End Covid Vaccination of Children Because the Risks Outweigh the Benefits, Government Told By MPs and Scientists

The risks of vaccinating children against Covid now clearly outweigh the benefits, the Government has been told by a group of MPs and scientists in an open letter setting out the latest evidence.

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The risks of vaccinating children against Covid now clearly outweigh the benefits, the Government has been told by a group of MPs and scientists.

In an open letter to the Government’s vaccination advisory committee – the JCVI – the MPs including Miriam Cates, Esther McVey and Sir Desmond Swayne and scientists including Professor Allyson Pollock, Dr Roland Salmon and Professor Brent Taylor write that “the risk to benefit ratio for child Covid vaccination has worsened since September”.

They continue:

The risks of adverse events (including but not limited to myocarditis) increase as more doses are given, and any advantages are reduced as vaccine effectiveness in suppressing Omicron transmission decreases (especially given widespread natural immunity). Given that any potential benefits of vaccinating children were calculated to be marginal at best in the first place, we suspect that this margin has not only evaporated but actually reversed in light of the characteristics of the new and dominant Omicron variant and the increase in robust and durable naturally-acquired immunity. …

Unlike the elderly and clinically vulnerable population – for whom the potentially life-saving benefits of vaccination substantially outweigh any risks from vaccination – our children face no such threat from COVID-19 yet have 50 or more years of healthy life expectancy ahead of them that could be compromised by long-term vaccine harms. It is crucial that, if we are to proceed with the mass double vaccination of healthy children, we are absolutely certain that this policy will do more good than harm. Furthermore, we need to give consideration to what precedent is being set for triple or even continuous and regular vaccination for this age group.

We believe that the benefit to risk ratio of child vaccination should be reassessed in light of the Omicron variant and new evidence on both vaccine harms and superior natural immunity. We urge the JCVI to review this new evidence and provide updated advice to the Government with regards to the mass vaccination of healthy 12-15 year olds.

Brent Taylor, Professor Emeritus of Community Child Health at UCL Great Ormond Street Institute of Child Health and formerly a JCVI member for eight years, said: 

The JCVI made a very sensible and laudable recommendation when it advised the Government last September against the mass vaccination of healthy children against COVID-19. The Committee was rightly concerned about the unknown potential harms of the new vaccines, in particular myocarditis. 

Since the unfathomable decision of the CMO to go against that advice, second doses are now being offered to children despite further evidence of the potential harm of myocarditis, most worryingly the frequency, especially following the second dose. The latest CDC data reports elevated rates of post-vaccination myocarditis for boys aged 12-15, 2.5-24 times higher in the seven days after first dose and 24-228 times higher in the seven days after second dose.

So, whilst the absolute risks are still low they cannot be described as trivial and the absolute risk from COVID-19 to healthy children is negligible. Additionally, the vaccines stop neither infection nor transmission and many children will have broad and robust natural immunity following infection. I’m afraid the mass vaccination of healthy children is not based in sound evidence. It is time for the JCVI, the CMO and the Government to reassess all the evidence now available and alter its recommendation accordingly.

Prof Taylor appeared on GB News this morning to discuss the letter – watch it here.

This is an important intervention by lawmakers and eminent scientists and medics that deserves to be taken seriously by Government. I hope the JCVI, Chris Whitty, Sajid Javid and others involved in making these decisions are listening.

Here is the letter with the signatories in full.


January 2022

To Members of the Joint Committee on Vaccines and Immunisation,

Re: Review of Child Vaccination Programme

On September 3rd 2021 the JCVI advised against recommending the mass vaccination of healthy 12-15-year-olds against COVID-19. The principal reason given for this was that, while the known benefits and harms from vaccination to this age group were both very small, the Committee was concerned about the unknown potential harms of the new vaccine, particularly the long-term and possibly serious risks of myocarditis. The JCVI estimated that for every one million 12-15-year-olds vaccinated with two doses, 2.54 ICU admissions would be avoided and up to 51 cases of myocarditis caused. Subsequently, the risk of myocarditis and other adverse events has been shown to be greater than believed by the JCVI at the time.

The Government referred the matter to the CMO, asking him to consider the ‘wider benefits’ to children of vaccination. On September 13th 2021 Professor Chris Whitty recommended that one dose of the vaccine be given to healthy 12-15-year-olds on the basis that it would possibly provide ‘marginal benefits’, specifically in reducing the time spent out of school as a result of Covid infection. This was calculated as a saving of, on average, 15 mins of education per child. (This estimate did not take into account disruption even from short term vaccine side effects and is also based on assumptions about the level of protection one dose of the vaccine gives against infection which have proved to be over-optimistic.)

The risk and benefit calculations made by the JCVI and the CMO were based on less complete data on both the harms and benefits of vaccinating children compared to the evidence now available. Four months later, we are in a very different position, with the virulent Delta variant almost completely replaced by the milder Omicron variant. Additionally, society now has a higher level of robust immunity from natural infection than it had when teenage vaccination was approved.

We have seen in recent weeks that Omicron is significantly more infectious than Delta (based on secondary attack rates, it was originally twice as transmissible as Delta, but this has declined to 1.3 times as transmissible as naturally acquired variant-specific immunity to it has risen). Vaccines are also far less effective at stemming the transmission of Omicron, compared to Delta (protection appears to fall to zero, three months after vaccination).

More data have emerged about the frequency of harmful side effects of Covid vaccination. One study found that for males under 40, risk of myocarditis was up to 14 times higher after vaccination than after infection (101 cases after the Moderna second dose, compared to seven cases after infection). It is particularly important to note that the risks of myocarditis in young men and boys seems to increase significantly after a second dose of the vaccine – which is why Chief Medical Officer Professor Chris Whitty initially recommended just one dose be given to 12-15 year olds – and yet we are now offering second doses to children, despite the evidence of risk growing.

The risks of adverse events (including but not limited to myocarditis) increase as more doses are given, and any advantages are reduced as vaccine effectiveness in suppressing Omicron transmission decreases (especially given widespread natural immunity). Given that any potential benefits of vaccinating children were calculated to be marginal at best in the first place, we suspect that this margin has not only evaporated but actually reversed in light of the characteristics of the new and dominant Omicron variant and the increase in robust and durable naturally-acquired immunity.

Furthermore, the negligible risks of Covid infection to children have become even more nugatory if, as it appears, Omicron is associated with less severe disease, whereas the benefits of natural infection (rather than vaccination) in terms of longer lasting immunity are becoming more clear.

Unlike the elderly and clinically vulnerable population – for whom the potentially life-saving benefits of vaccination substantially outweigh any risks from vaccination – our children face no such threat from COVID-19 yet have 50 or more years of healthy life expectancy ahead of them that could be compromised by long-term vaccine harms. It is crucial that, if we are to proceed with the mass double vaccination of healthy children, we are absolutely certain that this policy will do more good than harm. Furthermore, we need to give consideration to what precedent is being set for triple or even continuous and regular vaccination for this age group.

We believe that the benefit to risk ratio of child vaccination should be reassessed in light of the Omicron variant and new evidence on both vaccine harms and superior natural immunity. We urge the JCVI to review this new evidence and provide updated advice to the Government with regards to the mass vaccination of healthy 12-15 year olds.

Yours sincerely,

Miriam Cates MP

Steve Brine MP

Thomas Coke, the Earl of Leicester

Philip Davies MP

Richard Drax MP

Baroness Foster of Oxton

Marcus Fysh MP

Paul Girvan MP

Chris Green MP

Mark Jenkinson MP

Pauline Latham MP

Karl McCartney MP

Rt Hon Esther McVey MP

Lord Moonie

Dr Andrew Murrison MP

Greg Smith MP

Graham Stringer MP

Sir Desmond Swayne MP

Derek Thomas MP

Sammy Wilson MP

William Wragg MP

Dr David Bell, Public Health Physician, formerly working on infectious diseases for the WHO

Professor Anthony Brookes, Genomics and Health Data Scientist, University of Leicester

Dr Iona Heath CBE, president of the Royal College of General Practitioners (2009 to 2012)

Professor Marilyn James, Health Economics, University of Nottingham

Dr John Lee, Retired Professor of Pathology

Professor David Livermore, Medical Microbiology, University of East Anglia

Professor David Paton, Industrial Economics, University of Nottingham

Professor Allyson Pollock, Clinical Professor of Public Health, Institute of Health and Society, Newcastle University

Dr Gerry Quinn, Biomedical Sciences, University of Ulster

Dr Roland Salmon, MRCGP, FFPH, former Director of the Communicable Disease Surveillance Centre (Wales)

Professor Brent Taylor, Professor Emeritus of Community Child Health, UCL Great Ormond Street Institute of Child Health

Professor Philip Thomas, Risk Management, Visiting Academic Professor, University of Bristol

Professor John Watkins, Epidemiology, Cardiff University

Stop Press: Good coverage of the letter in the Sunday Express.

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pennine
pennine
4 years ago

Great News Indeed!!!

London Met Police Set To Investigate The Midazolam Murders

https://www.thebernician.net/london-met-police-set-to-investigate-the-midazolam-murders/

LonePatriot
LonePatriot
4 years ago

Reuters reporting Japan is at 1% of its COVID peak cases and falling. India is at 3% of its peak and falling. What did these countries do? Ditch vaccine mandates for ivermectin. Since April 28, India medical officials started providing hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin to its massive population. As India is the major pharmaceutical manufacturer in the world, they were ready for this massive drug distribution. MIRACULOUSLY!, COVID cases have plummeted quickly since then. Meanwhile, all “first world” countries in Europe are reporting a rise in cases. Get your ivermectin before it is too late! https://ivmpharmacy.com

Newman20
Newman20
4 years ago

No doubt these eminently sensible individuals will be pilloried by our tyrannical government and its fellow travellers in the MSM.

Still, it is somewhat encouraging to see Tory MPs railing against the nonsense that we’ve been subjected to since March 2020.

RS
RS
4 years ago

Absolutely they should be stopped for children. For adults it should be a matter of choice – with no mandates, no coercion, no vaccine passes.
A thought: what’s the difference between an anti-vaxxer and a pro-vaxxer? An anti-vaxxer is someone who is selective in which vaccines they take. A pro-vaxxer is someone who is selective in which vaccines they take.
There are currently vaccines for 39 different diseases. I can’t imagine there is anyone on this planet who has had all 39 vaccines. Therefore everyone is selective as to which choices they make. There is absolutely no reason that everyone should have the same medication.

Idris
Idris
4 years ago

Does this make these MPs and scientists anti vaxxers???? Those campaigning outside schools to stop this madness months ago were labelled this.

Ruth Learner
Ruth Learner
4 years ago

The deep divers (Corbett, Unlimited Hangout et al.) have been predicting a coordinated effort to roll back narrative without losing too much face…ie avoiding criminal charges …this is another such effort. Many said by April this year the Covid narratuve would be done but the agenda pushed into, say, ‘climate change’… Omicron is the end of this line. for real analysis see https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/the-covid-narrative-has-officially-collapsed-but-that-does-not-mean-the-agenda-has-been-stopped/

Trish
Trish
4 years ago

I think this should be dated January 2022

Suzyv
Suzyv
4 years ago

They don’t care about the risks of these vaccines, for children or for anyone else. They are under instructions to get what’s in them into as many people as possible. And the digital id’s will not get off the ground if a sizeable proportion of people are not injected.

Brett_McS
Brett_McS
4 years ago

No, vaccinate everyone! We must eliminate the control group!

HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
4 years ago

We talked to a lot of school children yesterday at our Rebels at Roundabouts about just this. They were shocked and we were shocked at the diabolical lies they’d been told to manipulate them into taking the jabs. One of groups, all bar one, had so far refused to get vaccinated.

amanuensis
amanuensis
4 years ago

Is there a website/location to find this letter other than of the DS?

Catee
Catee
4 years ago

Before anyone can complete a full risk assessment the MHRA will first have to produce a report on the adverse reactions and deaths from the clotshots. Something they have failed to do to date….. “adverse reactions are extremely rare” isn’t going to cut it.

Menckenitis
Menckenitis
4 years ago

///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
/ STAY UNVACCINATED > PROTECT THE NHS > SAVE LIVES /
///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

ElSabio
ElSabio
4 years ago
Reply to  Menckenitis

Looking forward to closing out 2022 as well…

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Liz F
Liz F
4 years ago

I wonder how Carrie feels about potentially having to jab Wilfred and baby Romy?

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  Liz F

Eager. She took the jab while pregnant with Boris no 7/8. It has not crossed her mind that that was risky.

TC
TC
4 years ago

Do they, the JCVI, know how many children have died/ been seriously injured by the vaxxes?
Is that causing a rethink (panic scuttle to cover backsides) or am I being too harsh and paranoid?

sophie123
sophie123
4 years ago
Reply to  TC

I would hope they are having another go, as the weight of evidence builds.

Backlash
Backlash
4 years ago
Reply to  TC

The whole insane scramble to get Pfizer into every arm they can is all about removing the control group that hasn’t had it. That’s because it is causing massive problems.

ElSabio
ElSabio
4 years ago

This paragraph, taken from an article written about yesterday’s farcical hearing in the US Supreme Court, sums up perfectly our present predicament – substitute politicians and government advisors for lawyers and you get the picture….

What absolutely cannot happen in any free, civilized, and stable country is to have such fundamental questions of liberty and bodily autonomy adjudicated by a panel of lawyers who have limited curiosity in the science, a lack of knowledge of facts on the ground that are available to anyone who cares, and who get their basic facts about a pandemic from TV talk shows and a prevailing media ethos that has no basis in reality. (My bold)

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/get-courts-out-science

TC
TC
4 years ago

I always thought the JVI did a Pontius Pilate in September.
Well, let’s see if a second go works.

timsk
timsk
4 years ago

A must watch/read – please share far and wide . . .
The Pfizer Inoculations For COVID-19 – More Harm Than Good – VIDEO
​The Pfizer Inoculations For COVID-19 – More Harm Than Good – pdf

The links above are to a group calling itself the ‘Canadian Covid Care Alliance’ (CCCA). The video is professionally produced and the links (in the pdf) support all the assertions made. Most of the claims that the vaccines cause serious adverse reactions, including death, are based on the VAERS reporting system in the U.S. and the Yellow Card reporting system here in the U.K. By contrast, what the CCCA highlight is that Pfizer’s own trial data clearly shows that the vaccines cause more harm than good, which means that governments and their agencies (i.e. UKHSA, MHRA and JCVI here in the U.K.) must also be aware of this. Yet, they rubber stamped the roll out of the vaccine anyway. Unbelievable! At best, this makes them completely incompetent and not fit for purpose and, at worst, guilty of crimes against humanity.

As I say – please share far and wide!

John001
John001
4 years ago
Reply to  timsk

It’s excellent, I’ve watched it.

vivaldi
vivaldi
4 years ago
Reply to  timsk

The trial data now has to be fully released by the end of the next 8 months and interim report on progress is due (expected) by April 2022. The Federal Court ordered that timescale on account of the FDA being able to assimilate all the data from Pfizer and pronounce the ‘vaccines’ ready to be used on populations.

Niborxof
Niborxof
4 years ago

Encouraging from Eugyppius. A most excellent source. https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/wendepunkt?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

ElSabio
ElSabio
4 years ago
Reply to  Niborxof

LOL! Good link.

Meanwhile, in Austria, the thrice-vaccinated chancellor Karl Nehammer has tested positive for Corona. The news comes as Austria announces they will delay implementing their vaccine mandate by two months. It will now take effect in April, if at all.

You can’t make this up.

artfelix
artfelix
4 years ago

At least when the law suits start the doctors and scientists and politicians cannot claim that there was no way they could have known about the risk. They were told, they ignored it, and the rest is on them.

Bolloxed Britannia
Bolloxed Britannia
4 years ago

“End cov vax of children because risks outweigh benefits”…FFS! At the height of the plandemic that had negligible excess adjusted all cause mortaliy, i think I’m correct in stating that only 9 children with no comorbidities died OF covid, even that number is open to debate! It has never been right, ethical or scientific to vaccinate children against a “virus” that leaves them fundamentally unefected and has a 99.7% recovery rate for the vast majority! These are very very dark times indeed, i wont get into the conspiracy FACTS, i think we’re all aware of the future that awaits if these Satanic F#ckers are successful.
In 1984 Regan signed the NCVI act into law and started the gold rush without legal consequences for big pharma and it’s malevolant investors…The rest is history!

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago

Johnson will announce “more mumbo jumbo from anti-vaxxers” and tell them that Jesus still wants them and their children to be vaxxed.

Will
Will
4 years ago

Anyone who chose to “vaccinate” their child up to this point needed a talking to. Anyone who chooses to do it now, with Omicron the dominant mutation, needs to be sectioned. It Is Over!!!!

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  Will

Sectioned? No, arrested and charged with wilful child abuse.

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Will

Like the woman in USA who put her covid infected child into the boot of her car and locked it so that she wouldn’t fail her covid test

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  Milo

Smart little guy banged n hollered when she stopped for gas.

Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
4 years ago

Kim Jong-Johnson said he must continue with his program of absolute pish because he must do the maximum possible damage, him being a great fat communist fraud.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago

That sums it up! ( Not to mention his family association with International Banking and well know eugenicists)

Was it 15 million you had in mind as the ideal population for the UK Stanley?

when will the world wake up
when will the world wake up
4 years ago

Is anybody able to share a link to the actual document?

Trish
Trish
4 years ago

That would be good

amanuensis
amanuensis
4 years ago

It is clearly now ‘allowed’ to directly criticise the government’s covid response.

We’re getting closer to the end-game.

JaneDoeNL
JaneDoeNL
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

How I hope you’re right! The Dutch municipal health authorities (they have primary responsibility for handing out the jabs) have said today they are preparing a 4th vaxx roll-out in May/June and a 5th one in October/November. I suppose it would be amusing to see the typical rise in post-vaxx corona infections in early summer limited to NL, if other countries do not hand out another dose at the same time.

If Johnson truly wishes to model himself on Churchill, now is the time. The UK can save Europe from itself again – if England stays open and does better than Wales and Scotland, if vaxxes are not mandated, if life goes back to normal, there is enough opposition in Europe to seize on that and point out that we all can.

The Dutch cabinet is keeping us in a worse lockdown than the rest of Europe purely and alone to force through its 2g BS (ignoring the fact that Germany now has 2g+ = recovered/vaxxed PLUS tested – surely just a test should be enough for everyone then?), Germany still wants to mandate vaxxes. Let Johnson be the Ron de Santis of Europe – if he has the spine.

amanuensis
amanuensis
4 years ago
Reply to  JaneDoeNL

I note that the Dutch parliament (note, not the government) has just called for an investigation into excess mortality in the country over the last 12 months.

Perhaps a reckoning is coming.

Paul B
Paul B
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

They’ll have to rename it “Londholm syndrome” at that point.

ElSabio
ElSabio
4 years ago
Reply to  JaneDoeNL

If Johnson truly wishes to model himself on Churchill… and not on Nicolae Ceausescu… now is the time.

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DJ Dod
DJ Dod
4 years ago
Reply to  JaneDoeNL

I suspect that if Boris gets life in England back to normal before the rest of the UK and mainland Europe he could still emerge from this fiasco as a hero – despite inflicting 2 years of dystopian misery on the nation!

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  DJ Dod

so was that the plan when Gove was despatched to lecture the devolved govts in early December, resulting in all 3 of them dialling up the restrictions and bringing in vaxx passports, so that in England the PM could threaten it, and then not do it just so that he could POSITION himself to seem to lead Europe out of the whole fiasco.

Talk about playing politics with people’s lives and livelihoods and life chances. IF that was what underlies this then it is utterly despicable.

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  DJ Dod

I’d rather have 20 more years in this hell but see him brought to justice.

He won’t bring life back to normal because he could have chosen to do so long ago.

huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
4 years ago
Reply to  DJ Dod

Not a bloody chance.

Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago
Reply to  DJ Dod

Without the government interfering in our lives for the last two years. Boris is a born and bred eugenicist and he bears the major responsibility for inflicting the ongoing hell upon the British people. He could have told the globalists to get lost, but no he was all too ready to be a player in the deadly Covid scam.

Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  JaneDoeNL

England is already doing better than Gulag Wales, if you attach any importance to the bogus case rates.

Marcus Aurelius knew
Marcus Aurelius knew
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

Or just three steps forward for them, followed by two steps back, three steps forward, two steps back…

ElSabio
ElSabio
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

We’re getting closer to the end-game.

Tiddlywinks or hopscotch? This current bunch certainly can’t play chess.

(Agree with your sentiment, though.)

timsk
timsk
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

Hi amanuensis,
In your view, what is the ‘end-game’, what does it look like and what form does it take?

Also, if you felt so inclined, I’d be very interested in your views about the video produced by the Canadian Covid Care Alliance – a link to which I’ve posted in my other comment to this thread. Your analytical mind will spot any flaws in their argument – if there are any. To my mind, it’s very well produced, logical and difficult to dispute. But I don’t have your skills – so I might be overlooking something!
😉

Newman20
Newman20
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

I’m not a vindictive person, but hopefully the end of all of this nonsense will see certain individuals in government, medicine and the media behind bars where they belong.

mishmash
mishmash
4 years ago

“our children face no such threat from COVID-19 yet have 50 or more years of healthy life expectancy ahead of them that could be compromised by long-term vaccine harms.”

Big pharma:
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BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  mishmash

In an ideal world, the mass arrest, shaming, punishment, and expropriation of these human specimens would be televised, cheered, and celebrated.

One day.

GlassHalfFull
GlassHalfFull
4 years ago

Ending childhood jabs would be the start of dismantling the whole Covid scam.

Boris Johnson, like all politicians, must see the electoral benefit of eliminating restrictions as it is a vote winner.

If he doesn’t it will confirm he is a bigger puppet of the Global Elite than we originally thought.

BS665
BS665
4 years ago
Reply to  GlassHalfFull

It’s funny old world: a politician responsible for the torture of millions, ready to end that torture SO THAT THOSE MILLIONS CAN VOTE FOR HIM…once again!

Moderate Radical
Moderate Radical
4 years ago

This is staggering:

Analysis of life-years lost in England shows a 76% increase in 2021 over 2020 because younger people are dying at much higher relative rates.

‘To compound the findings of baby mortality, we don’t see that pattern at all in the 1 to 9 year olds (Figures 4 and 5). I’m a big fan of Occam’s razor. 1 to 9 year olds were not vaccinated but babies born in 2021 to vaccinated mothers effectively were. What would be the implication of that?’

https://metatron.substack.com/p/the-covid-cure-is-worse-than-the

From the comments section of Joel’s article:

Sophocles

‘On the babies, 2020 looks unusually low. Why would babies in 2020 be dying less frequently than expected?

‘Given access to health care was reduced, newborn babies were likely to get considerably less medical attention than usual. Normally you’d take your newborn to a clinic once every few weeks to be weighed etc. Did that happen? You would not expect this to have a positive impact on the health of babies.

‘What babies were NOT getting as regularly & frequently were the usual paediatric vaccinations though. This has been reported by vaccine manufacturers in 2020. Does this indicate that vaccines other than coronavirus ones could account… Read more »

Marcus Aurelius knew
Marcus Aurelius knew
4 years ago

My wife and I have seen this data already and asked the same questions. And wonder we do, about the wisdom of the routine vaccinations we accepted on behalf of our two ragamuffins… 🙁

sophie123
sophie123
4 years ago

Aha that was me 🙃

Moderate Radical
Moderate Radical
4 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

It was an excellent post, Sophie.

Marcus Aurelius knew
Marcus Aurelius knew
4 years ago

Happy to read this, but I do wish the MPs who are fighting this would stop being so effin diplomatic. They know none of this was ever about a virus or public health, so you’d hope they’d also realise that appealing to honesty and reason is a LOST CAUSE.

My recommendations to the MPs? BUILD AN OPPOSITION PARTY, COS WE AIN’T GETTING IT FROM STARMER!

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago

Indeed – they need to get 100 times more assertive and stop pussy- footing meekly around – are you listening Steve Baker?

186NO
186NO
4 years ago

Just so – and may I say your Blog ID namesake would have seen through this charade in a heartbeat – his “thoughts” are revelation, and show me that apart from technology inventions, there is nothing new under the Sun.

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