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Take Back Control

Brendan O’Neill has written a blistering piece for Spiked in which he urges the British people to take back control – not from Brussels, but from Boris and Dom!

We can’t go on like this. We cannot continue to allow the Government to control every aspect of our lives. We cannot idly accept that the state has the right to introduce rules and regulations that dictate everything from how long we can stay in the pub to who we can invite to our weddings. We cannot sit back and watch as government scientists use jumped-up, fact-lite graphs of fear to try to terrify and pacify the populace and prep us for yet another onslaught on our liberties. We cannot just watch and nod as officials shut down more areas of the economy, with a stroke of their pen, plunging Britain further into the worst recession on record. This is not sustainable. Something has to give, something has to break. The only important question right now is this: how can we make sure that happens?

I know exactly how he feels.

Worth reading in full.

A Reply to Tom Chivers

Tom Chivers and James Ferguson disagree about the significance of the false positive rate of the PCR test

Tom Chivers took a pop at Lockdown Sceptics in UnHerd yesterday, arguing that writers on this site were exaggerating the importance of the false positive rate of the PCR test and, contrary to our claims, there really is a second wave hurtling towards us. The subhead was: “Sceptics who talk up ‘false positives’ are engaging in wishful thinking.”

Tom’s piece is worth reading for anyone interested in this debate – he makes some good points, although not all of them land with the same force.

I asked James Ferguson, the financial analyst who wrote about the false positive problem for Lockdown Sceptics on September 12th, to reply to Tom’s piece.

Tom Chivers delivers what he believes to be a series of deathblows to the idea (of which I am an adherent) that most positives are false positives and therefore that the September surge in cases is not necessarily the start of a second wave but potentially a false alarm. It should be noted from the outset that part of the problem here is that the Government has an unfortunate tendency to call positive tests, ‘cases’, when they are not. The PCR machines that the tests are run on come with a big sticker on the side warning that they are not to be used for diagnostics, only for screening. The manufacturers specifically warn against confusing a positive PCR test result with a medical case, the latter requiring both symptoms and a doctor’s diagnosis. This is typical of the slapdash approach that the Office of National Statistics (ONS) and the Department of Health have taken to jeopardising our entire economy.

To return to Chivers’ case, he agrees that if the incidence of COVID-19 is 0.1%, then a false positive rate of 1% will mean that out of every 10,000 people tested, the test will correctly identify all 10 of those with COVID but will also wrongly positively identify 100 of those who don’t have it. In this instance, Chivers writes, it would mean that if you tested positive, you would only have “about a 9% chance of actually having the disease” (10/110). However, he argues, those that then insist that this means “there’s no real reason to believe that there is a second wave, because positive test results hugely overstate the real number of cases, (are) quite crucially wrong.”

Why? First, because the people being tested in Pillar 2 (community) tests are not selected randomly. He presumes that they have some reason to be tested, either symptoms (which they are supposed to have to apply) or at least exposure to another positive test. So, even if most people are breaking the rules and are having tests whilst asymptomatic, we can assume that 10% do have flu-like symptoms. This changes the maths quite a lot. For the 10,000 being tested, their likelihood of having the disease is higher than the 0.1% prevalence in the population as a whole. If the prevalence among test subjects is 1%, equal to the FPR, then the chances of being positive if you get a positive test result shoot up from 9% to 50%.

All well and good. However, Chivers has made his first error. It is true that the crucial relationship is between the incidence and the FPR. So, if Pillar 2 test subjects are not representative of the population, then the incidence within their subset rises and the proportion of false positives declines. At the same time, though, if Pillar 2 subjects have a higher incidence than the general population, they won’t be representative of the general population any longer and so any increase in positives is only relevant to that subset and not of the population as a whole. So, a surge in ‘cases’ would be of limited relevance to the country as a whole and, unless corroborated, certainly no reason to impose restrictions.

Chivers airily suggests that while the incidence in the general population is 0.1%, according to the ONS, “even if the true number (for those being tested) is only 1%, that makes a huge difference.” Maybe so, but this is sleight of hand. There were only 30-40 COVID-19 diagnoses a day throughout August in all of NHS England. Let’s say Brits are a very hypochondriacal bunch and only 1% of all those reporting COVID-type symptoms actually have the disease. That would make about 110,000 subjects (5%), out of the 2.25m tests carried out, symptomatic. This implies 95% of the test subjects had the same incidence as the population as a whole (0.1%) and just 5% were symptomatic with an incidence of 1%. That averages to a subset incidence of 0.145%, not “1%”, which would mean that 145 true positives out of 100,000 tests would combine with 1,000 false positives for a false positive rate, not of 50% as Chivers implies, but 87.3%. We shouldn’t be forgetting that the more hypochondriacal test subjects are, the less truly symptomatic and the more representative of the wider population, so even 87% is probably an overestimate.

Yet perhaps realising this flaw, Chivers goes on to assert that “it doesn’t really matter” because, as long as the testing hasn’t got any worse, any increase in the number of positives must logically reflect an increase in incidence. This is true enough. If the false positives stay roughly the same – for example, 1,000 out of every 100,000 – and the incidence rises from 100 (0.1%) to 1000 (1%) say, then the FPR drops to 50% and all the new positives might be assumed to be new cases. However, it is equally true that if the positives start to surge almost back to old highs, like they have in September, and yet the number of hospitalisations is no higher than the end of June, then some might think this is prima facie evidence that the tests might well have changed and that possibility should be investigated with as much vigour and speed as possible (think contaminated test kits).

Ah, I hear you say, but we don’t need to do that because the ONS tells us that the incidence is now 0.11% (as at 10th September) which is 3x higher than the 25th August trough. However, what the ONS doesn’t tell you is that they derive incidence in a very basic way from… you guessed it, positives per 10,000. So if there are 11/10,000 that means 73,700 in the whole country. But if instead we take hospitalisations (204 in England on 19th September, so assume about 225 for the UK), multiply by a factor of 10 for asymptomatics and multiply by 21 days for infectious period, we get a far more up-to-date estimate of 47k infectious cases, or an incidence of 0.07%, about 4x higher than the August lows admittedly but still down 93% from the peak rates of incidence we saw back in early April.

Patients can ask their doctors for a second opinion. I think it is only fair that lockdown Britain should be allowed the same courtesy.

James Ferguson’s Parliamentary Briefing

The top graph shows the number of cases rising, whereas the middle one shows hospitalisations and the bottom one deaths.

In addition to the above, James Ferguson has written another piece on the false positive rate, this time at the request of a Parliamentarian (whom he hasn’t named). So not an original piece for Lockdown Sceptics, but he has given us permission to publish it nonetheless.

Some of it will already be familiar to people who’ve been following the coverage of the false positives rate on this site, but some of it won’t. For instance, I wasn’t aware of this tidbit about Dr Susan Hopkins, one of Dido Harding’s scientific advisors.

PHE consultant Dr Susan Hopkins provided Baroness Dido Harding with a “rapid off my head [sic] response that could be used” clearly intended to dismiss the warnings about false positives out of hand, rather than invite further informative discussion. Hopkins confirmed a “population prevalence < 0.02%” whilst insisting that all serological tests (Pillars 1, 2 and 4) had FPRs that are “definitely less than 1 in 100 and… more likely 1 in 1000.” Yet she did not seem to understand the mathematical implications. With 0.02% incidence, a FPR of “1 in 1000” means 83% of positives are false, whilst “1 in 100” means 98% would be. Does H3 (Hancock, Harding and Hopkins) seriously not know this?

Worth reading in full.

Sir Graham Brady Tells Freddie Sayers Mood Among Tory MPs is Changing

Sir Graham Brady, the Conservative MP and Chairman of the 1922 Committee, has given an interview to Freddie Sayers for UnHerd in which he says he thinks the Government will not force a vote on his amendment – calling for a Parliamentary vote on all future coronavirus measures – but will concede the point. He also says backbench Conservative MPs are becoming increasingly sceptical.

I think like most people in the country my colleagues were pretty apprehensive then. We were facing a new virus, nobody knew how it would behave. There was plausible speculation that it could rapidly overwhelm intensive care capacity in the NHS, and of course the House of Commons was about to go off for an Easter recess. So it did seem reasonable at that point to grant emergency powers to ministers to be able to do what needed to be done if there were terrible pressures with which the NHS couldn’t cope.

We did that, perhaps some of us with a heavier heart than others, but were prepared to accept it as a set of temporary measures.

I think the mood has changed over time. Many of us have been making the case for sensible, cautious opening, since April. Certainly it was pretty obvious back then that you could allow open air markets to operate, and garden centres, all things that could have reduced the economic damage and also helped to give people who have been locked away in their houses for too long a little bit of interest and some fresh air. So all of that could have been done much more quickly than it was.

But increasingly, some sectors like aviation and the events sector have been completely put out of business by the restrictions. As that has become apparent, and sections of the economy have been shut down for a very long period of time, more and more of my colleagues are spending time in their constituencies talking to constituents who are losing their jobs, losing their livelihoods, people who have built up businesses over many years and are seeing them failing, and that is changing the mood. People are recognising that there is a balance to be struck here. We all want to encourage the safest approach in terms of hand hygiene and social distancing (most people have shown they’re quite willing to do their bit) but it’s got to be balanced with the recognition that there are other downsides if you overdo the restrictions.

Worth watching in full.

Ofcom Judicial Review Update

The Free Speech Union has just updated the GoFundMe it launched to cover its legal costs in the Judicial Review it is bringing against Ofcom with respect to the “coronavirus guidance” the regulator published on March 23rd, the same day the full lockdown was imposed. As I’ve written about before, this “guidance” has contributed to the suppression of dissenting views about Covid in the mainstream media, particularly the BBC.

When, on April 20th, Ofcom slapped down Eamonn Holmes, an ITV presenter, for arguing in favour of always maintaining an open mind with respect to different theories about the coronavirus crisis and the Government’s response to it, the FSU believed this was an action of considerable consequence for free speech in the media.

The FSU decided it ought to take action. If a small public interest group dedicated to free speech stood for anything, it should stand for upholding the rights of broadcasters and journalists to discuss matters of considerable public interest without fear of censure by a state regulator. Given that it is likely that Ofcom will become the regulator of the internet in due course, we considered it vitally important that Ofcom should pay proper attention to Article 10 of the Human Rights Act that states that we all have the right to free expression. Ofcom should encourage – rather than discourage – open-mindedness, open debate and tolerance for dissenting views. Ofcom was establishing a worryingly bad precedent.

We made a complaint to Ofcom in the hope that it would realise the error of its ways if we brought the conflict between what it had done and its duties under the Human Rights Act to its attention. However, when Ofcom refused to budge on the issue, the FSU decided to initiate litigation to make the case for open-mindedness and free inquiry.

A judge will shortly be deciding whether to allow us to proceed with a Judicial Review of Ofcom’s censorious behaviour. We think we have a strong case but litigation is never certain so we have asked the judge for a “Protective Costs Order” which would place a limit on the liability faced by the FSU should we lose the case. Given that Ofcom claim already to have spent over £16,000 just responding to our application for a court hearing, the amount at risk could be considerable. The bigger the size of this fund the more likely that the action will go ahead and we will have the opportunity to strike a major blow in favour of free speech and the right to challenge the Government’s narrative.

If things go our way and we defeat Ofcom in court, the money in this fund will be held over and used to support other litigation to protect free speech.

Thanks again for all your support, which has already helped us a great deal. If we can ask just one more thing, it’s that you share this GoFundMe on social media. The more the word gets out, the better our chances of being able to fight these and similar battles in future.

Please donate to the Free Speech Union’s “Fighting Fund” GoFundMe here so we can take Ofcom to the High Court and, if you can, share the link with others. This is a vitally important case.

Global Panic and Mass Hysteria

“Though this be madness, yet there is method in ’t.” – Hamlet

We’re publishing another original piece today, this one by Manfred Horst, a a senior consultant to pharma and biotech companies. It’s a rueful reflection on how the world responded with mass hysteria to what is, essentially, just another virus, no worse than a bad flu.

None of the governments which imposed societal lockdowns and deprived their populations of most of their fundamental liberties seems to have done so on the basis of any kind of benefit/risk analysis. They all followed the advice of some very peculiar “experts” – mostly virologists and epidemiological model builders. They all seem to fear that they could be held to account for an exponential number of deaths resulting from this “new” disease. They all seem to however completely disregard the enormous damage which their measures are inflicting on their citizens, their societies and the world at large. None of them listened to – let alone stimulated – contrarian opinions from other experts, who often had to accept an appearance in alternative media outlets in order to make their views known. Hopefully, the cautionary tale of the current hysteria will serve as a lesson for the future. Science is not monolithic dogma, but continuous hypothesis testing and falsification. Supposedly scientific models predicting the future can be as awfully wrong as any oracle or prophecy.

Worth reading in full.

A Solicitor Writes…

A solicitor who is very well-informed about the impact of the coronavirus guidance on businesses – particularly small businesses – heard something quite ominous in Boris’s 8pm statement last night that less eagle-eared viewers will have missed.

You have probably spotted the worrying sentence in the PM’s address today “in retail, leisure, tourism and other sectors, our Covid-secure guidelines will become legal obligations”. As ever, we await the actual law, but it sounds very much as if the Government is planning to give the guidance legal force. This will presumably take precedent over the Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations 1999 so that risk assessment for COVID-19 would become incidental. We have already seen steps towards that approach in 5G(b)(ii) of the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (No. 2) (England) Regulations 2020 but it sounds like the plan is now to force businesses to take measures to protect against transmission which would not be warranted by a risk assessment.

In other words, businesses will be forced to jump through even more hoops before staff can return to work, having to comply with volumes of pointless red tape instead of using their common sense. Is Jeff Bezos a donor to the Conservative Party?

Government “Pauses” Plans to Allow Fans Back in to Stadiums

For me, this was the worst piece of news yesterday: the Government has changed its mind about letting fans back into sports stadiums from October 1st. As a QPR season ticket holder, I miss going to see my team play more than anything else and was so confident that things would soon return to normal – after all, outdoor transmission of the virus is almost unheard of – that I renewed my season tickets for me and my son a few weeks ago. I didn’t factor in the idiocy of this Government.

Even the bedwetting Guardian thinks this measure is completely unnecessary.

The government has dealt a devastating blow to sport by pausing its plans for the partial return of fans to stadiums on 1 October because of the rapid spike in Covid-19 cases. It will add to growing fears that clubs could go out of business due to lack of gate receipts for potentially months more to come.

The decision, which was first reported by the Guardian on Monday, was confirmed by Michael Gove, who told BBC Breakfast: “We do want to, in due course, allow people to return to watch football and other sporting events but it is the case that we just need to be cautious at the moment and I think a mass reopening at this stage wouldn’t be appropriate,” the Cabinet Office minister said.

I’m sorry to report that Michael Gove is himself a Ranger.

Letter to an MP

A reader has sent us the letter she wrote yesterday to her MP, Stuart Anderson. This one’s a doozy.

Dear Stuart,

I’d appreciate your response to the questions below:

As the number of PCR tests being done has increased massively over the course of the summer, why are the case numbers consistently presented to the public without a clear framework of percentages of the tests done?

Why is a positive test now automatically called a ‘case’?

Why is the fatally flawed PCR test still being used to measure cases when the only statistics of any real importance are deaths and hospitalisations?

Does Matt Hancock understand that ‘less than 1%’ false positives when a virus is circulating at such low levels means that most positive cases are in fact false positives? Does he even care?

Why does he insist that the case numbers are doubling every seven days when they’re clearly not? Is he just really thick? Is he blatantly dishonest? Is he both?

If it’s down to dishonesty, why is he lying to the public?

Why was yesterday’s television briefing by Whitty and Vallance concentrating on a potential 49,000 ‘cases’? Is this because they really like big, scary numbers?

Why are they being encouraged to extrapolate the currently non-existent doubling as part of a worst case scenario?

Have they been told to do this by Hancock? By Johnson? Is this why they cover their backs with the repeated use of words such as ‘if’ and ‘could’?

Why is everyone so keen to use the word ‘exponential’ when any increase (I include France and Spain in this) has been nothing of the sort?

Why is everyone so keen to use France and Spain as examples, but not Germany, Sweden, etc.?

Why are scientific advisors being wheeled out to smooth the path for further restrictions with their doom-laden scaremongering?

If the ‘worst case scenario’ of 200 deaths a day from Covid by Hallowe’en is true, is that really enough reason to lock down the country again?

If 200 people died a day of flu, would it be front page news? Would it lead to a tv address by the PM outlining yet more restrictions on civil liberties?

If masks and social distancing work, then why no discernible impact on flu and pneumonia deaths?

As the pool of people vulnerable to becoming seriously ill from Covid is limited and shares many of the criteria of the pool of those vulnerable to serious illness from other respiratory ailments, what is the likelihood of them dying of both, twice?

Why did we not lock down the country in the winter of 1999-2000, when (off the top of my head) 50,000 died? See also (again off the top of my head) the bad flu seasons of 2014-2015/2017-2018?

Is the ongoing issue of casually assigning Covid deaths to those who died with, rather than of Covid being properly addressed?

Are you surprised to discover that keeping work colleagues, schoolchildren and families apart for months and then allowing them to meet again has resulted in an uptick in infections of all kinds?

If the government hadn’t locked the country down over the summer, do you think more people might have developed immunity to the virus by now?

Why does Patrick Vallance keep insisting that immunity in the population is at such low levels? Has he not heard of T cell immunity?

If the majority of new cases are in care homes, followed by workplaces and schools, how will closing pubs early or preventing people meeting socially in groups of seven have any effect on these?

Why do the latest restrictions treat outdoor spaces as though they were indoor spaces?

Why is the government paying any attention whatsoever to what Neil Ferguson has to say?

Why does the government think it’s in any way appropriate to rush through a vaccine, and then start by injecting the most vulnerable people in the population with it?

Seeing as bad flu seasons are often the result of ineffective vaccines, why would even a safe Covid vaccine be any more successful, particularly as there is no coronavirus vaccine in existence as yet?

If the NHS is in imminent danger of being overwhelmed, why have the Nightingale hospitals been mothballed?

If the NHS isn’t in imminent danger of being overwhelmed, why do we need another lockdown?

As the NHS wasn’t overwhelmed in the Spring, why does the government assume it will be now – or is that no longer the primary reason for imposing further restrictions on the public?

If ‘protecting the NHS’ is no longer the primary reason for imposing further restrictions on the public, then what is the reason?

And finally…

When is this Government going to take responsibility for its poor decisions and stop blaming, threatening, and punishing the British public for a catastrophe of its own making? And when are you going to stop defending its actions?

Postcard From Istanbul

We’ve received a “Postcard” from a reader who’s just back from Istanbul. Doesn’t sound too bad, once you realise the rules aren’t being enforced.

Unfortunately, the “city of mosques” has become “the city of maskes” as Istanbul pretends to play its part in managing the COVID-19 pandemic. But before fellow sceptics stop reading or cross Istanbul off their Covid bucket list, there is good news. Despite fairly rigid enforcement of “maske, maske!” in shops, public transport and museums, we walked the streets naked – except for our clothes – without challenge or even a second look from the Istanbulis. The face mask here is not considered a virtue signal, rather it is considered a talisman. It does not matter where it is worn, so long as it is worn. Under the nose, under the chin, on the elbow (yes!) and I even saw one person with a mask on the back of his neck. These all seemed acceptable and, in fact, there were plenty of people who, like us, had simply abandoned them. The police were not enforcing mask wearing and were among the worst offenders for not doing so. Our hotel was next to the Karakoy Police station where Istanbul’s finest sat sunning themselves daily, ready to fall asleep at a minute’s notice. They watched us walk past several times a day without comment.

Worth reading in full.

Round-Up

Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers

Four today: “What Have I Done To Deserve This?” by the Pet Shop Boys, “How Long” by Charlie Puth, “Closing Time” by Leonard Cohen and “Banned From the Pubs” by Peter and the Test Tube Babies.

Love in the Time of Covid

We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.

Woke Gobbledegook

We’ve decided to create a permanent slot here for woke gobbledegook.

Monday saw the publication of a report by the National Trust on the links between various National Trust properties and slavery and colonialism. This is from the introduction to the report:

The National Trust has made a commitment to research, interpret and share the histories of slavery and the legacies of colonialism at the places we care for. Those histories are deeply interwoven into the material fabric of the British Isles; a significant number of the collections, houses, gardens and parklands in our care were created or remodelled as expressions of the taste and wealth, as well as power and privilege, that derived from colonial connections and in some cases from the trade in enslaved people. We believe that only by honestly and openly acknowledging and sharing those stories can we do justice to the true complexity of past, present and future, and the sometimes-uncomfortable role that Britain, and Britons, have played in global history since the sixteenth century or even earlier.

Slavery is “deeply interwoven into the material fabric of the British Isles”?

Come off it.

The Telegraph has more.

“Mask Exempt” Lanyards

We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here (see above).

Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face nappies in shops here.

A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.

And here’s a round-up of the scientific evidence on the effectiveness of mask (threadbare at best).

Stop Press: A German children’s charity got laboratory tests done on one of the masks typically sold in shops after it had been worn by a child in school for eight hours. Eight hours! Result: 82 bacterial colonies and four mould (fungoid) colonies. More here.

The Care Home Scandal – A Call For Evidence

Lockdown Sceptics has asked an award-winning investigative journalist, David Rose, to investigate the high death toll in Britain’s care homes. Did 20,000+ elderly people really die of COVID-19 between March and July or were many of them just collateral lockdown damage? With lots of care homes short-staffed because employees were self-isolating at home, and with relatives and partners unable to visit to check up on their loved ones because of restrictions, how many elderly residents died of neglect, not Covid? How many succumbed to other conditions, untreated because they weren’t able to access hospitals or their local GP? After doctors were told by care home managers that the cause of death of a deceased resident was “novel coronavirus”, how many bothered to check before signing the death certificate? The risk of doctors misdiagnosing the cause of death is particularly high, given that various safeguards to minimise the risk of that happening were suspended in March.

David Rose would like Lockdown Sceptics readers to share any information they have that could help in this investigation. Here is his request:

We are receiving reports that some residents of care homes who died from causes other than Covid may have had their deaths ascribed to it – even though they never had the disease at all, and never tested positive. Readers will already be familiar with the pioneering work by Carl Heneghan and his colleagues at the Oxford Centre for Evidence Based Medicine, which forced the Government to change its death toll counting method. Previously, it will be recalled, people who died of, say, a road accident, were being counted as Covid deaths if they had tested positive at any time, perhaps months earlier. But here we are talking of something different – Covid “deaths” among people who never had the virus at all.

In one case, where a family is deciding whether to grant permission for Lockdown Sceptics to publicise it, an elderly lady in reasonable health was locked in her room for many hours each day in a care home on the south coast, refused all visitors, deprived of contact with other residents, and eventually went on hunger strike, refusing even to drink water. She died in the most wretched circumstances which were only indirectly a product of the virus – and yet, her death certificate reportedly claims she had Covid.

I’m looking for further examples of 1) elderly people who died as a result of the lockdown and associated measures, but whose deaths were wrongly attributed to “novel coronavirus”, and 2) those elderly people who clearly died from other causes but whose deaths were still formally ascribed to Covid because they once tested positive for it, even after the counting method change.

If you have relevant information, please email Lockdown Sceptics or David directly on [email protected].

Samaritans

If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email [email protected] or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.

Shameless Begging Bit

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And Finally…

In the latest episode of ⁦our London Calling podcast, James Delingpole⁩ and I commiserate with each other over our mutual heartbreak regarding the PM. Send in the army to make sure people drink up by 10pm?!? It’s as if he’s reading from a script written by his enemies. Has a Marxist terrorist cell kidnapped his baby? “Wreck the economy or the kid gets it.”

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Tee Ell
Tee Ell
6 years ago

This is rather sinister… perfectly valid studies that refute the efficacy of masks being removed from websites: https://off-guardian.org/2020/09/23/is-evidence-masks-dont-work-being-purged-from-the-internet/

Here’s a snapshot of the original report referenced https://web.archive.org/web/20200605090916/https://www.oralhealthgroup.com/features/face-masks-dont-work-revealing-review/

swedenborg
swedenborg
6 years ago

https://twitter.com/kylamb8/status/1308848011477475328
“Untamed…. CLI and positive PCR testing has been at baseline in NY for literally 100+ days..”“Metropolitan Opera says the still-untamed pandemic has forced it to cancel its entire 2020-21 season, keeping the nation’s largest performing arts organization dark until next September.”
Don’t think they never closed down for one and a half year during the Spanish flu 1918,Asiatic flu 1957 and Hon Kong flu 1968

crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
6 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

there was feature on PM R4 today

WhyNow
WhyNow
6 years ago

This lockdown is costing two national health services per year.

It is stark raving bonkers.

swedenborg
swedenborg
6 years ago

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa1411/5908705

Infants born to mothers testing positive or negative for SARS-CoV-2, SARS-CoV-2 status was not associated with birth weight, difficulty breathing, apnea or upper or lower respiratory infection through 8 weeks of age.
 Good news for babies born by mothers infected with C-19Flu is worse for pregnant women and more dangerous for babies

BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
6 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

You should produce a single document with your links. They are excellent

B Boru
B Boru
6 years ago

Opinion from Australia on what is going on there right now and soon to come everywhere else. Plus wider observations and musings.

Max Igan telling it like it is as always.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/3IF00PMgcKzr/

RickH
RickH
6 years ago

Following the revelation about Vallance’s shareholdings :

(a) Who else has tangible fingers in the pie?
(b) What about shares in providers of PCR testing equipment?

And (c) What, in any case, does the Vallance story tell us about the arrogant/stupid characters of those granted privilege to design societal restrictions. FFS – if you can’t hide your own venality more effectively – you ain’t very bright, are you?

JME
JME
6 years ago
Reply to  RickH

I’ve been wondering about Hancock- he’s been pushing remote GP consultations & now has his wish with massively increased use of video, text & email consultations. I’ve wondered if he’s got shares or some other financial interest in the companies providing these services.

Tee Ell
Tee Ell
6 years ago
Reply to  JME

Seems a number of top tories are in bed with Circle / Babylon / BMI health.

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago
Reply to  JME

Handcock has shares (or some kind of involvement) in one of those remote health diagnosis apps (one of those where you input your symptoms etc. on a calendar and your doctor can ‘monitor’ it…. and all your goddamn health data can be sold to the highest bidder. ….plus the NCS ‘has such a great record with digitisation , doesn’t it?). I’m pretty sure. This would be his main conflict of interest and would defo feed into the whole remote appointments bollocks, esp if he can get a gvt contract for the future out of it…..

BobT
BobT
6 years ago
Reply to  RickH

(a) Prime Minister Cummings seems to have an anecdotal connection to GSK.
(b) Whether peeps have shares does not matter. The PCR makers and the labs have a commercial interest in finding positive results which is why pillar2 tests have four times the positivity rate of pillar1.

Danny
Danny
6 years ago

Being a little facetious I know, but if Boris achieves his ridiculous target of 6 million tests per day by the spring, then in a country of 65 million people, pretty soon almost everyone will be tested.
Given that even a simple cold or residual trace of Covid like symptoms can make you positive, and given that anyone dying within a month of testing positive is recorded as a covid fatality, regardless of the bus that hit them, and regardless of the fact that around 1,500 people die daily in the UK anyway…. you can see where I’m going here, right?
Surely we will reach a stage whereby close to 1,500 “Covid” deaths are recorded, ad infinitum?

Farinances
Farinances
6 years ago
Reply to  Danny

They will test me over my dead body. I will leave the country before it happens.

Gillian
Gillian
6 years ago
Reply to  Farinances

Does anyone know the answer to this. If you are in hospital for something other than suspected Covid, do you need to consent to being tested for Covid? Can you specify on admission that you REFUSE any Covid testing?

crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
6 years ago
Reply to  Gillian

can’t answer that but a flatmate who works in a hospital mentioned to me that patients he’d seen who’d been tested for corona gave variable results – eg-p-n-p-n-n

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  Gillian

Not if my mum’s experience is anything to go by – they test everyone on admission.

Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
6 years ago

Does anyone know of a company that makes masks from beekeepers gauze?

Danny
Danny
6 years ago
Reply to  Nessimmersion

Try badminton nets!

Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
6 years ago
Reply to  Danny

😇😇😇😇
Actually a half serious point for those who have to comply to keep their job but want to take the piss.
Sometimes ridicule is the best course.

RyanM
RyanM
6 years ago
Reply to  Nessimmersion

What I’ve been doing is holding a bandanna in my hand as I walk into a store, pretending to put it on my face … then it goes around my neck and I shop as normal. Nobody has said a thing.

Then again, it appears that the UK and the US are still a bit different. In spite of our ridiculously high mask adoption, I think there are a lot of people who think it is nonsense, but are rule-followers and just don’t want to be the person who doesn’t wear one. I have no such problems.

Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
6 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

I would say most people in the UK are rule followers, not true believers. Their behaviour in settings where masks are not mandated demonstrates this, as does their moaning about every new ‘rule’, but the urge to conform and virtue signal is strong.

crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
6 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

in my case mask and peaked cap-also dark clothing

stevie119
stevie119
6 years ago
Reply to  Nessimmersion

I may construct one out of one of `er indoors sadly disused fishnet stockings.

Offlands
Offlands
6 years ago

How much compliance is out there? I reckon 80-90% for all measures i.e. masks, social distancing etc. How the fuck then are cases increasing so much? Are people going around coughing and spitting on others? Has hygiene gone out the window? Is it the young disregarding the rules? Or perhaps none of the measures will have any affect whatsoever in stopping the trajectory of a virus?

Of course it could be false positives and the increased testing too.

RyanM
RyanM
6 years ago
Reply to  Offlands

or maybe … maybe … maybe the virus doesn’t give two fucks about what you do.

Of course, they’ll just say that without these measures, it would be a thousand times worse. But the evidence doesn’t really point to this.

DRW
DRW
6 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

Or just blame people not following them. Blaming partying youngsters is a popular meme at the moment.

BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
6 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

They are hucksters. A scam artist sells you his 10 point plan to guarantee wealth and financial freedom. When you return a year later 20k down and no passive income or seaside villa, he says you just didn’t believe enough. Fortunately there is the platinum course that can get you turbo charged for success. Rinse and repeat. And I mean rinse.

Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
6 years ago
Reply to  Offlands

As Carl Heneghan has said, it is now endemic. It cannot be eradicated and therefore if you keep looking, you will keep finding, especially with a test that detects dead viral fragments as well as live virus.

theanalyst
theanalyst
6 years ago

Yeah – Carl is 100% right….hence why they are massively ramping up the testing in care homes and then blaming the innocent young for the uplift in cases. I say let them party. Care homes are the ‘Mother lode’ for thousands of positive Pillar 2 cases….and they know it. They caused the infections in care homes by shunting in infectious patients from hospitals and now use the dodgy Pillar 2 tests which are picking up the virus remnants to punish us, blame us, and lock us down..for their complete negligence!

Mike
Mike
6 years ago
Reply to  Offlands

I’ve tried pointing this out to colleagues…if these methods work so well then how come we appear to have an explosion of ‘cases’ now…
All I got was, well it obviously did make a difference the last time as we saw a drop in numbers…
Tried hammering home the point that we’ve switched from ‘deaths’ to ‘cases’ during the summer months when people don’t often get the flu…but it just fell on deaf ears.
We have been sold snake oil by some of the most inept salesmen you’ll ever meet; the British public have just been the unbelievably gullible and trusting (putting it nicely).

JHuntz
JHuntz
6 years ago
Reply to  Mike

unbelievably thick!

JulieR
JulieR
6 years ago
Reply to  Offlands

If we have no testing for the virus we will have just people having a cold like in the old days

PoshPanic
PoshPanic
6 years ago
Reply to  Offlands

What would happen, if you screened the entire population for say, diabetes? Maybe best not go there!

DRW
DRW
6 years ago
Reply to  Offlands

I also think there’s a TES lemming cycle behind this- more positive tests, more panic, more testing done, more positive tests and so on.

Tee Ell
Tee Ell
6 years ago
Reply to  Offlands

Turns out viruses are smaller than the holes in the mask. Who knew!?

BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
6 years ago
Reply to  Tee Ell

Visors though?

Lockdown_Lunacy
Lockdown_Lunacy
6 years ago
Reply to  Offlands

Yeah, the ‘measures’ are all obviously a load of nonsense, and nature will always take its course, but try telling that to a true believer.

They genuinely think that us evil ‘rule breakers’ are to blame!

zacaway
zacaway
6 years ago
Reply to  Offlands

False positives, true positives that are not actually infectious (dead virus fragments) plus the measures probably don’t actually work (see sidebar on Masks: How Effective Are They?).

theanalyst
theanalyst
6 years ago

Just for the record I instructed my staff that we work better a coherent team and will continue to work from the office. Said we will reconsider if they close schools again. Sod what Alexander Johnson says. They were well happy. Big Smiles.

Recent science and math graduates do benefit massively by social interaction at work and cannot maximize their potential by working in their bedrooms for days on end on using badly angled webcams. Tried it with team for two to three months and it totally failed. Creativity and innovation levels dropped by > 50%

Also, very happy to see that the car park at the offices today were at the same levels as yesterday (maybe 10% lower…but we will see).The car park serves employees of small to medium local businesses, about 50 of them, so it seems in my area that small businesses are not willing to sacrifice their livelihoods and that of their employees solely based on what the blond clown on the TV tells them they must do.

I even voted enthusiastically for Boris. Ouch.

DRW
DRW
6 years ago
Reply to  theanalyst

Good for you guys. I absolutely hated full time WFH at my job from March, an absolute paltry, miserable imitation of the rich experience I enjoyed before.

tonys
tonys
6 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Taken early retirement, I found it so dispiriting.

DRW
DRW
6 years ago
Reply to  tonys

I can completely understand that. Although it was the opposite for me, my first proper job!

crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
6 years ago
Reply to  DRW

love WFH -suits me fine-saves me money-however still a lockdown sceptic

Alan P
Alan P
6 years ago

It’s just occurred to me why has the whole world gone into meltdown over this virus, demanding lunatic measures to defeat this disease unprecedented in history; yet cancers, which cause far more death and destruction….we’ll have to live with and accept it.

Every time I have an argument about this Covid thing I get the “I know people who’ve died from this” response. I know of no one who’s died or even caught it. But I’ve a list as long as your arm of family and friends over the past 8 years died from a long list of cancers.

And I suspect if these people actually applied some thought to it they’d know more cancer victims than people dying from (with) this coronavirus, and they might start to question the narrative more closely.

Mark H
Mark H
6 years ago
Reply to  Alan P

“Wait, you know someone who died from this virus? When did they die? During lockdown? If so, doesn’t that prove that lockdowns don’t fucking work?”

MDH
MDH
6 years ago
Reply to  Alan P

We were out walking in Buckinghamshire a couple of weeks ago and there was a sponsored walk taking place in aid of a cancer hospice. I was really struck by how relaxed everyone was – no masks, no Covid shuffle when approached by strangers. I said to the other half that probably all those taking part had been in some way touched by deadly illness, and this had given them a better sense of perspective.

B Boru
B Boru
6 years ago

This explains a lot!!

The parable of the caged monkeys

Five monkeys awaken to find themselves inside of a large cage. A banana hangs from a string at the very top of the cage and there is a staircase in the middle of the cage that leads directly up to the banana.

One of the monkeys, before long, decides that he would like to have the banana so he goes to the stairs. As soon as the monkey touches the stairs, however, every monkey inside of the cage is sprayed with high pressure cold water from an external hose which knocks each monkey to the ground and makes for a miserable evening.

A few uneventful days pass before a second monkey decides that he would like to have the banana so he goes to the stairs. Once again, as soon as this monkey touches the stairs, every monkey inside of the cage is sprayed with high pressure cold water.

A few months go by and one of the original monkeys passes away and is replaced with a new monkey. The new monkey is amazed that the other monkeys have not gotten the banana and he immediately makes his way for… Read more »

Tee Ell
Tee Ell
6 years ago
Reply to  B Boru

Sounds like one of those “ripen at home” bananas.

Covid 1984 Information Centre
Covid 1984 Information Centre
6 years ago

FROM EDEN COUNCIL CUMBRIA

Ahead of the public launch of the national NHS Test & Trace app later this week, local businesses are being urged to make sure they are aware of the new legal requirements around collecting customer contact information and have downloaded NHS Track & Trace QR code posters for their premises.

Affected business that do not display posters could be subject to large fines.

The app is key part of the country’s fight against COVID-19 and will be available to the public across the UK to download from Thursday.

Businesses have a key role to play in the success of the app and venues such as pubs, restaurants, hair salons and cinemas are now required by law to record contact details of their customers, visitors and staff in the latest move to stop the spread of coronavirus. They must also prominently display an NHS Test and Trace QR code poster to allow people to ‘check in’ to the venue.

Businesses that do not display the poster can be fined £1,000, with fines increasing to £4,000 for repeated violations.

Businesses can download the QR codes via a website – https://www.gov.uk/create-coronavirus-qr-poster – to display as posters in premises.

More… Read more »

Basics
Basics
6 years ago

Good to see local news on here. Our councils are as complicit as government in changing out nation and implementing non risk assessed diktats. Democracy crumbling surveillance increasing.

Fined for not displayung a poster. Is anyone okay with that? Worth getting angry about.

Simon
Simon
6 years ago

Here’s an idea, head to your local council building, in work gear etc and remove the posters and signs. If anyone asks you’ve got the replacements to put up. They’d be so used to the constant changes I bet no one bats an eyelid.

Then return and photograph the building with no signs and call the police…

Use their own rules against them. Let’s see how long some of these things last.

Two-Six
Two-Six
6 years ago

Thats a whole load of places I won’t be going to then.

Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
6 years ago

Knives out for Patrick Vallance?:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/23/revealed-sir-patrick-vallance-has-600000-shareholding-firm-contracted/

He has already cashed in £5m of shares in GSK. Unnamed senior Tory MP saying it should have been disclosed.

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THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST
6 years ago

Excellent news! What a fecker!

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago

Oh, to have £5m of shares to cash in – how the other half live..!

Two-Six
Two-Six
6 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

Sell your soul to the devil and you will be rich beyond your wildest dreams!

Poppy
Poppy
6 years ago

It is incredible how scientists with such blatant conflicts of interest are allowed to advise the government. Solicitors and other similar professions are subject to strict rules and regulations about conflicts of interest, why on earth should government advisors be any different? In fact the rules should be even stricter for those whose decisions have an effect on literally every single person in the country!

Basics
Basics
6 years ago
Reply to  Poppy

In a real world boris would have ‘sacked’ vallance long ago to strengthen the government. Is it a lack of talent in depth preventing his sacking? Is he unreplaceable?

theanalyst
theanalyst
6 years ago

Even I might be tempted to wear a mask for that kind of money

RickH
RickH
6 years ago

Ooooo … I’m shocked! Never!

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago

Have you sent this to Toby?

RickH
RickH
6 years ago

If true – at least we know that he really has no credibility in utterances about issues that involve the use of vaccines. Like Covid.

Next?

RickH
RickH
6 years ago

Any bets on whether this will be on the BBC News?

Anybody who is still listening – let us know. It merits a headline, one would think

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  Tee Ell

Note they are not allowing comments!

Achilles
Achilles
6 years ago

So now we have the chief governmental advisor who broke lockdown, the main epidemiologist who broke lockdown, the Chief Medical Officer pushing for a vaccine who has shares in a pharmaceutical company, a minister of health who doesn’t know what a false positive is and a Prime Minister who probably took a secret trip to Italy. I mean how corrupt does this regime need to be before they lose credibility?

Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
6 years ago
Reply to  Achilles

There’s a ‘chumocracy’ – they’re all at it in one shape or form. As ever, it’s either follow the money, or cherchez la femme – or both!

Michael C
Michael C
6 years ago
Reply to  Achilles

I think it’s now broadly agreed that it was Tony Blair not Boris that the Italians spotted last week. Let’s keep our firepower trained on Boris’s real transgressions which are increasing by the day.

PoshPanic
PoshPanic
6 years ago

Here’s the workplace at GSK, for some perspective on scale

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DespairSquid
DespairSquid
6 years ago

With a hat tip to Dave Cullen’s Computing Forever (totally worth it by the way):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBcbNYIt6co

There’s been a study to find out which propaganda methods will be most effective to trick people into taking the vaccine:

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04460703

Choose from such delights as:

  • Control message
  • Baseline message
  • Personal freedom message
  • Economic freedom message
  • Self-interest message
  • Community interest message
  • Economic benefit message
  • Guilt message
  • Embarrassment message
  • Anger message
  • Trust in science message
  • Not bravery message

What a time to be alive! PS How long till November 5th?

Basics
Basics
6 years ago
Reply to  DespairSquid

Good to see Dave Cullen getting a mention. He has been particularly on point throughout.

DespairSquid
DespairSquid
6 years ago
Reply to  Basics

He’s been excellent. And was big enough to change his mind really early on too.

A certain buffoonish dictator could learn a lot from Dave.

DoubtingDave
DoubtingDave
6 years ago

Mrs Doubting has just been to Morrisons, all the nonsense of barriers, being told which till to use, door guard, one way system.

On top of that she said pasta, loo roll, soap etc have been hammered and the shelves are starting to look bare.

Have we not been here before.

Kath Andrews
Kath Andrews
6 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Went to Asda yesterday – the cctv screen recorded everyone coming in to the store, green squares around everyone’s face – very much reminded me of what I’ve seen when watching videos about the social credit system in some parts of China. Weird weird weird to see it in real life as it were.

Two-Six
Two-Six
6 years ago
Reply to  Kath Andrews

Wow no way? That’s very scary.
Where was the screen? Above the door so everybody could see it of where the security guys stands?

B Boru
B Boru
6 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Skynet has become self aware?

JohnB
JohnB
6 years ago
Reply to  B Boru

🙂

Kath Andrews
Kath Andrews
6 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

What makes it scarier – well, potentially, if true…a friend told me that this system has incorporated temperature checking! Not going to Asda again, although, this system will be implemented everywhere soon 🙁

Kath Andrews
Kath Andrews
6 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Sorry Two-Six, I didn’t answer your question, yes, the screen was hanging from the ceiling – internal entrance – everyone could see it.

Two-Six
Two-Six
6 years ago
Reply to  Kath Andrews

social shaming then and a big fear ramp up…very sinister indeed.

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  Kath Andrews

That IS China – what has the UK become? You have to ask why they need the green screen, which was never necessary before – ordinary CCTV was sufficient. Clearly the long-term plan is for facial recognition as a condition of entry..

Two-Six
Two-Six
6 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

Image processing to spot the nappy so the store can be informed of the intrusion of a non masker.

Kath Andrews
Kath Andrews
6 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

Most definitely, I do believe you’re right – what threw me was having watched so many videos on the social credit system over several months and then to see it here and now – freaky as hell!

Ovis
6 years ago
Reply to  DoubtingDave

Maybe I am a secret bedwetter, but I didn’t mind all of that. Saved the palaver of choosing a till. It’s the mandating of insanatory snot rags covering ones airways that I can’t stand, and cannot accept.

Alan P
Alan P
6 years ago

Telegraph and other MSM going schizophrenics over “cases” (or positive tests as they really should be termed) with 6,000+ reported today, adding to the media fear-porn. Then they’ll juxtapose an article which will be a sceptic position. No wonder the public don’t know who to believe. BTW if “cases” are increasing isn’t that proof that the mask charade is exactly that… a charade?

DRW
DRW
6 years ago

Anyone else really going to struggle with all this with the long nights coming soon?
(Sorry I keep doing these, I just like to know I’m not alone).

THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST
THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST
6 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Yeah man. We all will. Organising a 2/3nightly wine session with some mates. Already our pub has become a fortress of rules and regs. No enjoyment whatsoever.

xplod
xplod
6 years ago
Reply to  DRW

New smart tv, freesat, freeview, and as a diversion, a Nintendo switch, with some detective games…(well, I would, wouldn’t I?)

Ovis
6 years ago
Reply to  DRW

I keep suggesting that we could do some kind of zoom gatherings. Maybe talks followed by q and a and then a free chat. Organised loosely through LS, but the talks could be about any damn thing. Ideally something interesting.

It would be nice to ‘meet’ people on here, and it might help some of our number to feel a bit more connected.

Kath Andrews
Kath Andrews
6 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

That’s a really good idea 😊

DRW
DRW
6 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

Yes that would be good.

Ovis
6 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Hmm. How do we get it going?

Marina Peerman
Marina Peerman
6 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

Ironically, I often rant that, without zoom technology, we wouldn’t have been able to lockdown the world in the first place. But yeah, it would be good to do something. Maybe even get the seeds of a riot started?!

Two-Six
Two-Six
6 years ago
Reply to  Marina Peerman

I will not do zoom or any other real life socialising kind of app. It’s a messed-up enabler of the new normal.

Ovis
6 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

How about if you wore a mask?

Two-Six
Two-Six
6 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

NEVAAAAAA!

Marina Peerman
Marina Peerman
6 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Actually, properly agree with you. Digital technology has turned the world bonkers. But it was a nice idea about saying to each other.

Marina Peerman
Marina Peerman
6 years ago
Reply to  Marina Peerman

Sorry, read: “saying “hi” to each other”

Two-Six
Two-Six
6 years ago
Reply to  Marina Peerman

yes I know, but honestly doing a web-cam zoom call will feel like wearing a mask to me, just an enabler of the covid new normal. I guess I will just have to have no social life.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

No point in using pseudonyms on here if we then openly share our details for zoom calls!
There’s the problem.

Ovis
6 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Well, obviously, I wouldn’t be calling myself Ovis – unless I was wearing a full on sheep costume. But I am sure there are enough lurkers on here for us just to pretend to be lurkers on the board, and say asinine things on webcam, should we wish to maintain separate personae.

Marina Peerman
Marina Peerman
6 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

You’re right. And web cam zoom is no substitute for a social life. Whatever, strange times. Good to have this website though.

B Boru
B Boru
6 years ago
Reply to  Marina Peerman

Inciting violence is illegal and you will get a chap at the door!

Sue
Sue
6 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

good idea!

stevie119
stevie119
6 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

I would love to meet people on here!

stevie119
stevie119
6 years ago
Reply to  stevie119

How hard could it be to do a zoomy thing?

Lee23
Lee23
6 years ago
Reply to  DRW

You are not alone. And we will get through this.

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago
Reply to  DRW

It was the Equinox today.

Kath Andrews
Kath Andrews
6 years ago
Reply to  DRW

You’re not alone. Winter is going to be extremely difficult, but you are not alone.

THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST
THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST
6 years ago

Right guys. We’re off to bed (not all together!) so if you haven’t listened to the latest podcast about how bloomin’ mental this all is, find it below. Sorry for the spam!

https://therealnormalpodcast.buzzsprout.com/1268768/5550943-ep-08-reaction-whitty-vallance-and-project-fear?play=true

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Uncle Monty
Uncle Monty
6 years ago

I copied and sent the letter in Toby’s post above to Keir Starmer, it may be good for others to encourage some members of the opposition to scrutinise this madness.

Some good news from Belgium too:
https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/132528/belgium-relaxes-face-mask-rules-from-october/

Jay Berger
Jay Berger
6 years ago
Reply to  Uncle Monty

That’s merely a relaxation back to strict French standards.
I pass.

Two-Six
Two-Six
6 years ago

I think “The Flat Earth” thing was a first run of The Corona Project.

Both things seek to try to persuade as many people as possible to either believe or not believe in something PREPOSTEROUS: That the earth is flat/round or that “COVID” is…all the things it is built up to be or it isn’t….

The Flat Earth Project was as far as I can tell initiated by a law student or perhaps he was a practising lawyer, a young guy anyway, he just wanted to see if he could persuade people the the world was flat using arguments and persuasion, skills he was good at. Just for fun. That’s the story anyway, the Zuccerberg figure for the sheeple? It’s like, it was this guy who…not the NSA/DARPA/CIA/Alphabet/CA etc…Look over there….

I think the main objective was to firstly trial new AI analytics and trends analysis in social media to see who could be persuaded that the earth was flat or round and by what arguments.

They also wanted to see how counter arguments were being made, who was making them and what sort of things were being used to persuade people either way. All kinds of useful demographic data… Read more »

AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
6 years ago

This is VERY VERY VERY good.

Sweden : The Last Bastion Of Sanity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI6M4ExbOgY

Mayo
Mayo
6 years ago

Perhaps not the best timing …..

Will
Will
6 years ago
Reply to  Mayo

We will see. Maybe Tegnell is engaging in a bit of psychops to stop complacency. We will know next Thursday how serious the prospect of lockdowns are, in Sweden, when we see what happens with gathering limitations. I suspect it is a load of bollocks.

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  Will

Next hospital stats due on Friday so we will see then..

nowhereman
nowhereman
6 years ago
Reply to  Mayo

Hello Neil, back again? Your “predictions” have been completely ludicrous, and responsible for untold unnecessary suffering. Looking forward to your place in history?

Mayo
Mayo
6 years ago
Reply to  nowhereman

This is the March 16th paper by Imperial

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

Scroll down to Page 10. Then look at the green line in Fig(b). That’s the prediction for the UK strategy.

Not only does Ferguson get the timing of the first “wave” right, he’s spot on with the timing of the second “wave”. The magnitude won’t be right but he could argue that we are suppressing with the current intervention measures.

Pretty impressive.

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago

A comment from someone living here – yes, it is MILES better than what you (and my family) in the UK are going through, but it is still not totally ‘normal’ and if you are middle- aged or older and if you live alone it is quite challenging that friends don’t hug like before.. People do need that physical contact, like the guy in the video said..
Also because most social events, gyms and clubs where you might meet and engage in hobby activities have been shut, it is easy to feel quite alone. And of course the older you are, the more likely you are to not just take things at face value and maybe (like me) scare yourself by looking at the bigger picture and the ‘real’ agenda..

Young people are very laid back here (so mental health in those age groups has been far less affected) but older people (70+) who have been mostly staying at home have found it tough. The Swedish economy has been less affected than most, but nonetheless quite a lot of people have been laid off so it is not all roses. Thankfully the healthcare system has managed to keep functioning, albeit… Read more »

THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST
THE REAL NORMAL PODCAST
6 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

Excellent comment. Can we read this in our podcast?

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago

Yes, you may!

DRW
DRW
6 years ago
Reply to  Carrie

Are the universities out there operating with all the ludicrious “covid safety” theatre?

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  DRW

Not that I’m aware of… One thing to point out though, is that a fair proportion of students study in their home town or at their nearest town’s university, if they can get a place on the course there and if the course they want to do exists there. There are not any halls of residence as such (by which I mean with full catering and loads of staff), so no one to watch over/spy on the students.. Student accommodation exists but is not managed by the university.

This is the advice given to students where I live (just looked at the website – it’s all just common sense really):

ARE YOU INFECTED? To facilitate infection tracing and reduce the risk of infection spreading, you should primarily contact the course or program manager for your course / department.
Stay at home and follow current guidelines for Covid-19 and the Infection Control Unit’s instructions.

OUR JOINT RESPONSIBILITY
Stay home if you are sick, even if you are just a little sick
If you are ill – get tested, contact 1177. For people without a Swedish social security number: call 018-617 35 64 (Voicemail – state name and telephone number. You will… Read more »

RyanM
RyanM
6 years ago

Very interesting video. And even if it turns out that Sweden sees an uptick in cases (I’ve actually not read about that, anywhere, interestingly), it doesn’t really change the guy’s message, which is simply to highlight the massive tradeoffs with respect to a policy that essentially bans positive human contact.

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

Here’s a link regarding yesterday’s press conference here in Sweden: https://twitter.com/jhnhellstrom/status/1308473220408975360

Worth looking at the graphics (scroll across them) because they contain the Public Health authority’s modelling for Feb 2020-sept 2021 for Stockholm (done at the request of the Swedish government – apparently they have done a model for each region). They have done 3 different scenarios. The red line shows what has happened so far with the purple being the projection. Will be interesting to see what actually happens – which of their models is most accurate!

Note they are not using a Ferguson model!!!!

Paul
Paul
6 years ago

I had a takeaway delivered tonight by one of the usual delivery drivers,this time he was muzzled for the first time though.I told him he didn’t need to wear the bloody thing on my behalf but he said he was told he had to or get a £3000 fine !.I told him that was bollocks and he should do what he feels comfortable with.
He pulled the muzzle down a bit so he could talk to me properly,but then he suddenly said,’ah,fuck it !,fuck this bloody thing’,ripped it off,scrunched it up and slung it in his bag.

He also told me his wife works for a firm providing hospitality services for companies and has just been told that she and all of her colleagues are now redundant as there is no hope for their company.

Julian
Julian
6 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Most of the workmen we’ve had here at home have been unmuzzled – the self employed ones. Those that work for bigger companies come to the door muzzled and can’t wait to take them off when I say to them that they are free to keep them on or take them off as they wish

mhcp
mhcp
6 years ago
Reply to  Paul

I hope more people will catch on that anyone coming into your house with a mask is going to be spreading more germs than without. I’ve had workmen in the house wearing a mask and all I’ve thought is where has that been all day. I’ve told them they don’t need to wear it.

I think from now on you have to be more forceful.

6097 Smith W
6097 Smith W
6 years ago
Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
6 years ago

I would suggest, that on the basis of this new strategy for the vaccine trial, there is no such thing as ‘Long Covid’:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8764655/Britain-host-worlds-Covid-19-vaccine-challenge-trial-reports.html

Hopeful
Hopeful
6 years ago

My son went to one of his trade suppliers the other day. Immediately on entering he was told he needs to wear a mask. Said politely he’s exempt to which the assistant merely answered with an ok. As my son left the shop, however, he heard the manager in the background mutter what sounded like, “…humph, I suppose he’s exempt then.”

Yesterday my son needed to go back to the shop. We’re talking about a large kitchen supplier to the trade. This time he was met with and I paraphrase here, put a mask on mate else I’ll get it in the neck from my boss. Again being polite my son told him he’s exempt from the face nappy and your boss, your problem. Scroat behind the counter, behind the perspex, behind the nappy gets attitude, emboldened no doubt by all his ‘protection’.

I’ve been a good Mum and have passed on a great deal of what I’ve learned these past months. First time to be challenged about no mask was fine from a knowledge point of view my son said, but ffs some people are so thick it’s frightening.

He’s going back tomorrow with some legislation… Read more »

Paul
Paul
6 years ago
Reply to  Hopeful

Good for your son in standing up calmly for his rights and good for you for being an inspiration for him.

PastImperfect
PastImperfect
6 years ago
Reply to  Hopeful

I don’t know whether this has been posted here before …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_iQM5x9wF8

Basics
Basics
6 years ago

Sorry to darken the mood but.

Three twits surrounding devi.

Like a bat from the wicked witch of the East she has been sent out to decry herd immunity, tell all that covidzero is near as damn-it the ‘optimal’ option. Articles in the scotsman and the guardian saying as much. I haven’t checked to see if it was the same article in both publications.

She also twitted she had pancakes for dinner but I spare you a picture of that vomit.

Ske news twitter:
“Maximum suppression of this virus is the optimal strategy.”

Professor Devi Sridhar explains why she believes herd immunity is not an “appropriate way forward” in tackling #COVID19.

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1308477729440964610?s=20

Devi Sridhar
@devisridhar
·
9h
Far better for controlling the virus to shut indoor hospitality, but Scottish govt does not have power to provide economic package or borrowing power. Without this, condemning an entire sector to going out of business & unemployment. UK gov’t has to extend furlough/support.

https://twitter.com/devisridhar/status/1308707898453884929?s=20

Devi has also been busy retweeting in the subject of ReInfections – 11 cases so far says devi’s retweet.

Devi Sridhar Retweeted
Dr Zoë Hyde
@DrZoeHyde
·
7h
Another #SARSCoV2 reinfection case has been reported. At… Read more »

Julian
Julian
6 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Somebody else can pay for my crackpot scheme that is doomed to fail – such an endeavour has never succeeded in all of history

“Appropriate” – a highly scientific term = “I disapprove/it makes me look bad/doesn’t suit my agenda”

People looking for glory by oppressing and killing others

Basics
Basics
6 years ago
Reply to  Julian

You put it exactly right.

The correct response tge a person like devi is to not give attention. However she isn’t going away and has a horrific amount of say in the political planning realm for someone with her capabilities.

Putting her to use, it is simple to pick up the globalist/vaccine agenda trends through her public comment.

Any questions? Question time this week.

6097 Smith W
6097 Smith W
6 years ago
Reply to  Basics

but if you can be reinfected then the vaccine won’t work.
No ifs No buts
It Will Not Work
End Of
Which is why Coronavirus vaccines have always been thought impossible

guy153
guy153
6 years ago
Reply to  6097 Smith W

That’s not the reason they are impossible and anyway they aren’t.

Most of the problems with them historically have been disease enhancement and this is still a risk.

Some level of immunity to coronaviruses lasts probably a lifetime but you can get mildly reinfected every few years.

Nick Rose
Nick Rose
6 years ago
Reply to  guy153

Which is why colds are “mild”.

guy153
guy153
6 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

And common.

Carrie
Carrie
6 years ago
Reply to  guy153

Yep, there is a reason it is called the ‘common cold’!!!

Basics
Basics
6 years ago
Reply to  6097 Smith W

You will require repeated vaccines. Not me answering with that. That is why there is a desperation to make it clear reinfections are a thing.

AN other lockdown sceptic
AN other lockdown sceptic
6 years ago
Reply to  Basics

She is psychopathic

dpj
dpj
6 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Reading some of our leaders comments today she appears to be getting ready to blame Westminster for not giving her the financial support to close pubs and restaurants and therefore putting lots of her subjects lives at risk. One of the tweets you’ve shared above pretty much backs that up.

Yawnyaman
Yawnyaman
6 years ago
Reply to  dpj

Simply bizarre to think they owe her that money…

Basics
Basics
6 years ago
Reply to  dpj

Yes. A shit 36 year old american professor has directly waded into political matters. She is a gov ‘scientific’ ‘piblic health’ advisor. It is entirely inapropriate of her to have puked forth political comment.

Ovis
6 years ago
Reply to  Basics

If anyone on our side had said anything so stupid as that young children appeared not to be susceptible to Covid because of their shortness, that person would be rubbished for good. But as Devi is on the ‘correct’ side she can say anything as ludicrous as she likes and retain her credibility undimmed.

This is all about power; reason has no impact at all. I am sure there’s a name for a social and political system like that.

Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
6 years ago
Reply to  Ovis

Me and Mr TT watched the interview on Sky when she mentioned that ‘alternative fact’. She has quite a portfolio of such facts. We were in hysterics. Would love to see how she would get on in a Julia H-B or Andrew Neil interview.

Basics
Basics
6 years ago

On question time this week. The prog with bruce? As mc

Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
6 years ago
Reply to  Basics

I don’t think I could bear it, unless there is someone on like John Caudwell to offset her, and Bruce!

Nick Rose
Nick Rose
6 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Not convinced by “reinfection” either. For all we know, the first infection may have been a false positive test result.

DRW
DRW
6 years ago
Reply to  Nick Rose

Or a true positive the first time followed by a false one for another cold.

RyanM
RyanM
6 years ago
Reply to  Basics

So… even if all you do is a mathematical analysis, the possibility of 11 (out of millions) being reinfected still speaks in favor of herd immunity. If we start with X-number of susceptible people, and only X% of those are susceptible to reinfection, having more and more people be infected will still be the best way to protect the small number who might be reinfected. If 100% of people could be re-infected, then of course you’d have a problem, but that is simply not the case. So the small percentage who can be reinfected will be protected in the same manner as the people who don’t get it at all…

Why on earth does this not make sense to these people?

Two-Six
Two-Six
6 years ago
Reply to  Basics

Why is an AMERICAN wielding so much power and influence in Scotland?

Two-Six
Two-Six
6 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Yes sure but WHY is an American wielding so much power and influence in Scotland???

B Boru
B Boru
6 years ago
Reply to  Two-Six

Cos she works for The World Economic Forum perchance?

DavidC
DavidC
6 years ago
Reply to  Basics

She’s an idiot – the virus is ‘in the system’ as with a horde of other viruses., it will NEVER be zero. She’s not a microbiologist or virologist.

DavidC

Biggles
Biggles
6 years ago

I had an interesting chat with some friends a few weeks ago. We talked about what had happened so far but they were disappointingly acquiescent about the restrictions that the Government had imposed. I speculated as to what would happen next and mentioned curfew and martial law. They just laughed. I will be meeting them again soon and I really hope their opinions will have changed. If not, I’ll just have to try a bit harder.

BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
6 years ago

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rhockett/2020/03/24/how-to-keep-the-digital-dollar-democratic-a-treasury-dollar-bill–treasury-direct-plan/

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/loretta-mester-hints-fed-preparing-deposit-digital-dollars-directly-each-american

This is interesting. A sign of where we might go from an economic perspective. Essentially much of the recent history has seen bailouts to the financial and economic system require commercial banks to act as intermediaries through QE and ZIRP/NIRP. However, this has only stimulated ever larger assey bubbles and a greater concentration of wealth. Obviously the more socially minded leaders are inclined to be angry at this as wages have stagnated but the rich have got richer.

So this is a way to circumvent the stimulus pathway by using digital bonds, which each household is provided, linked to economic measurements, and which are activated given certain recession markers being met. Of course the pandemic being the mother of all crahses, its the perfect pretext.

Of course, this fundamentally upsets the current banking infrastructure but also is the first step to the end of cash and social credit as a level of control.

PoshPanic
PoshPanic
6 years ago

So what happens if everyone gets fucked off with the situation and decides to switch off their phones and deal in cash? I know it’s a bit extreme, but it is also another possibility.

JohnB
JohnB
6 years ago
Reply to  PoshPanic

One tries to use cash all the time. Doesn’t everyone ?

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago
Reply to  JohnB

Not if you don’t get paid in cash in the first place. Most people don’t.

OpenYourEyes
OpenYourEyes
6 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

Yes, many of the places which say contactless only are willing to take cash if you have the exact change. I don’t get paid in cash but am up to about 90% cash and cheque payments, from 20% in Feb.

PoshPanic
PoshPanic
6 years ago
Reply to  OpenYourEyes

Exactly, I rarely get paid in cash, but have noticed more businesses saying cash only, or at least accepted. Just an observation that runs counter to the push for cashless argument.

JohnB
JohnB
6 years ago
Reply to  Cheezilla

I don’t get paid in cash either – but I can operate a cashpoint.

Barney McGrew
Barney McGrew
6 years ago

A cheery thought. When and if Bozo resigns/has a breakdown/gets booted out, he will be shunned. The things people liked about him have been shown to be skin-deep affectations. He’s not funny – and if he tries to make jokes in future they’ll just be followed by embarrassed silence and tumbleweed. His prose about freedom and liberty has been shown to be just hot air and lies. His legendary intelligence nothing more than a smokescreen of classical references – he really is extraordinarily thick. Unlike many of his colleagues he has no aptitude for business and is unlikely to be given well-paid sinecures on company boards. He’s fat, sweaty, and gives off an air of chaos that is no longer endearing. He fluked his way to the pinnacle of politics and FAILED. He tried to emulate Churchill and instead did a poundshop version of Chamberlain. He will always know this; that he fluffed his big moment and ruined the country to cover his own personal failings. He will be remembered by history as a traitor.

Bumble
Bumble
6 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

Very good summary. I think he’s already had/having the breakdown though.

Tyneside Tigress
Tyneside Tigress
6 years ago
Reply to  Bumble

I’ll second that. Agree, great summary from Barney.

mhcp
mhcp
6 years ago
Reply to  Bumble

I think he is fully having a breakdown.

To paraphrase a Time Lord: Don’t you think he looks tired?

Cheezilla
Cheezilla
6 years ago
Reply to  mhcp

Tired and emotional?
Or perpetually hungover?

RyanM
RyanM
6 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

Well, he could just do the full 180 and he’ll fit right in on the left. Maybe he can become a public health official?

Nick Rose
Nick Rose
6 years ago
Reply to  RyanM

He’s only got about 25 or so of those degrees left to turn tbh.

6097 Smith W
6097 Smith W
6 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

I’m sort of hoping that he will suffer the fate Edward II actually didn’t

guy153
guy153
6 years ago
Reply to  Barney McGrew

Just shows what can happen from a poor career choice. Instead of being remembered as the worst British prime minister in history he could have easily been say the fifth best Top Gear presenter.

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