Is This a Dystopian Satire? No, it’s Daily Life Down Under

Steve Waterson, the Commercial Editor of the Australian, has kindly given the Daily Sceptic permission to reprint his latest column. It's another jeremiad against Australia's staggeringly incompetent ruling class.

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Steve Waterson, the Commercial Editor of the Australian, has kindly given us permission to reprint his latest column. It’s another jeremiad against Australia’s staggeringly incompetent ruling class, as they frantically try and spin their mismanagement of the coronavirus crisis as a mature, statesmanlike response. Meanwhile, the regulations that ordinary Australians have to cope with grow ever more ridiculous. Sit down to drink, but stand up near a park bench; exercise, but don’t rest; go shopping but don’t browse; under no circumstances talk to anyone you know, despite the masks that afford magic protection from nanometre Covid dust… “The list is a never-ending carousel of hilarity,” says Waterson.

Well, that was worth waiting for. Finally a tiny glimpse of the modelling that has underpinned government decision-making on our Covid response, and very convincing it is too. And unbelievably, literally unbelievably, precise.

Let’s not go through the various conditional predictions of the virus’s impact, especially the “worst-case” scenario, which happily generates a number far short of “everybody dies”, which I would regard as the worst case.

Instead here’s what the Doherty Institute says could happen if we suffered a six-month uncontrolled outbreak with only 60% of the population vaccinated: there would be 737,971 infections and 5,294 deaths. Note the super-scientific accuracy: not 737,970 or 737,972 infections; why, that would just be sloppy guesswork.

I’m teasing, of course (it’s one of the few pleasures not yet forbidden in these joyless times), and have no doubt the statisticians are doing their very best with the data; so let’s assume they’re correct that almost three-quarters of a million would be infected, of whom 5,000 would die.

Many of us in the anti-lockdown corner are asked how many lives we would sacrifice to see the country open up again, our accusers triumphantly certain there is no decent answer because, as the NSW Premier told us in May, “no death is acceptable”.

She and her interstate counterparts would rather smash our lives and livelihoods in pursuit of their ridiculous, hubristic ambition.

If a foreign power were causing damage on this scale we would regard it as an act of war, when deaths in defence of the country would become acceptable again.

Perhaps we should bite the bullet and say 5,000 predominantly old people taken prematurely is a sad but tolerable price to pay for the restoration of our freedoms and the repair of our society – as long as it’s not my precious grandparents. Oh wait, mine have already died of old age, like all my ancestors since humans first wandered out of the African Rift Valley. It happens a lot, I understand. And by the way, those 5,000 projected deaths assume we could find no other way of protecting the vulnerable, which is hard to believe.

The Prime Minister’s proud boast is that our closed borders and hyper vigilance have “saved 30,000 lives” since the start of the epidemic last year. More unverifiable modelling; but again, let’s assume he’s right. I wonder how many of the saved have succumbed to other ailments in that time; or will next week’s census reveal a Cocoon-like bubble of healthy nonagenarians, 30,000 strong, laughing at Covid and death in all its other guises?

At best, we’ve dragged their lives out for a few more lonely months sequestered from their families, just as we’ve kicked the whole pandemic a little way down the road, at an almost inconceivable cost. As our leaders and their worker bees finesse their incarceration strategy, in the background the cries of misery grow louder.

The politicians look on, stern-faced and witless, bleating their platitudes about feeling our pain, and urging us to get vaccinated as the only way to escape the shackles on our lives, as though they had nothing to do with the sinister emergency powers they have granted themselves and aimed against us. “A surge in cases has closed restaurants”; “the latest outbreak means tradesmen can’t go to work”; “thanks to some selfish cab driver we must stay at home for the next month”.

No, ladies and gentlemen, the virus hasn’t done this to us; you have, cosy in your luxurious offices with your index-linked financial cushions, surrounded by sycophants and shoving people around like demented puppetmasters.

It may come as a shock to those snorting and gobbling at the trough of public money, but not everyone makes their living by opening a spreadsheet on a laptop, reaching out to a stakeholder and unmuting themselves on a Zoom call.

There are people who pay taxes (rather than recycle them) by travelling every day to places where they make actual things with their hands, who build home offices rather than work from them.

Some then have the audacity to consider their manual or menial work essential, as though they are under some obligation to put food on the table for their families.

And these ungrateful wretches, instead of praising the wisdom of their superiors who imprison them in their unfashionable suburbs, have the nerve to march in the streets in complaint, thousands of people engaged in reckless superspreader events that have led to a massive zero new infections.

“How sharper than a serpent’s tooth it is to have a thankless child!” wails Shakespeare’s King Lear. Echoing him, our politicians and bureaucrats, parents to their infantilised population, are “disgusted” (NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian) with these “filthy” (NSW Deputy Police Commissioner Gary Worboys) “boofheads” (NSW Police Minister David Elliot), “wankers” (NT Chief Minister Michael Gunner) and “hooligans, dropkicks” (WA Premier Mark McGowan). Treasure the eloquent, statesmanlike rhetoric of these latter-day Ciceros; that’s the way to bring the people along with you in difficult times.

Instead they govern by regulations that grow daily more ridiculous. Sit down to drink, but stand up near a park bench; exercise, but don’t rest; go shopping but don’t browse, even though the sadists at Coles have moved everything you wanted into different aisles; under no circumstances talk to anyone you know, despite the masks that afford magic protection from nanometre Covid dust; the list is a never-ending carousel of hilarity.

The latest inanity from the future governor of Queensland (remember her, the one who did more than anyone else to dissuade people from receiving the AstraZeneca vaccine?) is to warn against online shopping.

“Do you need those people out in the community delivering packages and things?” she asks. No, your excellency, of course not, let them park their vans and bikes and get a well-paid, non-executive board position like your pals do.

What begins as absurdity soon turns dark. In NSW you must carry evidence of your address at all times when outside your home, and produce it to a police officer – “Papers please!” – on demand. You must carry a mask on your person, even to walk the dog around the block. Cold War Berlin-style police checkpoints have appeared on our streets to confirm cars are within 10km of their homes, and their occupants not intending to protest against their rulers. The army is on patrol in areas whose citizens are often refugees from regimes where camouflage battle-dress is rarely a welcome sight.

Do Western concepts of freedom no longer matter in Australia? Is it a trivial matter that we are commanded not to leave our homes? Does it seriously not bother anyone in office that we are being compared – accurately – to North Korea in our legislated refusal to allow our citizens to leave the country, or overseas Australians to return? This is very bad company we find ourselves in.

The politicians say they’re faced with tough decisions, but they’re not making decisions at all. They defend their abdication of responsibility by loftily declaring they are acting on the health advice they receive. They don’t evaluate that advice, mind, they simply follow it.

And it leads always to the same destination: lockdown. It’s “horrible”, Berejiklian said this week, “but we know we have no option”. In Victoria, Premier Daniel Andrews parrots her: “There are no alternatives to lockdown,” he said on Thursday. Unless of course you don’t order a lockdown, which I think does qualify as an option, and a much more appealing one.

Lockdowns certainly work in the crudest sense, in that by isolating people you limit viral transmission, but that’s not the point.

It’s the cost-benefit analysis that’s missing, absent from the moment our governments panicked and abandoned our sensible national pandemic plan to follow the brutes of Communist China into a policy of dystopian oppression, to “keep us safe”.

Let’s turn the acceptable casualty question around and direct it to our leaders: how many fruitful young lives are you happy to waste to keep those Covid numbers low?

How many small businesses are you ready to see disappear? How many suicides will you tolerate? How many bankruptcies? How many children should forgo their formative primary education and socialisation? How many deaths from other untreated illness are acceptable to you?

How much sorrow are you willing to impose on your subjects? How many grief-stricken families must bury parents and children without ceremony, like backyard pets? How many tears will soften your stony, self-righteous hearts?

Whether born of stupidity or callousness, the effect of our current aimless course is the same. State against state, city against country, suburb against suburb, office worker against tradesman, old against young, vaccinated against unvaccinated: it is a heartless, divisive and dehumanising policy. And worse, it doesn’t work.

The very people we elect to safeguard our freedoms are shredding them, causing fractures in society that may never be healed.

Surely there are politicians in every party who are silently appalled by this mounting despair and devastation. If their leaders cannot find a path out of this madness, perhaps those others should speak up and think about taking the reins, before the electorate’s frustration turns to fury.

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annepassman
annepassman
5 years ago

I believe that part of the Aussie national anthem goes “for we are young AND FREE”. Is it not time that the strong minded, independent bolshie Aussies rebelled against this removal of their freedoms by politicians who are totally divorced from reality. Oh, wait, that’s our situation too, and we didn’t rebel. What the hell is wrong with us?
It’s more than time for a mass march on Canberra, in spite of the martial law type conditions, barricade the Parliament until they grant release and then prosecute them for the hell they’ve put a proud and strong people through. And while they’re at it, they might give a lead to us, to drag our politicians and so called experts through the courts for similar violations of OUR rights and freedoms. Maybe a multi country revolt is needed.

Gtec
Gtec
5 years ago

“How many small businesses are you ready to see disappear? How many suicides will you tolerate? How many bankruptcies? How many children should forgo their formative primary education and socialisation? How many deaths from other untreated illness are acceptable to you?



How much sorrow are you willing to impose on your subjects? How many grief-stricken families must bury parents and children without ceremony, like backyard pets? How many tears will soften your stony, self-righteous hearts?”



These two paragraphs sum up why I have always been sceptical of what we have done here too; those responsible for this murderous state of affairs have committed what are, to my mind anyway, effectively war-crimes, and they should be on trial, not in office.



Just where the opposition is to come from to these petty – and petty-mined – tyrants God only knows, as the politicians here and in the southern hemisphere seemed to have all evolved into weak spineless creatures that hide at the slightest suggestion of responsibility.



And none of this is over yet, what with ‘passports’ to come here, and probably an autumn/winter ‘surge’ that will see us’ locked down’ yet again in some way.



At… Read more »

bowlsman
bowlsman
5 years ago

Stop arguing against it from your confinement and get out on the streets and do something about it. Of all countries I would have thought Aussies would be the ones who went all Crocodile Dundee and actually fought back.
The authorities would have to back down.

Gregoryno6
Gregoryno6
5 years ago
Reply to  bowlsman

That’s the next step. Giving the ‘leaders’ a piece of your mind on youtube is one thing, but we need to translate that into letters and emails to MPs and obviously marches.

tom171uk
tom171uk
5 years ago

“Do Western concepts of freedom no longer matter in Australia?”

It seems they no longer matter anywhere.

Zoomer@14
Zoomer@14
5 years ago

A military state…what can you expect?

Hugh
Hugh
5 years ago

“No death is acceptable”.
Hmm. There is a report on this website (30/07/2020 I think) that lockdowns are killing 2,700 people per week. But perhaps they managed to avoid all that in Oz…

Gregoryno6
Gregoryno6
5 years ago

Contrary to rumour and popular belief, we are not all buying into the covid crap here.

First of all, we have one of the lowest vaccination rates in the Western world. Lower than 20 percent. It’s rather higher in the UK and US, isn’t it? Now, tell me again who the sheep are.

We’re so keen to get the jab that earlier this year we let a few million doses die on the shelves.

The heavy hand of authority isn’t coming down because we’re compliant.

There are resistance elements. Check out AdvocateMe, Reignite Democracy Australia, Covid Medical Network. NSW MP Tanya Davies is presenting a private members bill against mandatory vaccines. She’s a member of the ruling Liberal party.

Senator Malcolm Roberts said recently that Australia’s justice system has a limit of about 100,000 people, Over that it will collapse. Three times that number signed a petition against mandatory vaccination. And the numbers are rising at every protest.

We’re not done. But thank you for your interest.

I think can say here, without trace of irony, that we ARE all in it together.

Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Gregoryno6

OK, fair points.

“First of all, we have one of the lowest vaccination rates in the Western world. Lower than 20 percent. It’s rather higher in the UK and US, isn’t it? Now, tell me again who the sheep are.
We’re so keen to get the jab that earlier this year we let a few million doses die on the shelves.”

Now that is interesting. I’d heard of the low vaccination rate in Australia – the media spin here was that your government hadn’t been very efficient in getting it out. But you seem to be suggesting high rates of vaccine resistance.

How does that mesh with the reported high rates of support for the “hide under the bed, and force anybody who doesn’t want to hide under the bed to join you there” covid policy? That high support, there as here, seems to be backed up by personal anecdotal evidence. I know a couple of Australians and they are full on panickers, and a couple of posters here on LS have said the same.

So what do the supporters of the panic policy think is going to be the end game, if it’s not the vaccines? Do they think… Read more »

Phil Shannon
Phil Shannon
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Seems that the endless loop of lockdowns that is Zero Covid Australia is starting to bear fruit at last!  Not in terms of taming an untameable virus, of course, but, rather, taming the ‘vaccine hesitant’. The Melbourne Institute: Vaccination Report says that “The New South Wales and Victoria outbreaks have significantly reduced the rate of vaccine hesitancy across Australia, from 32.9% at the end of May to 21.5% of the adult population as of 23rd July”. The vaccine ‘Undecideds’ are down from 15% to 10% and the vaccine-resistant are down from 18% to 12%.
 
It isn’t the Covid “outbreaks”, of course, that are driving the ‘vaccine’-sceptical to embrace the pharmaeutical hooch with fingers crossed but the daft, repeated, deep, on-going, economy-wrecking, serenity-destroying lockdowns that have weakened the resolve of the ‘vaccine’ opponents (‘the vaccine is the only way of lockdown’, we are constantly hectored). The lockdown loons and ‘vaccine’-pushers are winning, alas.
 
Oh, and the Australian Capital Territory (the home of the federal government – where I worked for three and a half decades [ah, you get less for murder!]) has just announced they are going into a snap lockdown (on the basis of – wait for it – one (one!!)… Read more »

Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Phil Shannon

Yes, the policy of punishing the people with lockdowns, and blaming them n the unvaccinated, until they bow down and take the “vaccination” makes sense form the elite pov. Though such pressure personally makes me dig my heels in harder, but each to his own.

But I’m only more confused now about the situation wrt vaccine resistance in Australia.

You state “The vaccine ‘Undecideds’ are down from 15% to 10% and the vaccine-resistant are down from 18% to 12%“, whereas Gregoryno6 quotes “one of the lowest vaccination rates in the Western world. Lower than 20 percent” and implies that’s due to vaccine resistance rather than unavailability.

Phil Shannon
Phil Shannon
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Mark,
It’s a supply/demand distinction. Australia has had a very slow vaccine rollout (19.4% fully-‘vaccinated’) stemming from the failure of Australia’s in-house manufacturing project (which fell over because the Aussie Covid vaccine kept giving false positives for AIDS), import problems, supply bottlenecks and distribution chokepoints, relative to comparable countries which are engaged in a veritable Manhattan Project for vaccine rollout. This has made us a cellar-dweller in the international rankings – we are 35th out of the 38 OECD countries in terms of the double-jabbed. But the demand is noisy.

The final 22% ‘hesitant’/resistant may be the floor, however, that no threats can shift lower. The government’s target is 80% jabbed, so they may be prepared o live with that.

Phil

Gregoryno6
Gregoryno6
5 years ago
Reply to  Phil Shannon

As Phil says, it may come down to just about 20 percent who say No and stick to that. I think it will be more. But I doubt the exact number will be known; Scomo has an election coming next year and he needs every bit of good news he can get.

I’ve no doubt that the numbers will be fudged to his advantage. Whether it wins him another term – well, I wouldn’t be putting money on it.

Gregoryno6
Gregoryno6
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Okay, it’s just the New Zealanders.

End game? I don’t think they’ve got one. Just go around and around until either the wheels fall off their tank or we all surrender.

Support for the lockdowns? Well, have a look at the comments on any covid-related item on Sky News Australia. ‘Support’ is hard to find there.

Likewise on the pages of 7 News and 10. A lot of anger and hostility. As for Nine, they’ve disabled their comments altogether.

tom171uk
tom171uk
5 years ago
Reply to  Gregoryno6

Glad to hear it. Good luck to you all.

Gregoryno6
Gregoryno6
5 years ago
Reply to  tom171uk

Thanks!

Al T
Al T
5 years ago

It’s been my privilege to travel extensively in Australia and I confess I cannot believe what I’m seeing. I simply don’t understand how anybody thinks this is right and how apathetic people seem to be. Both there and in the rest of the *supposedly* free world.

I believe it was Solzhenitsyn who said; ‘You’ll know it’s true when it happens to you’.

AndyO
AndyO
5 years ago

Powerful stuff. Glad I never emigrated. Hard to believe a liberal democracy has succumbed to such self imposed tyranny.

iane
iane
5 years ago
Reply to  AndyO

Well, yes – but it would have been frying pan into the fire, with us being slowly pan-fried.

loopDloop
loopDloop
5 years ago

I’ve spoken to two Australians living in Australia in the last two weeks. I remarked that from the perspective of outside OZ, it looks like the country has lost it’s freaking mind. Both of them replied: but the measures are working.

My point was therefore confirmed. Sure, a straw poll of two won’t carry statistical weight, but I think it now safe to say that, yes, Australia has lost its freaking mind.

Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  loopDloop

Brainwashing works.

Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  loopDloop

Both of them replied: but the measures are working.

That’s probably what this guy said to his parents when they got home: “but it’s working ma, I got me some of those spiders”.

Man using blowtorch to kill spiders starts house fire

186NO
186NO
5 years ago
Reply to  loopDloop

Ask them “How” and sit back for the bullshit wave?

mmacg
mmacg
5 years ago

Political, media and public health leaders in virtually all Western countries have failed the most fundamental and important duty of leadership:

  • To not panic in a crisis,
  • To maintain an even temperment, project competence and confidence,
  • To suppress panic wherever it may appear,
  • To ensure dispassionate, professional analysis of the situation,
  • To develop and implement effective solutions that minimise unavoidable harms,
  • To lead the way through the crisis.

Our leaders, in Government and on the backbenches and Opposition, and elswhere, barring very, very few exceptions have universally and abysmally failed. They have proven themselves unfit for office.

All of them allowed themselves to be panicked by hysterical media into ditching comprehensive pre-2020 public health planning and to imitate the Chinese.

There can be only one remedy for this scale of failure.

In the next election, in every country, voters should not give a single vote to incumbent politicians running for re-election.

For many, this may require voting for an unknown. But whomever the replacement is, by their performance and abject dereliction of duty the current incumbents have disqualified themselves from consideration.

Dodgy Geezer
Dodgy Geezer
5 years ago

“If a foreign power were causing damage on this scale we would regard it as an act of war, when deaths in defence of the country would become acceptable again….”

Actually, a foreign power did….

Mark
Mark
5 years ago

Imagine if the mainstream media were running these on their front pages alongside their highly suspect “I was an antivaxxer but now I’ve go covid I wish I’d had the vaccine” propaganda. Let alone if they were reporting all deaths within 28 days of vaccination as “vaccine deaths”.

This is an Australian Daily Telegraph journo:

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Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Here’s her previous Tweet that is being contrasted with that one online:

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chunky lafunga
chunky lafunga
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Unbelievable. And hilarious in equal measure. This is the classic black and white fallacy of the jab zealots. They present no other potential outcome to Covid besides certain death. This poor love’s taking a bout of myocarditis on the chin cuz as long as it’s not Covid then it’s all worth it.

chris c
chris c
5 years ago
Reply to  chunky lafunga

I don’t want to laugh but I just can’t help it.

tom171uk
tom171uk
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

I remember what freedom felt like but it was before this girl was born. She isn’t getting a ride to freedom because that stop has been removed. The ride is going nowhere fast.

annicx
annicx
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Does freedom include a mask so big you can barely see her face? What a fool.

RW
RW
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

That’s good news then, actually: Because COVID isn’t a treatable illness, nobody will ever need to go to hospital because of it, hence, collapse of the health care system cannot happen. Maybe collapse of the interment system, but that would be an entirely different conversation.

With a tip of that hat to cock-up or conspiracy: Considering that journalists turning into politicians is a routinely occurring phenomenon, on average, our cherished leaders will be exactly as competent as this evidently brainless fountain of poor witticisms.

🙂

Annie
Annie
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

As somebody here has already said, Australia has lost its freaking mind.

RW
RW
5 years ago
Reply to  Annie

I doubt this lady ever had much of a mind she could lose :-).

Peter W
Peter W
5 years ago
Reply to  RW

She probably has got a mind but is clueless how to use it ….or just plain lazy.

Waffle
Waffle
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

So permanent heart damage was worth it? As opposed to nothing worse than a cold for someone, of her age, in relatively decent health.

wantok87
wantok87
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Interesting lady-
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/my-scars-made-me-stronger-how-i-overcame-bullying-and-a-suicide-attempt-at-13/news-story/71cc4f7f1c6c5798a56b4bc1d8968332?amp&nk=97a6e8d736f29fa442eb304908515f5a-1628761467&__twitter_impression=true
not averse it seems on publishing her medical views. The 49 yr old school friend of my children who died with thrombosis after AZ ,did not have the chance to give het opinion

twi5ted
twi5ted
5 years ago

Keep in mind there is an election soon in Oz and NSW were until recently the Florida of Oz. Its possible this turnabout is related and public opinion is driving politicians to do something. There is no doubt there are a lot of bedwetters downunder if the comments posted on sites are anything to go by and liberals in NSW may be worried if they are not seen to take action it could damage them come election time. Labour, who until recently were NWO protagonists desperate to destroy the economy and raise taxes, are now astonishingly ahead in polls.

isobar
isobar
5 years ago

Bill Gates praises Australia’s response – now there’s a surprise! (NOT)

https://www.aier.org/article/bill-gates-praises-australias-covid-response/

RW
RW
5 years ago

Vote woke. Go to jail for the crime of being alive.

annicx
annicx
5 years ago
Reply to  RW

Or even wanting to live a full and free life.

peyrole
peyrole
5 years ago

Its a good rant against lockdowns. But it leave the question pending, is the author happy with mandated vaccines to replace lockdowns? Does he feel the same disgust with apartheid of non-vaxed? Until he makes that clear my sympathies are muted.

Susan
Susan
5 years ago

48 comments disappeared?

Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
5 years ago
Reply to  Susan

Toby Young works for the Chinese Communist Party.

Paul B
Paul B
5 years ago

If you get a post “moderated” (removed) do you get a notification or indication as to why or does it just go ‘poof’? I was looking for a reply to a previous discussion and can’t find it anywhere.

Poor poor showing, if posts are just removed arbitrarily this’ll be my last contribution.

amanuensis
amanuensis
5 years ago

You always have to give both sides of the equation.

  • In this case, lockdowns save 5,000 lives (apparently).
  • So we have to understand how many lives might be put at risk from lockdown.

Even better, do the analysis as Quality Adjusted Life Years — that way you can have a bit of an understanding that an 18 year old who dies from a readily treated condition that went undiagnosed because of limited access to healthcare is far more of a tragedy than someone dying 3 months before their time from covid (as much of a tragedy as that is to those concerned).

Beyond that, is there strong evidence that the social biocontrol measures actually work — there seems to be mounting evidence that they don’t (particularly mask wearing for those without symptomatic disease, which has precious little scientific evidence to support it).

Gregoryno6
Gregoryno6
5 years ago

To reiterate a tired point, it’s curious that ‘no death is acceptable’ hasn’t prevented decease by misuse of automobile, alcohol or tobacco. To name just the most prominent causes.
The various state governments have dug themselves a damn deep hole and they can’t see any solution except to keep digging. Scott Morrison talks tough on China one minute and spouts covidiocy the next.

Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  Gregoryno6

I’m not sure but at some point I think they decided they liked the hole they were in – easy power.

“no death is acceptable” is an evilly clever lie.

RW
RW
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

I think it’s a completely stupid lie because deaths are going to happen regardless of someone considering them inacceptable.

Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  RW

Stupid from the pov of reason, evidently very clever in political/marketing terms. As is often noted: “No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the people”.

Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Exactly. If you try to look at any this in the light of reason, logic or fact related to actual real-world public health, you’ll never get anywhere. More or less from the start it has been political theatre.

RW
RW
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

It’s stupid for another reason: This is what would be called a Totschlagargument in German. A (boilerplate) point people bring up in order to force an opponent (in a discussion) into defending himself against a baseless and seriously hyperbolic accusation and thus, deflect from the actual issue at hand.

Nobody must criticize the political decisions of this Australian clown because they’re all motivated by not accepting any deaths, hence, the critics must be those who accept deaths. But that’s nonsense. People who think that illnesses ought to be something the health system deals with, preferably by curing the sick, don’t accept death. Otherwise, they’d just isolate the infected and let them die. Which is precisely what Morrison is doing.

Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  RW

All of their arguments are rubbish from a rational and factual standpoint, but sadly they seem to work. It’s a clever argument in that sense.

RW
RW
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

They work because they’re not arguments. Just marketing, ie, repeated phrases supposed to be associated with certain political choices (etc) in order to control the narrative, ie, teach people how they should think about them.

No death is acceptable is just a particularly ill thought-out one. Eg, to reuse the example I already used: Assuming that no death is acceptable, people who are infected with a possibly deadly pathogen certainly shouldn’t just be put into isolation to find out if they’ll actually get seriously ill and whether or not they’ll manage to get to A&E quickly enough to get treatment before they die.

Even a lot of the few people who do actually get seriously sick because of Sars-CoV2.0 (pun intended) can be saved. Hence, no death is acceptable pretty much turns out to be save lives by killing people through systemic neglect in practice.

So, why’s that acceptable?

Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  RW

They work because they’re not arguments.” Yes, good point, very well put. Even more evilly clever.

I think like a lot of tyrants, their arrogance will be their downfall. I hope so.

annicx
annicx
5 years ago
Reply to  RW

People use similar tactics here regarding masks. I never get asked what my reasons are for not wearing one- I get accused of not caring if people die because of my selfishness. Then you end up justifying your position from a moral standpoint. On the train platforms, the message is clear; wear a mask out of respect and consideration for others- because it’s easier to justify vilification of you for not doing this than it is to justify asking you to wear a mask to control a virus. For me, self respect means not wearing one and if you don’t have self respect it’s very difficult to respect anyone.

OnceIWasARemainer
OnceIWasARemainer
5 years ago
Reply to  Gregoryno6

Destroying the economy in an effort to copy Xi Jinping, sounds like he’s talking tough FOR China.

James Kreis
James Kreis
5 years ago

What’s saddened me to date is how the police have enforced these ridiculous rules with relish and frequent brutality. The tide could be turning in Switzerland however and we must hope that others follow.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/08/10/swiss-cops-threaten-to-stop-enforcing-coronavirus-measures/

tom171uk
tom171uk
5 years ago
Reply to  James Kreis

It saddens me but doesn’t surprise me in the least. The police are recruited for their willingness to follow orders and readiness to punish.

JayBee
JayBee
5 years ago

If it’s not a conspiracy but a cockup, a very big IF now, Lockdownism was and still is adopted and doubled down upon because “Worldly wisdom teaches that it is better for reputation to fail conventionally than to succeed unconventionally.”

CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
5 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

But it wasn’t conventional wisdom until last year! It was widely (and correctly) viewed that these dystopian measures would have little or no impact on respiratory viruses such as this, and none of the measures which have been adopted were in any country’s pandemic plans.

Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  CynicalRealist

Indeed

This is the kind of thing DS should be pointing out mercilessly

tom171uk
tom171uk
5 years ago
Reply to  CynicalRealist

It is clearly an example groupthink. If people around you are behaving badly it becomes easy to give yourself moral permission to behave the same way.

International groupthink has dominated world affairs for a long time and will continue to do so for a long time.

OnceIWasARemainer
OnceIWasARemainer
5 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

The longer it goes on the more plausible conspiracy explanations become.

Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
Major Panic in the jabby jabbys
5 years ago

The ozzy and kiwi governments must be shitting themselves – the virus will pass through their populations whatever they do, they cannot hold back the tide, the gene therapy vaccines don’t work, the cavalry is not coming to save them, they have done untold damage to their economy and population and basically – they’re fucked!

huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
5 years ago

In terms of Agenda 2030 they are moving along swimmingly.

DanClarke
DanClarke
5 years ago

Sounds like the UK this time last year. Gullible, incompetent politicians following the ideas of rich men, seems to be the problem. The Church, which has also found itself in a mess, and also has a Globalist banker leading it, is now fighting back. We need to rid ourselves of Common Purpose

Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

“UK this time last year” I’ve seen no sign we’ve moved on from last year. The Big Lie remains the received opinion.

robnicholson
robnicholson
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

But people are (slowly) buying into the idea of living with it.

Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  robnicholson

Living with it with the aid of mass vaccination and boosters, vaccine coercion, vaccine passports, threats of more lockdowns, mass testing, guidance pushing businesses into using track and trace and masks, vaccinating children, destroying international mass travel
Not really living with it

robnicholson
robnicholson
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

I did say “slowly” but yes you’re right – got a long way to go. I’m in total agreement with your entire list – boy is it going to be a struggle to get back to normality – if we ever will 🙁

robnicholson
robnicholson
5 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

And making the classic mistake of believing in a silver bullet saving us all (vaccines)

Julian
Julian
5 years ago

While it’s important to see what is happening elsewhere, the takeaway should not be “thank God it’s not like that here”.

Because it is a catastrophe here too. And in Europe, and most other places.

We’re just in a different phase of things here.

I worry that the DS team think we’re out of the woods. We’re not. We are in deep shit. Things could and probably will get a lot worse here, and at best we are looking at a two-tier medico fascist dominated society where access to many things is restricted to people prepared to test or get vaxxed. That is a dystopia. That is what we need a long term plan to fight. I don’t think the DS team have quite grasped that yet.

me too
me too
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

They are stupid, God thanks.
Elbert Hubbard: Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped.
Benjamin Franklin: We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Robert Heinlein: Never underestimate the power of human stupidity,

Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  me too

Not stupid. Just in denial I think. Hard to accept that people who you have admired and considered allies could go so far off track.

huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

We need to stop discussion of mythical C1984 because it is simply the cover for the Orwellian nonsense being inflicted on us.

Julian
Julian
5 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

I think the trouble is that the brainwashed will never believe it is Orwellian as long as they buy the COVID lies
I still think the best and simplest line of attack is that COVID was not exceptional and the response was unorthodox

OnceIWasARemainer
OnceIWasARemainer
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

DS? acronym for?

OnceIWasARemainer
OnceIWasARemainer
5 years ago

Sorry, it’s Daily Sceptic, I keep thinking of place as LS still.

imp66
imp66
5 years ago

The Deep Sh*t we’re all in.

186NO
186NO
5 years ago
Reply to  Julian

IMHO this dystopia exists in reality but most appallingly in the educated but very dim Left, in the uneducated and even dimmer Left, in the morally inept Left, in the ingrained politically correct, ill educated Left who swallow every woke “thought for today” and apply it with blind zeal as received wisdom to be adopted by – to them – those unwashed ( but far better educated ), politically naive but in need of political re-education masses who have made an otherwise intelligent decision not to join their ranks. To me, a refugee of Oxbridge educated Grammar school heads who wrote off vast swathes of their pupils because we were not, “like them”, destined for their alma maters but who can think for themselves nonetheless, it is no accident that the teaching profession is riddled with these apparatchiks who clearly want to break “the system” not for their charges’ sakes, but so that they may be “more equal than others because we are SOOOO more equal than them”. Dum down the rigour of education – teacher assessment is the flagship of that armada – render your pupils incapable of independent thought, brainwash them at the most optimum post puberty pre… Read more »

me too
me too
5 years ago

I line this, below:

Alfred North Whitehead:

  • The absolute pacifist is a bad citizen; times come when force must be used to uphold right, justice and ideals.
  • Civilizations can only be understood by those who are civilized.
  • When you’re average, you’re just as close to the bottom as you are the top.

We must beat stupidity.

Lockdown Sceptic
Lockdown Sceptic
5 years ago

English speaking or French speaking the evil won’ go away

Macron tells France: Vaccine passports protect your freedom Tone-deaf.
https://reclaimthenet.org/macron-tells-france-vaccine-passports-protect-your-freedom/

Stand in South Hill Park Bracknell every Sunday from 10am meet fellow anti lockdown freedom lovers, keep yourself sane, make new friends and have a laugh.

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Susan
Susan
5 years ago

“Australia’s staggeringly incompetent ruling class…”

No, Mr. Waterson. Unspeakably wicked.
We are in a battle against evil, not incompetence.

tom171uk
tom171uk
5 years ago
Reply to  Susan

The two are not mutually exclusive.

DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
5 years ago
Reply to  tom171uk

Exactly, ignorance begets incompetence

ebygum
ebygum
5 years ago

Just like the UK, well everywhere actually, we only hear what the MSM see fit…on BitChute Reiner Fuellmich with Tony Nikolic, ‘Australia Update 6th August’.
People are fighting back everywhere….we are not alone…stand firm.

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