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Australia and New Zealand’s Zero-Covid Dilemma

by Toby Young
19 August 2021 11:25 AM

We’re publishing an original piece today by a senior executive at a pharmaceutical company setting out the choices facing Australia and New Zealand. Thanks to their misguided pursuit of zero-Covid, there are no good options. Here is the opening section:

There is a moment in one of the Mad Max films where Max and his band of tagalongs have successfully escaped from their pursuers and are striking out through the post-apocalyptic Outback in search of The Safe Place, a haven of security where they hope to live out their lives in peace. After much struggle, they crest the top of an enormous dune only to see an endless desert stretching out beyond the horizon. It is as this point that the true nature of their predicament becomes clear; do they continue on alone into the unending sea of sand in what may be the forlorn hope of reaching The Safe Place, or do they stay where they are until their pursuers inevitably catch up with them, or do they turn around and head back into danger but to somewhere where they know there is water and shelter?

In many ways, this is an apt metaphor for the situation Australia and New Zealand now find themselves in with respect to Covid. Having apparently successfully escaped from the pandemic, what should they do now? Do they plough on in the hope of reaching some kind of Safe Place, which may or may not exist, or do they instead attempt to re-join the rest of the world?

Worth reading in full.

Tags: AustraliaNew ZealandZero-Covid

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A Heretic
A Heretic
3 years ago

with no virus in the country why should someone take the risk of an adverse event to be vaccinated against something that they will almost certainly not encounter and so cannot catch?

I guess we should expect no less from a pharma shill but why should anyone even in places of high prevalance take a vaccine that is not a vaccine and is certainly not tested for a disease that in the majority of cases is a lower risk than the supposed miracle cure?

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago
Reply to  A Heretic

The only realistic scenario is not disease elimination but one in which the virus mutates into an ‘acceptably deadly’ form which could take decades or centuries – if not longer – if ever.

This is the key and always has been. This madness ends when and only when society is no longer frightened by the disease and accepts living with it. Until that happens we are condemned to health surveillance hell with the all the vaccines, testing, restrictions, isolations, vaxports and whatever other indignities the sadistic minds of the technocrats that now rule us think up.

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SweetBabyCheeses
SweetBabyCheeses
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

People will always be afraid of death though. Covid is not unique at causing death, nor even particularly adept at causing it, but it’s the first time that a lot of people have had a wake-up call that we won’t all die of “old age”.

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wendy
wendy
3 years ago
Reply to  SweetBabyCheeses

Yes it is the loss from people’s minds that we will all die. Death now seems to be unacceptable and technology will sort it out. I know it’s hard to live our lives knowing there is an end but it is inevitable and we must somehow accept this and perhaps try to appreciate the day to day small pleasures of being alive

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RW
RW
3 years ago
Reply to  wendy

Why should this be hard? You’re not going to witness your own death and you won’t have any trouble with it afterwards.

NB: The not entirely unrealistic probability that you (or I) end up the clutchtes of the so-called health system and being operated for the fun of it until death occurs, spending the last months or days in misery in a seriously unpleasant environment would be another conversation. I’ve known people who had this happening to them because their spouses simply wouldn’t accept that death might happen when there’s something the medics still haven’t tried.

OTOH, two authors I very much appreciate died peacefully at home after long and fullfilling lifes from a respiratory infection (in the first half of the 20th century). That doesn’t look the Corona fear porn movies which have been making rounds since last year.

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  RW

There’s a reason pneumonia was known as “the old man’s friend”.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
3 years ago
Reply to  RW

‘You’re not going to witness your own death’. Unless you die in your sleep or under anaesthesia or some sort of coma or other form of altered consciousness, you will certainly experience dying; whether we experience our actual death or not is something we have no way of knowing. However, I take your point. The fear of death is often caused by a failure to embrace the stoical view that ‘when we are, death is not; when death is, we are not.’

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RW
RW
3 years ago
Reply to  Cranmer

I will certainly not experience dying. This is simply impossible, because in order to experience something, I must be alive and this implies that I won’t now for how much longer I’ll stay alive.

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Epi
Epi
3 years ago
Reply to  SweetBabyCheeses

“we won’t all die of “old age”.

Actually a lot die after they should have shuffled off this mortal coil. Isn’t the average age of death from/with Covid higher than the average age of death per se?

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Cranmer
Cranmer
3 years ago
Reply to  Epi

Conclusion: Covid makes you live longer.

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arfurmo
arfurmo
3 years ago
Reply to  A Heretic

I don’t understand why you have called him a shill
1. a person who poses as a customer in order to decoy others into participating, as at a gambling house.
2. a person whose praises, endorsements, etc., are motivated by self-interest.
v.i.
Neither definitions seem to apply here.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

possibly he’s thinking a “?senior executive at pharmaceutical company ” might have some self-interest in their attempt to re-join the rest of the world by using his pharmaceuticals ?

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A Heretic
A Heretic
3 years ago
Reply to  arfurmo

you don’t think there’s self interest in a senior pharma-executive promoting his wares?

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sophie123
sophie123
3 years ago
Reply to  A Heretic

Not all Pharma companies are making covid vaccines or treatments. Hard to believe from what you read here, but it’s a minority of them.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago

Unfortunately this type of article simply perpetuates the Covid lie.

What is happening is the Reset. C1984 is just one, the first, of the mechanisms being employed to achieve Reset. Next up will be the Global Warming Scam.

Covid is a cover for the Reset and the deadly injections are being employed to facilitate that.

This has nothing to do with a fake “pandemic.”

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GCarty80
GCarty80
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Global warming caused by CO2 is real: what’s fake are the computer models with positive feedback mechanisms inserted to turn a relatively small increase in temperatures into an apocalypse. And doesn’t the fact that the people screaming loudest about climate change mostly oppose nuclear energy, show that they see it not as an environmental hazard to be dealt with as we deal with other environmental hazards, but rather as a convenient Malthusian gun which they can point at humanity?

I suspect another way in which the ruling elites have sought to spread misanthropy in the general population is with game shows. In 1999 one of the most popular was “Who Wants To Be A Millionaire?” — when you watch that you identify with the contestant and want them to win. Since 2000 though game shows have been increasingly about eliminating people: it probably started with The Weakest Link, but don’t Big Brother, The X Factor etc all follow the same elimination model?

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milesahead
milesahead
3 years ago
Reply to  GCarty80

‘Global warming caused by CO2 is real’.

Nope, it isn’t (the sun is the major driver of climate change). The climate has always changed and we’re probably heading for a sustained cool period.

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago

“So, while Covid has raged around the world, within the walls of these antipodean fortresses people have remained largely untouched by SARS-CoV-2 and Covid.”

Although, of course, they have been massively touched by the incontinent mass hysteria generated politically.

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
3 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Untouched by economic problems, depression, isolation, fear because their leaders are crazed tyrants?

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kaya3
kaya3
3 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Which idiot made that comment? I live on one of these fortresses. Believe me, any of us with functioning brain cells knew this could never last and we were living in fantasy land with our fingers in our ears singing “lalalalalalalala”.
The longer we went without covid, the worse it was going to be when it came. Like a financial bubble in every respect. This will destroy the minds of the fools living here who genuinely thought we were “special”. Ardern is wholly responsible, a fraud and a liar. Watch this clip.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/Gav0O0CHbwR9/.

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Carmen B
Carmen B
3 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Many Australians genuinely believe that KungFlu is a deadly threat and support lockdowns and closed borders so they can feel safer (losers). But many know that it is all crap and have enjoyed the borders being closed anyway. Why? Because there have been very large numbers of temporary migrants leaving and not being replaced, which means less pressure on jobs, housing, public transport, etc.

The sh*t is really going to hit the fan when the Morrison Government resumes the mass importation of temporary (and mostly low-skilled) migrants and international students and is seen to privilege them above Australians.

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago

I don’t understand. We have vaccines that we are constantly being told work really well. Give everyone the vaccine and problem solved, surely?

Ask the Israelis. They’ll tell you.

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GCarty80
GCarty80
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

The Israeli data understates the vaccine effectiveness because for the first 3 months they weren’t vaccinating anyone who’d had Covid, and even after that they were only giving them one dose.

This meant that unvaccinated Israelis are disproportionately likely to have natural immunity.

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jingleballix
jingleballix
3 years ago

Next week in Sydney – with mums and dads confined to their homes – the Australian state will round up 24,000 school-kids and take them to the former Olympic Stadium in Homebush……and jab them.

The consent of mums and dads is irrelevant, and just in case any disobey the confinement laws and try and prevent this or protect their kids, Homebush will be surrounded by road-blocks and the stadium policed to the max to stop them getting anywhere near.

Hazzard the health secretary says that the police will be there to ‘guide them through’ and ‘smooth’ things and that parents have no reason to worry.

My mate in Turramurra says, ‘Everything’s pretty normal really, plenty of people at the beach the other day’.

Fuckmydog……kids being rounded up and taken to a footy stadium with police escort to be injected with an (at best) unreliable medicine and at worst potentially very damaging one……is ‘pretty normal’.

Does the Australian government have any idea what this makes them look like? Like Chinese criminals being taken to soccer ground to be executed, or perhaps farm animals rounded up for the slaughterhouse.

Never mind, no doubt the well-heeled liberals in Eastern Suburbs and North Shore think it’s OK if someone else’s little Bruce or Raelene or Mohammed keels over with a brain bleed.

What has happened to Australia? What has happened to the Western world?

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago
Reply to  jingleballix

Even if the jabs were 100% effective and efficient, this would be an atrocity.

What has happened to the western world is that most people in the western world don’t really understand that statement.

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Gregoryno6
Gregoryno6
3 years ago
Reply to  jingleballix

Hazzard should have stopped when he called covid ‘the most potent virus we’ve probably had on earth’. He only looked foolish then; now, he’s flat-out monstrous.

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kaya3
kaya3
3 years ago
Reply to  Gregoryno6

Here’s the ahole in action.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlZgvY-zHIc&t=307s

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
3 years ago
Reply to  jingleballix

Yeah. They’re in the territory of digging holes to hide their children in, as Jewish children hid in occupied lands.
Better for Sydney’s leaders that they were thrown into the sea…

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sophie123
sophie123
3 years ago
Reply to  jingleballix

Is this serious? 24k kids = 3-6 cases of myocarditis (half boys, 1 in 3-6k impacted). Who is ok with that?!

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  jingleballix

A coup d’etat by Big Pharma/global elite who didn’t want to risk a re-run of 2016? (See also the rigged Beijing Bidden election).

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kaya3
kaya3
3 years ago
Reply to  jingleballix

You want to see how bad this really is? Watch Hazzard bully and harangue, avoid questions and make sure his Health advisor isn’t allowed to speak at an inquiry. She looks like a battered housewife. Astonishing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlZgvY-zHIc&t=307s

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Susan
Susan
3 years ago
Reply to  jingleballix

“When men chose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing, they then become capable of believing in anything.” Chesterton

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flyingjohn
flyingjohn
3 years ago
Reply to  jingleballix

Australia is over. It is now a Police State, shut off from the world with Martial Law.

And Australia citizens deserve it. They have allowed their country to become North Korea. We were planning to visit family this year. We will never go there again, ever. The country is lost.

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Gregoryno6
Gregoryno6
3 years ago

It’s not about the ‘no immediate benefit’ problem for me. I simply won’t buy into the ‘vax or lockdown’ choice.
Both are very bad ideas. The only difference between them is that lockdowns are further along than vaccines and we can now see with some clarity what a truly hellish price we are paying for them. The toll that will be imposed by the vaccines will be rising for years to come.

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago
Reply to  Gregoryno6

“ I simply won’t buy into the ‘vax or lockdown’ choice.”

You’re right. Although we should continue to push the data aspect, the primary issue is that this is a red line. Keep it simple : you are either on the side of Mengele and assorted fascists. Or you’re not.

You can claim fear, practically and gullibility. But it won’t excuse you : there’s the line, and it won’t move.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
3 years ago
Reply to  Gregoryno6

In sales training it’s called the ‘false choice’ – ie, ‘would sir like the car in red or blue’ rather than ‘would sir like the car?’

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milesahead
milesahead
3 years ago

So, while Covid has raged around the world, within the walls of these antipodean fortresses people have remained largely untouched by SARS-CoV-2 and Covid.”

Well, apart from the suicides, the bankruptcies, the relationship break-ups, the increased incidence of depression, it’s all been wonderful!

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Al T
Al T
3 years ago
Reply to  milesahead

Exactly. Hardly ‘untouched’ when at any moment your government can shut down your life, remove the rights your ancestors created and fought for and place you under virtual house arrest.

Australia and NZ have painted themselves into a corner. Exasapated by the worldwide press lionising their tyrannical leaders for ‘keeping their people safe’.

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kaya3
kaya3
3 years ago
Reply to  Al T

Excellent assessment of the current situation. Ardern in particular thrives in the limelight, ever since the Christchurch shootings. She is an utterly failed politician when it comes to real problems in the country. She virtue signals, hugs and tells everyone to :”be kind” and that is the sum of her ability.

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Gregoryno6
Gregoryno6
3 years ago
Reply to  milesahead

It really is a mindfuck, visiting sites like Daily Sceptic learning about the situation elsewhere – Israel, particularly – and then listening to Morrison and the premiers blather on as if it’s happening in a different galaxy.

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Carmen B
Carmen B
3 years ago
Reply to  Gregoryno6

Agree completely. I learn so much here, then listen to the craven witterings of my brain-dead colleagues and wonder when they lost their ability to assess evidence, judge risk, and do their own research. It’s completely bizarre.

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago

Successfully escaped? When they shriek with terror at one positive test? And the population has been brutally locked down? And no one has had the chance to develop any natural immunity? Talk about out of the frying pan into the fire.

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Laurence_R
Laurence_R
3 years ago

For anyone outside big pharma, it’s obvious that Oz and NZ _can_ square the circle, if they only accept that drugs exist for prophylaxis and treatment: Ivermectin, HCQ+Zinc, etc, and also that supplements like vitamin D can reduce the risk.
Maybe a U-turn on treatments would be political suicide for certain ‘leaders’ down under, but that’s better (at least for the population) than medical suicide, and I think our antipodean cousins would benefit from losing some of their more totalitarian politicians.

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kaya3
kaya3
3 years ago
Reply to  Laurence_R

You are totally correct, but the problem now in NZ is Ardern has dug the hole too deep and won’t reverse position. She has now approved vaccines for 12-17 year olds. She has made mask wearing mandatory everywhere and she is increasing the pressure on people to get jabbed. She will keep turning the screws. We’ve already seen video of people being refused entry to supermarkets by police for not wearing a mask, even when they have exemption. It is becoming a fascist state.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
3 years ago
Reply to  kaya3

Reminds me of the 1977 film Sleeping Dogs, the first major film made in NZ, about the imposition of a fascist state following a trade embargo.

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago

The dilemma is political rather than medical, surely?

It’s been established that trying to suppress covid doesn’t work and the vaccines don’t seem to make much difference to that.

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MichaelM
MichaelM
3 years ago

My understanding is that there are a number of “early treatment protocols” (involving a number of re-purposed drugs, including ivermectin, hydrochloroquine, etc) which are effective at preventing and treating covid. Why is this never mentioned as part of the solution?

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RW
RW
3 years ago
Reply to  MichaelM

That’s because of an inhuman ideology called prevention is better than cure.

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milesahead
milesahead
3 years ago
Reply to  MichaelM

Because that would mean that the emergency use authorisation for the jabs would have to be ended! Can’t have that!

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Susan
Susan
3 years ago
Reply to  MichaelM

Effective treatments are never mentioned because they negate the need for vaccines and boosters. Most people are totally unaware that there Are such treatments.

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Brett_McS
Brett_McS
3 years ago

The way out is obvious: emphasize treatments instead of vaccines and remove all restrictions. But then the Pharma companies would be angry. Can’t have that.

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Uncle Monty
Uncle Monty
3 years ago

Kiwis and Aussies all caught ‘Covid’ during their winter in July / August 2019.
The disease was still called by its maiden name ‘flu’ back then though.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/four-times-as-many-aucklanders-suffering-from-flu-like-symptoms/QQQSS6FWUU6VZ6A5JNQSQZYT5A/

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-18/influenza-spike-may-be-climate-related/11406980

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago
Reply to  Uncle Monty

That last headline is interesting. Climate causes Civid. Or possibly vice versa.

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago

“The only realistic scenario is not disease elimination but one in which the virus mutates into an ‘acceptably deadly’ form which could take decades or centuries – if not longer – if ever.”

FFS! Covid was already “acceptably deadly” by the time it arrived in Europe, by any sane standard, and it’s only gotten less dangerous since. It’s only by the fear-warped standards of the coronapanic hysteria – that his industry undoubtedly played a large part in creating and disseminating – that it is regarded as anything more than a bad flu.

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RW
RW
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

I’m still convinced that an important part of the underlying problem is that it’s also an atypic flu, ie, some people who never got a real flu (and presumably, spent years making jokes about men flu etc) got one for the first time in their lives and went into shrieking hysteria when discovering that this is indeed a pretty nasty illness and not a joke.

NB: That’s obviously a conspiracy theory :-).

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Cranmer
Cranmer
3 years ago
Reply to  RW

Excellent point. I’ve had flu twice in my life and it was dreadful – the second time, it lasted a month and I had to have friends get shopping in for me.

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helenf
helenf
3 years ago

The author still seems to think this is about a virus! Australia and NZ have very successfully been turned into dictatorships, and their dictators have absolutely no intention of giving up their power over the plebs.

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RW
RW
3 years ago
Reply to  helenf

Left-leaning politicians in Australia and New Zealand have implemented a ludicrous public health strategy on recommendation of an international body of disease eradication experts whose usual performance is such that almost all diseases they tried to eradicate are still with us. The effective outcome of that is turning so-called liberal democracies into totalitarian police states while the strategy happily fails to achieve what it always fails to achieve but that’s a minor inconvenience. Polls suggest it’ll win votes.

Never underestimate human idiocy.

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago
Reply to  helenf

Trouble is, the plebs don’t want them to.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago

As the fear of a virus was eventually going to lead to Global ID, it appears that they’ve jumped a few queues and will be eager to embrace any sort of ID to rid themselves of this virus. Because having your details recorded every time you move will keep the virus away, of course.

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Pavlov Bellwether
Pavlov Bellwether
3 years ago

Zero Covid = Zero brain cells and Zero humanity. “Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the universe.” (Albert Einstein)
Useful information, resources and links: https://www.LCAHub.org/

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artfelix
artfelix
3 years ago

Nothing to see here

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tom171uk
tom171uk
3 years ago

In summary, the Aussies and Kiwis are disappearing up their own arseholes.

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I am Spartacas
I am Spartacas
3 years ago

No mention of Sweden, Florida and Texas etc.

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Phil Shannon
Phil Shannon
3 years ago

I’m rooting for Delta! The more infectious the variant, the better. It will spread like an Aussie bushfire but with none of the damage because the more infectious the variant, the less virulent – which is the evolutionary principle behind virus mutation. As the Delta ‘cases’ climb into the hundreds per day, even some of the Zero Covid state Premiers are starting to concede that eliminating the virus is impossible (New South Wales’ crazed lockdown addict, Gladys Berejiklian, has said as much, at least twice now).

Yes, it means “swallowing a lot of political pride in bringing their populations with them” but these are politicians, after all, who ability to do a reverse policy ferrett is exquisitely honed. Their climb down from Zero Covid lunacy will be predicated on replacing ‘cases’ with deaths and hospitalisations as the key metrics.

Of course, this development will be contingent on the Covid ‘vaccine’ rollout (aided by the Vaccine Passport ‘persuader’). The national aim is 80% of adults (aged 16+) double-jabbed but even then, the official policy is that “highly targeted lockdowns only” will be deployed.  In Western Australia, Premier Mark McGowan has said that he is willing to enforce a lockdown of Perth even after the magic 80% threshold is reached.
There is still a long way to go in rehab for Australia’s political class. Until then, we remain manacled and muzzled by lockdowns and masks.

Britain should consider itself the ‘Lucky Country’, now. Your EPL games would be cancelled or played in empty stadia if our lot were in charge of you. I can’t believe I’m about to write this but count your blessings for having Boris as PM – the one thing he got right (and it’s the only thing) was to reject the siren call of the British Zero Covid nutters.

Phil
South Australia

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Annie
Annie
3 years ago
Reply to  Phil Shannon

Yes, there are worse Covid joycamps than Britain and (gulp) worse politicians than Bozo – or even (bigger gulp) Dungford – though that isn’t saying much and evil is still rampant here.
I do hope Australia will emerge from the lunacy. Then you can sit back and watch NZ pour itself down the black hole.

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Cranmer
Cranmer
3 years ago
Reply to  Annie

My mind boggles every time I remember that someone like Drakeford is in charge of even a very small country/principality like Wales. I wouldn’t trust him to run a parish council.

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RW
RW
3 years ago
Reply to  Phil Shannon

I wouldn’t attribute this to Bozo Johnson, still remembering this miserabe press conference when he declared that all rules are abolished now but that people absolutely shouldn’t behave as if this had happened. I strongly suspect that this was the result of two different groups of people stepping strongly onto his toes, namely, members of the so-called governing party pointing out that he may be able to win votes by aligning with Labour but that this doesn’t mean he’ll necessarily remain in number 10, and the SAGEs demanding that – due to an imminent risk of total global apocalypse – everything must remain as it is, and introduction of more restriction must be scheduled for the near future.

I think he sort of tried to please both by doing a reverse crexit in name only.

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Squire Western
Squire Western
3 years ago

Since the governments of both Australia and New Zealand are foolishly committed to a zero Covid policy the more sensible elements of the populace should take matters into their own hands. Anyone in their teens or twenties is at virtually no risk from the disease (as we all know) and should do their best to spread Covid amongst themselves as rapidly as possible. Once their governments are compelled to face the fact that Covid is sufficiently widespread amongst their populations to make eradication impossible they will then be forced to abandon their incredibly damaging zero Covid nonsense, no matter how politically embarrassing.

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Ruth Learner
Ruth Learner
3 years ago

There is so much wrong with this article – where to begin? the basic assumption that Australians and NZ would be overwhelmed by this bad seasonal flu if not locked down is an alien talking – ummm – studies (in particular one from Japan) show v high T cell immunity – and theory is this is spread across Oceania and Asia – why? Because many more circulating corona viruses there. Then there’s vitamin D – which is relatively high due to sunshine and diet… hence lower death numbers across the entire region (relative) – also the high traffic between China and Australia suggests to me c 19 has been swirling around the pop for a long while – I suspect people are generally immune or would be barely affected (except v old and v vulnerable) leading to the utter absurdity of these token lockdowns (but not in their dire effects)… then the vaccine rubbish – first these are emergency authorised phase 3 trial jabs – they have barely any efficacy and even protecting against death is negligible when considering safer treatments are much more effective. Nobody healthy and.under 75 should have these – no long term studies, etc. Australia and NZ are political basket cases – it has nothing to do with a seasonal virus (I lived there for thirty or so years – the only threat was asthma – a much greater killer across all ages) – the isolation obsession is age old – colonies then and now – everything about this comes from extreme mental insecurity and a kind of self loathing. Good luck to them.

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Carmen B
Carmen B
3 years ago
Reply to  Ruth Learner

Many good points. And political basket case is correct, it’s impossible to understate how low-rent, venal and incompetent Australian politicians are.

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GCarty80
GCarty80
3 years ago
Reply to  Ruth Learner

Australia has long been a bit nuts about biosecurity: it’s why when the 1956 Olympics were held in Melbourne, the equestrian events were instead held in (ironically enough) Stockholm, Sweden.

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GCarty80
GCarty80
3 years ago
Reply to  Ruth Learner

One reason why New Zealand adopted a zero-covid approach early on (unlike the Australians who essentially stumbled into such an approach later) is because they have the second-lowest number of ICU beds per capita in the OECD (only Mexico is lower).

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chaos
chaos
3 years ago

Another article attempting to rationalise events… no mention of great reset.. ho hum.

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Martin Frost
Martin Frost
3 years ago

A ray of hope? Australia and NZ’s continued experiment with zero covid and perpetual lockdowns may in time serve as a lesson to the rest of the world in how not to handle future pandemics. I say let them continue with their ludicrous strategy so long as their populations are willing to live in that way. The poor deluded souls.

Last edited 3 years ago by Martin Frost
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SimCS
SimCS
3 years ago

Regarding eradication (zero-covid), that is just not possible for SARS viruses. The BIG difference between SARS and smallpox is that SARS has an animal reservoir, whereas smallpox doesn’t. Smallpox can only reside in humans which is why it was possible to immunize and isolate until eradication had been achieved. With the animal reservoir, it is just not possible to do that for SARS, and the sooner the Australian and NZ govt wallys understand that, the better.

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GCarty80
GCarty80
3 years ago
Reply to  SimCS

How come the original SARS of 2003 was pretty much eradicated then? Or did it just look that way because it’s far less effective at transmitting between humans (for example it doesn’t transmit pre-symptomatically)?

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