The double-vaccinated are almost twice as likely to be infected as unvaccinated people, data from Iceland shows. This is the same pattern as found in data from the U.K. Thorsteinn Siglaugsson has written about the trend in Morgunbladid, the main national newspaper in Iceland, and put up a translation on his website.
After December 20th, the 14-day incidence of COVID-19 infection by vaccination status took a very unexpected turn in Iceland. The infection rate per 100,000 of fully vaccinated adults with booster is now eleven times higher than on December 20th, and the infection rate of double-vaccinated adults seven times higher. At the same time, infections among unvaccinated people have grown by a factor of 2.6 only. Among children, we see a similar change: a tenfold increase among the fully vaccinated while the rate among the unvaccinated is 2.4 times higher than on December 20th.
This change can hardly be explained away by changes in behaviour, such a sudden and decisive change of behavior between groups is impossible. It is also unlikely that testing has suddenly increased this sharply among some groups and not others. We know the protection against infection from vaccination wanes rapidly, but it is out of the question that it should drop so suddenly. The most likely explanation is the new Omicron variant. Foreign data also indicate that the currently available vaccines have little or no effect against Omicron infection.
The data published on covid.is are weighted; the different size of the groups is adjusted for. This means we can use them to conclude regarding probability of infection. At present, triple-vaccinated people are only 30% less likely to get infected than unvaccinated adults, and for vaccinated children the difference is only 15%. This small difference decreases rapidly in both groups. The biggest news, however, is that double-vaccinated people are now 90% more likely to get infected than the unvaccinated. This suggests that the protection provided by two doses of vaccine is in fact less than none, it is the opposite.
After Siglaugsson’s article was published on January 8th, the Icelandic Chief Epidemiologist claimed the finding was an artefact of the official data overestimating the number of unvaccinated people. However, Siglaugsson suggests the overestimate would have to be an implausible 90% to bring the infection rates level.
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I’m not sure about that site. Seems like low quality articles and incredibly annoying popups. I no longer follow links to it.
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No surprise here. What do they expect? The vaccinated are shedding pathogenic spike proteins – which we are told can infect others so of course they are the carriers!
Here we go again. How convenient!
Scientists in Cyprus identify new ‘Deltacron’ Covid strain
https://mol.im/a/10384049
This is taken from table 13 on page 40 of Thursday’s HSA week 1 vaccine surveillance report. You can see exactly the same results as those from Iceland.
Shopping in my local Tesco supermarket this morning. Apart from me, everyone was wearing a face mask and I mean everyone, even people working there that had definitely not been wearing masks in the past, were now wearing them. Next time I visit I will ask why. Just an observation but my guess is that they have been, shall we say, encouraged to co-operate.I could be wrong.
Looks like we’re off again with a new variant!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10384049/Scientists-Cyprus-identify-new-Deltacron-Covid-strain-combines-Delta-Omicron.html
Almost as if they are releasing new scariants on purpose 🤔
Looking for COVID variants seems as pointless as counting leaves in Hyde Park on a November day.
Don’t these people have something useful to do?
ALL leaves are… harmless. Ta da.
They’re paid to count leaves therefore they’ll happily count leaves.
They’ll stop when people stop paying them to do it.
Oh no the mutants are fertile & procreating. What croc.
The ‘number of mutations’ is fairly irrelevant when it comes to viral hazard.
Maybe it’ll become the next big thing. It probably won’t.
Mail tweaked by the 77 – “Get back onto it or else”
I have an observation to make.
Despite the huge range of sceptical articles on this website, the articles which always seem to attract trolls are the ones critical of the vaccines.
It’s almost as if the vaccines are the ONLY things that matter to them.
Why are there only pro-vaccine trolls?
Maybe they ‘got the jab(s)’ and are reluctant to accept that they are part of a massive experiment – an experiment that might have consequences for their future health?
They feel guilty for jabs which have only enslaved rather than liberated them.
If 77th trolls: the plausibility of a manufactured cure to a manufactured crisis must be defended.
Yes Tobias must be “hitting the phones’ ( in old speak) or rather pushing out the texts!
I suspect it is because being anti-vaccine is utter idiocy, which unlike other critique on this site is very easy to call out by simply referring to facts.
Something you have to be injected with every few months isn’t a vaccine.
Choosing to inject people every few months with experimental gunk whose long term effects can’t be known because the long term hasn’t yet happened makes no sense when we know that death rates can be reduced by repurposing existing and cheap treatments.
And it’s a disease that, even when deliberately untreated – “Go home and only come back if you think you’re about to die. Then we’ll put you on a ventilator and make sure you do.” – essentially kills old already ill people.
We already know that, based on short term effects alone, it is much more dangerous to young people and especially children than the disease.
Yay! Thanks for providing another data point which confirms my hypothesis.
Glad you’ve got yours and in a few months time you won’t be here
Would Sir like death by stroke, heart attack or cancer?
I see there is a different person on the rayc laptop tonight.
Why? They are paid to defend the vaccine ‘narrative”?
Because vaccines are necessary for the introduction of the passes. If it was really to do with health or even protection of health services, when the vaccination levels had hit 70% or so they would have eased off. But they go harder to get mandates or their equivalent. They have one chance of getting this to stick.
Dr Mike Yeadon on GB News.
A lot of criticism and dissent of the pandemic response is being allowed lately.
It feels strange to me, like a prelude to something much worse coming.
I am more optimistic.
I think it’s all falling apart for the globalists and they have lost control of the media and, as we speak, they have broken up into factions arguing amongst themselves over tactics and strategy.
I got butterflies when Yeadon was talking about asymptomatic transmission being “epidemiologically irrelevant”, then the other guest telling her anecdotal story about 15 out of 19 funeral attendees all ‘catching covid’ without symptoms and Yeadon simply refusing to engage with anecdotal evidence.
This is the mass psychosis on display, people are falling for the scam and convincing themselves their illness must be covid.
Nobody gets a cold these days, it’s always some version of the 1984.
Give Scarlett MccGwire 10/10 for the naive confidence in her assertion that no one present had been suffering from any symptoms and that was the categorical proof that asymptomatic transmission well and truly exists. I wonder how exactly she ascertained that. Is it likely that anyone who knew they had symptoms was going to admit to it after the event? Did she interrogate everyone who had been there including the funeral directors and staff? Did they not go for a meal /refreshments somewhere afterwards where there were probably serving staff? Presumably most of those present, if not all, had been ‘vaccinated’ – as we know, it is suspicious how many jabbed people are going down with ‘covid’ soon after jabbing.
Yeadon did well to contain his obvious frustration with her nonsensical claims. If that is the calibre of government advisers past and present, it’s no wonder the country is in the state it is.
Let us hope so.
Yep. Me too.
Financial çrash in March?
Mike Yeadon is the classic “save the day” Hollywood scientist in a real life blockbuster. He has the character and look for the role in real life.
Premeditated Mass Murder?! Dr Michael Yeadon Joins Reiner Fuellmich To Discuss Genocide Clues
https://www.bitchute.com/video/WSyIVx5sR6zO/
Also essential viewing:
REINER FUELLMILCH UPDATE ABOUT THE TRIALS – CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY
https://www.bitchute.com/video/jyo7T0UVCH1b/
“HOLD THE LINE” LAWYER ANNA DE BUISSERET SPEAKS ON NUREMBERG 2 & COMMON LAW
https://www.bitchute.com/video/bYv4YMp6DCci/
He is a hero – a real ‘expert’ in his field , brave and modest with no financial or political interest to protect.
May the Lord protect him!
At this point I begin to wonder that if everyone had just carried on as normal would there have been less deaths overall?
If we hadn’t moved sick people into care homes?
If we hadn’t destroyed peoples livelihoods and damaged their mental health by lockdowns?
If we hadn’t vaccinated everyone and instead vaccinated only the high risk people?
Yes.
And these are the questions that must be asked when the perpetrators try to claim that they saved the nation with their tyrannical diktats.
Their time will soon be better spent saving themselves!
I’m certain of it.
If Covid had happened years before we had the ability to test for viral DNA or antigens then it would have just been thought as another seasonal flu or respiratory disease and people would have just carried on as normally as they could. The governments back then woud try their best to stop people panicking and to keep the country going (the epitome of ‘Keep calm and carry on’.)
The only reason that lockdowns are feasible is that we now have the abillity for a large part of the population to work from home. Even a few short years ago that wouldn’t have been possible,
This pandemic has been extended by the overuse of testing to produce ‘cases’ where people are asymptomatic and aren’t suffering disease, and the population deliberately scared into compliance with nonsensical rules and experimental vaccines that have made matters worse.
Wonder? Of course there would!
But in any case we have no honest figures that record how many deaths have actually occurred and from what exactly?.
Undertakers point to no excess deaths whatever during this whole ‘crisis’ period!
publishing bad new only prolongs the emergency.
Complying with the authorities and believing and promoting their lies prolongs the emergency.
I what way have you not complied?If you were not afraid why complain so much?
Didn’t clap,
Didn’t follow all the lockdown rules
Didn’t download track and trace
Gave false details on entry to venues
Didn’t wear a mask
Didn’t social distance
Didn’t use sanitiser
Carried on shaking hands and hugging
Didnt watch the BBC
Didnt believe a word the government said
Didn’t take a vaccine
Stop engaging with the NHS in any way
Fought the propaganda every day
Spread sceptic material far and wide
Objected to my company working with the NHS
Boycotted Scotland, my birth country, and numerous companies with discriminatory policies
Never went to a venue requiring a passport
Refused to have my children tested
How about you? I suppose being a 77th reservist disqualifies you from non compliance?
There’s never been an emergency.
Johnson has no clothes! Horrible thought!
Fake vaccines prolong the emergency.
Lockdowns prolong the emergency.
Government prolongs the emergency.
Not holding government to account prolongs the emergency.
How to listen to the unholy trinity of Johnson, Van Tam and Whitty: With the sound off and the Eagles “Lyin Eyes”at full blast.
The Three Weird Sister!
The “Vaccine” is in the cauldron!
The UK data has been showing a similar pattern for ages. Obviously it’s an absolute disaster and proof that the vaccines damage the immune system. I cannot believe that Boris doesn’t know about this and yet they are still pushing these poisons on the population. That’s genocide.
it’s not a very efficient form of genocide 68m – 150k = 67.85m.
They’d have to be really, really stupid to come up with a jab that killed most of the recipients in the short term.
I reckon it’ll do it’s job by a combination of significantly reduced life expectancy and a big reduction in fertility.
I agree. I suspect the target date is 2030. Every other part of the reset should be in place by then so population reduction will be geared to this date.
Give it time …it is a slow burn model.
It is not a very efficient form of genocide.
Give it time.
I’d like to apologise to the double jabbed. I’m unvaxxed and healthy.
Then why apologise? Shouldn’t they be apologising for being gullible and abusing us?
You have nothing to apologise for. We’ve been ridiculed, marginalised, gaslighted, othered, patronised, scapegoated, lied to, excluded and otherwise abused by this preposterous carry-on. We need to stand proud; all we’re guilty of is thinking for ourselves.
More likely to get infected, less likely to end up in hospital. Since when “cases” matter to our sceptics?
What about the people the vaccinated infect. Are they likely to end up in hospital?
That used to be the main argument for the young healthy unvaccinated having the vaccine.
But that was before it became evident that when it came to preventing infection and transmission, the vaccines are AN ABJECT FAILURE.
Now there is no good justification for anyone to get one.
If they are vaccinated as well, no, they are unlikely to end up in hospital. If they are unvaccinated, yes, that’s a problem, but one with an existing solution. And the justification is same as before, it reduces your risk (although that justification has gotten less relevant thanks to mildness of omicron overall; and it has never been relevant younger parts of the population).
That’s a bonkers argument. The vaccines make things worse, but it is okay because we can vaccinate the world.
As a civilisation we’ve been incredibly stupid and thought that we could win this fight — despite trying to make vaccines for decades and each time either resulting in the vaccines introducing ADE or making infection more likely. For some reason they decided to inject everyone before waiting to see if this time it would be different. Well, it is increasing appearing that it isn’t different.
The vaccines are a complete disaster. They don’t do what we were told they’d do (contain the disease) — they increasingly appear make it worse.
Your attitude is also deeply uncaring of those individuals who are at risk from the virus but don’t get protection from the vaccines — you seem perfectly happy for the virus to become highly prevalent in the population because ‘I’m alright mate, and if you do the same you’ll be alright too‘ — you’re callously dismissing the risks to others.
I really can’t understand your attitude in this matter — we appear to have made a serious mistake in going for universal vaccination and you don’t seem to care about… Read more »
Not an “attitude” – a prepared narrative….77?
Its a waste of time arguing logic. He is an ‘outrider’ for the covid cult. Its exactly the same trying to engage in logical conversations with climate cultists.
As it becomes ever more obvious that the vaccines don’t work then maybe, just maybe, they will step back from introducing vaccine passports.
Not that I would ever argue against vaccine passports because of failing vaccine efficacy. Vaccine passports are an evil immoral concept irrespective of vaccines working or not.
Sadly, they don’t need to apply logic when it comes to vaccination passes – they’re coming to England for sure!
Are there any reports of triple jabbed in hospital?
They are certainly still dying
https://www.health-ni.gov.uk/publications/vaccination-status-deaths-and-hospitalisations-22-november-19-december-2021
They’re trying desperately to keep those statistics from prying eyes.
To be honest all the data must be such a fucking mess I doubt you can take much from it all . for example, deaths within 28 days of a positive PCR test and then changing the cycle threshold number of said test throughout the pandemic. Vaccinating people and then classing them as not vaccinated etc etc and don’t even get me started on the population denominator that chances to suit depending on what they want the answer to be.
Desperate stuff in trying to hold together the narrative as it crumbles in front of their eyes. The excuses get less and less plausible as the data shows more and more that the vaccines have failed utterly.
Even if you believe the claims about reducing risk of serious illness, the negative protection of the “vaccines” now means that you are not only more likely to spread Covid if vaccinated, but also, because you are so much more likely to catch it in the first place, you are now more likely to die of Covid if double jabbed.
Total failure on a global scale.
Precisely. These bastards will now claim:
a). That they always held our views – and claim the credit
b). Deny the damning truth, i.e. that they were wrong about everything, and have killed and/or abused millions
c). Spin the result to show that THEY won, and are now benevolently transitioning to ‘freedom’
d). Still push more vaccines
As an addendum: neither Bojo nor Whittance or other figure heads ever did a day’s research into covid, but relied on ‘underling syndrome’: junior staff beholden to patronage to collate information and formulate policy on the hoof – of course matching the shifting needs and desires of their masters.
Total bollocks, total bastards.
Not only that: I’m certain they have been mining this site for our views, ideas and insights all along, they just decided to ignore them until it all went ‘tits up’.
Parasites!
Imagine being whitty, valance etc and realising this was your chance to use your skill and training to make a difference and then managing to achieve a worst result than bloody Joey Essex would have done
Total failure on a global scale….. Au contraire the plan maybe faltering but the core conspirators have made immense progress towards their goal of a global biosecurity technocracy.”Much like Sajid Javid I am a firm believer in individual freedoms however I must insist you all read Pseudo Pandemic , New Normal Technocracy by Iain Davis and have what could be difficult conversations about this book with family ,friends, colleagues, neighbours who are perhaps book reading hesitant, otherwise sadly they may lose there God given inalienable rights which I of course steadfastly value without understanding the reasons why.
We’re all a little bit more likely to die of covid because there are just so many vaccinated in the populations of western countries; this has increased the prevalence of the virus way beyond the individual increase in risk in the vaccinated.
We’re actually very lucky that Omicron is relatively benign; I’d say the only problem remaining is long term negative effects of the vaccines — we’ll find out more about these eventually. (note — the vaccines might be benign as well — we just don’t know yet).
So will they introduce ‘passports’ for the unvaccinated only?
LMAO 😂 😂 😂
It would have made most sense to only have vaccinated the most vulnerable, with the proviso that anyone vaccinated would have limits placed on their freedom of movement — that way they wouldn’t have been able to spread covid so much and would be less likely to act as a breeder for escape variants. This approach would also have automatically stopped people that weren’t at risk getting vaccinated.
We’ve done exactly the opposite of this, and the chickens are coming home to roost.
And, yes, it would make sense to limit the movements of the vaccinated — but this is clearly not going to happen, in the west at least. That said, I’d not be surprised if some countries in Africa (say) put some restrictions on vaccinated visitors, to reduce the risk of covid spread into their population.
“Sense” has nothing to do with this.
I don’t agree with imposing restrictions in any form. Thin end of a wedge.
Remember when they were sceptical about the jabs?
All political and nothing to do with health.
From Jon Rappoport:
The CDC has issued a document that bulges with devastating admissions.
The release is titled, “07/21/2021: Lab Alert: Changes to CDC RT-PCR for SARS-CoV-2 Testing.” It begins explosively:
“After December 31, 2021, CDC will withdraw the request to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) of the CDC 2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel, the assay first introduced in February 2020 for detection of SARS-CoV-2 only. CDC is providing this advance notice for clinical laboratories to have adequate time to select and implement one of the many FDA-authorized alternatives.”
CDC/FDA are confessing there has been a PROBLEM with the PCR test which has been used to detect the virus, starting in February of 2020—right up to this minute.
In other words, the millions and millions of “COVID cases” based on the PCR test in use are all suspect. Actually, that statement is too generous. Every test result of every PCR test should be thrown out.
To confirm this, the CDC document links to an FDA release titled, “SARS-CoV-2 Reference Panel Comparative Data.” Here is a killer quote:
“During the early months of the Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic, clinical specimens [of the virus] were not… Read more »
So wait, the tests were detecting any old RNA sequence? how do we know what virus they were actually trying to find?!
Certainly not sars-cov-2 because they never had clinical samples of it!
How can you design and calibrate a viral diagnostic test without the virus in question? It’s complete bullshit.
Anything corona suitably altered with ‘gain of function’ in Wuhan that would stir panic and fear to justify their ‘Emergency powers’ Lockdowns/Masks/Digital Vax Passes/ Endless testing, Fear propaganda, house arrest, Travel restrictions, Media censorship, manufactured supply chain “crises” , ‘Quaratine ‘prison camps, detention centres – all designed to help force their injections of previously prepared, un-trialed Pharma mRNA Gene Therapy products .
The virus was developed to justify the vaccine experiment as a means of bringing on the Schwab WEF Great Reset – to end democracy and enable the oncoming manufactured financial ‘crisis’ to save the Banks and impose Central Bank run Digital Currency and a total population control model ( CCP style)
Isn’t it now obvious?
In any case it is all documented by RFKJ in his book “The Real Anthony Fauci” for anyone to read.
Largely agree with one proviso – I believe they do know what is in the “vaccines” and largely how they will act on the victims. No wonder Fizzer wanted 75 years to release the papers.
Doubtless when real scientists see what is in the “vaccine” recipe they will have a good idea of the illnesses likely to follow and probable timescales.
This kind of mask should be mandatory.
What the male equivalent would be, I dread to think.
Best not imagined!
And note (again) that the Adults Not Fully Vaccinated includes those who’ve had a shot or two but less than 14 days ago. Wonder what the line looks like for us truly unjabbed?
Very strange.
We never get any figures whatsoever for the truly never jabbed.
I wonder why not…
Man, 20, dies after ‘medical episode’ at Talbot Green playing fields – BBC News
I wonder what this could be?
What would a 20year old be doing there at 4.30pm on a Saturday afternoon? Well we don’t know because the police statement and the press article are rather vague
Ooopps!!! a quick look on google earth and hey presto it turns out that this it is a football pitch and changing rooms
What would a 20 year old be doing on a soccer pitch at 4.30pm on a Saturday afternoon?
Looks like we will never find out
another coincidence 🙁
Very rare apparently.
“After Siglaugsson’s article was published on January 8th, the Icelandic Chief Epidemiologist claimed the finding was an artefact of the official data overestimating the number of unvaccinated people. However, Siglaugsson suggests the overestimate would have to be an implausible 90% to bring the infection rates level.”
siglaugsson’s riposte not only refutes the claim BUT also (because it’s so obvious) puts the Chief Epidemiologist as either a corrupt liar or an idiot.
It’s strange that the Chief Epidemiologist would imply that they have such a bad handle on numbers. Because they’re a small country with a high number of doctors/nurses per capita, they tend to have very good quality stats. Siglaugsson’s riposte seems fair.
I genuinely didn’t want the signs of OAS to show up so strongly and so soon. I’m unvaccinated, but my parents aren’t, and I’m more worried about them than I am about me. This is one of those “told you so” moments that I can’t really derive any satisfaction from.
I’m dreading getting back in touch and achieving some kind of normality in relations with people I’ve drifted from in the context of seeing them in declining health because of the injections. It won’t be pretty or easy.
I really don’t have that bone, I told them so, I won’t say it again to them directly to avoid being cruel but they cannot say I didn’t warn them.
Quite right. We can’t rule out either that society will somehow manage to blame us for this mess!
Yes, the blame will be as for Marek’s disease. Because the vaccinated are largely unaffected, and more likely to spread infection, the unvaccinated are getting infected AND causing problems for healthcare, unlike the vaccinated who are just getting infected. Something like that.
I don’t understand the downvotes btw, your comment made perfect sense to me 🙂
I think the downvotes are because our assorted “sceptics” were triggered by my other comments today and are now in a downvoting frenzy for anything I post. Which goes to show how much individual thinking some participants here are capable of.
You really are an arse aren’t you.
Unfortunately for the vaccinated, the classical Marek’s disease scenario doesn’t appear to appearing as of now — it appears that we’ve got a less lethal variant in Omicron and covid itself is now going away as a problem.
Of course, if they invent a new Omicron specific vaccine then the process starts again and we could get that classic Marek’s disease scenario.
As it stands we appear to be entering a risk period where OAS in the vaccinated will result in very high antibody levels and increase autoimmune problems to a significant level (eg, see the excess deaths in the UK since summer — they’re hanging around the +5SD level, which is worryingly high, but only a fraction of these deaths can be attributed to covid).
No data for any autoimmune problems caused by the vaccines so far – that’s just pure speculation.
As for excess mortality, who knows, maybe it’s people who neglected life-saving hospital treatments because of all the lockdowns and panic. Some suicides from depression and overall ruined life perspective thanks to all the measures probably just as well. Some surely went outright bonkers from the “campaigns”, for example there was a dude in Germany who shot his entire family as a result (that’s 5 more for the excess mortality stats, including kids).
As for the Marek’s scenario, it’s true, it has not unfolded yet because of the vaccination, but it can be argued that the unvaccinated are causing problems simply because they are more vulnerable. For the sake of blaming unvaxxed argument it doesn’t matter much whether they became more vulnerable as a result of other people’s vaccinations (a’la Marek) or simply because they were so in the first place (current state of affairs).
You are an exceedingly arrogant, heartless piece of rubbish. My downtick.
Causing problems for healthcare?! I don’t even know where to start. I would submit that the unvaccinated I.e people who simply wish to get on with their lives without taking part in a gigantic medical experiment – are not the thing causing healthcare system problems. The only people saying that are disingenuous politicians, and you. Your detangling of the ‘vaccines’ from the provably fraudulent web of deceit that birthed them is utterly bafffling.
Of course, the contribution of bad politics has been much larger than that of a tiny group of unvaccinated people. But if this group grows (let’s say, all over 60 year olds get tired and start believing all the anti-covid-vaxx propaganda from the interwebz rather than health officials), and if new variants appear/are released by China or whomever that are not as benign as the latest one, then it’s undeniable that the unvaccinated would become a greater burden to healthcare than those who took the jab.
The health officials who recommended no early treatment, social isolation, masks, cancelling routine hospital appointments, sending infected elderly to care homes, vaccinating children and pregnant women. Those health officials?
Indeed. Out of an immediate family of 18 there are only three of us not perforated.
Three of 18. Too right I’m worried.
Good grief, it’s like living in a Theatre of the Absurd play from the 1950s! Comme c’est curieux, comme c’est bizarre et quelle coincidence!
Israel started showing the trend of more infections in vaxxed than unvaxxed over the summer, blamed it on Delta. England has been showing this trend since the summer. NL has been showing this trend, reflected in the official figures, since November.
Denmark recently showed the trend of ever-more infections in vaxxed than unvaxxed, as has England, now Iceland. But it’s all due to overestimating the unvaxxed, willingness to test differing between groups, different behaviour when going out and mingling, it’s due to Omicron – except, if it were simply Omick evading the vaxx, surely the weighted numbers for vaxxed and unvaxxed should be the same?
Is it truly just so curious, such a coincidence – or is there a very simple explanation – THE VAXX DOES NOT WORK!
Just wait until they all start turning into rhinoceroses.
That already happened in March 2020. Read the play when I was 15, this was the first time I realised it was not nearly as absurd as it appeared at first read. If people where really turning into rhinos I would find it odd as I have seeing so many intelligent, well-meaning people turn into zombies and be so scared of life and be so accepting of such egregious breaches of all our rights.
Have you read Knock by Jules Romains? It foreshadows the covvibollox so accurately it’s uncanny. A PhD with no medical qualifications buys a medical practice, and makes an enormous fortune by convincing an entire community that they are permanently ill. Tous les hommes bien portants sont des malades qui s’ignorent.
The think skinned bed-wetter’s are still thin skinned.
Oh it does, if you’re the WEF
I’ll have to think about that and get back to you. 🤔🤔🤔
Surely *SURELY* vaccines that make things demonstrably worse can’t have part of anyone’s plan, malign or otherwise. I still can’t quite believe what we are living through!
But they are not making things worse. They are making sure the infected don’t fill up hospitals. Which is the key priority for any public health planner.
But they are not making things worse. They are making sure the infected don’t fill up hospitals. Which is the key priority for any public health planner…..Said someone who queued up for the booster .
The Pfizer product raised all-cause mortality, with 20 versus 14 deaths (in the experimental group vs the control group) until the experiment was ended.
The exercise seems tragic and bizarre
a) bureaucrats write silly and ill-thought-out rules on what a ‘vaccine’ must do
b) Pfizer devises a ‘vaccine’ to meet the letter of the rules.
This excludes long-term effects on health. These effects seem more likely with the jab than the infection.
Fucking idiot
Idiot or troll?
The vaxx does work for what it’s intended to do – reducing severity of infection.
Unfortunately even if that were definitely true, which is still unclear, it doesn’t reduce it by enough to compensate for the extra likelihood of catching it. If you have a 70% higher chance of not getting seriously ill if you catch a disease but a 200% higher chance of catching it in the first place, then those aren’t good numbers.
While turning your own immune system against you in the process, meaning you will definitely become severely ill with other things down the line.
Now that might be, but as of today it is pure speculation without any supporting evidence.
The vest majority ( all?) of the people seriously ill with covid in ICUs are either severely obese with comobidities, elderly with comobidities, or rather strangely pregnant non-white in London. These people are potentially at risk and should be offered the jabs.
There is absolutely no justification at all on any basis, individual or social to insist that any others have a jab.
Truth doesn’t wash with the 77!
I agree and most certainly don’t insist (everyone should be free, just as they are free to jump out the window, as far as I’m concerned). Just don’t ignore the actual numbers. Sadly, not everybody who fell severely ill had known risk factors (although the majority did), it’s your choice whether you want to play this roulette or improve your odds.
A bit like, “reducing severity of infection.”
It is not “still unclear”, in fact it is very clear that even for the latest omicron variant the hospitalization rate for vaccinated is significantly lower than for the unvaccinated. But here we go, “sceptics” denying facts again when it does not fit their cherished beliefs.
Their definitions of “Unvaccinated” = double jabbed within two weeks of hospitalisation – or “unvaccinated” = not had their ‘booster – they are taking the p*ss!
If they wanted to clear the hospitals they would legalise cheap, safe, ivermectin which has saved thousands of lives in India, Bangla Desh and Japan – reason they don’t ? Simple,they don’t want to!
Your “official” propaganda narrative is simply falling apart!
Unfortunately, no solid data on ivermectin as covid cure, all the previous studies screwed up more or less, and a lot of quackery peddlers around it happy to make their money from this $1 miracle cure (too bad you can’t get it for $1 from them).
Bluntly – you are a Liar.
There is a huge amount of evidence in favour of Ivermectin. It is even on the WHO’s list of top ten safest, most useful drugs.
Do some bloody research.
And population reduction.
Hope you’ve had yours.
Yeah, my population has been already reduced.
Some way to go yet.
Good. Hope you join them
That’s a lie
yes, the vaccines were supposed to stop covid spread. yes, the “experts” told us so.
And they even did reduce the spread, for the original variant. But those who were selling the vaccine were not those who designed it. And those who designed it made no such wild claims about the spread prevention.
Getting pathetic now.
Even if that were true with the first dose of the vaxx and the first encounter with the virus, that is now clearly no longer the case. Even the scientists don’t believe that.
For the longest time it was maintained that even though protection against infection and transmission waned, protection against severe illness remained robust. If that were true and the scientists believed it, there would be no need for boosters. Pushing the booster makes it clear they know protection against severe disease also wanes (if it ever existed). The risks of having repeated boosters on the immune system in general and the immune response to this virus in specific has not been studied, to determine whether to continue to give people this stuff needs to be reviewed all over again with a new risk/benefit analysis.
Data from Israel indicates the 4th shot does not produce as much ‘protection’ as the preceding 3 and that it wanes more quickly. Then what?
The reality, and what the scientists say, is that significant (“robust”) protection against severe infection exists, wanes, and for this reason a booster is a good idea (for the vulnerable groups). Not so hard to understand, is it?
P.S. “then what?” develop a new vaccine which works, presumably.
P.S.2. The same vaccine may also start working again when applied after a longer break, e.g. next season.
The science is no-where near as clear as you suggest.
The vaccines were developed to solve the covid problem. Yet 12 months on we have more cases than ever.
We’ve now got a situation where each vaccine dose offers at best about 3 months of protection — which then wanes to negative effectiveness, ie, makes things worse.
Your point about ‘the vulnerable’ is, however, correct — they should be boosted, as the risk from covid is real for them. But they should have been the only ones vaccinated in the first place — if we’d have done this then we’d have had nearly all of the benefits of the vaccines, but only a fraction of the problems.
“The vaccines were developed to solve the covid problem”
You genuinely believe that?
Yes, it did not all go as splendidly as expected by some naive individuals. What are you gonna do about it, cry? In matters of life and death, 3 months protection certainly seems better than no protection at all. And the “negative effectiveness” only concerns likelihood of infections. There is no data whatsoever which would show that the vaccines become “negatively effective” in terms of harming people, but of course, that is what is implied in this crazy loaded term.
This is a self defeating argument:
inject the vulnerable which allegedly provides three months protection but after which it wanes to negative effectiveness.
That is NOT what I call sensible.
Everything to do with COVID is speculation.
Find evidence that a virus has been isolated in the real world.
Find evidence that it causes the illness that itself has variable clinical symptoms that no one seems able to describe in any form of standard way,
Find genuine evidence that the vaccines against this alleged virus have a positive benefit. Especially given that their long term effects are unknown.
The scepticism on this site is not sceptical enough. Most of it accepts the axioms of unproven Germ Theory.
The true causes of the variable symptoms known as COVID are in reality unknown. That kind of makes an effective vaccine an illogicality.
By the way, I am not a medic but I consider myself capable of thinking. More people need to do that and challenge the orthodoxy. It is wearing no clothes.
Ah yes, it’s all in my mind. The elderly neighbor who died from it (at home, they did not even manage to get him to hospital on time after his O2 levels dropped) certainly also just imagined it and is in fact alive and well. Or he was killed by the vaccine, and the positive test was a pure coincidence … or better yet, caused by the vaccine as well… all is possible in your “logical” dark fantasy, it’s just that the numbers don’t want to agree.
That is not the function of a vaccine, which is to immunise not help spread infection through the manufacture of pathogenic spike proteins through ‘shedding’ by the ‘vaccinated’- its real intentions seem to be far more sinister .
More deaths and injuries from this injection than any other trial injection in modern medical history.
Any comment?
When you give any medication to billions of people – a historically unprecedented intervention – of course you are bound to have “more deaths and injuries [following it] than any other trial injection in modern medical history”. Still does not imply causation if the rate of “deaths and injuries” agrees with those in the general population (which it does, otherwise they would have been pulled from the market long ago; like they did with the initial thrombosis scare).
Many of us on here would appreciate you providing the evidence for such an assertion.
You forgot the Lancet study based on data from Sweden, and the NEJM paper on Qatar data. Both also showed the evolution of negative efficacy. It’s incontrovertible.
There’s also the study from Neil Ferguson’s group at Imperial College that was undertaken in England in December. That study found negative effectiveness for all the vaccine types studied; -46% VE for two doses of AZ, -18% VE for two doses of Pfizer.
Oh, sorry, I forgot — they’ve not ‘got round’ to publishing that study.
And the study that was undertaken on air travellers in Tel Aviv airport; that found deeply negative VE for 2x doses Pfizer.
I believe we are reaching a highly critical moment. In order to protect the vulnerable, we really need to consider a lockdown of the “Virtuous and Jabbed” (VAJs for short).
They get infected more often and when they are infected, they carry more viral load.
Maybe we need an electronic pass to confirm that you are not a VAJ and can enter premises (scrap that plan, just in case that’s assisting in the global takeover).
The rest of us, who are determined, intelligent and knowledgeable (DIKs for short), will have to be careful on trains and buses that we don’t get too close to these people.
Might be an idea to wear protection (scrap that plan, just in case it assists the global takeover).
Followers of this cult are known as VAJinas
“The Jabbed” now appear to be the greatest threat with their spike-protein “shedding”! The more you jab, the more they “shed”!