A panel of experts has told MPs that there is no way of stopping Covid from spreading through the entire population because the vaccines don’t prevent infection and transmission, especially given the Delta variant, adding that we should stop worrying about community testing. “What matters is the burden of patient hospitalisation and critical care,” says a Consultant Paediatrician at Imperial College Healthcare NHS Trust. “And actually there hasn’t been as much with this Delta variant.” The Telegraph has more.
Scientists said it was time to accept that there was no way of stopping the virus spreading through the entire population, and monitoring people with mild symptoms was no longer helpful.
Professor Andrew Pollard, who led the Oxford vaccine team, said it was clear that the Delta variant could infect people who had been vaccinated, which made herd immunity impossible to reach even with high vaccine uptake. …
Speaking to the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Covid, Sir Andrew said: “Anyone who is still unvaccinated will, at some point, meet the virus.
“We don’t have anything that will stop transmission, so I think we are in a situation where herd immunity is not a possibility and I suspect the virus will throw up a new variant that is even better at infecting vaccinated individuals.”
Until recently, it was hoped that increasing the number of Britons jabbed would create a ring of protection around the population. As late as last week, the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation said one of the reasons it had advised that 16 and 17 year-olds should be vaccinated was because it may help prevent a winter Covid wave.
However, analysis by Public Health England has shown that when vaccinated people catch the virus they have a similar viral load to unvaccinated individuals and may be as infectious.
Paul Hunter, Professor in Medicine at the University of East Anglia and an expert in infectious diseases, told the Committee: “The concept of herd immunity is unachievable because we know the infection will spread in unvaccinated populations and the latest data is suggesting that two doses is probably only 50% protective against infection.”
Professor Hunter, who advises the World Health Organisation on Covid, also said it was time to change the way the data was collected and recorded as the virus became endemic.
“We need to start moving away from just reporting infections, or just reporting positive cases admitted to hospital, to actually start reporting the number of people who are ill because of Covid,” he added. “Otherwise we are going to be frightening ourselves with very high numbers that actually don’t translate into disease burden.”
On Tuesday, Sajid Javid, the Health Secretary, confirmed that third dose booster shots would be given from next month. However, Sir Andrew argued that, if mass testing was not stopped, Britain could be in a situation of continually vaccinating the population.
“I think as we look at the adult population going forward, if we continue to chase community testing and are worried about those results, we’re going to end up in a situation where we’re constantly boosting to try and deal with something which is not manageable,” he said.
“It needs to be moving to clinically driven testing in which people are willing to get tested and treated and managed, rather than lots of community testing. If someone is unwell they should be tested, but for their contacts, if they’re not unwell then it makes sense for them to be in school and being educated.”
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These doctors are cunningly fooling people and the Daily Sceptic doesn’t seem to discern it…or don’t want it.
This is another article to promote the erroneous theory that ‘variants’ are dangerous and to promote the erroneous idea that due to these ‘variants’, people will have to take constant regular ‘boasters’.
Remember that C19 doesn’t exist because it fails Koch Postulates, therefore EVERYTHING ELSE IS A LIE!!!
Renowed epidemiologist professors Dolores Cahill & Sucharit Bhakdi already instructed us that VARIANTS ARE NEVER DANGEROUS!!!…
Really who knew? That vaccines ever have never stopped transmission or infection of viruses or any illness.
Hello! Wake up!…my goodness
BE WORRIED ABOUT THIS!
This is only released as part of the plan
We knew everything in this article at least this time last year.
WHAT HE LEFT OUT!
Herd immunity does exist albeit temporarily, like with flu (yknow the disease was put on par with BEFORE first lockdown) each year.
ALSO
As the virus has, alleged, animal reservoirs (bat’s mainly) there van be no eradication of this virus.
So all of this was for at least to make more money and at worst to get more totalitarian control further down the line.
DID YOU KNOW
The common cold we have. Ow allegedly came from a camel.
GET OUT AND LIVE YOUR LIFE
Where did all the common sense come from?
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/the-five-key-covid-truths-that-could-have-saved-us-from-self-destruction/ Censoring Individuals is counter productive when the Pharma Companies refuse to accept or offer Liability on their products.
Next phase..
Retreat slowly from covid.. and progress to climate change lockdowns
On Newsnight, Kirsty Wark posed the possibility of government banning people from using their car or eating meat for 3 or 4 days per week. In response, the Labour politician said whilst that was not the policy they would implement immediately; they would not rule it out.
Covid is now part of the reform of society, to give us a Chinese style credit system and to restrict energy use because Greta. The collective narrative is now ‘more important’ than individual freedom. And pig dictator damaged man-boy Boris, his teenage Rockerfeller girlfriend, his wife-beating Rockerfeller Agenda 21 creating dad and Ponce Charles etc want to save ‘their’ planet. We only have 12 years before it is hotter than a soldering iron and all the polar bears drown. Dontcha know.
People on here like to think that Desmond Swayne or Charles Walker will save them.. no. I met Swayne. He is all hair and ego.. he votes for climate change stuff.. he ‘believes’ in it.. he votes to take away benefits from disabled people.. all the stuff Boris or Cameron or coke snorting prostitute fucking Gideon votes or voted for he… Read more »
The ‘vaccines’ are nothing more than a money-making scam. No vaccine = you haven’t helped Big Pharma to make a profit, so you will be punished.
Vaccine Macht Frei!
From SNCF (French railways) own site:
https://www.sncf.com/en/passenger-offer/travel-by-train/covid19-rail-traffic-what-you-need-to-know
Stop testing is the advice? Stop vaccinating should have been the advice! The vaccines’ short-term side-effects are terrible and the vaccines don’t make any difference, they are basically crap. The people that might have had some benefit from them died a long time ago. To believe that as a society we can control and even suppress natural processes such as a virus is such immense hubris, that only the current crop of spineless narcissist leaders could have based their catastrophic health policies on it….and then feel the need to cover up their epic mistake once the results become plain to see.
Oh but are you suggesting Boris Johnson can’t control nature? How shocked he will be to learn that!
Well, he certainly can’t control his own natural impulses so maybe he already has an inkling of his impotence…
It does often seem to be the folks with the most children who are keenest on population controls!
The Population Problem: “Just the right number of me, way too many of you.”
The sound of millions of hands face palming around the world today if deafening.
WE TOLD YOU SO.
Comment from here:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-covid-vaccine-booster-jab-cases-deaths-hospitalisations/#comments
“Future Covid control measures should only apply to the most vulnerable, a member of Sage has said. ”
You mean like the Great Barrington Declaration?
Why do the vulnerable have to be controlled?
They are free people too, and can decide perfectly well for themselves how to deal with it.
Yes, but should they wish to isolate for 3 months while HI is reached (as could have been done in March last year) I wouldn’t object to some of the billions wasted having gone there. It could be worded differently for sure.
I’m sure there were protection measures in the BGD, not ‘control’ as you say.
The GBD as far as i can remember didn’t say the vulnerable must be protected but only if they chose to be. My BIL didn’t get that though and being in his late 70s thought following the GBD would mean he couldn’t get out and about as he wished so he was against it.
Benefits for disabled people is an interesting one, sounds like a socialised system of insurance in case you are hurt of born with issues preventing you from working or working to a level to contribute fully.
I think an argument can be made for only socialising things that need to be so and privately insuring/saving against other things. Disabled being the most likely to incur ire if you suggest this but there are a lot of similarities to other ‘free’ services.
Single white male tax payer, with no kids, no benefits, no perks, fully employed and have been all my adult life here. I pay a great deal so that other people’s children can go to school, get health care (regardless of how they treat their bodies), have as many children as they can’t afford etc.
While it may not be great for society if we made education less ‘free’ (nothing is free, someone is paying) there could very well be a discussion to be had. Less government, more personal responsibility, etc etc.
Arguably, I lose freedom when I am forced to give up the fruits of my labour.
Telegraph comments are brilliant
“The concept of herd immunity is unachievable because we know the infection will spread in unvaccinated populations and the latest data is suggesting that two doses is probably only 50% protective against infection.”
Which, being interpreted, means that the pre-2020 definition of herd immunity, based on immunity after infection, should be reinstated, and the novel idea that only vaccines produce it should be ditched. It’s perverse to re-define an established concept and then say it’s unachievable when your new definition fails.
Yes and so what should happen now is they stop pressure to vaccinate teenagers and young people, stop testing in schools and allow spread, get rid of track and trace and vaccine passports are totally useless. But I don’t think these things will happen, they will continue on their path of vax everyone, blame unvaccinated and deny natural immunity.
And extend testing to all and everywhere again.
Far too good a business to let go.
The reasoning is their newest lie.
It isn’t unachievable because it still spreads amongst the unvaxxed.
It’s unachievable because they a) don’t understand what it is and are chasing zero Covid instead and b) their mass vaccination program has created and is creating ever more variants against which the gunk doesn’t work at all and c) the virus also spreads among animals and from them to humans.
This lie is so obvious and enraging, because they are actually confirming it as one in the sentence before they state it, when they finally admit that the virus still spreads massively amongst the vaxxed too.
Where is their mentioning of natural immunity!! It can only spread amongst any population, vaccinated or unvaccinated for so long until those people have gained immunity from infection. I am so sick of this natural immunity denial from them.
We have had too many false dawns to let this go to our heads, I know, but I’m taking this little ‘win’. I read quite a few of the comments underneath the article as well and I really think more and more people are coming around to our point of view. At the same time in the Daily Mail there was an article about young men being more at risk from myocarditis from the Pfizer Jab……more drip drip drip…..let’s hope it continues.
on a lighter note…it seems to have knobbled our usual vax trolls who are obvious by their absence!
I live in hope. Sometimes hope is all there is and I..er…hope it’s not in vain. It does feel like a ‘win’ but I’ve observed how the ‘authorities’ tend to ignore evidence when it is presented in the bright light of day, even when garlanded with flowers with a full Busby Berkeley chorus line singing ‘Hallelujah’. Again, no debate, no discussion, we’re all delusional dimwits, conspiradroids, antijabbers etc etc etc even the highly esteemed scientists who have chosen to sacrifice their reputations, careers, tenures, ability to earn an income, mortgages, families etc for a quick stab at fame, apparently. It’s this stonewalling that seems so frustratingly endless. We need a stonemason to take this wall down…
Or a sledgehammer…
Oh I agree….we already know that they’ve got a contract for the ‘vaxx-pass’…but we must take wins when we can if nothing else just to get us ready for the next fight…the thing I’m hoping is that once these things are out there, they’re out, they can’t be unseen by Joe Public.
3 words…..
GREAT BARRINGTON DECLARATION
if these fuckers had listened and followed the real science we would not have destroyed our economy, created a tsunami of mental health issues, killed or injured thousands with dodgy so called medical treatments and worst of all, divided society in a possibly irredeemable way.
My thoughts to the letter. Did Prof Pollard offer any hint of gratitude to those behind the GBD…..thought not.
Stop testing, experts tell MP’s, ie stop listening to the previous science. It has been a nice little earner though which they seem reluctant to let go of
Sajid said Covid boosters would start next month? Is this because the first two simply don’t work, cause serious adverse events and deaths in all age groups and not enough people were harmed? So let’s give a booster. There is a copy of a Pfizer contract made with a country on Twitter. Makes for an alarming read. If every health authority around the world are genuinely concerned about Covid they would allow early treatments as described by Drs Peter McCullough, Tess Lawrie, Pierre Kory, Harvey Risch, Ryan Cole, Simone Gold and the hundreds of other doctors using or recommending these treatments with repurposed drugs successfully in early treatment. Our governments have signed contracts that prohibit them from what? Read the contract with Pfizer.
Total and utter madness. Definition of madness (or one of them): keep doing something that is known not to work ad infinitum in the vain hope that it will work. Despite it not working. Then ramp up doing this thing in the extremely vain hope that it might work. We, most of us here, know that we live in crazy times governed by madmen but the question is how do we get it to stop?
It is because they have already ordered at least 4 doses per citizen for the next 2 years.
The EU has ordered 1.8 billion doses for 450 million citizens.
And we can’t disappoint the Pfizer shareholders can we? I wouldn’t be able to sleep at night knowing their dividends might be affected.
I haven’t read the contract but if it contains a clause requiring the cabal to prevent the use of existing medicines the options would be:
Hmm.
So will these experts and the media now apologize for the way they have treated Sunetra Gupta and colleagues who have pointed out that the emperor wears no clothes?
Didn’t think so.
Has anyone checked Lord snooty under his bridge?
Nothing new here. I said this over a year ago in letters to the Health Secretary, the chair of the parliamentary select committee and the APPG, from none of whom did I get any acknowledgement. Still, the message is finally getting through, which is satisfying in a way. It underlines the need to have informed clinicians on planning committees, but the recent College of Physicians report on hospital care ignores treatment of severe disease (in a medical sense). If even the clinicians cannot grasp the truth then Houston, we have a problem.
Houston IS the problem 🙂
Hmm….
This seems a bit weak to me. Talking about herd immunity in this way is strange as that’s not what herd immunity really is.
Also saying it will still spread in the unvaxxed when it will spread in the vaxxed too.
Definitely a good sign but he’s still pulling his punches.
Notice Pollard says that ‘everyone unvaccinated WILL eventually get infected: he omits to say that the vast majority of the unvaccinated are already immune!
he also omits to say that the vaccinated will continue to get infected.
Also that the majority of unvaccinated will still have no symptoms, unlike the common cold
The unvaccinated achieved endemic equilibrium on Boxing Day 2020 and didn’t balls up their natural immunity with a leaky prophylactic.
“Vaccines don’t stop transmission and won’t give herd immunity, so lets stop testing “ ???
how about “the vaccine don’t stop transmission and won’t give herd immunity, so stop the vax”
seems fairly straightforward really, that is of course if one is looking for a solution.
Definitely, if the real aim here is not to make lots of money for big pharma and/or push digital ID agenda etc then logical thing to do would be to stop mass vaccination, accept that transmission can’t be stopped and prioritise investigating cheap treatments that can reduce deaths.
The fact that Australia are doing the opposite and censoring HCQ & Ivermectin mentions and trying to increase ‘vaccine’ uptake confirms once again that ‘conspiracy theorists’ may well be correct.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-58168048
The term “conspiracy theorist” has been replaced with “spoiler alert”.
The Professor’s advice sounds remarkably like the advice given to people for the whole of human history pre March 2020 for all respiratory illnesses: get help if you are ill but do not worry too much if you are not ill.
If they were smart, they would accept that the facts have changed most obviously with regard to the vaccines efficiency and instead of peddling their testing nonsense, let alone their continued administration of and coercion into having the gunk, they would stop it and then sell the program as a success because it has created, or rather enabled the fast and wide spread, of the harmless Delta variant.
But they are so deep in their holes that they can’t even see that.
And they would obviously have to revise their lie that the unvaccinated created that variant and its spread, but noone believes that anymore anyway, and noone states it anymore outside of the most evil peddlers of that nonsense, like Fauci in the US and Soeder&co in Germany.
Perhaps they’re planning ahead having realised that they’ll be up in court, so they are working out their defensive position! Only dreaming, perhaps.
Funny isn’t it, now some scientists start talking sense the government ignores them, but when they’ve been shouting panic they get listend to.
Also, has anyone noticed how the WHO’s retconning of the meaning of “Herd Immunity” is playing in to this. By pretending herd immunity relies on vaccination, it doesn’t solely, they can say it will never be reached. In reality herd immunity can come from infection or vaccination and it seems these vaccines for this disease don’t really contribute to it, vax stops serious symptoms but has zero effect on transmission. Variolation* of the young made sense in 2020 and still makes sense now, reserve vaccines for those really needing them to stop serious symptoms (that means old folks in poor countries too), let the young catch the virus. Then the young can be the effective herd immunity reservoir to stop spread, the old have the vax incase they catch it anyway. It seems to make sense to variolate* careworkers, they are mostly young enough to handle the virus fine, and the important thing for them is not to pass it on to the vulnerable (though that hardly matters now the vulnerable are vaxxed).
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They come to a better conclusion, but still don’t understand what herd immunity is and isn’t and still totally neglect the animals role in that anyway.
The impossibility was clear from the start to everyone who cared to read up oin the 4 principles for a successful vaccination, see Paul Cullen.
They are saying ‘herd immunity’ cannot be achieved but they mean ‘zero Covid’ can’t be achieved but they can’t admit that was their aim all along, and being ‘experts’ it takes them ten times as long as your average Joe to realise the bleeding obvious.
Exactly. They and Joe Public still understand HI as being Zero Covid kicking in once the magic HIT has been reached.
Total m*rons.
Or evil.
Very acute comment.
Agreed!
https://www.achgut.com/artikel/warum_wirkt_pfizer_biontech_bnt162b2_klinisch_nicht_gegen_covid
They also don’t work against death or serious illness. They are just, expensive AND dangerous, snake oil.
Of which the EU has ordered 1.8 billion more doses already, so 4 for everyone over the next 2 years.
Enjoy.
We all know why they are really administered and what the real goal behind all this is.
This Dr. explains why in this article dissecting Pfizer trial data and the linked prior articles by him.
Note, that the Pfizer trial was not completely blind: the patients knew whether they were on the ‘vaccine’ or a placebo, which renders much side effect data useless.
There is no excess mortality (and hasn’t been for many months). There is no excessive pressure on the nhs except for the one of their own making (ie by denying a service to so many for so long). The terrible threat of the new scariants is the stuff of science fiction (already proven by the lacklustre performance of the delta variant). There is no pandemic. Time for the masses to grow a backbone and get back to the old normal.
There is excess morality, from heart disease. See news round up.
But it’s harder to use heart disease as an excuse for fascist tyranny.
This guy is going to get “disappeared” or, deplatformed, or defamed.
We can’t have have reason doing it’s dirty work of delegitimising the absolute necessity of vaccine passports.
He can speak truth to power but there’s no guarantee they will listen.
In fact I suspect they will interpret it as “more lockdowns”.
After 18 months of fear porn and hysteria this suddenly happens? WTF???
I had to watch it 3 times as it was so against all the alarmist bullshit constantly fed to the public!
So where does this leave the “jab everyone with a pulse” brigade?
Makes me wonder if they’re now shitting themselves about ADE this coming winter?
Something, somewhere has happened.
There will be ADE deaths this Autumn / Winter and probably significant numbers.
I doubt there is any panic among the globalists just yet.
Some ministers might be getting twitchy bottoms.
Heart attacks running above usual levels, I see, in one of the most vaccinated nations…