoid paying out when the inevitable legal action comes from the students and their parents?
THEY WON’T.BY GOD, THEY WILL NOT.
BBC headline this morning; world Covid deaths have topped One million, no attempt at context just pure hyperbole, which if not intended directly to stoke fear is at best totally irresponsible journalism. They really are a shocking bunch, what percentage of the global population is one million ? It might help the people who pay you if you tell them.
Pity they didnt mention the 1.2 million children expected to die as a result of the world’s response to the virus and the many more propelled into abject poverty. No worries regarding 1.5 million yearly deaths from TB, similar malaria, then poor sanitation … as usual there is only one disease. Interesting that they are now moving to world statistics as obviously national ones aren’t scary enough.
Annual Global Deaths (as near as I can tell)
1.6M Tuberculosis
1.4M Pneumonia (<5years old)
1.0M HIV/AIDS
0.7M Flu
3.0M Tobacco
3.0M Alcohol
1.4M Vehicle
0.8M Suicide
0.5M Homicide
Malaria deaths likely to rise as a result of the panic.
If you want a really big number to compare for effect, put the number of abortions on there (about 40 million per year).
40 million from pneumonia per annum. Source: Wikipedia.
So you ask yourself, why would any sensible person not see these figures and think “hold on, something fishy going on here, I’m more likely to die in a car crash than of Covid, may be I should stop going in cars and stop wearing a damn muzzle!”. Someone order me to get off my arse reading all this and getting more stressed, let’s face it we should be used to being ordered around by now.
Just leaned that in Germany in the last 4 months 4thousand people died in household accidents, 427 “of” Covid.
Out of the 44 million deaths worldwide so far this year. So just over 2%. Disgraceful again from the BBC but wouldn’t expect anything else.
1m worldwide, out of 7,7 billion, you just hope more people are getting more clued up
A lot of people don’t know how many millions make up a billion. They have no idea what the world population is. They have no idea what the UK population is and they have no idea of annual deaths from other causes. They just have no idea period.
This is true. I read a book once called “The Perils of Perception” (it’s on amazon), all about how people’s perceptions are skewed by lack of understanding of context and MSM output.
But it turned out, that there was nothing wrong with my perception. I had a pretty good idea what percentage of people were immigrants in my country, were overweight, had diabetes….all these things. Why are some people immune to this and others so susceptible? it’s clearly not intelligence or education as a lot of people I had considered quite bright have been totally suckered on this occasion.
I think having an instinctive feel for numbers helps. I just have a sense of when sums add up, without really being sure why.
Indeed and neither did I until this started, at which point I decided to get myself better informed Baffled as to why lots of supposedly intelligent people with time on their hands (my ex-friends) have not bothered – guess they have very little regard for their own freedom, that of their families, and for mine, and they don’t seem to me to be actually ALIVE.
Also much blame must go to the media for not providing that perspective, as is their duty.
Laziness. As someone who had a career in planning and forecasting for 40+ years, I’m not surprised at the low level of number literate people. Even in the company I worked for many senior managers could not grasp basic level stats and put them into context. Bit like our government ministers now!
The BBC make me want to vomit. Why should a ’round number’ be a subject for a massive news headline? It’s just pathetic.
Somehow they imagine that people are standing round water coolers saying to each other “Just imagine, Doris. One million. The BBC says it’s reached o n e m i l l i o n. That’s ten to the power six. One million… A one followed by six zeros. I’ll never forgive Boris for this. And Trump. I had a bad feeling when it topped nine hundred thousand that the next milestone was the Big One. A million…. (whistles)… one… million. But in my heart of hearts I never really thought this day would come. Now it’s here… I’m feeling a bit faint. Doris, just help me sit down in the corner. It’s all too much…”
From the main page today:
“Another Conservative MP who had some forceful words for the Government was Pauline Latham (Mid Derbyshire): “There are many pensioners who wish to see their family rather than live a long life. They would like to be able to make that choice.”
Yes, well said, BUT….BUT….
This assumes that if old folk see their family, their lives are guaranteed to be shortened! And this is nonsense; the latest CDC stats show the over 70s have a 99.74 chance of full recovery if infected. Now in the very elderly with comorbidities this figure will be substantially less, but it’s definitely NOT a case of “if you hug your grandkids, you will die.”
Why is certain death from this infection automatically assumed?
I heard this was because of care home Insurance and risk. Not so with sheltered homes for the elderly. My 2 80+ aunts both in this sort of accommodation, have continued with their independant lives, visiting and being visited, its very sad what’s happening when money comes into it.
But the Fuhrer said that my cough could be someone else’s death. Why would our beloved Fuhrer say something if it wasn’t for our own good?
A 73 year old male friend of mine has had it and survived – he has the antibodies to prove it!
just got it! (I’m a bit slow).
On my way to the book repository.
Friend of mine in the world of science, showed me a small petri dish with billions of germs on it and then how the germs see a muzzle, rather like a fishing net with massive holes they can swim through, so he said that’s why they changed the dialogue to stopping ‘droplets’ which soak into the muzzle during surgery.
Often I bang on about the critical pillar in the scientific method: measurement. And how you need to make sure you are measuring the thing you say you are measuring. That requires strict definitions of the thing you measure. Otherwise you exagerate and often measure noise.
So put it another way:
If we had used the same loose attribution of symptoms of Covid, and the various contradictory paths of attributing Covid (i.e neg test but symptoms = Covid, pos test, no symptoms = Covid) BUT we applied to the FLU…
How many excess deaths in bad years would we have registered?
500,000 maybe?
It’s a great point. But the Covid credulous would shout at you “It’s not just flu. How dare you even suggest that it’s the same as just flu! I know of at least three people who know someone who know someone who has died of Covid! And someone else who’s got Long Covid and even three months later sometimes feels a bit tired. Try telling HIM it’s just flu! You inhuman b*stard…!”
Wish I had a pound for every time I got that exact same response to my scepticism on the shitshow. I’d be richer than Bill Gates!
Haha, it’s always appeals to emotion with them, isn’t it? The way to combat this isn’t to say “well x amount of figures and y amount of percentages”, because they mentally cannot comprehend that. Appeal to their emotion as well. Talk about how many people have died of cancer over the same period of time. How suicides have sharply risen because of lockdown. How the equivalent of 500 million jobs have been lost globally and what that will do to people.
1,000000 die of CV:Cue: “Armageddon,end of times,we’re all going to die, etc”
What is the population of the world?(in billions)
7 billion.
between 1 & 4 million died in the 1968 Hong Kong flu pandemic
over a million in the 1958 Asian flu pandemic
Don’t let the truth spoil a good story.
Not forgetting the world population in 1968 was half of what it is today.
And much less in 1958
Adjusted for population, those two pandemics were WAY more deadly than this one
1.5 million die of TB every year
I refer you to the reply that I gave to p02099003.
Yep, that b’stard Tony Blair has a lot to answer for!
1.5 million children die of diarrhea – a disease of poverty – expect that to go up as 400 million of the worlds poorest have been made unemployed
And of course the deaths are not necessarily dying of covid.. wasnt the “from covid” death figure for the uk around 4000. And assume a lot of overcounting in USA
covid is a complicating factor in deaths of old age. nobody dies ‘of’ covid. Its a cold
Local lockdowns :- are these being policed as well as quarantine back from France ?
In my area (Durham) we are now not able to mix households, don
t know the small print (or barcode) as i avoid the news now, but i have 3 households to rely on in me getting to work and paying into the "holy" NHS funds. Mine, my exs and my parents who collect my little girl from school so i can work.Is it a case of family bubbles being legal as was back in April ? `
Who gives a crap what idiot for rent Brendan O’Neill thinks about anything. Toby is relentless in dishing up daily shills on this site. Birds of a feather….
No wonder this site has achieved nothing except provide Intel to our enemies.
Actually I find this site to be helpful for the most part. I’m sure I’m not the only one who thinks this.
What is O’Neill saying that you find so objectionable?
In what way is he a shill?
I tend not to worry a great deal about what TY posts – some of it I agree with and find interesting, other parts less so. That’s life. Same with the comments.
As for achieving things, it’s a useful source of ideas and information, and place to test arguments, let off steam and feel like you’re not the only person in the world that hasn’t gone mad. I think it would be hard to measure what it had achieved, but you could say the same about most sites of this nature – if the objective is changing people’s minds, how would you measure that? Are there alternative sites you could recommend that have achieved more?
Regarding giving intel to our enemies, any public site where sceptic ideas are discussed would do that, were they to look (doubt they are but may be wrong). In any case, the arguments are what they are – there’s really very little that is new, and new arguments e.g. false positives need to be made public to have any effect, so I am not sure I get the point about intel.
Agree, Lockdownsceptics has provided many useful sources and links over the past few months when the mainstream media has been united behind the establish cause of taking away all our freedoms. There are also very few sceptical forums.
Brendan O’Neil has at least provided some opposition to lockdowns and government overreach in radio interviews and on Spiked and the Spectator – don’t quite get his snobbery and distain for ‘conspiracies’ when so many have been proven correct in the past. The World Economic Forum is trying to reshape the world it is on their website clear as anything and promoted by Prince Charles and the UN – but I am sure Brendan would still say that is a conspiracy.
Yes, would Prince Charles really be allowed to spout conspiracy theories??? And more than once?
Mind you, I thought the royals were not allowed to be involved in politics??!!
The media are all over Harry and Meghan and their netflix show, but what Prince Charles says is not being broadcast… why not?
When the Queen makes a speech, the BBC and other media show it and it makes the papers.
Is the lack of publicity for Prince Charles and global reset because it reveals the bigger agenda behind CV19?
The sad truth is we are incredibly controlled by those in power and we are allowed a few token mainstream ‘journalists’ as controlled opposition – they moan about relatively minor issue (however still comply) but stay completely silent on the bigger issue which really matter such as UN Agenda 2021 and 2030 and the World Economic Forum ‘Great Reset’.
Most people aren’t willing to accept this because it shatters everything they have believed their entire lives.
I’m with you peter, can’t stand the prick, and as far as toby goes there is no hope with this dude, same goes for Dellingpole. How depressing is it to hear Peter Hitchens instead of Christopher Hitchens. That to me is torture
Brendan O’Neill’s great talent is for finding the angle to insert the skewer into someone else’s hypocritical or malformed argument.
Just been flipping through his articles at Spiked:
https://www.spiked-online.com/author/brendan-oneill/
(you can keep loading more and more)
What’s not to like?
As far as I recall, Brendon O’Neill was the first journalist to call out the police for some of their actions in enforcing the lockdown – drones bugging walkers etc.
The Spectator, 27 March, ‘Derbyshire police should leave those dog walkers alone’ (quote: ‘We have to be vigilant about the spread of Covid-19. And we have to be vigilant about the spread of authoritarianism’).
And week earlier, 20 March, in The Spectator he penned ‘ The closure of pubs makes this a dark day for Britain’ (quote: ‘This is a dark day for the UK. Fight Covid-19, yes, but don’t kill freedom in the process’).
Saying things like that wasn’t fashionable back then (unlike now, when it’s easy). So I’ll tip my hat to him.
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/maths-or-myths-do-those-scary-covid-stats-really-add-up/
Quote in this at the end of the piece, 9 mins approx sums up whats going on at the moment. Worth watching all of the clip. Sky news Australia has been great at challenging the utter rubbish that governments have been coming out with over the last few months. If only our own MSM had been as brave.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm0a_kNbk0Y
Would be interesting to know how many people have died from other diseases/virus in the same 7 months.
40 Million deaths from pneumonia every year globally, out of 400 million “cases”. And the WHO are ramping up Covid because…..
I’m putting this together a little hurriedly so excuse any errors.
This morn on the news some local councillor in the N.E. said very sadly a ban on friends meeting in tea shops and pubs had to be accepted because cases were rocketing.
Rocketing and how! In Newcastle they have gone from 4 at the end of August to 107 (as of the 21st September (these are 7 days averages). The peak in the first wave was 42 on April 4th.
The rise in hospital admissions are not so steep. These are the figures for the N.E. and Yorkshire (don’t have them for Newcastle). End of August 11 – 23rd September 89 a steady increase which might now be flattening. (The April peak was 294)
Here are the mortality figures for the N.E. They peaked on the 11th April, 49, fell to zero in the summer and on the 24th September they were 2. (7 day running averages again)
Figures come from:- https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk
Clearly much attention is being given to ‘cases’.
If it was not for testing I doubt that we would hardly notice anything was going on. It has stopped being about deaths and illness and is now just an academic exercise playing with numbers and people’s lives.
Look out for bumped up hospitalizations, they did this before but then the morbidity rate tanked.
these are not cases….. they are “tests that show a positive” . And the figures are meaningless without reference to the number of tests carried out (which we know are growing )
And hospital admissions are recording people admitted having had a positive test. Again meaningless .. we dont know if the admissions are people ill with covid. (probably not)
Yes, “cases” are clearly now determined very differently. But they are still being given there same weight as back in April by most politicians – local or national – it seems.
A good point on hospital admissions too.
No measure is certain I would say but that for “excess deaths” (terrible term) and that is no measure of how the virus is impacting because of “collateral damage” (another dread term.)
The hospital admission figures are for any and all causes of admission. Not at all necessarily related to covid. Plus they include as positives anyone who tested positive up to 14 days before admission. so its really just a surrogate number for the level of virus in society. It says nothing about covid illness as such
See the graphic from a couple of days ago, main page, shows ramped up testing finding cases now equalling figures from April-May but deaths still bumping along at less than a dozen a day.
Cases in April-May were people who were already seriously ill cases now are people who need testing before they even know they have the ‘terrible Pandemic’.
Remember Government message March “if you have symptoms don’t go to hospital or doctor, stay at home and if it gets bad telephone A&E. ie don’t bother us until you are at deaths door = March ‘cases’.
Remember Government message March “if you have symptoms don’t go to hospital or doctor, stay at home and if it gets bad telephone A&E.
I wasn’t in England at the time so I didn’t know that.
“Cases” are clearly much a product of testing, and the product of that is unreliable.
But the amount of testing has gone up >20 fold since the first wave peak. So today’s peak of 107 is really more like 5 in old money (vs 42 peak back then)
57 million people per annum die in the world and so 1 million covid deaths represents 1.75% of world annual deaths.
The sort of effect you might get from a nasty touch of flu.
To be strictly fair, deaths this year are running at 43,885,000 so far: https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/
So we’re currently at 2.27%. It might finish up at something like 2.5%. Hardly the catastrophic global threat that was predicted.
You forgot that here the figures are with,not of coronavirus.I expect it is the same in many places.
The official figures are not accurate
Yes indeed – to give a true measure of the impact you’d need to compare to all-cause mortality globally, adjusted for population, over the last few decades. Pretty sure if you did that, it wouldn’t look like much out of the ordinary. I have struggled to find decent figures for global mortality.
2.5% you say? The UK government found the false positive rate for PCR tests to be “a median of 2.3%”. It’s obvious that a lot of ‘Covid deaths’ were really from other causes, but every gravely ill person has routinely been tested…
So the police have been told not to download the NHS t&t app.
Well, of course the virus recognizes “authority” when it sees it, doesn’t it?
Of course, its different for us naughty sceptics, isn’t it?
They would never be at work if they downloaded it, its biased towards a positive result, obviously
Yet again a two-tier system..
I asked earlier, by what process or mechanism do they become excused Compliance?
On the subject of data grabbing.
Called my doctors yesterday morning as my hip is buggered. Reception were very keen to get a mobile number (I dont usually give it out, email only) and I asked for my landline to be used. Super abrupt after that and recommended me to use their online service, as ultimately my injury will be referred to physio and you can self-refer.
Get online and surprise, you cant complete form without adding a mobile number.
Im in pain (had to call in sick to a job Ive only just gone back to), opted to complete it.
No response (though it takes 48-72 hours for a reply)
9pm last night….. text saying to download t&t app.
They will undoubtedly be on a bonus scheme for harvesting as many smart phone numbers as they can.
Can we get a lawyer onto this? Simon Dolan’s case is all about proportionality – it is in no way proportionate for the state to hold everyone’s mobile phone numbers..
Those people here who have unearthed an old mobile and SIM – let’s test and see how long it is before the authorities locate you and link you to that number… Should be easy to work out who has ‘sold’ you from now on, if it is a number you have not previously used..
it is not a secret.. the email i received from NHS Track and Trace on Saturday specifically mentioned that the email address came from my surgery. So if your surgery has a mobile number that will also be provided to T&T and you will get a text. I havent had a text and they have my number so maybe one is sent one or the other .
I have emailed the surgery to complain about this
Sorry to hear that! Bit late now, but I would recommend attempting this by calling 112 and trying to make an appointment that way – just as another potential route in.
mmm what do people without mobile phones do? No access to healthcare?
Posted last night – repost to reachthose who missed it.
Sinister words came out of elwood in parliament. He spoke of a country where some are vaccinated and therefore liberated while others are not vaccinated and still under restrictions. Super serious words.
See this tweet which encloses the transcript. https://twitter.com/frog_escalator/status/1310707812453015552?s=20
Sylvie reply:
Ellwood is on at 20.24 p.m.
https://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/f9b43e59-b2a3-4d9e-ab6c-f9e3620128aa
You can watch Swayne, Chope, Drax, Steve Baker, Redwood etc all live. Rachel Hopkins on drastic and tragic effect of delays in cancer treatments., and on the statement that guidance has been changed today so humanist weddings can now have 15 guests, like every other wedding. ( mentioned by Stefarm, who wants one, earlier today).
elwood the bastard !
Did anyone challenge Elwood?
There is something quite unpleasant about Mr Ellwood that I cannot quite put my finger on. Suspect time will tell.
He is actually connected to the spying on Trump I believe..
I also believe it was no coincidence that he just happened to be in the vicinity when the Westminster bridge attack occurred..
That was the London Bridge one, I believe, where the ‘terrorist’ sat back up..haha!
I was referring to the Westminster bridge event, the ‘car speeding across the bridge’ one, where Elwood did CPR on a policeman – interestingly while a load of proper medics stood around him doing nothing. Suspicious!
Every now and then the mask slips and they reveal their true intentions.
This is the plan,no vaccine no normal life.With vaccine you will be tracked and traced wherever you go.
This is our future unless we fight back
Ellwood is an MOD man, and he was talking about BRINGING IN THE ARMY to help with vaccinating the entire population. Dodgy!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/20/not-spy-tory-mp-tobias-ellwood-dismisses-claim-monitored-trump/
https://henryjacksonsociety.org/event/rt-hon-tobias-elwood-mp-modernising-the-british-armed-forces/
Yes that is the health passport
Another unashamed repeat from last night before tge great migration to today. 17sec video might lift spirits.
The laughing stock that is channel four news and jon snow lost his temper today. Actually did. Because shit weasel hancock was smarming his was through yet another interview. Jon Snow gave him a blast.
You can see the incident here – 2.5 million people have already.
https://twitter.com/Barcajim3/status/1310670512465555456?s=20
It’s great, but is apparently an old interview – from March!
Thanks carrie. I thought it was from this weekend. If i could I woukd delete it. Jon snow remains a laughing stock. And I joing him .
Thanks Carrie, because I was wondering how Jon Snow suddenly did a U turn.
He has been a disgrace during this.
was this on the news last night? excuse my ignorance
It deens my mistake. Looks as though it was from march, see Carrie’s comment. It came to me as though it was the past few days.
https://contact-tracing.phe.gov.uk/help/privacy-noticeGeneral information about T&T on NHS covid19 Privacy Information
How long we keep your information
If you test positive for coronavirus, the personal information collected and used by the contact-tracing service will be kept by us for 8 years.
If you are a close contact of someone who tests positive, we will keep your personal information for 5 years.
It is possible over time that you may be a close contact of more than one person who has tested positive, so we may hold more than one record about you. We keep each of these records separately for 5 years.
We keep personal information for these lengths of time because we may need to contact you to help control local outbreaks of coronavirus that may occur in future. We also need to use personal information to monitor and analyse the epidemiology of coronavirus to help prevent it from spreading. For example, we use the personal information of people who test positive and their close contacts to help monitor reinfection and re-exposure rates for the virus
They want it for that long, because that is the likely timeframe for rolling out vaccinations and chips..
Florida Govenor: Masks are no longer required anywhere in the state, and cities cannot fine people for not wearing one. Restaurants, bars and all other businesses can open at 100% full capacity. The state will not close again.
cheering news!
Another place to add to the list
Denmark now has the highest rate of cases of all the Nordic countries, but this is what their leader is saying:
“We will do everything we can to avoid a lockdown like the one we did in March, It was the right thing to do back then. It wouldn’t be the right thing to do again.’ Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen.
https://twitter.com/jhnhellstrom/status/1310848692526764039
Look at the graph!
Will be interesting to see how this one develops…
Numbers are flattening there as elsewhere in Western Europe. Only 28 ICU cases per Worldometer and very few fatalities.
As mentioned by someone 3 hours ago all the BBC can harp on about is 1 million deaths worldwide but not in context= 1.7% of all deaths, normal for flu ffs.
Hospitalisations here in Sweden are up again today, though not in huge numbers. Five of 21 regions now with more than 7 in hospital. A few more people in intensive care as well. Since this time last week there are now 19 more people in hospital in total, but remember some have also been discharged in that time.
But most regions have 7 or fewer people in hospital (in fact the majority have either 4, 2 or 1 person in hospital), none of whom are in intensive care, so the likelihood of many more deaths would currently seem to be low, given that most people do *not* end up moving from an ‘ordinary’ hospital bed into intensive care..
i.e. – normal for this time of year.
Yay!!
Good for them, all those NY gangsters can enjoy their retirement in peace.
This is important if Trump is re-elected. DeSantis is a key Trump ally.
TT, are you following developments in the USA? Did you see the Project Veritas vote fraud investigation? Sky News Australia have picked it up and it’s also on the Project Veritas website..
I want to emigrate to Florida, via Sweden, with a detour to Tanzinia.
Can I come with you? Sturgeonisms are doing my head in!
Hallelujah.
They will all be dead within a week. The crazy fools
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/boris-johnson-and-a-conflict-of-interest/
Thanks for posting that. It is interesting that the date of Tom Bower’s book publication is 15 October – corresponds with the supposed deadline set by Boris for a Brexit trade deal with the EU. Surely coincidental?
what is all this about pizza?
It’s a code word used in paedophilia..
Look up the documentary “Pedogate 2020” by Mouthy Buddha, on YouTube or BitChute if YT has yanked it.
Don’t look into because once you go full Pizza there is no going back. What will happen is you’ll see how fucked we are and it might destroy your life. That’s why i don’t give a fuck and just enjoy myself, well i’ve always been that way but the Pizza shit expose the whole game. They want you to see it. These people are no different that Aztec people who rip the hearts out of people to keep the sun rising everyday. It’s worse than horrific and anyone who says it’s nonsense is either one of them or stupid and since most people are dumb all over you can’t tell which.
yep going Full Pizza will change your world view.
Another knut-like repost two headlines in the Scotsman
Headline at the Scotsman
University students claim to have been left for days without food
University students have claimed they are being left without food for days while isolating due to the Covid-19 lockdown restrictions.
Resigster wall for more.
Also at the scotsman this!
Nicola Sturgeon says human rights issues outweighed by right to not get Covid-19
Nicola Sturgeon has said people’s human right not to be infected with a serious virus is more important than other human rights considerations.
Notice the weasel words.. ‘a serious virus’ ie ebola, covid is listed on the death cert of 17 scots under 45, 6 of ťhose female the last of whom died in May.
Article 3 is absolute in any case and that covers enforced imprisonments etc.
Which one covers banning compulsory medication?
That one, in certain cases at least.
Depression is more serious than this virus. Suicide is more serious than this virus. Good protect those poor students. Sturgeon is playing with fire here.
We’ll leave you to deal with her when the time comes, mostly peacefully of course
They are coming round Stef. I am seeing signs in and out of tge lockdown realm that there is a significant pissedoffedness occurring. Criticise them of course for being utter dim jack assess with cult indoctrination in every deluded tgought tgey have. But signs from within independence are showing that snp is no longer a party they can stomach. There’s a return swing occuring. And the slient majority that always was there are starting to become irritated by the noises holyrood is making.
She’s getting rattled…
https://twitter.com/Orryblue/status/1310573473706766338
Follow up to How long does NHS store data collected fom the App, I cannot find it now, but last night i saw some “reassuring” info that information stored in the App will delete after 21 days.
So after 21 days it will not remember any places you have been./checked into/ or phone numbers.
Hope that actually works. The servers holding this info supplied and run by Amazon.
Does anyone know, does the App work if Bluetooth is not on? I am sure it was discussed her, but cannot remember. Could not find any instructions on the website where they explain anything to remind people to switch on bluetooth.
The APP stores your data in json files on your device, if you look at the code it appears to be a timestamp (arrival, no departure), there is a hash of hex, but do not know what this does? The data does not delete after 21 days, you have to delete it. You also have to have exposure notifications turned on to use the app or turned off (as you wish). If bluetooth is turned off the app will not work. If you are using IOS all this is simple to achieve.
As far as I know the data is supposed to be held on.your phone but I don’t trust them.
Amazon will have nothing to do with whether the data is retained or not, that is entirely the responsibility of the client storing the data.
Amazon’s market share of worldwide cloud storage is about 33% . They have huge data farms all over the world.
AWS (Amazon Web Services) contributes 13% of Amazon total revenues (i.e $9 Billion of $70Billion revenue per quarter.)
Hang on – an app based on either an Apple or a Google designed system is storing its data on AWS cloud servers? That sounds wrong.
In what way?
I don’t have a smart phone so I don’t know exactly how it works but Bluetooth must be on. I assume that every time an app user passes by another person with the app there is a quick exchange of identification data between the two using the Bluetooth radio communication system.
So if for instance user ‘A’ has a busy life and perhaps in the course of a month has connected with say 100 others, and then user ‘A’ goes down with the virus, they access the app and confirm they have contracted covid19. If the data is only stored on their phone then the only way the 100 others can be notified is if user ‘A’s phone sends out a message in some form (text messages??) to all the 100 other phones. This must (presumably) use up some of their data allowance??
The proximity function depends on Bluetooth being switched on.
Other functions of the app do not rely on Bluetooth.
The Wire give a comprehensive and eminently comprehensible overview: https://www.wired.co.uk/article/nhs-covid-19-tracking-app-contact-tracing
Why would you bother? Surely no-one here will download this app.
I have no smart phone and no intention of using the app if I had, I was just wondering how it works. .
Ha ha that will be the day.Many vested parties already downloaded this information for their use and then the original data will be deleted after 21 days.
On the UK Gov data grab. I revieved two boris wet you pants text messages at the start of all this. Days apart from one another. I thought tgey were spam/junk. Apparently at least one of them was real.
This time around I have been left in peace, so far.
The Tory rebellion had better grow because there is likely to be a rather serious inquiry into all of this, and anyone who supports any further restrictions with regard to this virus will come in for some hair-raising levels of criticism.
Bearing in mind that the virus has long been, and remains, at a level when normally no-one would even know of its existence.
So anyone who wants their career to continue when this is all over had better start thinking hard.
Agree – just been listening to Julia H-B and she says that yet again some late new restrictions were announced last night, yet again not in Parliament…I believe the ones regarding singing, dancing and music?
The Tories *must* rebel over this flagrant misuse of SIs – Hancock has already been told off once by the Speaker for doing this kind of thing.
I agree and well said. Reflect on their behaviours and conduct. Some will be cast off never to resurface in politics again and we shall be grateful for that. Some with any luck will be in a cell unable to harm our world further.
Problem is all our institutions seem to have been taken over by tyrants. How do we make them accountable. Local Councils, Police, the NHS, Universities, schools, courts, unions, etc etc
All on the surface appear more then happy to implement this totalitarian state on the basis of fabrication and lies.
Some of them, especially local government, have long been peopled by the sort of inadequates who become petty tyrants at the drop of a hat. You only need to think of some of their egregious abuses of RIPA powers.
Its because all the senior local government Officers came from the polytechnics in the late 80s
No government has ever launched an enquiry that it doesn’t know the result of.
It won’t be this government. More likely an international tribunal.
I’m worried as to what went on at yesterday’s meeting with the Chief Whip…
What happened?
I’ve told my useless muppet of an MP that.
I’m not sure he can actually read, though.
Chaired by Mrs Mugabe
oops, Your previous comment
? You have heard of the term “Smoke and Mirrors”, MP’s are experts on this.
I sincerely hope you’re right, but…
We certainly should be watching who votes which way tomorrow, and all MPs should know their vote will be noticed and remembered.
Are surgical masks actually illegal in normal settings?
I read that surgical masks worn properly (which no one does), are meant for surgical theatres where the air is controlled. When worn elsewhere, in public, the air is not controlled and within 60 seconds the wearer is exposed to levels of CO2 which breach limits set for health and safety in the workplace.
Are there any experts here who can inform me?
I’m not an expert, but another interesting fact about operating theatres:
“Special air handlers filter the air and maintain a slightly elevated pressure”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_theater
This may address the point that pro maskers make that theatre staff work with masks and don’t suffer from hypoxia.
I don’t think an elevated pressure has anything to do with helping people breath with masks on. More likely that’s just to help keep contamination out.
Probaby similar to how air coolant systems work to control dust with either negative or positive pressure.
However, surgical masks and surgaries are probably designed with a common set of technical requirements in mind and it’s a non-sequitor to assume that surgical masks will have the same behaviour outside of this environment than within.
The general public are miss using this equipment in every possible way so it does seem quite likely it will be doing more harm then good.
And in Surgery they don’t wear masks 8-10 hours at a time day after day unlike the poor shopworkers.
Great piece by a surgeon on masks
A classic fallacious argument: “If masks don’t work, then why do surgeons wear them?”
Lufthansa is actually saying that it will not accept people wearing the wrong sort of masks.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CFtoZWZHFbo/?hl=en
Is this legal?
Only when operating the aircraft ovens.
weekly deaths stats out
939 Deaths where the underlying cause was respiratory disease
139 Deaths where COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate
where’s the pandemic I have given up my freedoms for?
139 in a week. Cancer is 450 a DAY.
A fact that needs to be broadcast widely…
500 a day this time next year. They closed the local oncology even though it was never used for ITU, still barely functioning now.
tragic story on Talk Radio yesterday afternoon . A lady with a rare and fatal liver cancer had just started an experimental treatment in February via NHS and it was cancelled in March. She is now having the treatment privately via crowdfunding.
Also covered in newspapers. This is the gofundme which explains
Now – here’s the secret (which our tribe of crap journalists won’t tell) – the term ‘pandemic’ doesn’t mean ‘serious’. It now just means ‘widespread’ – like the common cold.
Good to see the MSM news actually posing some questions and being a bits sceptical last night and heartening to see all the anti-nattarive comments in the Daily Fail.
Heartening to see clips of MPs standing up with a bit of backbone for once, amazing how they grow a pair when their jobs are at risk.
If, and it’s a big if (to quote our CSA), you can convince them they will lose their seat, they will turn on a sixpence, no matter how vehement they’ve been in the past.
Really? This long from a general election?
Indeed – but some might clock that they will at some time be faced with the question :
“And what did you do in the War ….?”
2 minute of graphtastic action from across europe. Sent in to 10 Downing street by someone:
” I compiled the data from Worldometers on 16 European countries in regards to #COVID19 positive cases and how this translates to deaths. The pattern is consistent throughout. Be informed. Make informed opinions & decisions. https://t.co/semwTe1Mva
Sky Austrailia then scratch their heads about the exact same problem the tweet above does. Just what is going on with Europes seconds wave, it is very strange…
https://youtu.be/EJmni3LVK3k
Mutated virus from the looks of it.
Yep. A combination of a casedemic, and a virus that has lost nearly all of its pathogenicity.
My personal ‘worst case scenario’ is that flu and pneumonia deaths will be 20 times Covid deaths this Winter.
Though that’s not a prediction or an estimate or a projection….
That’s a good presentation – even given the dubious data involved in Worldometer figures. The aggregation is good enough to shrink the errors and show the pattern.
Given all that we know about the ‘casedemic’ pattern and the profound problems of PCR testing, no decent ‘scientist’ could fail to notice what is going on here before shouting ‘FIRE!’
It would be good for a change to see at least a few journalists doing a Jon Snow on the myth-makers.I don’t reckon it would be difficult to reduce the wankers to jelly as he did to Handoncock.
Just reading your account listening to him makes me revulse. Who the fuck is that guy to tell me to do anything.
Choose to do the right action or else the bovva boys will be round.
Why does he not listen to me when I tell him what to choose.
Stupidity is the most powerful force on this planet. I’m at the whims and wants of utter morons. Religious, statist, conservative, socialist, criminal, science, fat, consumer, keynesian, sport, vegan, conspiracy, morons etc the list is longer than a list of names of everyone who’s died in history to prop up Royalty.
There is no hope, it’s all over. Join the Borg, sign in, log on and await your instructions, in the meantime report any borgs you see with malware so we can reprogram their operating system until they accept that they must do what they are told by others for the good of everyone. You’d think the religious would out on the streets declaring they are gods children and god gave them free thought and free will and how dare anyone tell them how to live but since they’re morons they’re not. What about the conservative so called business people? None of them have the slightest clue and are just sellers of shite we don’t need. Not a peep from these fuckers.
Games a bogey. Still at least i’ve posted some pish on the internet, shame i don’t have a graph, graphs make you look way cool.
Agreed about the business people but the champions of the workers are just as bad.
On the Today Programme R4 a week or so ago they were discussing the announcement of 700,000 more redundancies in August. Guests were someone from the TUC and another from finance (Blackwalls ?).
Bound to give the government a good kicking from each point of view but no both basically said
“Because Covid”.
Today johnsons tawdry crew announce a scheme to retrain those they have rendered unemployed for new jobs. There no new fucking jobs, that’s why they are sacking people the twats.
New jobs: Covid Marshals
The organisation Christian Concern are fighting a number of court cases regarding our freedoms but like Simon Dolan it is hard to get the cases heard.
Well said. People tell themselves tales go make them feel better. When such impressions or so called moral principles are put to the test, they just retreat and change the narrative.
I never quite understand why there is universal support from left and right wing media that Bill Gates is beyond criticism – and anyone who remotely questions his or his Foundation’s ethics and business practices is attacked as a ‘conspiracy theorist’. I can only assume MSM journalists are controlled opposition.
Brendan O’Neil is the editor of Spiked but clearly seems to want it to be only a slightly edgier version of MSM – OffGuardian is much more authentic and uncontrolled.
Yes, especially as he is on camera saying he wants to change our DNA… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksEVaO806Oo&feature=youtu.be
More from the Daily Telegraph:
Coronavirus deaths hit one million – how many more lives will it claim?
Will a second wave be deadlier than the first, or will a vaccine soon stem the tide? Three experts give their view
And what is their view? “Be afraid, be very afraid”.
Yuk.
Hong Kong Flu killed million people at a conservative guess between 1968-70. No masks, no gel, I got it and lived with 5 members of my family aged 11 to 70. Not one of them got it. No great hospital influxes either. Explain that.
Exactly.
That’s what is so irritating (leaving aside motivations) about the highly paid crap ‘scientists’ who spout bilge.
They ignore simple reality – as is shown by that smple demolition of the ‘exponential growth’ graph. I mean – you had to be a total twat to give that much credibility amongst all the possibilities.
… and even if the curve rose to April heights – so what? The sky didn’t fall in then sifficiently to warrant the birth of a police state.
As I’ve often posted – I reckon that, in three quarters of a century, I have lived through actual epidemics (this wasn’t one in strict definitional terms of 40 per 10000 symptomatic infections in the community), and about two dozen years of worse mortality.
Like you, I copped the ‘flu virus in ’68 – and the even worse one ten years earlier. I wouldn’t want anyone to get a bad dose of such a virus – but both those years put Covid-19 into the shade in terms of seriousness, even allowing for the bad cases.
Above all – as one of the genuinely ‘vulnerable’, I don’t want some irritating short-trousered 12-year old f.er like Handoncock telling me what to do. It’s what I use my brain for.
A person from WHO told BBC R4 the figure was ‘mindblowing’, they noted the high death toll in Peru without mentioning that it had had the strictest lockdown in the world.
“Mindblowing”. Like the seasonal flu every year for decades on end. Fucking idiot.
Mindblowing? that represents 1.75% of annual world wide deaths, if that statistic blows his mind makes you wonder what the WHO is doing and who it employs?
That article, quite rightly got duly lambasted by most commentators.
I can’t get my breath at the amount of bad science that creeps onto the airwaves.
I mean – you don’t need a super-computer and advanced inferential statistics to understand that such alarmism is bollocks – just a desktop, access to data, and a spreadsheet.
“Experts” like Devi Shridar
Latest ONS stats….9523 deaths in England and Wales….139 with covid of which 79 were over 80 and arguably some would have underlying issues.
1.4% of the total.
The last high week (if you can call it that) was 532 in the week ending 03 July.
What a farce.
The English NHS stats also hardly justify Hancock;’s actions. Over the last 7 days the number of Covid patients rose by 49.3% someway short of the doubling he predicted.
Also for the last 7 days for which full data is available we admitted 1362 Covid patients but the total cases only rose by 469, there were 125 deaths which leaves 768 unaccounted for? I can only assume that this figure represents the number of discharges?
In which case it indicates people are going into hospital, getting better and coming out again, which is sort of what they invented hospital for! It certainly looks like neither hospital or death data justifies any of the lockdown actions.
We now seem to be locked in an academic numbers game that is destroying people’s lives
I think quite a few people are contracting Covid in hospital while there for other reasons, which further confuses the matter. But your point is totally sound.
The UK. has always been the only country to keep no statistics of Covid recoveries.
I wonder now if that is because they are under the control of Bill G who wants to push his vaccines…?
Trouble is that even these figures are shot through with problems of definition.
Can we just stick a pin in this argument that lockdown saves lives. Even if lockdown works it doesn’t save a single life it just briefly extends the lives of the very sick and the very old. The obscenity is that the extra bit of life they gain has to be lived in misery. The cost is that everyone else has to live in misery too.
Well, that’s not really correct. Having a pre-existing health condition is not the same as being “very sick”. It’s hard to estimate, but Covid has probably deprived a good proportion of its victims of years of good quality life.
No. As the vast majority of victims died with Covid and not of Covid we can reasonably assume that most were likely to die soon anyway from their other conditions. I’d call that very sick. Secondly, as the average deaths dropped below the 5 year average after the initial peak we can also assume many of those who died in the peak could have been expected to die in the following months anyway. As you say, hard to estimate, but mine makes more sense looking at the data. Incidentally, how many years of life gained justifies the misery lockdown has caused in your opinion?
But that’s your assumption, and the question is, is it justified by the data?
Quite a different question. But one that cannot even be asked until we have a clear view of the numbers.
Detailed stats will take time. So what’s your point?
We have enough information many times over to know that the lockdown was a terrible decision.
And the extension of those lives is outweighed by the cost to others, see e.g. LSE’s very early cost benefit analysis in terms of not QALYs but WELLBYs. Centre for Economic Performance Occasional Paper 49 – when they were still working on Ferguson’s possible 125K deaths!
That would be the report that said, referring to the cost of Covid deaths
Approximately half the deaths were in care homes or Nursing homes.
I believe the average time resident in the above, prior to death, is under two years.
That report should be completely discounted as soon as statements like this are made:-
“If the lockdown ends on 1May in the manner described earlier, the UK would experience some 150,000 deaths from COVID-19, mostly in a second wave occurring before a regime of testing and tracing can be put in place.15By contrast if the lockdown ends1 September and there isa robust regime of testing and tracing(as was observed in South Korea16), the number of subsequent deaths will be at most 5,000.”
Garbage in, garbage out…
It is a reasonable assumption based on the data we have and the average age of death. Bearing in mind that we destroyed peoples lives based on a “reasonable” worst case scenario. That was full of assumptions.
When we get a clear view of the numbers? We have plenty of numbers and almost all of them suggest lockdown is a failed policy, or are you waiting for some magical number that will appear in 5 years to prove Ferguson was right?
I’m not defending, or attacking, any paticular policy, lockdown or otherwise. I’m discussing whether it is true that not dying of Covid “briefly extends the lives of the very sick and the very old”. What are the numbers here?
One possible source is DHSC/ONS/GAD/HO: Direct and indirect impacts of COVID-19 on excess deaths and morbidity, 15 July 2020 which estimates about 10 QALY lost for each Covid death, based on a study of the health status of the victims.
Richard I’ll do you the respect of trying to get through that 188 page paper but as it is full of models and scenarios and one of it’s key findings is that they estimate that mitigation will have saved 1.5m lives by March 2021 (that’s right, 1.5million) my confidence in it’s credibility isn’t great.
“ is it justified by the data?”
Of course it is – it’s hardly a revelation.
Then can you point to the data that supports the claim that people who dies of Covid had on average only a very short life expectancy at the time they caught the disease?
Yes : just look at the age of the group and compare it with the average life span.
That’s a fallacy, as I explain elsewhere in this thread. If you’re 82, you have a further life expectancy of 8 or 9 years.
‘But that’s your assumption, and the question is, is it justified by the data?’
Eh, yeah. When a vast majority of the people who died with Covid are a couple of years beyond the average life expectancy and living in care homes, then it is pretty obvious.
It’s obviously fallacious. The fallacy is in ignoring those people who through bad luck or poor health don’t make it to 82. If you do make it to 82, you’re likely to be healthier than the average and hence be in a group with a longer life expectancy, not all of which has passed.
If you’re 82, then you have a further life expectancy of 8 years or so, mainly with good quality of life.
The average length of stay in a care home is 20 months and people do not get discharged from them – they die there.
People in care homes are unable to live independently, otherwise they would still be in their own homes. This may be because they are physically or (possibly more likely) mentally frail, with dementia or similar. People do not live in care homes for 8 years!
… and not everyone aged 82 is in a care home.
Half the deaths in Scotland were in care homes. It has been a while since I looked, it was a smaller, but still large, proportion in England too. Your reply to me completely ignored that.
Maybe because I’m not a scientist I don’t understand,19,000 of 39,000 care home deaths is almost half.
MOST is on very shaky ground as a statement
Except those who died overwhelmingly had other diseases. Why are you wasting time on this rubbish?
No, they had other conditions, from which they might otherwise have recovered, or which might have been otherwise have been managed to provide a satisfactory quality of life. The statics have been worked out in excruciating detail in the report I’ve already alluded to, and the implication that Covid “overwhelmingly” cur a short period off the lives of people already gravely ill is simply false.
A good question. I take it that the “rubbish” you refer to is the notion, assiduously peddled on this site among others, that the lives lost to Covid were somehow not worthy of consideration. I regard that as pernicious rubbish, and think it’s worth a little time trying to counter it.
Yes, conditional survival probability comes in to play a bit.
But if you’re in a care home or nursing home you do not have a life expectancy of 8 years.
And if you’re frightened to venture out of the front door of your house, you do not have a good quality of life.
Quite correct, it’s more like 1-2 years in that case. But 85% of 82 year olds are not in care homes.
Right…
So the focus should be on providing elders in the community with accurate and measured information, so that they can make informed decisions about personal risk, and accordingly decide for themselves how they wish to live their lives.
And instead, all that is received is an unrelenting fear message.
Of course I support providing people with accurate and measured information. Indeed, that’s what I’ve been trying to to in this very discussion.
Not correct. According to ONS up to 12 June
So, most of the 39,101 Covid deaths up to that date did not occur in care homes.
Over 70% of deaths in Sweden have been of people either in care homes or receiving council care in their own homes..
You mean only about 50% of the Covid deaths did occur in care homes. I would say that is quite a fair bit.
… and I would say that it is not “a vast majority” as originally claimed.
The authoritarian Covid regulations have deprived the majority of healthy people quality of life and turned a nation of a Brits into a nation of hysterical hypochondriacs.
And if you want to make that argument, which I’m saying nothing about here, then it would be more powerful to make it on the basis of accurate information.
The people I feel most sorry for are people who have compromised immune systems just ‘at the wrong time’… Example from here was a younger man who had had a transplant and then got CV19 (outside of hospital) and died.. The transplant had gone well and in any other circumstances he would have likely survived and had a good quality of life for a number of years..
or possibly, with such a pre-existing condition that makes them so vulnerable to covid, delayed a death that would likely have occurred during the next winter flu outbreak.
Possibly. Not everyone is the same.
That’s why we look at aggregate data.
As in the report DHSC/ONS/GAD/HO: Direct and indirect impacts of COVID-19 on excess deaths and morbidity which I have referred to a couple of times already.
Sorry- but that’s ‘total bollocks’, to use the appropriate scientific term.
What is the case is that the policy of discharge of infected persons from hospital hastened the concentration of co-morbid deaths. But that doesn’t, by any stretch of the imagination equate to ‘years of good quality life’.
What have you been smoking to induce fantasies like that?
Then we have some limited evidence form autopsies
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2667(20)30180-8/fulltext
It’s completely indefensible now to claim the number of people marked as CV-19 death is the true number. By a long long way. Its criminality.
I’ll address this, although it’s more than it deserves. (1) is an assertion. (2) Do you happen to know what the life expectancy of an 82-year old is? It’s another 8 years for a man and 9 years for a woman. So no. (3) ONS worked quite hard on that. (4) cannot be determined yet.
I’ll refer again to DHSC/ONS/GAD/HO: Direct and indirect impacts of COVID-19 on excess deaths and morbidity, 15 July 2020 (September update)
You’re really in La La land. (1) is no assertion – it is a well known feature of the past two years’ mortality (aka ‘the bleedin’ obvious’). Notably wore people survived 2018/19 than average. In 2020 many will be older and sicker on average.
Thus we end up with the two year mortality being average, as the years balance each other.
(2) Your assertion has no basis in reality.
(3) ONS cannot plait fog. I’ve used only ONS data, but that data is screwed (and skewed) right at the source by the arbitrary revision of death registration, the guess work, and the ‘fell under a bus with the virus’ syndrome that the CEBM picked up.
(4) It’s already determined. I’ve done it. The 2019/20 winter-spring infection season (including the peak) – as I’ve posted elsewhere – resulted in mortality at the 75th centile of the preceding quarter century.
I don’t know what you mean by “assertion”, then. Your statement seemed to be a statement about the real world, but perhaps it was something else.
(2), here is the statement that “the life expectancy of an 82-year old is […] another 8 years for a man and 9 years for a woman”. Again, that’s from ONS data. Why do you think it has no basis?
Confusing PHE figures, rightly criticised, with ONS figures.
I think you may have made a similar remark before. If so, it was the worst for 20 years, the years which were worse having been the years from 1993 to 1999.
Any meaningful calculation of life years lost (when you factor in undiagnosed/untreated cancer, heart disease, suicides, long-term hastened mortality due to unemployment and poverty etc etc.) would see the disproportionate damage from the response, not the virus.
If the average age of a Covid fatality is in the mid -eighties and the mean age from all-cause mortality is the same age, then what are we doing?
As far as care homes are concerned, we are simply ensuring that the last year of life is one spent in wretched isolation from everybody including family.
There should be some kind of guardian ad litem appointed for each and every care home, so as to ensure that the quality of life of every single individual is maintained as far as is humanly possible.
And then you really should do a quality-adjusted life year calculation.
NICE uses QALY’s to measure cost / benefit of all new approved drugs before recommending whether or not the NHS should fund.
Any vaccine candidate would surely fail the test. Most certainly in the case of all children. Children are at no risk from this virus.
I’ll refer yet again to DHSC/ONS/GAD/HO: Direct and indirect impacts of COVID-19 on excess deaths and morbidity, 15 July 2020 (September update) which attempts to do just what you want.
It is the World Death Organisation, and will not rest until every human being on the planet is wearing a mask 24/7. Then they will move in for the kill with their dodgy vaccine. That Johnson has now made the UK the top state donor to this mob of thugs and criminals tells me the UK is top of the list for complete annihilation.
I’m wondering if killing a lot of the UK population is how he is going to manage all this ‘rewilding’ that he goes on about, where 30% of the country will be open green spaces?
Zoonotic transmission, it will be THE NEW THING. Very scary.
I’m wild now. And dangerous. And I bite.
Let Wancock try to manage me.
It’s part of a broad pattern in British foreign policy. When Trump won, the UK became a sort of base in exile for the continuity Clintonites. Keeping the seat warm until Jan 2021. What happens to the planning of our mandarins if Trump wins again I don’t know. Probably just more of the same.
Sums this cowardly twat up
If I was the guy playing next to him I know where that elbow would be going.
And another thought, has the handbag been photoshopped out of the picture?
at least he is keeping his arms in so that he cannot give away a penalty for accidental handball under the stupid interpretation of the laws that FIFA make the refs follow
Or is he pretending he is a hamster? Surely the NHS needs guinea pigs
Ah, so Toby’s still part of the “it’s all incompetence” camp?
I’d say the most far-fetched theory to believe in is that every single government in the entire world, with the exception of one or two, does not know what a flu is.
Do you think it matters, right now, what the reasons are?
I am more in the cowardice and dishonesty rather than conspiracy camp, but not dogmatically so
I don’t think it’s that implausible that politicians in multiple countries, faced by the same threat, did similar things. They copied eachother, felt peer pressure, and mainly suffer from the same weaknesses our leaders do – vanity, love of power etc.
Incompetence, cowardice and dishonesty for me.
Full face saving mode now though – which could end up doing more damage the the original decisions.
Whether is was a conspiracy or not at the start is unimportant.It is undeniable that different groups are pushing their agendas on the back of this and that is the reason we are still in semi lockdown with no end in sight
Given that Boris is openly referencing Bill G in speeches and now replying positively to his tweets, questions need to be asked as to how much he is controlling the UK government..
And when they get to these meetings at Davos and Bilderberg what do you imagine they are discussing?
Of course it matters if only to try to plan for what may becoming next.
Global reset if you listen to Prince Charles, amongst others..
Yes thought that back in March.
It does matter, because if we are correct that this is being used to implement greater surveillance and control over financial resources, then we have to know. If this is something that goes beyond national government, it is fruitless to petition national government to stop it; keep voting and voting and voting while the general tenor of daily life moves inexorably towards the end devised by these supra-national bodies.
Regardless, the fact anyone can think this is just incompetence at this stage blows my mind. Nicola Stalin giving it ‘the human right not to get Covid trumps all other human rights’ is apt: do you really think she is that stupid and incompetent to believe that a disease which only afflicts the old and already frail necessitates such a response? Anyway, I think the ‘they are stupid and scared’ view says more about the holder than about the object of such a position.
totally agree with you
Of course it matters, because it’s going to lead to more.
Read these headlines and tell me they’re not chilling:
“Prince Charles to launch ‘Great Reset’ project to rebuild planet in wake of coronavirus”
“The pandemic represents a rare but narrow window of opportunity to reflect, reimagine, and reset our world” – Professor Klaus Schwab, Founder and Executive Chairman, World Economic Forum.”
“The Great Reset is here, like it or not”
“Now is the time for a ‘great reset’ of capitalism | World Economic Forum”
They are literally and openly saying what they’re going to do and people are still clinging onto “incompetence” as the reason for this.
Look, if this all stopped in say, July, I could take incompetence as the reason for why it happened. A virus that China blew out of all proportion came over here, every government in the world collectively pooed their pants, and some bad decisions were made. But then it could have been ended. The virus was over. Deaths were non-existent. They could have all happily patted themselves on the back, said “the lockdown’s worked! it’s all over!” but what did they do instead? They amp it up further. We’re moving further and further into draconian measures because of.. infections. Not even deaths, because they cleverly moved the goalposts away from that when there weren’t any anymore. Not even hospitalisations, because nobody is being hospitalised anymore. Hell, not even illnesses, because an “infection” doesn’t even mean that they know they’ve had it. It’s infections they’re now using and they’re actively manufacturing them.
Why as a government would you actively manufacture a panic over a virus when it’s to all intents and purposes finished? Why as a government would you keep it going when you’ve had numerous chances to get out and still appear like you’ve done the right thing? And why is it the same for every government in the world?
I take your point but as some countries fully open up and ditch their restrictions including any notion of what you state, as we are seeing in the news now, this point of view would get weaker. Surely the more countries that open the more pressure will be put on us to follow?
Which countries are they? I don’t watch the news so just searched for “restrictions” on Google news and the top results were about the UK, the Netherlands, France and Spain introducing stricter measures, and Italy, Greece, Poland and Sweden facing quarantine restrictions.
I’m the same but I have seen Denmark are ditching restrictions and Florida is about to open up fully I see. I can imagine that if this is incompetence then more will follow as financial pressure grows on them to try and rescue themselves. If you are correct, how would these countries be explained?
I flip-flop every day from your point of view to incompetence. I can’t seem to settle on a theory.
Denmark is following the same script from what I can find, “Coronavirus in Denmark: Increasingly more infections, restrictions and tests”. They’re also on the travel quarantine list for here. I can’t find anything about them removing restrictions, though it could be buried away and I can’t find it with a quick search.
I’m just reading about Florida “reopening”, so they’re lifting restrictions. However, how many times have we seen restrictions lifted and then put back in place? It’s happened to us how many times now? Funnily enough, if you go back to June 2020, here’s a headline: “Florida reports 1,758 new COVID-19 cases as state enters second week of phase 2 reopening”.
Keep in mind that this isn’t going to be a blanket “you all must do exactly the same thing” type of decree. There’s always going to be leeway. The end plan is the same, how they get there can differ.
If you explain what your view is in regards to there being a plan or not or it being incompetence or not I can try and explain further.
Florida will never go back to lockdowns, while Ron De Santis is Governor.
Read his tweets and retweets:-
https://twitter.com/govrondesantis?lang=en
Georgia was one of the first States to “open again”, and in urban areas it did take quite a hit in spring. They have stayed open.
There are still restrictions in place in certain places, but basically one can live “normal” there.
I think in the short term it only matters if it changes what we do to fight it. My view is that fickle politicians will follow public opinion, and principled ones will follow their conscience, so we work on both fronts.
Let’s say you are 100% correct in what you say – what would your approach be?
Yes, I see what you’re saying. However, this is going to be a very long term thing. I also find that most people now see through what’s going on, they just don’t understand why. So the question I receive most when I discuss this with people is “why are they doing this?” and saying “oh, it’s incompetence” isn’t just wrong, it’s misleading and makes zero sense when you start thinking further about it. My main issue is with the sentiment of the “oh, I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but” type of crowd. If you said to someone this time last year “in a year’s time we will be put under varying levels of restrictions and subject to nationwide lockdowns because of a flu” they would have laughed at you and called you a conspiracy theorist.
What would my approach be in what sense, if I was part of the government or if I ran this website?
Thanks
It may be a long term thing
In the short term I would favour whatever argument works for a given audience – that may be conspiracy, incompetence or neither
My question regarding approach was really just what you think us sceptics should be doing to turn the tide
Whatever our differences on this subject, think we should stay as united as possible – too important not to
Definitely, I agree with staying united, that’s why the “conspiracy theory” talk puts me off. Even just agreeing with the general message of this site makes us all conspiracy theorists in the media and the government’s eyes, so I don’t know why people would denigrate others regarding so called conspiracy theories.
At this stage I would probably just present the facts as they are and let people make up their minds. I certainly wouldn’t point towards incompetence and to the completely uninformed I wouldn’t start with talking about The Great Reset or anything like that either. It’s too much information to process.
For the brainwashed I’d start very slowly because psychologically when you’re bombarded with an opinion you don’t agree with, you tend to push back against it even more. These people may never be turned so I wouldn’t spend too much time worrying about it. For the initially sceptical I’d confirm their sceptical thoughts. Now when it comes to the sceptic who wants to know why it’s happening, this is where I can’t see any way to avoid talking about a “conspiracy”, so up until this stage you can avoid going that way, but at this point you have to make a decision.
One thing I’d highly recommend is to make sure you don’t argue by their rules. By this I mean never argue with “oh, there hasn’t been much of a rise in infections”, because when they manufacture a rise in infections they can argue back “look, there has been a rise in infections!” Always start your argument and persuasion with the caveat that this is no more than a mild flu, and often up to 50,000 people can die of flu in the UK and god knows how many more can be infected. Once you’ve laid that down, there’s not much more they can logically argue back with.
“We need to save just one life!”
“We’ve never done that for the flu, and we’ve had flu’s that have been worse than this.”
“We need to lockdown until it’s over!”
“It’s a flu, we have no need to lockdown or infringe on our rights for a flu. We’ve never done it before.”
“But my neighbour’s dog’s friend’s Grandaughter’s science teacher got it and died, you’re so heartless!”
“That’s terrible, but worldwide 6 times more people have died of cancer this year than coronavirus, what about those people? If their treatment hadn’t been disrupted for a flu, they might have lived.”
I agree it’s best to try not to chuck around “conspiracy theorist” as a label. Not helpful.
Also agree that we must refuse to argue by their rules. The core case is that trying to save lives at all costs is futile and immoral and we have never done it, ever, and the virus is simply nothing exceptional.
But they aren’t all doing the same thing, now. The Germans, Danes, Fins and Norwegians have quietly got on copying the Swedes. The French have ruled out another lockdown and seem to have made the decision that they are going to live with the disease in a Swedish way. There just isn’t the worldwide consensus anymore.
“Germany ‘could face 19,200 infections a day’, warns Merkel.
But the leaked comments suggested she is set to press for new restrictions on daily life in Germany.”
“Denmark Warns of New Wave of Covid Restrictions as Cases Spike”
“The Finnish government is considering bringing in new restrictions on bars and restaurants because of the continued spread of coronavirus.”
“As Oslo (Norway) introduces mandatory face mask use on congested public transport and other measures to slow the spread of coronavirus, health minister Bent Høie has asked municipalities near the capital to follow suit.”
“Sweden plans for local lockdowns in strategy shift
Dr Anders Tegnell has now said that Sweden may implement localised lockdowns, but only for a maximum of two or three weeks”
“Record infections in France as restrictions spark outcry
France reported a new record for daily coronavirus infections on Thursday a day after the government announced new restrictions.”
These are all from articles over the past few days.
This is a handy site but it’s just noise at the end of the day isn’t it? I haven’t looked at MSM since cancelling my Telegraph subscription a while ago and just ignore the links to any of them in the round up on here, as it’s just more hot air and no action.
Aside from Simon Dolan and KBF all i’m seeing is a load of Peacocks and Prima Donna’s doing FA.
“This is a handy site but it’s just noise at the end of the day isn’t it?”
Noise is better than silence.
Well, you’re here, posting, so you must in some way find it helpful
The Brendan O’Neill piece had me spitting feathers. He’s yet another one, sat on his wee podium, saying it’s all a load of bollocks but doing absolutely nothing about the situation. He then has the cheek to berate Piers Corbyn and Co for actually organising some kind of protest movement and lumps all attendees in with the conspiracy crowd? Spiked can go take a hike, gonna cancel my monthly payment, I ain’t got time for the word salad brigade any more, they turn my stomach.
It’s a bit much when people like Brendan O’Neill and Peter Hitchens complaining about the protestors and organisers all being conspiracy theorists. Neither have made any effort to organise anything more ‘mainstream’. The MSM is controlled by the establishment and MP’s haven’t been standing up against the draconian measures. Human rights and Civil liberties organisations only support Labour party and Far left causes and not a single one has condemned the beating of peaceful protestors. Ordinary people have absolutely no voice so their only option is to take to the streets.
It was pretty clear that the Trafalgar Square protests contained a wide variety of people.
I don’t know much about O’Neill but Hitchens has been tireless in using his platform in the Mail on Sunday, on Twitter and in the media to speak against what is happening, making the argument again and again to whoever will listen.
Hitchens is an ally, 100%. He’s entitled to his view that pushing conspiracy theories does more to harm than to help the cause, and that the most prominent speakers in that “wing” are too easy to attack. I think he is right – but that does not mean I do not respect Corbyn and others for standing up for what they believe in, nor does it mean I think they are definitely wrong.
I haven’t seen Hitchens say that “all” protestors are conspiracy theorists.
“Word salad brigade” is perfect. Piers Corbyn has more or less single-handedly created the only visible public opposition to the government. His first protest in Hyde Park back in April had no more than 100 attendees, now he’s getting many thousands in Trafalgar Square. This is a remarkable achievement against the backdrop of a unanimously hostile public, media and state. The government are so cowardly they invented a new law overnight to try and stop him.
Yes, Piers Corbyn and a few other brave people who have faced constant media ridicule and police harassment have provided the only real opposition – it’s a sad state of affairs. Completely unreported (including on this site, why?) some of these people are having dawn raids by the police and their computers and phones seized. We really do live in a fascist police state and no one seems too gives a damn.
Agree. BO’N is saying that anyone that challenges the Governments agenda (that is bankrolled by other parties) are conspiracy theorists. Lovely infighting and calling people names will dilute the challenge to lockdown.
The German Doctor that was arrested this weekend challenges this bumbling narrative as well. His Two questions
1.Who’s has the power to organise this in an orchestrated international way?
2. Who get to profit out of this?
https://acu2020.org
Number of second wave deaths ‘nothing like’ that of first, professor tells Julia Hartley-Brewer
Geneticist and health data scientist Professor Anthony Brookes explains why he is “confident” that the deaths caused by a second wave of coronavirus will be “nothing like the amount of deaths we had in the first wave”.
So the dust settles. We overcome this current panworld lunacy. We return to our normals. But as we do a voice of, say, privy council elwood backed by, say, knight of garter charles point out to the house – we got away with it this time, but our response has been crippling, we cannot afford to live life without viral protective measures in them. We must now as a global society be always ready for the next virus they may say. You are either with us or against us.
20 years of viral skirmishes here and there. A viral outbreak, say, in the Sahel to keep the EU military boots on the ground in Africa lending a threat across the globe for as many years as they choose, say, 20 or so. Public attention deminishing, no problem, just pop in a minor viral incident here and there. A bio terror incident or a poxed-up bat, it makes no odds to the public grabbing attention.
Replace islamic terrorism with virus and you can imagine a future not so far fetched. Long haul thinking for them, we must be ready to push trough our eventual victory to cutting out the malignancy engendered by the actors we see before us and their handlers.
We need to pass laws that prevent this happening again.
For debate – an acceptance of captital punishment for a certain level of treasonous wrong doing in, say, the cabinet. No acceptance, no cabinate position. Intended as a means of having them act straight with personal accountabilty tied to their job.
Remember they intend to depopulate the world via vaccination, according to Bill Gates… that needs to be stopped NOW.
Reinstating the death penalty for treason, and then giving the power to pass this sentence to both national and international tribunals, must be a step that is worth seriously considering. For the amount of death and destruction that has been and will be caused, execution is actually a light sentence.
As much as I’m not in favour of capital punishment this is a concession for me. Politicians must never again be allowed to play Russian roulette with people’s lives and if it means reinstating what is akin to the Code of Hammurabi as a deterrent, so be it…
Johnson said as much in his speech to the UN.They will never give up the control they have established
He qualified the ‘turning the screw’ by adding that it would be better if we changed our behaviour, All Of Us, leaving the turning screw hanging like a noose.
Yes ‘salivating’ is very apt, he was clearly enjoying his own importance.
Child suspended in Ireland for not wearing a mask.
This should be a prize exhibit in the Covid Museum of Shame. Next to it should be a picture of its authors rotting away in their prison cells.
With masks stapled to their faces. They can be fed through a drip, so no need for their faces ever to be exposed again.
Yes, think Guantanamo Bay and we are approaching the levels of justice these sadistic bastards deserve.
No, make it a live video feed to their cells, with a button you can press to remotely administer them a paniful electric shock. Musems like interactive exhibits thesedays.
Looks like the school is acting unlawfully. The key exemption from wearing a face covering is (according to HSE) : “Cannot wear a face covering because of a physical or mental illness or a disability, or because it would cause you severe distress”.
HSE do not stipulate the a medical certificate is required. In fact, I believe that GPs have been instructed NOT to issue such certificates.
Complete catch22 situation.
this is Irish Republic.. So different regulations and probably different definitions of exemptions
The OP did reference the “HSE” which is the (Irish) Health Service Executive.
Did not think the department of education had mandated masks in schools? Think the school is trying it on and hoping to threaten the family into submission.. Hope this letter has been sent to UsForThem… Put this on Twitter too maybe?
It’s the Irish Republic and was posted on twitter
Thought I’d post a poem I wrote at the beginning of July.
Might have to update it soon as there are so many new restrictions since I wrote it!
The New Abnormal – A Poem for 2020
Stay at home
Close your mind
Listen to us
We are kind
Stay at home
Watch the telly
Eat some pizza
Rub your belly
If you’re out
Wear a mask
If you don’t
People might ask
At the shops
Pay by card
Not with cash
That’s been barred
On a bus
Cover your face
Two metres apart
Know your place
In a pub
Stay in lane
Order by app
Leave your name
At the bank
Wait in line
One metre plus
You’ll be fine
Stay at home
Close your mind
Listen to us
We are kind
That’s good that.
Thank you.
An important point in the London Calling podcast. Delingpole noted the gratuitously provocative and aggressive actions of the police against these demonstrators. Toby pointed out the contrast in actions by the police, in genuflecting to unsocially distanced, aggressively anti-police BLM mobs but baton charging peaceful antilockdown protesters that were notably supportive of the police, and asked what’s going on. Delingpole (4:42):
“This is coming from high up. High up the chain. The story I heard – this is a friend with contacts in the police, he says a source close to the police told me today that the Territorial Support Group … were ordered to clear the square and do so robustly. And the aggression was all on the police’s part.”
Toby: “Who gave the order, do you think?”
The suggestion is that the orders must have come from either Sadiq Khan or Priti Patel.
We need to know who gave this nod to thuggery, so that they can be treated appropriately. Inquiries are always difficult to pursue into this kind of “nod and wink” instruction, but pressure should be put on to get one initiated and pushed as hard as possible.
I even wonder if it came from Boris Johnson (instructed by Dominic Cummings). As usual the police and MSM have rewritten history and an angry mob attacked brave peaceful police officers.
I won’t have any sympathy for the police if they take a beating from the BLM protestors if Trump gets reelected – I saw many entirely peaceful people beaten for no reason by the TSG. I will never trust the Met or vote for the Conservative party again.
Those who were there should at least try to get some kind of questions asked about whether such an order was given, and if so, by whom?
The best placed would perhaps be solicitors for the people injured.
And anyone who uses twitter should try to get it discussed there.
I agree, it isn’t always easy to get answers out of them. It can only be Khan, Patel or Johnson.
I don’t think people would want to get solicitors involve as the fees would soon get into 6 figure sums. Unfortunately the anti-lockdown movement doesn’t have multinational and billionaires funding it! which says a lot about why the movement is absolutely despised by the establishment.
There’s a post about this in a reply on Simon Dolan’s Twitter feed today, particularly referencing the police in the red hats as being involved on the express orders of Boris and Sadiq Khan..
https://twitter.com/NuttallJim/status/1310735530796220417
(read the post from Jolly Pirate)
Red hats were group leaders as they marched into the square, each headed a group of 20-30 thugs, from memory those at the rear of each formation had white hats.
Great
Transcript – short version
My money would be on Khan. He wants everyone in London shuffling about in masks in all public spaces whilst they pay homage to the new Woke religious icons and rituals. Protests such as Saturday are too much for his narcissism to bear. Johnson probably didn’t even know a protest was happening.
That this site is willing to deny the overwhelming evidence of what is happening not just here but across the world because Brendan O’Neil shares Toby’s view that to think otherwise is some sort of conspiracy theory is frankly ridiculous.
As the country and the world is destroyed by those who have been planning this for years there really is no time to waste on such a level of obduracy.
You’ve seen enough politicians: Most couldn’t organise the preverbial drinks session in a brewery.. Do you really think they have the ability to pull something like that off – and with no leaks of what is happening.
I think that is the key.. no leaks. The gov hold secrets like a colander holds water.
Where can you leak,the media are bought and paid for and the opposition are compliant
I have not come across a conspiracy theory that considers politicians to be anything more then cheaply and easily corruptible puppets.
The politicians are not the ones organising this.They are just reading from a script or following the agreed line which they are good at.
I’ll give you a conspiracy theory.
Bill Gates has financial links to nearly all the main scientific players in this.He is a major donor to the WHO,which is directing the response. He has been mentioned in at least 3 speeches by our prime minister.All the solutions to this crisis exactly match his own hobby horses,Vaccines and digital identity’s .
Do I think that Bill Gates is in his hollowed out volcano stroking a cat,No,but even the most ardent believer in government incompetence must see there are questions to answer and more to this than meets the eye.
Purported leak from a parliamentary advisor to the German Bundestag:
https://peds-ansichten.de/2020/09/leak-bundestag-coronakrise/
This is SICK https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1310624800591806467
(Boris tweeting Bill Gates)
Nothing to see here,and anyone who does is a tin foil hat wearing lunatic
Blimey, what kind of a Gates super-stooge is Boris?
Cant read this one, not a twatter user.
Anyone fancy the ol’ Ctrl C & V?
There have been leaks.
In April UK Column were presenting copies of leaked minutes where they were openly discussing re-purposing society. The businesses the govt wanted to keep open and the opportunity to get rid of those they didn’t think ‘viable’. All that while the old and infirm were dying in droves in care homes.
And in case you haven’t noticed despite your ‘…couldn’t organise a piss up ..’ comments they shut down the f**king country.
They mentioned shutting schools forever too, which fits in with the article I quoted earlier from today’s mercola.com..
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Almost every single government on the planet all singing from the same hymn sheet is stupidity? There are no forces behind the curtain controlling things uniformly?
I actually saw a video where an American official used exactly the same words in a speech as Johnson
So, if a restaurant overcharges me every time, then it’s because they’re bad at arithmetic??
The company you work for, do you know what’s going on in the regional head office or do you just follow the work orders you’re given? If you’re part of the regional head office and you know what’s going on there, do you know what’s going on in the national head office or do you just follow the work orders you’re given? If you’re part of the national head office and you know what’s going on there, do you know what’s going on in the global head office or do you just follow the work orders you’re given? If you’re part of the global head office and you know what’s going on there, do you know what’s going on with the owners of the company or do you just follow the work orders you’re given?
The argument of “oh, how can they all be in it together, they don’t have the competence to do something like this” doesn’t fit because they’re not doing it, they’re just following orders. And to follow orders you don’t need to know what’s going on.
Remember when Boris made a big song and dance about herd immunity, the logical, intelligent response, and then suddenly u-turned? I wonder why that was.
All politicians apart from the few who are “in on the game” have any idea what is really going on. They literally have no idea. They aren’t even on the first step of understanding the global scam that is The Corona Project. These ones “in the know” might think they know but they don’t either in most cases.
They are just useful idiots pushing an agenda they are told to push.
This scam is done on a need to know basis and very few people actually know or can see the whole picture. It’s just the pixels they see when they stand close to the screen, the rest is a blur.
It’s not the politicians who are planning and orchestrating this.
They are definitely colluding though, deliberately or through wilful ignorance.
I think the main reason this site is credible and also powerful is it rejects non evidence based polemics. If you prefer other angles to be published without an evidence base then look elsewhere or set up your own blog.
So you thought you’d provide your own evidence free polemic hey? The more this site puts its head in the sand as society is deconstructed before our very eyes the less credible it becomes.
The evidence of what this is really about is fully available for those who wish to see it. For others like yourself perhaps you would like to pretend this is simply a cock-up and if you are patient enough it will all be over soon that thinking will only get you so far.
If you wish to find out further look at the World Bank and World Economic forums for what they imagine is the re-purposing of opportunities. Planning that has been in place for years – not six months.
Look at the Rockefeller foundation and have a read of the Lockstep document that covers the initial stages very well.
If not then dream on because this is just the beginning.
The point is that it’s irrelevant to the main evidence-based task of simply demolishing the dominant narrative, which is believed by the majority of the population.
If you manage to demolish the dominant narrative, you will ultimately begin to expose some of the elements of conspiracy. Sir Desmond Swayne is on the right track right now however, with his focus on the real world horrors being inflicted by lockdown measures.
In an ideal world, at a future commission of enquiry, every single element of who did what when and why, will be micro-examined, with sworn testament being taken.
The blatant fallacious fearmongering on ‘rising cases’ has to be exposed and challenged initially, along with the fundamentally flawed PCR results.
100% correct. Speculating amongst ourselves as to reasons may be interesting, but it’s not the priority.
Using the “C” word will do more to harm than help our cause among those whom we must persuade.
Who do you believe, Toby Young and hill shill pals or Dr Heiko Schöning,?
“The World Health Organisation was established solely to market Western medical products worldwide and at the most profitable rates possible. This means among other things by arranging that poor countries devote precious foreign exchange for the purchase of bulk pharmaceuticals of dubious value under the pretext of being able to treat their indigent populations for illnesses that are almost entirely due to poor nutrition, vile working conditions, polluted air, water and food and poverty.”
https://www.globalresearch.ca/inferno-and-the-fourth-circle-the-american-empire-and-the-2020-pandemic/5724833
Yes, ask people why Bill Gates hasn’t used his billions to provide clean water for the poor, but instead is focused on vaccines?
Clean water and food wouldn’t lead to population reduction. Quite the opposite in fact.
Well said!
Like these guys!
https://uk.whogivesacrap.org/
Martin McKee, professor of European public health, London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine: “What everyone is now recognising is that the best way to measure deaths is excess all-cause mortality.” (From the Daily Telegraph)
Can anyone explain this to me? What about the deaths caused by the lockdown?
Deaths caused by lockdown are included in the excess deaths.
The FT estimates that UK excess deaths in 2020 thus far are 67,500, which is 37% above the mean for previous years. So that would be 25,500 caused (presumably) by lockdowns.
I don’t know how often the FT actually updates their stats however.
And it’s a very rough and ready metric anyway. Any year with an especially high mortality from flu will throw out the comparisons. If we have high flu mortality at the end of this year, then I would consider the oldies having locked themselves away in the Summer to be a significant contributory factor. The Govt will say it is because people missed their essential flu jab.
Lies, damn lies, and statistics…
https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386938
He’s wrong in one respect. I bang on about this because its such an inbuilt fallacy.:
The term ‘excess deaths’ is imprecise, and depends on your ‘normal’ baseline which is a moveable feast, depending on its time span.
So : the smoothed mortality of the last quarter century describes a sine-wave, with the last ten years covering an unusually low level, now beginning to rise again. Any baseline using just the last 5-10 years will exaggerate recent mortality in terms of ‘excess’.
The reality is that this year’s mortality is above average, but not exceptional within a wider historical context.
Technically, the way you calculate a baseline regression can alter your ‘excess’ number quite dramatically : a straight line is very imprecise. The CEBM has an article illustrating this fact.
So – whilst it is useful – indeed essential – to outline a historical context, forget the term ‘excess’ as a useful one, with it’s implication of ‘abnormal’. It’s misleading.
One thing that currently concerns me is that we could well be coming back into a time of higher mortality generally, if (big if) the present cyclic trend continues. That could well assist a continuation of hysteria and manipulation.
Professor Anthony Brookes says we’ve reached herd immunity.
Number of second wave deaths ‘nothing like’ that of first, professor tells Julia Hartley-Brewer
Geneticist and health data scientist Professor Anthony Brookes explains why he is “confident” that the deaths caused by a second wave of coronavirus will be “nothing like the amount of deaths we had in the first wave”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK_Ag7o1x4g&t=4s
Even if we aren;t at herd immunity, our murderous government crammed covid patients in to care homes where the vulnerable people are. Most of the vulnerable have probably caught it, a number of them died from it. I don’t think there is any mroe dry tinder left, even if the virus has spread nowehere except the carehomes (and we know it has been wider than that) we’d already be in a position where future spread won’t cause many deaths. What we need now is herd immunity against authoritarianism, how many defiant individuals will it take for the government to back down on their human rights abuses which they describe as laws?
I’m not sure we’re at herd immunity nationally. We were only lightly hit in the South West, it could still have some way to run down here.
Correct.
– Places like the South West still have a lot of “dry tinder” (if we must use that expression). But the prevalence of the virus there is so low there that it is struggling to take off again. But in time, it will!!
– Up North, and to some degree in the Midlands too, herd immunity is incomplete, and so the virus has flared up again significantly.
– In London, there is virtually no 2nd wave [increases in cases there are due to increased testing], presumably because herd immunity there is well developed
We’ve seen the rise of the ANTI BORIS.
This Boris no longer exists:
Brussels is taking a big liberty with children’s booster seats
By Boris Johnson, Daily Telegraph
21 September 2006 • 00:01 am
Of all the sensations of joy and release that Nature in her kindness has bestowed on the human race, there is little or nothing to beat the moment when you get rid of the baby’s car seat.
search: Brussels is taking a big liberty with children’s booster seats By Boris Johnson, Daily Telegraph
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3632448/Brussels-is-taking-a-big-liberty-with-childrens-booster-seats.html
Maybe he got injected with Bill G’s DNA-changing vaccines while he was in hospital? Maybe he is patient zero for the new zombie population Bill has in mind?
Just been talking to a friend who works for a catering company that specialises in delivering sandwiches and lunchtime buffets for businesses. She was saying that the restriction have completely killed their business. Before lockdown they had 20 staff, but they have had to get rid of 14 staff, and they’re now barely breaking even with just 6 staff. She believes that with no end to this being likely soon that she will lose her job as the company will more than likely fold in the next few months.
Ditto – just spoken to the local window cleaner, gone from 10 guys to just him and a part-time helper.
Tip of the iceberg.How many shops,restaurants pubs will not be able to pay rents etc.This feeds into landlords then to the banks.Systematic collapse on its way
Local beautician,well established and set up 20 years ago, is now on a 3 day week, with 2 part timers still on furlough, but likely to be laid off if no improvement by end of October.
No facial treatments allowed-introduced out of the blue a few weeks ago,following a brief relaxation of the rules-concomitant fall in customer numbers.
Meanwhile Sturgeon is earning just less than £160,000 pa for destroying the economy and driving us all round the bend.
A chap I know has a taxi and he said his business is ‘pretty much dead’,his wife has also been made redundant from her hospitality job.
My workplace is not exactly in a good place either and given that there seems to be no takers with the second round of voluntary redundancies, it looks like we will be going into compulsory ones.
Helped along by a whopping $1.2 billion infusion from U.S. taxpayers and $750 million from two Bill-Gates-backed global health organizations, Oxford’s assertive grab for frontrunner status has been reinforced by a friendly media, such as CBS’s recent statement that the Oxford vaccine “is widely perceived to be one of, if not the strongest contender among the dozens of coronavirus vaccines in various stages of testing” [emphasis added].Oddly, CBS furnished this ringing endorsement shortly after Oxford and AstraZeneca called a temporary halt to their clinical trials in five countries. The brief hold was prompted by a UK participant’s report, after her second dose of vaccine, of a serious adverse event—a demyelinating condition called transverse myelitis (TM) associated with pain, muscle weakness, paralysis and bowel and bladder problems. Two-thirds of those who experience TM remain permanently disabled. Belatedly, AstraZeneca also disclosed that the September pause was actually the second time-out in two months. The first incident, which initially went unpublicized, occurred in July when another UK participant experienced TM after one dose of vaccine and ended up with a brand-new diagnosis of multiple sclerosis (MS). TM is well recognized as sometimes being “the first symptom of an autoimmune or immune-mediated disease such as multiple sclerosis.”
According to the New York Times, not only did AstraZeneca “not immediately inform the public about the neurological problems of either participant,” but it did not say anything publicly until “the information was leaked and reported by STAT.” Under the circumstances, the decision to restart the clinical trials only a few days into the September pause raised more than a few eyebrows, yet the British Health Secretary immediately hailed the decision as “good news for everyone”—and especially for AstraZeneca, which saw its share price largely rebound following a precipitous $11.3 billion drop in market value in the wake of the second pause. In the U.S., the media and top National Institutes of Health (NIH) officials hastened to spin the two pauses as par-for-the-course “safety checks” and proof that “care is being taken,” also suggesting that the incidents could well be “coincidental.” Whether the 18,000 clinical trial participants will find these soothing pronouncements sufficiently reassuring remains to be seen, however, especially given Oxford’s prevaricating participant information sheet (dated September 11), which states that the TM and TM-plus-MS incidents “were either considered unlikely to be associated with the vaccine or there was insufficient evidence to say for certain that the illnesses were or were not related to the vaccine.”
TM is not newInternet searches for “transverse myelitis” surged following the news that the Oxford/AstraZeneca clinical trials had been halted, but the term “myelitis” is nothing new. Myelitis, which refers to an inflammatory disease process affecting the spinal cord, is a component not just of TM but also of encephalomyelitis and acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM)—involving both brain and spinal cord inflammation—as well as acute flaccid myelitis (AFM) and, of course, poliomyelitis. Experts refer to these conditions as forms of “spinal cord damage not due to trauma.”
Based on analysis of information posted at the U.S. Court of Federal Claims website, conditions involving demyelination and paralysis—TM, ADEM, Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS) and chronic inflammatory demyelinating polyneuropathy (CIDP)—are among the top vaccine injuries for which Americans (primarily adults) have filed claims with the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (NVICP). GBS is currently the NVICP’s second most compensated vaccine injury. Of the 330 TM-related petitions adjudicated to date, the program has awarded approximately $150 million in damages to 266 claimants (including estimated annuities), while dismissing 55 claims and leaving 9 still pending.
In prior years, most NVICP claimants linked their TM to hepatitis B vaccines, but in more recent years, tetanus-diphtheria-pertussis (Tdap) and influenza vaccines have become the principal suspects. A systematic review of TM case reports gleaned from 1970–2009 corroborates these claims, identifying 37 cases of TM associated with multiple vaccines given to infants, children and adults (including hepatitis B, measles-mumps-rubella and DTP) and showing that TM symptoms can arise anywhere from several days to several months and possibly several years post-vaccination. A more recent report by some of the same researchers also describes a case of TM following H1N1 influenza vaccination. The authors conclude:
(continued)
It is because of the side effects – as you say known about for some time – that they are legislating to allow unlicensed vaccines to be used..
Standard US practice and we’re going down that route.
Part 2:-
“Additional myelitis signpostsIt is important to remember that historical reports of myelitic conditions track closely with pediatric vaccination trends and with the concurrent rise in the very practice of injection. Describing a 1949 polio epidemic, for example, an Australian researcher reported “a relation, in a number of cases, between an injection of an immunising agent and the subsequent development of paralytic poliomyelitis.” In fact, clinicians of that era coined the terms “provocation poliomyelitis” and “provocation paralysis” to describe polio cases that followed pediatric injections. In the 1990s, observations of post-vaccination paralysis in Africa and India—AFM and acute flaccid paralysis (AFP)—sparked new interest in “polio-like” illness and the provocation phenomenon, and, over the past decade, African and Indian researchers (though not U.S. investigators) have continued to point to vaccines and injections as likely AFP causes.
The occurrence of not one but two cases of TM—a condition ordinarily reputed to be ‘rare’—ought to raise a red flag …
Another reason to question Oxford’s disingenuous attempts to decouple the two reports of TM from its vaccine has to do with the information readily available in vaccine package inserts. The inserts for vaccines on the U.S. market link TM—either through clinical trial data or post-marketing data—to 11 different vaccines, including vaccines involving various combinations of chickenpox, hepatitis B, human papillomavirus, influenza, measles and meningitis. For the conditions labeled “myelitis,” “encephalomyelitis” and “ADEM,” the inserts connect them to some of the same vaccines plus six others (including those against hepatitis A and diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis). Twenty-one different vaccine package inserts list GBS (also characterized by muscle weakness and paralysis) as an adverse event.
The occurrence of not one but two cases of TM—a condition ordinarily reputed to be “rare”—ought to raise a red flag because the Covid-19 vaccine, by its developers’ own acknowledgement, is highly reactogenic. The Oxford researchers’ July report in The Lancet (published around the same time as the first TM incident) indicated that a single dose of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine had a higher “reactogenicity profile” (a stronger inflammatory response) than the meningitis vaccine against which it is being compared. That is saying something, given that the type of meningitis vaccine being used as a comparison is itself notorious for producing serious adverse reactions—including TM. Commenting on this point, one observer who is favorable to the push for a Covid-19 vaccine but questions the Oxford group’s decision not to use an inert saline placebo has stated, “comparing an experimental COVID-19 vaccine that has so far been shown to cause a fair amount of physical reactions . . . to a meningitis vaccine that can also cause these temporary side effects will certainly paint a kinder picture of the COVID vaccine.”
What websites do not mention is AstraZeneca’s pattern of knowingly and systematically hiding negative information about its products and paying out millions in fines and settlements for false claims.
A dangerous pattern?In a surprisingly scathing critique of Oxford’s and AstraZeneca’s mishandling of the two TM incidents, the New York Times noted recently that “finding even one case among thousands of trial participants could be a red flag” and added that “[m]ultiple confirmed cases . . . could be enough to halt AstraZeneca’s vaccine bid entirely.” In the equally blunt words of a vaccine expert interviewed by the Times, “If a third case of neurological disease pops up in the vaccine group, then this vaccine may be done.”
What websites like The Motley Fool do not mention is AstraZeneca’s pattern of “knowingly and systematically” hiding negative information about its products and paying out millions in fines and settlements for false claims. As Jeremy Loffredo pointed out in a Children’s Health Defense commentary, this pattern of behavior should be taken into account when considering whether Oxford/AstraZeneca made the right call in rushing to relaunch the clinical trials. In the words of a former Harvard Medical School professor, “The dangers to the public for taking an unproven and undertested vaccine are [already] overwhelming,” and the “opaque veil” that limits transparency of the vaccine testing and approval process is only making a bad situation worse.”
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/the-intertwined-history-of-myelitis-and-vaccines/?itm_term=home
After visiting our local library site (just four of our dozen libraries open at the moment with huge restrictions) I emailed them:
I notice on your website you state:
“When visiting our libraries, you will need to scan the NHS QR posters
located at the entrance and within key areas of the building using the
app.”
You imply this is mandatory. According to the linked government
guidance (https://www.gov.uk/guidance/nhs-test-and-trace-how-it-works)
organisations are required to offer T&T facilities to those who do not
have mobile phones or those not compatible with the app. Are you really
saying that you are refusing access to the many of us who do not have,
and have no need for, a mobile phone?
This growing insistence of T&T App entry is the most sinister yet. I await their reply.
Our libraries are removing newspapers and magazines. I assume permanently? So the digital divide gets wider. (Not to mention another nail in the coffin of the physical publishers if this national policy.)
Wrote to Sir Desmond Swayne to thank him for this speech yesteray and received a brief acknowledgement.
That’s more than my local MP who is as useful as a chocolate teapot.
I suspect he got thousands of emails yesterday.
I told him not to bother with a response but I still got a short but personal thank you from him.
Agree. His mail bag – both physical and electronic must be very busy.
So this is what “Long COVID” REALLY means – extract from top story on RTE right now:
“The chief executive of the Health Service Executive has told the Oireachtas Special Committee on Covid-19 Response that even if a vaccine is developed, Ireland will be dealing with the virus for a long time.
Paul Reid said the country must adapt its way of life through a combination of behavioural, societal, and healthcare changes.
He also warned that the health service must expect and should plan for subsequent waves of Covid-19.”
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0928/1168063-paul-reid-covid-committee/
That’s about as clear a statement of the permanent nature of their plans that I could imagine – i.e. NO WAY OUT even with a vaccine.
Yes, Adam Rutherford with LC talking on the radio today. We all (or should) know that ICU treatment causes long term sequelae. Also other respiratory diseases are difficult to get over. I met a man recently who has spent a few weeks in hospital with pneumonia (NO COVID, and not in ICU) and he is still weak and going out now for short walks to try to build up his strength. But as if Covid isn’t enough, we now have Long Covid to hype up the situation even more.
I’ve known a few cold viruses in the last few years that have had long-lasting effects. SARS-CoV-2 is no different.
I had a bad cold/flu ten years or so ago, and had a very bad cough and lost hearing in my left ear. I have since had 3 grommets in the left ear to fix my hearing, and the tickly cough still persists. So even colds/flu can cause long-term damage. This long covid stuff is horseshit.
Yep. I had flu when I was 30, back in the 80s. A few days in bed, unable to move, and feeling like death warmed up (well, colder than cold, actually – couldn’t get warm), followed by about 6 weeks of fever on and off + feeling generally ropey.
Some people struggle to regain good health after they had a serious viral infection. This is nothing new, but now they use this to scare us into thinking that covid is sOOOO bad
Normally during a such a viral infection the body uses a lot more of certain nutrients that leads to various nutrient deficiencies in the body especially vitamin A, vitamin D, Vitamin C, Zinc, Selenium and Iodine.
The krebs cycle (producing energy) is one of the processes that becomes inefficient as it does not get the correct nutrients to run it properly.
Let’s call a spade a spade.
If someone’s immune system creates a deadly response to a respiratory virus, it cannot be said they didn’t have an underlying health condition.
They did. As is demonstrated by their immune system’s response. That’s what killed them.
Our immune systems have evolved over countless generations to protect us against new viruses. When an immune system cannot protect the host from a virus, this is an underlying health condition.
A healthy immune system will protect, an inefficient immune system won’t. That’s an underlying health condition, albeit a previously undiagnosed one.
This really isn’t helpful. Even if we used a different term for this concept, such as, say, “cursed”, then if you can’t tell whether you were cursed until after you’re dead does not make it a useful concept for planning or diagnosis. And co-opting a different, meaningful and useful term to refer to a meaningless or useless term is damaging to the debate.
It’s like you are stuck in April.You are one of 2 people in the country who still believe in the validity of Ferguson’s model.The other one is him.
The government would have been better off asking Mystic Meg for a prediction and it would have been more accurate
I think they could form a threesome with Mayo
I don’t think he even believes in it
Does even Ferguson believe it? Broke lockdown didn’t he.
You did notice that neither Professor Ferguson nor his model was mentioned in this little thread until you brought them into it, I suppose? This is a discussion about assessment of underlying health conditions. If somebody is “stuck”, perhaps it isn’t me …
Funnily enough, you can find Mystic Meg’s predictions for 2020 here. She doesn’t actually mention a pandemic at all …
Ha ha, you are correct, great post. Apart from ‘October is your month to make or remake plans for a complete change of lifestyle’, obviously. (Pisces)
You are correct. Great post
He is entirely of the twat class and representative of the problem with the WHO.
The bottom line for the sane is the hard fact that, even given the sharp rise in mortality for a brief time in April – nothing much happened.
People like Nab(?)arro are terrified that we should just recognize that fact(and therefore their lack of credibility) and just get on with life as we have done with every other seasonal infection.
My company has made 25% of staff redundant, with numbers over 130 cut to below 100 in the last few weeks. I’m hearing many similar stories.
My wife is a pathologist, and she is seeing half the number of cases. Cancer hasn’t gone away, so people with curable cancer are going to present with incurable cancer.
My daughter is a nurse, and she arrives from work complaining of boredom because the wards are half full.
Sometimes my wife and daughter are in tears because they are not doing the job they desperately want to do.
The people that brought this chaos upon us must know all this, and yet they still add more restrictions, and not just in the UK. I cannot believe this is just incompetence now, it has to be directed, by whom and for what purpose I don’t pretend to know.
I agree with Toby Young and Brendan O’Neill on almost everything, but I am long past thinking we are in this situation because of incompetence.
Yes. I think many of us resist ‘conspiracy’ theories because of past experience, Occam’s razor and the fact that they are not a good narrative when trying to convince the unconverted.
… but this shit-show is difficult to bottom just on the basis of incompetence.
…especially in the light of Boris openly referencing Bill G multiple times, committing the Uk to spending vast amounts on the WHO and also replying enthusiastically to Bill G’s tweets.
In every country, we need independent investigative journalists of the calibre of Woodward and Bernstein in their prime to pursue the truth relentlessly and forensically assemble all the evidence for how this has happened. These guys were threatened, abused and mocked for years, but their work eventually brought down the Nixon presidency. The standards of proof for any assertion need to be beyond a reasonable doubt. Let the chips fall where they may.
I agree. But the take-over of journalism by networked shills has been a long time in the making.
See : Nick Davies ‘Flat Earth News’ for an insight into the process by an insider.
Doctors and nurses all over the world are speaking out against the dangerous, repellent murderous, actions of their governments . What is preventing your wife and daughter from joining other medical practitioners and speaking out in unison against this madness. I am not being rhetorical. I really want to know. People still trust doctors. If they spoke people would listen. We are getting past the point where keeping your job matters. The future of out civilisation is at stake here. They are not going to stop until they are stopped.
What is telling for me is that heads went above the parapet over Cummings’ trip to Barnard Castle, but nothing over the mothballing of the NHS.
17 September:
Hospitals and councils have been told to find extra beds for coronavirus patients within two weeks as the NHS braces for a second spike in cases.
18 September:
10m to live under local lockdowns
I see two problems with Brendan O’Neill’s reason for rejecting the concept of a conspiracy. First if it’s rejected before investing the facts of the matter, we will never uncover the truth, nor will journalists such as himself and Toby be asking about the flows of money… which is where the truth will surely be found.
Second, if there is an international fraud going on we need leaders to inspire us to fight back, as opposed to denying reason and instinct which both tell us that something is amiss, nothing adds up.
There’s room for more than one explanation at the same time, partly incompetence, partly principles-free lust for power, and partly the openly documented aims of the World Economic Forum, of Bill Gates, and of other super wealthy players.
Well my shithouse of an MP (Kit Malthouse) sent some shite, generic reply to a letter I sent. Said he understood people’s frustrations and proceeded to reiterate the rules. Gonna have to sharpen my knives and write back to the festering, jumped-up turd.
It’s really getting to me today!
Yesterday, the HoC debated about the covid measures. There were brilliant speeches by Swayyne and Allen, pointing out how undemocratic the implementation has been.
Last week, Lindsay Hoyle accused Wankock of arrogantly bypassing Parliamentary procedure and yet, at the end of the day, what happened?
The North East locked down with no warning but with immediate effect!
Not only are dePiffle and Poppycock seriously taking the p*ss out of the electorate, this diktat should have been a red rag to a bull, as it was a clear mockery of the HofC.
What we really need is the discontinuation of the Covid Act but it’s been made clear that’s unlikely to happen.
Pauline Latham said ….. she would probably support new restrictions ….
Other MPs made similar arguments. It is not that they disagree with the powers per se, they told the chamber, but that they resent ministers assuming that they are doing the right thing such that parliament cannot even test their arguments.
Today is to be filled with a smokescreen of measures designed to fudge the impending unemployment numbers down and keep the jobless off the streets.
If the Act is renewed tomorrow, it will be a green light for the total annihilation of democracy in this country.
There have a been a handful of MPs who have finally stepped up to the plate this week. Sadly they remind me of similar “debates” in the House of Commons immediately prior to the Iraq War. We know how that turned out. At least a million dead, a country completely destroyed and a region permanently destabilised.
For me the question is not whether the Act will be renewed, but for how long.
If I remember rightly it lasts for 2 years but has to be voted on every 6 months?
Not sure about the every six months bit!
Nothing will happen and this will be renewed for another 2 years. None of our politicians have done fuck all to even try to oppose or fight these complete restriction and complete loss of pretty much all our liberties. Yes, some MP have written letters and spoke in Parlament.Give me a fucking break. This is like pissing in the wind, it’s an illusion of opposition ..And as much as I appreciate TY and this site has kept me sane , but sometimes I feel that is whole thing is like preaching to the choir.
I am under no illusions. The reality is that we have never lived in a democracy. The difference now is that our politicians are not even paying lip service to the sham.
Agree! I think we should not only be lobbying with regard to Parliament getting no say, but also on the clear involvement of Bill Gates (unelected) and his stooges in UK government policy – Boris has referenced Bill G several times now.
Otherwise the whole shenanigans will continue. Track n trace will merely slowly morph into daily tests and covipass, then vaccines…
If you meet one friend in a pub in the North East you are committing a criminal offence. You will get a criminal record, if caught. Say it again – you will get a criminal record. I said to a male friend today, if you punch me to the ground, you will get done for assault and have a criminal record. However, (unless I am seriously injured) you are unlikely to be fined anywhere near as much as for meeting your friend in the pub (assuming you have no previous). What has happened to us?
It is astonishing to witness, it really is. Socialising in pubs made illegal. The Taliban would have been proud.
The Taliban banned music too.
More doom mongering. Form The Telegraph live feed (my emphasis):
War on virus won’t be won by creating tougher rules on people’s behaviour, says WHO special envoy
A World Health Organisation special envoy on coronavirus has warned against imposing stricter rules to control behaviour, arguing people must support the restrictions needed to slow the spread.
David Nabarro told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “This war, and I think it’s reasonable to call it a war, against this virus, which is going to go on for the foreseeable future, is not going to be won by creating tougher and tougher rules that attempt to control people’s behaviour.
“The only way that we will come out ahead of this virus is if we’re all able to do the right thing in the right place at the right time because we choose to do it.
“I think we will get the point, I just hope that it doesn’t require a lot more people to end up in hospital and dying for us all to get the point, that all of us, all of us, have to be rigorous about physical distance, wearing masks, hygiene, isolating when we’re sick and protecting those who are most vulnerable.”
So a recommendation against stricter rules, but the ones already in place will be there for the “foreseeable future”. How reassuring – not!
Jesus. Cold war, war on drugs, war on terror, war on covid. Is that all these people can ever come up with?
If you read Chasing the Scream by Johann Hari, you’ll see very clearly that these “wars” never benefit the populace.
The WHO are in the pandemic business. Why would they want this to end?
Exactly. WHO (with World Bank & IMF) scripted the world wide response of what countries and social media should do. Social media not to allow anything that is not part of the WHO message. So anyone questioning it gets censored (remember doctors speaking out in the beginning stating that ventilators kill covid patients), anyone talking about improving immunity gets censored, etc
Would just like to say well done to Desmond Swayne, Pauline Latham, and Norman Lamont… and Right Said Fred of course!
They went on the march on Saturday and have been writing sceptic tweets!
I’m too sexy for my mask memes already doing the rounds
Or how about “Don’t Talk, Don’t Kiss” which is a variant on one of their lesser follow up hits
They were at the protest on Saturday
Pauline Latham said she would back the law, even though she said students should go home for xmas.
That’s disappointing and pretty contradictory…
That’s what you get if you only pay them £80,0000 per annum.
Wimp!
She’s an absolutely useless MP.
What have they said?
“Right”
https://twitter.com/petedjackson/status/1310883463692779520
Spain have reduced their Pillar 2 PCR CT cycle from 45 CT to 30-35 CT.
The impact has shown a dramatic fall in symptomatic cases from 11,588 on 18 Sept to 2,425 on 28 Sept.
45 cycles! that would give a positive from testing bit of cheese.
Or a papaya!
9,163 bits of cheese
Literally.
The government know this.They can end this crisis anytime they want.The fact that they haven’t despite the destruction of the economy does lead to the question.WHY?0
They won’t stop. It’s no incompetence. They are doing this to us because of “The Great Reset”. The new Normal IS the goal, Agenda 2030’s 17 sustainable development goals is the target. Global lock was the primary objective, the virus is the catalyst for global social change, all the rest is propaganda and psychological warfare.
Wake up please.
You are right
Yes you are right. This is what Dr Schöning would have told the London demonstrators had he not been arrested.
They would have to explain to the public that they got it wrong, and they would get slaughtered as a result. IMO the lies to save your own arse are more evil than lies in pursuit of an agenda
With respect Julian …They are not getting ‘it’ wrong they are doing what they’re being advised to do
4SD or Skills, Systems & Synergies for Sustainable Development
‘On 21 February 2020, Dr David Nabarro, Co-Director of the Imperial College Institute of Global Health Innovation at the Imperial College London and Strategic Director of 4SD, was appointed as one of six Special Envoys to the World Health Organization (WHO) Director-General on COVID-19. In this role, David provides strategic advice and high-level political advocacy and engagement in different parts of the world to help WHO coordinate the global response to the pandemic
.https://www.4sd.info/covid-19-narratives/
I guess he’s on the sage committee???
I wish people would give their sources. I can’t use this information just based on somebodies tweet.
I will try and source it
Thanks
I seen a similar graph on video presentation earlier today. Such a dramatic fall would indicate methodology changes for sure. Henegen and Co love finding these kind of outliers to mark for further investigation as it indicates much of the noise is based o process rather than clinical realities
More fear-mongering bullshit (from The Guardian):
“If anything, the numbers currently reported probably represent an underestimate of those individuals who have either contracted Covid-19 or died as a cause of it,” Mike Ryan, the WHO’s top emergencies expert, told a briefing in Geneva.
“When you count anything, you can’t count it perfectly but I can assure you that the current numbers are likely [probably] an underestimate of the true toll of Covid.”
Is this just an honest mistake about the number of deaths – surely it’s a gross overestimate – or does he know that he’s lying?
Lying
He knows all right and any journalist with an iota of integrity would call it out.
This report from February, highlighted the massive problems within the emergencies division of the WHO, including procurement fraud. I think the UK and numerous other governments have followed, an organisation that is in serious need of a deep clean.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-17/coronavirus-who-underfunded-internal-corruption-allegations/11970382
If he doesn’t know he’s lying – then he’s too stupid to hold that position.
https://thecritic.co.uk/time-for-covid-disobedience/
A good one from The Critic ,for those who might not have seen it.
https://thecritic.co.uk/one-app-to-rule-them-all/
And another.
I wonder whether Covid Meister Shuttlecock and his goon squads read it; they should.
Finally, a glimmer of hope: when we went for our weekly walk in fine sunny weather today, my pal,who hitherto has ‘listened to Nicola’ and followed the increasingly incoherent and mind bending rules, opined,unprompted by me,that ‘folk are getting fed up’.
I agreed wholeheartedly,pleased to see signs of scales falling from obedient eyes, and she then went on to discuss the students’ plight: A neighbour’s son has just started his 1st year at Stirling and is now under house arrest.
So, even the Sturgeon followers are now starting to buckle under the strain.
We can but hope……
Sir Christopher Chope rose slowly. “I’m not yet persuaded that I need to support the continuation of the Coronavirus Act,” he said.
I hope he brings his friends!
So do I!
The only way to prevent the Government from instigating a second lockdown would be a clear demonstration of mass opposition. This could and should be touched off by public declarations from leading figures in society that they refuse to obey the irrational diktats of a discredited and despised government and are prepared to take the legal consequences – fines or imprisonment – for doing so. For when a government defies common sense and flouts the common law, the common people it purports to govern have a right to break it too.
I genuinely think there will be nationwide unrest if this Act gets renewed. I don’t think the government understand what a powder keg they are sat on.
There won’t be. The normies think the virus is deadly and is only being suppressed by mental rules that aren’t tight enough. The virus is spreading because “anti-government” types are breaking the rules, people not wearing masks are “sneering” at those that do and preventing the governments measures from working, The virus is spreading out of control because “idiots” in pubs are spreading it and not properly doing social distancing.
I read the local Facebook groups comments yesterday, that was a mistake.
I wish it were so but I think the majority will just go meh and suck it up. The best hope for sanity is when the BBC types/middle classes wake up to the fact that this WILL hit them too. It may take longer when you have money but it will affect you eventually. Plus other countries around the world where rioting is much more likely will concentrate politicians minds.
The threat of a pensions raid and a CGT hike on second homes would end all of this in a week.
Don’t forget a wealth tax as well.
Plus the longer the likes of the City of London and Belgravia become ghost towns, that can affect pensions value as well – they will become as worthless as the mark in Weimar Germany.
Desmond Swayne did not go to the same kind of school as me. He does not talk like me. He is not a similar age to me. He does not live where I live. He does not live in house like mine. But, he speaks for me.
Meanwhile, people like Sturgeon win votes regardless of what they say, because “she’s just like one of us”
El Presidente Sturgeon is nothing more than a dictator now.
The problem is she is like many people in Scotland. I am Scottish, I live here, and I love the country, but you’ll be hard-pressed to find more bitter, spiteful people in such a small area as you find in Scotland.
Quite so; the resentment,the bitterness, the sense of entitlement plus spurious sickening virtue signalling and the regular eruptions of the Nat-Nazis is something to behold, and very depressing.
Which is why as a fellow Scot I live in “exile” in England. I got heartily sick and tired of the nationalistic bordering on racist streak of a significant number. I haven’t been back to the Auld Country for over 14 years now.
Couldn’t disagree more!!!
Mr Bart is Scottish and will heartily endorse this comment. He said that’s what he dislikes about Scots – the pettiness, the spitefulness, bitterness and the racism and xenophobia. Not to mention sectarianism as well.
And don’t get him started on the chest beating “wha’s like us…..” about the Scots inventing this and that. He always finds it ironic that these pioneering Scots were either based in England or elsewhere when they made their discoveries and inventions.
Sturgeon is only one of you if you are a reborn Nazi crossed with a sub-Neanderthal zombie.
And Scottish.
Are you both pissed?
In my letter to my MP I made much the same point. That’s this is about your principles and commitment to democracy. It doesn’t matter if the other signatures on that piece of paper are your enemies on other matters
Latest egregious scam is a survey invitation on fb to “help experts predict covid hotspots”
Unfortunately, people really are THAT stupid!!!
Dr Heiko Schoning talks about his arrest at Speakers Corner:
Heiko Schöning, M.D. arrested unlawful at Speakers Corner London 26.09.2020, Interview on Englishhttps://acu2020.org/
And this is the book that Dr Schoning suggests was what the authorities did not want promoted:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Corona-False-Alarm-Facts-Figures/dp/1645020576/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=covid19+false+alarm%3F&qid=1601378462&sr=8-1
Yes – it’s highly recommendable as a concise summary of all the fallacies.
Transcript of the video
“Doctors (and lawyers) coming together. Responsibility in terms of professions, not right not legal and right in scientific way and not good for our patients. Democracy getting lost. Facts not add up. In EU the SARS co 2 virus is not corona virus (Hope I transcribed correctly). Measurements governments taken not in line with facts. 90% of surgical operations not taking place in Germany. Lots of suicides, economy going down.
Two questions
1.Who’s has the power to organise this in an orchestrated international way?
2. Who get to profit out of this?
The medical problem not important (see this statement in terms of a second language speaker). People are afraid, mass media and governments tell them to be afraid. One year ago I predicted something like this, the previous pandemic scares.
Need to inform other people and that it is hard. 99.5% of all newspapers in Germany coming from 5 private companies (official numbers).
‘Doctors for the Truth’ – new movement in various countries.
Do it again in October 2020 in Germany.
Lawyer from Netherlands – find consensus between all the parties in European countries (including UK)”
ALL CASE MORTALITY BULLITIN
August 2179 fewer deaths than 5 year average
Running total till 18th September 679 fewer deaths than 5 year average (there may be a slight crossover with the August figure which may reduce this figure slightly)
The numbers of deaths in hospitals and care homes were below the five-year average in Week 38 (365 and 68 fewer deaths respectively), while the number of deaths in private homes remained above the five-year average (711 more deaths).
How does it look for the year to date? How is it compared to 2018?
For England & Wales January to August 2020 34064 higher than 5 year Average. Do not have the figures for 2018
So if we take off the ~16000 excess deaths without covid on the DC do we end up with an accurate-ish mortality figure for of/with covid deaths?
Of course it’s more nuanced than that simple calculation.
Sorry Henry I was just updating the figures I will leave other calculations to others!
And a good job also (with one references), thank you!
I think 2018 is available from same place – have found it before with a search
Ok Julian – Will check it out!
Is there a source you can link to?
I will need to give 4 links 2 I have bear with me
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending18september2020
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales/august2020
4th Sept was 1443 fewer
11th Sept was 505 Higher
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/andmarriagebirthsdeathss/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending4september2020
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending11september2020
I wrote a piece recently that I thought might amuse forum readers, but when I came to post it I couldn’t because it just said ‘Input too long’ despite having made strenuous efforts to keep it under 5000 characters. I am not going to cut it down having spent so long writing it, so instead I am posting a link to it on a file sharing site, so you can read it if you really want to. Sorry it has to be done that way but I don’t seem to have a choice.
https://de.catbox.moe/3d94yo.txt
good – worth a read !
Excellent! Very funny.
(PS: ‘In the year of Our Lord’ and AD are the same thing).
Brilliant! *****
Excellent Thanks for the laugh – I needed one today.
Have you sent it to Toby?
I emailed Sainsbury’s CEO about their email they sent out to everyone reminding us of the face mask rules and how they’re going to enforce it. I received a reply that was essentially exactly the same email as they initially sent out, then when I pressed further I received another reply this morning:
Take that with you and shove it in the face of the security guard when he stops you.
I’ve just received, and deleted, the text exhorting me to download the TandT app. Where did they get my info from? I haven’t given permission for my details to be shared. Are there any freedom groups challenging the legality of this under GDR?
Probably your GP.
I received it yesterday but my husband didn’t.
Opted out but still received it. Yes they continuously move the goal posts with opting out and you have to contact them they don’t ask you when they change the terms.
If you supplied your mobile number to your Doctors Surgery then you will receive a message asking you to install the T&T app. It’s on the NHS website, I got one last night and checked it and found that.
On 26th and 27th September, everyone over the age of 16 who is registered with a GP in England, and has provided an email address or phone number to the NHS, will receive an email or SMS asking them to download the NHS COVID-19 app.
https://faq.covid19.nhs.uk/article/KA-01311
It says 26th and 27th September but they must be sending out everyday now.
Go toCovid19.nhs.uk
subsection data and security, it is all explained.
+positive each time, bargain for HMG
Afternoon all,
A few thoughts from last couple of days :
Covid Act – sadly I think this will get passed – the problem is that the vast majority of rules are coming from the use (misuse) of Public Health Act – the Covid Act facilitates Furlow etc – suspect Hancock etc basically said to the backbenchers if you vote this down you are in the press for killing furlow and other support. However what I am surprised about it the level of engagement am getting from Conservative MPs – e-mailed Swaine today and got very quick personal response. I know others aren’t responding as much but to me it does support the importance of keeping the pressure up with logical arguments.
I think the university age kids problem is a big one for the government – it’s definitely the first time a lot of let’s say the most affluent families are actually being impacted – yes there was noise around the A levels but everyone was at home and retakes were always an option. The other issue is that the long summer is over and their kids who graduated are struggling to get a job – so the damage to the economy is becoming much more real. Saw a post on Guido I think which articulated the issue well – businesses to large extent have written off 2020 – but increasingly the uncertainty means investment in 2021 is looking difficult – there’s going to be lot of recent graduates without jobs.
Suspect the escape from London is also not going as smoothly as many thought either – all those houses need buyers and there are not many around !
Desmond Swayne just on Jeremy Vine, only heard it from half way through, but as you would expect. Some twat now wheeling out the “We must moderate the language” shite.
Vine being quite firm.
Yesterday in the House of Commons, Matt Hancock repeatedly made it plain that the (constantly changing) lockdown restrictions will remain until there is a vaccine and it has been rolled out.
How can the Health Secretary be this stupid? To develop a vaccine safely will take years. To develop an effective vaccine is a fantasy. There is no coronavirus vaccine. Flu vaccines are never very effective; at most fifty percent, and even then they are not effective for older people, ie the people who are most vulnerable to the effects of this virus.
If Hancock means what he told the House (and I have no reason to doubt his sincerity), the government is determined to keep us in one form or another of lockdown for ever. This is madness.
What was even more depressing than Hancock was the fact that the so called opposition are fully in support of this strategy. Their only criticisms were along the lines of the government needs to implement its strategy more effectively.
Given this is the opposition, even if the Brady amendment is put to the House and is successful, it will merely result in the House rubber stamping the restrictions, just as it did with the Coronavirus Bill in the first place, which would provide the government with a veneer of constitutional and legal legitimacy for what is in fact totalitarianism by ministerial decree.
I agree
Agreed. It will just be a rubber stamping exercise.
Depressingly, I largely agree. However having the debate each time will force the government to present their case – each time – and they will not be able to get away with incomplete, half of untruths in the same way. There will be a Hansard record – and, at sone point, it will come back to bite them- particularly where they haven’t followed any science at all. Our biggest chance is SDolan’s court case. Every single person on this site should be supporting that. If the measures were unlawful- that’s the end of this circus. It would be a brave judge to decide this but at the very least everything the government has done in the last 6 months would, in any JR case, be subjected to minute scrutiny. Whichever way the case goes, don’t this this lot would survive it.
He’s not that stupid; he’s evil
Perhaps both. He’s not that clever.
Certainly not clever, but I can’t believe he’s so dumb to not realise at some level it’s all been a mistake
This continuous lockdown thing is all about the vaccine. Follow the money.
Agreed.
What are the processes for dislodging a Labour leader? Anyone know?
Any Labour MP can trigger a leadership contest if they have the support of twenty percent of the party’s MPs.
There will be a problem with concealing the number of vaccine related injuries in any mass vaccination rollout.
A huge number of people will be harmed, no doctor could give the vaccine without contravening his professional code of ethics to act in the best interests of the patient and to do no harm. An inadequately tested vaccine will be medically dangerous.
What the hell is going on that government ministers think it rational to talk like this?
This is the greatest tragedy of all. We have drifted so far from rationality that even serious injury to a very large number of people may not make any difference.
The government know the lockdown restrictions have (and are) killed people. Yet, the persist in the strategy on the basis of claiming to be saving lives.
I think many doctors have been contravening their professional code of ethics for the last 7 months by just standing by and not speaking up against this insanity. They’re all too far deep into this at this stage to turn back.
So just roll out a vaccine – any vaccine – let anyone who feels the need to take it, take it and let’s be done with it all.
So long as nobody is forced to take it. If all the government needs to wiggle out of this mess it to have a vaccine available so it feels it has done its job, I’m fine with that.
In fact, I would almost enjoy seeing droves of people clambering to get a vaccine that has been rushed through. It would be their just reward for what they’ve inflicted on the rest of us with their irrational anxiety.
Actually, one way out for the government would be to present a harmless substance as a vaccine and roll it out with great fan fare, claiming to have won the war on the virus. They could pretend they were heroes and stop inflicting harm on us all. Any deaths from the virus could easily be identified as some other cause, such as pneumonia or flu. However, this exit strategy would require them to know, and admit to themselves, that they have made a terrible mistake. I am not persuaded that people like Hancock have that much insight.
It would provide short term relief but what we need is for this whole thing to be established as what it was – mass hysteria
Otherwise it will keep happening
Starmer is even worse than the brown shirts in training.
I guess he will score points that way.
Ferguson comes for a lot of criticism – with very good reason – but what of our behavioural scientists? This country is a tinderbox. They have been abject. Have any of SAGE come out of this with any credit whatsoever?
The behavioural scientists were the ones who advised the government to increase people’s sense of personal fear.
Good point. The SPI-B shower literally disgust me. The Goebbels Brigade.
Is there ever a point in time when the behavioural scientists say ‘we’ve lost too many people and no amount of repression will bring them back’?
You’d like to think so. Useless idiots.
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/09/29/gates-disinformation-in-social-media.aspx
Yes, they have opened a Pandora’s Box which will take decades to close.
I don’t know all of the SAGE membership but don’t recall anything any of them have said that has been useful or honourable
No. And the fact that a Far Left extremist like Michie is on it, is quite incredible.
The fact that a supposedly conservative government thought that would be remotely sensible or even acceptable rather beggars belief. At least, it would for anyone so out of touch with reality that they still believe the “Conservative” Party has any actually conservative people in its senior hierarchy.
Stop obsessing.
Susan Michie given a platform on LBC earlier today. Oddly they introduced her as a “SAGE Scientist” but talking in a personal capacity.
She was quick to doom monger and blame it all on pubs and restaurants (and therefore commercial activity) ignoring the stats about universities and schools. Absolutely vile woman and an active communist championing lockdowns and massive state control.
She will probably become a “Dame” and end up in the lords.
Vile woman peddling lies and rubbish not backed by evidence
I just saw this post by her on Twitter. It seemed rather hypocritical to me!
https://twitter.com/SusanMichie/status/1310813659891982336
Hypocritical or dangerously disconnected from the reality that policies she advocates have contributed to this
“She is a member of the Communist Party of Britain (CPB), but donated to the Labour Party[15] under the Corbyn leadership. In March 2018, Michie, described as a leading member of the CPB, said that the party would no longer stand against Labour in general elections and CPB members should be “working full tilt” for the election of Corbyn as prime minister”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Michie
So I think we know enough.
Hello fellow sceptics
Please, please, please write to your MP to ask them to vote against the continuation of the Coronavirus Act tomorrow. The more of us who write, the more they will take notice.
It doesn’t have to be fancy or long or complicated. It’s a numbers game to show we, their constituents who pay their wages, are utterly p*ssed off.
Peter Hitchens has tweeted out some suggested wording, or here’s “one I made earlier”! Feel free to use.
Dear
There is a crucial vote in parliament tomorrow which, unless voted down, will allow this Government to continue its unfettered powers under the Coronavirus Act.
The Government’s actions are causing monumental damage to our lives, livelihoods and liberties.
It is the duty of an opposition party to challenge Governments and to hold them to account. To-date, in part due to the Act, this has not been done.
There is now significantly more data about the Sars-Cov2 than when the Coronovius Act was initially passed, notably on its treatability and survivability which mean that the draconian measures allowed by the Coronavirus Act must not be allowed to continue unchallenged.
I am therefore imploring you to vote against the continuation of the Act so that this Government is forced into being held to account for each of its new measure.
Yours sincerely
I wrote to mine and focused squarely on the fact he would be handing rule by decree over to a Boris Johnson government whom I know he despises. Yet to get a reply. He’s an MP from a Northern Ireland party.
Went to Nando’s for a quick lunch. Asked to wear a mask, said exempt but the girl on the door asked for proof..Told her that idol not one and if she ask me she will be breaking the law. She asked the manager who came over,apologised and said that she is new..Normally would not be so strick as she is only doing her job but I have on battle path since the last Gov stupidity..
Well done – we need to keep educating people about the Equality Act 2010 and the need not to provide details of why we won’t / can’t wear a mask.
See more details on nomasks.info
You are right. These people need to experience pushback. They are being encouraged by people in authority who do know better…they need to be made to feel that they are between the devil and the deep, and that enforcing stupidity is not a one way bet (to mix metaphors)
All new staff should be trained. She clearly was not, maybe on purpose?
That’s what I’ve long suspected with the staff that I’ve encountered. Its shocking that they don’t know anything about exemptions, the Equalities Act and GDPR.
I wonder – if you had offered to meet up with her for a socially distanced cuppa and help explain why they shouldn’t be mandatory (either from a scientific or human rights perspective) – would she have taken you up on it?
A lot of these people are just doing what seems like the responsible thing based on the propaganda they have seen.
I’m going to try this tactic next time, I’m not expecting I’ll have much luck but even if I get a 1/10 hit rate that’s better than nothing ha.
Just a reminder for those who may have missed my posts earlier in the week. I’m trying to encourage people to download, print and distribute literature to start making people sceptical. IMHO we need to do more than sit behind a keyboard.
My leaflet can be downloaded from the links below
Low Res JPG
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-bN6Q_x0VDXrMmYyV5VjfVs9Lmc5HLHF/view
High res pdf with 3mm bleed for printing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OHHkWPL7ga3f3CWmPJhtDvAE1EElHUH-/view
Any decent printing company should be able to print them.
I used
https://www.solopress.com/
(I have no association) who printed and sent me 500 very quickly for around £27
I personally just feel better from knowing I am actually doing something (and I know not that many may take notice) positive by putting these through people’s’ letter boxes.
This is an extract from my response from my MP Caroline Lucas.
I am not sure whether she will adhere to her promise not to vote for renewal, she has left herself wiggle room.
On vaccination, she is a bit behind the curve. Tobias Ellwood in the link Basics put up earlier, was talking about bringing in the army to do mass vaccinations. Again she is being disingenuous – mandatory in all but name, eh?
On September 30th, Parliament will be debating a motion relating to renewal of temporary provisions under Coronavirus Act 2020. My current position is that the powers the Coronavirus Act afforded the Government and various agencies etc have run their course and that time should be called on them. I will therefore be voting against its renewal, or for significant amendment, depending on the latest R rate and other scientific updates at the time.
On vaccination, there is nothing to suggest this will be mandatory, despite significant and dangerous misinformation to the contrary, and I would oppose such a move.
I will just put up Basics link again, for reference.
https://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/f9b43e59-b2a3-4d9e-ab6c-f9e3620128aa
Ellwood is on at 20.24
Thanks. Listening to it now.
Main points: Mobilise the military for the logistics of vaccinating the whole population. Will take a long time, perhaps a year to complete. In the meantime, run a two-tier society where those who have been vaccinated will want to live “normal lives” and those who haven’t will continue to suffer restrictions.
Britain will share its experience in vaccinating the entire population with the rest of the world so they can gain the benefit of her experience. The military needs authorisation soon so that they can begin to plan logistics. [I think he wants to head up this effort himself.]
I believe this is a true summary of what Ellwood says but obviously you might want to add or correct what I’ve said.
Me: Chilling. I live in his constituency. I know why he doesn’t respond to my emails.
I’d say that is promising
More than my Tory MP did – she flatly refused to rule out mandatory vaccinations
https://constitution-unit.com/2020/09/28/mps-are-right-parliament-has-been-sidelined/
Unbelievable MP Clip NO HOPE Bravo Kay Burley
This is truly pathetic. What hope is there? They’re utterly clueless…. This is some Government junior minister trying to explain government policy. obviously her junior minster’s salary, which can’ t be that much than a back bench MP is more important than the fate of the country
youtube com/watch?v=SkPjPyIs2Kk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkPjPyIs2Kk
Saw this on Twitter. Burley let the Minister get away with saying cases were doubling, even agreeing. That aside, decent effort.
I noticed early on that she just decided to be the opposite of Piers Morgan. Brown nosing ministers. I’m not sure if that is still the case.
I agree. Finishing her recent interview with Hancock with a laugh and “You’re doing a great job” said it all.
She should be spitting on the ground as he leaves
She needs to take the money, run the swab under the tap and film it, then if it comes back positive show how ridiculous the test is, if negative just pocket the money every month.
Oh for Fuck’s Sake!!
You and Yours, Radio 4 phone-in.
“Universities are the new Care Homes of the Second Wave.”
Oh please.
I give up.
Oh that shit again. How many students are elderly and/or immunocompromised? And of this tiny minority, how many will be on campus? Unis just really want moonshot.
What whopper said that? That is an insult to both old and young
Deeply offensive in every possible way
The UCU started this catchphrase.
It would be impossible for me to overstate my contempt for my union, UCU.
I see the three stooges are to give a press conference tomorrow. Vallance will no doubt raise Boris a grand, but I suspect Whitty will win the hand – coqs down.
Oh for fuck sake. More doom and gloom. Can’t take much more of this.
On the day they extend their emergency powers by another 6 fucking months.
As I posted last night from Nature – vaccine is not gonna magic bullet this bullshit away & even dropping my daughter at school has become me v the world. Everyone in a mask in the play ground except me !!!
Maybe I am the insane one.
Any chance anyone will get to probe their last lot of lies?
No you’re definitely the sane one, what depresses me is mums buying fashion accessory masks! And matching ones for the kids. Now that is insane, I hope that when they realise these disgusting things cost more in the long run than tissues and soap!
stay strong.
Another fear blast to stop the rebellion?
Great. Another clown show. Cases have now been falling for the past 3 days but what have the facts got to do with anything? No doubt they will have come up with even more ways to make our lives even more miserable.
Deaths have been falling for five days. More relevant statistic to sane people.
Again? Any idea why? Can’t see how they could justify lockdown this week if they didn’t last week…
It’s to offer a profuse apology to the British people for denying us of our rights and freedoms established for thousands of years, to apologise to schoolchildren for denying them an education, to the elderly for denying them the chance to see their families and loved ones, sometimes in their last few days here with us, and to announce severe punishment for politicians, town hall and educational jobs worths who imposed these stupid restrictions. So I believe.
I’m wondering what the Creative Graph Drawing department will come up with next.
In my wilder fantasies I hope Boris will do a Trump and say “You’re fired!”. Shame that won’t happen.
Be good if it was their resignations then honourable seppuku the traditional way or taken off in handcuffs for trial for treason.
https://twitter.com/libertyhq/status/1310907535373803520?s=20
What a great way to use our tax money.
Sorry, I mean the tax money of our great-grandchildren…
Gomes succeeded to get her study printed
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.26.20202267v1.full.pdf
Trajectory of COVID-19 epidemic in Europe
“Models that allow for heterogeneity favour build-up of herd immunity rather than non-pharmaceutical interventions as the main factor underlying the early slowing and reversal of the COVID-19 epidemic in Europe. This is consistent with observations that epidemic curves in many countries reached a peak less than two months after the first few severe cases appear”“Because the model is fitted to observed deaths, the estimates of cumulative numbers infected and herd immunity threshold depend on the values pre-specified for infection fatality ratios. Specifying an average infection fatality ratio of 0.3% gives an estimated herd immunity threshold of 15%.”“One objection that has been raised to estimates that herd immunity thresholds for COVID-19 are less than 20% is that far higher infection rates have been reached in local hotspots such as Manaus . However country-level herd immunity thresholds as estimated here are not likely to be homogeneous over every locality. In hotspots where the basic reproduction numberR0 is higher than the population average, the herd immunity threshold and overshoot of this threshold will be correspondingly higher, with or without heterogeneity”
The big difference between Gomes and others is that she thinks herd immunity stop the transmission but the other group quoting a higher herd immunity level necessary, thinks that lockdown stopped the pandemic worst outcome.Lockdown fanatics (like Fauci) can never accept lower herd immunity because that would imply that lockdown had no effect.
Interestingly, at the same time another important publication of the C-19 trajectory in certain poor third world countries with remarkable low death rate. These are signs that the pandemic has petered out in these countries and very different from situation in western world. Herd immunity seemed to have been reached. The investigators are just following ordinary modelling and applying them to observed curves and serology is not included in the study.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.26.20201814v1.full.pdf
Evolution of COVID-19 cases in selected low-and middle-income countries: past the herd immunity peak?
“We have studied the evolution of COVID-19 in 12low-and middle-income countries in which reported cases have peaked and declined rapidly in the past 2-3 months. In most of these countries the declines happened while control measures were consistent or even relaxing, and without signs of significant increases in cases that might indicate second waves. For the 12 countries we studied, the hypothesis that these countries have reached herd immunity warrants serious consideration.”“The results suggest that between 51 and 80% of the population in these countries have been infected, and that between 0.05% and 2.50% of cases have been detected –values which are consistent with findings from serological and T-cell immunity studies. The infection rates, combined with data and estimates for deaths from COVID-19, allow us to estimate overall infection fatality rates for three of the countries. The values are lower than expected from reported infection fatality rates by age, based on data from several high-income countries, and the countries populations by age.”
This study uses the traditional calculation of high herd immunity required for that reproduction number. They don’t get into seroprevalence studies in these countries (which sometimes have been quite high).
So interesting to see how this article will be reconciled,if possible, with the first article.But still bad news for lockdown fanatics as these third world countries in some places did not have SD or lockdown at all. Some of them had lockdown, but all had the same outcome.
Thanks for that posting, swedenborg.
Initially, I felt that Karl Friston’s modelling of contributory variables, and his identification of the ‘dark matter’ issue (i.e complex, unndetermined interactions affecting differential Covid-19 progression across countries) was promising.
However, that was back in June, and I’ve seen nothing since – ????
Have you seen Hendrick Streeck and Soo Aleman’s work? I feel there isn’t a specific percentage, and that we need to be compounding multiple things that sit in ranges. I.e. Ig-A antibodies might provide short-lived but highly effective and highly specific immunity – whereas less specific antibodies might offer a lower level of protection… but that those less specific antibodies might cause things to go bad when the immune system is functioning badly and effectively cause the body to attack itself in the worst case.
I know it’s old news but on looking again at ‘Event 201’ held in New York 18th Oct 2019. Involving the John Hopkins Centre, World Economic Forum, and the ubiquitous B&M Gates Foundation, (simulation of a Novel Zoonotic Corona virus pandemic) the actual scenario, looks remarkably similar to current events…Probably just a coincidence, I mean they do happen, don’t they?..
The Lockstep scenario in May 2010 as well:
This is JUST a scenario. lol
Nothing to see here.
This again!
It would be remiss of governments not to plan for the eventuality of a global plague!
I am sure that many of the procedures and imposed restrictions have indeed been planned in advance.
The problem is that this is not a global plague. They pressed the “nuclear” button by mistake!
Everybody who wants to minimise event 201 says this, “well its natural that these people would plan for a pandemic, that is all it was, a planning thing”. Yes they planned this pretty well. The panning exercise went live and its not the only time this has happened either.
Watch: Bumbling Boris Can’t Understand His OWN Rules
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qO4Xs9faGTw
Eric Clapton is asking to warm himself by the fire with Van?
Glad to see it. Waiting for other musicians to realise that their careers are over unless this ends – and then say something.
Leaving aside the question of motives, I have found it remarkable how completely ice cold and devoid of empathy all the public figures worldwide have been whenever they have addressed us regarding the policies they are imposing. They are not even attempting to give the slightest appearance of caring, or of offering any kind of hope for the future. Even the worst dictators of the 20th century made empty promises to their people. This shabby lot have dispensed with the pretence of saying they are working for the public good altogether. In this regard, if no other, they are at least being honest with us.
Totally agree. There seems to be such a pervasive pessimism in the way they speak to us.
I know it is possible to look at Boris and think he is just an over-educated idiot hopelessly out of control of events, but can every world leader be the same?
Are they all clueless idiots blindly following emperor Xi’s plan?
Or are they in on his evil plan?
Their actions make no sense unless it is a conspiracy.
I think, in all honesty, it’s not every other world leader that’s acting this way. Having been in Germany in the past month the level of hysteria v U.K. is noticeably less. Yes there is some measures (face coverings indoors) that annoy. But overall there is some measure. I hear the same applies in Netherlands as another example. And even states in the US are acting a bit more grow up now. I suspect we just keep hearing about those that match as that supports the narrative. In absolute fairness even China is no longer acting the clown like we seem intent on doing.
Seems there’s a good reason for discouraging foreign travel.
… but it isn’t for the good of the nation.
Fair observation. Ron DeSantis in Florida being a prime example. He has straight up admitted that lockdown was an unmitigated disaster and will never happen again on his watch. He even rescinded the state wide mask mandate (although he will need to go to work on his local government officials to make this a reality).
Zealots absolutely hate him for achieving less mortality than New York despite the larger and older popualation.
This is a feature of all the virtue signallers that is a dead giveaway of their true nature. They get upset when death figures go down because it doesn’t fit their narrative. Psychopathy of the highest order.
Floridians tend to be older but extremely health conscious.
True to an extent but Netherlands is supposed to introducing the 10pm closing time (after the great success here?) and China already has the social credit system and one party rule they don’t need to impose them.
It can’t be that only Belarus, Brazil, South Dakota, Sweden and Tanzania have leaders with a clue
Irrespective of why this is being done, it is still astonishing that our so-called political and social leaders have completely dispensed with the veneer of trying to build a better society and future. They simply do not care, and in many cases are openly relishing the misery they are inflicting (think of Bill Gates giggling like a teenage girl when being asked about the economic suffering being inflicted worldwide by the Covid measures). If I was directing a conspiracy I would make damn sure that my PR department was working in overdrive to cover my tracks and provide plausible deniability.
We are all just statistics to them. Numbers on a page no more. They have zero appreciation on the actual affect on people’s lives their actions are having and simply don’t care.
Not sure I quite buy the Government line on all this.
Classic, ‘The Thick of It’ moment this morning on The Today Programme on BBC Radio 4 when the clueless minister didn’t know whether people from different households could mix in a pub garden! I could just picture Malcolm Tucker ranting & raving outside the glass & the witless minister looking terrified as her career vapourised in front of her…… but then she, apparently hadn’t got the answer later on in other interviews!!!! The utter incompetence of these people is remarkable.
The chart will also look different if it start on 1 April and not at the lowest point of infections
Yes, you’re absolutely right. Playing games with charts has a long and dishonourable history.
You mistake me for a covid denier. I think it’s real enough but the response is out of all proportion to the threat, that the steps taken won’t make a lot of difference to the outcome, that the vaccine will take a long time to arrive and when/if it does is unlikely to be more than 50% effective & will create some post vaccine problems for some people. That the consequential results in terms of blood and treasure will be far more costly to society than the virus ever would be.
You need to change the scales – it doesn’t look scary enough how you’ve done it.
0-1000000 on the positive tests, 0-300 on the hospitalisations will do it though nicely.
I’m having my worst day so far. Wasn’t physically or mentally capable of driving youngest to school this morning and I’m only just out of bed.
Sorry to hear that! Horrible to see what they’re doing to people. I guess that’s the downside of being intelligent and seeing through the silliness, hope you feel better soon.
I have been there and I know how that feels. Whatever it takes mate. Get up and get out. You are not alone. Take care and remember your kids need you more than you will ever know.
Your reaction is one among many.
These bastards – whether incompetent or conspiratorial – deserve to be brought to book.
Don’t let the b@stards get you down.
Take a break from the news,and find something to take your mind off it, like a book, or movie, or some comedy on YouTube, mostly anything pre-2016 when it all went kablooey.
You’re not alone and there’s finally some more serious pushback. It will end, nothing is forever, and if the Tories feel threatened in the ballot box they’ll dump Boris and Hancock like an over-ripe turd.
I understand, I barely feel like doing anything most days. But your family matters infinitely more than all this, don’t let it get in the way of them.
Mate a lot of us have been there or are going through the same and I know how hard it can be to see through the fug and find any positives. I find simple things like exercise do help or looking at how nature around us is just getting on with life. Even with the masked Wombles everywhere I find it reassuring when the roads are busy as signs that most people are carrying on as normal. There’s a house behind me with builders working on an extension, just working away with the radio on laughing and joking with each other. So if you can find a bit of normality anywhere just focus on that.
Most of the Twitter/ social media lock down zealots are just knobheads. The sort of virtue signalling idiots who like to make themselves feel superior. I’d avoid them and the usual media channels if you can. We can all make a difference in our limited way if even just to give support and recognise that there are many others who share the same views.
Don’t let the bastards grind you down.
Big Al declares victory (courtesy of theblogmire)
Three days later: 2 new Covid cases, fresh lockdown imminent.
2023 is incredibly optimistic…
According to the ONS, deaths for week 38 (ending 18 Sep) of 2020:-
Total: 9523 (down from 9811 prev. week, up from 8945 5Y average)
‘flu/pneumonia: 1197 (up from 1125 prev. week)
COVID-19: 139 (up from 99 prev. week)
‘flu/pneumonia:COVID-19 ratio is just over 8.6:1 (11.4:1 prev. week), COVID-19 mentions as a proportion of all-cause deaths: 1.46% (prev. week 1%), ‘flu/pneumonia: 12.57% (prev. week 11.47%). Looks like a seasonal respiratory infection rise to me. Why are those nosophobic of COVID-19 not getting referred to psych. yet???
source: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending18september2020
Just looking at the overall picture of all-cause mortality up to the latest ONS data (Wk. 38)
You can see that the short sharp rise after the bank holiday recording blip clearly illustrates the folly of those ‘exponential’ scare stories based on a non-indicative uptick.
Of course – what we all knew : since the April spike, mortality has been trundling along at totally unexceptional levels, even gauged by recent years of generally low mortality.
The stark divergence between the government measures and reality is starker than ever..
Yes, the fact that Swedish cases are rising despite no change in regulations certainly suggests nothing more than a mild seasonal effect.
And from 15th October the 50 person limit for gatherings in Sweden is being lifted to allow 500 under certain circumstances: https://twitter.com/jhnhellstrom/status/1310883959765635072
NB: This IN SPITE OF a small rise in cases and hospitalisations!
Take note, Boris and Hancock! (though doubt they will…)
And MSM, what was that about forthcoming local lockdowns in Sweden?????
Well the respect for “key workers” didn’t last long!
My husband is an HGV driver who takes household waste for incineration at power stations – so both keeping rubbish off the streets and keeping the lights on. He’s also been an asthmatic since the age of 7. To add to that a failed sinus operation left him largely unable to breathe through his nose. He doesn’t wear a mask for practical reasons as much as political.
At his regular sandwich shop today he was waiting unmasked at the counter for his order when a range rover pulled up. A young masked woman got out and walked into the shop and immediately started berating my Hubbie for not being masked “I bet you think you’re above the rest of us! Don’t you care about killing people?”. My husband laconically observed “you can’t be that scared of covid if you’re prepared to stand in my toes to yawp at me duck”.
She then demanded to see the manager who said “He’s exempt”. So she then demanded my husband show her his exemption card (I did get him one on a lanyard but he refuses to carry it). She stormed out threatening to call the police.
Coincidentally or not, 5 minutes later a police car pulled up. The cops ordered tea and sat at a table unmasked completely ignoring my husband.
Another example of how civility, mutual respect and minding your own damn business have been trashed by this dreadful government.
What’s the difference between a range rover and a hedgehog?
A hedgehog has pricks on the outside
Indeed! Being a lockdown sceptic is like fucking a hedgehog: one prick working against thousands! Boom!
no – thats the mushroom syndrome .. Kept in the dark and fed horseshit
Brilliant: Insecurity takes many forms.
The demise of “Be kind” was on 24th July.
“Be Kind” was only used by virtual signallers to demonstrate their moral superiority on antisocial media. They never intended to practice it.
Did your husband (or anyone else) make a note of the registration plate? This will be useful information for the parade of collaborators.
Yes, let’s start to make a ‘list’…and pull it out at the Truth and Reconciliation Commission that is going to be needed when (if) this ends.
You can’t reason with fools. I have no patience with people who blindly follow their new religion. It’s wasted breath. Also the idea of key workers is a bit of a misnomer. Some jobs are more important than others but for anyone who earns a crust their job is key for them and their families. Except politicians – they can do one.
Personally I won’t ever forgive or forget politicians for this smashing of civilisation. I’m lucky that where we live is not too bad and aware that this kind of nasty self declared policing will eventually get here too.
I won’t ever forgive or forget all those who have supported them either. We all need to make sure that everyone we encounter like this that we can identify is recorded. They cannot and must not go unpunished.
Yes! We MUST record all those who either took part in smashing society or who enthusiastically supported their disgusting behaviour. They MUST NOT be allowed to slide away when the edifice comes crashing down, bleating “It wasn’t me, I didn’t know”.
All quislings must face the music afterwards; we have all had to endure the inquisitions at the pub entrances, the bleatings online, the nasty looks and snide remarks of passers-by. Soon it will be our turn, and “zen vee vill examine our list.”
Well said, and of course if you drive a range rover, your life is far more important than your husband doing his important job and working to feed his family; ” Honestly, some of these lower class people!”
Was there much of an age difference twixt the Range Rover woman and your husband? – you describe her as being young.
The slight run in I had the other day was with someone younger than me – alas 90% of the population is now probably younger than me! And I thought afterwards how odd it was – the virus is more of a threat to my existence than it is to the chap berating me.
Berating the less vulnerable for not considering the vulnerability of the more vulnerable has some logic. But berating the more vulnerable for not being more considerate of the less vulnerable has much less logic. It is like asking the vulnerable to do unto others what they clearly don’t want done unto themselves.
Well done to your husband for standing up for himself and for the manager for backing him up. The arrogance of that woman was breathtaking, the last few years and especially this crisis has really thrust daylight into human nature and revealing it to be like the picture of Dorian Gray.
This incident and my two run ins makes me wonder, it seems to be the women doing the shaming and “policing” regarding muzzles. Why? If anything this confirms to me that all the blathering about sisterhood, female solidarity and women supporting other women are all lies. And I say this as a woman.
North West Essex, eh? I used to live in Braintree. Whereabouts is your cafe??
I am truly sorry for the unwarranted persecution you are receiving Kh,I know what it’s like to have a business that is being treated like that,it’s an awful situation to be in.If I lived nearer I would come and knock a few heads together,if you catch my drift !,that’s how I feel about all this madness now !.
And that’s how you know you are right and they are wrong. Easy for me to say, I know, but KBO.
Tory MP Mark Harper Calls Out Boris Johnson Secretly Passing New Criminal Business Laws At Midnight for businesses
Not following the exact procedures is now a criminal offence for businesses
truly frightening
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et9iPgf3930
youtube /watch?v=et9iPgf3930
Yes, I do. A pub in my town.
Disappointing to see the comments from Boris about people expect to retrain ASAP for new jobs. He’s basically saying things will never be the same again and I still don’t accept that. What about clubs and theatres? Are they seriously saying they will no longer exist?
What new jobs are those then? We all going to retrain as Covid Wombles?
Quite – all this will achieve is to keep a few off the unemployment figures, doubtless at great expense and with little achieved.
Covid Wombles – very funny!
Just heard from my sister in Montreal. They are in lockdown for 28 days starting October 1st. No bars, restaurants etc. What are the odds we will be the same?
Probably safe to assume that everything Boris/Doris says or ever will say will be disappointing, then you won’t be disappointed.
Clubs & theatres = prime real estate. This is a good way to ensure that the super rich can buy up these assets that have real value when the finally allow the fiat currency to topple.
Today I observed a woman, who obviously believed the face mask propaganda – she exhorted the person she was with to wear his mask properly. Whilst having a conversation, she pulled down her mask every time she wished to speak and pulled it back up to listen. Touching the mask, touching her face, over and over.
True Darwinism
True bedwetting idiocy.
same as making sure you are wearing your seatbelt and sounding your horn as you drive at speed down the pavement.
Hope Parliament can get rid of Johnson asap, he’s been corrupted by Blair and Cummings, their useful idiot so it seems, and it makes you wonder what they’ve got on him.
Corrupted by Gates as well..
Might be worth looking for provable possible previous links between Cummings and Gates..
London faces bleak future without £5bn cash boost, says Sadiq Khan
“I remember what it was like 20 years ago… unreliable services, old-fashioned ticketing system and lack of coordination. We must not return to the bad old days.”
Just like what the rest of the country puts up with?
London faces
bleak future without £5bn cash boostutter ruin unless all this nonsense ends, right now.That’s better.
“London faces bleak future as long as I am the Mayor. Now cover your disgusting faces with a gimp nappy and take the knee you worthless slaves.”
How about he stops begging the government to shut the damn city down??
“London needs £5b cash boost”
“We must shut down the economy.”
I wonder if these two positions might be related.
Do politicians now believe that work and the economy are just things people do for a laugh?
The man is Mayor of a region that generates 30% of all UK tax. He could energise the city but what does he do?
Yap and complain
Khan has utterly destroyed London. Shocking to see what a shit hole my home of more than 30 years has become. Victoria is like a big open sewer.
A suitable successor to Mr Toad, indeed.
Oh dear, what a pity, who gives a fuck?
Other than cramming in more people into less space what’s the difference between London and every other place in the UK run by incompetent enemies of the people I mean councils (at local market today, not one stall holder has a good word to say about our local council),
Join the rest of the country then numbnuts.
Doesn’t he realise that he’s responsible for London’s current dire situation.
And as for the bad old days, Khan is ensuring that we will return to those days. Possibly further into the Stone Age.
Its nothing to do with a low mortality virus is it?
No. I no longer believe in incompetence, panic, or a mass nervous breakdown. This is deliberate.
Me neither, I keep getting a vision of a photo a while ago of Johnson’s dad sitting with one of the top Chinese ministers, laughing, makes you wonder
Never saw that – please post link or pic if possible…
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/genocide-inside-bizarre-rise-coronavirus-100057510.html
I absolutely hate Yahoo. They & the government mouthpiece the BBC have been the worst for the fear mongering throughout this whole shameful shit.
Now, it’s “conspiracy theories”
Utter cunts.
“The worry, ultimately, is that, as oddball as this stuff is, it appears to be gaining traction with a wider audience, spilling over into mainstream thought and contaminating both reasonable debate about coronavirus and trust in evidence-based science”
Not at all like you can change sex if you were born in the wrong body and will be socially cancelled (J.K.Rowling) or even get a visit from the police to “check your thinking” if you disagree, which is also completely unsupported by evidence-based science?
And funny how the actual CEBM, evidence based medicine, is sidelined and ignored by the government, and practicing doctors who try to tell the public a different viewpoint (eg use of hydroxychloroquine) are silenced by Big Tech. That’s just fine, and not at all part of a conspiracy to silence dissent at all. Ooh, no.
So my son has been at college for 3 weeks, he’s doing about 5 hours tuition a week at best (keeping a record for me) and now they’ve thrown a stupid BLM questionaire at his class!
Anyone know what the legal footing is for pupils who refuse to do these ridiculous indoctrination courses? I’ve told him to bite his lip for now and take screenshots for me as I didn’t want him kicked off although he’s not exactly learning anything much anyway.
I’m going to email the Principle to complain and reiterate BLM’s sick “Mission Statement” to them but i’d like to know what kind of legal footing we’d be stood on if they tried to exclude my son from college for refusing any more woke gobbledegook.
Any ideas?
First question, can the questionnaire be completed anonymously?
He had to provide some details yes. He only gave his first name but there’s 3 with the same name on the course so it wouldn’t take the Stasi very long regardless.
For the legal footing, I suggest you contact the Free Speech Union, having joined first.
Good idea. Think i’m a member already. I’ve certainly made a few donations recently.
I would be fascinated to see the questions if you think you’re able to share.
I will do yeah. I’ll get them off my son’s PC later and post them in a new thread on here
Tory MP Mark Harper Calls Out Boris Johnson Secretly Passing New Criminal Business Laws At Midnight for businesses
Not following the exact procedures is now a criminal offence for businesses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et9iPgf3930
Truly frightening
Well done Mr Harper, he is my MP and it’s good to see him standing up for us. I’ve emailed him today.
We’re all criminals now.
where can we see this documented – what constitutes a criminal offence? I am going to my barbers tomorrow .. He probably isnt aware of this
Some journalists are seriously out of touch. LBCs Sheila Fogarty just hung up a caller with the cry that flu does not kill 45,000 people.
She is repeating the line that 350 NHS workers died of CV-19. No context. Just presented to the caller that to question lockdown was essentially dismissing their lives as worthless.
Total emotional blackmail
She’s correct, flu killed over 50,000 people in the winter of 2017/18 :).
Daily Mail, Feb. `18
Killer flu outbreak is to blame for a 42% spike in deaths in January after 64,000 people died – the highest number since records began
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-5440785/Killer-flu-outbreak-blame-42-spike-deaths.html
You may have read me wrong. Fogarty made the claim when in fact flu has killed many more in tbe past
I think FlynnQuill is sarcastically pointing out that Sheila is wrong (obviously attempting to imply that flu is not so deadly) by being correct (flu did kill more than 45000 a few years ago).
Ha. Got it
Sadly, this is a reflection of the poor general standard of journalism. It is excruciatingly bad.
Remember Sheila Fogarty is a long term BBC presenter.
Yes . they all follow the journalistic template of the original BBC presenter, Anne Droid
What is the difference between a supermarket trolley and a BBC presenter?
A supermarket trolley has a mind of its own
Another excellent reason for not ever tuning in to listen to that horrible woman.
No comment
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjFWCVgXkAE15rH?format=jpg&name=small
“Himmler calls for better travelling conditions for deportees.”
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjFX9yMWkAApAfG?format=jpg&name=small
The only thing I’d change is “government need to do LESS TO young people.” And the rest of us.
What? She is part of the CAUSE of the problem…
Exactly, an utter lack of self awareness.
Isn’t Susan Michie one of the reasons for all this?
A general strike against further lockdowns?
To have a general strike, you have to have general support.
You also need something to disrupt by striking….oh wait, everything is shut down anyway.
Yep, nose/spite/face.
and a job
And employment!
So nut job Nazi, Boris, doesn’t know what the restrictions are that his gauleiter in the North East are set to impose on the hapless and the hopeless this evening. No surprise there. Never mind. I am sure Reichsmarschall Hancock has mastered the detail..oh, wait…
Sent a message of support to Desmond Swayne MP just now.
Within minutes a short and succinct “Thank You” came back.Not an autoreply either but a real e-mail message.
Not much but proves he read it.
More than my own bloody MP has.
I bet he’s had thousands of emails. Good of him to send even a short reply.
back benchers like him are good constituency MPs. Not on the greasy pole, nothing to prove , not tied up with government or opposition business .
I got a “many thanks” – like you, more than my own MP. And certainly more action than my own.
Just did the same. Made sure to point out I am not exactly his target demographic in normal times but that he is on the right side of history
Desmond Swayne has probably been overwhelmed with emails since his speech yesterday!
I emailed him half an hour after reading your message, giving him what I hope are useful bits of information and links to helpful sources etc, and he also replied to me in person ‘Thanks D’. I’m impressed.
I’ve sent a couple of emails to my MP, and not even had an automated acknowledgement.
I got one too. Within minutes. nothing like my own MP
This advent we should all gather in large groups and sing Christmas carols, loud and enthusiastically.
I hate Christmas but I’d join in.
Christmas time here, by golly
Disapproval would be folly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtZR3lJobjw
Has this been posted?
Julia HB eviscerating Helen Whatley, who talks a load of bollox.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc-Ynrw_3Pc
She is going up in my estimation of her as a journalist.
Yes. She has clearly examined the evidence and comes very well prepared.
Just a quick snippet. We’ve heard lots about how there are heaps of money involved with the new Covid19 industry (which seems to be an unstoppable force at the moment), so now that the normal company financial updates are starting to come out, we can start to see this actually happening.
So lets pick Novacyt (also use brand ‘Primerdesign) are (or were) a small clinical diagnostics company who are delighted with rapidly winning huge contracts to be providing many of the PCR tests for Covid19. They have had a bumper 6 months to 30 June 2020.
Here is the link to their half year results 30 June 2020.
https://www.sharesmagazine.co.uk/news/market/7086268/Half-year-2020-results
You can see that the CEO Graham Mullis is well chuffed.
“Graham Mullis, Group CEO of Novacyt, commented: ” The first half of 2020 has been transformational for Novacyt, delivering sales growth of more than 900%. The significantly strengthened cashflow has enabled us to also settle all outstanding debt. The Company’s market leading position in COVID-19 PCR testing has resulted in an increased customer base and a reputation for innovation and high performance of our products , enabling us to forge a number of strategic partnerships.
Yes. Transformational indeed! – The line that makes Graham very happy is at the bottom of one of the tables
“Profit / (Loss) after tax attributable to the owners profit of 40,195,000 Euros (2020) , compared to loss of (1,994,000) Euros (2019)
Nice (or not, depending on your point of view) to see some people are enjoying this……so a loss making company now turning over a huge profit supported by very enthusiastic governments and obviously the WHO (remember ‘Test, Test, Test??)
We are not the ones living the lie. It’s much worse for us because we can see it and all the people that have fallen for it.
Has the Government harvested people’s mobile phone numbers from GPs in violation of GDPR? Looks that way. Did someone take it or did my GP release it. I haven’t given my permission. It is only for the GP practice to use. I note that Simon Stevens NHS CE said the app was a Govt app not an NHS app so my email has been shared outside the NHS has it? Even worse. Angry. Will complain to my GP FWIW.
Lockdown statues didn’t apply to government officials, what makes you think GDPR will?
There is no rule of law.
Damn right. The rule of law ended in the UK on 23rd March, We all need to stop kidding ourselves that it still exists.
I queried with my GP as i received an email from T&T on Saturday
They are equally concerned .. Their reply to me was
,”Could you possibly forward the email you received from NHS Track & Trace to us ?Though the email is out of our control and we are not responsible for giving out the information we are quite interested in the actual mechanics of these emails – is it a hack, how are they obtaining the information ? – if it is indeed NHS England. We would like to bring it up at a CCG meeting tomorrow to see if we can shed any light on it for you”
It does seem that NHS may have a central database – i have probably given my email in relation to previous treatments but they may also be augmenting with details from GPs
I know how this has been done, and it is not from your GP at all.
In fact I know that it can’t have originated from my GP surgery because that is done through text messaging not e-mail. My GP surgery hasn’t got my e-mail address.
Do you order repeat prescriptions, make appointments etc electronically?
My GP used one system until earlier this year when they switched to the NHS app, which gives you access to your NHS services (repeat prescriptions, appointments and other information.
When you register for this you have to put in your e-mail address, in fact that is your login name.
I suspected that possibility. I have written to EMISHealth directly asking them if they gave out my eMail adress. I await a reply.
Depressing reply from my (Tory) MP, who I wrote to again about extending the emergency powers.
“Thank you for your email and giving me your views.
Most people agree with the latest measures brought forward by the Government with a large number wanting them to go further – https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2020/09/23/brits-support-new-lockdown-rules-many-think-they-d This matches the views I get from my constituents.
Discussions are still ongoing on what will be brought forward with the Coronavirus Act renewal tomorrow in terms of further Parliamentary scrutiny. I will consider any amendments chosen by the Speaker and the extension of the Act on merit, after listening to both constituents and the debate.”
Perhaps you could ask him how many jobs he’s happy to see destroyed before he starts thinking about what he’s doing.
What will be the subject of tomorrow’s press conference? Will they admit that cases are not doubling every 7 days as demonstrated by yesterday’s figures vs those from the Monday before?
Cases have doubled, because they haven’t. Anyone who claims otherwise is a Covid denier. More lockdowns now!
Or it’ll be “the latest interventions have worked, but we can’t be complacent”
Indeed, masks work because science, so let’s mandate them everywhere to keep the downward trend going. But the numbers are still doubling really, it’s just that the line is invisible. If we don’t wear masks everywhere, 20 million people are going to die tomorrow.
Yes, all quite true!
When this all began I asked my friend if she had any spare beds so I could move in with the sane people.
She’s a psychiatric nurse
Every one has to download the app or risk a £1,000 fine.
I’d say that’s being let off lightly. Let’s make it punishable by a custodial sentence of no less than 5 years.
No they do a prison sentence only fixed penalty fines because they know it would never stand up in court
Posted below by Sir Patrick Vaccine, but very important and worth reposting. Tories sneak in laws criminalising resistance to coronapanic laws, and powers for petty local authority bullies, pcso’s and other jumped up little brownshirt wannabees to use force to enforce coronapanic nonsense. What could possibly go wrong? This is what will result in scenes such as have been seen in Victoria, on our streets.
There should be outrage, not least about the way this has been brought in.
Tory MP Mark Harper Calls Out Boris Johnson Secretly Passing New Criminal Business Laws At Midnight
4:20 “There are also measures in here which give the power of using reasonable force to enforce self-isolation not just to police officers and pcsos but also to any individual appointed by the Secretary of State, and also employees of local authorities, supposedly these “covid marshalls”.
5:44 “I would urge ministers to make those steps to make sure laws are better scrutinised”
Well Mr Harper, that’s actually your responsibility, not the government’s. You can and should be voting down the CV Act renewal in order to make that happen. Anything else is negligence on your part.
or given the comment by Sir Patrick Vaccine on here (and his reference to new laws) . any business or employee that has been accused of a crime for not following the rules
The Mad Monk feat Laurel and Hardy tomorrow eve prime time bbc viewing. Every time these three clowns get together its at least another 500,000 jobs lost and dreams destroyed.Go, just go.
It will be made a criminal offence to use the NHS for any treatments other than Covid.
A Dr Jake Suett is doing the media circuit talking about being a sufferer of “long covid”.
I will put a link to a clip up later, but seems he is more PR for covid than doctor.
we need a different service. NHS for normal stuff and some ‘plague hospitals’ for infectious diseases. different buildings and budgets. lets not murder another 20k from missed cancer diagnoses. Prof Tom Jefferson was suggesting something similar in the summer.
Mark Harper, good points made yesterday:
…. The regulations, which came into force at midnight last night and which were only published, or made, at five o’clock yesterday, contain some very serious powers that were not in the statements made to Parliament last week. ….. There are duties that are put on employers that create criminal offences both for the company and for individual managers in that company. I do not know how many businesses in this country are aware of the fact that these duties have now just landed on them—I would hazard very few.
…. Those are all questions that no one in this House has been able to ask a Minister, because the regulations came into force last night. They have to be debated within 28 days, but that could be a month away and it could happen after they have been amended several times, as we have seen with other regulations. I do not think that is the right way to make the criminal law and introduce important sanctions in a democracy.
The changes were announced last week. Like my hon. Friend the Member for Wycombe, I do not buy the idea that there was no time between last week and this week when they could have been debated. When the Government want to, they can change the business of the House rapidly. They can also arrange for the House to sit rapidly. I urge Ministers to take those steps to make sure that these laws are better scrutinised.
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2020-09-28/debates/D4275E96-C0FB-49CA-8031-E8B3F4C8B680/Covid-19#contribution-3160F0B6-9BB0-4CC4-8B92-75A1409BD730
Just thinking of the bingo card for tomorrow’s Clown Show:
“Growing”
“Exponentially”
“Doubling”
“Worrying”
“Vital”
“Critical”
“Circuit-break”
“R rate”
“Complacency”
“Responsibility”
“Six weeks behind France”
“Until there’s a vaccine”
“Face”
“Test”
“Trace”
“Army”
“Police”
“Enforce”
“Back-fill”
MW and AG
Good thinking about “Six weeks behind France” they have got to have something about 6 in there.
6 feet
6 weeks
6 in a group
6 weeks behind France
Fits nicely
Well it can’t be Spain anymore after their likely peak and then data revision.
and soon we will all be six feet under
I suspect they’ll add up all the numbers on the bingo card, and multiply them to the power of 6 (seems to be their fixation) to get the new projected infection rate. House! And not only the house but pubs, bars, restaurants, workplaces, vehicles, bee hives… shut them all!
Of course, Bees spread Covid! The last wave coincided with an exponential increase in bee mobility!
“As the nights draw in and temperatures drop, we must be prepared for the looming twin deadly threats of both Seasonal Influenza and Coronavirus. And the first line of our defence against Coronavirus is track and trace. It is every citizen’s individual responsibility to download the app. Today!
Our second defence is the flu vaccine. NOW is the time to act. Contact your health provider to ensure that you are protected by the flu vaccine as soon as possible.”
..plus assorted general blandishments about; ‘prevent NHS overload’, ‘in this together’, ‘loved ones’, ‘saving Christmas’ etc etc.
And maybe a couple of random military metaphors for good measure.
“Comply or die”
Uptick
Direct question: “Anyone presenting to hospital with a broken leg or heartbattack who is subsequently tested positive for Covid and are asymptomatic, are they counted as a Covid hospitalization?”
Direct answer : “Yes, they are”
The Irish Covid Committee. The chair MacNamara had been a vocal critic of the lockdown measures but has only made for good sound bites so far. He’s a lone wolf among politicians in Ireland
https://youtu.be/4ZolPvWW8oo
Quite an admission. And the only way to get the death “with COVID” denotified is via an inquest which I assume is pretty rare. So how many of the deaths are we talking about?
MacNamara is doing well but needs more support.
Excellent link BeBop, this could be dynamite if the public get access.
Just to avoid the lame counter-argument of “it must only apply to Ireland”, do we have any further supporting evidence on record for the UK?
Have they any evidence it doesn’t?
which is the same as the UK which is why the daily hospitalisation figures are meaningless
I emailed my Tory(not that it makes any difference as 99 % of them are in denial) MP on Sunday putting the Sceptic case and asking him to vote against extending the CV lockdown laws and as of now have heard “Zilch,F××K All,Didley squat,etc”
The right honourable member for Ludlow; INDEED.
Ditto from their town council for a few weeks now.
Total silence.
I suppose his majority of 23,000 plus has made him unable to get one of his minions to reply to my reasonable polite questions.
Just emailed our useless moron (for the nth time) at the 11th hour asking him to vote with Brady etc. Probably a waste of time but at least someone might read it. MW
Same, not expecting anything from the local stooge but I can say I tried.
Join the majority of us. It seems many of our duly elected MPs can’t be bothered to reply to the people who elected them.
There they are in Parliament talking about business and Brexit, business who thought Brexit would be their undoing, and who are now letting Johnson and his Covid Team wreck their business with impunity
Are the increasingly draconian punishments for any Covid infractions being announced daily a sign of desperation perhaps? This government has only one tool in its kit: FEAR. Lose this, and they lose everything, and they know it.
I think that you have a point there., Richard. There seems to be a definite negative correlation between the soundness of the narrative and the measures imposed.
So – the Bastards come up with stringent measures because the virus has gone away as a threat (see any mapping of the data). So a new narrative is constructed on purely fictional indicators (see the ‘worst case’ graph above).
Found this one on the government petitions website, just a bout to sign it:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/314810
Freeze funding to the World Health Organization amid the coronavirus crisis
Signed!
#metoo! MW
Me too!
Signed. Thanks.
me too
Signed
This site is fabulous but i do get frustrated at the dismissive attitude towards the ‘conspiracy theorists’ & ‘conspiracy theories’.
Now I agree there is cock-up, gross incompetence, self interest and group-think at play but there are also individuals/organisations who are using the hysteria of Covid19 to push their agenda.
One doesn’t have to subscribe to the fringe conspiracy theories, but there is sound evidence to some of them, so we should not dismiss them!
Yes Bill Gates is one such man, and there is the founder of the WEF who is pushing the ‘Great Reset’. There’s enough material from their own mouths and documents to support this case.
Plus BG’s proven links to Boris – for goodness’ sake, Boris even names him in speeches and replies to BG’s tweets!
I agree.You can stick to those things that are in the public domain.
WEF have even called their conference set for Jan 21 the great reset.
It is beyond doubt that the government see a vaccine as the way out.Millions of doses ordered and changing of the law to allow unlicensed vaccines to be used.
Johnson has also said he wants us to have a digital identity to partake in normal life.
I could go on.
Of course – stupidity and intentionality are not mutually exclusive, and there are clearly layers of explanation, all of which may have some traction at different levels.
What I do believe is that, because explanations of motivations are vulnerable to disagreement and also plain barking delusion, it is best to stick to the knitting – i.e. refuting the factual basis of the establishment narrative, with perhaps some mention of where follow the money’ takes you, which is pretty well beyond refutation.
It does if they are prolonging the agony to implement their plans.
Whether it was all planned from the start,an accident in a lab,a bio weapon used by China/USA or even a virus transmuted from bats it doesn’t matter and nobody on here knows the truth.
The one fact we are all sure of on here that is that this virus doesn’t justify the reaction.
The line between a conspiracy and bad actors pursuing their personal interests and agendas is a fine one.
There are plenty of things set out in plain sight for anyone who wants to dig and look to legitimise most of the accusations being made against Bill Gates, pharmaceuticals and governments.
But should it matter how all these draconian measures come about? Who cares if they are planned or not planned. They are bad in and of themselves and made no worse by virtue of being planned.
I just think that pushing the notion that it’s all planned doesn’t help because it puts people off and it’s all bad enough even if it wasn’t all planned.
We’ve already seen over reach from pubs and supermarkets where they haven’t even looked at the guidance, never mind misunderstood it. Now there are penalties, making up their own rules is going to go apeshit. Or should I say batshit.
Great find.
“As countries all around the world enter the most restrictive peacetime measures they may have experienced, people everywhere will experience a range of moods and emotions that will impact on their lives. The overall message for now is: ‘Be Fast, No Blame, No Regrets’.”
Fuck right off. Dressing up crimes against humanity on a colourful and friendly website. Pure evil. And this is not peacetime. It is a war on humanity itself.
Grim indeed. Note the ‘Rule of 3’ propaganda format. Pure SPI-B. MW
I have a strange feeling that someone like this might not know they are evil, and think that they really are doing their very best for humanity. None of the top Nazis thought they were evil. Himmler in particular genuinely thought of himself as a decent, upstanding, moral person.
Good point. Have you read ‘They thought they Free’ by Milton Mayer. He documents exactly what you are saying. MW
The germans had come through a crushing depression and turned to Hitler for strength.
How are they going to persuade us that covid restrictions are somehow “better” and “good”?
They have obviously impoverished and harmed the population, and no-one has yet seen any dead bodies to justify this emergency.
I think most people believe that they are. MW
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/29/coronavirus-act-liberties-powers-police-public-health-crisis
Someone spiked the Guardian’s water supply again!
Wow! Surprised to see this in The Guardian, but a positive sign. Couple of basic editing mistakes that need fixing but this is short and sweet and to the point. Also frames it in terms of issues such as “the rights of people of colour” that should hopefully go down well with their audience.
Its not called teh Gruaniad for nohting. SIC
It wouldn’t be the Guardian if it didn’t have editing mistakes
But no comments allowed so we don’t know what Guardian readers made of the article. If it was typical of my experience as a commenter there, the words “selfish” and “idiot” would be used about the author, regardless of their relevance.
Don’t think he’s a puppet. He is a psycopath.
Andrew Robathan, former Tory MP, from the Lords today:
“Unfortunately, many in the media seize upon unsubstantiated scare stories, and I particularly mention the BBC, which spreads fear and despair and treats the opinions of the discredited Professor Ferguson as gospel. These fears are amplified by some politicians: Sadiq Khan, Nicola Sturgeon and Mark Drakeford. However, my unscientific view remains that neither they nor anybody else really knows. Government policy has reflected that, as advice has changed weekly, if not daily. It is not that many weeks since we were told that wearing a face mask was unnecessary and possibly even increased the viral load if one was already infected. Therefore, please let us not suspend our critical faculties; let us look at the evidence.
First, although infection rates are important, we have been exhorted throughout this crisis that this is about saving lives, so it is deaths and very serious illness or hospital admissions that should be our focus. The data is certainly not perfect, but we do know—from Cancer Research UK, for instance—that 450 people die from cancer every day.”
Great stuff … but it’s not about a virus, obvs!
I currently have two theories about what goes on in the heads of the conspiracy loons.
Either they really are really dim enough to believe that the government knows exactly what it’s doing.
Or (and I say this knowing that it is a provocative idea) that some (not all) of them are in fact members of the 77th Brigade.
Why would the 77th Brigade want to promote conspiracy theories here?
Easy. To discredit the site, so that journalists can write Toby off as one of them and so that ordinarly members of the public will avoid the forum.
Just an idea. I have no proof and certainly do not accuse individuals, but I think it’s plausible.
As a conspiracy loon myself i would ask you to explain the actions of the current government.If they are continuing to ramp up fear and prolong the current crisis just to cover up the initial over reaction;is this not a conspiracy theory in itself
As someone unable to believe that this is just about panic and incompetence I suppose that makes me a conspiracy loon, too. I do not think that 5G causes CV19 and I do not believe the Queen is a lizard. However I do believe that there is a plan behind all this – follow the money – and that the UK Government is almost certainly not running the show. Otherwise none of it makes sense, 6 months and counting, with our whole economic, cultural and political life trashed and civil liberties down the pan.
I am not 77th either, I’m far too old.
I think the 77th’s MO is likely to be either doom-mongering, ad hominem attacks, time-wasting or straw-men arguments. One or two may indeed post outlandish conspiracy theories, above, to try to discredit us.
I detect their presence on here but believing conspiracy facts does not mean you’re a spook. As with the post about 4SD, below, and the WEF’s own website the agenda is happening in plain sight. ‘They’ are telling us what they’re doing if we can be bothered to read it! The SPI-B document is on the gov.uk website. It is all spelled out.
My view is that Toby Young’s allergy to conspiracy arguments is about something else i.e. keeping his own position as a MSM journalist and preserving his relationships with Tory party members. Like many other commentators he can afford to be scathing about what is going on but he’s a bit light on why. MW
Good post MiriamW.
Great post
I agree 100%. Toby Young is playing the same game Nigel Farage does. He is making a point to keep within very narrow parameters so he can’t be accused of being x, y, z and maintain access to the mainstream.
As someone who does agree that there is something to some of the conspiracy theories (not all), i’m not knocking it, as Toby’s excellent work is very effective by sticking to the evidence which is hard to refute.
“I think the 77th’s MO is likely to be either doom-mongering, ad hominem attacks, time-wasting or straw-men arguments.”
To a certain extent, such actions are counter productive.
I am an atheist and used to participate at a stand that Atheist Ireland ran in Dublin. I found the experience to be one of the best for refining my arguments in favour of atheism to exclude counter arguments presented by the religious.
Similarly, I have found others making pro lockdown points (here and elsewhere) to be excellent at forcing me to think further about the matter and refine my arguments against lockdown.
I believe that’s down to civil servants, a lot of them. I have a retired friend who used to do them, a details man, he worked mainly from home years ago, poring over scenario’s for different things and used to produce reams of paper, along with quite a few others which were more often than not binned after distribution
“Anytime that a hard-nosed analysis is put forth of who our rulers are, of how their political and economic interests interlock, it is invariably denounced by Establishment liberals and conservatives (and even by many libertarians) as a “conspiracy theory of history,” ”
…….
“Far from being a paranoid or a determinist, the conspiracy analyst is a praxeologist; that is, he believes that people act purposively, that they make conscious choices to employ means in order to arrive at goals. Hence, if a steel tariff is passed, he assumes that the steel industry lobbied for it; if a public works project is created, he hypothesizes that it was promoted by an alliance of construction firms and unions who enjoyed public works contracts, and bureaucrats who expanded their jobs and incomes. It is the opponents of “conspiracy” analysis who profess to believe that all events — at least in government —are random and unplanned, and that therefore people do not engage in purposive choice and planning.”
Murray Rothbard
https://mises.org/library/conspiracy-theory-history-revisited
Is “John P” short for “John Pretty”?
Conspiracy loon here, and proud. I don’t want to call anyone names, but I will say if you think these prolonged, and now increasing, measures are an attempt to cover-up for an inital mistake, you are missing the point that that is also a conspiracy. The problem is that it is a lot less logical than thinking that supra-national entities are enacting plans of their own, especially when they literally tell the world what they want to do.
At a minimum, there’s a conspiracy among senior politicians and their advisors to cover up the huge mistake they made
I personally would not read much into the lack of a report on Schoning. I don’t know much about TY but he seems serious enough to me in his opposition, and has certainly played his part in the overall effort. There’s no censorship of any kind on this site.
There’s no censorship of any kind on this site.
Julian respectfully, might that be that perhaps because he doesn’t look any further for the reason for the Corona Act (implement ed at the speed of light) and all the ridiculous extension of measures (erroneous and senseless mask wearing rules after the event) through the summer when it was clear to anyone, who spent 5 minutes studying a couple of graphs, that the wave was over and done with in May?
True, Helen. Corona is a cover for a financial reset of markets that have become too bloated to function any longer. Any business with real assets is likely to find themselves facing bankruptcy.
A friend of mine is a magician. He knows how easy it is to lie and persuade people they have seen something they have not. His job depends on people’s gullibility. He does not believe a word of this coronascam.
Thanks for your support again Kate!
One thing I think we can all agree upon is that this extraordinary time is stretching all of us to the absolute limits of our understanding. I for one barely spend a waking moment without turning things over in my mind.
I would encourage everyone to document their position in writing, as if they were presenting a case in court. What has happened? Who is responsible? What are their means, motives and opportunities? What is the evidence for the answers to all of the preceding questions? This process in and of itself can only lead to a betterment of our knowledge.
Done
thank you
I also thought this strange that Toby made no mention of Dr Schoening`s arrest.
Implausible.
What is this reference to ‘conspiracy loons’?
That’s tantamount to calling half or more of the forum ‘loons’..
We have a concerted conspiracy going on in front of our eyes.
Accepted that some of the key politicians may just be stupid.
But everyone behind the politicians?
Even if it was as simple as Big Pharma engineering a situation by which they can make billions, that would constitute a conspiracy.
But it goes much deeper than that.
Pretty sure this will be the speech tomorrow:-
“In March we perceived a threat that we couldn’t just ignore. At great cost to ourselves we did what had to be done to safeguard our communities, our sick and our elderly and most importantly the NHS. Through great determination we have succeeded and all the evidence we have now suggests that the worst is over and we can start to go about our normal lives again. I know some of you will have concerns but I can reassure you that our health care facilities are ready and capable to deal with what we can expect from the virus this winter. We will of course monitor the course of the virus closely as it has not gone away, but fortunately the rise in positive tests has not been accompanied by a significant rise in hospitalizations or deaths, so it looks as though our fears of a deadly second wave are unfounded. We have also seen how well other countries with less restrictive mitigation are coping.
With this in mind as of Monday we will be removing the mandatory wearing of masks and the rule of 6. There will no longer be a requirement for any social distancing. Theatres will be open, sports stadiums will be full, you will be able to see your friends and family. We cannot be complacent of course, good hygiene practices should be followed, you should stay home if you are ill, but life will be back to normal, the old normal. All that is left for me to say is thank you. Thank you for your sacrifices, your support, your determination. Once again this great nation of ours has shown that it is times of great need and adversity that we are at our best. We have weathered the storm now let us embrace the sunshine.”
Oh bugger, I was dreaming again wasn’t I?
I read that and thought you and inside information……..
I wish that would be true. I can’t imagine Witty and Vallance doing such a u-turn after only a week from forecasting a zombie apocalypse. I suspect its going to be a justification of a continuation of present policies.
Ah, the impossible dream.
I wonder if Cummings has a cunning plan to get Boris off the hook.
First get the Two Ronnies to produce a dodgy graph – by subtle and untraceable means encourage them to scare the beejeezus out of everyone.
Make sure that Hancock’s fingerprints are all over it – including a “decision” to let the Two Ronnies do it all on their own without taking questions.
Wait for the figures to flat line in mid October.
Fire the 2 Rs for incompetence – huge payoff as hush money. Fire Hancock for “losing control” of the science/scientists – reverse ferret on all covid measures – Boris the hero and sunny uplands (and cake) await.
Nah – I didn’t think so either.
How about throwing SAGE under the bus? Literally.
Along with Wancock.
That would be a bumpy ride, but I would buy a ticket to be on the bus.
As long as they backed up too to make sure (on the Precautionary Principle).
And I would just add that “if you are worried you are of course free to stay at home but I would say to you that the personal risks are low and it is time for us to re-build this country and face the challenges ahead unencumbered by these restrictions. I will also be ordering a Royal Commission into the handling of this pandemic, chaired by a wide range of academics, and I hereby commit to accepting its findings, whatever those may be. And to paraphrase Ronald Reagan [this is Boris after all], I say to you Britons, tear down these restrictions!”
I’m actually quite fearful for tomorrow as you only get those 3 together when there is a big announcement.
When fresh hell/nonsense will they come up with next?
I’m anticipating national lockdown. I can’t think what else they would be going for so soon after the last broadcast.
and get it in quick before those pesky MPs can stop them
Oh I almost felt a huge weight lifted from my shoulders… only for it to crash land back down on them again…
I wish but it will be more local lockdowns and stricter measures. Liverpool Mayor is basically begging for the City to be locked down. It will happen and he will no doubt receive some extra Government cash.
God I wish.
I so wish this could come true.
Perhaps it was a premonition. The best opportunity that the Government have to climb out of the hole that they have dug for themselves (and us) is to make your announcement (or one very like it) just before Christmas. They will slap themselves on the back and hope we don’t notice the recession. Or the care home deaths. Or the NHS patients who have been denied treatment. After all, it was all for our own good.
Alternatively, they could let this mess drag on in to the New Year. But why prolong the agony? I think the public mood is changing, and if Dominic Cummings is worth his salary he should be trying to find a way for his boss to save face. And what could be better than Santa Boris? Ho Ho Ho!
Everything went downhill after the Paleolithic.
From the Spectator about an hour and a half ago from Ross Clark (apologies if this has already been posted).
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/is-the-second-wave-slowing-
Quote from the middle of the article.
“Meanwhile, recorded cases of Covid-19 have fallen for the third day running — and sharply, too. On Monday, 4,044 new cases were reported, down from 5,693 on Sunday, 6,042 on Saturday and 6,874 on Friday. While there is a certain amount of noise in the figures — and particular issues at the weekend — this is the first time new cases have recorded three daily falls in a row since 17 August. If we see the rate falling further over the next few days it will provoke serious questions, including more scrutiny of the graph presented by Chief Scientific Adviser Sir Patrick Vallance and Chief Medical Officer Professor Chris Whitty, which projected doubling in infections every week until mid-October.”
I think people are realising they shouldn’t be getting tested.
Congrats Boris, your £10k fine did the trick!
But many are being offered 50 quid a month to do tests.
There really might be something in that..interesting, heavy governmental dis-incentive. humm It might apply to the Track n Trace thing too. They are compelled to do this by “dark actors” and they are trying to break it but make it look as if they are fully compliant with the mandates.
The ‘second wave’ was load of bollocks from the start – we’ve had a minor uplift of possible Covid illness – absolutely in line with what is expected of infections generally at this time of year.
Agreed – what we will see (yet again) is the “emperor has no clothes”.
Any sign of a figure today?
Figures will be available at 16:33 apparently: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/testing
or later if lower than 4044
7143 apparently. I’m not sure that I believe it on the basis that the trend was flat or downwards over the last week, and just, oh, ever so conveniently it looks like “nearly double in eight days”
I suspect that some of this number is down to delays in weekend reporting.
Of course the BBC reports infections!, not even cases, the highest ever.
Look at the dates of testing, they just published several days worth of results in one day. It is actually 354 +PCR for the UK for the 28th Sept.
They must have a huge backlog of test results which they now have added up, as they only processed 198.402 tests in the last 24h.
Another important announcement from Sgt Pisspot of Twat Valley Police
Bring back Crimewatch
My office space (currently a shared space downsized from an office) has put out advice and guidance, which includes wearing a mask. I was there today maskless as I have been for many months on and off. I didn’t know that offices are suddenly in the remit but I suspected.
I was thinking more about Awkward Git’s posts in the past about Risk Assessments and that I think direct pushback can occur even for restaurants by asking them about their risk assessment and insurance cover for people wearing masks on their premises.
Insurance companies don’t cover it. So anyone who gets a sore or anything can sue that establishment or business and they won’t be covered.
if however mask wearing is a choice then you chose to do it to yourself and the business is not liable. But if it is a choice then you also don’t need to wear it or give any exempt reason.
I’ll be considering what to do next with my office. They’re a good office but I’ll be seeing what the risk assessment and insurance is. For my company introducing a mask to a non-sterile working environment is added risk of infection, since in surgical environments it never reduces contaminants and often increases them. Plus there is no severe and imminent threat. I’ve worn masks before when cleaning huge vacuum chambers (N95s with full googles and body suit). Even that had a 45 minute limit.
Spot on, and good for you.
We’re reopening our office soon. AFAIK no plans for masks, don’t think they are yet mandatory by law, though that may come (hoping not – think it would make them more unpopular and be hard to sell).
My office has had mandatory masks since they re-opened in the summer, however we’re allowed to continue to work from home until January, so nobody’s going in at the moment.
Not sure under what premise they can mandate masks (no exemptions). Are they liable if it causes any health problem?
Yes they are.
As Nick says yes they are. Same thing with wearing latex gloves which is why nitrile is often used. For masks there isn’t another solution that gets round the issues of things like mask acne, skin outbreaks, breathing complications from fibres. You can go on. But normally masks are worn for short times with specific risk profiles and adequate measures.
They should be liable.
One way to make them so is to explicitly ask them whether they can guarantee that wearing a mask won’t have any negative health implications.
If they refuse t answer, that’s a problem for them.
If they are sensible and reply that they can’t guarantee it, then it makes it hard for them to enforce it.
If they guarantee it, then they’re a bunch of kamikazees.
Palm scanners – don
t give the bstards any ideas !https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-54337984
I am so grateful to everyone who posts information they find here. It has been invaluable, but chilling, when I can see how planned this “crisis” is.
I am not sure I can read much today, it is too shocking. I hope they don’t succeed, but people need to wake up quickly.
I don’t know if it’s planned or not. But does it matter?
Isn’t the important thing that whether planned or not, all their draconian measures are just plain wrong and despicable? Isn’t that enough?
I say this because I really think that putting the idea forward that this is all a big plan undermines the message that it’s wrong. I don’t think the fact that it is planned would make lockdowns or enforced mask wearing any more wrong than it already is. And to someone who is on the fence, hearing that it’s all part of a big, nefarious plan can be off-putting.
Not criticising the idea that it’s planned. Just pointing out that I’m not sure that position is helpful in bringing people round.
The Repeal the Coronavirus Act 2020 petition is doing well, it’s now reached 69,000 signatures with 409 in the last hour.
https://www.ft.com/content/b328b5e5-9a38-42f0-a008-58d69b1bb687
Now Greggs, doing well here, are set to wield the post furlough axe.
This might seem a dumb question, but I want to know how those who got us into this mess are going to sell mass redundancies, indebtedness, impoverishment and fuel poverty, not to mention drastically curtailed educational opportunities , loss of basic freedoms and not fit for purpose public health services to the great British public.
Not forgetting the obligatory tax increases needed to resurrect treasury revenues.
If or when this dreadful farce does grind to a halt, how will they spin it?
I just hope and pray that sufficient numbers of increasingly desperate people wake up and hold them to account.
There will be a wealth tax, mark my words.
Yes, confiscation is coming. Since many of those boomers living their own homes are actually cash poor, having made their money in the 1980s, this is going to lead to some very sad stories. On top of lots of already sad stories…
House prices will crash as no-one can afford to buy, so anyone hoping for a nice inheritance, just move into your parents house, ideally – is it 7 years? – they write it over to you so you do not qualify for inheritance tax, also solves the problem of getting care for the old dodgers. One of you will be at home anyway, as there are no jobs. Or the adult grandchild.
Rebranded as an ‘NHS tax’ no doubt to dupe people into supporting our national religion…
Yes, I agree, very likely.
good job lockdown has left me with no wealth then…..
They will spin it that they had no choice, in order to save lives. This will wear increasingly thin.
I grow more cynical with each day that passes….
They will spin it as they won the war against the deadly virus and they are heroes.
https://youtu.be/z8uwxVhEmww
I wonder if they’ll purloin this?
“Not forgetting the obligatory tax increases needed to resurrect treasury revenues.”
You mean the ones that don’t need to happen because the taxation will automatically occur when people who have saved in Gilts decide to spend their savings?
My spending is your income less tax remember and your spending is my income less tax.
Gilts are essentially a store of taxation to the value of the Gilt.
What about those who’ve lost their savings, and are on PAYE if still fortunate enough to be working?
Will the personal allowance be adjusted downwards to catch more people?
VAT?
Corporation tax?
Capital gains tax?
And, I dread to think, council tax?
Williamson promises that students will be home for Christmas.
How can he promise this? If they must be imprisoned for the public good because of the deadly virus, how can he tell when the deadly virus will abate? How would he know?
Or could it be – could it actualy be – that there is no good reason for them to be imprisoned right now? And never was?
In which case let them out so they can be students. Properly. Drinking, socialising (is that the word I want?) and all of that.
These ministers are like toddlers running around the house rearranging things thinking they are doing something brilliant when in fact they are creating a huge mess.
Don’t insult toddlers.
Don’t you know, CV Virus is going to his sister’s for Christmas.
I find myself wishing, with all my heart, that Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn was still with us, to shine the cleansing light of truth on this Covid Archipelago we’re “living” in.
Not yet……..we will be transported later.
I think of his immortal prose where he asks himself why the people didn’t stop it when they could, right at the start when they knew something was wrong. That’s why we have to stop this right now because we know how this goes – history tells us where this leads to if we don’t put the brakes on immediately.
The man was a titan, a moral colossus.
That is what will happen to Assange
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You just beat me to it! Liberty have a petition to repeal the act here: https://liberty.e-activist.com/page/63681/petition/1
Done and passed on.
Snap, just did the Liberty one too
Just done and thank you.
However, I’m not hopeful as she’s an SNP person.
We can but try kh.
Done.
Done. Brilliant.
Done. My edited letter to Hillary Benn:
Dear Mr Benn,
I’m writing to urge you to repeal the Coronavirus Act.
The Coronavirus Act allows police to take away the liberties of anyone they deem “potentially infectious” on a whim. That covers literally everyone, at a time when flu/pneumonia are a bigger risk than Coronavirus.
While this legislation remains in place, we do not have a free democracy.
I have read hundreds upon hundreds of epidemiological papers, run my own SEIRS+ models and created sensitivity/specificity calculators in order to help reassure friends of the real risks. I can assure you, I have never been drawn in by conspiracy theories.
My assessments chime with those of Nobel Prize winner Michael Levitt, Chief Epidemiologist Anders Tegnell and UK voices such as Prof. Sunetra Gupta / Prof. Carl Heneghan. We are not at great risk and these measures are completely unjustified. Not only do they need to be repealed, but we also need an urgent enquiry to ensure these Draconian measures cannot be invoked again in future.
Your father was a brilliant man – I would like to think he would be fighting on the side of freedom and democracy on this particular issue.
I had the privilege of attending one of Tony Benn’s talks after he had retired from politics. Although I am right of centre, I came away touched by the man’s obvious belief in parliamentary democracy and the importance of personal liberty. He did not convert me from Right to Left (not the point of his talk), but his standing with me increased considerably.
Benn was a Brexiteer!
I bet Hillary was really offended by that letter.
I’ve done it but not expecting anything from my loyal stooge MP.
Already done.
Still waiting for a reply from my MP after emailing him on Sunday.
For anyone who likes to follow the vaccine trial developments, I recommend Del Bigtree.
Here’s the latest edition (Twindemic 2020?). Very interesting discussion on the Oxford / AZN vaccine (criticisms from the US), the ‘challenge’ trial about to start (where the virus is deliberately injected into subjects) and also the flu vaccine, and the possibility of vaccine-induced viral interference.
https://thehighwire.com/watch/
The Highwire has been brilliant throughout this nonsense.
The associated non-profit has been doing sterling work too in trying to bring rigour and accountability to vaccines, often via the courts: https://www.icandecide.org/
No end in sight yet. Over 7000 positive tests today. 71 deaths.
Whitless and Vacuous will be in absolute ecstasy.
Knock off the false postives ….
No great surprise. I was expecting 8000 to bring the stats back into line after three days of falls.
Me too. I was prepping myself and anything less than 8000 is a win… sort of.
71 deaths though which will undoubtedly cause new panic.
Highest new cases and highest deaths since July 1. Incredibly convenient timing or we are all wrong?
Almost certainly held back some results from yesterday. Age profile of deaths is overwhelmingly to the 80 plus group per NHS stats ( which give 44)
Posted elsewhere in this thread:
7143 apparently. I’m not sure that I believe it on the basis that the trend was flat or downwards over the last week, and just, oh, ever so conveniently it looks like “nearly double in eight days”
I suspect that some of this number is down to delays in weekend reporting.
71 deaths is meaningless noise. But every one a tragedy, obviously.
I think they reported this on purpose today. If you look at the graph
Cases by specimen date, there are only 354 on the 28th, and 2.1k on the 27th.
Tuesdays they always catch up with the weekend.
Still not a doubling of Sept 22nd’s number: 4,926
Reported today, plus there’s the weekend effect.
This metric remains fairly meaningless because it includes a jam spread across previous days. I really wish people would stop using it. It has no credence whatsoever when 1000s of the 1000s will be from samples from across 7+ Days
Correct. But it’s the one that seems to drive government policy on restrictions.
Agreed. I posted a similar comment below.
And interestingly my spreadsheet shows that a good number of last weeks’s data has been revised downwards. From now on I’m going to keep separate columns for different weeks to see how much they’re changing by…
Convenient. The figures come into line just before the clown show tomorrow.
Daily admissions to hospital in England trending down – 314 on 23/9 and 241 on 27/9 (latest day recorded). Don’t know what the backfill was, but date of death series and specimen date of test series look as though they have peaked. Of course, you would anticipate the government to always present accurate data and information ahead of a crucial vote!
But hospitalisations steady(ish), no real trend – today 245.
Unfortunately, 71 is higher than it was several weeks ago.
It’s all those pensioners having illegal rave parties and infecting each other…
Considering we had a temperature change from 27C on Tuesday, 22nd to 10C on Friday (at least in East Anglia), I am not surprised that quite a few frail people have succumbed at the weekend.
Lets take into account these are results of several days. The infection/test took was at least 48h ago.
The government is making a complete national and international laughing stock out of itself and this country
Deaths ‘where covid 19 was mentioned on the death certificate’ are flatlining.
Breakdown by age plumb normal.
Does this really sound like even a minor national health alert?:
‘The number of deaths registered in the UK in the week ending 11 September 2020 (Week 37) was 11,145, which was 576 deaths higher than the five-year average and 2,149 deaths higher than Week 36; of the deaths registered in the UK in Week 37, 110 deaths involved COVID-19, 27 deaths higher than Week 36.’
‘The number of death registrations may have been affected by the August Bank holiday (31 August). This can cause delays in deaths being registered in Week 36, resulting in an increase in deaths being registered in Week 37.’
‘Of the deaths registered in Week 37, 99 mentioned “novel coronavirus (COVID-19)”, accounting for 1.0% of all deaths in England and Wales.
This is the second lowest number of deaths involving COVID-19 since Week 12; an increase of 21 deaths compared with Week 36……’
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/weeklyprovisionalfiguresondeathsregisteredinenglandandwales
Didn’t we have a lovely time the day we went to Bangor? We’ll never know the like again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVCVHhxGC-w
And the Barron Knights’ remix :”Didn’t We Have A Lovely Time At The Office Christmas Party?”
Boris apologises after he out-bumbles Matt Lucas’s spoof trying to explain how Rule of Six works in North East – as he prepares to address nation again tomorrow alongside Professors Gloom and Doom
<img src=”https://video.dailymail.co.uk/preview/mol/2020/09/29/805070470649170377/964x580_JPG-SINGLE_805070470649170377.jpg” width=”964″ height=544 /> The PM floundered as he was grilled on how the restrictions work, suggesting that households could still mix in groups of six indoors. In fact, it appears households will not be allowed to mix, regardless of numbers. The toe-curling moment came after skills minister Gillian Keegan suffered a series of car crash interviews this morning, admitting she was unable to answer key questions over new curbs that come into effect from midnight. Answering questions about the North East lockdown at Exeter College in Devon, Mr Johnson said: ‘On the rule of six, outside the areas such as the North East where extra measures have been brought in, it is six inside, six outside. ‘And in the North East and other areas where extra tight measures have been brought in you should follow the guidance of the local authorities. ‘But it’s six in a home or six in hospitality, but as I understand it not six outside. That is the situation there.’ Ms Keegan was asked whether restrictions banning households in the region from meeting indoors from tomorrow applied to pubs and restaurant gardens. She said ‘I don’t know the answer to that question’.
The Daily Mail, along with the Spectator and Telegraph, is one of the few publications to come out of the coronapanic with some credibility as an actual news organisation, having continued to publish sceptical views throughout the panic, albeit alongside the same fearmongering bilge that was everyone else’s sole coverage.
But recently, it has excelled itself, really going for the government jugular.
Great stuff!
They converted late, but better late then never. I’m afraid much of the damage economically and to futures lives, is done. But we can still prevent any further calamity.
They were relatively good from the start, in that they at least allowed dissenting opinion, such as Peter Hitchens, and reported inconvenient facts ignored by the likes of the BBC and Guardian/Times.
I doubt I looked at the Daily Mail twice in the five years leading up to March this year, but since the panic started it’s been one of my most visited news sites.
Peter Hitchens writes for the Mail on Sunday. They are different newspapers.
Yes, there is different editorial staff so there is a certainly a difference. The Daily Mail Online has a lot of added celebrity garbage which doesn’t make it into either papers, but I understand it is very successful.
True, although they publish on the Daily Mail website, so a distinction without much difference for me, who hasn’t bought a hardcopy newspaper in decade. But they did occasionally publish other dissenting stuff, such as this rare piece of headline honesty about Sweden, back in the dark days of April:
Why is Sweden still faring BETTER in coronavirus crisis than Britain – despite having NO lockdown? Case backs claim social distancing and hand-washing was enough to flatten curve
I had to give up reading it.Recently it has become a little more skeptical but the entire MSM with a few honourable exceptions are guilty along with the government
… and people are stupid enough to try to follow this bumbling incoherent nonsense?
Just been looking in detail at mortality figures.
There are absolutely no tangible, visible or logical reasons for any abnormal restrictions.
I was unseriously playing about with trend lines … and the one I couldn’t mimic is Tweedledum and Tweedledee’s ‘exponential growth’ fiction.
What a bunch of tossers!
P.S. – It’s hard, using my standard period of analysis of 27 years to currently distinguish the 2020 line for mortality. from that of the minimum for that period!
What f.ing ‘public health crisis’?
We’ll really know at the end of the year Rick. Odds must be on for 2020 ending up as a non-event?
Except for those of us who have to suffer through it.
Absolute nonesense – this ship of fools have made up so many idiotic rules they can’t even remember what they last said. Whitty and Vallence’s graph was the low point in treating the public like idiots – it would be hard to better that, but Bojo has managed to.
Just when you thought they couldn’t get any worse.
Why would you ever think they couldn’t get any worse?
Oh bloody hell. Every time the Fuhrer comes on the telly it’s really bad news.
What is he going to do to us this time?
Double down on face nappies -mandated outside?
Interesting that all other respiratory conditions have dropped away the week of the bill extension:
https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiZTU5ZDE5MGYtMzUzMy00ZjRmLTg4MGEtMTM3ZGJiZDNhODFkIiwidCI6IjZiOTAyNjkzLTEwNzQtNDBhYS05ZTIxLWQ4OTQ0NmEyZWJiNSIsImMiOjh9
The deaths figure is an underestimate. I know that, because The Guardian has just told me so.
The UK has recorded 71 new deaths. That takes the official headline total to 42,072. But this figure is an underestimate because it only counts people who have died within 28 days of testing positive for coronavirus. Overall more than 57,600 people have died from confirmed or suspected coronavirus in the UK.
They still don’t know why that cap was introduced.
I wonder if the Grauniad quote the death certification protocols in relation to Germany? I doubt it.
For ‘Guardian’ read ‘Security Services propaganda feed.’
A sudden spike in cases and deaths the day before a crucial vote. That they expect people to believe this shite is unbelievable.
How convenient.
Where do they get that 57,600 figure from? The Government’s dashboard says total Covid deaths are 42,072
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/deaths
And don’t forget the caveat on that page. Even with only measuring deaths within 28 days of a positive test…
It’s right there on the page.
“it only counts people who have died within 28 days of testing positive for coronavirus”
Otherwise anyone who dies of anything at any time and who tested positive was being counted in the total. So the Guardian knows better??
May have been posted already, so apologies if it has. this just came to my attention and I thought it was worth sharing…
As incompetent as our politicians seem to be, who ever is pulling their strings or (lining their pockets) certainly has a wish list of things they want to implement and are charging full steam ahead with it!!
https://www.rt.com/uk/502054-coronavirus-vaccination-mandatory-travel/
LOL! So no vaccination and you must still antisocial distance. Got a vaccination and you don’t need to. Is this guy for real? Surely he’s mentally unstable?
I think a good few are mentally unstable now. Still no guarantee that a working vaccine will ever be found. Wish people like Ellwood would just crawl under a rock somewhere far away from me.
Point me in the direction of the nearest lunatic asylum.
You’re already in it
I just listened to his statement. I think he fancies himself for the job of head honcho for the national vaccination programme.
of course.. a vaccination just needs a little prick
11TH MAY 2020 12:10PM MEDICAL MARVELS
Coronavirus digital health passport to be supplied to 15 countries
“Manchester-based cybersecurity firm VST Enterprises has signed a deal with digital health company Circle Pass Enterprises (CPE) to create a digital health passport designed to “manage a safe return to work, life, and safe travel” after the Covid-19 coronavirus pandemic.”
https://www.verdict.co.uk/vst-enterprises/
But the above is all in our imagination….
It is all incompetence, I say!
Ellwood’s statement is available on Parliament.tv around the 20 minute mark on 28 Sept (Monday). If you post comments on any media outlets, I suggest that you watch this and then post something where the public can see it. Use the Parliament tv link rather than Russia Today, since it’s a reputable source. Everyone needs to know what the government has planned for us.
Florian Krammer is probably oen of the most leading experts in virus and vaccine working in the US. He has produced a twitter thread of 138 which can be read here
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1310372301314101250.html
I suppose most of you will be very sceptical and just go to 120 and see that almost all vaccines might not be good at all to stop transmission or 123 that elderly are particularly difficult to have a response. But some might be interested more in general terms about the vaccine and perhaps this is the best overview what is around. Perhaps even some of them would read his last 138 where he is giving his own preference.
I wish people wouldn’t do that and would just write a proper blog post instead.
There is a lot of good and interesting information here, and I sense that the writer is genuine.
But I also think that he’s conditioned to an interested over-optimism.
Bottom line : that Phase III trialling and approval should not be short-circuited.
… and then there’s the primary question : why bother?
This is my take away from that very interesting link:
That is some truly dense and complicated information to get one’s head around. It would take a serous amount of knowledge, training and time to fully understand how likely it is a safe vaccine is produced in a few months.
Given. that Matt Hancock can’t even do percentages properly, there is exactly zero chance that he is able, let alone has tried, to understand the different vaccine strategies and possibilities.
So, without any doubt, he is relying on someone to tell him whether it is worth going for a vaccine or not. The big question is who is telling him this and what exactly is the advice he is being given?
My guess someone with ties to the pharma industry, because every single layer of healthcare in western countries is heavily influenced by the pharma industry;
Yes I read that thread yesterday. One thing I didn’t know is that there are actually some DNA vaccines in development for SARS2.
These do go into the nucleus of your cells and start the process of making antigens there. This is in contrast to RNA or vector vaccines where the antigens are made in the cytosol.
I don’t think they’re part of a sinister plot to rewrite the human genome but I do owe Victoria an apology because I have said before that I didn’t think any of the Covid-19 vaccine candidates were DNA vaccines. But apparently there are some.
The Moderna one (which I think the articles she has linked to is usually complaining about) is not however. That’s an RNA vaccine.
I don’t mind vaccines so long as people aren’t coerced or bullied into taking them and people get it out of their heads that we should continue with stupid restrictions until we have one.
Guy, if you are still around, I have a question.
In a DNA vaccine, say, what process places a limit on the amount of antigen produced by the cell? In other words what process turns the vaccine off?
I think vaccines can be dangerous because (for example) an inhaled virus would only present antigens to specialised immune cells in the respiratory tract, cells that live there for that purpose. I have always felt that an injected vaccine presents other risks as it places an antigen in the bloodstream – i.e. it has already bypassed the body’s defence mechanisms.
https://www.emjreviews.com/respiratory/article/what-makes-the-lung-unique-tissue-specific-immunity-in-the-respiratory-tract/
DNA and RNA vaccines work as an intracellular process. This bypasses natural barriers even further. ??
Good questions. I don’t think anything turns DNA vaccines off. They keep churning out antigens until your own immune system kills the cell.
Florian was saying in that twitter thread that none of the vaccines are very good at preventing upper respiratory tract infection because of the fact they go straight into the blood.
The vaccine is trying to give you T-cells and antibodies and by the time you’re generating those from a real infection, blood and lymph nodes are involved. So that’s why it works to put them straight into the blood. But you aren’t going to get exactly the same immune response. You never do with a vaccine for all kinds of reasons– the idea is just to get one that works. I don’t know if suddenly filling your blood and cells with antigens without the usual warning your body would get from other mechanisms is more likely to trigger adverse reactions, but it’s plausible. The other thing is because they don’t replicate you’re giving somebody a huge dose in all one go. 10 billion particles right into your blood as opposed to a natural infection which typically starts with a few hundred particles setting up home in your nose or somewhere around there.
And yes, with an RNA vaccine the first your body hears about the antigen at all is after it’s already infected cells. This is very different from the natural process, and kind of the polar opposite of an inactivated whole virus vaccine, which looks just like a virus on the outside but doesn’t do anything. This is why the RNA vaccines give you better killer-T cell responses, which for some pathogens (but not others) is desirable.
If the vaccine is a bit sketchy this isn’t usually a problem if it works and stops you getting TB or smallpox. But it’s a much more finely balanced risk in the case of C19 to say the least.
Watch this!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywuCRVJVDqs&feature=youtu.be
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2798-3_reference.pdf
I found this interesting. Only place I have personally seen confirmation of pre existing immunity and also confirmation that the LRT is the focus of the vaccine. Which is not great.
As I said yesterday. These vaccines don’t much look like magic bullets to me.
No text on that link, sorry!
I read this yesterday (skimmed through it) and my initial thought was that this virus isn’t particularly novel based on how it has been possible to use existing vaccine research as the basis of one for this virus.
I do not see how the “new normal” and “Great Reset” can be successfully enforced.
The plan is to use a state of emergency to push through revolutionary measures, whilst persuading people that they are necessary to save lives.
The Germans were impoverished after the depression and Hitler actually improved their standard of living. He was admired and initially had the support of the German people .
But in our situation there is no doubt that,
Even emergency powers will not provide adequate control to get the “new normal” established.
There can never be public support for what is being done. It represents a massive reduction in our quality of life. Why would anyone want this? And as time passes it is becoming ever clearer that there is nothing in this for us.
Unless the “vaccine” contains some new technology that permanently transfers power to the elite, I cannot see how long term social compliance can be obtained. And I am pretty sure that this technology does not exist.
Boris and Hancock look terrified to me. I think they know they cannot pull this off.
This is why I think there has been a prior financial collapse/emergency that has forced them to act. In normal times you could not attempt such a thing.
A developed, sophisticated, affluent, educated society reduced on such a flimsy pretext to serfdom?
I don’t think it can be done.
The only thing you might reconsider is this :
“There is little or no risk of death”
… as the the threat from the imposed measures are indeed life-threatening!
Yes, and that is why our politicians do not have support. The threat comes from them, and people can see this – and those that do not yet realise it will soon wake up.
The elite are massively reducing people’s standard of living. There is bound to be resistance. They cannot permanently govern by force.
It looks like they are using the police and army to enforce their policies as exhibited by the recent events in trafalgar square, plus the threats of ever increasing fines.
That is no way to govern a country by threats/violence – and we are slipping into a dictatorial fascist state, all glossed over by the hoorah elites and Right Honorables Fat n’ Twat who haven’t a clue of how people’s lives and the country are being ruined.
Fat n’ Twat.
Perfect description!
To put into context: this is happening in many countries, but mainly in socialist-run countries or regions, i.e. Canada, NZ, Victoria – Australia, Ireland, and Democrat-run states.
In the U.S., there’s no nationwide lockdown. The Republican governor of Florida has lifted all restrictions across the state and is expecting life to go back to normal. In Democratic California, they’re still under lockdown. During the summer, beaches were closed. When local sheriffs refused to enforce the beach closures, people were only allowed to exercise on the beaches, but not sit down anywhere, plus they could only walk on the wet sand, but not the dry sand….
Equally insane measures were brought in in other Democrat states.
This isn’t across the board, but there’s a scary amount of parallel lockdown measures. They all seem to be keen on imposing Chinese Communist Party-style authoritarianism.
It’s called “lockstep”
But there’s no agenda being played out internationally ….
Hopefully it can’t be done, but they’re relying on people just going along with it so their lives are easier.
Something that will happen quite soon that will be a good indicator of this is flying abroad. They’ll say that if you want to fly abroad then you’ll have to have a recent negative test, which will then become you’ll have to have the vaccine. People will think “oh, I want to fly, and I guess a test isn’t a massive inconvenience, so I’ll just do it”, then it becomes “oh, I’ll just get the vaccine, I need some sun”, and slowly but surely things that were previously abnormal become normal because to not comply with them will lead to your life becoming abnormal.
But “the vaccine” will harm people. It is inadequately tested.
Current vaccines cause injury. This injury will be impossible to conceal in a mass vaccination campaign.
Well, they have succeeded in hiding the false positives, at least to some extent. It seems like you have to be a sceptic to know that they exist. Funny that, since I used to do one-on-one maths tutoring in the States. We taught false positive and false negative maths so the students would understand the concept. But I never met one who had heard of it before.
The fact that they look terrified, scares me the most. They’re capable of anything at this stage and will keep on doubling down, threatening and keep moving further and further towards totalitarianism.
Yes, I realise that the use of the term “sustainable” is being corrupted by these people. They corrupt everything they touch. Children of the lie.
For information again :
I have just sent a last-minute e-mail to my MP with my up-dating of current mortality.
We shall see.
Dear
Following my recent e-mails re.the government’s predations using Coronovirus as a cover , I thought that this simple graphic might help with determining how to vote tomorrow :
[ https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=5c5e9f3d92&attid=0.1&permmsgid=msg-a:r-1487279672656831048&th=174da9c279ea8e8c&view=fimg&sz=s0-l75-ft&attbid=ANGjdJ8DYq_tokWN-HiQB9yw-3NCRQepCmR1A0tmN6hrcNXTXA012CmIjsH7azxeOHRxAx-COOZHnH-QWlXIRgx3wHfuoe2aVgT_8ZChi07dY72ilvziUdgo16a5jKM&disp=emb&realattid=ii_kfo57dac0 ]
The red line shows all-cause mortality in 2020, mapped against the maximum (1993) and minimum (2011) of the past c. quarter century.
You will note that mortality is now bubbling along around the minimum for the period, with no rationale for the scare stories promulgated by the inexplicably poor ‘scientific’ advice being given air-time.
Whatever the blips in the next six months (and no – the ‘measures’ have no part in creating this low level of mortality), there is certainly no grounds for creating panic and imposing the features of a police state in a democracy. There is no ‘crisis’.
This is not one for abstention – let alone complicity or political expediency.
Sincerely
Well said. But this seems to be pre-supposing that your MP (and the others) don’t know this already, and that all these ‘rules’ and ‘laws’ and ‘guidance’ are merely a result of ‘panic’ without research.
They’re not. They’re the result of cold calculation. We don’t know how many are in on it, but you can bet your bottom dollar there are gains to be made, even for the lowliest.
Following the link – Gone Error 410
Note the mention of your Oxford Professors:
https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/29/media-gunning-for-scott-atlas-because-he-keeps-exposing-coronavirus-lies/
In the U.S., it’s all about the election.
I’m guessing, but I’d put money on the CDC director being a paid-up member of the Democrat party.
Trump has issued a directive to stop all mandatory critical race theory/unconscious bias training in all government departments. The CDC is defying him and going ahead with it.
Very much a political issue as the vast majority of bureaucrats are Demcorats (in addition to virtually all of the press).
I will say, though, that people aren’t really talking about CV19 right now. There is a presidential debate, tonight, a heated Supreme Court nomination, and an election coming up in about a month. People aren’t remembering to keep the virus panic up.
Also, in spite of the fact that our mask-mandate is still in place, and the threat to businesses is still presumably valid, I’ve given up even pretending to play along (I used to wear a bandanna around my neck to go to stores) the last few times I’ve gone to the grocery store. There is nearly 100% mask compliance at this point, but nobody has said a thing about my not wearing one.
I don’t know how many have converted to full-blown skepticism, but I think there are a lot of people who just don’t really care, anymore.
Of course, I’m still seeing the occasional hipster (young people, mostly) who is double-masked with a bandanna on top of an N-95, gloves, etc… But, as I’ve been saying for a long time, when the mask mandate is lifted, these people will become a novelty.
I am VERY glad to hear someone saying (thanks Ms Latham) that it is a matter of ‘CHOICE’ whether or not people wish to be ”shielded” (another of those ‘S’ Newspeak words). This disgustingly patronising attitude towards anyone of any age, or state of health is unacceptable. This manipulation and coercion is something we should never accept, for ourselves or on behalf of others who have no opportunity to state their case.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gOnk6BR5dSw
Digital Immunity Passports Are Coming
Computing Forever, 29th May
After all, it’s not as if any of this has been predicted in any way at all, i.e. terrify the population into submission, allow a little freedom then take it away again to destroy hope, impose ever more draconian measures to control them…
https://www.verdict.co.uk/vst-enterprises/
11TH MAY 2020 12:10PM MEDICAL MARVELS
Coronavirus digital health passport to be supplied to 15 countries
“Manchester-based cybersecurity firm VST Enterprises has signed a deal with digital health company Circle Pass Enterprises (CPE) to create a digital health passport designed to “manage a safe return to work, life, and safe travel” after the Covid-19 coronavirus pandemic.”
But mention any of this stuff and they call you a conspiracy nut….
The problem is that the conspiracy tag is applied very loosely to a whole range of people:
Only the first of those are conspiracy theorists really.
The third of those are definitely not conspiracy theorists, just people who know the world can be a shitty place and see what is coming.
Those in the second group are not really conspiracy theorists either. They just see the system as corrupt and open to manipulation from interest groups. Sometimes they are right on the money and sometimes they overstate the extent to which things are planned.
As I’ve been saying to people recently: there are conspiracy theories and conspiracy theories.
One person’s conspiracy theory is another person’s hypothesis waiting to be proven.
I called all this shit show at the beginning and was told to put my tin foil hat down. Big bag of told you so’s being dished out, but I would have been over the moon to be wrong.
The ‘conspiracy theory’ tag, as you put it, was specifically designed to sideline scepticism of the Warren Report into the assassination of JFK. Kennedy was refusing to let Israel have nuclear weapons, a decision speedily reversed by LBJ; he also wanted to end the banks’ ability to create money as debt, a notion that also put paid to Abraham Lincoln. (Which ability, BTW, is the root cause of this Covid scam.) There was also talk of organised crime being involved, and various other theories were floating about.
https://steemit.com/history/@thelastheretik/cia-coined-and-weaponized-the-label-conspiracy-theory
By saying ‘I’m not a conspiracy theorist’ you are playing the CIA’s psychological game. There is a conspiracy afoot, but it is no longer being hatched in private, at Davos. They’re even crowing about it:
https://www.weforum.org/great-reset
In a galaxy, far far away, the Bellendorian Hancock rises from his slumber to see how else he can royally screw the populace with his latest brain farts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrkL-TqAeuI&ab_channel=MaxGowland
Fantastic BBC (old style) music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZdZKolMIl0&ab_channel=Eagles-Topic
Found the whole thing
Hancock is a Vogon . you can tell by the fact every time he appears on tv he is reciting Vogon poetry.
Vogon Constructor Fleet are running the NEF.
Is there anyone on this site who disagrees with the assertion that we are now entering a permanent state of COVID-driven restrictions and, that once COVID-19 has gone there will be something else taking its place? Vaccines won’t make any difference. We are on the brink of massive societal change which will be permanent. Our pre-COVID era lives are already becoming a distant memory, never to return.
Just look at the way the language on “restrictions” has changed in just the last few weeks. We had “temporary / 2-3 weeks” which flipped into “6-9 months / medium term” only in the last week or two. Now we are seeing “long term / permanent” being increasingly used.
These are some quotes from Ireland today but will apply almost anywhere. Paul Reid, CEO of Health Services Ireland:
· “even with a vaccine, the reality is that we will be dealing with Covid-19 for a long time yet
· “We must all adapt our way of life through a combination of behavioural, societal, and healthcare delivery changes.
· “it is increasingly evident that we can expect and should therefore plan for subsequent waves of the virus”
· “a transition to a more permanent model for testing and tracing is currently underway”
We are surely facing the total breakdown of society. There will be massive resistance. This will be met with increasing force. It’s going to be horrible. It would be great if someone can give me something tangible to be positive about in middle of this total shit show. I don’t think that saying “they couldn’t get away with it” is very reassuring – look at what they’ve done already.
Unfortunately there will be no resistance and us sceptics will be criminalised.
I think it is certainly true that the government has discovered that ruling through fear is easier than trying to stay popular, and it will be hard for them to stop – it’s probably addictive. So they have no real reason to declare the pandemic over. And many other organisations have understood this is a good opportunity to push their agendas, so they too have a vested interest is pushing this nonsense forever.
The bar has been set far too low, the vaccine won’t be 100% effective, and I can’t see how they are going to back away from masks, having pushed them so hard. And yes, the surveillance the health passports will be hard to get rid of.
So yes, I think we are in grave danger.
I live in the North west, where you know we are all lepers, and apart from the masks no one has taken notice for weeks. Resistance may not be on show but people are just doing wtf they like from what I can see.
Oderint dum metuant.
Omnes homines sunt asini vel homines et asini sunt asini
Resistance has been extremely limited to date. The brainwashing has been so terrifyingly successful that even a series of shocks may not be enough to wake the masses from their slumber. There has undoubtedly been a minority in every country where an authoritarian regime has flourished that asked exactly the same questions as it emerged from the shadows. History teaches us that this minority has failed every single time to turn back the tide. We will once again have to learn our lessons in the hardest way imaginable.
There won’t be massive resistance, but there will be increasing force. It’s already underway. They will have their way and that’s it. Look at them passing laws every five minutes just to make sure we do what they say, because what they say has no basis in fact, nothing to justify it.
We are headed down a deep, dark hole, and only killing them and replacing them with people who think differently can stop this. And that’s pretty unlikely.
Review of comments received so far: There will be no resistance, we’re completely fucked, don’t bother being positive! Thank you friends.
No I think to successfully take over society you must initially promise the populace something better – which they are not doing.
Or seriously frighten them – but there are no dead bodies in the streets – everyone can see (even if they don’t admit it to themselves yet) that this is not a real emergency.
This “emergency” is nothing when you compare it to real crisis. Unless they come up with something else the momentum will peter out. People will resist.
More realistically, people’s attention spans will fail them. They are going to stop remembering to be panicked. The only thing keeping up the hysteria is the government and its mandates. When things like this don’t have overwhelming public support, it is amazing how quickly the house of cards can crumble. If you have a handful of politicians making a stink (and remaining popular), that will grow… and once the government allows people to make their own decisions, the entire thing will fall apart. That will happen very, very quickly.
I am already starting to see it happen here in the US. That doesn’t mean it can’t turn back around (certainly, it came out of nowhere!), but I suspect that as people get tastes of their normal lives, again, there will be a snowball effect.
The problem is that here in the UK we are not getting a taste of our normal lives and normal life is not on the horizon.
Their timing is slightly out of schedule. The idea was to coincide food shortages, with vaccine availability, with immunity passports giving access to essential services (and rationing?)
Despite ‘their’ best efforts, they know that they cannot roll out the vaccine until maybe Feb at the earliest. Food shortages will commence mid-December, as the world and his wife finally realise that Kent changes from the Garden of England to being a lorry park on Jan 1st.
Two things inevitably lead to rioting that cannot be contained; no money, and / or no food. The money issue will be mediated by extending a half-hearted furlough, and by making self-isolation payments. That will keep the masses quiescent on that front. But having created the circumstance for guaranteed food shortages, they’ve got a problem. There will be two months with no food and no vaccine availability. (Vaccine nationalism will come into play. In the US they are already coming out and saying that AZD1222 is not looking safe..)
When I talk about ‘them’, I’m talking about everyone behind the politicians, the politicians being merely puppets, stupid or not. The Jeffrey Epstein playbook of control by compromise (or downright blackmail) is widely employed. I know (without knowing)) that one of the regulars in front of our screens is being blackmailed after prior entrapment. And probably two or three others. If you know individual’s proclivities, you know their vulnerability to being ‘compromised’.
If none of it makes sense to you, you should develop a supposition or a hypothesis that does make sense, and with each new development, amend your hypothesis, if things don’t fit.
I haven’t had to change my hypothesis at all since February!
(Above is opinion based on ever-developing confirmatory evidence)
For anyone new to all of this, I would suggest viewing the excellent four-parter on Bill Gates on Corbett Reports.
https://www.corbettreport.com/gates/
And then look at compromised funding received by each individual SAGE member.
Then you will be well on the way, and unlikely to remain a ‘conspiracy sceptic’ for very long!
Maybe start here:-
“A Message to New Conspiracy Theorists” by the excellent James Corbett.
https://www.corbettreport.com/episode-385-a-message-to-new-conspiracy-theorists/
An excellent post – I recommend reposting higher up so more people will see this!
Fully agree. However, they will not win in the end.
Hi – I Don’t agree with your last sentence. If the majority of people could see that it was not a real emergency then we wouldn’t be where we are now. The fear campaign has been so successful that they don’t need bodies in the streets. I think they may be keeping that option in reserve for when their bogus “cases” collapse.
I do worry about their next option ……I just did not want to say so……
The virus isn’t a real emergency but the underlying agenda is fast getting to that point for the proles.
I am more optimistic. I think the shit show has a month to run. The redundancies are going to start piling up over the next couple of weeks. I am anticipating at least one FTSE 100 firm facing severe financial difficulties – a name that could shock the market. There will be a rapid change of mood driven by an apocalypse scenario for the economy. Boris is toast, and he knows it. Even of he survives the renewal of the Act this week, the party is preparing to get rid of him. Out on the streets, most ordinary people already know this virus is not the problem, and the scale of scepticism is increasing with the behaviour towards the students.
Good post, I agree!
Thanks – I hope you are right.
I’d go for RR being the first
Agree – year-to-date share price signals disaster imminent. Government would have to step in, but it would send shivers through the market.
I agree we are turning the tide .Lets keep the morale high and stop this defeatist nonsense that ruins the comments every night. Do you think people win wars by saying we’re doomed again and again ?. tomorrow belongs to those who keep their spirits high and fights hardest .
You said a month two weeks ago! I’m holding you to the Ides of October …
Great post and I think you’re right about at FTSE100 firm in deep trouble and if that goes it could trigger a shock wave that will wake up even the most asleep.
Sorry, but that qualifies as Most Unhelpful Comment of the Week. And it’s only Tuesday.
Inspiring stuff, what!
I think there are quite a few MP’s who think personal freedom is worth fighting for and more seem to be coming forward as the time goes on, they and their families want to live in a free society too.
I disagree.
Everything you say is possible. Societies do crumble – though they don’t often crumble in that manner – but that doesn’t mean that this particular breakdown is inevitable.
Here is a historical exercise. Try to take all of the signs that are pointing toward this breakdown, and consider times in the past where those same sorts of signs have arisen. Think about the unexpected ways that people have behaved, the unexpected people who have risen up, intervening events, etc… There are many times in the past when people like us could easily have buried our heads in our hands and despaired that this is truly the end, and surely there have many people to do so.
Not everyone accepts this from a Christian perspective, but consider this outlook: These things are not in our hands. Even the idea that government or other powerful forces have control is pure vanity. We have seen attempts at population control, just as we have seen attempts at centralized and guided economies. Sometimes it works, for a while… there are certainly places in the world where people are truly oppressed by totalitarian regimes. Yes, it is all possible … but nothing is inevitable.
The major factors keeping this thing going are:
Added to which BCG phase 3 trial preliminary results are in end October 2020.
This country and its government are already an international laughing stock.
Domestic pressure against restrictions is now gathering momentum.
The whole thing will go away quite quickly spring 2021 latest
We can only hope.
Spring 2021!, ffs. They should drop all this shit by Friday.
I just want it not to get worse. But it seems like the badness is accelerating.
They should never have started it in the first place.
Why did they?
‘PARIS — French President Emmanuel Macron told British Prime Minister Boris Johnson on Friday that he would close the border if the U.K. did not take more restrictive measures to contain the coronavirus.
“We had prepared the closure of our border and told Prime Minister Johnson we would implement it that day if there was no evolution [of British measures],” a senior French official….’
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/22/france-border-coronavirus-uk-141402
The Brexit angle will, hopefully, play out between now and next spring…..
Reid should have stayed as CEO of Fingal County Council. He is looking very worried in his public appearances.
I’ve been wondering whether we should have some way of punishing businesses that are particularly militant about enforcement of silly rules.
A member of staff in this place was incredibly rude about my mask exemption the other day, so I wondered whether anyone fancied leaving a negative Google review:
https://www.google.com/search?&q=aire+bar+leeds
I will of course return the favour if people have their own examples.
If anyone feels that it’s not appropriate to post “personal vendettas” on this site, and thinks we should stick to positive actions and discussion of the politics/science – please do say. I was a bit hesitant about posting for this reason because I prefer positive action as a general rule.
Do it. Fuck ’em. You are in the right, unlike the mask zealots, whose ‘moral high ground’ is based on lies and ignorance. Sick of ’em now.
I don’t see what’s wrong with reporting what has happened – of course it may be down to one or two individuals rather than company policy, so good to follow up with an email of complaint to head office, and report back what they say – sometimes it does some good.
Go for it.
They are collaborating with repression. They deserve it.
I’ve been tempted to put a ‘zombie shop’ sticker against certain establishments.
ONS to 18th Sept:
So if I’m understanding correctly essentially we are saying there is a peak the week after Bank Holidays because effectively, in terms of the data collected, the week of the B/H is a 6 day week and the week after is an 8 day week? If that’s the case that’s very handy for tomorrow isn’t it?
The key takeaway for me is the level of flu and pneumonia deaths.
I just don’t think people can get their head around the idea that over 10,000 people a week die in the UK normally.
That’s also the smoking gun that Covid deaths are down because of herd immunity to Covid not because of NPIs.
That much was evident when the daily death counts started in March/April.
no one dies unless you know them personally or know someone that knows them
I dont know anyone so I am immortal
People are arguing that it’s because of the new “death within 28 days of a positive test” rule. They’re postulating that people are still dying from covid after 28 days and it’s being recorded as pneumonia. Whilst ignoring the fact that someone can be hit by a bus 27 days after a (dubious) positive test and it still be recorded as covid.
Will there be questions at tomorrow’s performance?
I hope someone puts this graph to Dumb and Dumber.
Good Chart
Hospitalisations by region. I don’t see the fuss about London, Khan just trying to get in on the action.
Reaction totally out of proportion. If the Government wanted to mandate something why not 2 hours exercise a day, vitamin D, zinc.
Let the university students all get infected as soon as possible, if you can isolate them from each other how much easier to isolate them from old/vulnerable people & that’s another brick in the community immunity wall cemented in place & then they can all go home at Christmas & get on with their lives.
Remember, in Scotland not a single death under 25!
In England & Wales 39 deaths of under 40s without comorbidities. 1 death for each single year cohort from 0 to 40.
Yep Khan feeling left out methinks. I thought he was busy hunting down racist blue plaques..
Not sure if anyone’s seen this already – saw it reported on UK Column. CDC’s latest infection fatality rate and survival rate, by age group:
If the IFR is that low, why is Fauci still in a job?
Presume his job is try try to beef it up a bit more, otherwise people might start to wonder what the hell all this madness is for.
Well Trump has the ability to fire people like it’s a bodily function, so I’m sure the possibility of getting rid of Fauci has entered his mind. Though actually, certainly in the US it is very difficult to get fired in the Administrative Gov. Bureaucracy, only happens to a tiny fraction of 1%… usually the process involves getting one’s superiors to take administrative action against them, which not only takes years, but involves numerous lawyers, and probably intimidation. Much easier to sideline them, (as Trump appears to have done) or dump them under so much pressure they bugger off, of their own accord.
Go back a few years, Eric Holder, when Obama pulled a Nixon during the fast & furious scandal (the illegal invoking of executive privilege) and Holder was ordered to turn over documents.. it got to a point where discussing potential prosecution was ridiculous, because the Justice dept basically reported to Holder!… he did resign though, when put under mountains of pressure.
There was a typo on this that they corrected on Monday. The middle column should have read ‘Infection Fatality Ratio’ and the %’s removed from that column.
The CDC IFRs are ratios and not percentages. The correct figures are still very low but should be:
0-19 0.003% 99.997%
20-49 0.02% 99.98%
50-69 0.5% 99.5%
70+ 5.4% 94.6%
This is absolutely mind bending. I have just seen the news report of a 20 year old student, healthy, locked in her dorm and for this? There is no individual representation anymore. Where are the human rights groups? It’s all so insane the sheer level of cognitive dissonance
The 70+ figures are out by a factor of 10 – should be around 0.5 – 0.6%.
This slide is not from CDC – the data is here:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#AgeAndSex
Makes quite a difference if so. Transferred to a UK age breakdown, I make those numbers equate to an IFR for the UK of 0.9%, but 0.2% if the 70+ figure is incorrect, as you suggest.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.25.20201939v2.full.pdf
INFERRED RESOLUTION THROUGH HERD IMMMUNITY OF FIRST COVID-19 WAVE IN MANAUS, BRAZILIAN AMAZON “Our results are consistent with heterogenous transmission reducing over time due to the development of herd immunity. Relative to a baseline model that assumed homogenous mixing across Manaus, a model that permitted a small, self-isolated population fraction raised the estimated herd-immunity threshold from 28% to 30% and reduced the final attack rate from 86% to 65%”“Previous studies have assumed that the first wave in Manaus was significantly mitigated by non-pharmaceutical interventions (NPIs). While these restrictions may have partly constrained early transmission, local reports indicate that implementation was highly variable. Moreover, a possible role for immunity is suggested by the observation of declining cases and deaths over a period in which restrictions were officially eased.”“individuals aged 75 years or more accounted for 39% of the excess (Figure 1a). During this period, 7% of the 75+ male population in Manaus died.”
This is an important article as the calculations are made of all excess mortality which was more useful than official test data which did not capture enough of the situation. Also interesting that in this third world population C-19 affect elderly also very significantly.Manaus is 2 million population city in the middle of Amazons. Another published article recently about high sero prevalece in Manaus reach similar conclusions https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.16.20194787v1
COVID-19 herd immunity in the Brazilian Amazon “In June, one month following the epidemic peak, 44% of the population was seropositive for SARS-CoV-2, equating to a cumulative incidence of 52%, after correcting for the false-negative rate of the antibody test.”
“The seroprevalence fell in July and August due to antibody waning. After correcting for this, we estimate a final epidemic size of 66%. Although non-pharmaceutical interventions, plus a change in population behavior, may have helped to limit SARS-CoV-2 transmission in Manaus, the unusually high infection rate suggests that herd immunity played a significant role in determining the size of the epidemic.”
Very interesting.
Life expectancy Manaus 68
Because of course: https://www.wsj.com/articles/tennessee-titans-coronavirus-covid-19-outbreak-11601395722?mod=hp_lead_pos11
Oh do fuck off!!
The scum fear spreading rag that is Edinburgh Live at it again!!!
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/best-in-edinburgh/shopping/range-edinburgh-worker-terrified-after-19015617
& as for the “terrified worker” they can go fuck off also…Bedwetting Twat that they are.
I don’t think you realise how terrifying it is to think you may against all the odds catch an infection of a killer virus that has no symptoms with no or mild illness and er doesn’t kill you
A virus so deadly that the advice is that if you catch it, go home and sit on your arse for 2 weeks.
If you are a zombie, that prospect is so terrifying that you want to lock up the entire world and let everybody else die of something else so that you your miserable little self can avoid catching … a virus that has no symptoms and … er … doesn’t kill you.
As I will continue to remind everyone, Edinburgh Live / Evening News , like every local newspaper have 4 “Local Democracy Reporters” embedded who are employed and paid for by the BBC. Hence all the local media output contains BBC bias.
You can certainly tell!
Sounds as if the Range feel like we do about the “danger”!
https://twitter.com/InProportion2/status/1310980821709447168?s=20
Anna Brees getting concerned for her safety?
https://twitter.com/BreesAnna/status/1310519074087202817
Her question:
Her coverage of the weekend was excellent. Good on her, she done some great work. I’ve noticed how the more extreme end of the zealot camp are becoming increasingly vicious.
It’s so easy for people to get sucked in. They start off as glory supporters and end up as SS Charlemagne
One of the replies on that Twitter thread
WTF is a voluntary lockdown? -A . No lockdown this is the mentality we’re up against
But strangely fewer excess deaths than Finland and the same number as Denmark, both of whom certify their Covid deaths, like the Germans, much more stringently. The Guardian has been banging away along this “Sweden did actually lockdown line”, like almost everything else in the Guardian is is complete and utter horse shit.
Voluntary lockdown is somewhat poorly phrased. I imagine the poster means that people voluntarily distanced based on govt advice or what they thought was best for them.
This is indeed true – people worked from home and travel went down considerably. Tegnell has said this, and Carrie, our Sweden correspondent, concurs. So yes, there was a reaction to the virus, including some behaviours that were mandated in the UK and elsewhere, which may have slowed the spread a bit, though probably not much.
You can argue it wasn’t necessary, but given that it was voluntary I would accept it as you had the option to ignore it (barring a small number of measure that were law). It’s light years away from what happened here in the damage but probably more than sufficient in terms of protecting hospitals from having too many patients at once.
Which is exactly what we were doing in this country, successfully, and with near universal compliance. It worked as well, hence why the peak of infections was a week before the lockdown. The reason it worked, imho, in this country and in Sweden is because people felt like they were making a difference. As soon as the government decided to boss people about they actually became less conscientious.
And Sweden have admitted that they got it badly wrong with the carehomes, whereas we’re clearing hospitals again ……
‘Carrie, our Sweden correspondent’ – haha, you flatter me!
Yes, as you say, people listened to the advice and adapted accordingly – both individuals and businesses.
As I have written before, it does not help that Tegnell and Giesecke (more often the latter) have in interviews of late called the measures a ‘soft lockdown’ and I am not sure why they have started to do this, whether it is a way of getting the world’s media off their backs, or at the request of the WHO, or what..
But on the more positive side, Giesecke in his appearance at the Irish Covid committee was very forthright and rather less than subtle in criticising other countries’ measures! It is worth a listen (you can scroll through to just his parts) https://www.pscp.tv/w/1OyJAgeqpeDKb?t=2h16m17s
So if they did actually lock down, and Swedish people are so amazing that they “voluntarily” followed it to the letter… Why did they have a more protracted outbreak and far more deaths per capita? Is it because lockdowns have got pretty much sod all to do with it?
No, it must be because even though they locked down and followed it perfectly, they didn’t lock down which is why deaths were so high. Perfect logic.
The care home deaths plus the deaths of elderly people living in their own homes but getting council care in Sweden account for 70% of the deaths here..
From my little house here in Sweden…sigh…
What a fucking nob.
I stopped after reading this within the first 20 seconds:
…with three interlinked emphases:
a) People are encouraged to adopt all precautions all the time. As Tedros of WHO says: ‘Do it All’: physical distancing, proper face-masking, hand/cough/surface hygiene, self-isolating when ill and shielding those most at risk. There should be no exceptions anywhere. This is best achieved through engaging people and trusting them rather than coercion if at all possible.
One of Bill Gates’s is my guess ..he seems to own most people these days, Ferguson, Drosten to name 2
I posted this in response to someone else’s comment, but it bears repeating.
Tobias Ellwood’s statement about the military being mobilised for vaccination of the whole population is available on Parliament.tv around the 20 minute mark on 28 Sept (Monday).
After listening to it, I feel like I should apologise to the conspiracy folks – I’ve resisted for a long time, but he is advocating a two-tier society based on vacc status.
If you post comments on any media outlets, I suggest that you watch this and then post something where the public can see it. Use the Parliament tv link rather than Russia Today, since it’s a reputable source. Everyone needs to know what the government has planned for us.
There is no 20 minute mark on that link.
It is the 20:24 mark
Here you go:
https://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/f9b43e59-b2a3-4d9e-ab6c-f9e3620128aa?in=20:24:24&out=20:28:58
That is my death sentence
Have you forwarded that to Toby? Important that he doesn’t miss it.
Ha. Like he’s responded to anything I’ve written to him recently. I live in his constituency. At least for the moment.
They can plan whatever they want, compulsory/ contingent vaccination is illegal and, at the slightest hint of it being introduced by the government, the government will be in the courts, and they will be in the courts for a very long time.
I don’t think it’s illegal under the Covid Act and the amendments to the 1984 Health Act.
They have seriously draconian powers that would allow them to section you if you refuse, on the grounds that you’re incompetent, then vaccinate you anyway. They can also take your kids, or detain you indefinitely.
Watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzJpRvSUbl4
On the bright side, it doesn’t matter. It’s against International Law, so it’s illegal.
Well let’s hope they don’t break that in some narrow, specific way then.
Against International Law. So they’ll be in the Hague. Ellwood really should know better; despite his Army service, he may not know one end of a rifle from the other, never mind have any knowledge of law. Just another nasty little dictator enjoying his moment in the sun, riding around on a tiger he dare not dismount.
I won’t be apologising to them. Bad as this is, it isn’t the same bullshit they were spinning about not being allowed to go shopping or take part in anything, etc etc.
So, will it do?
Dear Jason McCartney.
I’m writing to ask you to vote against the extension of the Covid Act tomorrow. There is plenty of other perfectly suitable legislation that the government can use to handle our current situation – the difference being that they are subject to parliamentary scrutiny while the Covid Act permits them to govern by diktat.
Here’s a very clear example, given by Mark Harper yesterday. Quoted from Hansard:
It was quite shocking that the North East of England was locked down with such unseemly haste that the Prime Minister himself didn’t know the new rules today. Yet, anyone in NE England caught infringing them would have been guilty of a criminal offence and subject to crippling fines.
The worst thing is that people are not ill, they are not dying of Covid 19. Yes, positive test results have soared because the taxpayers are having to pay for thousands of unnecessary tests every day. The Pillar 2 PCR tests return a 91% false-positive rate. * (Please see article appended below for explanation.) That means that, for today’s trumpeted 7,143 new “cases”, 6,500 will not be carrying the virus. We know that most of those being tested in the community are symptom-free and being forced to be tested for work, travel or school. We also know that there is no evidence that children pass on the virus.
Since the spring of this year PHE’s figures have shown a consistent pattern where the Pillar 2 tests have a positivity rate four times that of Pillar 1 tests. This is counterintuitive when one considers that Pillar 1 tests are taken in a healthcare setting from people who are actually symptomatic.
Then there is the problem with the testing itself. As has been proven, if you do enough cycles, you can find “evidence” of “sars-cov-2” anywhere, even in a papaya. A result after a low number of cycles would mean a more reliable positive – assuming the samples were handled appropriately in a sterile environment and not a tent. Positive subjects should then be independently retested from a fresh sample. This is not happening. When asked how many cycles are being used for PCR tests in the UK, the answers have been evasive.
Spain have reduced their Pillar 2 PCR CT cycle from 45 CT to 30-35 CT.
The impact has shown a dramatic fall in symptomatic “cases” from 11,588 on 18 Sept to 2,425 on 28 Sept.
The “covid deaths” during this period have also reduced from 241 to 59.
Part 2 follows >>>>>>
He is my MP too. Earlier on I posted here the reply I got from him. Disheartening, but let us know if he shows any sign of starting to listen.
And warm regards from a fellow Huddersfudlian.
Yay!
Greetings fellow Colne Valley-ite
Excellent message, by the way, and well done for highlighting the FPR.
McCartney appears to be going on the YouGov data of 23 September which indicates the apparent strength of support for the government’s actions. I must admit I have no knowledge of how YouGov collects its data or the way in which it frames its questions (I’ve certainly never been asked anything by them myself!), and I also feel that the public mood has shifted considerably even in the past 6 days.
Thank you. Here’s his reply:
Dear XXX,
Thank you again for passing on your comprehensive views and evidence, which I have noted.
Discussions are still ongoing on what will be brought forward with the Coronavirus Act renewal tomorrow in terms of further Parliamentary scrutiny. I will consider any amendments chosen by the Speaker and the extension of the Act on merit, after listening to both constituents and the debate.
Kind regards
Jason
Sounds to me as if he may, just may, be beginning to think that it will soon be time to jump ship.
He’s been very cautious with his replies and covers all bases – but at least he replies promptly.
Colne? Web toe
j7 65
Not Colne. Tother side o’thill.
Dave Cullen’s latest video is a good watch :https://www.bitchute.com/video/TBch8gwfH_E/
Good round-up of sceptical news, he thinks that the truth is “a tsunami about to hit the shoreline”.
It is about to hit, I sensed it coming on Saturday.
That’s all I want for (an early) Christmas!
Part 2
So the evidence is very strong that we are not suffering from a deadly epidemic but from a far deadlier casedemic, which is being used to generate fear and systematically destroy the economy and remove our freedoms. I put to you that we are no longer living in a democracy. We are currently being governed by fiat, with totalitarian measures being taken against the people of this country.
The separation of our elderly and their loved ones is cruel and inhumane. My daughter-in law’s father has but a few days to live because of terminal cancer. She’s not allowed to visit him and support her mother because she is the victim of a false positive test result. By the time her unnecessary quarantine expires, he will have died.
And what about the vital psychological and social development of our children, whose futures are already blighted by the financial ruin that the lockdown measures have wrought upon this country? What about the schoolchildren who have just been told they will have to eat their lunches outside thoughout the winter? What about the students who have paid thousands to universities, only to find themselves under house arrest?
I will not comment on the ridiculous scaremongering graph, paraded so mendaciously by Whitty and Vallance last Monday. I think Sir Desmond Swayne admirably summed up that scam. I wholeheartedly agree with him that the covid policy is completely disproportionate.
Instead, I leave Sir Graham Brady to describe the feelings of many of the UK electorate:
Yours sincerely,
XXXX
* Appendix. Explanation of the false positives:
Dr Mike Yeadon is the former CSO and VP, Allergy and Respiratory Research Head with Pfizer Global R&D and co-Founder of Ziarco Pharma Ltd.
“Allow me to explain the impact of a false positive rate of 0.8% on Pillar 2. We return to our 10,000 people who’ve volunteered to get tested, and the expected ten with virus (0.1% prevalence or 1:1000) have been identified by the PCR test. But now we’ve to calculate how many false positives are to accompanying them. […….. etc etc]
The letter is much longer than I intended but I feel much better now!
I feel better for having read it. Such honesty, clarity and emotional force are rare.
Why are people like you, Awkward Git and our other heroes not sitting in Parliament?No doubt you were busy doing good and useful things, but by God, the scum floated to the top while you were busy elsewhere.
Oh thank you Annie, that’s very kind!
I feel I do very little, I’m afraid.
I just pass on info whenever I can.
Melanie Philips still thinks that we are dangerous loons / granny killers.
https://melaniephillips.substack.com/p/the-road-to-hell-really
My response to people that say we are granny killers is that they are child killers. Just wait for the suicide stats in a year.
100%. Melanie Phillips prides herself on going ‘where the evidence leads’ but with the KungFlu she just says ‘trust the government, they know best’ and doesn’t present any evidence to back up her arguments.
I am a grandad and clearly my wife is granny, we find this talk of killing granny the most appalling patronising drivel. Granny and Grandad are on Twitter and on Lockdown Sceptics and can think for ourselves thank you very much. It really riles me when these sanctimonious gloom mongers presume to speak for me. I say not in my name -end all lock down measures now..
My parents and my in laws do not want any of their grand children compromising their lives for their sakes. As my 91 year old step father said “I have had a very good life and, if this is the disease that kills me, so be it, I will not be locking down/ shielding again and that is that.”
Awesome dude!
Logical reasoning.
Hear, hear – from another granny!
Absolutely, we are all ” Coffin Dodgers” when we get old.
Provide all the information we have, update it as our knowledge grows, and allow people to make their own risk assessment, followed by their own choice.
A lean freedom is better than a fat slavery.
Hear hear Steve, exactly my thoughts. I am a Granny, a young one for the age of my grandson but that is irrelevant. I would rather that the young were out enjoying life, as I did, than living in this revolting dystopia.
SNAP,from fellow grandparents and sceptics.
Covid kills old people, sad though this is. It does not kill children. Flu kills babies. If we don’t make a fuss over flu, then why over covid?
More to the point, all the grannies I know are saying: ‘ Not in my name’
I’m shocked by Melanie Phillips. I thought she was better than this. Most people want to live before they die.
Me too. I like a lot of her writing, and find it thought provoking, but there are still some odd inconsistencies in my view that do not stand up to rational thought (in addition to her stance on WuFlu). For e.g. she holds that the war in Irag was still justified even though WMD weren’t found. In my opinion, thats not the point. The WMD were used as the justification. If there was a better justification to convince the UK people then it should have been used. The ends do not justify the means, that’s the route taken by all dictators / revolutionaries / tyrants throughout history.
Melanie Phillips has never struck me as the sort of person who would be particular happy admitting she has got something wrong.
Odd, because admitting when you’re wrong usually gains you respect among your friends. Your enemies are your enemies, whatever you say.
Incredible isn’t it? My natural assumption is to assume that if a person is sound and contrarian on one thing, it must mean that rationality and independence of thought runs through them like a stick of rock. But in the cases of Phillips and Liddle that’s clearly not true. And then I think the opposite: their brains are clearly all over the place and they must have just ‘fluked’ the correct views on some things.
It’s a bit like some of Delingpole’s interviews where he assumes his guest is thoroughly sound and then they come out with some appalling idiocy. In Johnny Ball’s case, I think he didn’t just disagree with Brexit but revealed that he thought Brexiteers were bad people. And the gamekeeper, whose name I don’t know, said it was obvious from his personal experience that man was changing the climate. In both cases Delingpole had to end the interview right there.
Well, “whoever she is” is relying on Bernard Jenkins to back her up. She must be as mad as a bag of frogs!
Considering obesity and diabetes are also key factors in survival rates why don’t they go around saying “Fatty Killer”?
(No offence to any fatties. I think I’m technically one too. Lockdown hasn’t helped.)
Lockdown is a menace when it comes to comfort eating. And beer.
Melanie Phillips has always been a self-righteous twit!
She’s one of several people who have proved to be a real disappointment. I’m thinking of Rod Liddle, Dominic Lawson, Charles Moore. I’m sure there are others.
She is in the ‘vulnerable’ age group – likely clouds her judgment somewhat..
My suspicion is that this may relate to her faith (Jews were unusually hard hit by the virus) and possibly affection for Israel – which has been very lockdown fanatic, enabled by their high security approach.
I think this current student lockdown may well be the most ridiculous of all. Why are we locking down a group who are of absolutely negligible risk of the virus? Why don’t we let them spread COVID and god knows what else whilst away from grannie and grandad? why are we even considering cancelling their Christmas when it is 84 days away? since when did the virus have an incubation period of calendar months?
These last two weeks have been ALL about the renewal of the Covid Act
Because science.
Too much common sense in you post JH.
Hopefully the student situation will be a tipping point that wakes up a lot of sheeple.
Just had an email from my university entitled ‘good news’. I was hoping for something along the lines of ‘all teaching will now be face-to-face with no online bollocks’ but the actual news is that there will be a testing facility on campus.
In other slightly better news they are putting pressure on the government to ensure on campus students are allowed home for Christmas.
Uggh. Definitely anything but good news
“allowed”
You’ve got to laugh. I would have to be arrested if someone tried to physically come between me and my children.
I would rather be arrested than not see my family at Christmas.
Love the use of the word “slightly”…
Not sure that’s good news NCG. Get tested get locked up! Oh, wait…
Don’t use it.
Oh don’t worry, I wasn’t planning to! There are signs all over campus to download the T&T app which I have ignored completely.
Read this and share among your friends.
https://jordanschachtel.substack.com/
Single tests ares next to pointless
https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1310987679828529154?s=20
Ha! Genius
Anyone interested in reading a lockdown diary, here’s one: Diary of a Lockdown Sceptic https://bernicezieba.com/diary-of-a-lockdown-sceptic-b-c-zieba/
Why do my posts always get deleted after shortly? I don’t get it … Not posting anything offensive. Is this some kind of technical issue?
I have never had any issues
Doubt it is due to anything offensive- there’s plenty of that here- freedom of speech
I think it’s because they first appear at the top, then get moved to the bottom as they are accepted. If you scroll down to the bottom or change the order to newest first, you’ll find your post.
do control F and type your name in the box … you’ll find your posts
Peter Hitchens having some fun as Wank-cock’s expense.
https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2020/09/health-secretary-matt-hancock-said-on-friday-18th-september-that-hospital-admissions-for-covid-19-we.html
He’s giving Pfeffel both barrels today
After dePiffle’s performance this morning, he deserves no mercy whatsoever.
The only thing doubling every 7-8 days is the number of people who realise that we have a government without the slightest clue what it is doing. I’m not sure what their objective is. Banish the virus?
They don’t themselves know who’s under what restrictions. If they don’t know, what flaming chance do we have??
Yes, they are going to corner it and say: ” Well, punk, ask yourself, do you feel lucky,etc”
Apologies to Clint for misquoting him, all corrections gratefully received.
Good man. I can see him smoking a blunt at the end of all this.
Brill! Peter my hero, you my favourite tweet-spotter.
When Wancock said cases would double and double
He landed himself in a whole lotta trouble.
Now he’s deep in the s..t,
The horrid little squit.
I do enjoy your couplets, or whatever they are.
More of an engineering guy myself.
Keep it up!
Corona Quiz
https://twitter.com/libertyhq/status/1310919757923782657?s=20
I got 5/5
Me too. Changed username btw. Was Offlands before. Fancied a change.
I notice Dominic Rabb has announced sanctions on Lukashenko.
Remind me again – how have the UK police been behaving and London elections were when?
The sheer hypocrisy behind criticising Lukashenko while getting Met goons to break up pro freedom.marches and fine protestors £10 k without a trial beggars belief.
Yep. Not a big fan of Lukashenko but has Raab forgotten the old adage – charity begins at home?
He should concentrate on how this goverment is trashing the economic and social well being of this country before pontificating about others.
I believe various parties offered Belarus large loans, but they were conditional in exchange for lockdown compliance. Maybe that was the carrot and this is the stick?
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.27.20202465v1.full.pdf
Seroprevalence of anti-SARS-CoV-2 IgG at the epidemic peak in French Guiana
“A territory wide lockdown was set up from March 17th 2020 concomitantly with the rest of French territories, at a time when five imported cases and one secondary case were being confirmed on the territory. The lockdown resulted in limited viral transmission until it was ended on May 11th 2020. In the middle of June there was a rapid intensification of viral circulation over a large part of the territory with 917 confirmed cases of COVID-19 detected from March 4th 2020 to June 11th 2020 . This was followed by the implementation of strict mitigation measures such as curfews and local lockdowns in the course of June and July. The epidemic peaked at the beginning of July with 4,440 cumulative confirmed cases, followed by a gradual slowing down throughout the territory”
“We found that 15.4% [9.3%-24.4%] of the population was seropositive two weeks after the peak of the epidemic. Assuming a two or three-week delay for seroconversion, our estimation reflects the level of infection of the population at the end of June or beginning of July, which roughly corresponds to the epidemic peak. Our results indicate that by that time, at least 44,660 [26,970 – 70,760] of French Guiana’s 290,000 population had been affected by the virus, more than 10 times the official count of 4,440 confirmed cases reported by public health surveillance system by the first week of July
“The case fatality rate of COVID-19 was low during the outbreak as there were 65 COVID-19 related deaths from the beginning of the outbreak up to September 17 [23] across the territory while about 45,000 people have been infected at the beginning of July. These was probably due in part to the young age of the population of French Guiana.”
Very interesting. 300000 people in French Guyana, a much younger population than France and even younger than in South America. In contrast with neighbouring Manaus, remarkable low death rate and also lower immunity total 15%. The authors discuss the possibility of a younger population no practical SD, quickly getting infected and stop of spread. Lockdown fanatics would think the later lockdown was effective. The first lockdown in French Guyana was at the same time as in France which just shows the ridiculous French centralisation as it was totally meaning less. Personally, doubtful if the second lockdown had any impact in that younger population group .Also interesting again if there is a racial difference in susceptibility of C-19 comparing the low death rate in French Guyana with the high death rate Manaus with an Indian population, just opposite the border
Me and Mrs 2-6 cycled past a nearby school today at home time, good to see just 3 kids wearing one. Phew. The whole school was walking down the road.
I was ready for a face-nappy hell zone. Interestingly the kids who were doing it were fairly obviously the “odd kids”. One young girl looked absolute…worrying…I must say. She looked so sad. Poor thing.
Just noticed again today at school chucking out time, virtually all the pupils were non-antisocial distancing. They were congregating in groups of various sizes, some large, as the ambled home. Good on ’em.
yay! yer these kids were in a big tightly packed lump
Same outside Kidderminster college.
The brilliant Peter Robinson of The Hoover Institution interviewing one of my new LS heroes Professor Scott Atlas. The Donald has played a blinder bringing Atlas onto his team.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biC4nHPYtbA
The Guardian is badmouthing him today. Obviously.
Thanks for the link. So refreshing to hear logic and common sense.
Did you notice that this video had been taken down a few weeks ago and only just now reinstated?
This statement at the top of the comments:-
“On September 11th, 2020 YouTube removed this episode of Uncommon Knowledge with Peter Robinson with Dr. Scott Atlas and notified The Hoover Institution that the video “violates our guidelines.” The takedown notice further explained that “YouTube does not allow content that spreads medical misinformation that contradicts the World Health Organization (WHO) or local health authorities’ medical information about COVID-19, including on methods to prevent, treat, or diagnose COVID-19 and means of transmission of COVID-19.” In order to reinstate the interview on their platform, YouTube required the Hoover Institution to add the following disclaimer to two portions of the interview: “Prevailing medical consensus suggests that children can transmit the disease, but at a lower rate than adults.” While we disagree with YouTube’s interpretation of what Dr. Atlas said in this video, we have complied with this request to make the video available to viewers.”
The first 10 minutes of that are simply mind blowing.
That was done back in June before Dr Atlas joined the White House but was reuploaded. I cried when I first watched it.
https://twitter.com/Covid19Crusher/status/1310990475508305921/photo/1
An interesting graph from Didier Raoult Marseille.Deaths in hospitals Marseille per month compared2018-2020 Jan-Aug. With seroprevalence 8 % and a supposedly older population than general in France difficult to spot the pandemic. Or because of Raoult’s treatment with HCQ?
France are doing well sure it’s to do with hcq
Apart from the April spike, any difference in 2020 mortality in the UK isn’t visible, either.
Mortality is now bumbling along at minimal levels.
WTF? is the only sensible question.
Any body know why Whitty, johnson and vallanc are on the podium tomorrow ? More bullshit scaremongering I expect.
Bet they mention the vaccine, they will say things are going well and a vaccine might be available for key workers come December, the rest of us in the new year.
Anything to calm the sheep and dangle the carrot ,so we dont kick up a fuss.
They will forget that Whitty stated in august ,that a vaccine wouldent be available for a year at the earliest.
These lot lie all the time do not trust 1 word they say.
Well done Florida by the way
I’m not sure they will bother with much carrot now. More fear-mongering, threats and some nauseating self-congratulation about the app are what I expect. I’m braced for a national ‘circuit-breaker’ announcement. I don’t see any possibility of them pulling back, so why another announcement so soon unless it’s to heap on more misery? Hope I’m being unreasonably pessimistic.
Funny how a second lockdown coincides EXACTLY with the day the Covid Act is being renewed!
That’s what the last 2 weeks of ramping up the fear and case numbers have been all about. Obviously they think their fellow MPs won’t bother looking at the data themselves and will merely trust whatever Boris/Hancock/Whitty/Vallance say…
They also need to get the public onside (clearly they think the public will buy the fear-mongering) and get some polls fixed by the 77th brigade to use as leverage…
Imminent “circuit breakers” were hinted at this morning.
Have you seen what is happening in Manchester this evening? I think there will be serious trouble if they announce yet more lockdowns and restrictions..
The public no longer believe that ‘2 weeks lockdown’ will actually only be for 2 weeks – not even lockdown zealots believe that any more..!
What’s happening in Manchester, Carrie?
See here: https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1310987679828529154
Brilliant!
Cynically thinking they may say ‘look at how the numbers have gone down because of our amazing, necessary and well thought out interventional decrees’. Jokers,
Where’s James Bond when you need him?
I’ve seen the text of Bojo’s speech:
‘Ya, I’m Churchill, spaff, and we can do whatever we spaffing like because Covid, ya, spaff, so fuck you, fuck you, when I spaff in your face it’s no disgrace ‘cos I am better than you, ya Covid. And here’s my whiny little gimp Starmer to back me up, along with my Tories who pretend to defy me, make a few good points, but then vote for my Covid Act anyway. Ya. Suck it up proles. Spaff. You’re nothing. Covid. Ya.’
If he does say that, I hope some MP points out that Whitty said a year until there would be a vaccine and asks about the side effects that have been reported..
They could also ask why Giesecke – a Swede – said a vaccine would not be imminent either, remembering that Astra Zeneca is part Swedish-owned, so Giesecke will likely know how things are going..
https://afludiary.blogspot.com/2020/09/who-convenes-on-southern-hemisphere-flu.html
The ‘no-show’ of influenza in either hemi-sphere is remarkable. Currently only evidence of flu spread is H3N2 circulating in Cambodia. WHO has hardly any samples to discuss vaccine composition for next season
“This week, the WHO will convene a meeting of flu experts from around the world to decide on what vaccine strains to include in next year’s flu vaccine. Given the limited amount of flu data available, this year’s vaccine component decisions are going to be more difficult than normal.”
ONE bat’s wing, a neut’s eyeball, the leg of a toad, a puppy’s dog tail, some snails, the eye lash of a cow, some angry bluebottles, the urine of an old crone, and some mistletoe.
All the above ingredients can be supplied from the bodies of Cabinet ministers.
Should be fed to them!
Haha
So, there are a few options, and I think one of them must necessarily be true (maybe not mutually exclusive):
1) Flu is spreading as normal, and all of the lockdowns/masks has no impact on any of this.
2) Flu is not spreading at all, because all of our covid suppression efforts are also stopping the flu.
3) Covid has killed susceptible people and so the Flu is going largely unnoticed this year.
4) Nobody is being tested for the Flu because we are only testing for covid… many are turning up positive for CV because of dead virus, existing colds, or false positives.
Yeah, maybe a complex mix of all the above? Would be nice if there was a simple explanation, but it might be a combination of many things.
I thought flu in the UK was pretty much at expected levels, certainly in terms of deaths?
Sounds to me like we’ve “eradicated” the flu, so why bother with next year’s flu vaccine at all? We can just stay locked down indefinitely and die of everything other than flu and coronaviruses.
It is beginning to look as though only the Tories can save us from the Tories.
I think the trajectory of this is clear enough. The government have decided that vaccine is the only route to safety and “herd immunity” is politically unacceptible.
And I worry about the reported deaths figures. In a country of 67 million people (55 million in England) and with the reporting rules so lax it is very very easy to manipulate the figures.
All it would take is for a relatively small handful of government and lockdown sympathetic quacks to “err on the side of caution” and record covid as the death (as opposed to pneumonia or flu) to cause a substantial rise in the numbers.
The Government have bee manipulating the figures since July (3 Months). Easy to check out.
i always thought Witty and Valance were insects …. but more cockroaches rather than bees
Don’t insult cockroaches!
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Germany might just come to our rescue in that regard because they require a positive test to certify a covid death.
New Covid-19 hospitalisations for NHS England have fallen in each of the last four recorded days. 314 new admissions on 23rd September has dropped each day to 241 on the 28th. Data directly from coronavirus.data.gov.uk
If you think track and trace works this global graph will disappoint you bitterly
https://twitter.com/DaFeid/status/1310691263021281280/photo/1
30 million confirmed cases in the world estimated 630 million infections
If it is only incompetence, it’s pretty phenomenal.
They appear to have no idea of the context of the decisions they are making. No clue how our economy works. How our institutions work.
They need to learn that first and foremost.
Secondly they need to ignore the media and do what’s right.
They’re out at the next election anyway, so crack on and leave their legacy.
Looking to verify but just seen report of someone told they can’t get a mortgage because they had a positive rona test weeks ago. Bank said they don’t know how it’s going to affect his lungs in the future, so they don’t qualify.
They did similar in 1995 with HIV so certainly wouldn’t surprise me:
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/get-this-straight-its-an-hiv-test-or-no-mortgage-get-this-straight-its-an-hiv-test-or-no-mortgage-1567102.html
That was an endowment mortgage, so linked to an insurance policy with a life element in it. Perhaps that’s why the BS were criminally intrusive about the matter.
Good that Bill G had not yet developed his chip at that point!
Sounds extraordinary. Why would the bank ask about bat flu test results, and if you had a positive result you’d be a fool to disclose it? Commercial enterprises can’t (yet) access medical records.
It does sound unusual and may be related to life insurance related to mortgage. Trying to verify so taking with a pinch of salt at the moment.
This does correlate though with the lady on here who reported a few months back that her doctor said that she wouldn’t have a test as it could affect credit, mortgage, insurance, etc in the future.
Still, it could be a good ruse to persuade people not to get tested.
Another lesson to all; do not get tested, do not go anywhere near a test & trace site. It is tantamount to shooting yourself in the foot.
Absolutely agree. My travel clients often need tests to travel i.e. to Cyprus. I have been approached by a testing company (legit) and could make significant amounts of money by providing the test kits for my clients. As much as I need the money, there is no way I could do it. I will not facilitate it.
Just do it, take their money, if they’re gonna need a test better you make the money and stay afloat.
People have to stop going for tests.
No Pillar 2 tests = instant end to the “pandemic”.
Worrying!
The nonsense increases exponentially, even if the “cases” don’t!
That strikes me as complete bullshit. You could just as easily say:
You drink wine and we don’t know how that will affect your liver
You smoke and we don’t know how that will affect your lungs.
You’re overweight and we don’t whether you will get diabetes or not.
I agree, Could have been feasible in the old days of endowment mortgages when there was a life assurance element but now with repayment mortgages, it is all about ability to pay.
Now if a positive test stopped you working ……..
However i suppose there is always the possibility of some idiotic adviser just getting everything wrong.
I agree but nothing would surprise me any more.
The latest NHS England data indicates that covid cases in hospital have fallen by 2 from 1883 yesterday to 1881 today. For the last 7 days that makes an increase of 40.9%. somewhat short of hancock’s prediction of doubling. Looking at Covid death stats Covid deaths are no more than 1.5% of total deaths.
So Covid deaths and hospital stats are not supporting the case for lockdowns and It is all now predicated on dodgy pillar 2 test results.
I feel we need to do all we can to challenge this dodgy testing system
And not forgetting the WITH coronavirus versus OF coronavirus.
I agree. Lets start with a simple question. Why is the positivity of Pillar2 tests 4 times that of Pillar1?
If I used two electrical test meters to measure a voltage and one showed 12 Volts and the other showed 48 Volts I would want to find out why and fix the problem.
Not if it played to your agenda though.
I notice Julia H-B is retweeting posts with graphs and figure showing that Hancock lied about hospitalisations and that Vallance’s prediction was way off the mark.
They will live to regret this because there are limits to their ability to conjure up new fake figures – I’m hoping those in the health service who are gagged will at least be honest in their reporting and not acquiesce to any government demands to ‘fix the figures’…
I don’t know if this has been on British media but a Russian outlet has highlighted the fact that Leeds University blocked a fire escape to protect students from Covid. I know of no sufficient adjective. https://sputniknews.com/viral/202009291080608706-firefighters-slam-leeds-uni-for-illegally-locking-fire-exit-to-protect-students-from-covid-19/
I read here last night about students being locked in with cable ties. Didn’t realise the fire escape had been deliberately locked. Someone’s head should roll!
I watched a comic video this morning by Andrew Lawrence in which “Sir Damien Micro-Penis” of an unmentionable university says it is far better that a student should be immolated than a hundred people get the sniffles! How quickly life imitates art.
The video is on this site.
There’s a reason vice-chancellors look nervy.
I think its because they know that blocking fire escapes are a massive breach of H&S legislation as well as they know that once this shitshow is over, they will be subjected to numerous court cases from irate students and their parents..
A student with an arsonist streak could easily ‘sort this’…. Fire Brigade would react at not being able to get in.. And in any subsequent report this would come up. University/Hall of Residence insurance would be immediately invalidated..
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can and will make you commit atrocities…
Remember how we sneered at the Saudis so caught up in their religous belief that they were willing to let young girls die rather than be infected with western ways.
The difference with the Lockdown lunatics religous belief is what exactly?
BBC had it .. Not Leeds Uni but Leeds Becketts .
Pollock halls hostage scene at Edinburgh university -devi’s university actually. The students have reported the estate staff have been physically intimidating towards students who have tried to escape. There is a lack of food and food that has been sent in by tge university is out of date.
Sturgeon says this specific dituation on food is not acceotable. SG CMO says the locked up students is all pretty okay as far as virys msnagement is concerned – he was answering a question from a ‘journalist’ who posed the idea of bubbles going outside for exercise. Leech the CMO wasn’t having any citing this is a global pandemic.
What, so they can’t even get an hour of daily exercise?
This is a global pandemic is clearly the new ‘ I vos only obeying orders’
I would go easy on the Russian outlets. How would they know? And do they have your best interests at heart?
They might know from Russian students. There are many Russian students in British universities.
This was also reported by the BBC, not that I think they have my best interests at heart either.
“Russian outlets…..do they have your best interests at heart?“
No idea, but do I know from direct experience that neither the British government nor British/US mainstream media outlets have the best interests of the British people at heart.
They have journalists (as opposed to state sponsored stenographers).
Lots of very encouraging comments tonight on DM and The Sun websites – the public are now becoming educated about false positives, impact of testing volumes, and how the government are fiddling about with testing / cases / death figures to scare everyone. We must all keep up the good work. Much progress has been made in a couple of weeks, I think.
Regarding the tests that are binned, do they get classed as positive? Just wondered if this could be why positives are so high.
I don’t know about tests that are binned but some tests have false positive rates of 10% plus. They were purchased in a heck of a hurry back in March / April without sufficient due diligence and certainly without the intention to mass test where prevalence (commonness) was less than 1% within a population well after at the end of the epidemic.
Look at this joke of an attempt at due diligence by Public Health England – only 195 samples tested with false positive rate of 1.9% (specificity 98.1%) ..why did they not conduct follow up tests once the virus died down and 20% or 80% or whatever of the population had already had it and millions have RNA viral remnants? What would be the result today? Totally different (a far higher % false positives for sure).
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/889330/Rapid_assessment_Novacyt_Primerdesign_Coronavirus__COVID-19__Genesig.pdf
Not quite what it says. The lab assessment showed zero false positives on 195 samples, which is of course an FPR rate of 0%. That means that, allowing for chance fluctuation in assessments, they are confident that the FPR rate is at most 1.9%.
Reverse-engineering their figures, I think they’re saying that if the FPR had really been worse than 1.9%, the chance of getting all 195 right would have been less than 2% and that is presumably their p-value.
Hi Richard – thanks for this you are 100% correct and that is good math but they left room for doubt in their findings (hence the 1.9%) and the document is packed full of legal caveats. Testing 195 certain samples in controlled conditions is clearly not the same as testing 300K uncertain samples daily as they do now.
Looks to me like they ran this testing back in March, in a hurry, under massive pressure, and obviously on a group of just 195 obvious samples which they 100% knew had the virus. Easy 100% pass for a crafty sales team.
The viral landscape appears vastly different and massively more complex now.
Yet we see that due to entering rushed commercial contracts the same tests are now being used to lock down millions of UK citizens in misery, when they have zero symptoms (as opposed to an easy targets of 195 who obviously had the virus ), and we have seen hundreds of thousands and soon will see millions of jobs are being destroyed by this.
As far as I can tell, FPR and FNR come from three distinct sources.
Firstly, the lab test itself. This has high specificity (low FPR) and high sensitivity (low FNR) when tested on pure cultures — which is of course exactly the way you assess these tests, but not exactly what you give them in practice. That’ what we’re seeing in these PHE assessments
Secondly, there are operational problems, such as mishandling, mislabelling, cross-contamination, improper storage, delays in testing and poor swabbing techniques. The operational problems are assessed in a GOS report to give an irreducible 2% or so FPR.
Thirdly there are issues about whether the virus is present in the part of the body that the sample is taken from (FNR) varying by date and area swabbed, to give FNR between 30% and 100% (yes!) and whether what’s detected is enough to show an active infection (FPR) dependent on cycle number, which I’m not competent to judge. See BMJ paper
In Germany, Bodo Schiffmann’s concept of Freiheitsboten is gaining traction: volunteers connect via Telegram to distribute flyers.
Maybe also an idea for the UK.
So the 77th brigade not got to the comments pages yet then?
I am wondering if the 77th have been stood down.
Maybe temporarily….. they maybe know people are aware of them now? Also Elwood’s comments about compulsory vaccines have not gone down well, so maybe Cummings has told him to lie low for a bit..
I have read that Elwood is also implicated in some way in Obamagate, so he may be monitoring what is going on in the USA.
hummmmm I wonder. Has anybody noticed any 77th antics much in the last few days?
Maybe instead they are reading this site to help plan their next moves!
Too clever for them I’d say.
Adam Hill is still active in the DT comments.
Lol
God how much I detest that twat! He and I have a lot of ding dongs (I post their under my real name)
Who knows what the 77th are doing. Early on in the lockdown, I got the feeling that they were drawing widespread media attention to conspiracy theories (eg. 5G), to make the public believe that questioning or objecting to government policy was akin to denial that covid exists, or the belief in conspiracy theories.
Another question – do all MPs hate Toby too much to take a look at this comments forum? They must surely know about it by now!
The NFL demonstrates how to deal with and test properly.
Result: no casedemic at all.
https://jordanschachtel.substack.com/
This is excellent news.
http://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2020/09/few-americans-have-coronavirus-antibodies-study-finds.html?sf129512559=1
The research was conducted by analyzing blood samples from more than 28,000 patients on dialysis across 46 states.
Only 9% of US population has serological evidence of infection a long way from herd immunity.
Easy to imagine the response from this article. Lockdown fanatics evidence to lockdown more. Others confirming we are near herd immunity with this less exposed highly selective immunocompromised population having this percentage also in light of rapidly waning antibodies.
The big fight between the two different groups will continue
The big fight between the two groups will continue, but the case for the lockdown fanatics is always based on what might happen rather than what has happened or is happening.
I’d put money on this being the case for influenza and many other viruses, we have several layers of immune system before we need antibodies. If you have antibodies then you’ve been unwell. They also looked at people with quite advanced kidney failure as they’re on dialysis. Hardly a representative sample of healthy people. This from a medical school? Really? More like Hogwash school of the Black arts.
The dictator will go full Nazi tomorrow
Not yet, not by a long way. Our system of government is evolving into a new interpretation of authoritarian rule though. Not quite yet sure it fits very easily into any existing categories. Technocracy is about the closest.
Just before Parliament votes on the continuation of the act…
I am wondering if the covid hysteria from the government is more about convincing the City of the reality of this emergency rather than the population.
Given the importance of the City to the UK economy……and the financial repercussions….after all other countries seem able to take a more relaxed approach.
Could there be something in this?
He might go full weird. Like a ban on talking in public places.
He’s banned just about everything else.
That sounds like a Chris Morris Brasseye Special. We could do with a Brasseye special at the moment.
Yes! That and a new series of The Thick of It.
Maybe he will go for the people must walk on hands and knees.
Just to test how far they can push.
I said similar to the missus yesterday. It’ll be something like you need to walk on your hands on a Wednesday and Thursday. The opposition will be outraged and go on all the tv shows saying that it should be at least Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. Us Proles will then be able to give thanks that we live in a functioning democracy with checks and balances.
As Tucker Carlson would say ‘shut up serf and obey’
Or instead, that people are only allowed to whisper to each other… wouldn’t want any sceptic comments to be overheard and ‘convert’ others now, would we?!
Lovely hopeful video from computing forever – before the dam breaks. https://youtu.be/TBch8gwfH_E
Compendium style update with slightly Irish weighting, relevant for anyone.
You have to have a sense of humour ( is that still allowed?)
I was at our local Wilco’s today and to save waiting, I went to a self scan till; it was only when I emptied my bag that I realised I had scanned and paid for a pack of opened sanitizing wipes that had been left for the “sheep” to use (I always ignore the sanitizing gels and wipes I’m asked to use)
If you didn’t laugh, you would cry.
Hope you got a refund?
Never thought about that.
PS: can we get a refund for Bojo ?
Sorry once you have voted at the election, we do not offer refunds.
Did you not see the sign outside the Polling Station?
Liverpool could be first city to impose two-week ‘circuit breaker’ lockdownMayor says that ‘if can have the severest measures of lockdown now we may arrest the increase’ in Covid-19 cases
Twat!
However Damien Moore, the Tory MP for Southport, said Liverpool is “a huge city which attracts people from all around the region to work there” and queried how a key sector worker from outside the area would continue to get to work if a “circuit-breaker” lockdown were imposed.
“You can’t lock down the whole of the region,” he added. “I don’t know, personally, how you would make it work.”
Better!
Some cracking comments:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/09/29/two-week-circuit-breaker-lockdown-could-imposed-first-city/
MP is right to question that, but the more fundamental question is after 2 weeks what has been achieved and what has changed?
Well the locals would be pretty pissed off for starters.
Between 21-27 September:
During this time period 4 people died after testing positive for Covid-19 at Liverpool University Hospitals Trust, the only deaths in hospital in the region.
4 deaths out of a population of 630,000!
I really envy the likes of Madrid and Marseille where the local authorities are brave enough to tell the federal government where to go when they want yet another lockdown. Instead we have the idiot Joe Anderson who is even more of a bedwetter than Boris and Handcock.
Just two weeks to flatten the curve, or sorry, break the circuit. We’ve seen this film before…
Radio Scotland. Sturgeon pulpit hour gave a figure of 807 ‘infections’ yesterday. Radio Scotland threw over to the long in the tooth Brian Taylor to shape public thought immediately after the pulpit hour. Brian Taylor announnced to the nation that 807 people had died yesterday. No apology for his ahem ‘error’. The present who threw to him did not correct him, so I guess the producer of the show is either secind rate or a viscious propagandista. I would bother to contact the bbc disinfirmation unit but marianna spring has proved multiple times she is engaged in disinformation as is Brian Taylor.
For completeness the programme followed up with a report abojt rig workers not willing to switch at personal financial risk from oil to renewables. Something which the bbc social engineers say is required for a green recovery from covid. The report included an oil worker who gave his reasons for not daring to risk his career by throwing in the oil towel and paying for renewables training. The producer had been to work on the oil workers voice – all high end deleted, full bass gained. Essential the production gave him the sound of the voice of satan. It was extreme.
Was walking down Whitehall and got chatting to two women from Save Our Rights UK who were handing out leaflets. We talked about the effects of the lockdown and how its destroying the fabric of society, it was great having a face to face chat with fellow lockdown scpetics.
I suggested that they add Heneghan and Gupta on their leaflets for people to check out. But alas I forgot to mention this site. AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!
On an interesting note, on the platform waiting for a train on the underground, I was again approached by someone asking for directions. Yet again I was the only one unmuzzled.
Edinburgh University had a billboard outside their ‘Futures Institue’ for a few years until very recently – “edinburgh university reshaping the fabric of society”. Pretty disgusting.
Fortunately, I guess, that whole endeavour rather collapsed and became a sort of hollow cross-departmental marketing scheme rather than anything solid and purposeful. (It got its own “great reset” when the original main guy decided to step back from it. He could probably see where it was going: nowhere good or just nowhere.)
I think I vaguely remember that billboard. It was arrogant and presumptious.
You probably got approached because they knew they’d be able to understand you, with you not wearing a mask!
That’s very likely. The woman was very thankful when I pointed to her where she should go and that she understood what I was saying.
Is an unmuzzled person considered more trustworthy? Is that why you were asked?
Yes, that too!
I have a trustworthy face
Seriously I have no idea why. Even at work where I am the only unmuzzled member of staff, I get asked and visitors talk to me.
‘At last! A human being!’
Ah, lovely. More rules to break from Thursday in North Wales. On Friday I’m going for a day-long walk to see how many county borders I can cross in one day.
To quote the Prodigy: Fuck ’em and their law
I’m going Manchester. Hoping for a 10pm street party.
If tomorrow doesnt bring sunak out into the sunlight to annouce how £10k to eco your home works then we know we have another politucian willing to mislead the public.
In his 50% off food speech he said in September he will be starting at scheme to aid the green recovery by giving £10k per home for insulation, green stuff. We are nearly out of September.
I don’t know why people rate Sunak – he is ex-Goldman Sachs; do we really want someone with loyalties to world banks as PM?
Agree. He is the good cop to Pfeffel/Hancock’s bad cop. Two cheeks on the same arse.
I think the government are naive enough to think Sunak will go down well with all ethnicities.. And he would fit any NWO ideal profile too (I’m thinking the Kalergi plan here).
But talk about how the other half live – did you see a few months back when he was showing off on Twitter some thermos mug he had, which cost an absolute fortune! Sharing skin colour with certain minority ethnic groups will not automatically mean they like him, when they can see that he has nothing else in common with them…
No, we don’t. He’s a slime ball.
Precisely – links to the source of the last crisis.
They must think people are stupid and will not look into his background!
You never ‘leave’ the Vampire Squid!
Ooh, how did you get hold of that?
Can you tell us what the view is like from inside the bunker? Are you a lone sceptic, or are there more of you lurking? What do people on the inside feel is driving this?
Would also like to know this!
Oh, good, we have an insider here
It has to be on its way tomorrow, or sunaks reputation is toast. Though carrie has a point. He’s no provider of trust me vibes.
May be already posted. The absolutely chilling man tobias elwood.
Rolling out of vaccines to the population carried out by British Armed Forces. 2 min speech in the commons.
Covid vaccination certificate required for travel.
House of Commons
Monday 28 September 2020
Rt Hon Tobias Ellwood MP 77th Brigade (Bournemouth East, Conservative)
https://twitter.com/JosefKalfsGran/status/1310726021482778630?s=20
Your army vaccinating you giving you an internationally recognised certificate to allow travel.
Please explain how this is incompetence. Sorry to mention that division again but genuinely trying to keep at least an understanding of how the ‘incompetence’ side of skeptics think about mattters.
Needs to be shown to any zealot who thinks mandatory vaccines and covipasses in order to participate in society or travel are merely a ‘conspiracy theory’!
To conspire is to act or work together toward the same result or goal, and this isn’t a theory since it’s out there for everyone to see. So I don’t even see this as an example of a conspiracy theory — the only thing we’re arguing about is who, fundamentally, is behind this evil plan.
I know, but there are still people who think this is all just ‘incompetence’ and regard any other POV as a conspiracy theory – even our host here keeps saying it is just incompetence. Is he awake yet, I wonder, or is this site merely c o n t r o l l e d o p p o s i t i o n ?
If it is monitored, it will provide a useful guide to how opinion is moving in the more non-conformist part of society. Useful to keep an eye on.
Amazing. People wake up to the government’s BS, then believe absolutely ANYTHING some other moron comes up with as being the truth. So you’ve exchanged one group manipulating you for another.
Well done.
I’d like to think that once people have woken up to the government’s BS, they’d be more discerning about other sources of info.
You’d think so, yes :o))
I agree Lisa. Conspiracy has a flavour of criminality about it. Collabouration on the other hand has been a long standing favoured wird by LAs, Charities and Govs. To my mind collaboration is as bad as conspuracy or indeed worse, yet they merrily use it as matter of fact.
As Steve Bannon say’s about other matters – ‘it’s not a conspiracy theory because its in your grill’
Nobody has mentioned a “covipass to participate in society”. Made up shite from whoever. Innoculations for international travel, which is what Ellwood mentions, are nothing new. You can believe this crap if you like, but it’s bullshit.
Elwood clearly said that those who did not get vaccinated would continue to be subject to restrictions and he mentioned social distancing so he clearly did not merely mean international travel. This fits in with Johnson’s moonshot plan of daily testing in order to be able to work and socialise. If you are going to have an imminent vaccine, then why spend money on the moonshot project which would then not be needed? There is clearly a more long-term element to it.
Someone posted the entirety of Elwood’s speech on here somewhere..
He said international travel. The certificate would have to be “internationally recognised”. He mentions restrictions and social distancing yes, but I’m reading that as meaning these continue in areas that haven’t been vaccinated, rather than individuals. Here’s his speech:
https://twitter.com/Tobias_Ellwood/status/1310986075343642624
I am reading that as segregated society.
Watched it. I agree that those who are not vaccinated will have their activities restricted.
Actually, Ellwood explicitly says that people who do not “yet” have the vaccination will have to live with continued restrictions. Those who get it will be “allowed” to live normally. I have refused to believe this is a conspiracy, but when someone that high up in the government says something like that, well, let’s just say I’ve been having panic attacks ever since I saw it.
My pick for the next PM. A dark horse in every sense of the word. He would fit the bill perfectly.
I really hope not!
It will be a dark period for the nation should that occur. He appears to have been fast tracked and also connected.
I thought maybe Sunak had been headhunted and possibly already approved by the WEF, WHO, Bill G, Bilderberg and Davos lot, etc..
But maybe Elwood is the backup plan, or is to assist Sunak, or take over after him?
You need to catch up with UK Column to see why that’s a very scary suggestion.
There are people who advocate compulsory vaccination even in normal times. The current hysteria has just made them even more convinced that they know what is best for everyone else.
Yes, but this time Bill G is actively involved with the UK government and is advising them..
“Mass vaccine rollout is an enormous responsibility, and we need to get it right. Planning must start immediately, and I have written to the Prime Minister recommending that he consider calling on the Ministry of Defence to establish a small task force, led by a senior empowered voice of authority, to begin the planning and design of a draft blueprint. The Armed Forces have the capacity, the logistical experience and the national reach, and are not over-burdened by any current duties involving or tackling Covid-19 to take on this mammoth and incredible task. And when you of course consider what is involved: the logistics of shifting millions of refrigerated vaccines across the country, the creation of regional distribution hubs which then feed into mobile testing centres, developing a national database to track progress and issue the vaccination certificates, which they themselves will probably have to be internationally recognised in order to allow international travel….I also believe that the biggest challenge will be in managing the transition period, potentially up to a year, when parts of our society are liberated from the threat of Covid-19 and would like to seek to return to normality, and those who have yet to be vaccinated but still subject to continued social distancing rules.“
FFS.
Meh.
making vaccines isn’t that easy. You won’t need the flipping army to roll it out as there won’t be that much available all at once.
I’ll be at the back of the queue. 5 years down the line. When I am sure it’s safe and efficacious. Those at the front are candidates for the Darwin Award.
My thoughts too.
Agree with you there.
I have a healthy immune system, so do not require any vaccine for flu or otherwise, no matter how many years pass.
People need to share that. It was said by Tobias Elwood MP in parliament.
You are going to be needing to get a vaccine to travel. Badly rushed vaccine at that with unknown effects – long covid – long vaccine. If you go for the rna vaccine you are likely to pass the modifications on to future generations, althought they win’t know that because the research will not have been done.
This is the end goal of lockdown. It is relevant to all.
Kevin’s post a few hours ago is worth reading on this subject… he reckons they had a plan but the timing is not working as they wanted, because the vaccine is taking longer than they hoped..
I think that is exactly right. At the start of this Sarah Gilbert was very confident her Oxford Vaccine would be ready by September. If I was a betting gal, I would put money on it not seeing the light of day. On incidence of transverse myelitis is unfortunate, two looks like a bit of a pattern, and three…
Giesecke was very upfront with the Irish, that any strategy they built should not be based on the imminent availability of an effective vaccine.
Hence the ramping up of the tracking QR codes in the UK now, in order to get people used to regular testing being a precondition of entry to anywhere outside the home. The full vaccine passport will come later…
I do not think the Swedes will mandate a vaccine until proven at least as ‘safe’ as other vaccines – remember they had a high incidence of narcolepsy when the Swine flu vaccine was offered here… not that many years have elapsed since then – it is still fresh in peoples’ minds..
That is why I am hopeful that this coup will fail.
They must be absolute fools to believe you can just create a vaccine on demand. Don’t they have any medical awareness?
On the other hand if they don’t get a vaccine what do they do? Keep us locked down indefinitely? How long can they keep up the fear?
The slight problem could be if they have now legislated (via SI?) to allow for the use of non-licensed vaccines.. Remember the act already allows them to remove people from their homes if they suspect they are infected and forcibly treat them..
If you refused a test, they could potentially remove you from your home and hold you in custody until you submitted to an unlicensed vaccine…
Can we check this? I do not think the coronavirus Act did allow mandatory vaccination.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-covid19-uk-legal-vaccinatio-idUSKBN22H20E
Not mandatory yet anyway.
It won’t be mandatory.You will be barred from everyday life without proof of vaccination.Covid/identity passport leading to tattoos embedded in the skin.
It did not, but it did allow forced removal and detention/treatment of anyone suspected of having the virus (hence the worry of children being taken from school and treated). They have talked about mandatory vaccine if voluntary take-up is not as high as they want (they really want 100% take-up, obviously).
The WHO said recently that if children are in school on the day vaccines are given (whatever vaccine – including forthcoming flu one) then consent is deemed to have been given. They also let children decide themselves now and override their parents’ objections – shocking!
There was a parent the other week whose daughter had been given a HPV vaccine without the parent being able to object – the child did not even know what she had been vaccinated against – hardly ‘informed consent’.. Neither did the parent know what the vaccine was until a few days later when she was sent a text message (!).
Yes, I read the WHO document that was posted here a while ago.
I still cannot get my mind around this urgency to vaccinate everyone.
I am very aware of vaccine injury. I follow Prof Exley, and Prof Gherardi’s MMF research.
You cannot treat a medical intervention as if it is just a technical fix.
I cannot believe that the medical profession will not protest about this.
This shows absolutely no respect for human health. It is criminal.
I believe that the rush to vaccinate is to exploit people’s fear of the virus – easier to get people vaccinated when they are afraid of an imminent threat. When there are no deaths, people will not be so keen to sign up for a vaccine…
The elwood to parliament statement made clear it doesnt need to be mandated. Just be removing your life unless able to show vaccine cert is enough. Insurance, travel, work, socialising all become vaccine cert activities. The exclusion from those things gets them around the mandatory vaccine.
Luckily more people are against this vaccine than against lockdown. That is where I see the ray of hope.
That’s not what he said.
I did not say he said that. He made it clear that he wants the country to prepare for the have vaccines and the have nots. This coupled with his statement about certificates made it clear, as I said, that you will need to be vaccinated to mingle.
Once people have been conditioned by the moonshot plan of daily testing as a condition of entry to theatres, workplaces and so on, it will be easier to add a vaccine record to the ‘moonshot pass’ on your mobile..
It doesn’t. Against international law.
Neither scientific nor medical awareness. There are some MPs on both sides who are doctors, mainly GPs. There are a couple of scientists – Therese Coffey and Lucy Powell, both incidentally with Chemistry degrees from Somerville College Oxford. Mrs Thatcher was cut from a different cloth! Most of the members of SAGE are not scientists in the conventional sense. The problem from the start was that Mr Cummings interpretted ‘the science’ for our somewhat lazy PM. The second problem is that Mr Cummings is not anywhere like as smart as he, and his acolytes think he is. They are now trapped without a vaccine before autumn 2021 at the earliest. The ‘old hands’ know that, and that the economy is about to implode. Most people will trade food and a warm house over fear of catching a virus. Having lived through the 1970s, I know what my father would have done!
Not only are they a long way from a vaccine, but Brexit is on the horizon and if some internet sources are to be believed, they were banking on selling the Oxford vaccine to the EU and linking this to a Brexit deal. Now they cannot.
Inevitable upheavals and disruptions to supply chains caused over the coming months by Brexit, however temporary, could have been slightly disguised/explained away by the pandemic, but cases are falling all over Europe, and other countries are not locking down, so they have a big problem.. Especially as the furlough scheme cannot be prolonged forever..
Agree. We will have our end game – removal of lockdown and all restrictions – before Boris & Co get theirs – full-scale roll out of a vaccine.
It would be good to read the failure to provision clauses in the cintracts for prebuying vaccines. We were told they were starting mass production ahead of the trials. Whether true or not it would be a large court case I suspect to have the country pay for failed vaccines.
They have stockpiled other vaccines before that were unnecessary – doubt we ever got any money back for them..
Brexit won’t cause “upheavals and disruptions to supply chains”, EU Commission stupidity might though. Bring it on.
Have you read Dominic Cummings blog? The man is a fantasist, with no grasp of practical reality. It reads as if he has absorbed too many sci-fi novels and cannot tell the difference between those and normal life.
Also he clearly believes he has superior intelligence!!!!
He is dangerously and stupidly deluded.
Anyone who trusts his judgement has been on too many mind altering stimulants
Thanks i will look it out or repost here if faster? I sense they have gone too soon on much of this, they are panicked as their little window of opportunity closes. Closing window means the understanding of the scam is growing towards critical mass.
I’ll seek out Kevin’s comment.
I think someone said you can use control + F (?) to look for posts on here?
Unfortunately it doesn’t work after the number of comments gets over a certain, quite low, level.
Agreed. No mention of the facts that vaccine development takes years, that no successful vaccine for any coronavirus has ever been developed, that there is no guarantee that the vaccine will actually work etc.
Just get it into the entire population within a year, and make it effectively mandatory. No jab, no life.
Nor of the fact that the development of the Sars Cov 1 vaccine was halted at the Phase 3 trial stage, after 5 years, because there weren’t enough live cases left in the world to make it worthwhile to continue.
That sound like a military coup. He who holds the vaccination gun rules the world!
Joining the dots isn’t much of a challenge.
5) the government are committed to carbon zero which is dependent on a smaller population, and is in cahoots with Bill Gates, the UN, the WEF and the WHO, all of whom have the same agenda. Less air travel (covipass-dependent) and vaccines are part of a depopulation strategy.
He and his extended family and his 77th chums can be the first lab rats. Twat.
I think it’s because the alternative to believing it’s usual government incompetence is absolutely terrifying.Its like their mind doesn’t want to go there.Ive been convinced since the Leicester lockdown that the government were up to no good.Everyday brings more evidence
No it isn’t. It’s because people with strange voices in their head join dots together, usually confusing which dot comes first in a timeline and which follow on after. Conspiracy theories are bullshit, end of.
Nick, what is your opinion of the global reset, as spoken about by Prince Charles, amongst others?
Right. International travel, not internal travel. This is nothing new, you’ve often needed innoculations to visit certain countries, either to keep you safe while there or to prevent you bringing something back. One of my passports is full of them for travel to Africa and Asia. Happened for decades.
Yes, Ellwood and the government are attempting to make this particular vaccination mandatory, and I cannot predict what else these morons may attempt to piggyback onto it, but they are morons, and they are probably destined to fail.
Don’t forget that the “theory” to which you avoid referring also claims that these “mandatory” vaccinations are also supposed to cause death/sterility/infertility/sub-human modification/slavery/mind alterations/insert nano-chips for tracking, depending on which of the many versions of this tired conspiracy theory you listen to.
This government is incompetent. If it was remotely competent, Ellwood would not be saying what he’s saying. I’m not even sure he knows what he’s saying. First off, mandatory medical interventions are ILLEGAL UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW. We have people such as Josef Mengele to thank for that. I don’t know how many bloody times I’ve got to repeat this. It’s not going to happen, and if they try, they’ll be snarled up in national AND international court cases for decades. There is nothing, but nothing, repeat nothing going on in the United Nations to change this aspect of international law.
Secondly, this incompetent government will be lucky to survive past Christmas. The chances of a vaccine being ready by then, or in six months, or a year, or two, is slim. The chances of the restrictions lasting much beyond the current government is even slimmer. This is not going to happen, except in Ellwood’s (and conspiracy theorists’) fevered imaginations.
I’ve been looking at and hearing conspiracy theories for over forty years. They all have one thing in common: they contain elements of truth, which are the hook, but ultimately they are all bullshit.
Mandatory vaccination is already law in some US states, California being one of them
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/wp-content/uploads/07-24-20-2020-7-23-Sussman-NY-Complaint.pdf?eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=51caa2eb-a90b-4fbb-87d1-75d3995f8994
Then they’re breaking international law. If you’re from there, get a case together.
Nah, I’m English!
At this point nick rose:
Don’t forget that the “theory” to which you avoid referring also claims that these “mandatory” vaccinations are also supposed to cause death/sterility/infertility/sub-human modification/slavery/mind alterations/insert nano-chips for tracking, depending on which of the many versions of this tired conspiracy theory you listen to
Fuck off.
Whats with you suggesting im referring to theories and not mentioning them? You sound as though you might have a bit of an axe to grind there nick? Bit of an agenda inventing things I am talking about but not talking about. Fuck off.
Actually it will lead to internal travel restrictions. You only need to look at China’s Social Credit system.
They are limiting access to buildings & public transport unless they get their green light on their health passport app!
LOVE these parties. Wish I was 20yrs younger
Mirror Online: 200 Coventry University students flout lockdown rules with huge party in halls.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/200-coventry-university-students-flout-22763295
Good luck to them – they’re going to need it.
Good on them. Make it every night!
Great to hear, keep them coming guys!
I cheer every time I hear of young people doing what young people do! They’ll get us to herd immunity if they keep up the good work. Young people do occupy both ends of the spectrum though — they can be the biggest virtue signallers on the one hand and the granny-killing partiers (sarcasm) on the other.
I hosted a Corona party in April. Sadly only the bunny, my teddy, a penguin, a mouse and 2 sheep attended. One got Corona, so we invited the hedgehog to the next party. Photos on https://www.instagram.com/suedfrucht00/
They are quite fun.
My mum, a healthy but isolated 80 year old, living in Carmarthenshire ( currently being ‘monitored’) told me this evening that next door town Llanelli has only 2 Co Vid patients in their main hospital – neither in ITU nor on ventilators. She simply cannot understand the local lockdown
On average, there are under two patients with covid in every hospital in the UK.
Good fact!
One agregious stat that was puked forth in todays Scottish briefing by the CMO was that if 6 over 80 year olds were given covid one would die.
Now, as I recite that I feel awkward and ill at ease knowing I am talking in relation to somebodies mum. Yet that is what the SG CMO stated in a broadcast to the nation. He did not give reference, he did not say underlying health issues, he did not say anything more than what I have said above. This is a reason for lockdown he said.
Even if that were true, which I am not sure it is, is it a reason to lock down? After 80 you’re on borrowed time and everyone knows it.
It was so offensive to hear the cmo lie/disingenously quote as fact without giving the actual facts. His whole speech today cherry picked data from around the world to scare the public. That was the motivationn behind hus words. An awful man. Thoroughly untrustable in my view.
I bet he didn’t mention Sweden lifting the ban on care home visits and the limit of 50 at gatherings, in spite of the fact that cases have risen slightly here!
Arrgh! Don’t get me started, well I knid of started this myself. No. He did not mention sweden. Netherlands yes, spain yes and other places with high ‘cases’. I mean it was propaganda right so you can basically write the speech yourself – propaganda kind of has a pattern to it.
Krankies sockpuppet and wannabe dictator is a sodding dentist.
I’m assuming they project 1 in 6 dying because they still refuse to give people the option of High dose Vit D and prophylactic doses of HCQ +zinc?
As that seems to be true, Gregor the barbarous tooth puller is more responsible for pain and avoidable extractions as another scandal is the lack of 1st world dentistry in the UK for 7 months.
Being ultra clear – it wasn’t a projection. The leech said it as fact.
Totally agree with HCQ zinc vit D, so much went through my mind as he came out with his statement.
Well said, I possibly said projection because I was also thinking that “SJW always project”, I was thinking that the cabal in Krankie central are probably wishing for more deaths to justify their Belarus style regime.
… and if they had ‘flu?
If I was one of those 80+ year-olds and I had Alzheimers, I’d consider it a blessing.
And in the unfortunate event of their dying at home, their spouse’s call to their GP may result in said doctor declining to visit, asking them to hold their mobile phone to the deceased lips to check for respiration, to lift their eyelid, mobile phone in hand, confirm that that is sufficient to issue the death certificate, and without missing a beat, remind spouse to ensure any hospital paraphernalia ( commode etc, since likely other co morbidities present) is returned promptly to the hospital. It has happened, I assure readers.
Wrexham lockdown surprised me to be honest. I was reading yesterday that once a region hit 50 cases per whatever it would go into lockdown. We were at 35 today. Then later today – bam. Click clunk. They’re not even pretending to follow their own rules now. October lockdown – just as I predicted back in June. Plandemic indeed!
Obeying it or ignoring it? On second thoughts don’t answer that, just in case. Flintshire, Denbighshire, Conwy and Wrexham…
Not a national lockdown though, oh no.
Slowly things are changing…
TalkRADIO news at 21:00 said that 7143 new cases today, but this is also the highest number of tests done in a day.
May not seem much but slowly it changes.
James Whale has just had a couple of interesting callers, one talking about PCR tests and another talking about the death rates. Worth a listen.
TalkRADIO on YouTube
Talk Radio are doing an excellent job at the moment of giving a voice to sceptics! Without interrupting them either..
That’s probably because I really swore at them on youtube back in April.
Good for you.
To be fair Mike Graham has been talking almost weekly to Peter Hitchin since early April, now they find almost nothing related to the farce to clash about.
Most output is at least balanced, if not full on sceptic about the farce.
LBC on the other hand is like a subset of The BBC, maybe Nick Abbot & Maajid Nawaz standing out for being more open to the farce.
Yes, even Mike says that there are pretty much on the same page – I hope any lockdown zealot listeners have gone on the same ‘journey’!
Julia H-B was pro-lockdown at the start but she also seems to be a sceptic now.
Just back from Sainsbury’s, it was fine. Girl on the door asked, I said I was exempt, nothing other than that.
Every other customer masked. None of them looked at me at all. One member of staff without one.
Sounds almost totally normal.
Normal for a zombie apocalypse perhaps! I had the misfortune of being back in Toronto for one day and was sick at how many people are wearing masks where and when they don’t have to. First time I saw idiots wearing masks alone while driving. Each trip has been increasingly disheartening, which is why we listed our home there today. I wouldn’t even try to go to a grocery store unmasked as they will absolutely refuse you entry. All we can do is launch a human rights complaint or take the business to small claims court; outside the city it’s somewhat better.
Ug
Q How would you answer a health care professional who says “we are in the middle of a pandemic”
Define Pandemic.
Explain what the consequences of that Pandemic are.
Explain what measures may be appropriate to deal with the threat, at a societal/public health level.
Whatever measures are suggested need to be costed and weighed against the benefits.
Say why doing nothing is not the best option.
If measures are suggested, how long should they last and at what point is the pandemic “over”.
Ask whether he thinks the lockdown measures have prevented any deaths and, if so, does he honestly think they’ve prevented more than they’ve saved?
Ask what his / her understanding of a pandemic is?
As a pandemic, it’s pretty anemic. It doesn’t even rank in the top 20 pandemics in recorded history. It ain’t the Black Death, Spanish Flu, HIV/AIDS pandemic, the Asian Flu or the Hong Kong Flu.
But, Ahhhhhhhh
“Just give it two more weeks!”
I’ve been hearing that for months! They bellow that yes, the deaths are very low but there’s a lag between cases and deaths…except there doesn’t actually seem to be. I have finally realized that logic, facts, and data do not penetrate the lizard brains of those living in fear.
Actually it frustrates me that Julia H-B still refers to the ‘pandemic’ on her show – wish she would say ‘epidemic’ or something else (not sure she is at ‘plandemic’ yet)
Maybe we need a text campaign, we all know the use of words is very important.
Yes, a vocabulary list with the words and phrases they use in one column, and in the other, what they really are saying..
two weeks = 6 months
cases = people who have tested +, without symptoms
exponential growth = levelling off or small rise in numbers
and so on…
E.g. ‘safe’ / ‘incarcerated and enslaved’
Vallance in the dumb and dumber press conference used the word epidemic numerous times.It wasn’t taken up because of the furore over the dodgy graph
It’s not an epidemic – that’s the reason the term ‘pandemic’ (meaning just a widespread infection – like a rash) is used to scare the shit out of people.
Casedemic sums it up!
I would simply ask him at what point he would conclude that the pandemic is at its end… and then I’d go from there.
“Do you know what the word means? Do you know that a common cold can be ‘pandemic’ “
Respond by saying “Don’t talk a load of fucking shite, you stupid bastard”.
Winner winner chicken dinner
Isolate him or her, and call in an exorcist.
Many Thanks For all the Replies! You guys never disappoint!
First I’d point out that it hasn’t met the WHO’s definition of pandemic.
Dear Editor,
Can we please have some face-nappies photoshopped over the face of bell-end Kier Starmer and that other idiot who is with him please?
This might be beyond the realms of technology but could they have some blue gloves and some visors drawn-on too please?
Also can we “loose” the sweaty masked up people kissing in the face nappies ?, It makes me feel queasy.
I liked the feet more.
I hate both.
That would be a great improvement.
Every time I see that pic of Sir Kneelalot, I want to vomit.
Apologies if already posted. Carl vernon has a picture of a pub’s rules.
No extended eye contact… with other tables.
Carl Vernon
@RealCarlVernon
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Eyes No “extended eye contact” Eyes
Is that a new Rona pathogen
https://twitter.com/RealCarlVernon/status/1310840157692669952?s=20
It’s gone into the Science of Goat Staring now.
Brilliant 2 6!
Well why waste a good pandemic
Was it the US military that worked with goat staring?
Yes, they really did.
That’s it, they’ll be mandating blinkers next
Covid goggles!
That will be tomorrow. from 11:59 pm
Mandatory, with a fine – so no time to buy them before the law comes into force and thus easy fines for the covid wombles to hand out.
I think most of the population are blinkered, they did not need a physical device.
The best yet!
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-bar-satire/fact-check-london-bars-ban-on-extended-eye-contact-is-a-satirical-add-to-coronavirus-restrictions-and-not-an-actual-rule-idUSKBN26K1UU
Fact check but who fact checks the fact checkers? Satire is posh for piss take. Things are so outlandishly junk that a HEALTH AND SAFETY notice includes a piss take in the middle of a deadly pandemic. Really? Impressive work by reuters. You’ll see that the real story is missed by the fact checkers.
I wish Armando Iannuci would hurry up and and write the end …
“What is this? Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Cunt?”
Sorry Suey, was trying to give you a
A short 1 min clip from Ireland a politician in a public hearing asks about a theoretical case of a man falling off a roof, goes to hospital is tested positive for covid and dies. Is that a recorded covid death asks the politician? The health(?) Official replies yes it would be, we use the WHO definition of covid cases.
https://twitter.com/PhilipWatson_/status/1311011971865739271?s=20
Zombies everywhere, Keep Off Roofs! Falling off a roof gives you Covid! Waaaaah!
I am finding this increasingly bizarre and extraordinary. The BBC are now full on with reporting the number of “cases”. Obviously deaths or even ICU numbers are not interesting. Surely the whole point of “cases” is as an indicator of future casualties. Otherwise you may as well report cases of a hangover or a sore finger. So, if you had decided to report “cases”, as the BBC obviously has, you would have an interest in monitoring the number of related casualties. But they don’t. Not at all. I have not heard a BBC report on deaths or hospitalisation or ICU in months.
And even then, this is not enough. We would expect infections to rise, and even deaths, if you increase social contact. It’s normal. It happens with colds and flu every year. We would want to know how this compares with normal. And you never, ever, hear that on the BBC.
It is just blatant propaganda. And so what is behind the propaganda? Do you imagine they have daily briefings where they discuss all the latest research and statistics, and decide to come up with these stories? Or are they just stupid? Tough question. It is increasingly like the old Communist Party of Great Britain, which waited to hear what the line was from Moscow before deciding what to think. Same type of people, same mentality.
It’s 100% mind control. I fear we’re being led into another lockdown. I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what the three stooges drop on us tomorrow.
I was surprised how blatant it was today on radio scotland, I cannot listen for long but was trapped into being in earshot today for a spell. It is a different reality they are peddling – every second is ‘on message’ to some degree or other.
Simon Dolan has put up an interesting interview on his Twitter feed. In it he happens to say that to anyone believing the narrative as regards the seriousness/danger posed by the pandemic, ask why the government are now talking about cases rather than deaths? If it were still serious, then they would have deaths to report.. As you say, it is propaganda and fear mongering
The interview is well worth a listen; he also hints there is something ‘interesting’ happening with regard to his court case..
The ‘pandemic’ has exposed many people and organisations for what they really are. They also show who the brave heroes are. People like Simon Dolan, Piers Corbyn, Peter Hitchens etc have stood up at the front line and taken the hits for many lockdown sceptics
Welcome to the casedemic!
Have you ever heard the Beeb report a stat that is trending favourably?
I’ve given up viewing or listening to any Beeb content.
Certainly on the news website, I’m convinced the actual BBC staffers have zero editorial control.
Seeing as deaths are running at around 15 a day (nearly all over age 70, nearly all with co-morbidities, nearly all with a different primary cause of death) they have to get creative with the propaganda.
If you compare that with BBC reporting from just a year or two back, the difference is stark.
The largely asymptomatic, false positive casedemic?
“Cases” is the only value that is rising and producing significant figures so it is the only thing left to scare the sheep with. Hospitalisations are small , Deaths are minimal.
And as they don’t explain what a case is, the public assume a case is someone who is ill with Covid and obviously 5000 cases sounds bad.
Obviously we know that a case “is a test that shows a positive”, some are false positives, some are asymptomatic, some have a mild illness.
But bless the BBC they don’t want to let the public know that , and neither do Wilson Keppel and Betty
“Deaths are minimal.”
Even that’s an understatement : current all-cause deaths are at the level of the lowest in a quarter of a century.
Excellent evening with the chaps talking about Orwell’s prophetic 1984 and how the books themes manifest on the lockdowns and stolen liberty we experience today.
Keep an eye out for the podcast!
James Patterson has a book called The Store. It’s a short sharp read but it’s an excellent theme given current events and the retreat into our homes. It’s no 1984 I probably don’t need to tell you though.
“e Store is history’s most powerful retailer. It can deliver anything to your door, using your data to anticipate needs and desires you didn’t even know you had.
Most people are fine with that. But for Jacob and Megan, writers whose livelihood is on the brink of extinction, The Store is the enemy – and it’s fighting dirty.”
On an errand this evening I noticed outside the convenience shop that conformity muzzling has become habitual. They just put put it on as they go in and take it off as they go out automatically without even twitching. I can see so many still doing it years later even though they’ve long forgotten why.
Of course, they all take the single-use nappy off carefully, touching only the ear pieces, and tenderly dispose if it in a bin, to replace it with a new one next shop, just like what their minders say they ought to do.
Like f..k.
I’ve seen muzzles in cars, just hung on mirrors or stuffed in cupholders…
If it is still mandatory years from now.
I went into 2 grocery stores, yesterday. Both times I didn’t even bother with the scarf. Just held it in my hand or draped it over my shoulder. Nobody said anything.
Months ago, if I had done that, someone would have stopped me at the door. Employees would have said “sir, Sir! Please pull up your mask.” Shoppers would have given me dirty looks.
I don’t think shops will want to keep this nonsense up any longer than they are mandated to do so. Yes, some shoppers may just keep it up as a habitual matter, but habits that easily adopted are just as quickly dropped. Starts with one person not wearing a mask; another person sees this and takes his off, and so on. Eventually, they just fade away.
I wished I shared your optimism on this. Here is breaking news from a nearby garden centre. https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/face-scanner-halts-mirfield-garden-19017205
Apparently this is what the customers want. Well, not this one. I shan’t be going again.
Maybe frequented by a lot of vulnerables who have ‘bought’ the lies being promoted by the MSM..?
Yes, that’s pretty much the demographic, in fairness.
Management at the garden centre, on Far Common Road, have reported “an almost 90% decline in customers refusing to wear face coverings” since implementing the new technology.
I notice it doesn’t state the decline in actual customer numbers. Won’t be seeing me for a while, that’s certain!
Masks for CV19 are condoms for HIV.
Upbeat video from Simon Dolan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2cQqaIEr38
Yes, although he does not seem too bothered by the idea of Sunak as PM…!
I’m intrigued as to what is going on behind the scenes with his case..
Yes. Whatever it was he doesn’t seem too downbeat about it.
I’d be worried about Sunak as PM!
Me too, as I have posted a fair few times this evening!
I may live to regret saying this but he’d be better than the current PM, if only because he could plausibly draw back from some of the more extreme nonsense, as he had generally not been spouting it directly, just funding it. Don’t get me wrong, he is almost as guilty as the PM, just has more room for manouevre in any climbdown.
Nice change actually.
I like charts but this was hope without charts!
Very upbeat. I wish I shared his optimism. I do fancy a Swedish holiday now – not sure I’d want to come back though!
From the Telegraph:
Sir Desmond Swayne, another former minister who has been a vocal critic of lockdown rules, said: “If the Government would let people make up their own minds about the risks they are taking, it would save the Prime Minister the trouble of having to remember all of these rules.
“I have never had so much correspondence as I have on this. I have had literally thousands of emails, and only three of them are from people who disagree with me.”
I was one of the thousands, and got a pleasant and speedy response back – unlike from other MP’s – I’m not a conservative by nature but i was very impressed with Sir Desmond. Hopefully other MP’s will see that the mood is slowly changing….
I sent one too this morning after being on here. I sent one to my local MP last night asking him why he is not questioning the government’s draconian policies…..I don’t think I’ll get a reply from him!
Me too – as per my earlier post – think it is helping everyone needs to keep the e-mail pressure up.
To be fair, he isn’t going to get many messages from zombies.I expect they are busy wishing him dead on Twitter, though, the foul buggers.
I’m pleased to have been one of the supporting thousands, though.
Annie, do you think I will be forgiven for wishing nasty endings for Boris and chums?. I have gone from a polite, peace loving middle aged woman to a cursing, aggressive and thoroughly horrible person. That’s how it seems to me anyway and think my hubby would say the same!.
I will need a lot of forgiving, too. But not as much as the sewer rats on Twitter who wish death on anything Nd anyone that’s in any way decent.
I have to say that this MP is unfailingly polite. I received a short (unexpected) reply to my email thanking him for his speech in the Commons.
I emailed him to thank him for his comments and got a speedy reply. the two emails I have sent to my own MP regarding tomorrow’s vote remain unanswered.
Same here.
Student hostage crisis
A group of Edinburgh University freshers have formed a campaign group called Pollock Prisoner to protest about what they say are unacceptable, prison-like conditions in the University’s main halls of residence due to the ongoing coronavirus pandemic.
They claim they are being offered inadequate mental health help, inedible or unsuitable food while in quarantine, and are being subjected what they describe as excessive policing at the site on Holyrood Park road – including harsh fines – despite paying up to £9000 for a year’s worth of catered accommodation.
Economics and Politics student Tess Bailie (18) is one of the co-founders of the Pollock Prisoner Twitter account, and told Edinburgh Live via Zoom call that they’re demanding better mental health support, decent food and access to fresh air and exercise as part of their manifesto calling on the University to improve conditions in the halls of residence.
The BBC reports that one block at Pollock Halls is currently in lockdown following a confirmed case of COVID-19.
She said: “Our first worry was when we realised the University hadn’t done enough to mitigate the risk of suicide. If nothing is done, suicide is going to kill more of us here than COVID.
“We got one email with some loose advice that seemed designed to cover a few legal bases, but it didn’t go far enough. We’re calling for active and genuine support. And not just mental health support, we need practical support as well – like edible food.
This is one of the “meals” a student was given today (the 29th of September) in isolation. As you can see – it’s out of date. 7 and a half grand for a mouldy plain bread roll. @EdinburghUni are feeding their isolating kids inedible food. Share and retweet! This cannot go on!
The other co-founder of Pollock Prisoner, social anthropology student Darcy Culverhouse, spoke about what she described as a heavy police presence at the halls of residence, claiming officers are regularly entering accommodation to ensure the rules are being followed and students are keeping to their rooms. She said:
“They’ve basically thrown a bunch of police officers at a bunch of scared 18 year olds, there’s a huge police presence.”
Edinburgh Live previously reported that police officers broke up a number of parties at Pollock Halls on Friday evening.
The crackdown saw officers break up “numerous” groups of students. The police activity came after Nicola Sturgeon told students in Scotland they were not allowed to go to parties, pubs or restaurants following a wave of virus outbreaks at universities across the country.
Police Scotland confirmed they had been alerted to the parties by “informants” who raised concerns that regulations were being breached.
Go to edinburgh live for the full article. The above are selected highlights. One student was given a croissant and a mars bar – the vegan option, sans vegan.
That is appalling. Can’t all the students get together an rebel at the same time? It’s worse than Oliver Twist. Gruel was more wholesome than the non-food these poor students are getting.
Surprised that in Scotland they have not been supplied with porridge oats!
It’s utterly insane to even be reading this. Who’d have thought it a year ago?
A croissant and a Mars bar? They need some fresh fruit and veg, and to get some exercise, if they are to fight off any infections!
Jeeeez.
Edinburgh university students occupied the Hume building last year for weeks I think. In solidarity with lecturers pay cuts etc.
These are first term freshers.
They’re able to vote, and drive on motorways. God helps those who helps themselves.
It’s a welcome development and a sign that the govt is starting to overreach the bounds of what people consider reasonable given the threat
The TUI cruise ship were 12 staff tested +, after testing everyone again, free of the virus.
All 12 first tests assumed to be FPs.
Should be headline news.
hahaha – won’t be! They could do the same with the Tennessee Titans, no? But they won’t.
I must have missed that one – same story I guess? I wonder what tests they’re using.
Somebody post that on Julia H-B’s Twitter please!!!
I don’t twitter – here’s a link though
https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2020/09/29/covid-greek-cruise/
Neither do I but i know a few people here do use it (I merely read Twitter)..
Maybe send the link to Toby?
The crew got routine tested on behalf of TUI by a lab on Crete. The ship is cruising the Med. They tested them 3 more times, all negative.
Very common to turn out negative after a 2nd test.
An Austrian Doctor yday in the excellent discussion transmitted by Bittel TV urged people who had a +PCR test to insist on a 2nd test to confirm the result, which most often turns out to be negative.
You know, maybe that’s the answer. To push for a mandatory 2nd test in case of a positive result. Surely no-one rational could argue that was not a sensible measure? Even if it meant you could perform less testing overall, it’s a negligible impact.
People should have a right to a second test, given the risk of losing work/income due to self-isolation..
But they won’t come out to you while you are in isolation.
Good point but we need to push for the scrapping of testing outside a hospital. It’s costing a fortune, is unnecessary and will ultimately facilitate social control.
I agree, but until then it is not ok to be forced into isolation on the basis of a test result which may more than likely be wrong..
It’s obvious there’s a wider agenda going on.
Governments are usually very quick to seize on opportunities to make themselves look good.
Take Scotland as an example. The death rate has been reduced to extremely low levels since April but rather than shouting it from the rooftops, we’re now in a situation where they’re giving case figures every day which make it look like they’ve no idea what they’re doing (they don’t of course.)
Any sane politician would be hailing themselves as a hero for saving the country, but instead we’re left with a daily random number generator with no context at all. Would you put up with a kid in your street just shouting numbers through your letterbox every day at the same time?
The members of the cabinet on both sides of the border are beyond belief and deserve to be put on trial.
They were shouting it from the rooftops. Until the weather started to get colder and they wanted a new fear agenda. You’re right about the trial.
Spot on. ICU patients 12 yesterday “two fewer” today at 10. Two less?
807 infections was headline news not the zero deaths.
Sturgeon has pulled many punches where she ought to have attacked the tories the PCR scam being one area. She does not because that would reveal her own stitch up of the matter.
Yes to trial.
26th of May I wrote on BBC HYS:
They can’t claim success because they realise they made a big mistake. But they will say the mistake was in letting the virus spread as if it was within their control rather than the mistake of how they chose to deal with it.
Sweden is said by the world to be a failure, yet despite some uptick in cases and hospitalisations recently they are nevertheless easing some restrictions from 1st, 8th and 15th October..
I was out earlier and read the transcript of today’s press conference on the bus home, and it is getting late now, so I will post more details tomorrow.
But in the meantime I can say that visits to care homes are to be allowed from 1st October, from 8th October more people are allowed in restaurants and they are also allowed to have performances in restaurants (singers and such).
From 15th the current limit on gatherings (50 people) is to be raised to 500, provided it is a seated event and that there is distancing between seats – though they mentioned that people could sit in pairs (presumably so couples do not have to sit a metre from each other!).
There are currently discussions re ‘family quarantine’ but no decisions as yet, as it would require governmental debate due to the financial implications – currently only an ill person (with symptoms) has to stay at home for 14 days, and receives full pay, but they are considering extending this to the whole household staying at home as well.
It’s obvious there’s a wider agenda going on.
I am so so so sick of this bloody conspiracy shit.
Yes, Boris and his cronies deserve to hang. For their incompetence and stupidity.
And all the other countries just went mad and fucked up by, err, coincidence ?
Is it so implausible to think that they copied eachother, copied China, copied Italy, went along with the WHO (who seem strongly influenced by China) and are all human beings and politicians subject to the same human weaknesses of cowardice, vanity and lust for power?
Quoted from above. Since you clearly haven’t read it or are working for the government to deliberately put rational people off coming here:
It is understandable that some people have weaved conspiracy theories to try to explain the current moment, insisting that dastardly figures like Bill Gates, Big Pharma and of course wicked governments are busily plotting the overthrow of human liberty on the back of a cooked-up virus crisis. After all, things are confusing. Extraordinary events have unfolded with very little clarity or explanation. In such circumstances people will create stories to try to make sense of the sudden diminution of their freedom and their lives. And yet, this conspiratorial bent among anti-lockdown protesters is a very serious problem. It ends up giving rise to a competition of narratives of powerlessness.
So on one side, we have officialdom’s lockdown myopia which disempowers communities by exaggerating the threat of COVID-19 and downplaying our capacity for dealing with risk and uncertainty. And on the other side we have a pushback against officialdom that says dark, evil forces beyond our control are puppeteering this crisis in order to achieve their malevolent ends. In both scenarios, the public is reduced to spectators. Spectators either to the fearful crisis-management of government officials and experts who insist we must follow the rules if we want to survive, or to an evil conspiracy of the usual suspects that we can hate and rage against but not really do much about. In both situations, the capacity of individuals and communities to understand this crisis and to start taking action to alleviate it, or live with it, are diminished. We need a better opposition.
Brendan O’Neill.
Do you seriously believe that the government is not conspiring against the British people now?
And also why if I think there is a conspiracy does that make me a helpless spectator.This coming from someone who has a pulpit and has been missing for 4 months.
I read it. It’s still bollocks.
You seem to be shit-stirring for no reason.
Only a week or so into mandatory mask wearing in Wales and I’ve already made the pleasant discovery that one of my regular local shops is what I call a ‘don’t give a fuck’ establishment. I drop in maskless and pay with cash, and they don’t give a fuck. Lovely!
There are a few dotted about.
Worthy of our support!
Are they independents or individual franchise/chain outlets out of interest?
Family run, but a franchise, if that makes sense. It has the feel of an independent. I don’t want to give too much away for obvious reasons.
About the Parliament vote – I think this sums up the situation neatly:
Sherelle Jacobs
@Sherelle_E_J
If rebels had the stomach they’d be willing to go nuclear & vote down the renewal of the entire Coronavirus Act, should the Speaker refuse to select Brady amendment. But they don’t have the stomach – which is exactly why the Speaker feels no compulsion to select Brady amendment!
Unfortunately I fear she’s right.
If they (the Tory rebels) did a “deal” they are cowards to a man / woman.
If the speaker does not select the amendment then he is just a stooge in the game, despite his bluster.
And what time tomorrow is (the alleged) Prime Minister, Whitless and Prof Vaccine going on TV to tell us that not only are we dead, but it’s time to throw our rotting corpse to the wolves – I plan to be out and give it a miss.
They already know the outcome of tomorrow otherwise they would not be so confident as to (again) go on TV AGAIN.
Likely just before the debate and vote..
I thought that.Our democracy is just a sham.It will take more than letters to MPs to change this
I don’t really understand the technicalities of the amendment, but tend to think that if you really want a say in the laws and you’re an MP, you must vote against renewal and force the govt to draft a new law that will pass. Anything else is just fiddling.
https://nypost.com/2020/09/29/elon-musk-says-he-wont-take-coronavirus-vaccine/
Elon Musk is my favourite billionaire.
He’s rich enough and an ‘elite’ – he is in no danger of being forced to take it – only plebs will have to..
He’s also American where good doctors that treat you on a personal health basis go to the higest bidder
rubbish
There’s a certain scheudenfreude to Bedwetters calling for tighter restrictions that only they will adhere to.
Brilliant observation.
Are you sure that the bedwetters even adhere to them? In my experience people are most keen on restrictions that apply to other people.
This is true but there is also another type. The “if you’re not doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about” brigade. These people don’t think the rules they want imposed will affect or be applied to them if they are broken for any reason.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/09/29/we-are-living-under-covid-sharia/
Wancock seems to think it’s all rather funny….
Prick.
He’s an idiot. Just been reading Mark Harper’s very enlightening thread about new rules that came in last night (by SI I presume) and their implications:
https://twitter.com/Mark_J_Harper/status/1310960720826241025
Quite shocking.
As he points out, amongst other things, there is no appeals system for if you are incorrectly (or vindictively) reported to Track and Trace..
It is all incredibly poorly drafted and ill (or not at all) thought through. Is Hancock drafting this stuff himself? If not, who is drafting it? We should have the right to know…
Great sarcasm from Politico
https://youtu.be/FWsEkWA54Zs
Brilliant
That was hilarious!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JAtAhHroFw&list=PLLqBo3UjMccAyAkJ9uiJkQpPjDYUoWlHp&index=1&ab_channel=Folkh%C3%A4lsomyndighetenSverige
“Random population based PCR testing in Sweden. Sample size ~2500/month. Percent positive, at end of each month: April 0.9% May 0.3% August 0.0% September 0.0%”
In this study it seems that the virus circulating is very low. But at the same time today in Stockholm, concern about increasing cases because of “unacceptable behaviour” that is young people, sports team partying. Sweden also have an increase in testing and in common with many other countries detecting more young people infected hence the rise in cases. So far not much impact on ICU or total hospitalisations but the authorities afraid that more cases will spill out into the older age groups. But this could be very localised small outbreaks in some cities as the study above is testing randomly over the whole Swedish territory. Some big geographical regions have very few cases. Sweden making the mistake as all others. Not stopping SD in June when the excess mortality disappeared and then had it run through the younger generation in the summer. Why did not we all, follow the flu pandemic guidelines from WHO Oct 2019 ?
“So far not much impact on ICU or total hospitalisations”
Why should there be, given the unreliability of PCR testing at this vanishingly small level of real infection.
Exactly, and if it was a worry, why would they have announced today the lifting of some restrictions?
At the Stockholm press conference today they urged people not to slack off (as regards social distancing, hand-washing etc) and came up with 5 recommendations, but made no completely new directives or rules..
The 5 recommendations to Stockholmers:
Work remotely if you can (ie from home)
Exercise outdoors or at times when not many others are exercising
Postpone parties
Spend time mainly with those who live in your household
Keep in touch with the elderly and risk groups by phone or digitally.
Which resrictions did they lift?
“Unacceptable behaviour” must be the latest lockstep mandate.
Neat little piece by Jeremy R Hammond factchecking a factchecker that had falsely claimed Bill Gates and Fauci had no connections with Moderna.
https://www.jeremyrhammond.com/2020/09/16/fauci-gates-moderna/
I believe there is more to it than that… I have read that Moderna was a rebranding of the company IG Farben (manufacturers of Zyklon B), that Soros bought it and that Epstein was a major shareholder..
Carrie. Indeed yes. Nothing would surprise me though I hadn’t been aware of the connections you mention. Merck are also partnering with Moderna ostensibly to develop mRNA cancer vaccines.
And we had the revelation that several of the Moderna top execs dumped a load of their shares recently. Which may cast light on how their trial is going..
Regards.
I’ve had a really bad time coping today, been feeling quite murderous at times. Thanks for the kind messages earlier.
You were not alone.
It was ” in the air”
Here’s something to hopefully make you laugh Liam:
https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/1311020889421615105
A preview of tomorrow’s press conference, courtesy of John Cleese
Hoping tomorrow is better for you. We definitely all have those days and you’re definitely not alone.
So Covid seems to have an unusual age profile – very much more likely to be serious in old people and harmless in younger people. The experts do seem to find it remarkable. The flu vaccine is given mainly to old people.
What are the chances the two things are related?
I see there’s a big push to get people to take the flu vaccine this year.
There has been some speculation/reporting that the flu vaccine was related to the deaths in Italy — apparently they got a very strong vaccine last year and had a worse outcome, as we know. There is evidence the flu vaccine increases susceptibility to other respiratory infections. Unfortunately, as we age our immune systems become less robust and, therefore, vaccines are less able to generate an immune response which is why seniors are being encouraged to get an extra strong flu vaccine this year or two injections. I think it’s another disaster waiting to happen, but that’s just my opinion. And if there is a Covid vaccine rolled out sometime soon I can guarantee there will have been no research on the effects of taking both the flu vaccine and the Covid vaccine, which is truly frightening.
Dolores Cahill explains the cytokine storm that can occur when a vaccine and virus are both present.
This has made me not want to get a flu shot. And of course obesity and smoking are factors.
This article looks at the possible link with flu vaccinations and Covid: https://homevaccineeducationnetwork.com/flu-vaccine-and-covid-19
The NHS COVID-19 app source code is available:
‘We have made the source code available on Github.
https://faq.covid19.nhs.uk/article/KA-01157/en-us‘
https://github.com/nhsx/covid19-app-system-public
https://github.com/nhsx/covid-19-app-ios-ag-public
https://github.com/nhsx/covid-19-app-android-public
Perhaps our resident Sue Denims would like to critique it.
Furious to see North Wales is now locked down and no one can visit. I was hoping for a day out there with friends next month. It seems they are intent on taking everything enjoyable from our lives. I detest them.
There should be ways to sneak in… I have to start plotting routes to ferry my step-daughter across the border so she can spend time with her boyfriend.
I’ll stick my neck out. They can shove their lockdown where the sun don’t shine. I’ll be ignoring it.
Yes, as I just saw on Twitter: ‘In the UK, ‘innocent until proven guilty’ has largely been done away with and now added is ‘infected until proven uninfected’.
I’ve a feeling this will be a long one. Winter long. And as cases continue to rise, the restrictions will get tighter. Masks outdoors? I’ve a feeling Melbourne is the template for the Anglophone world. Found out today Canada also has a Rule of 6.
It’s Rule of 10 in Ontario for indoors and 25 outdoors; can’t speak to other provinces. However, Montreal is under partial lockdown again as of Thursday (bars and restaurants closed but not sure what else). Canadians are, unfortunately, fully on board for the most part which makes me sad and angry.
There are people from the DDR who would be able to help you.
Ha!
How do I suggest a theme tune?
Alex Olivari Deutschland zeig Dein Gesicht Germany show your face
“Official” song of the sceptics in Germany.
email your suggestion to lockdownsceptics@gmail.com
Note todays date of 29th September:
Cancer referral decline during lockdown a ‘ticking time bomb’Cancer referrals for the first three full months of lockdown were almost a quarter lower than a year ago.
https://news.stv.tv/scotland/cancer-referral-decline-during-lockdown-a-ticking-time-bomb?top
On 7th May I wrote on BBC HYS:
Unfortunately I don’t have a link to where I got that information, 15% sounds and may be a bit low but nobody can say this wasn’t known months ago. I do believe Karol Sikora has been trying to get this message across for a while too.
Basics, if you are still awake, I have found the post you wanted by kevin2
Their timing is slightly out of schedule. The idea was to coincide food shortages, with vaccine availability, with immunity passports giving access to essential services (and rationing?)
Despite ‘their’ best efforts, they know that they cannot roll out the vaccine until maybe Feb at the earliest. Food shortages will commence mid-December, as the world and his wife finally realise that Kent changes from the Garden of England to being a lorry park on Jan 1st.
Two things inevitably lead to rioting that cannot be contained; no money, and / or no food. The money issue will be mediated by extending a half-hearted furlough, and by making self-isolation payments. That will keep the masses quiescent on that front. But having created the circumstance for guaranteed food shortages, they’ve got a problem. There will be two months with no food and no vaccine availability. (Vaccine nationalism will come into play. In the US they are already coming out and saying that AZD1222 is not looking safe..)
When I talk about ‘them’, I’m talking about everyone behind the politicians, the politicians being merely puppets, stupid or not. The Jeffrey Epstein playbook of control by compromise (or downright blackmail) is widely employed. I know (without knowing)) that one of the regulars in front of our screens is being blackmailed after prior entrapment. And probably two or three others. If you know individual’s proclivities, you know their vulnerability to being ‘compromised’.
If none of it makes sense to you, you should develop a supposition or a hypothesis that does make sense, and with each new development, amend your hypothesis, if things don’t fit.
I haven’t had to change my hypothesis at all since February!
(Above is opinion based on ever-developing confirmatory evidence)
For anyone new to all of this, I would suggest viewing the excellent four-parter on Bill Gates on Corbett Reports.
https://www.corbettreport.com/gates/
And then look at compromised funding received by each individual SAGE member.
Then you will be well on the way, and unlikely to remain a ‘conspiracy sceptic’ for very long!
Maybe start here:-
“A Message to New Conspiracy Theorists” by the excellent James Corbett.
https://www.corbettreport.com/episode-385-a-message-to-new-conspiracy-theorists/
With you on this
Personally I rely on facts, not supposition or hypothesising. Best of luck.
I done this one for free!
I just noticed the name of the file.
Sick of seeing that image every day.
Who are they?
One is Keir Starmer, leader of the opposition & Labour party. Not sure about the other one. Maybe his wife.
It’s Angela Rayner, Deputy Leader of the Labour Party. By all accounts she put him up to this stunt.
they clearly both identify as black footballers
Is this a wedding photo?
The country has been taken over by a madman who will kill each and every one of us given a chance
No one should trust their GP. PERIOD. FULL STOP. END OF.
One of the most eye-opening (and/or soul destroying) things you can do: request your medical records.
I had several surgeries in my 20’s. This was before mobile phones were common and I was on the ward recovering feeling quite bored so started reading my medical notes at the end of my bed.
The nurse saw and was angry, snatched them off me and said these are not for you to read, I tried to protest that they were my own medical notes but she was already busy searching for a hiding place. I can only assume the urgent need to keep them hidden was communicated between staff as for the rest of my stay other patients notes were at the end of their bed and mine were kept in their new hiding place.
Brendan O’Neill saying that “conspiracy theorists” aren’t taking any action because they feel powerless…. he hasn’t interacted or spoken to any “conspiracy theorists” at all then. We’ve been extremely active, vocal and obsessed with preparation. It’s actually one of the most insulting things I have heard, because there are people who have been “in the trenches” so-to-speak fighting this shit for years despite being treated like lunatics.
It never ceases to amaze me…. Bill Gates predicts everything, and people think he’s god by virtue of being a rich motherfucker. The “conspiracy theorists” say exactly how shit is going to go down (because it’s all out there in black and white if you can suffer reading this boring shit), and TIN FOIL HAT… YOU’RE CRAZY!
Go watch some old Corbet Report…. he’s just an English teacher living in Japan. He has no money, no power… he’s just a relentless and thorough researcher, telling you what’s happening months and years before it actually happens.
When you use the word “conspiracy theorists” you are trying to separate yourself from – what you view as – deplorables. It’s its own form of virtue signalling. All you’re really achieving is informing people like myself that you are too lazy to do the work OR so inexperienced in life that you haven’t met any psychopaths. I was raised by one, which is why I can smell their fetid stench and bullshit from a mile away. I have zero belief in god or any religion, but I have seen and experienced evil firsthand. Psychopaths exist, and they’re the people you’d least suspect. Transhumanists exist, too…. oh yes, and as fucked up as they sound, they are much, much worse (and dangerous) in person.
If even half of what the conspiracy theorists say is going to happening (and it already is) happens, you need to be paying attention, because this shit is serious. If even a fraction of it comes to pass…..
It’s dismissive to simply label someone a “conspiracy theorist” without, as you point out, doing your homework. As Maya Angelou said, “When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.” Bill Gates hasn’t hidden his agenda and when he smirks when stating that people will really pay attention when the NEXT pandemic comes, believe him. When he says his goal is to vaccinate the world, believe him. When he has captured world leaders and convinced them that we can’t go back to normal until everyone is vaccinated, believe him. Immunity passports? Believe him. The World Economic Forum has made no secret of their agenda either, whether it’s called The Great Reset, Fourth Industrial Revolution, Green Revolution, etc. It’s not a theory when it’s all laid out in black and white. And yes, it’s already happening.
I think the key point is whether you believe that the UK government is actively taking instructions from the groups and people you mention, or simply helping their cause largely unknowingly. The former, people would find generally harder to people, the latter seems much more plausible. But I think then any of this stuff is aired, people stop listening properly and assume you mean the former.
Taking instructions from the corrupt WHO and 95% of government “”””””advisors”””””” who owe some allegiance to BG?
UKIP members were considered “conspiracy theorists” when they began pointing out the intention to create a federal Europe. By June 2016 at least 17,410,742 British people were of similar mind.
I can smell their [psychopaths] fetid stench and bullshit from a mile away.
What do you make of Ferguson? To me there’s something very, very wrong about him, but I know nothing about psychiatry so I can’t say what.
When somebody accuses you of being a conspiracy theorist ask them to articulate precisely what the conspiracy is that they think you are concocting.
When they are forced to put into words, specifically what they mean they are typically either:
(a) building a straw man
(b) explaining something that isn’t a conspiracy theory at all but a valid explanation of how we have got here.
“Conspiracy theorist “…. is a term coined by Allen Dulles CIA the director in the 1960s to undermine those who questioned the findings of the Warren Commission
Bravo TyLean!
I couldn’t agree more if I tried!
The Corbett Report is highly recommended
Just seen this on my Twitter thread referring to this publication:
Preparedness for a High-Impact Respiratory Pathogen Pandemic
https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/publications/preparedness-for-a-high-impact-respiratory-pathogen-pandemic
https://twitter.com/NickHudsonCT/status/1311023474354393088
Nick Hudson
@NickHudsonCT
You’re making this up. Aren’t you? The WHI talking sense? Can’t be true. Can it?
UK spent £569m on 20,900 ventilators for Covid care but most remain unused
£569m of economic growth
It wasn’t spent. It was invested
Ah, I have such fond memories of the halcyon days of the ventilator hysteria
Ah yes. Hancock begging private companies to make them at any price. And I was concerned about the cost of that particular boo boo. Haha.
Don’t forget that there will be ongoing ‘growth’ what with the storage, maintenance, modernisation and ultimate recycling of these devices.
Hehe – excellent post!
About £220-240m in England was spent building emergency hospitals (not exactly sure as I don’t know how much was spent on running costs). They treated about 150 patients. So that’s about £1.47m per patient.
Meanwhile wards were closed up and down the country.
Don’t every let the Conservative Party argue that we have to vote for them because only they can be trusted to run the economy.
How many ‘eat up to bloat up’ meals could that have bought?
But, don’t you see, it’s because the government built these hospitals that they kept the number of deaths low!? Don’t you see, they had good intentions!? It would have been 2 000 000 dead if they didn’t build the emergency hospitals! Don’t you see, the nurses needed that empty space to make viral tick-tok videos to buoy our spirits during these dark times!?
Perhap sthey could use the ventilators to power all the new windmills?
Writing to an MP is as useful as writing to member of the Reichstag after Hitler came to power
If every voter in Britian wrote, saying the same thing, do you think they would all ignore it? I don’t.
If every Briton took the streets, maskless, they’d be unable to ignore it.
When this turns, as I’m sure it will, they will be like the majority of the French, who cheered the liberating troops in 1944 and insinuated that they had always supported the Resistance.
The problem is that we have large numbers in a position analogous to that of the Vichy senior bureaucracy, or even the milice. University vice-chancellors have just been enlisted as active collaborators (and look very scared). This will end, but badly for those who have been suckered in by our nudgy friends.
Yes of course they would ignore it, there are not going to be anymore elections
You might be right but I don’t do defeatism. It’s very unBritish.
Not yet but at the rate we are going it will be.
Still worth doing.
Wales Online
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/
has a questionnaire for rating the performance of Quackerduck’s government in tackling the Covid bollox. Same questions as for the England version, so some questions loaded, but there is a space for free comment. Mine almost melted my iPad.
I may be imagining it, but us there a shift in emphasis on this formerly 100% Corona-crawler site?
Toby must be having a lye in
Thanks Annie. I will respond to the questionnaire later when I’m fully awake.
Ridiculous situation in Wales now where we absolutely don’t have a national lockdown according to Mr Gethling the health minister, but the majority of the population are in local lockdown. Where someone from a locally locked down area in England can drive to Snowdon for a lovely weekend but someone living in Wrexham can’t.
I’m I’m one of the six counties not yet locked down but even if we do get locked down I will continue about my daily business as before. Stupid rules are made to be broken.
I’ve got an important meeting at a border town at 5.15pm on Thursday. We should be finished just after 6pm – when the ‘restrictions’ start. I shall be going home via my usual route, crossing the English border twice, breaking their law as soon as it is in force. I’m half expecting armed Stazi manning the borders, but in all probability there will be nothing. Business as usual. Smoke and mirrors.
Wait, I’ll get my helmet…
Wait, I’ll get my mask…
What’s the difference? Both improvised from ordinary household materials. Both designed to ward off invisible death particles. One regarded as the badge of a responsible member of society – or as the Guardian puts it “part of our shared reality”. The other is meant to represent a person with an irrational fear. They are obviously both the latter.
A tin foil hat also doesn’t compromise your health. Just might get a bit itchy.
Even if this has been posted before …
https://www.facebook.com/AmberValleySpotted/photos/a.230947574240707/582592995742828/
I am expecting an announcement soon about a two week lockdown over half term, (by which time we will all be able to see that this increase in “infections” has not resulted in increased hospitalisations or deaths.) Once the two weeks are over, Boris can announce that the second wave has been averted and we are all safe.
It would help divert attention away from the problems with testing that Handjob told us, a week or so ago, would need a few weeks to solve. Is there anything in the news about this or has the British public forgotten about it already?
Paul Daniels would have been proud of this government’s distraction methods!
They are making much of the 71 covid deaths announced yesterday. This is yet another example of an appaling misuse of figures as death data tends to come through in batches and you need to have a weeks figures to get any clear picture.
They know that people react with horror to the word ‘Death’ and so any announcement with death and a number creates hysteria, even though most people have no idea how any people die ordinarily. If you tell people that ordinarily around 10000 people a week die in the UK many are horrified.
The statistic for every other cause of death each day should be given to provide context. Covid would’ve been a mere 24th most common cause in August. I bet Sophie Raworth didn’t read that out on the 6pm news.
On the subject of Boris and his Rule of Six confusion, I think he’s at that place Diane Abbott found herself in: journalists at any time could now ask the PM questions about the arcane rules and catch him out. Even an intelligent, numerically-literate, hard working politician could be caught out, but Boris doesn’t have a clue. Only a gentleman’s agreement not to ask him this stuff can save him. OR – and this is a danger – the government simplifies the rules in favour of a draconian lockdown that even he can fully understand.
The only really important question at this point is why is this criminal still roaming free to destroy the nation and harm its people?
The rules could be easily simplified
1 You are allowed to do anything that raises taxes for the government
2 You are not allowed to have any fun
NEW PAGE IS NOW HERE . A LITTLE LATER THAN USUAL
https://dailysceptic.org/2020/09/30/latest-news-149/#comments
Lockdown theme tune : Behind the mask by Eric Clapton. I believe he is also a lockdown sceptic.