Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab has admitted that the Government is “coaxing and cajoling” young Brits into getting vaccinated against Covid with plans to introduce vaccine passports at nightclubs and other “large venues”, but warned that students will have to wait for months to find out whether they need to be fully vaccinated to attend university lectures and to live in halls.
Given that Raab says “these decisions will be taken in September”, the month in which the university term starts, it is hard to see how students will have any “advance warning” of vaccine status checks, as he suggests they will. BBC News has more.
Mr Raab was asked on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme whether the Government was in favour of going further and making the vaccine pass compulsory in more settings.
“I think the key principle is in crowded places where we want to open up… whether it’s going to a football game or pop concert, we want to make sure people can do that,” he said.
And asked whether they were planning to require students in university halls to get vaccinated, Mr Raab said: “When we come to the crunch, these decisions will be taken in September. We’ve got some time to go.
“Right the way through this pandemic we’ve had to take advice and decisions based on the evidence when we see it.
“We will certainly make sure university students have advance warning, of course we’re going to be mindful of this.”
He said he had recently visited France, where they had a big surge in vaccinations after bringing in a health pass for many activities.
“It’s a little bit of coaxing and cajoling and also making clear that ultimately over September when we know we’ll see, as a result of coming out of the lockdown step four, an increase in cases, we can control that with backstop safeguard measures.”
Latest Government figures show that more than 71% of adults have now had two jabs, while 88% have had a first dose.
Young people who are within three months of turning 18 – meaning those who are soon able to go to university – and those aged 12-17 who live with people who have a suppressed immune system, can now also get a jab.
The idea to make vaccines compulsory for university students was not ruled out by either education minister Vicky Ford or Downing Street when asked about it earlier this week.
“We are still looking at the scope for vaccination certifications,” the Number 10 spokesman said on Monday.
Earlier this week, the trade union for academic staff such as lecturers, criticised the idea following news reports.
“Students should be prioritised for vaccinations, to ensure as many as possible have the opportunity to be vaccinated by September,” said the University and College Union.
“But making vaccinations compulsory as a condition to access their education is wrong and would be hugely discriminatory against those who are unable to be vaccinated, and international students.”
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“…..that ultimately over September when we know we’ll see, as a result of coming out of the lockdown step four, an increase in cases” Yeah that’ll be the cause, it’ll have nothing to do with the fact that that is also the same time of year that the influenza season starts. After all it’s not like last year the ‘official’ announcement of the second wave occurred in the same week of the year that the influenza season started… Oh no, wait, that is what happened haha
The day people like him can be removed will be a glorious day! An absolute low life.
Dr Peter McCullough is very clear when he says, people under the age of 30 should not take the experimental biologicals. Risk outweighs benefit. It really is that simple. I would take advice from Dr. McCullough before a politician with a degree in what? God only knows.
Students should “take a year out” until all of this is sorted. Save rent, save debt, and get a job. See how the Unis and landlords react. Nobody is fighting back against all of this.
If pubs and restaurants had pushed back more from the start? That is the main reason Fat Pang changes his mind so often. People think that it will only be temporary. lockdown from October ’til July?
Exactly. People have to stand up for themselves, push back and not be coerced. I can imagine that a lot of the parents of students are vaccinated and the domestic discussions that ensue are probably of the ‘It’s OK’ type.
Raab look’s an idiot in that mask
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Will these crooks rule out vaxports for anything? Or guarantee to end their use ever?
Coaxing and cajoling my arse. They’re threatening, blackmailing and coercing.
And Raab blatantly lied on the Julia Hartley-Brewer show this morning saying that the vaccines are entirely safe …… knowing full well that there have been nearly 1500 deaths and over a million adverse effects, many serious/life-changing.
What a scumbag.
And knowing full well that the Yellow card figures are significantly under-representative. Even if they weren’t (they are!), he has still lied.
This makes me think they are not serious about this proposal. Despicable tactics, but somewhat encouraging.
Hmm. The NHS GP data grab has been delayed until 1st September (latest cut off date for opt outs is 25th August). Jab passport decisions to be made in September, starting with the students – uni terms generally begin mid to end of the month. Smells fishy to me…
whats with the mask photo its no longer a legal requirement so why show a photo with him wearing the nappy?
Because prats like him keep wearing masks anyway. He thinks he is signalling vitue whereas we see him signalling pratishness.
There’s an Israeli inhaler treatment in clinical trials that appears to have a strong success rate at reversing the cytokine storm in advanced Covid, patients get rapidly better. Next stage would be FDA emergency approval later this year.
It will be extremely interesting to see how governments cope with an enforced change of narrative that vaccines are our only way out of this.
Governments may have successfully buried repurposed treatments but they may find it difficult to control a small team of Israeli scientists who will want to have the worldwide credit for ‘saving us from Covid’. They are unlikely to want to be bought out or bought off by the big pharmas.
BTW, I know there are existing protocols out there and I’m not endorsing new treatments over old (what do I know anyway).
I work in a patient facing role in the NHS. Yesterday I told my boss my mental health is deteriorating and one major factor causing suicidal thoughts it’s wearing a mask. She told me I can either wear a mask or I can’t work there anymore. How legal is this? Does anybody know?
Would your union help you?
Can you get yourself signed off medically if it is affecting you that much? I would feel exactly the same. It must be absolute hell to be forced to wear one all day – and I didn’t think anyone could be forced as this is all guidelines.
It’s not legal at all. If your circumstances mean you can’t do your job (in this case they changed the requirements) they have to offer you an alternative role. If no alternative can be found they would have to buy you off. It’s not possible to dismiss someone because the employer changed the terms of their employment. Stick to your guns.
Even the NHS has to recognize exemptions. I had a mammogram recently and the nurse didn’t have a mask on.
Re England only – The first thing I’d suggest is asking your manager for copies of any relevant policies – anything to do with pre-requisites for employment, vaccines, and organisational change. If you’re a union member it would be good to check with them what their opinion is, as they will have had to agree any policies in this area. Plus union membership does sometimes come with access to legal support. If you’re not in the union (and don’t want to join) then try ACAS or Citizens Advice but be mindful that ACAS is a Govt body and CA is a charity, so not entirely independent. Your employer can make changes in the workplace or to your T&Cs that render you unable to continue in your role, but in the public sector it’s very unlikely they’d be able to simply dismiss you without process. They could dismiss with notice if you’re genuinely at risk from wearing a mask and a resolution can’t be found (there’s not always a buy out either, sorry). Maybe ask if they would be happy to refer you to Occupational Health?
Great advice.
They cannot change your terms and conditions of employment unilaterally – your contract does not provide for wearing a mask. In addition you have the right to exempt yourself from wearing a mask.
You could also go on sick leave (very generous), however once you go on sick leave it is not always easy to come back
The author of this essay also writes very strongly on how to refuse to wear a mask.
I do hope this helps.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/07/allan-stevo/employer-wants-me-to-get-the-vaccine-what-do-i-do/
I’ve been innoculated. (I hate the word jab). That’s my choice but I absolutely respect the position of others if they don’t want to be. I certainly do not agree with conducting a campaign of harassment and forcing people to be innoculated. Its a one way street; where does it stop.
Hey Raab, why not just tattoo the refuseniks and make them wear a yellow star.
You utter bastard.
Disgusting. Students have no risk from C19, the jabs can kill them via dozens of different mechanisms, they’re totally experimental. This is evil on another level.
They’re printing laughably false bullshit like this:
Vaccines have prevented 22 million infections and 60,000 deaths, figures show
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newslondon/vaccines-have-prevented-22-million-infections-and-60000-deaths-figures-show/ar-AAMHVJw?ocid=wispr&li=BBoPWjQ
I’m surprised they didn’t go for 33 million infections and 66,600 deaths.
Recently I went to a supermarket and spoke to a young lad who it turned out worked there who was wearing a mask. I tried to try to say this was not necessary, he has no risk, they don’t work etc…….when he dropped a bombshell that they currently have 4 colleagues in hospital with coronavirus. I was taken aback and only afterwards did I think about ADE. Malone has said the ADE is most likely to occur when the vaxxs are waning about 6 months after injection so I’m going to head back there to see if I can get more information about what is going on there. Interesting scenario though because as I always thought during the first half of the madness, if there was to be any sign of a genuinely new and virulent virus, we would see evidence in the… Read more »
Interesting. We had one girl who “had to self-isolate” way back at the beginning, but she wasn’t tested so it could have been a cold. Since then NO staff in the supermarket or any other shops. I’ll ask next time I’m in.
You g man, young woman: DON’T go to the ‘university’ concentration camp. You will be bullied, cheated, deprived of everything that makes student life a positive experience, you won’t learn anything worthwhile, and you will be robbed blind.
Find something else to do. Like living.
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It’s nothing more than blackmail and coercion.
They demand you take an experimental gene therapy and use Government ID to prove it.
I wonder why health-fascism and eco-fascism are so often referenced together…
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-07-societal-approach-human-environmental-health.html
Oh, they’re the same fascists behind them both!
I wonder what 1st year university students studying biochemistry and Law students reading corporate litigation will feel when they investigate viruses and vaccines.
They are successfully grooming sectors of the public to the notion of rolling lockdowns. Watch out for climate versions when wind turbines don’t spin or solar storage batteries blow up at night.
You think the covid marketing couldn’t sink much lower? Check this one out on the BBC news website “Covid19: Vaccination plea after cancer surgeries cancelled”. A clear statement that this is due to people not getting vaccinated. Nasty, nasty propaganda.
It’s despicable
So, those with autoimmune disabilities, told by their doctors not to have the jab, must sweat it out. Their future is decided by a government who discriminates against them on grounds of their disability.
What exactly do you mean by “autoimmune disability” and do you have info that doctors are advising people affected by them against vaccination?
My wife started her new RA treatment this week, it clearly states that “you shouldn’t receive certain vaccinations as the drug suppresses your immunity. You need to consult your doctor first.”
Ah OK. Was asking for myself really. I’m not on immunosuppressants any more – have been in remission for 15 years, but found no useful info on whether either the vaccine or covid is a bigger issue for people with autoimmune disorders. I didn’t have RA, something a bit rarer that I’d rather not mention online.
From what I’ve gleaned so far, people with an autoimmune condition were NOT included in the trials (before the trials!) so we are the trial!
Indeed. Trouble is who would you trust to give you accurate data on outcomes for covid and covid vaccines for people with such conditions.
That probably refers to vaccines that contain attenuated live virus only.
Basically my nephew is in this position. He has an autoimmune condition. His immune system is too active. That is good in a way, in that he rarely gets ill because his immune system is so strong. But it means he reacts strongly to lots of things, often has flare ups, rashes and so on and this can be debilitating for weeks. He has reacted before to other jabs (maybe some ingredients in them) and yes, his doctor has advised him against the jab.
Thanks for the info; much appreciated. I’ve read that some of the deaths from covid have been due to the immune system going mad, so I’ve alwas been a bit concerned about that. My autoimmune episode may have been triggered by a virus. Very little is known about what trigger these things. I will take my chances for now with not catching covid or fighting it off, rather than prodding my immune system needlessly with an experimental vaccine. I was ill with something in Feb 2020, might have been covid, hard to tell.
This experimental gene therapy (aka covid ‘vaccine’) is known to cause autoimmune reactions. If already have an auto immune disease, do not take as it could cause current AI disease to get much worse or could cause additional AI diseases
I was just remembering my mother, who had Crohn’s disease (autoimmune). Back in the day when we had Smallpox vaccinations before going abroad, her arm would swell up like a rugby ball. Same happened when she was bitten by clegs. I was sad when she died but now I am relieved. She couldn’t have coped with this and the vaccine would likely have killed her.
Obviously the government will not be taking responsibility for any vaccine injury!
Yes, they will not!
The government will fight such claims with vigour and it will take many years. For a start doctors will deny that the experimental gene therapy (aka covid ‘vaccine’) caused the injury and as time goes on they will totally deny it.
The swine flu vaccine caused narcolepsy in children and adults.
Narcolepsy = permanent brain damage that causes a person to suddenly fall asleep at inappropriate times (the brain is unable to regulate sleeping and waking patterns)
In this case they had to take the Government to the High Court and a ‘settlement’ was reached 9 years later
Boy who said he developed narcolepsy after swine flu vaccine settles court case
https://www.buzzfeed.com/shaunlintern/these-nhs-staff-were-told-the-swine-flu-vaccine-was-safe
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“It’s a little bit of coaxing and cajoling… ”
And there you have it, so much for informed consent.
He will never be able to deny that he said it and knowingly coerced young people into having the experimental jabs. I hope he has deep pockets because if I was a young person who took the clotshot because of that coercion and had adverse reactions now or in the future I’d be going after him personally. He’s an even bigger idiot than I thought.
Health Junta members may find themselves getting a bit of “coaxing and cajoling” from the population they’ve made second class citizens in their social credit schemes.
Another name in the little black book. Their day will come.
Hmmm…
Three years of getting into debt in order to achieve a second class honours degree in film and media studies from East Bloxwich Polytechnic only to secure a job as a barista in the soon to be bankrupt Caffe Nero, while also receiving an injection which will make you ill to “protect” you against a virus which won’t make you ill.
versus
No vaccine, no debt and a proper job that starts now.
Not a difficult choice, you’d have thought.
Simultaneously, Dominic Raab is a retard and a totalitarian bag of shite.
With respect, I think that you are giving shite a bad name, he is worse than that!
life revolves around piss and shit, as my biology teacher said
Remember the days when the NUS represented students? I bet the leadership are all card carrying Nazi’s already.
I’d be telling my kids to hold firm and walk away in September if they try it.
take a year away from indoctrination and partying while building up debt and earn some money and learn about the real world instead…
I would too but it ain’t that easy. Our daughter has a place at one of the top 5 Unis in the UK to study science from this September. Its all that she’s wanted to do for quite some time and studied very hard to get to. A year off will do nothing but cause her a lot of pain and anguish.
She’s a bright kid and said to me the other day ‘its harder for someone with some knowledge of science to buy what they’re telling us’. She will more than likely end up taking it if she has to in order to go to Uni. Even though she knows that she doesn’t need it. What is more, she’s had covid and her antibodies were through the roof.
They’re blackmailing them pure and simple. Evil evil bastards.
I think taking a year out in the real world is a better proposition than risking permanently damaging your health for no reason other than appeasing our new Gods.
I do understand her predicament, one of my kids is a year behind her. I’m expecting that I’ll be giving my eldest the option to give their college the finger come September.
Thanks for the reply. Its such an insidious position that they’ve all been put in.
Invidious. Yes, awful position to be put in.
AN, I know it is very difficult but you must really do your best to stop your daughter having the jab. A year at her age might seem like a lifetime but no-one knows what effects these jabs will have on everyone, and particularly on women’s fertility, but once you’ve had it it’s inside you for life and there is no going back.
In any event, I strongly suspect the universities will be shutting their doors again at some point this autumn and the students will be left paying a fortune to be locked inside their halls of residence to study alone online. There are many reasons why your daughter should defer her place for year and watch (unvaccinated) the chaos unfold from the safety of her own home, but her future health is the most important.
If there is a contract signed between the students (or their legal representatives) and universities, students may be able to sue the university for blocking their access to the courses they paid for, since I highly doubt there is a vaccine clause in the contract if the contract was conceived prior to 2020. And even if there is, they can maybe claim a human rights violation under the Nuremberg Code, article 6, section 1.
But who are we kidding? Kids these days are such obedient woke sheep, they’re all probably vaccinated anyways cause TikTok told them to.
One of the universities’ representative bodies believes it’s illegal and is seeking advice on this, as once an offer to study has been made, conditional on certain grades etc, you can’t then make it conditional on something else, such as being vaccinated.
They have also reminded the government that students shouldn’t be treated differently or more harshly than other people.
I’d be interested in the demographics of unvaccinated 18-21 year olds. I’d expect it to be mostly white, middle-class people getting jabbed. Universities spend a lot of effort recruiting students from black and working-class communities, who don’t automatically expect to have a university education, and who I feel are less likely to have been jabbed. Therefore, making it mandatory to be jabbed to go to uni seems like it would reduce diversity and not increase vaccine uptake.