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A Response to Dominic Cummings’ Pro-Lockdown Twitter Thread

by Noah Carl
18 May 2021 6:38 PM

Dominic Cummings – director of the Vote Leave campaign and former chief adviser to Boris Johnson – has written a pro-lockdown Twitter thread. However, I don’t find his arguments very convincing. What follows is a point-by-point response.

1/ Covid… Summary evidence on lockdowns. For UK political pundits obsessed with spreading nonsense on Sweden/lockdowns, cf. SW econ did a bit WORSE than Denmark which locked down, AND far more deaths in Sweden:

Not all sources indicate that Sweden did worse than Denmark in terms of GDP growth last year. For example, the IMF gives Sweden’s growth as –2.8% and Denmark’s as –3.3%. In fact, according to the IMF, only a handful of European countries had higher growth than Sweden last year.

It’s true that Denmark has had fewer COVID-19 deaths. However, it’s unlikely that lockdowns account for this difference. During the first wave, Denmark had zero days of mandatory stay-at-home orders, and did not introduce mandatory business closures until March 18th. But the country did introduce border screening on March 4th, followed by a total border closure on March 14th. Hence its success during the first wave is more plausibly due to border controls.

During the second wave, Denmark had about the same level of restrictions as Sweden, and in any case saw a moderate number of deaths. 

More importantly, the argument that “we have to compare Sweden to its neighbours” isn’t very convincing. Sweden’s age-adjusted excess mortality up to week 51 of 2020 was just 1.7% – below the European average. 

The epidemic in Sweden was already more advanced by the time its neighbours locked down. And since lockdowns don’t have much impact unless case numbers are low, locking down probably wouldn’t have made a big difference. What’s more, the Baltics are similar to the Nordics in terms of climate and population density, and once you include them in the comparison, Sweden no longer stands out.

Cumming’s tweet also links to an article by the economist Noah Smith, which argues that “lockdowns were good”. However, Smith doesn’t discuss any of the evidence contradicting his thesis, of which there is plenty. See here, here, here, here, here, here and here.

One of the biggest misunderstandings, spread by political pundits even now, is the ‘tradeoff’ argument. Fact: evidence clear that fast hard effective action best policy for economy AND for reducing deaths/suffering

The argument that lockdowns are good for both public health and economic output – that there’s no trade-off – only works if locking down enables you to completely suppress the virus. 

Once complete suppression has been achieved, the lockdown must be combined with a well-functioning system of contact tracing, and a well-functioning system of border controls. In the absence of these measures, a new epidemic will almost certainly emerge once the lockdown is lifted.

There is strong evidence that the UK’s lockdowns were bad for the economy. Indeed, the UK had the second lowest GDP growth in 2020 out of all the major countries in Europe, and its worst recession for 300 years. 

One could argue that the UK should have locked down earlier, but this is a bit like arguing China should have acted earlier to contain the epidemic in Wuhan. In other words, that ship sailed a long time ago.

What’s more, it’s doubtful whether the UK – which is much denser and more connected than, say, Australia – would have been able to contain the virus through measures like contact tracing and border controls. 

4/ Best example: Taiwan. Also shows that if you REALLY get your act together not only is econ largely unscathed but life is ~ normal. But SW1 (Remain/Leave, Rt/Left) = totally hostile to learning from East Asia

I agree that Taiwan has handled the pandemic well, and I share Cummings’s concern that people in Whitehall are unwilling to learn from East Asia. 

5/ There’s a general western problem based on nonsense memes like ‘asians all do as they’re told it won’t work here’. This is what many behavioural science ‘experts’/charlatans argued, disastrously, in Feb2020. This nonsense is STILL influencing policy, eg our joke borders policy

It’s not clear whether a greater tendency “to do as they’re told” explains why so few people in East Asia have died from COVID-19. However, evidence suggests that lockdowns are not a plausible alternative explanation. 

For example, Japan saw an epidemic burgeon in the winter of 2020–21. Yet this epidemic retreated without any real lockdown measures being imposed, which indicates that some other cultural or biological factor accounts for the country’s success.

In a recent article dealing with the global distribution of mortality from COVID-19, The Economist suggested that people in East Asia may “benefit from ‘cross-immunities’ – a level of protection against SARS-CoV-2 conferred by past infection by other viruses circulating in the region”.

6/ Another confusion re Sweden: data shows despite no official ‘lockdown’ behaviour changed enormously. The closer your measures are to ‘welding people inside homes’ (per Wuhan at peak) the >> effect on transmission. Semantics of ‘lockdown’ obscure this really simple point

Most lockdown sceptics accept that voluntary social-distancing affects the trajectory of the epidemic – I certainly do. Indeed, many people cite Sweden as an example of good pandemic management precisely because the country relied on voluntary measures (for the most part). 

However, it isn’t necessarily true that the “closer your measures are to ‘welding people inside homes’ (per Wuhan at peak) the >> effect on transmission”. We know that very little transmission happens outdoors, so there’s essentially no justification for mandatory stay-at-home orders.

What’s more, reducing overall transmission may be less important than reducing transmission among high-risk groups. Asking healthy adults to stay at home won’t have much impact on mortality if the virus still get into hospitals and care homes, as it did in the UK. 

Rather than focussing all our attention on the total number of cases, or the population “R” number, we should have done more to protect the most vulnerable. This would have involved expanding hospital capacity, improving ventilation, and requiring frequent testing of visitors.

Finally, there are some jurisdictions where the epidemic retreated without “behaviour changing enormously”. For example, case numbers in South Dakota began falling rapidly in mid November, despite almost no government restrictions and little change in people’s overall mobility. And they’ve stayed low ever since.

Because of overdispersion – i.e., the fact that a small number of individuals cause a large percentage of infections – overall mobility matters less than you might expect. 

7/ If you are going to have to do measures ≈ lockdown to avoid health system collapse then the harder/earlier the better & the sooner they can be released. Pseudo ‘lockdowns’ w/o serious enforcement are hopeless: econ hit & people die anyway, nightmare rumbles on

To begin with, none of the Western states that didn’t lock down – Sweden, South Dakota, Florida (in the winter of 2020–21) – came close to “health system collapse”, which casts serious doubt on the epidemiological models that served as the basis for lockdowns.

It’s true that, if you are going to lock down, earlier is better. However, it’s unclear whether a containment strategy was ever viable for most of the countries in Europe, which do not enjoy the same geographic advantages as countries like Australia. And I’m not sure East Asia is a useful comparison here. As noted above, Japan’s winter epidemic retreated without any real lockdown measures being imposed. 

It’s also not clear what Cummings means by, “Pseudo ‘lockdowns’ w/o serious enforcement are hopeless”. But if he’s referring to the UK’s lockdowns, then I’d agree that the costs almost certainly outweighed the benefits. Of course, the real question is what we should have done instead, and I’d argue that a focussed protection strategy is the most realistic alternative.

Cummings seems to believe that we should have attempted to contain the virus by closing our borders and locking down early. Even if this could have worked – which seems unlikely – the fact is that we did not contain the virus. The question then becomes, “Was a lockdown the right response?”, and I would argue that it wasn’t. 

It’s possible that we could have prevented a second wave by closing our borders at the end of the summer. However, this is somewhat beside the point, as the UK’s second wave was less deadly than the first. And evidence suggests that infections were already declining before the third national lockdown.

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PhantomOfLiberty
PhantomOfLiberty
3 years ago

And still Sajid is after your children.

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PhantomOfLiberty
PhantomOfLiberty
3 years ago
Reply to  PhantomOfLiberty

https://www.mdpi.com/1467-3045/44/3/73

Intracellular Reverse Transcription of Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 In Vitro in Human Liver Cell Line by comment imageMarkus Aldén 1comment image?1b5ed457ed71c59e, comment imageFrancisko Olofsson Falla 1, comment imageDaowei Yang 1, comment imageMohammad Barghouth 1, comment imageCheng Luan 1, comment imageMagnus Rasmussen 2 and comment imageYang De Marinis 1,*comment image?1b5ed457ed71c59e
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Department of Clinical Sciences, Lund University, 20502 Malmö, Sweden
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Infection Medicine, Department of Clinical Sciences, Lund University, 22362 Lund, Sweden
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Author to whom correspondence should be addressed.

AbstractPreclinical studies of COVID-19 mRNA vaccine BNT162b2, developed by Pfizer and BioNTech, showed reversible hepatic effects in animals that received the BNT162b2 injection. Furthermore, a recent study showed that SARS-CoV-2 RNA can be reverse-transcribed and integrated into the genome of human cells. In this study, we investigated the effect of BNT162b2 on the human liver cell line Huh7 in vitro. Huh7 cells were exposed to BNT162b2, and quantitative PCR was performed on RNA extracted from the cells. We detected high levels of BNT162b2 in Huh7 cells and changes in gene expression of long interspersed nuclear element-1 (LINE-1), which is an endogenous reverse transcriptase. Immunohistochemistry using antibody binding to LINE-1 open reading frame-1 RNA-binding protein (ORFp1) on Huh7 cells treated with BNT162b2 indicated increased nucleus distribution of LINE-1. PCR on genomic DNA of Huh7 cells exposed to BNT162b2 amplified the DNA sequence unique to BNT162b2. Our results indicate a fast up-take of BNT162b2 into human liver cell line Huh7, leading to changes in LINE-1 expression and distribution. We also show that BNT162b2 mRNA is reverse transcribed intracellularly into DNA in as fast as 6 h upon BNT162b2 exposure. View Full-Text
Keywords: COVID-19 mRNA vaccine; BNT162b2; liver; reverse transcription; LINE-1; Huh7

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  PhantomOfLiberty

Evil Rides Out!

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loopDloop
loopDloop
3 years ago

So everything trending exactly as we’ve expected.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  loopDloop

Is that Darth Schwab?

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Will
Will
3 years ago

Clucking bell this is a seriously worrying update.

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dave b
dave b
3 years ago
Reply to  Will

You can monitor the israeli data at the link below , it is not reliable [under reads] beyond week 4 at the moment.

Or about 2-3 weeks prior to the most recent report

https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Will

Are you really still surprised?

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twinkytwonk
twinkytwonk
3 years ago

With the recent discovery of vaccine mRNA being able to incorporate into the DNA of liver cells (https://www.mdpi.com/1467-3045/44/3/73) I don’t think it is out of the question that immune system silencing to spike proteins are leading to increased infections of the vaccinated. The chance of getting a grant to study this is less than 0 🙂

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John
John
3 years ago
Reply to  twinkytwonk

For RNA to be incorporated into cellular DNA requires reverse transcriptase, where does this originate? The study referred to is in vitro not in vivo, are the liver cells being used typical of liver cells in vivo?

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twinkytwonk
twinkytwonk
3 years ago
Reply to  John

Line-1 elements are part of the eukaryotic genome and part of the full transcript includes a reverse transcriptase enzyme. The liver cell line used here is cancerous but the advantage is you have a consistent cell line which I think in this case has been used for 30 years. The next step would be to do the same experiments on mice and analyze the liver tissue.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  John

Discovery identifies a highly efficient human reverse transcriptase that can write RNA sequences into DNA — ScienceDaily
Cells contain machinery that duplicates DNA into a new set that goes into a newly formed cell. That same class of machines, called polymerases, also build RNA messages, which are like notes copied from the central DNA repository of recipes, so they can be read more efficiently into proteins. But polymerases were thought to only work in one direction DNA into DNA or RNA. This prevents RNA messages from being rewritten back into the master recipe book of genomic DNA. Now, Thomas Jefferson University researchers provide evidence that RNA segments can be written back into DNA via a polymerase called theta, which could have wide implications affecting many fields of biology.

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twinkytwonk
twinkytwonk
3 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

From memory around 10% of the human genome is viral origin. Virus have been dumpling their genes into our DNA for a long time

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  twinkytwonk

So that’s OK for Pfizer to do likewise then?

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  John

Try this.

https://youtu.be/MjxlvduyJyc

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Jabba the Hut
Jabba the Hut
3 years ago
Reply to  twinkytwonk

Ask Bill or Ant they may fund some research.

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Jabba the Hut

Only if it pays!

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  twinkytwonk

Calmly expressed – but the reality is of course horrific and the implications frankly diabolical!

Do sheepies even realise what this means as some still seek to ‘vaccinate’ their own children?

Last edited 3 years ago by David Beaton
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Fraser Nelsons Underpants
Fraser Nelsons Underpants
3 years ago

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes, that’s my position now. I have endured too many assaults on my liberty and my rights and too much slander to care what happens to the jabbed anymore. I started off respecting the choices of others and I still do but I can’t muster much sympathy after what has happened this past year. My sympathy is reserved for those who have suffered through no fault of their own, such as the cancer patients who no doctor would see. Obviously, I wish no harm on anymore and I do not want those I care about who took the jab to suffer any ill effects but as for the rest, good luck I guess?

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Hester
Hester
3 years ago

Pfizer had to deliver a warning to its shareholders in February regarding clinical trial information which might have negative impacy on the stock valuation if you want to see it for yourself watch the highwire carve out
https://thehighwire.com/videos/financial-insider-exposes-covid-fraud/

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BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
3 years ago
Reply to  Hester

Keep watching to see if life insurance company data – capturing excess deaths among 18 to 64 age cohorts from “all causes” – and even health insurance data (capturing possible vaccine “adverse effects” – starts to be mentioned in the financial and mainstream press. Also, the data from funeral home companies that are publicly traded.

Ed Dowd, a former manager at BlackRock, deserves the most credit for publicizing such data. His theory is that this data cannot be concealed forever. If it ever comes to light, Moderna, Pfizer and all the other mRNA “vaccine” companies could very well go bankrupt – in a hurry. Needless to say, heads should also roll at ALL “public health agencies” in the world.

This said, one strongly suspects that such relevant mortality data will be censored or ignored … for obvious reasons.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  BillRiceJr

Insurers will get a central “bank” hush money “investment”

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Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

My take on it exactly – a cover-up will be financed, somehow or other, and anyone who speaks out will be silenced [or worse]

BTW moderators, took me 8 goes to verify that I am not a robot – some of the images were so tiny that you would have needed a magnifying glass to work out if they contained a bicycle in the very far distance or not

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

Anything to bury the mounting casualty rate!

They freeze Putin’s assets as a ‘war criminal’ – but Gates,Schwab Soros and Fauci just carry on as they please!

Last edited 3 years ago by David Beaton
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186NO
186NO
3 years ago
Reply to  BillRiceJr

FoI To Association of British Insurers might squirrel this information or a direct request to L&G, Aviva, AIG Life, Met Life, Prudential, Phoenix as representatives of the UK Protection market historically for data on death (and Critical illness..) claims from mandatory returns to their regulator – PRA; you may need an Actuary to translate the spreadsheet though….

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Hester

In short “their cover is blown”?

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CovidiotAntiMasker
CovidiotAntiMasker
3 years ago

These stats don’t take into consideration holiday effectiveness and as such are unrepresentative.

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iane
iane
3 years ago
Reply to  CovidiotAntiMasker

Is that for the double-vacs (sic!) or the triple-vacs?

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Vxi7
Vxi7
3 years ago

Still many countries requires this crap to be administered to you otherwise no entry.

Botswana is on another level any unvaccinated arrival must be vaccinated on site. In case of refusal you have to pay nearly $500 fine and leave immediately.

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The old bat
The old bat
3 years ago
Reply to  Vxi7

This stupidity is breathtaking, isn’t it? Oh well, that’s Botswana off my holiday list.

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  The old bat

Stupid?

Ripping off travellers?

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Ron Smith
Ron Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  Vxi7

And I thought most African countries are measured. There are always outliers.

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Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  Vxi7

Think also of those in countries where they are forced to take the job or lose their livelihoods – and are not permitted to leave.

There are no holidays for them.

This is something much worse than governmental stupidity.

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Vxi7

Vaccines and Fake Covid PCR tests have proved a ‘nice little earner” worldwide!

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artfelix
artfelix
3 years ago

TL:DR = If you’re vaccinated, you’re screwed

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Ron Smith
Ron Smith
3 years ago

As the Indian Dr from World Doctors Alliance put it…The vaccine is the Gun and your immune system is the bullet.

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Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  Ron Smith

knowing my luck with Russian roulette I don’t fancy my chances

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Freecumbria
Freecumbria
3 years ago

Still negative vaccine effectiveness against testing positive in every age group when comparing unvaccinated vs vaccinated (any dose) which is the most obvious compare. See attached chart.

Effectiveness against testing +ve worsening in every age group for a second week. So still greater negative effectiveness.

And at least double the rate of positives in the vaccinated (any dose) vs the unvaccinated in all the age groups covering ages 18-79

VSR8-+ve-tests.jpg
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Freecumbria
Freecumbria
3 years ago
Reply to  Freecumbria

And down to just 11% of deaths within 28 days of +ve test in the unvaccinated and 89% in the vaccinated (any dose).

VSR8-deaths.jpg
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Freecumbria
Freecumbria
3 years ago
Reply to  Freecumbria

And now down to 25% of +ve SARS-C0V-2 test emergency care admissions in the unvaccinated and 75% in the vaccinated (any dose).

VSR8-emerg-care.jpg
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BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
3 years ago
Reply to  Freecumbria

Thanks for presenting these stats/charts.

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Doom Slayer
Doom Slayer
3 years ago

How can there have been more covid attributed deaths post vaccination if they are as effective against death as the data has shown? And with milder variants and more natural immunity. Its nonsense. How do we know they help against death? We are comparing numbers per quota of population. What do you need for accurate rates, accurate numbers of population for the respective groups. To me this is a fundamantal and conscious manipulation of data that has over egged the vaccinated numbers and under egged the unvaccinated. A proper clinical trial with like for like individuals and no dodgy practises would be needed to show any realistic benefit. Such a thing would never be allowed to happen.

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BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
3 years ago

Wow. Every paragraph of this article includes shocking data – data that Would be urgently investigated in “Normal times.”

The bottom line (to me): The vaccines are KILLING people. Governments around the world are mandating or strongly coercing people (including children) to get a vaccine that is less effective at preventing infection than no vaccine … and a vaccine that is also resulting in more deaths than are seen in the non-vaccinated.

Those promoting COVID vaccination are promoting increases in deaths. They are committing crimes against humanity.

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186NO
186NO
3 years ago
Reply to  BillRiceJr

Have not heard, for some time, from the Jabaholics who routinely defended the jabs as efficacious…..I wonder why?

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BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
3 years ago
Reply to  186NO

I just copied and pasted a piece written by the “Ad Council” in the USA that is still trying to do everything it can to get children vaccinated. Virtually every sentence in this piece is a lie or dubious. The piece was published by USA Today and I found it at the top of my Facebook feed. I’m going to debunk the claims/statements sentence by sentence – this might take 2,000 words and I take on this project knowing that no mainstream media site would ever publish this rebuttal.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sponsor-story/the-ad-council/2022/02/24/medical-experts-answer-questions-covid-19-vaccines-children/6912579001/?fbclid=IwAR3S1f560jR9IGuH9EDCE6fuqcfQqeuGBc-mCWUiUA6hDlX8aQEYOknMxfQ

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186NO
186NO
3 years ago
Reply to  BillRiceJr

More power to your keyboard..

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  BillRiceJr

Very sadly now too late for many children.

It is so vert hard to fight , when all the Institutions of the US Federal State are forcing this agenda on behalf of the WEF and the CCP.

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  186NO

That’s obviously because over time there will be fewer of them, which in a sense proves that the jabs are ‘efficacious’ – but not necessarily in the ‘official’ way pushed by the Vax propaganda.

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186NO
186NO
3 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

I get that!!

It is those who attempt to blind others with “scientific” dense replies whenever, say, the efficacy of the jabs is called into question because of an article about ONS /UKHSA data , e.g.

Not seen a sniff of that knee jerk response for a while – only ever saw that/those replies has a “deflection” exercise particularly when the question of jab induced “immunity” was raised. I just think that the weight of evidence of what these jabs do and are is so great, like a non receding tide, any further “defence and denial” type reply is 100% counter productive to these jabapparatchiks “case”…(and makes “them” look more factually bankrupt very day) ……if they ever had one.

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  BillRiceJr

I think you got there!

We now just need to convince 70% of the population to see any change of policy .

In the meantime Johnson and Javid will be very quietly signing UK Health Policy Autonomy over to Bill Gates and his ‘owned’ WHO on March 1st!

Last edited 3 years ago by David Beaton
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Smelly Melly
Smelly Melly
3 years ago

“Safe and effective” anybody?

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Smelly Melly

Nobody with a brain!

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Jane G
Jane G
3 years ago

I still don’t get it.
A look on YT of the Downing St presser of 21st Feb shows Whitty’s slides showing a whacking great chunk of unvaxxed presenting to hospital (ICU?) compared with the jabbed, across all age groups.
I could understand it when the timeline was from May 2021 when most were still unjabbed (- on the day, the slides moved on too quickly for me to process what was on the graphs)
but the worst one was showing figures from this winter season.
Can anyone help reconcile the differences between Whitty’s graphs and those in this article?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77p5n1ESb6c. (17.06-18.24)

Some time ago the in-house doctor gave a very useful critique of a mischievous press conference showing techniques such as monkeying with the timeline which gave a distorted picture when presented to laypeople unused to interpreting this stuff. There hasn’t been one for the latest Vallance and Whitty show, an it would have been very helpful.

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Menckenitis
Menckenitis
3 years ago
Reply to  Jane G

Probably because they include in ‘unvaccinated’ those people who are within 14 days of being jabbed, presumably because that’s when most of the adverse reactions, including death, occur.

Global health policy has been weaponised against the masses so it’s necessary to present data in whatever form is required in order to support the narrative.

Prof Norman Fenton of Queen Mary College, London has done a great job of debunking this fraud by re-analysing the data in the way anyone with a moral compass would expect.

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BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
3 years ago
Reply to  Menckenitis

Surely, a decent percentage of world citizens know by now that ALL “public health data” is manipulated to protect and support “the narrative.”

And, FWIW, it’s not just health data. All the economic data has been manipulated as well.

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  BillRiceJr

Foreign Affairs have been farcically and frigteningly manipulated to generate conflict to create food and fuel shortages and experiment with te seizure and freezing of individual Bank Assets.

Aren’t people getting the full WEF picture yet ?

“Businessmen they drink my wine ploughmen dig my earth/

None of them along the line know what any of it is worth
*****
All along the watchtower, princes kept the view
While all the women came and went, barefoot servants, too.

Outside in the distance a wildcat did growl
Two riders were approaching, the wind began to howl.”

( Bod Dylan)

“Apocalypse Now ” anyone?

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Menckenitis

The “narrative” now appears ti be rising numbers of deaths and injuries by vaccine as US and German Insurance companies have now observed.

In the UK we are now openly talking about ‘Yellow Card’ ststs multiplied by ten.

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago
Reply to  Jane G

Less than 3 doses and you are considered unjabbed, aren’t you?

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Jane G
Jane G
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

So effectively, when a 3rd jab is available, the double-jabbed revert to zero? I think one of these slides breaks the population down to 1, 2 and thrice-jabbed; I assumed some degree of consistency from the CMO.

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Jane G

See France.

You become “Unjabbed” by text on Macron’s whim1

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

If you are still around to be bothered that is.

Last edited 3 years ago by David Beaton
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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Jane G

Whitty ……………..”Darkness Visible”!

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Menckenitis
Menckenitis
3 years ago

With thanks to No_Pretzel_Logic on zerohedge.com for this comment.

At least two big pharma are going to get their azzes wiped.

Wall St, insurance companies and many others know about the fraud perpetrated by Moderna, Pfizer, etc. Some predictions are MRNA at $0, Pfizer at under $10.
Plus lawsuits GALORE.  “Bankruptcy For Moderna, Definitely Pfizer” | naked capitalism
That is likely why the script flipped bigly in the last 4 – 6 weeks.

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BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
3 years ago
Reply to  Menckenitis

Watch the work/analysis of Ed Dowd … and see if more of his colleagues or the financial press start to report on what his research has found.

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mishmash
mishmash
3 years ago

And why anybody still claiming absurdities like ‘still providing some protection against serious illness and death’ needs a good, hard slap across the face.

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Banjones
Banjones
3 years ago
Reply to  mishmash

Exactly. After all, we’re only talking of months here, not a year or more down the line. ”Still providing” is a nonsensical phrase.

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  mishmash

How about a ten year jail sentence?

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago

If the “vaccines” were “safe and effective” you’d expect to see a noticeable drop in all cause mortality compared to when we didn’t have the “vaccines”. Has that been the case? Isn’t that the key question?

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CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
3 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Same type of argument as with face nappies – if they worked, muzzle mandates would cause a drop in cases, but that never happens in reality.

But we are talking the Covidian Cult here, where any outcomes seen as positive are attributed to whatever measures they are hyping, and any contrary outcomes or lack of outcomes are simply ignored, with the claimed outcome often being the opposite of what the data actually shows.

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Mardler
Mardler
3 years ago
Reply to  Julian

All cause mortality IS lower than the 5 year average.

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Julian

We now know the answers – it is the biggest most deadly ‘scam’ in medical history – why not just say it?

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago

I would say I’m concerned for the jabbed. But I’d be lying.

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Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

I’m afraid I’m more than concerned. The jabbed include people I love, like and generally care about.

My rage against those who coerced, lied and bullied knows no bounds. For them, and them alone, I consider the consequences of jabbing might well be just desserts.

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Banjones
Banjones
3 years ago
Reply to  Alter Ego

Yes, I agree with you on this. While I’m concerned and saddened beyond measure that people I love have put themselves at risk (and those that have suffered symptoms are not joining the dots) I’m more infuriated, as you are, at the evil b*ggers who’ve coerced and manipulated the gullible, because those gullible made the mistake of thinking that our ”leaders” would never do us harm.

I know many ex soldiers who’ve just blithely gone ahead and taken the poison, without a lot of thought, because this is what they did all their working lives – believing in the honour of the people they served.

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Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  Banjones

It’s an outrageous abuse of trust. They exploited the decency of people who are simply incapable of lying the way they have.

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Banjones

The gross betrayal of the trusting British People by this diabolical scam knows no parallel in our history.

The scale of the damage and potential damage to health and life is currently impossible to asses.

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186NO
186NO
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Very very unworthy – you don’t know how and why some people decided rather than be coerced into having the jabs, some from Employer mandate pressure to maintain there livelihoods, others for highly personal medically orientated reasons after months and months of metal gymnastics and agonising.

Humans are capable of expressing compassion for others……a lack of compassion is….what’s the first word that comes into your head?

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186NO
186NO
3 years ago
Reply to  186NO

“mental”

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Jabba the Hut
Jabba the Hut
3 years ago

That’s it my arm has been finally twisted, how do I download the Vaxapp. I’m going to phone my GP and get myself double jabbed. So I can go on holiday.

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Milo
Milo
3 years ago
Reply to  Jabba the Hut

you forgot to put (Sarc) at the end of your post.

some poor idiot might read it and think that you were serious and do likewise

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CovidiotAntiMasker
CovidiotAntiMasker
3 years ago
Reply to  Jabba the Hut

I’m not sure you can get double jabbed at the same time and some destinations may require an additional booster or two, so it’s always advisable to consult a holiday rep first.

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Joe 90
Joe 90
3 years ago

Sister had her 14 year old son jabbed a couple of months back – ever since he has suffered from not only severe cold-like symptoms but also recurring cold sores around the mouth and rashes behind the ears – even with all these symptoms appearing so soon after receiving the jab she still took him for his second jab today so that they can fly out to Spain next weekend.

Either she is incredibly stupid and can’t make the link between this sudden appearance of recurring bad colds her son can’t seem to shake off, mouth sores and skin rashes – and having the jab … or she is incredibly selfish – I can’t make out which? . It would be no good me pointing out the obvious because I know she’ll dismiss it.

I only hope that trip abroad for a few days was worth risking her sons health for.

Last edited 3 years ago by Ember von Drake-Dale 22
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Alter Ego
Alter Ego
3 years ago
Reply to  Joe 90

This is horrible.

I see people who have become blind and deaf, but far from mute. They cannot see the dangers and cannot hear the warnings.

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Alter Ego

Too late for millions now!

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Suzyv
Suzyv
3 years ago
Reply to  Joe 90

I have lost all tolernace with this now. This is disgraceful and I am hearing of it far too often. Your nephew’s health may now be permanently damaged- we don’t know do we as there have been no long term studies- and there is a good chance of him now being infertile. These parents allowing this for a holiday and failing to do some due diligence even if just for their kids let alone themselves, need to hang their heads in shame. How will they live with themselves if and when they find out what they have allowed their children to be injected with? Assuming they are still around that is.

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186NO
186NO
3 years ago
Reply to  Suzyv

Why stop with these jabs – how do you explain the massive explosion in auto immune diseases post Second World War?*

If you have children, and you “forced “, by a lack of an enquiring mind and inaction, to have them vaccinated as children, did you FULLY understand the consequences? Did you read the inserts provided with these jabs? Were you able to give “fully informed consent”?

As a baby boomer, I belong to the endemically duped – just did not know – for certain, but had suspicions – about it until circa March 2020. Read “The Real Anthony Fauci..”* and “Doctoring Data” for a balls out expose of the Pharma led deliberate policy of injecting money making medications that had in the vast majority of cases dubious effects…..with few honourable exceptions.

Then, if you have the integrity, “hang your head in shame”. Then, I suggest you direct your ire at MHRA/UKHSA/Whitty/vanTam/Vallance/Health Secretaries/SAGE/Ferguson/Gates et al – for doing what Big Pharma wanted.

Life reflects Art; remember the scene in “The Fugitive” when the good Doctor confronts the PI fraudster presenting the case for a miracle drug, “Provasin”, after he found out that the trial data was switched to hide the drug’s true bad effects? Not Hollywood fantasy as it turns out.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
3 years ago
Reply to  Suzyv

He hasn’t got a fully developed immune system yet and what he did have the stupid woman has injured!

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myrtle
myrtle
3 years ago
Reply to  Joe 90

I am broken hearted to report that the same thing has happened to my 19 year old daughter who, against my wishes, took the poison having been coerced by ‘the wee thug’ Sturgeon to get the passport to go clubbing in Edinburgh. She has been constantly ill since August as have all of her flatmates. I’m devastated

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  myrtle

The Police, the Media the Medical Authorities and 75%of MPs are not in the least interested in accounts such as yours – this total betrayal runs throughout the UK Establishment . and all our Institutions.

The Met Police have just binned a given Crime Number ignored and denied thousands of pages of evidence, testimonial and expert witness statements of vaccine damage and alleged crimes and have refused to investigate it further!

And yet people still talk about conspiracy “Theory” when the facts shout otherwise!!

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Joe 90

Scores of similar accounts – yet still they carry on!

Nothing more to say is there?

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Think Harder
Think Harder
3 years ago

The plan is working but too slow. Time to call young leader Putin to initiate plan B. We’ll wait until the next Davos meeting but hold it in the Maldives and if the prevailing winds are correct Vladimir can initiate the limited nuclear exchange. We calculate elimination of major cities will leave sufficient Chinese population to cater for our needs when we emerge from hiding.

We can trust Xi can’t we? Can’t we?

Last edited 3 years ago by Think Harder
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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Think Harder

Barking up the wrong tree I’m afraid.

Have you any idea of the unbelievable level of corruption between Poroshenko and Biden after the Maiden Coup in Ukraine staged by Neo Con Victoria Nuland ( now Biden’s assistant Under Sec. of State) for the CIA?

I modestly suggest you may have some listening to do.

As usual, the Great British Public are being treated like morons.

So try this:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/B7sQCDRKpN1O/

No wonder they want to silence RT!

Last edited 3 years ago by David Beaton
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Hester
Hester
3 years ago

Maybe the injections are doing exactly what was intended. Killing people, there is a pensions timebomb about to explode in Europe and USA, too many people too little money, Governments and the money system will collapse, solution? Less people, problem is diminished,

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Hester

You said it Hester- thousands avoid the Giant Dead Elephant in the room !

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jingleballix
jingleballix
3 years ago

Vietnam – C-19 death toll

Spring 2020 = 35
Autumn 2020 = 35
Summer 2021 = 35

Winter 2022 = 39,000

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Banjones
Banjones
3 years ago

”….with those few that succumb to Covid doing so about two to three weeks after infection.”

But aren’t we to assume that it’s people with other serious illnesses who are ”succumbling” to the disease, as we have done all through this nonsense? That they are ”succumbing” to a combination of their comorbidities, and eventually die WITH ‘covid’ rather than ”succumbling” to it alone, as this suggests?

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marebobowl
marebobowl
3 years ago

Question, age over 70, rheumatoid arthritis. Vit c, d, zinc, Quercetin daily. No covid jabs. Have not been ill in over two years with a cold, flu or covid. Why? Don’t know anyone who died from covid. Know at least twenty people with adverse events post covid jabs (heart attack, stroke, racing heart, serious lung infection, severe allergic reaction, severe lung infection, blood clot) two now dead. Know over twenty people who were triple jabbed and then got covid. I don’t think my story is a rare one.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
3 years ago
Reply to  marebobowl

We are also over 70 we also take vit C D and Zinc with Quercetin, no jabs, no prescription drugs, also no colds or flu for over 2 years. Neither of us have had any flu jabs either.

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Well done!

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BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
3 years ago
Reply to  marebobowl

I’m 56 (and don’t exactly take care of myself) and I have not tested positive for COVID in two years (have been tested twice, once after my wife tested positive and once after a co-worker did). I actually think one reason for this is that I might have natural immunity – from a “case” I had in January 2020 – six weeks before the first “official” case was recorded in my state. In January 2020, I had almost all of the classic Covid symptoms, including fever, extreme fatigue and body aches, a terrible “dry” cough and loss of taste and smell. FWIW, I went to the doctor and tested “negative” for the flu. My doctor and an administrator at this medical group later told me that this practice had tons of people who were coming in with flu symptoms who tested negative for the flu. “We thought there was something wrong with the flu tests,” the administrator told me. I think a certain percentage of these SICK patients actually had COVID, myself included. I still wish there was a study done of people like me – those who had COVID symptoms before March 2020 – who never later tested positive for COVID. If these numbers are “statistically significant” this would seem to be evidence that this virus was spreading months before our trusted health officials said it was in my country (the USA). How many of people like me may have developed “natural immunity” when the virus wasn’t even supposed to exist? FWIW, somehow I don’t think such a study will ever be done.

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andyg
andyg
3 years ago

arn’t these stats for vaccinated higher because more people are vaccinated?

is the rate per cohort or rate in population generally.

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago
Reply to  andyg

No.

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andyg
andyg
3 years ago

isnt this just because there are more people vaccinated, so the observated rate of infection is greatest in the biggest group.?

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JXB
JXB
3 years ago
Reply to  andyg

It’s a rate as you have said not a number. It is expressed as rate precisely to allow for difference in cohort sizes.

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andyg
andyg
3 years ago
Reply to  JXB

but it doesnt explicitly say per cohort, if the rate in in the general population, the biggest group will show a greater rate ?

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JXB
JXB
3 years ago

In summary: you are at least no worse off not having taken the pseudo-vaccines.

That was predictable to anyone who asked the simple question, why, given that 10% of Colds are caused by coronaviruses, if effective vaccines were possible do we not already have vaccines for those? And a second question why do we not have sterilising ‘flu vaccines after near 80 years of research and making them, and whose effectiveness is negligible?

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David Beaton
David Beaton
3 years ago

As predicted by the ‘Awake”months ago .

As not reported on the censored UK Media.

Conclusions anyone?

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MikeHaseler
MikeHaseler
3 years ago

The jab may, at least temporarily, reduce your chances of dying from a virus that has mutated so that its hardly killing anyone, but as the jab also has a death risk from taking the jab, I doubt it is now beneficial to any age group. So, it seems the unjabbed are now doing better than the jabbed.

But the real question now is this: how negative does the “benefits” of the jab go? And, is that negatively increasing with every boost (as seems very likely given the increasing risk of getting infected with every new jab). And does that increasing risk created by the jab only apply to covid, or does it apply to every coronavirus? And finally: could that increasing risk turn pretty benign viruses into killers?

Is the jab creating a situation where taking the jab repeatedly makes you more and more susceptible to all coronavirus’ (i.e. the common cold), yet not taking the jab immediately makes you susceptible … but not as susceptible as those who continue taking the booster will eventually become. And could that susceptibility be life threatening … or will it just be more “colds”.

And, this is the real crunch: will taking the booster enough times eventually make people so susceptible, that the short term benefits fade so quickly that they provide no benefit at all? And, instead, they rapidly become extremely susceptible to all coronaviruses with deadly consequences?

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Nigel_N
Nigel_N
3 years ago

Should we be surprised at the convergence of death rates between the vaxxed and the unvaxxed? Or even the rising death rates in the vaxxed?
Probably not, as there is an additional reason that this may be happening: the rising rate of hospital infections. These are 60-day deaths, remember, so with a variant that is so transmissible that it cannot be controlled in a hospital setting, it is not unreasonable that everyone who dies after more than a few days in hospital will have tested positive.

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