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Have 1,200 Experts Ever Been Proved Wrong So Quickly?

by Toby Young
3 August 2021 8:28 PM

Guido Fawkes reminds us today that over 1,200 so-called experts signed ‘the Declaration’ – cooked up by the same people behind the John Snow Memorandum – warning of the terrible effect easing coronavirus restrictions on July 19th would have. The Declaration originally took the form of a letter in the Lancet, published on July 7th, in which 120 self-described ‘scientists’, many of them members of Independent SAGE, described ‘Freedom Day’ as “dangerous and premature”. They cited the SAGE modelling showing there would be 100,000 new Covid cases a day if the Government went ahead with its plans and set out the dire consequences for Britain and the rest of the world. “We believe the Government is embarking on a dangerous and unethical experiment, and we call on it to pause plans to abandon mitigations on July 19th, 2021,” they wrote.

Two weeks on from ‘Freedom Day’, their predictions aren’t holding up terribly well.

According to Public Health England, the number of new daily cases fell to 21,691 today, another five-week low. So the 1,200 signatories of the Declaration exaggerated the number of daily cases that would follow ‘Freedom Day’ by 500%.

The Lancet letter also predicted that hospital admissions would soar as a result of Boris’s recklessness:

The link between cases and hospital admissions has not been broken, and rising case numbers will inevitably lead to increased hospital admissions, applying further pressure at a time when millions of people are waiting for medical procedures and routine care.

Perhaps they should have thought twice before inserting that word “inevitably” because the latest data shows hospital admissions falling. “Another 731 admissions were recorded by officials on July 30th, the latest date available – down 15% on the week before,” reports MailOnline.

And it wasn’t just these 1,200 ‘experts’ who were sounding the alarm. Let’s not forget that Keir Starmer also described Boris’s plan to ease restrictions as “reckless”.

Lifting all restrictions at once is reckless.

The Johnson variant is already out of control and we're heading for an NHS summer crisis.

Boris Johnson needs to think again. pic.twitter.com/WwU0M5QpGL

— The Labour Party (@UKLabour) July 19, 2021

And, of course, our old friend Neil Ferguson said on July 18th that it was “almost inevitable” that daily cases would climb to 100,000 a day if Boris went ahead with the unlocking the following day and added that “the real question” was whether they would reach 200,000 a day or more and warned of a “significant burden on the healthcare system”. Out by 1000% – which is actually pretty modest by Ferguson’s standards.

Prof Neil Ferguson says 100,000 Covid cases a day is "almost inevitable" as England eases restrictions on Monday#Marr https://t.co/POlbdX8vhv pic.twitter.com/OiDenl8mlY

— BBC Politics (@BBCPolitics) July 18, 2021

As Guido Fawkes says: “Guido can’t remember a time 1,200 so-called experts were proven so wrong in one fell swoop…”

Boris’s decision to go ahead with ‘Freedom Day’ is the first time I can think of in the past 16 months when he’s stuck to his guns in the face of wildly apocalyptic claims from various ‘experts’ about the consequences of “letting it rip” (their phrase for giving us our freedoms back). On every previous occasion, because he’s done exactly as these gloomsters have asked, they haven’t been proved wrong. Admittedly, locking down three times hasn’t stopped the U.K. from having one of the worst Covid death tolls in Europe, and Sweden’s excess deaths in 2020 were lower than ours in spite of not locking down. But the crystal ball gazers have always been able to argue that things would have been so much worse if we hadn’t locked down. Yet this time – finally – Boris ignored their doom-mongering and, as a result, they have been proved spectacularly – and humiliatingly – wrong.

Will this experience stiffen Boris’s backbone the next time he’s prevailed upon by the Government’s scientific advisers, sundry public health experts and the chin-wobblers in the Cabinet to lock down again, which really is inevitable? We can but hope.

Tags: Independent SAGEThe John Snow MemorandumThe Lancet

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Smileits1984
Smileits1984
3 years ago

When the next natural surge comes, they’ll be ‘validated’. That’s the game they’re playing. Basically crooked – its a win win situation when playing the media

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Lockdown Sceptic
Lockdown Sceptic
3 years ago
Reply to  Smileits1984

Our post-truth PM is leading us to post-freedom By Mark Pickles
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Stand in South Hill Park Bracknell every Sunday from 10am meet fellow anti lockdown freedom lovers, keep yourself sane, make new friends and have a laugh.

Join our Stand in the Park – Bracknell – Telegram Group
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snoozle
snoozle
3 years ago

Imagine the world if Boris had held his nerve in March 2020.
If a country as large as the UK had stood up to the nonsense and been proven correct, then many other countries might not have fallen for the silliness.

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Smileits1984
Smileits1984
3 years ago
Reply to  snoozle

He would’ve lost his job within a fortnight and he knew it. That’s what its all about. Saving the rule makers and nothing to do with public health

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago
Reply to  Smileits1984

Who would have sacked him?

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  Julian

I think in the context of the hysterics of March 2020, there’s a real risk the fabled 1922 Committee action that we’ve sometimes rather naively hoped for in our favour might have manifested against him if he had resisted the tide then.

We’ve see time and time again that the people involved are mostly weak and scared, and it’s clear that there were panicker zealots in very senior and influential government positions (Gove, Cummings, etc).

That said, I absolutely agree that that is what he should have done. Better to have gone down resisting than to have clung to office at the cost of everything he supposedly stood for.History, I think, would have been much kinder to him (assuming there is any honest history written in the future US sphere). And he might have been able to swing it, with decisive and firm action against the panickers.

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William Gruff
William Gruff
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

‘Better to have gone down resisting than to have clung to office at the cost of everything he supposedly stood for.History, I think, would have been much kinder to him … ‘

Cowards don’t consider the damage to their reputations when all that is in their minds is terror at the prospect of the immediate harm they’ll suffer at the hands of the bully.

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lorrinet
lorrinet
3 years ago
Reply to  Julian

His boss. Whoever is operating his strings. It sure as hell isn’t the people.

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William Gruff
William Gruff
3 years ago
Reply to  lorrinet

Just what I was thinking. No need for me to write that now.

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peyrole
peyrole
3 years ago
Reply to  snoozle

Sweden were and still are extremely disappointed with the UK in march 2020, they thought they were going to stand together.

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Will
Will
3 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

Sweden has been completely vindicated.

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Epi
Epi
3 years ago
Reply to  Will

True heroes

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robnicholson
robnicholson
3 years ago
Reply to  Will

Haven’t they just – not totally scot-free but certainly nowhere near as draconian effect on health and economy. None of the predictions of doom over them seem to have come true.

The more I think about this, the more is a classic case of abandoning planning under pressure – which is basically weak management/government.

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tom171uk
tom171uk
3 years ago
Reply to  snoozle

At the time I actually believed that Boris would hold his nerve. I looked at other countries panicking and locking down but I thought it was for spineless foreigners who lacked British resolve. Lockdown destroyed my belief in, and respect for, my country.

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Epi
Epi
3 years ago
Reply to  tom171uk

I’m afraid we’re just chin wobbling whimps.

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William Gruff
William Gruff
3 years ago
Reply to  tom171uk

There has been no lack of resolve; the ‘British’ have resolutely stuck to their guns and moved the Great Reset forward at a good pace. There is no going back because they are resolved not to take us back

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isobar
isobar
3 years ago
Reply to  snoozle

Evidently his puppeteers at the WEF were just to strong for him. Caved in completely .

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William Gruff
William Gruff
3 years ago
Reply to  isobar

Did he cave in? His feint of reluctance was simply to reassure the simps who voted for him that he was the stout hearted yeoman they thought him.

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I am Spartacas
I am Spartacas
3 years ago

Very odd … or is it?

Screenshot 2021-08-03 at 20-42-38 Kate Kimble ⭐️🌸 on Twitter.png
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Smileits1984
Smileits1984
3 years ago
Reply to  I am Spartacas

There’s no doubt the Vax has had an adverse effect in containing the virus. Though its prob had a positive effect in terms of serious disease. Rising cases are now because of the Vax 100%

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Davke
Davke
3 years ago
Reply to  Smileits1984

Don’t forget, they’re not cases just positive PCR , which as we know , is garbage.

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Smileits1984
Smileits1984
3 years ago
Reply to  I am Spartacas

PS that’s odd for a summer month. Vaccines to blame

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  I am Spartacas

And that was when they were counting anyone who had ever tested positive for Covid as a Covid death(admittedly they may be testing more people now).
And I have to say that statistical information fed to the public by the government and msm has been an utter shambles throughout.

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Epi
Epi
3 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

It couldn’t possibly be a deliberate shambles could it? 🤔

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peyrole
peyrole
3 years ago

Off topic, but in a significant move the Health workers Union in France has called for strike action against mandatory vaccines and the intro of the health pass.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

Oh, this should be fun. Aux armes, citoyens!

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yohodi
yohodi
3 years ago

Dunning Kruger (effect) group think gone all medieval, tis all them soothsayers wot done it.

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HaylingDave
HaylingDave
3 years ago

No way, Bojo – minor redemption for holding the line on July 19th does not even scratch the cover of the tip of the iceberg in terms of redemption for the 16 months of voodoo science and self-serving politics you inflicted upon us, killing, maiming and ruining the lives of your constituents. No, there’s no fucking way I’m going to applaud you for not caving on the 19th. No fucking way. I have about as much respect for you as the woodlice I can see crawling around my floor.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  HaylingDave

Yes, resign now. Roll on the Michael Guv premiership. (You know there’s no way it’d be Baker or Brady or McVey).

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Epi
Epi
3 years ago
Reply to  HaylingDave

Goodness wood lice? You okay sounds like you need to replace your floor boards?

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Peter W
Peter W
3 years ago
Reply to  Epi

Woodlice do very little harm unlike Johnson.

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PissedOffDad
PissedOffDad
3 years ago

For the sake of my sanity and the credibility of this site can we please stop pretending the Fat Bastard that is unfortunately our PM is some hero fighting against the forces of Darkness and unreason.
He is, and always has been, a useless wanker. End of.
All of the shit that has come this nation’s way is down to him and his singular talent for being hopeless at everything. The only time he doesn’t fuck up is when he has Carrie on her back or on all fours. 

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isobar
isobar
3 years ago
Reply to  PissedOffDad

Absolutely, the buck stops with him. Probably the most spineless and useless Prime Minister we have ever had.

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SteveMol
SteveMol
3 years ago
Reply to  isobar

And it was an incredibly low bar before him

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neilhartley
neilhartley
3 years ago
Reply to  isobar

Probably?

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Carrie Symonds
Carrie Symonds
3 years ago
Reply to  PissedOffDad

Dunno about that. From my certain knowledge he’s only got a little dick and he’s crap in every other direction.

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I am Spartacas
I am Spartacas
3 years ago
Reply to  PissedOffDad

Agree …

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isobar
isobar
3 years ago
Reply to  PissedOffDad

You only have to read this to see how it’s not just the fat pig dictator but the bulk of Conservative MPs bar a few individuals that have singularly failed the nation.

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/our-new-title-farewell-to-the-disgraced-c-word/

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
3 years ago
Reply to  PissedOffDad

Yes, pretending that Kim Jong Johnson is not a great fat communist is absurd.

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Pavlov Bellwether
Pavlov Bellwether
3 years ago

Pfeffel Pig, Sir Kneel Starmer, Neil Pantsdown Fear-guson..yeah sure.. voices of reason..let’s play ‘find the backbone’… more importantly – ‘Fight Back Better’: https://www.LCAHub.org/

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RW
RW
3 years ago

Sorry, but no absolution for Boris Blew-it-all for apparently having found himself between the devil and the deep sea on July 19th and thus, being forced to lift restrictions while holding a press conference stating that he absolutely didn’t want that and urging people to comply with the former rules nevertheless and then becoming Boris Vaccine-Passport only days later.

I’ve still been forcibly held away from my parents for two years in a row now, possibly more to come, because Chris Whitty has classified meeting them as unnecessary social contact and our anything-but-infallible medical overlords are still wanking freely in every microphone getting close enough for that while getting (princely) paid for this. And they’re still demanding more lockdowns.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  RW

And let’s see what he does until September. Track and trace – ongoing. “Vaccine” discrimination and coercion – ongoing. Denial of foreign travel to millions – ongoing, The criminality and human rights abuses have barely let up.
And one assumes more is to come until there is a definitive change of approach on this in line with original pandemic preparedness plans.

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Mike Durrans
Mike Durrans
3 years ago
Reply to  RW

I prefer to call it the Poison Passport as it is not a vaccine !

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Norman
Norman
3 years ago

I think the bug has run out of targets now. It cleaned out the old and infirm in the first wave, the second wave got those who older folk had their infection delayed by the lockdown, but this second wave was combined with all other seasonal respiratory ilnesses, many of which were misattributed to Covid and also hit university students.
The vaccine was introduced and all of the older adults got their shots, and like it or not, introduced a level of immunity. The third wave resulted mainly from the remainder of the as yet unvaccinated under 30s who were not in education, training or employment succumbing after they were released from house arrest. The hospitalisations were of the usual suspects, underlying conditions, the obese and ethnic minorities with impaired immune responses. Virtually none died and those that caught it acquired their immunity without jabs.
There is no-one left to spread it or to suffer from it.

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Quizzical
Quizzical
3 years ago
Reply to  Norman

I dont actually believe you – I know of old and infirm who survived covid and, had they not been tested, no-one even knew they had it.

Remember death statistics and hospitalisation statisticsare “with” and not because “of”.

And we must also remember that 2019 showed an unusually low level of deaths so there was already a backlog.

Absolutely right that the latest wave has hit the younger – who should long since have got immunity from having the bug without lockdown and school and university closures.

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago
Reply to  Quizzical

The last ‘wave’ wasn’t one. Another exaggerated casedemic.

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Jaguarpig
Jaguarpig
3 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Now that one I do agree with you

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago
Reply to  Norman

A Covid symptom for ZOE: seeing non-existent waves.

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SteveMol
SteveMol
3 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Let’s hope “ZOE don’t surf”

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Draper233
Draper233
3 years ago
Reply to  Norman

“The vaccine was introduced and all of the older adults got their shots, and like it or not, introduced a level of immunity.”

No I don’t like it, because it’s garbage. Unless you’ve actually got some data or evidence to substantiate your claims?

Perhaps you might also want to explain why the UK death rate is actually far higher now compared to this time last year when there wasn’t any vaccines.

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

Yes, we’ve heard some fairy stories in this shit-show – but this is a pretty serious case of feverish delusion!

I really can’t be arsed to unpick the crass mistakes and half-truths.

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milesahead
milesahead
3 years ago
Reply to  Norman

The ‘vaccines’ don’t provide a level of immunity – according to the manufacturers, they just mitigate the symptoms.

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SteveMol
SteveMol
3 years ago
Reply to  milesahead

It’s starting to appear they sint even do that
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.31.21261387v1#:~:text=We%20find%20no%20difference%20in,ability%20to%20shed%20infectious%20viruses

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amanuensis
amanuensis
3 years ago
Reply to  Norman

Covid-19 has considerably similarities to the cold (well, the ones caused by a coronavirus).

We will see ‘waves’ of cases that arise very rapidly, and then wane just as rapidly.

This is a natural phenomenon, and there’s no much we can do about it — claiming success of vaccines, lockdowns, masking is like Canute claiming he can hold back the tide.

The reason we didn’t see much in the way of hospitalisation is because infectious waves of upper respiratory tract viruses seldom see much in the way of symptoms (generally you don’t notice that they’re occurring).

The problem is that we’ve (as a country) have now learnt the wrong lesson — we think that we’ve beaten covid. It will come back this winter to prove that we’re wrong.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

BullS.

The alleged infection is nothing more than a cold virus.

We are being played.

This crap is all about the Reset. End of.

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SteveMol
SteveMol
3 years ago
Reply to  Norman

“There is no-one left to spread it or to suffer from it.”
Except the vaccinated

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William Gruff
William Gruff
3 years ago
Reply to  Norman

What a lovely story. You’re a talented writer of children’s fiction, unless this is just a beginner’s attempt at satire.

There has been no ‘pandemic’, no ‘waves’ and no one can possibly know who has died of or with the seasonal sickness now labelled Covid-19 because there is no test for it and death certificates have been fabricated, so only your last line is true and that is incongruous if your intention was to amuse as described above.

Nice try though.

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J4mes
J4mes
3 years ago
Reply to  Norman

Prosecution is being brought against the government/advisers with charges of murder for those who died in the care homes last years: https://www.thebernician.net/pub-to-lay-charges-of-mass-murder-by-government-policy/

Those who still believe a corona virus is responsible for the devastation of our society over the last year and half need to give their head a shake. No more talk of a pandemic, no acceptance that a lethal injection under the guise of a vaccination is suppressing a corona virus.

This is all about the fourth industrial revolution and mass depopulation.

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JayBee
JayBee
3 years ago

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/watch-psychic-bro-predicted-all-last-year
This is the only forecaster who nailed it, and who should be taken serious henceforth.

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NeilofWatford
NeilofWatford
3 years ago

Check out the level of correlation between those demanding tighter societal controls and the hard left. BBC, 99% of UK newspapers, unions, the Lancet …
And yes, I include the majority of the once-Conservative Party in the leftists.
Covid, from its CCP roots, was never about the flu – always about power.

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago
Reply to  NeilofWatford

Oh dear – another delusional ranting idiot victim of Covid, unaware of the distinction between arse and elbow, throws up over these pages.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  RickH

I distinctly remember some socialist workers at the London demo.

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J4mes
J4mes
3 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Another completely unjustified attack from commie pRick. When are you going to learn that your childish tantrums are not going to alter others’ view on your historically and presently evil choice of politics?

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JamesM
JamesM
3 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Stop calling people idiots. There is nothing more pathetic than a keyboard warrior who tries to deny others a voice by hurling insults and abuse. We can all agree there never was a pandemic in the true sense of the word, but the fact is the left-wing media (The Guardian, The Independent, The New York Times, The BBC, etc.,) have done their best to promote irrational fear amongst ordinary people. They have engaged in a blatant attempt to establish an authoritarian nanny state.

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SteveMol
SteveMol
3 years ago
Reply to  NeilofWatford

You really do need to stop seeing this as a left versus right issue – it’s a ‘haves’ versus ‘can’t-be-allowed-to-haves’ issue, and the average bloke in the street isn’t one of the ‘haves’ regardless of whether he’s on the right or left

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thinkcriticall
thinkcriticall
3 years ago

Quick update on the Israeli vaccine data. It’s bad and getting worse.https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/quick-update-on-the-israeli-vaccine

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isobar
isobar
3 years ago
Reply to  thinkcriticall

This looks like it could be an interesting debate regarding the vaccines.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/conference-stop-the-shot/

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago

“So the 1,200 signatories of the Declaration exaggerated the number of daily cases that would follow ‘Freedom Day’ by 500%.”

Actually not that bad by panicker standards.

500% is within tolerance for them, and perfectly acceptable as “worst reasonable case”, no doubt, if they can make people forget that embarrassing “inevitably”.

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago

Experts in what? Lying?

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JYC
JYC
3 years ago

It’s a bit of an exaggeration to say that the PM stuck to his guns over freedom day. He caved in on so much of what the government originally said that it would (oh so generously) give back. The time has long passed since there was a glimmer of courageous leadership from Mr Johnson.

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago
Reply to  JYC

In my view it goes way beyond a lack of leadership

Any possible shred of credit one might have given him was for me destroyed when he went full on crazy in bullying the young into taking the vaccine

There is no going back from that

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  JYC

Peking Piffle.

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Lockdown Sceptic
Lockdown Sceptic
3 years ago

Our post-truth PM is leading us to post-freedom By Mark Pickles
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/our-post-truth-pm-is-leading-us-to-post-freedom/

Stand in South Hill Park Bracknell every Sunday from 10am meet fellow anti lockdown freedom lovers, keep yourself sane, make new friends and have a laugh.

Join our Stand in the Park – Bracknell – Telegram Group
http://t.me/astandintheparkbracknell

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SweetBabyCheeses
SweetBabyCheeses
3 years ago

“Admittedly, locking down three times hasn’t stopped the U.K. from having one of the worst Covid death tolls in Europe”.

Is this true Toby? I didn’t think we’d had that much excess mortality? I just don’t think that most other countries are as sadistically obsessed with trying to attribute every single death to covid as the UK is.

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago
Reply to  SweetBabyCheeses

The increase in all cause mortality in the UK was higher than some countries in Europe and lower than others
How much of that was COVID and how mulch was medical mismanagement is debatable
The data on COVID are deliberately compromised everywhere

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William Gruff
William Gruff
3 years ago
Reply to  Julian

As far as the proportion of the deaths that were due flu Covid, who cares? Viruses are a fact of life and their function is to clear out the very old and the very sick and the very weak and so on.

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William Gruff
William Gruff
3 years ago
Reply to  SweetBabyCheeses

While Toby may be a sceptic, he feeds on the gravy train and the last thing he wants to do is to be thrown off it for not having a valid ticket.

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago

Meanwhile it doesn’t take any particular expertise, just common sense and reasonable intelligence and experience, to see what the real policy issues are:

Tucker: The mainstream media’s job is to defend the ruling class

“Nine people died of the virus and they’re shutting down Australia, and they’re using the military to do it. Police helicopters are clearing people off the beach, is there scientific justification for this? No, but they’re doing it anyway: 

Australian Police Use Chopper To Clear Beach: “Will everyone congregating in Gordon’s bay move on, the local police have been notified, anyone breaking the public health order will be issued a fine.”

The Anglosphere committing suicide collectively. Australia, New Zealand, Canada, the United States, Great Britain, what do they have in common? They speak the same language and have the same culture and all of them are allowing COVID to defeat them.

In Australia, people aren’t allowed out on the beaches, and they’re not allowed to ask why, either.  

We know that because Sky News Australia — which has the same owners as this channel — has just been banned on YouTube in Australia. Why is that? Sky News Australia reported that outdoor mask mandates and universal lockdowns may not be necessary to defeat COVID or very effective in defeating COVID. They reported that the science is far from settled on any of those questions. And they’re right, it is far from settled.

It’s obvious to anyone who watched the Biden administration berate its own scientists on social media this weekend. The science is not settled. Science rarely is settled, in fact, it’s a process of seeking the truth – it’s not the same a political directive, just because the person in power tells you something doesn’t mean it’s ‘science’. Just because CNN defends that person exempting himself from his own rules does not make that science.

But rather than admit this obvious truth, a truth that almost all Americans understand intuitively the people running our government — including our public health establishment which they employ — panic. How long until they’re kicking us off beaches and locking us in our homes? Will we be able to complain about it when they do?“

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tom171uk
tom171uk
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

We have done precious little to stand up against the advance of the authoritarian state for decades. We have meekly accepted surveillance cameras in the streets, speed cameras and law changes to allow their use on an industrial scale, the requirement for people to incriminate themselves and their spouses, ever more police powers, the emasculation of parliament and the judiciary, and countless pettifogging laws and regulations enforced by zealous local councils.

Public life has been dumbed down so, with some honourable exceptions like Big Brother Watch, there is no credible opposition to the authoritarian state. There is certainly none in parliament.

There is no reason to believe that the situation is not going to get worse. It is all being driven by international groupthink so anything started in a country like the USA is likely to be copied here, not rejected. And there is every reason to expect a frighteningly compliant population to knuckle down and accept it with barely a wimper.

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  tom171uk

Humans like authority and order, generally. The liberal, tolerant culture and state is a rare exception, and one that takes centuries to build but can be swept away as we’ve seen in a generation.

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CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

While, as you say, science is not ‘settled’, in this case there is pretty strong evidence that masks and the like don’t make any difference. The way it’s gone now though is that it’s stated as an “accepted fact” that they work, without presenting any evidence, and anyone presenting evidence to the contrary is being shut down. And only a minority seem to recorgnise just how dangerous this is.

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago

“Will this experience stiffen Boris’s backbone”

What backbone? That’s a myth as big as Covid.

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Evison1
Evison1
3 years ago

Sorry to point out the 1200 ‘scientists’ have successfully signalled their virtue and compassion (not like us lot……). Science – and the body count – is not the point.

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago
Reply to  Evison1

Exactly

They may be experts, but being an expert doesn’t stop you from lying

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  Evison1

Could you clarify?

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amanuensis
amanuensis
3 years ago

Generally, each covid infectious wave has declined to near zero within about 6-8 weeks of the peak.

The question is will we see this pattern now?

If we do it will be somewhat reassuring — it’ll mean that short term immunity in the population is working.

If we don’t it’ll be worrying — it’ll mean that some in the population have impaired immunity that is allowing the disease to remain at elevated levels. And then you might wonder which large group of people in the country have had their immune systems mucked about with over the last 6 months or so.

If cases don’t drop to zero the broad level that they do drop to will likely give an indication as to the trouble we’ll be in next winter (higher=worse).

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

Yawn……..

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NonCompliant
NonCompliant
3 years ago

Like it actually matters. They’ve been wide of the mark for 18 months and yet Toby thinks this time it matters.

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
3 years ago

This will no more stiffen the backbone of Kim Jong Johnson than it will result in the Jimi Hendrix Experience co-headlining with Motorhead,

Unlike the backbone of Kim Jong Johnson, Motorhead and the Jimi Hendrix Experience used to exist, however.

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Ceriain
Ceriain
3 years ago

You still really think none of this is Johnson’s doing, don’t you, Toby. That he’s doing it unwillingly?

You’re off your head, mate. Either that, or you’re really desperate for that gong.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago

“Dangerous and unethical experiment”?!! Dear oh dear. I thought that that was what has been happening since 23/03/20!

Last edited 3 years ago by Hugh
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waterbear
waterbear
3 years ago

Politicians have lost any shred of credibility they might have ever had. They are in a dunces race to the bottom, whacking each other in the back of the head as they rush past each other to be the jackass in chief.

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SteveMol
SteveMol
3 years ago

Interesting that Toby says we got our freedoms back on July 19th. As far as I’m aware, people are still supposed to isolate if someone they’ve been in contact with tests positive, and I’m still sweating on whether I’ll be “allowed” to use the football season ticket I’ve paid £100s for, due to the fact that I’ve chosen not to be vaccinated.

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago
Reply to  SteveMol

Vaccine passports, travel restrictions, mass vaccination, quarantine of the healthy, mass testing, masks everywhere still, T&T. All part of lockdown. Not over until all of this is swept away AND the government and SAGE admit it was a huge mistake. Millions of people scared needlessly, the rest of their lives blighted.

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SteveMol
SteveMol
3 years ago
Reply to  Julian

You’re absolutely right Julian – I used the two examples purely to make a point. What’s happening here is what’s called “ratcheting” – the government introduces an excessive policy which it later eases up on. People believe the government has done them a favour, totally forgetting that what they have now is less than what they originally had. I’ve been amazed at the number of people who were totally opposed to mandatory vaccination 18 months ago; accepting of it “but only for international travel” 9 months ago and now believe its “probably necessary for major events so we can get back to normal”

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  SteveMol

Chocolate Rations are UP! springs to mind.

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SteveMol
SteveMol
3 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

👍

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Will
Will
3 years ago

The reason Johnson didn’t lift restrictions last summer, is because they wanted to try and precipitate a large winter surge, to correspond with the beginning of the vaccination program, and hide the tens of thousands who were dropping dead after the jabs. The first lockdown did, sort of “work”, in suppressing the virus after it had already peaked naturally but all that achieved was more vulnerable people in the winter. Vallance knew this would happen:

“If you completely locked down absolutely everything, probably for a period of four months or more then you would suppress this virus,” he told Sky News.

“All of the evidence from previous epidemics suggests that when you do that and then you release it, it all comes back again.
“The other part of this is to make sure that we don’t end up with a sudden peak again in the winter which is even larger which causes even more problems.

“So we want to suppress it, not get rid of it completely which you can’t do anyway, not suppress it so we get the second peak and also allow enough of us who are going to get mild illness to become immune to this to help with the whole population response which would protect everybody.”

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mojo
mojo
3 years ago

It’s a disgrace that such an incompetent as Neil Ferguson has been allowed to destroy the farming sector, the small business sector and even the might of the Tory Party without any redress. This man obviously has a role to play in the Klaus Schwabb Great Reset and is protected. As for the communist heavy SAGE, we have yet another dangerous group allowed to hold sway by a careless and deceitful Prime Minister. Theresa May had a number of communist advisers and even used a communist to secretly create the EU withdrawal Agreement that should have been scrapped as soon as Johnson came to power.

So much for a true blue patriotic party……

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Epi
Epi
3 years ago
Reply to  mojo

I resigned from that disgusting party last April as soon as I smelt an extremely large and particularly pongy rat 🐀.

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ComeTheRevolution
ComeTheRevolution
3 years ago
Reply to  mojo

IT’S NOT INCOMPETENCE THEY ARE DOING THIS SHIT DELIBERATELY. Ferguson gets these gigs because he is prepared to put his name to this bullshit to achieve the pre-determined desired outcome. He is an INSIDER working for CRIMINALS

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ComeTheRevolution
ComeTheRevolution
3 years ago
Reply to  mojo

IT’S NOT INCOMPETENCE THEY ARE DOING THIS CRAP DELIBERATELY. Ferguson gets these gigs because he is prepared to put his name to this bullshit to achieve the pre-determined desired outcome. He is an INSIDER working for CRIMINALS

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Epi
Epi
3 years ago

Don’t worry their evil plans will continue – sorry to say.

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Pavlov Bellwether
Pavlov Bellwether
3 years ago

One to watch perhaps? “ The fight for freedom is a worldwide effort, and WE CAN WIN!” (Patrick King in Alberta): https://rumble.com/vkorz0-freedom-fighter-court-victory-ends-masking-shots-quarantine-in-alberta.html

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porgycorgy
porgycorgy
3 years ago

I don’t think Johnson ultimately wants to return any freedoms – he is a full-blown climate alarmist now, and this will dove-tail into the Re-set and the 4th industrial revolution process, keeping all of his pals at WEF, Gates and the Global corporations happy. The biosecurity state is still on course and the lies will perhaps take too long to fully expose, bringing us so close to the black hole of technocracy…

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  porgycorgy

Greenism is just part of the enormous welfare state for billionaires.

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sprinter
sprinter
3 years ago

Another one wrong….

Prof. Friston of Independent Sage said:
“I estimate the impact of the [Euro2020] semi-final as generating 494,090 cases over a month or an excess incidence of 18,300 new cases per day. This is about half of the current notification rates of 32,000 new cases per day,”

https://inews.co.uk/news/science/englands-euro-2020-success-could-lead-to-a-million-extra-covid-infections-1094382

Is it time to gloat yet? 🙂

Last edited 3 years ago by sprinter
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Hester
Hester
3 years ago

it will not stop Johnson relying on the same so called scientists going forwards, and it won’t stop the MSM from using them for interviews. The reason being is to do otherwise would be to admit they made massive errors of judgement, and that with all the cost in deaths, illnesses and the economy is tantamount to admitting guilt. So instead they will carry on with an insoucience of nothing to see here, and continue with the Emperor’s new clothes fabrication, and the majority of people will happily go along with it. Why? because to not do so the Public would also have to admit they have been taken for fools and no one likes to do that.
So in September testing will be ramped up again, as the children are back at school and the charade will continue, I mean all those school vaccinators and nurses being employed they have to have something to do,

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  Hester

They’ve been “re-Lied” on since Fergusson’s debacle of vCJD model predicted 150,000 deaths and we got 123 detected

Last edited 3 years ago by TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
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RTSC
RTSC
3 years ago

The ONLY reason the Cowardly Lion allowed a scaled-down version of Freedom Day to go ahead on 19 July was the anticipated political backlash if he’d U-turned again. So what we got was Freedom Day with “guidance” that effectively negated it.

The Cowardly Lion deserves no credit whatsoever for the destruction he has overseen. His Party needs a new logo – a blue Swastika.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  RTSC

National
Health
Socialists!
NHS

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marebobowl
marebobowl
3 years ago

Sadly, or not, Boris has nothing to do with the decision making. We all know that.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago
Reply to  marebobowl

I agree, but he’ll still walk away with his share of the spoils

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Mike Durrans
Mike Durrans
3 years ago

I actually believe that Prof Pantsdown and his 1199 mates are the unethical experimenters. These self important twats need public shaming !

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DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
3 years ago

Why? Because they are ‘Experts’
An ‘Ex’ is a has been and a ‘spurt’ is a drip under pressure

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Graff Frankenheim
Graff Frankenheim
3 years ago

As always, this site is being too polite by half. Because these quacks have clearly lost all credibility and are dangerously fanning unwarranted fear and panic in the population, there should be calls for them to be banned from social and public media. They are a danger to public health.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago

We never see them confronted with their nonsense either. We all know Ferguson’s track record but never hear him even asked to try to justify it

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William Gruff
William Gruff
3 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

That’s because those who might usually ask the searching questions are taking the same Bill and Melinda shilling as Imperial College.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago

Its surprising there’s not more of a push back, particularly from NHS workers for whom mandatory jabs would be a good guess in the near future.

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William Gruff
William Gruff
3 years ago

Starmer does talk some shite, doesn’t he.

The ‘Johnson Variant’ is under tight control and doing just what it is intended to do. The Starmer Variant, however, has achieved nothing more than the political equivalent of a runny nose.

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ComeTheRevolution
ComeTheRevolution
3 years ago

SIR Keir Starmer who was head of the Crown Prosecution Service when the decision was made to NOT INVESTIGATE SIR Jimmy Savile. See how this game works?

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William Gruff
William Gruff
3 years ago
Reply to  ComeTheRevolution

The same Sir Keir Starmer whose ‘believe the victim’ diktat to the CPS and police has resulted in the wrongful prosecution of hundreds, if not thousands, of innocent men for entirely false accusations of rape or serious sexual assault.

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hurleyp
hurleyp
3 years ago

“Guido can’t remember a time 1,200 so-called experts were proven so wrong in one fell swoop…”

Simple. It’s Groupthink meets the Peter Principle. There are many ‘cases’ of this worldwide.

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