Up to 1.6 million people in England were told to self-isolate in a single week, according to the Guardian, which has taken into account the 500,000 people ‘pinged’ by the NHS Covid app in the week up to July 7th, as well as those told to isolate by Test and Trace and the children told to stay at home because others in their ‘bubble’ tested positive for Covid. Yet despite the major disruption this is causing to education, businesses and the nation’s mental and physical health, the NHS Covid app won’t be changed for “weeks” (never mind school bubbles).
A week ago, after forecasts that up to 10 million would be forced to isolate within a six-week period, Jenny Harries, Head of the new Health Security Agency, told MPs the Government planned to tweak the Covid app to make it less sensitive and account for the majority of adults now being vaccinated. The need to isolate after exposure to a confirmed Covid case will be dropped for fully vaccinated people in England from August 16th.
On Thursday, however, Communities Secretary Robert Jenrick said while the Government accepted the technology needed tweaking, “we’re going to give further thought to how it is a proportionate response”, adding: “The Government is going to be setting out its plans in the coming weeks, so I’m not going to pre-empt those.
“It is important we have the app, that we take it seriously and that when we do get those messages, we act accordingly,” he told the BBC.
Data published by the Government and analysed by the Guardian found the number of people being urged to quarantine is rising sharply.
About 337,695 people were told to isolate by NHS Test and Trace for being identified as a close contact of someone who had tested positive in the week of July 1st-7th, according to the latest statistics.
Over the same period, 520,194 people were also pinged by the Covid app. The number of schoolchildren forced into isolation because others in their “bubble” were positive Covid cases stood at 624,000 in the week of July 2nd-8th.
With the addition of those who themselves tested positive, totalling 194,005, that meant there were up to 1,675,894 people told to isolate over a one-week period in England. There may be a degree of crossover between the groups, with some individuals potentially being counted more than once.
The figure for the previous week stood at 1,206,612 – suggesting the number of people being urged to stay at home is climbing and could continue to do so after the dropping of nearly all Covid restrictions in England from Monday.
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Just delete the app, stop getting tested and reclaim your freedom.
And no more masks. Stick it in the post to Pfeffel the Fatfuk.
But how do idiotic compliant lemmings act upon a sensible idea like that .These people will look no further than “50000” in a headline and think thats how manypeole have died today not the number of cases discovered many of whom will suffer a horrible lack of any symptoms .These types clearly didnt really apprcaite their freedon before Covid .This is just lockdown by the back door around the same time as telling everyone lockdown is over well its clearly isnt is it
I’ve never been told to self-isolate and neither has my family (apart from wife quaranteening back from abroad)
its like there are 2 parallel universes bumping alongside each other
It’s getting farcical now. When people start laughing at your propaganda, that’s when you need to worry. It’s very hard to take the app seriously now – even for those people daft enough to download it in the first place.
You have to be really, really, really stupid to have this crazy app.
Or want paid time off work to sunbathe
Yes what woud motivate anyone to have it >there are a breed of people though who fancy a couple of weeks off four times a year so they keep it
The only point I disagree with is the idea that it’s getting farcical now. It’s been a bloody farce since 23 March 2020. Brian Rix should be on the propaganda posters.
yes there are more people isolating now that the national lockdown last year stupid is what it is and anyone taking notice of this nonsense must be even stupider ( i know thats not a word)
And do any of them have symptoms?
Imagine how little freedom we’d have if we followed the same advice for the 23 more dangerous things in the UK as much as we did for the special virus?!?
How the fuck do we even manage to cross the road advice coming soon or maybe an app ,but dont look at while your crossing the road
If you think about it, social distancing was already around before the pandemic. I mean the internet socially distances people.
True, they have been conditioning us and training us for this very moment. They simply could never do this in the 90s and before. Netflix and all the online stuff is to placate us and to keep us at home happy in our bondage.
Absolutely agree what changed in the late 90s?….Bliar became primeminister.
Oh FFS. Nobody has slagged off Blair more than me – but he’s part of a neoliberal continuum that started with ThatcheReagan, with the con of ‘free’ market corporate globalism – and has, in this country, had the Tories as the majority party for the majority of the time.
It’s time to look outside the prison of the old political box (now a tool of those who want to seal you in a fiction) and see what is actually happening
Not us. Only the zombies.
Digital soma
The most surprising thing is that so many seem to be surprised that this would happen.
True, though even I have been surprised by how little the vaccines reduce transmission
Not surprising at all. What is maybe a bit surprising is if this doesn’t finally wake them up. Although, given the public’s track record, probably not a huge surprise either.
Presumably, there must be a database of all numbers that have downloaded the app. Therefore, presumably, it would be very easy for somebody, with a minimal number of clicks of a mouse, to send several hundred thousand messages to deliberately inflate the numbers.
After all. That is what criminal scammers do all the time.
I have just been looking at the release notes for the app. Lots of “bug fixes”. I wonder if any of these releases coincide with increases in numbers. There was one on the 28th June, for example…
see here for version history:
https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/nhs-covid-19/id1520427663
Via chinese IT whispers I did hear that the “DB” of users wasnt federated properly and so it would send the same id in each federation a message to isolate.
You may already know this, but the app is on everyone’s phone already (it can’t be uninstalled) . But it has to be activated by the user.
Just another example of the sunk cost fallacy at work. It was widely known prior to the pandemic that the concept of track and trace would only work in the early stage of a pandemic if you were able to catch the first few cases. It is obvious to anyone with an ounce of intelligence that the cat was out of the bag about 15 months ago, but having spent £40bn on an app, the Government can’t be seen to admit that it was a colossal waste of our money. So never mind the ongoing damage to the economy and the massive inconvenience to everyone, onward we must go, into the valley of stupidity.
Still going with Toby’s “it’s all incompetence and corruption” explanation of things?
You make a good point. To be honest I vacillate between cock up and conspiracy but it’s getting harder and harder to stay with the former I will admit.
Inci=dentally, has anyone seen a breakdown of that £40bn? What was it spent on?
Of course not but part if it went to the Mega testing lab built in Lemmington Spa. The 40 billion is money that is meant to help tag and trace your like cattle obviously. Our future taxes spent on technology to control us. Brilliant
Same with PCR, LFT and vaccines.
I love this line from latest SAGE minutes:
“Although the number of people who have been vaccinated is known with high accuracy, the number who have not been vaccinated is not.”
Which translates to “we have no idea how many people are in this country”
Great spot! Of course we’ve always known they have no idea how many are here.
At least twice they said “If the aim is to prevent the NHS being overwhelmed…”
If? IF?
Play them at their own game – “IF the NHS is overwhelmed, then it’s absolutely your fault”.
Learn the messaging game, and hammer it home at each opportunity :
“What!? They’ve had over twelve months to sort this out, and they’re still confessing incompetence affecting us next winter???”
Of course, no MSM wage slave will be pointing this out at the fake ‘news’ conferences.
hold on – hazmat suits and a separate oxygen supply prevent transmission (and I seem to remember such a scene with CCP chairman Jumping Jim); It would take years to get new nurses trained – so if they really wanted to protect the NHS, why didn’t they spend some of those billions on a load of these for health workers so that they don’t keep getting “pinged”? Then we might have a chance.
Perhaps securing the nation’s border is the best way to secure the NHS (although I would prefer it abolished before they Liverpool care me)
Living, as I do, on the main route from Dover to London I regularly witness the influx of migrants walking up the motorway or jumping off the back of lorries as they arrive at our local supermarkets and warehouses. Whatever the government estimate is I’d say multiply by at least 4.
Either that or they can’t do simple subtraction.
I have thought for some time that if it ever reached the point that I got into trouble for not having had the vax, I could just lie and rely on the record keeping being so lax that I would probably get away with it.
I have considered pretending I’ve had it and it’s not showing on my records. I reckon I could easily get away with it. But then next it would be boosters…
I think for now, complete non-engagement with the vaccine and test processes is the best policy.
Yes, but you can’t opt out of the vaccine harassment campaign – they’ve now actually got back to me (after many emails being ignored) and confimed that there is no way to opt out.
Or they are confused by basic arithmetic?
Solitary confinement is what they use to try to break the spirit of unruly inmates.
So how is the vaccine success story which is Israel going?
Let’s say it’s looking interesting.
ADE ?
Nice one. Sort of blows the real ‘case’ for vaccines right out of the water.
Maybe ADE. Or maybe the vaccine doesn’t do much and it’s the older/vulnerable population that are more likely to have had it. We need age stratification.
Just one. Just…just.. one more piece of government advice. Just…just…one more guideline…I…I…swear…
Not worth reading at all, delete the app if you have been a silly and downloaded it.
Local corner shop just now. Eight other customers in there. Two mask wearers. Sri Lankan family that run it stopped even pretending to wear them months ago.
A lot of their trade is working blokes buying beer and fags and they’re just not interested in the rules. I’ve never been meaningfully challenged anywhere but I admit it’s useful when your fellow maskless shoppers are all six foot four and built like hod carriers or scaffolders.
Macron has decided to take on the role of God.
”’You cannot have the same rights because you have not taken on the same responsibilities,’ president says he would say to non vaccinated people
“Service guarantees citizenship.”
The necrophiliac dwarf goes full “Starship Troopers”.
Interesting that his author friend Houlebeuq, the enfant terrible of modern Francois literature, published a book called Submission a few years ago. The theme of the book was about French identity and politics, amongst all the bad sex, and was about an unlikely coalition between the more extreme right and left and Catholics and Islam. Very interesting to see who is opposing this in France- for someone supposedly so well educated and well read he seems remarkedly ignorant of relatively recent European history. Should be an interesting weekend in France. Massive demos about this in Greece as well of course not covered by the MSM.
You can tell if a demo is astroturf because the MSM will cover it.
Well – a Vichy supporter of fascism would say that sort of thing, wouldn’t they.
Essentially in partial translation : ‘Egalite, Fraternite, Liberte? Fuck off’ (Sorry about the accents – Macron’s French comes from the German.
As if being the citizen of a country was an actual choice.
Countries are protection rackets. You have to be under the “protection” of one of them. And typically you don’t get to chose which.
In “civilised” countries we have unalterable rights which rulers can’t just take away. In the less civilised ones rulers grant and take away rights as they please.
Macron seems to be renegotiating the terms of the French protection racket while pointing a gun at his people, figuratively speaking,.. for now.
It would seem that being a civilised country is going out of style.
Going out of style? It went out of style 15 months ago in, what was it, 180 countries all at once
Two friends of mine (both double vaccinated) have had covid this week bless them, we all went to an event for the Euro final and I’m the only one, having relied on my natural immunity acquired in March 2020 to good effect and haven’t got a single thing wrong with me. As I don’t have the app and *accidentally* gave my old phone number on the door of the venue looks like I am free to go about all weekend.
It’s 40 times more effective (4000%) to catch it than risk the jab.
I’ve only had one day off work sick in 20 years, I’ve been working or socialising for the vast majority of the time since March 2020. Why on earth would I want an “app” (whatever that is)?
There is always a silver lining to the moron nation we now inhabit….at least we don’t have to listen to another fuckwit album by ed sheeran….I’m with the a-team!
Ed Sheeran ‘self-isolates again after close Covid contact’ | Evening Standard
Incredible people volunteering for house arrest….
The Simpsons ‘ping’ each other
As the therapists says ‘That’s not the way to get healthy’
Feck a whole country more stupid than The Simpsons
https://youtu.be/JFCgz959ARY
My mobile phone has not pinged once
Possibly because I don’t have a mobile phone
I’ve just blocked the T&T numbers, obviously no app
Self isolating if pinged is purely advisory, so why are so many self isolating?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57772515
“A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude.” Aldous Huxley.
There you have it. Britain is a really efficient totalitarian state that doesn’t need to coerce its citizens to place themselves under house arrest.
Because they are sheep and do as they are told, while smugly posting on Facebook that they are “doing their bit”.
I’ve long-since lost track of the blunders the UK government has made dealing with covid-19.
Moving people out of hospitals into care homes without testing them. Building White Elephant “Nightingale” hospitals. Rushing around buying un-needed ventilators. Buying shoddy PE for health workers. Telling people it was dangerous to exercise outdoors. Reversing course on masks (without any science to back up that reversal.) Closing schools. Choosing the cheapest (and least effective) vaccine. Pushing a one-vaccine jab policy, rather than double-jabbing.
I’m sorry, but at this point, the UK government and its scientists have pretty much zero credibility when it comes to covid. They’ve cried “wolf” too many times. They’ve been flat out wrong too many times. They’ve deliberately lied to us too many times.
You’re right, though I am not sure they should be seen as blunders. Most of it was theatre – I am not sure they ever cared much about whether it would work or not, just about how it could be spun.
What they have sadly not blundered with is the propaganda campaign and the work of the nudge unit – that has worked very well
The US and UK have roughly the same percentage of their population vaccinated: 59% and 53% respectively. But the UK, with a population less than one fifth has almost twice as many daily infections (51,800 vs. 28,000) than the US.
That can ONLY be explained by the UK government’s decision to use the Astra-Zeneca vaccine rather than the alternatives from Pfizer, etc.
To save literally a few quid per vaccination, the UK government has guaranteed we’ll be stuck in perpetual lockdowns/fear for at least the next six months.
That’s not a state propaganda campaign. (Although I’ll readily concede the Govt. and its running dogs in the media have done their dirty work.)
That’s the result of criminally bad decision making.
Oh, and in case anyone was wondering: Sweden, with a population of about 10 million, and never had a lockdown, has been averaging about 280 cases per day.
For at least the next six months? Why not forever? What will change in six months’ time? Do you seriously think that the government will declare victory and we’ll all be back to normal? All-cause mortality is running below an already low average. There’s no plausible reason for any of this, and there hasn’t been since last spring.
“Criminally bad decision making” – yup – that would be ditching the orthodox pandemic plan and adopting CCP style lockdowns and an insane, futile, immoral, evil mass vaccination campaign.
What vaccine do they use in Israel?
Pfizer
Thought so. Not sure where that leaves Drew63’s argument then, given the rise in cases in Israel
Over the past couple of weeks Israel has been reporting between 6 and 7 cases per hundred thousand population. Very similar to the United States. (Both primarily use the Pfizer vaccine.)
The U.K., which uses the Astra-Zeneca, has been averaging something like 37 cases per hundred thousand. More than five times the rate.
Please keep in mind: When the media reports that “cases are surging” in Israel (or many other places) – it’s often from a very low base.
All three countries have similar vaccination rates. There may be other factors at work here, but I struggle to come up with alternative explanations than the difference in vaccine effectiveness. Especially when you keep in mind the fact that the Astra-Zeneca’s tested effectiveness was considerably lower than the Pfizer/BioNTech alternatives. 67% versus 96%.
The Astra-Zeneca may be effective at preventing serious symptoms in break-through cases. But by single-jabbing people with a less-effective vaccine the UK government has pretty much guaranteed the situation we are now in.
“That can only be explained by…” Well, that’s a bold statement but you’re assuming those numbers are a like for like comparison, including who is being tested, and how. I wouldn’t trust any of the numbers these liars come up with.
Its almost like it is a social experiment, they know that none are dying OF covid, that its a mild virus, but are using it to see how a real plague would work out, a bit like the remote Event 101, now trying it out in reality. Maybe its being bankrolled by the mega rich just as a curiosity
You forgot ditching the original plan of not having a lockdown
A decision based on the scribblings of a mad man on a white board,
^^^THIS^^^
And he had such a fantastic record for accurate predictions, too…
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/the-c-list-celebs-thats-c-for-covid/ You’ve got to laugh
I don’t interact with many people outside my close family at the moment, so it was quite a surprise to listen in to my wife’s zoom call with her team at work – on there was a woman who’s isolating as she’s positive – double jabbed for months as she works for 111 as a second job. Not leaving the house not even to walk her new puppy. Not a hint of questioning the narrative, just hoping her booster will be soon. She just has a sore throat and is thankful she took the vex so things weren’t worse. The whole team were just as bad.
I honestly thought these people just exist on Twitter. I can’t see how to deprogram them.
They don’t exist, they just twitter, like Homer’s ghosts in the otherworld.
Pity the puppy.
Why, why, why do these cretins download the thing? Like fixing chains on your ankles and making for the nearest dungeon?
project fear? stupid? not been taught logic? don’t do lateral thinking?
Up to 6 million a week told to “self isolate”? in July? How is anyone supposed to believe the government have got it right?
What Sceptics actually have the app?
Just reinforces the reasoning behind not getting the app or indeed following any government diktat.
Stop getting tested, get rid of the app and get back to work… you spineless hypochondriacs