Reports suggest that Boris Johnson could face a large revolt from his own MPs in a parliamentary vote on the introduction of domestic vaccine passports. But will it be enough? That likely depends on the Labour Party, which remains undecided. The Guardian has the story.
Tory MPs opposed to the plan for Covid passes to enter nightclubs and other crowded indoor venues said more than 40 Conservatives were prepared to defy the prime minister over civil liberties concerns, particularly as Number 10 has refused to rule out extending the passes to pubs and other sectors.
The scale of the rebellion could put any vote on a knife-edge if opposition parties also oppose the idea, which was proposed by Johnson on Monday in an extraordinary U-turn hours after clubs were allowed to open in England for the first time in 16 months.
At least 42 Tory MPs have signed a cross-party Big Brother Watch declaration against “Covid status certification to deny individuals access to general services, businesses or jobs” in recent months. More MPs privately told the Guardian they were unlikely to back such a move, especially if it remained a vaccine-only pass that did not recognise a negative test result or evidence of antibodies.
The issue is likely to be raised on Wednesday at a meeting of the new 1922 Committee of backbenchers, which is now led by three sceptics of Covid passports. Nusrat Ghani and William Wragg were elected as new Vice-Chairs on Tuesday, joining the longtime Chairman, Sir Graham Brady. On Tuesday some Tory MPs threatened to boycott the Conservative party conference in October over fears Covid passports would be required.
However, Keir Starmer is still undecided about which way Labour will vote, despite the party leader having previously suggested Covid certificates would be against the “British instinct”.
Labour shadow ministers were locked in talks on Tuesday about the party’s position and were expected to have made a decision by Wednesday morning. If they oppose the passports, Johnson could face defeat in the Commons as the Liberal Democrats are also opposed.
However, senior Labour figures are believed to have argued that the situation has fundamentally changed since the party first set out its position. Cases are soaring, and jabs are being offered to young people and pregnant women who otherwise might have been excluded, reducing the argument that they are discriminatory. Ministers have promised exemptions for those who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons.
Asked on Tuesday whether access to pubs and transport could eventually be subject to Covid passports, Johnson’s spokesperson said the Government was “going to use the coming weeks to look at the evidence, particularly both in the U.K. and globally before making a specific decision”.
Several Tory MPs spoke of their frustration. Sir Iain Duncan Smith, a former Tory leader, said the policy was “without logic”, especially as having two jabs was currently not enough for people to avoid isolating after exposure to Covid.
Steve Baker, one of the main opponents of Covid passports, said: “There is nothing I can do or Conservatives can do if Labour continues to decline to oppose the Government’s illiberal policies. This is really now all about Sir Keir, who described this policy as un-British.” …
One MP said they had “no doubt” Johnson would insist on vaccine passports for the party’s conference, and that “as a result, it shouldn’t come as a surprise if a number of Conservative MPs and activists refuse to attend”.
Worth reading in full.
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Hi Everyone, got this from the reddit site, so no credit to me but want to publicise it.
The American Frontline Doctors court case – the argument.
It is an excellent summation of all the scientific and medical arguments against the cabal’s case for depriving us of our rights on the pretext of a “pandemic” Everything that has been discussed here over the past two years contracted into one document.
I shall keep and use for reference against the brainwashed.
Why has there been nothing from Reiner Fuellmich? I have not heard of any actions from him yet.
Credit to the Americans for coming out fighting their case.
Wish I was in Texas. Found a dime (thought it was a 5p piece) on my English street yesterday, on the obverse it says “Liberty” I have become sentimentally attached to it and keep it on my shelf.
https://edcdeveloper.files.wordpress.com/2021/07/cdc-45000-covid-19-vaccine-deaths-law-suit.pdf
I don’t believe Labour will vote against vaccine passports. Smarmer won’t let them because he’s fully behind all restrictions.
Cue Labour trying to usher in Tony at the next general election and then he will bring them in as he wanted to when in power.
This idea will NEVER go away. We must ALWAYS DEFEAT the
ID CARDS, sorry, ‘Vaccine passports’, as they are a cornerstone to totalitarian control. To those who know what I mean by cornerstone will make the connection of the levers of power.We need to make the government smaller and smaller and let people become free again, there are groups that will always try to take control and they are often wolves in sheeps clothing. Don’t let them in.
Even if you think you are on their side, they don’t see you that way.
#BorisOut
They continue to play their mind bending games and causing a furore.
I suspect the ‘injected only’ stance will revert back to inclusion of the uninjected with proof of a recent negative ‘test’. The change will be that as all adults have now been ‘offered’ the ‘safe and effective’ route to restrained freedom via the questionable content of a syringe, the uninjected will have to pay for their ‘negative’ status tests to have a social life – work or play.
The objective being to make living a life as difficult as possible for those declining the injections, in order to break them and make them give in.
I wonder how many of those who previously came forward, offering their arms, are now regretting their impulsiveness? I wonder if any are recognising the burden they’ve put on themselves and society as a whole, by their actions in coming forward, when the plans for the ongoing ad infinitum injection farce were revealed? I wonder if any are reconsidering the (ill)informed consent they gave for the first and second jab and will decline future participation?
Or will their servitude continue and with it, the death of a free society?
Many of them won’t be regretting their impulsiveness on account of being dead.
In the old normal losing a vote in parliament due to the opposition AND a significant (30 or more) MP’s was usually the start of the beginning of the end.. the slow waddle toward a vote of no confidence.
But with Trilateral Rockerfeller Lockstep Kier and Boris in cahoots.. play pretending to be foes.. good cop and bad cop.. bad cop and bad cop.. we will do this, we won’t do this, we will do this, we won’t do this, we would have done it more, we would have done it better… in the new normal it is more likely that what they said they won’t do they will say later they will do.. unless it seems unpopular, in which case they’ll do something less severe and then build it bigger until..
Everything has been about the leak or announcement…to ascertain the reaction…bad reaction? Dilute the suggestion….then nudge nudge with the stasi nudge units, pry open the wedge.. and in small steps implement the original plan they leaked or announced.
Passports. No cars. No boilers. Stationary rotors on acres of windfarms.. insect burgers… inject children with sterility and heart damaging ‘medicines’.
“A spokesperson for the Labour Party has said it will vote against.”
That would be a first. You can bet your life they will spout some bullshit and then vote in favour.
So has the Labour Party really shown it is standing up for human rights? Excellent news if true.
” …the guardian has the story “
“steve baker says there’s nothing the conservatives can do “
It must surely be obvious to anyone these stories are just mass manipulation campaigns.
baker and the other handful of “rebels” are controlled opposition.
the political class on all sides want ID cards and population surveillance. What ever they say is all garbage .
the only way to stop this is with a new political party and a coherent message. Unfortunately most people will actually support the id card/surveillance agenda as being the only way to re establish “good social behaviour” , undocumented immigration etc and “tax fairness”
Delingpole has been out with the “boris is just following orders but doesn’t want to” BS.
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Late to the party today I know, but this initiative sounds like a classic ‘Overton Window’ in that the plan for a Vaccine Passport as such will, fo get parliamentary approval, likely be amended to something like the ‘Safepass’ in Cyprus where to qualify you need either to have been double jabbed, show evidence of a negative pcr test or provide evidence that you have had the virus and recovered in the last 6 months. This doesn’t make the prognosis any better as it’s clear now that the plan is to have a digital health and social passport as Mike Yeadon has been warning us all along.
You can find more about the situation in Cyprus here. https://cyprus-mail.com/2021/07/20/coronavirus-new-safepass-regulations-from-tuesday/
You need a ‘safepass’ to visit a bar, restaurant, supermarket and now it transpires, even to get on board a bus. This is what it might come to here, which is why this proposal must be strangled at birth. If it isn’t there will no going back from totalitarian control of our everyday life. If people don’t realise now that governments worldwide have have been subject to a globalist coup they never will. It’s quite clear that leaders of western democracies (that… Read more »
I’m shocked that Labour didn’t find some technical issue or claim it didn’t go far enough. This seems like good news.
And, most surprising of all, the statement actually makes sense. Count my ghast (doubly) flabbered!
Though I see from NonCompliant below that the flabbering was premature and normality has been restored amongst the so-called Opposition.
If Boris really is a sceptic and is against the measures, could this “u-turn” have been a tactical move? If and that’s still a big ‘IF”, this is defeated in the commons, it will be a defeat for the slippery pig, but it might mean he can use it as ammunition against the opposition, should they begin to push for more measures later in the year.
It also means he can turn to the Bill Gates types around the world and say ” Sorry…something in Latin…it was the oiks in Parliament what did it. My hands are tied on the digital ID you wanted…something else in Latin”
If he really was a closet anti lockdowner..
Well – if the Labour benches do act as an opposition for once – then that’s an improvement.
But this should never have been in question, and nor should other votes that hacked away at fundamental issues of rights and ethics.
What worries me is that this is likely to be a pragmatic decision rather than a clear statement of principle.
Now. How will the vote work on the Tory side?
Starmer knows there’s no appetite for more apps controlling our lives. The pingdemic is the news this week.
Oh! The decision lies with the communists! That makes it so much better!
Although, to. be honest, there’s no party in parliament that would make me feel any better about this
“The decision lies with the communists!”
Is there a 77th Brigade competition going on for who can make the sceptical cause look the most stupid?
It would be more accurate to say that the decision has always lain with the usual suspects – the barking right wing Tory fascists!
This “You’re all communists!” vs “You’re all nazis!” is the petty change of American interior politics “debate”. IMHO, it is advisable to stay clear of it. Even if the labels were accurate, shouting them wouldn’t accomplish anything (sensible).
I disagree. People should be able to discuss their theories on here without the threat of being shouted down and insulted by RickH every time the word communism is used.
Triggered again.
What a difference 30 minutes makes !
Clearly they went “off narrative” and then received a phone call on the red phone.
Klaus&Bill told Tony to make a phone call and use language so that even Diane Abbott can understand that vaccine passports were, are and will remain the SOLE point of the whole plandemic and of the ‘vaccines’.
It seems they’re opposing vaccine passports, but not checks for entry into large venues.
Either that, or Starmer is going to pick the splinters out of his arse, while he thinks about it a bit more.
Bribane announced as host of 2032 olympics. They’ll still be in lockdown surely!
Well it might be a version of Paralympics because most of the “athletes” will be disabled.
All world records should indeed be safe from now on…
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BREAKING: Labour are now actually not ruling out vaccine passports for nightclubs and big venues:
“Let’s see what the government comes forward with”
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1417871104387989507
LOL!
Maybe they got the impression that enough Tories would rebel to block it. They probably want to be seen opposing the government but not actually block covid safety measures
That didn’t take long. Bliar must have been under orders to nip this in the bud pronto.
It’s good to see that Labour has decided to not write another suicide note and made the first effort since the GE to stay relevant instead.
But my hunch is unfortunately that they have likely calculated and been signalled that not enough Tories will rebel anyway- win/win for both parties and their true masters.
And then another box of the Pandora will be opened to abolish ever more freedoms, which they and the deep state/civil service just love to do.
A turn-up for the books! Maybe positive news – but who knows. This just in from The Telegraph:
Breaking: Labour will oppose domestic vaccine passportsIn a move certain to delight rebel Tory MPs and hospitality businesses, Labour has confirmed it will oppose the Government’s plans to bring in mandatory Covid vaccine certification for nightclubs and other crowded venues this September.
A Labour spokesman said: “It’s costly, open to fraud and is impractical. Being double jabbed doesn’t prove you aren’t carrying the virus.”
extraordinary – labour have come out with something sensible – they will no doubt retract it later
labour knows boris intends to include tests – now it will look like another uturn when he makes his move – he’s been out played
I bloody well hope it’s true, but seeing is believing.
They obviously believe the vax pass is fine if a negative test or previous infection is accepted – NO IT IS NOT
Having to prove your health status by any bloody means is not acceptable – no matter what your sex, gender, race, religion or bleedin IQ
I will believe this when it happens.
Labour got a bung from a testing manufacturer then.
Oh yes, great news !
BUT where do you suppose this next twist in the plot goes ??
You only have to look at the disaster at DVLA to work out that the Government would fail dramatically in their vaxx passport schemes. I apologise for polluting the site with a BBC link 🙂
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57916619
For what it’s worth a Starmer spokesman has been quoted as saying:
“We oppose the use of Covid vaccination status for everyday access to venues and services… Testing for access to venues would be more efficient, and would give people and businesses more certainty”
And the article has now been updated at the end along the same lines
Well, except that it wouldn’t: The outcome of a test made five minutes in the past says absolutely nothing about the present state. This would just suck more healthy people into the “COVID statistics” machinery and thereby help strengthening the “case” for closing everything down again.
If you support the Tory party you’re my enemy.
I dont support any major political party at the moment, they’re all a shower of shite – and i don’t like your pies either
You should have considered my feelings when you wrote that last part mate
I did
Stikes me at the moment, that the Tories are shite *and* less competent, whereas Labour would be shite *and* more competent. So on that basis alone, the Tories get my vote.
‘Bing news’ today ran a headline saying ‘Young people behind vaccine passports’, according to a yougov poll. In fact, the yougov poll reported 53% of 18-25s behind them. That’s no surprise, as it probably reflects the number of people in their early 20s that have had the jab. However, 47% – almost half- of young people are NOT behind vaccine passports. They don’t want them. Now, I think the half that ‘do’ are going to be less bothered if they’re not introduced than the half that ‘dont’, who will be VERY bothered, and will never forget a political party that allowed to be voted in something that would effectively coerce, pressure them into having a medical procedure that can never be reversed, that they did not want, nor need. This is a turning point in history – I pray that Labour this time can OPPOSE.
Well I don’t suppose anybody here is in any doubt about the way Starmer will go and therefore the rest of his flock.
If we can keep the fascists at bay here, at some point in the future we may have to liberate France again
So how do we keep them at bay?
How can we do that when 95% of the population think that BIG BLUBBER is working tirelessly to preserve them from a dreadful death?
They have to keep shuffling the cards: passports will be withdrawn, only to be required in theory later, all to cloak the insanity and ineffectiveness of the covidian ideology. Do we truly believe that this parliament can do what is right and necessary? At what point do we go beyond deploring it and start organising an alternative political movement with teeth?
Congratulations: 109 votes within 3mins… I wonder if can can share some of your power to propel important petitions?
It would be nice to see my other comments published (as opposed to disappearing)
Whoop – 69 for me within 3mins haha 😀
LOL – is this how ipsos mori polling works
It didn’t like you saying that – downvoted you 24 times LOL 😀
I feel like we’ve already started the social credit system!
lots of LOL
Some of you might have seen this, but here’s a good interview from Michael O’Bernicia about how his case against Hancock, Ferguson, Vallance and Witty is evolving to now include new evidence of Hancock openly admitting to killing over-65s in care homes with Midazolam and Morphine at the start of the shitshow:
https://youtu.be/IU3PDDQQAgs
And here’s the video of Hancock dropping himself in it (which Bernicia believes is the reason he was forced to quit – ie, the ‘romance’ was completely staged (spotted by few of us here)):
https://youtu.be/5kvJgAMDeWg
I have a feeling the govt are going to “compromise” and have the pass accept negative tests and prior infection. Classic negotiating technique.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-55718553
You can get the NHS Covid Pass either:
ie just report a LFT negative on the website. of course this is only a temporary solution if you really need to attend something. the real evil has to be fought every inch of the way
Yes, but Johnson has specifically said this will be vaccine status only. No negative test results or prior infection. Just vaxxed.
I think this is a coercion tactic to get the young to go for their jabs – Stamers was quite clever opposing it because he knows it will look like a boris u turn when tests and previous exposure are included
Criminals all of them. It will get passed. All this is just theatre to make out like there is some deicison making going on. We all know the aim is implement full digital ID starting with these “vaccine” passports. Starmer is part of the theatre and is on the trilateral commission.
I dunno man, there is a big Tory backbench revolt. If Labour help pass this, then they are finished. Finished, I tell you.
Have you counted the threatened Tory ‘rebellions’ since May tried to thwart the Brexit referendum result? There must have been a dozen and none has happened.