Are vaccine passports dead? That may be premature, but they have certainly seemed on life-support this week, with even Gates-funded Telegraph Global Health correspondent Paul Nuki writing them off as useless in a recent piece.
Nuki quotes UCL’s Professor Francois Balloux, who argues the vaccines’ protection against transmission is so poor they can no longer be deemed to protect others: “It is not so much anymore a ‘duty to others’ to get vaccinated but a protection for oneself. There won’t be any ‘herd immunity wall’ to hide behind.”
Nuki suggests that mass testing will be used instead, noting that “already U.K. festivals and other mass events are switching their entry requirements to require a negative test of everyone – even where visitors have been double vaccinated”.
Professor Andrew Pollard, Director of the Oxford Vaccine Group and Chair of the JCVI, disagrees, arguing that with the Delta variant and the failure of vaccines to prevent transmission, mass testing now serves no useful purpose and testing should be returned to its clinical setting for diagnosing treatable disease.
We don’t have anything that will stop transmission, so I think we are in a situation where herd immunity is not a possibility and I suspect the virus will throw up a new variant that is even better at infecting vaccinated individuals. …
I think as we look at the adult population going forward, if we continue to chase community testing and are worried about those results, we’re going to end up in a situation where we’re constantly boosting to try and deal with something which is not manageable.
It needs to be moving to clinically driven testing in which people are willing to get tested and treated and managed, rather than lots of community testing. If someone is unwell they should be tested, but for their contacts, if they’re not unwell then it makes sense for them to be in school and being educated.
Other senior scientists have also spoken out, calling for the end of coronavirus screening and mass testing, but so far ministers have kept quiet, as have their senior advisers, the Chief Medical Officer Chris Whitty and Chief Scientific Adviser Patrick Vallance. Our leaders are, as usual, being slow to recognise the need to lift Covid measures, even as those around them urge them to accept the time has come.
Until we reach such a point, then, it is worth being aware of the fine print in the NHS Covid Pass a.k.a. vaccine passport. Besides logging one’s vaccination status, the system also accepts a positive PCR test as proof of natural immunity (shh, don’t tell them about false positives), including for international travel.
For domestic use a recent negative test, including an LFT, will do.
Crucially, there is also, as with face masks, a broad exemption clause which is self-declared and requires no formal authorisation. The Government guidance page simply states:
If you have a medical reason which means you cannot be vaccinated or tested, you may be asked to self-declare this medical exemption.
The NHS Covid Pass page elaborates further for service providers:
If your customer confirms that they have a self declared exemption, but is unable to show any evidence, you should allow them access to your venue or event. You must not ask for proof of their medical exemption and it is not essential they show any form of exemption card at any point.
This means that for those worried about the medical risks of vaccination or testing, domestic vaccine passports need be no barrier to participation. For travel purposes admittedly it’s not quite so simple, but a single positive PCR test will do you for six months (quite why natural immunity is presumed to fade after six months but vaccines are supposed to last longer is a mystery, but presumably it has something to do with ‘The Science’).
As of Monday, double-vaccinated and under-18 contacts of ‘cases’ will no longer be required to self-isolate, and the Government announcement states that medical exemptions will apply “to those who can evidence that they cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons”. This appears to be different to the self-declared exemption for the NHS Covid Pass, so we will have to see what the final version of the rules states when the page is updated.
These various exemptions might make the whole charade a little more manageable in the interim, but obviously the big hope is that sooner rather than later mass testing and vaccine passports will be binned. It’s good to hear some of the Government’s own scientists making the case for that this week.
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“Professor Andrew Pollard, Director of the Oxford Vaccine Group and Chair of the JCVI, disagrees, arguing that with the Delta variant and the failure of vaccines to prevent transmission, mass testing now serves no useful purpose and testing should be returned to its clinical setting for diagnosing treatable disease.”
Wow, treating people based on symptoms? This sounds dangerous to me. I have an asymptomatic broken arm which grants nme the best treatment the NHS can offer. If we go back to pre-New Normal, it will go untreated. Oh woe is me.
You also have gladular fever, asymptomatically, as do 90% of the adult population.
“the failure of vaccines to prevent transmission” maybe that’s because they were never designed to prevent transmission to begin with. This was stated by the pharmaceutical companies involved back when they were still in the development stage, they stated that the purpose of the vaccine was not prevent transmission or death but to simply reduce the severity of the symptoms should someone become infected.
…but a single positive PCR test will do you for six months (quite why natural immunity is presumed to fade after six months but vaccines are supposed to last longer is a mystery, but presumably it has something to do with ‘The Science’).
Natural immunity and vaccine immunity have limited time so that we need booster jabs and therefore make more money – don’t tell anyone though.
It was always likely that the original claims by vaccine providers would prove to be significantly over-stated. Herd immunity would be better established if people with low risk of serious symptoms are allowed to catch the disease and thus gain more robust antibodies and T Cell immunity. This is what normally happens to minimise the impact and effectively defeat new viruses when they have occurred in the past without lockdowns, which cause damage by reducing the speed of development of natural immunity. If we imposed the stupid mass testing regime we have for COVID-19 with previous SARS and serious flue viruses, we would have had similar waves and levels of detected infections with the same useless purpose apart from making billions for the drug companies. It seems obvious that there is serious corruption happening in hiding the cost of destruction of normal business effected by government restrictions, to offset it by the billions being made in the pharmaceutical industry financed by our taxes. The UK government is particularly stupid in this regard, as most of the taxes on big pharma profits go elsewhere and the UK taxpayer will suffer the effective loss and need to make up the shortfall, while… Read more »
I now know so many double jabbed people who are getting Covid. Looks like the experimental biologicals have been one big failure. Although in the USA Pfizer has approval to give a third dose. Guess they didn’t cause enough damage or deaths with the first two. Try try again😂😂
Perhaps they’d have more luck with the mix and match (or is that pick ‘n’ mix) approach that’s being pushed by some over here. What could possibly go wrong?!
It’s just not correct to say that herd immunity is not possible. Herd immunity is not a collective, but individual to each virus and variant, and needs to be re-acquired each time.
Moreover, and this is critical to our understanding and response, as long as the virus, e.g. SARS, has an animal reservoir, we will never eradicate it. We managed to eradicate smallpox precisely because it *didn’t* have an animal reservoir but could only exist in humans.
Boycott any supermarket that is using facial recognition at the tills.
A lot of words and hot air to simply state.
The Stabcines do not work.
“If you have a medical reason which means you cannot be vaccinated OR TESTED, you may be asked to self-declare this medical exemption.”
This is the first admission I’ve seen from the government that the testing process itself can be harmful for some individuals. How long have they known this, and what data do they have that they are not sharing with the plebs??
This article – and the video in it – are extremely distressing for anyone who has concerns about abuse of children. Ryanair are not alone. I find their reaction to the child’s predicament pathetic. It certainly comes nowhere near to being an apology or an acknowledgment that it was completely unacceptable, not just for this child but for all children.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9890185/Ryanair-apologises-petrified-autistic-boy-12-forced-Covid-test-airport.html
I don’t get the impression that Drs. Sunetra Gupta, Jay Bhattacharya and Kuldoff are vindictive people but who could not forgive them for turning round now and saying ‘we told you so’. If we’d followed focused protection and allowed everyone else to get the virus (along with allowing cheap and effective treatments) whilst the virus was in its original form, I doubt we’d be where we are today.
New Government PLEASE
The PM and her Husband Boris are finished.
Before I read the comments I will state:
I smell a rat.
Don’t fall for this one!
They want everyone to get the app, to get a digital ID. This is just an enticement.
Once you are signed up, they will have you by the short-and-curlies!
Of course Whitty and Valance have not said anything because A. They are suckling on the tit of the taxpayer so they really do not want the party to end. AND B They stand to make lots of money from the Pharma companies products they have shoved into everyone, incidentally for which no liability is applicable for any deaths or injuries to the Pharma companies, and for which the tax payer keeps them indeminified. But Phizer alone is forecasting another 33 billion in sales next year as a result of giving the drug to Children.
No aint no way Valance and Whitty giving up the prospect of a yatch and a private jet any time soon.
The D-Dimer test is picking up microscopic blood clots caused by the vaccine. These are not visible on scans. Dr Charles Hoffe (below) and Prof Sucharit Bhakdi have warned about this. Surely it is time to halt this roll-out of an experimental, no-liability profiteering vaccine and instead use early-use life-saving antivirals such as HCQ + Zinc.or Ivermectin or monoclonal antibodies?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&d=n&feature=youtu.be&v=5sIWb9GTbbE
Well past time!
The meme of Lucy from the Peanuts cartoon holding the football for Charlie Brown to kick and get fooled into the offer of fun, only to be inevitably and predictably taken away so that Lucy can revel in the pleasure of his pain and disappointment as well as the absolute joy from successfully fooling the ever hopeful Charlie Brown, is what springs to mind whenever someone suggests that the Cabal is EVER going to stop fu5king with us in achieving its goals of humiliating, demoralising and controlling the masses.
THIS WILL NOT END
For travel purposes admittedly it’s not quite so simple, but a single positive PCR test will do you for six months (quite why natural immunity is presumed to fade after six months but vaccines are supposed to last longer is a mystery, but presumably it has something to do with ‘The Science’
Ok, we’ve heard all about kids faking +ve LFTs in order to bunk off school. Do they know how to fake +ve PCR tests as well???
Well, according to John Magufuli, former president of Tanzania and sceptic and ‘promoter of covid misinformation’, before his very mysterious death, he was getting positive tests for papaya, goats, sheep and motor oil (from wiki).
My stepson is double vaxxed and travels abroad for work regularly. The amount of paperwork required to exit the U.K. and enter another country is insane. He’s off to France at the weekend and has to have a hard copy of his vaccone passport. I read it: it has all the obvious stuff you’d expect – name, vaccine (AstraZeneca), date and place of vaccination etc. However, the one thing I really didn’t expect to see is an expiry date – wait for it, wait for it – 10th September. That’s this year – not next year or 2023. Wtf!!! What happens then, I wonder? Will it automatically be renewed – or will he have to have a third ‘booster’ jab in order to keep it up to date?
That expiry relates to the 2D QR code. You can generate a new one every 30 days.
Doh, felled by my own ignorance once again! I thought it seemed odd to expire so quickly. Thanks for putting me straight, Ellis.
Easy mistake to make! We’re a family of five travelling to Spain soon. The paperwork and tests is unbelievable. I travel extensively too and have yet to have anyone check a single one of my test certificates! They do, however, check the ‘passes’.
I think that they are getting cold feet because of the admission that the ‘vaccines’ don’t stop either infections or transmissions. But I still think that this nefarious and mendacious government will try something in terms of a health and social credit app. Take for example the recent article, I think in the Daily Mail, about a ‘Health App’ that would reward you for healthy choices when shopping. It’s all too easy to turn this around to deduct social credit scores for ‘unhealthy’ shopping such as fatty foods, alcohol and tobacco. Thee is no doubt in my mind that something along these lines is coming down the road.
Another excellently researched article from Iain Davis in Off Guardian today.
https://off-guardian.org/2021/08/11/planned-euthanasia-does-not-constitute-healthcare-no-matter-how-hard-you-clap-for-it/
Blow by blow commentary how Government Ministers commited euthanasia whilst the populace banged pans.
Sobering reading, heads should and must roll!
Shocking. One of (at least) three acts I consider to be, not technically genocide but mass murder committed by governments; along with denial and suppression of treatments such as ivermectin and the campaign to indiscriminately jab everyone with an experimental treatment with unknown risks and no long term safety data. All criminal acts in my book.
Iain Davis calls it ‘democide’. I’d never heard the term before.
The Off-G article links to this definition
https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/DBG.CHAP2.HTM
So rather than bin the app they’ll allow the unter mensch to use it until it’s fine tuned and embedded into every aspect of every day life. Once that’s achieved they can pick winners to their hearts content and no one will be able to roll it back.
I have a medical reason not to be tested. Anyone sticking something down my throat is likely to wear my last meal..Does a bad gag reflex count.
Made this point before, will make the point again. The endpoint *is* herd immunity, when everyone has had the real thing (again, unless the vaccines screw the immune system).
Made this point before, will make the point again: it’s a coronavirus. Like the common cold. It changes its form more often than Eddie Izzard changes his/her/zer/zis pronouns.
We’ve never developed herd immunity to the common cold, and I can’t see why this variant of it will be any different.
“He quotes UCL’s Professor Francois Balloux, saying vaccination is no longer to protect others: “It is not so much anymore a ‘duty to others’ to get vaccinated but a protection for oneself. There won’t be any ‘herd immunity wall’ to hide behind.””
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/la-require-vaccination-indoor-spaces-including-restaurants-bars-gyms-stores
Tell that to US Dumbocrats, or to the EUrotrash in charge over there.
They are still peddling the very opposite and deliberately incite and divide the people thereby.
“Nuki suggests that mass testing will be used instead, noting that “already U.K. festivals and other mass events are switching their entry requirements to require a negative test of everyone – even where visitors have been double vaccinated”.Professor Andrew Pollard, Director of the Oxford Vaccine Group and Chair of the Government’s Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation, disagrees, arguing that with the Delta variant and the failure of vaccines to prevent transmission, mass testing now serves no useful purpose and testing should be returned to its clinical setting for diagnosing treatable disease.”
No question that we here all agree with Pollard.
But again, abroad, the very opposite happens and my hunch remains, that this is all a preparation for extending testing requirements to the vaxxed again too and soon.
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“And that dichotomy is making the conspiracy theorist in me very, very nervous.” I’ve never believed it was a pre-arranged conspiracy and still don’t, but I think the governments know exactly what they are doing, that it’s not to do with health, and that they are knowingly lying to us. I think it’s a case of “never let a good crisis go to waste” on steroids – a massive power grab.
Balloux ain’t trustworthy.
For the majority of the population were immune or gonna be fine if we get Covid.
Stop pretending to be reasonable Balloux, you went over, we all saw.
The thing is though if someone from the ‘other’ side then does a u-turn in the sceptics favour I don’t forget but I do forgive a little bit.
“Francois Balloux”
It there was ever a typo invite, this name is it.
Francois Ballox
Wwwaaaah. I might make it to the Horse of the Year show after all.
Strictly as a spectator, I may add. My jumping ceiling, with or without equine assistance, is about twelve inches.
reading the great further commnets, i also will never use any ‘app’not that even would knwo how i was thinking you could just say am exempt
reading further commnets i take that back . you a re all right is giving in to the system to say are exempt
thank you will for all you do[ and toby of course for starting l s just wish toby hadnt turned pro vaccine ![ for whatever reason maybe someday we hear why that he had to to keep this going ]
this is great news several of my friends have told me it will all go away but the 1984 vibe has been hanging a round for 18 months so was quite worried woudl just get worse and worse this is very good news here
thank you
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thanks for keeping us updated Will.
for my ‘progressive’ friends, my reasons for not getting vaccinated are because I want my unnecessary one to go abroad. For normal people it is because its a mild disease, poses little risk for me and why would I want to take a vaccine with only short term safety data?
The reality is that rushing out a vaccine with minimal testing and giving it to the whole world is inviting a catastrophe – even if that catastrophe doesn’t happen this time. It’s too stupid a course of action to contemplate.
When they first said they had a vaccine I was pleased for them – and the vulnerable who would benefit. When they started on vaccinating everyone in the world, regardless of benefits and including kids – I assumed they’d a) gone mad b) become consumed with hubris (same thing really).
We are learning about the vaccine every day. Its only been a few weeks since it has become apparent that it doesn’t stop you catching or transmitting it. This is not – by any measure – a vaccine we fully understand. It’s a work in progress. Maybe we will see ADE – maybe we… Read more »
Very much my position. The whole thing has had the whiff of an election campaign about it, not normal health advice etc. Re your last para, although it’s becoming apparent that it does not stop you catching or transmitting the bug, it’s also true that they never promised that it would. At least, the NHS paperwork I received did not (“We do not yet know whether it will stop you from catching and passing on the virus ” – leaflet issued to me in March 2021).
In a sane world, they could have used a different product name rather than ‘vaccine’ – e.g. protective drug, or whatever. There could be a risk that real vaccines could lose their reputation with the general public, after all.
Agree with you, just on a common sense level I find it hard to fathom how we have got to this stage. Sadly the first bit of the vaccine story has crumbled…re the catching and transmission…I think the second bit of bad news is coming, in that it doesn’t even help with severe disease and death, “An Israeli doctor has revealed a bombshell during a television interview. In the interview on August 5 with Israel’s Chanel 13, Dr Kobi Haviv, medical director of Herzog Hospital in Jerusalem, stated that the majority of coronavirus patients in an Israeli hospital are fully vaccinated, including those with severe disease.”
While it’s true that the manufacturers didn’t say that the vac stopped COVID from being transmitted, they didn’t try to stop the official line being reported daily which was that they did. We now have the same thing going on in relation to serious disease….all very sad and upsetting.
Covid Pass Exemption:
It is not mandatory for an individual to wear a visual cue to outline they are exempt.
You should not ask these individuals to demonstrate their COVID-19 status through the NHS App.
(Source: NHS Website)
https://www.nhsx.nhs.uk/covid-19-response/using-the-nhs-covid-pass/#exemptions
(The bold font emphasis is as seen on NHS site)
More info: https://www.LCAHub.org/
This is a good spot, for now, sadly it says they will soon introduce the official exemptions into the app so people can “prove” their submission to the party there.
Bingo. And it’ll be pitched as convenience. See, no need to keep arguing with people, just show your official Citizen Certificate / Freedom Pass (or whatever the final Newspeak will be), and there will be no problems for you.
Not at first.
On the one hand you are right.
On the other hand this could open up travel and ‘freedom’ whilst being abroad as well.
Easy to ignore. I #don’t have# a smart phone …
Nice – I’m so very tempted to jump off that cliff too….
I agree – however the wording, about being required to show medical info being discriminatory, may still help in the future, at least until the law is passed on a universal basis. No! Wait that! My mistake, that was a fleeting fantasy💭🛌 I’ve woken up and I find myself in the shower. I’m back to reality now. All cost no benefit. 😕
That only applies to “Event or venue organisers in England that choose to use the NHS COVID Pass as a condition of entry can decide whether to accept self-declared medical exemptions”.
Therefore organisers can choose not to accept self-declared medical exemptions at all.
Wrong. There is a passage in the instructions to organisers that warns them of needing to have a similar facility and option if they do their own stuff instead.
Same applied to muzzles, but it didn’t stop assorted jobsworth Covidian twats from demanding ‘proof’.