Introducing vaccine passports wouldn’t just create a two-tier society but would risk splitting the Conservative Party “irretrievably”, says the Conservative MP Steve Baker, warning the Prime Minister against proceeding with this “outrageous proposal”. Reports suggest that upwards of 42 Tories could vote against the Government’s plans in Parliament, but the deciding vote will likely lie with Labour. The Sun has the story.
Mr. Baker, Deputy Chairman of the Covid Recovery Group of Tories, told the Sun: “It is an outrageous proposal, and one that doesn’t seem likely to do any good.
“Who are they now trying to coerce? Whose education are they now trying to deny?
“I believe the Government is in terrible danger of splitting the Tory Party irretrievably – after all we have been through with Brexit.”
Tory MP Mark Harper said Number 10 is making vaccines compulsory through the back door by threatening to deny a university education to those who refuse.
He warned: “Persuasion is much better than coercion.” …
Professor Robert West, a behavioural scientist who advises the Government on Covid policy, warned the plan could spectacularly backfire.
He said: “Using a sort of stick approach as opposed to a carrot and stick approach, I think is a mistake.
“By and large, if we want to get people to do things, it’s far better to get them on board with the idea of doing it rather than getting them to do it because they feel they have to.
“When you do that you start to create resentment.” …
The PM’s spokesman said: “We are still looking at the scope for vaccination certification.”
While the Tory Party are at war over vaccine passports, Labour’s stance was mired in chaos and confusion.
Labour had suggested they could join Tory rebels to inflict a humiliating defeat on vaccine passports in the Commons when a vote on it is held in September.
But muddled Sir Keir Starmer today hinted he could back the plan. He told LBC: “What I don’t want to see, just to be very clear about this, is I don’t want to see vaccine passports used on an everyday basis for access to critical things like health, dentistry, food, etc.
“So, for sporting events, I’ll look at what the Government puts on the table.
“I want to be pragmatic because we all want all business sectors and sporting sectors to return as quickly as possible.
But not for everyday use.”
He also said vaccine passports must include the option to have a negative test instead.
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These totalitarian pigs that think they rule us will get their just deserts soon.
They ignore our basic right of choice.
They ignore the millions who have already had the virus and are natural immune, ( better than the vaccine)
They coerce pregnant women.
They coerce our children who are naturally immune.
They pretend the 1,400 deaths associated with the vaccine reported by the MHRA, along with the million adverse events don’t exist.
There will be retribution.
Another threatened Tory ‘rebellion? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
What’s he going to do? Blubber about it, then nod his head and go along with it, again?
Starmer is a complete idiot…allowing passports for certain venues is the thin end of the wedge…duh! He has to vote against it or we will end up like France. How did this man become the Labour leader?
I hope they will launch a leadership challenge to Boris before the vote on vaccine passports. I don’t think he will ever give up on his crazy lockdown and vaccine passport policies and has tasted too much of facist power to ever be trusted. If Tories realise that a split could doom them, that Boris might lose his seat at the next election (due to Travel industry voters in his seat, covered in one news article this week), and that the coming economic meltdown/ problems will make Boris a millstone round their neck…. then they’d realise that now’s the time to replace him with Rishi Sunak. And Rishi needs to get going on his plot because he won’t get another chance if he misses this one, as he will soon become an unpopular chancellor as economic reality bites.
ANY ‘passport’ introduced will not be the same in six months.
Negative tests will be taken away first.
Then it will be boosters and healthy eating etc etc
Remember: three weeks to flatten the curve
He’s right, it will split the party. I’m 68, a lifelong Tory voter. I voted Freedom Alliance at the last county council elections. Whilst the Tories head in this authoritarian direction, I will never vote Tory again. Thats if we actually have elections in the near future, once we are under a totalitarian One World Government.
“Tory MP Mark Harper said Number 10 is making vaccines compulsory through the back door by threatening to deny a university education to those who refuse.”
At least those who refuse won’t swell the ranks of the repugnant, woke, brain-washed little Phd turds that the university system seems to turn out these days.
If Steve Baker is serious he needs to put his money where his mouth is , he, Charles wheeler, Graham Brady etc should resign and form a new party, that would have the effect of shutting down Johnsons strength, and would provide the country with a new party representing those of us who are not supporters of the Chinese style communist state being introduced through the Comm sorry Conservative party.
Its useless keep voting against Johnson and the lickspittle crutch to him that is Keir Starmer, it achieves nothing. Johnsons leadership needs seriously wounding, the way to do it is for a mass resignation, that would shut him down once and for all, if Baker etc are not prepared to do it, they are just tap dancing.
In my opinion Johnson has gone completely doolally – I think its finally starting to dawn on people that the man has gone completely off the rails – nothing he says or does makes any sense anymore – he looks and sounds as if he is going to crack at any moment – judging by his appearance alone he looks a complete bloody mess – some say its staged but I don’t think it is I think its a sign that he sliding into mental illness – I don’t know whether he means what he says anymore – whether he is telling us what he really thinks or telling us what he is told to say – he seems to be all over the place – one minute we hear that behind the scenes Johnson is a liberal at heart and is sceptical of all this covid stuff but then he imposes vaccine passports and in front of the cameras he declares those who refuse the vaccine as nuts. He reminds me of Adolph Hitler during his last days in the bunker – rambling nonsense to anyone who will listen to him about final victories when the fact is that… Read more »
Reminds me of some footage of him dangling from a zip wire across the Thames, when he was promoting something or other. Might have been the Mayor of London then? Not sure.
What took you so long???
“I believe the Government is in terrible danger of splitting the Tory Party irretrievably”
And there it is.
For all he’s on the “right” side, his primary concern is not the country nor the people, it’s the “party”, the vehicle by which individuals like him are carried into power. And that’s all the matters to this bunch of gobshites we have in parliament. Individual or party power. The rest of us can burn as far as they are concerned.
I used to have some respect for Steve Baker. Now I just see him as a yapping Yorkshire terrier.
All he and the rest of the “rebels” so is lend the Conservatives a very thin veneer of respectability.
What should Baker do?
Letter to the 1922 to get rid of Boris.
There are already enough rebels that if they all did something would come close to the numbers needed to trigger a contest.
And when Johnson is gone, who takes his place? Then another letter?
What next? Labour?
Doesn’t neccesarily have to go – it triggers a contest which triggers debate and introduces accountability.
Whats the alternative? Do nothing at all and allow an increasingly authoritarian government to act with total impunity?
Well I think Labour are more deserving of our ire than Baker. They are, after all, the opposition.
Theyre not opposition. Theyre the rubber stamp.
Sets an example.
Blockchain appears to be the end goal, for that they need control, of the climate issues, the people and most importantly the Money
If Baker were to call for Johnson’s resignation in a piece in the Telegraph for example, setting out in some detail his failures as leader, that could do a lot of good. Character assassination is the way to go (not that you’d think Johnson would need any help beyond what he inflicts on himself). Even if Johnson held on for a bit longer, anything that can help remove him as soon as possible, or weaken his hand, is extremely valuable. We can’t afford any more of his mistakes (thinking beyond Covid, war with Russia over Ukraine for example, and net zero).
I wonder if Gove is damage goods by now. Javid might end up leader I bet (I suspect Javid does have an idea of the problems with the Covid narrative – he structured derivatives for an investment bank and that does require a certain amount of mental power.)
In my view the modellers and ‘scientists’ are the true villains. They have a duty to be disinterested and value criticism. In this they have comprehensively failed.
Most politicians, and this certainly includes Johnson and Starmer, may be good with words but are not intelligent in the way that matters. I… Read more »
None of them are that stupid. They know it’s all bollocks.
Calling for his resignation and explaining why might help, yes. I don’t know if he’d be expelled from the party for that. Possibly not.
I disagree. For practical purposes they are “stupid”. Even if they sat down for a day to focus on this issue, reading through the archives of this website, many of them would still just end up saying ‘good points I’m sure, but we are trying this tack now’. Of course, many of them don’t have the instinctive revulsion to the infringements on liberty that we have, and a casual approach to spending other people’s money, so there isn’t any real incentive for them to try and understand.
No big loss if the Tories split, to the contrary.
The segregation passports are a disgrace to the British people and to democracy here and elsewhere, in all forms and environments.
How an alleged human rights lawyer cannot see this is beyond me.
Every discrimination we are ashamed of today has been legal, consensus, demanded, introduced and cheered upon by the political, medical, media and business elites and practiced with enthusiasm by them, the state and the majority of the people.
The descendants of those people are ashamed for their ancestors now.
Starmer, Johnson&co and their descendants and this discrimination will be no exceptions.
If this was about vaccination and health, they would stick to jabbing the vulnerable only.
If this vaccination was about health at all, they would have everyone get a T cell immunity test before even contemplating to jab someone.
If any testing was about health, they would only perform, let alone mandate, a standardized non-invasive test on everyone, without any exception or distinction aka discrimination.
Correct. It would be logical to do blood tests first, then offer an infection mitigation drug (‘vaccine’) as the next step (assuming the tests were independent from certain drug companies, as it were). It would reduce the real risk to each individual, but would not be cheap, and all sorts of things would crawl out of the woodwork, which they (that is to say, the politicos) wouldn’t like the look of. Of course, the whole thing would be misappropriation of resources re. health care.
He talks a good game every single week (Harper too) but in reality have they sent letters in to the 1922 to remove Boris?
If the answer is no, they’ll all mouth and no trousers.
Why on earth would the Tories want to get rid of Johnson, and even if they did, who would replace him? Not a sceptic, for sure. Unless you think the rest of the Tories who have voted with the government are all secret sceptics itching to “come out”?
Anyone who cares about anything other than stopping this totalitarian tsunami doesn’t understand the historical moment we are in.
Any disruption will do at this point. Anything to throw these psychos off their game.
Yes, I think you’re right. It’s possible they think they can do more from the inside, but it seems like wishful thinking to me.
This isn’t about lockdown any more.
Its an increasing illiberal and authoritarian prime minister riding roughshod over everything. Aided by HM official opposition.
Something is needed to trigger debate and discussion which has so far been suppressed. A leadership contest can do that (and Johnson can stand).
Simply saying “i dont like that” whilst doing absolutely nothing about it as Harper and Baker are currently just makes it worse – it emboldens Boris.
He warned: “Persuasion is much better than coercion.”
Persuade a young person in good health, who has almost no chance of dying from the virus, to take an unnecessary clot shot? Why?
I could have sworn Labour were going to oppose vax passports on the grounds of infringement of liberties, and that is what swung the polls towards them last week. Did I get that wrong?
Starmer has ensured it will go ahead, Starmer is Corbynite scum.
Actually I think Corbyn would be against these
If Corbyn were against these, it would be entirely inconsistent of him.
He did vote against mandatory vaccination for care workers
Starmer has enough splinters up his a**se from fence-sitting to replace all the wooden benches in London parks. There have been many shallow politicians of little or no conviction, but Starmer is the finest epitome of them. I suppose he’s waiting to be told what to do by the next focus group or duff opinion poll he comes across. For all his vaunted cleverness, he comes across as one of the most stupid people that has ever led a party.
I like the Corbyn brothers myself.
Quick update on France. The Senate tried its best to water down the Macron edict, but most of its amendments were overruled by the government majority in the lower house. What’s left is not far off Macron’s original proposal , but with a date of 15 November when it ends without a new vote in Parliament. 50 people is the new ‘virus limiting number’ for retaurants bars etc. Shopping centres escaped. Macron’s latest words from the Pacific are those of a madman who believes he is a King rather than an elected official. The majority of French are now opposed to him , he is going for broke on behalf of his handlers.
Yesterday the ‘case’ numbers did not appear , they just have today. just over 5,000. The trend follows the UK albeit at a quite bit lower level. For this the French Parliament has agreed draconian totalitarian discriminatory legislation. It will not be forgotten. We cannot wait to escape our prison.
France has fewer “tests” so it has fewer cases in it’s manufactured casedemic.
There are currently over 430,000 per day, predominantly RT-PCRs, how many in the UK?
England since 1st of March 2021: 920,665 per day on average (median: 929,871)
and what is the CT rate used in these fraudulent RT-PCR mass testing?
An expiration date is a good thing.
I love this video, it is debateable what exactly the gesture was in aid of, there are one or two theories. Macrons dictats, though seem to have inspired it. The perfect gesture. fight shit with shit so to speak. Incredible how it was removed in the blink of an eye from YT
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/watch-french-farmers-pour-excrement-into-macron-s-residence_SNeJcbnQOUZhkuY.html.
After the stupidity of the last year, I think that the country deserves to be run into the ground by a “profligate” Labour regime.
As opposed to being run into the ground by a profligate Tory one?
Well, yes, exactly.
If you’re on the other side of that firehose of taxpayer’s wealth the state is directing at you, you’d keep quiet.
“Professor Robert West, a behavioural scientist who advises the Government on Covid policy, warned the plan could spectacularly backfire.
He said: “Using a sort of stick approach as opposed to a carrot and stick approach, I think is a mistake.
“By and large, if we want to get people to do things, it’s far better to get them on board with the idea of doing it rather than getting them to do it because they feel they have to.”
Jeez, they’re not even hiding it now! But if there’s a pandemic why are you trying to “Get people to do things” because surely they wouldn’t need coercing or even persuading! None of this is about health, and it never has been. It’s the complete opposite. Its always been about the ‘nudging ‘ people into completely changing their behaviour and mindset, for the “greater good” of course, in preparation to accept all the other digital passes and currency in the hallowed “Great Reset.”
And that is just the start of it….
Long and frightening article that seems to sum up what many on here feel
https://www.coreysdigs.com/technology/the-global-landscape-on-vaccine-id-passports-part-2-how-your-digital-identity-is-moving-to-the-blockchain-for-full-control-over-humans/
Baker often talks a lot of sense then he lets us down again and again.
It will be too late for many by the time the majority of the “tory” party wakes up. It won`t be long before most work places will insist on two jabs to enter the premises.
There needs to be an immediate cancellation of the hated vax passport scheme and and immediate cancellation of the vaccination roll out which is killing many thousands across the world.
Baker voted with the government a couple of times after he’d criticised them, but since then Baker and the rest of the sceptic wing have been pretty consistent in speaking and voting against every covid measure. What else do you think they could/should do, and what would be the consequences of them doing what you suggest?
Permanently split off from the party.
That’s their only option probably. A big ask, though I would do it if I were him (easy for me to say). Would it help? Maybe. It could form the start of a proper conservative party. It might encourage a few shy sceptics on the Tory benches.
My attitude on this is much the same as the one the generals in the first world war was towards the rank and file troops.
For them sending the troops charging at the guns was a shot to nothing. They were useless to them in any other capacity, so might as we’ll have a go.
Steve Baker is serving no useful purpose to me. I acknowledge he and the other 40 odd MPs breaking off is a long shot. But his political career is of no value to me, only to him. So it’s a shot to nothing for me. If he fails some other Conservative stooge will take his place and be as ineffective as Baker is now.
We need to call them what they are, Segregation Passports
Notice how this so called skeptic puts his party before the citizens he’s supposed to represent? Bastard.
OK, but what would you have him do? If he resigns the whip, he has no power to change anything and will out of the House come GE time.
I think we can say with confidence he has no power to change anything as demonstrated by his track record in the last 18 months.
Right, and you want to lower that even more. Makes no sense to me.
I think that his only decent option, if he believes what he says, would be to split and form a new Party – something for which the time is more than ripe.
People often use the pro vaccine argument of Polio. My grandparents knew people who had polio, my parents did too, it went on through generations and then, a vaccine worked on for years came along and polio became a distant memory. Covid on the other hand, appeared out of the blue, didnt affect the majority and all of the other life ending conditions like pneumonia vanished. The ‘vaccine’ also appeared and didn’t give immunity. How does anyone believe the spin? Is it all about ID, why dont they say. Why a medical procedure for ID, is it the only way they can coerce enough?
if this was really a deadly disease, you would not need laws to stop people mixing and going out – they would be in the bunkers. likewise, the vaccine would be a no-brainer for most. worth the risk.
i think the numbers on vaccinations are bullshit, especially with kids.
I also hear the same people comparing it it smallpox! Smallpox vaccination aka cowpox can be horrific for some and it was only necessary to give it to those at risk. When they’ve offered it to military/scientists the take-up has only been around 10%.
PHE runs the country of behalf of their University funders. Karmer is just installed controlled opposition. They want climate lockdowns, which after several lockdowns, the general population has been groomed for.
These same higher up’s advancing want to control State level energy to ‘save the planet’.
“ upwards of 42 Tories could vote against the Government’s plans “
Not exactly a convincing cry of freedom … and greased palms and threats will probably diminish that number.
Then we have the alternatives ….
gee, a whole 42 willing to vote for sanity.