A leaked letter from Government lawyers reveals that “no final policy decision has yet been taken” on introducing vaccine passports in nightclubs and other “large venues”, sparking confusion among hospitality leaders. Hugh Osmond, the Founder of Punch Taverns, sums the mess up nicely: “As so often, rushed rhetoric without any thought to the implications, practicalities or ramifications.” The Sunday Telegraph has the story.
The Prime Minister had said that full vaccination will be a condition of entry for nightclubs and large venues by the end of September, in a move that sparked a backlash by hospitality industry leaders and divided opinion among ministers.
But in a letter written on behalf of Sajid Javid, the Health Secretary, last week, the Government Legal Department stated that “no final policy decision has yet been taken” in relation to the issue, adding that “any further announcements will be made in due course”.
The letter appears at odds with comments by Boris Johnson who has said those attending nightclubs and “other venues where large crowds gather” in England will need to be fully vaccinated from that date. …
On Friday afternoon, a Government spokesman simply said that “we reserve the right” to require the NHS Covid Pass “in certain settings”.But on Saturday night, Number 10 intervened to state explicitly that the Government was “planning to make full vaccination the condition of entry to nightclubs.” …
The ambiguity over the Government’s approach comes after it emerged last month that several ministers had expressed concerns about the plans, including due to the timing of Mr. Johnson’s announcement alongside the July 19th reopening, fears over a possible clash with equalities legislation, and the potential risk of legal action against venues. …Michael Kill, Chief Executive of the Night Time Industries Association, said: “It seems ludicrous that the Government is falling into a continual cycle of announcing new rules and policies around mitigations through ministers, when it is clear that decisions have not yet been made. All of this on top of the fact that businesses are suffering from further uncertainty, resulting in a drop in trading levels and workforce confidence.”
Worth reading in full.
Stop Press: Perhaps the ‘confusion’ is just another way of “coercing and abusing young people”, says Hugh.
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“Could Boris Bottle It on Vaccine Passports?” should read “Has Johnson seen sense and may drop ludicrous and unnecessary Vaccine Passports?”. There, fixed it for you…
“Ludicrous and unnecessary” has been his rallying cry for 18 months.
Everything that has happened has been leading to social credit score apps. He’s not going to kick against the pricks now, he’s just engaging in his usual spineless dissembling and mumbling about being a libertarian at heart, but…
” ‘Vaccine’ apartheid”.
Better.
Where does the civil service find the people that come up with these idiotic ideas and why does it allow these people to make any decisions? Anyone with an ounce of common sense realised that it was totally unworkable as soon as BJ uttered it
They’re in a bind.
We’re getting close to the point where vaccine passports will need to define ‘fully vaccinated’ as having had the third dose.
But there appears to be uncertainty in whether everyone will have a third dose (at the moment plans are only for the vulnerable to have jab #3).
They’d probably prefer to make the problem go away by not mentioning it too much.
But they still need to have the young single jabbed (to reduce the control-group), so they’re keeping the pressure on, but without the actual commitment to follow through with vaccine passports.
They don’t “need” to do that at all, since the vaccination passports have nothing to do with vaccination status.
No?
Oh, yes. You can self-certify as being exempt from needing to actually be vaccinated. Yes, really. See: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/nhs-covid-pass
It’s not about the Chinese Virus, it’s not about vaccination, and it never has been.
“But there appears to be uncertainty in whether everyone will have a third dose (at the moment plans are only for the vulnerable to have jab #3).”
Hmm, now where did I hear something similar before… Oh yes, when the sheeple were being primed to line up for their first two jabs, it was initially only going to be for ‘the vulnerable’! Déjà vu, history repeats itself….
… and don’t forget what happened to a noticeable slice of the vulnerable following the jab.
They’re in a bind because the vaccines don’t work as the fully vaccinated are getting infected and hospitalised. The passport system will be shown to be the white elephant that it is the moment a gathering of the fully compliant get infected and express serious symptoms. Of course the mantra will be that it would have been worse if they weren’t vaccinated. Despite all logic we will Build Back Better.
Another morning where I try to rise above the Covid madness. I’ll have another cup of coffee before rising to the bait.
Vivaldi Four Seasons brightened up my morning
No chance, this is just internal miscommunication or wishful thinking. The “vaccine passports” (social credit score apps) are the end game, because once they’re introduced, all opposition to the State ends.
It’s just an issue of timing, preparation, and roll out. Nightclubs were a poor choice for putting the tip in, as they’ve already burdened with checking ID of drunken, belligerent chavs and slags, and VaxPass doesn’t (yet) do that job for them. I suspect that restaurants might actually feel the first thrust.
The gig was up on that when it was revealed that the English social credit score app – which nobody was developing until it emerged fully formed – is compatible with the EU one – which nobody was developing until, etc. That’s one heck of a coincidence, n’est-ce pas?
Except several EU countries, Spain, Denmark, 2 name 2 have already outlawed the use of VPs
“Everything inside the state. nothing outside the state, nothing against the state”
Haven’t I heard that before?
Possibly:
(A) the vaccine pass threat was always just a nudge to get the young to take the shot, or
(B) this leak is PR to make it look like they’re genuinely making ‘tough but necessary’ decisions.
Or?
Whether the vaccine pass is merely a threat or an actual plan we need to assume the enemy has made an actual plan of it and not let our guard down, to paraphrase Churchill you can be prepared and ready for a fight at the first actively offensive enemy action, and maybe win, or you can wait, let the enemy advance and then fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.
Boris appears to have a touch of the Scott Morrisons – a condition in which the subject repeatedly makes statements which contradict or cloud earlier statements. Little or nothing they say can be relied upon.
It’s an extremely frustrating ailment for those around the subject. Loss of temper and powerful urges to smack the subject across the noggin are common reactions.
They lie and dissemble – it’s the only way this government knows.
Blair introduced ‘spin’, but this is a whole new level of dishonesty
“Blair introduced ‘spin’”
You must be joking. It’s as old as the hills – even if it became more sophisticated.
One of many reports in the States today of the fully vaccinated being infected and hospitalised.
Race baiter Jackson
Every Cloud has a silver lining.
WHAT IS THE POINT OF VACCINE PASSPORTS IF VACCINES DON’T STOP JABBED PEOPLE CATCHING AND SPREADING SARS-COV-2?
Jabbed people are no different from unjabbed – so why differentiate?
Ah, but they differentiate between the compliant and the non compliant.
As far as I am concerned if this is not being used as a way to start introduction of digital ID and is genuinely about health then there are 2 options:
1) Accept that covid is endemic and return to normal
2) Have everyone at large events have to show proof of recent negative test for forseeable future
I can’t see that there is any other option that makes sense based on current evidence about how ineffective ‘vaccines’ are in preventing infection and that vaccine status makes no difference to whether you can infect others or not.
I personally think we should be going with option 1 and my question would be for anyone supporting option 2 how low do hospitalisations and deaths have to get before you would consider moving to 1 considering zero covid is total fantasy.
Option 2 would be possible of the test were merely “Do you have a temperature?”.
They will be introduced.
Boris’ masters demand it from him.
Their sole immediate purpose is to coerce more young people into becoming gene therapy damaged addicts: they must reduce the control group to a statistically insignificant size of, say, 5%.
Thereafter, expand the vaxx passport needs as they/AI/social credit/boosters demand.
Excellent watch. Worth your time!
https://tinyurl.com/b2t33s9v
Thanks for the link…it was a very good watch, especially for those who don’t understand how the psy-ops has been done and the effect it continues to exert.
Was a bit perplexed reading this headline. Normally ‘bottle’ is as in ‘lost his bottle’, as in ‘hasn’t got the nerve’. I had to work out that it must mean ‘put the idea in a bottle’ (?), which is an expression I’m unfamiliar with after 63 years here. I can’t be the only one who was confused I think some could take this as ‘lost his bottle’, which is surely not what it is intended to convey?
@Deborah T “Will Boris bottle it” in this context means will he lose his nerve at the last minute and not do what he said he would. The expression turns the word bottle from a noun to a verb, so is just another way of expressing “lose his bottle”. Another way of expressing the same would be “chickening out.”
I’d rather he did that than “bottling” it in the context you suggest ie: storing it in a bottle and putting in a cork to preserve it for another day!
It’s possibly from rhyming slang: ‘bottle and glass- arse’
ie. he’s pooped his pants
Govt predicts future look for people after years of pointless muzzle use
The mere threat of vaccine passes has already damaged the vaccination campaign, why else is take-up among the young so steadfastly stuck at 70%? To even threaten such measures in the first place no only damages health but almost amounts to a war crime. If Boris doesn’t bottle it he should expect full scale rebellion, if he does bottle it he still needs to stand trial for his crimes, but maybe we could be slightly lenient on his sentencing.
The rise in cases mostly in those who have been double jabbed makes vaccine passports a complete nonstarter – right now the virus super-spreaders are actually the vaccinated who who have been misled to believe that they can’t get the virus now because they’ve been jabbed.
Bozo grabs every opportunity to bottle it
I never felt better about avoiding the gunk.
They will introduce it, and nightclubs are chosen on purpose to coerce the young in particular.
But regardless of the societal and discriminatory issues and the crumbling, if ever existing, medical one, they will fail, because of the continued need for boosters.
The French vaxx passport has room for 8! jabs.
But many will revolt at a third, even more at a 4th, even more 5th etc. already, as the negative reaction risk likely increases exponentially with them- and once you had one, you’ll want to pass, for good, if you still can.
At some point even the most obedient sheep realizes where this will lead to.
Unless they get the social credit thing implemented and off the ground first, before, say, the 4th shot requirement.
That is the real risk/agenda now.
Hugh is certainly right about the government abusing young people (plus ca change).
“Bottle it”? You mean come to his senses…
I suspect the psyops teams putrid fingers all over this, its been seen so many times, confusing mixed messages regarding passports before Johnson comes in being the hard man and forcing it to happen. As usual he is playing with people’s minds again, its his favourite thing, he would have done well as an advisor to Guantanamo
I’m thinking of applying for asylum in Denmark.
Johnson’s job is to serve the people. He is doing everything but!