A snapshot of data from the beginning of the month in Israel suggests that the Pfizer vaccine is not protecting against infection now the Delta variant is in town, with infections in the vaccinated across all age groups being no less than you’d expect if the vaccine did nothing.
Could there be another explanation here? Possibly. It’s only a snapshot. What if infections in the unvaccinated peaked earlier than in the vaccinated, as ZOE data at one point showed happening in the U.K.?
Talking of ZOE data, in the middle of last week the study updated its methods (described here) which had the result of completely removing the peak in the unvaccinated infections and replacing it with the opposite, a further climb (see below, the old method put the peak around July 1st).
It’s hard to know what to make of such a radical change. One of the main takeaways for me is that it’s difficult to see how one can really trust ZOE data now or rely on it for anything. If it can change so radically from one day to the next, overturning the former trend, then how can it be relied on at all? If it was so wrong before, what confidence should we have that it’s correct now? It’s hard to shake the feeling that it was changed because it didn’t look right to someone, and was changed until it looked right. They even state: “We can see our updated methods align more closely to trends observed in Government confirmed cases.”
But back to Israel. New statistics from the Israeli Health Ministry are not quite so alarming as the above snapshot suggests, but they’re not far off. They suggest that the Pfizer vaccine is only 39% effective against the Delta variant, dropping to 16% for those vaccinated in January. The Times of Israel reports:
New Health Ministry statistics indicated that, on average, the Pfizer shot — the vaccine given to nearly all Israelis — is now just 39% effective against infection, while being only 41% effective in preventing symptomatic Covid. Previously, the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was well over 90% effective against infection. …
The Israeli statistics also appeared to paint a picture of protection that gets weaker as months pass after vaccination, due to fading immunity. People vaccinated in January were said to have just 16% protection against infection now, while in those vaccinated in April, effectiveness was at 75%.
Doctors note that such figures may not only reflect time that has passed since vaccination, but also a bias according to which those who vaccinated early were often people with health conditions and who are more prone to infection, such as the elderly.
While it may be true that the more frail were in the earlier cohort, even so 16% is very low, frail or not, and that will be an average, with some higher than that (the less frail among the early vaccinated perhaps) and some lower still.
A new study in the Lancet has shown that antibodies from the vaccines notably decline over the course of three months (see below), which may support the idea of declining efficacy over time – though as the authors point out, antibody levels don’t by themselves determine real world effectiveness because “memory B-cell populations appear to be maintained”.
Some Israeli scientists are unhappy about the way the data is being used by their Government to imply that boosters and new restrictions are needed, saying the definition of serious illness has been changed and the statistics, which are dealing in small numbers, don’t take into account the different propensity of vaccinated and unvaccinated people to be tested for Covid.
Others, however, are sceptical about the efficacy of the vaccines. The modelling team at University College London is now working on the assumption that the vaccines have basically zero effectiveness against infection by the Delta variant. However, they also somewhat incongruously assume they are 85.5% effective at preventing transmission. Neither figure is supported by any obvious references so it’s not clear how seriously to take these estimates.
Meanwhile, the team at Public Health England (PHE) has had its study on vaccine effectiveness against the Delta variant published in the NEJM. The pre-print estimated AstraZeneca effectiveness (two doses) against infection with the Delta variant at 59.8%, but with new data this is up to 67%. It estimates Pfizer efficacy against Delta at 88%. Why this is so different to the latest Israeli data (39%) has been a matter of some discussion. The Swiss Doctor (SPR) suggests it is because the PHE data is out of date, coming from April and May when prevalence was low. The infection rate in the unvaccinated will also be skewed upwards by the cohort being younger (younger people have higher infection rates regardless of vaccination status) and it’s unclear how fairly PHE’s adjustments have allowed for that.
Separately, it was reported last week that Australian socialite Anthony Hess, who is fully vaccinated, spread the virus to 60 people during a busy weekend in Los Angeles, most of whom were also fully vaccinated. However, Hess didn’t develop symptoms until several days later and L.A. is currently experiencing a surge so it’s not clear how it can be known that Hess was the index case for all the other infections. Nonetheless, the fact that most of those infected were fully vaccinated illustrates the lack of protection provided by vaccination.
The Swiss Doctor argues that while the vaccines’ effectiveness against infection looks to be fairly weak, effectiveness against serious disease and death is more robust. This can be seen, for example, in the graphs below, where the proportion of hospitalised cases seems heavily dependent on the vaccination coverage (though a confounder may be how large earlier waves were).
The sharp drop in the proportion of older people being hospitalised since spring in the U.K. (the 65-84 cohort’s share has dropped from 40% to 22% while the 18-64 cohort’s share has grown from 37% to 64%) is also an indicator of protection from serious disease (see below), as older people have higher vaccine coverage.
A recent piece on the Daily Sceptic suggested that evidence from the ratio of the positivity rate to the hospitalisation rate in Scotland shows the vaccines are not reducing serious illness. However, this assumes that there are no confounders in the positivity rate for the recent surge, when in fact there may be, not least the huge increase in mass lateral flow testing since March. This would depress the positivity rate (as more healthy people are being tested even though they are unlikely to have it) and so would give a false impression that the infection-to-hospitalisation ratios of the earlier surges are being matched.
The evidence is now mounting that the vaccines are not as effective at preventing infection as the trials and other early studies indicated, not least the big outbreaks in highly vaccinated countries such as Bahrain, Seychelles, Maldives and Chile. This incidence data is supported by the fact that the vaccines don’t produce mucosal IgA antibodies, which are known to be important in combatting infection in the early stages. However, the vaccines do produce IgG antibodies in the blood and also to some degree a T cell response, which may explain their apparent efficacy against serious disease and death.
Unfortunately, the growing evidence for the lack of vaccine efficacy against infection and transmission is leading many to conclude that vaccine boosters and more restrictions are needed in the face of the Delta and other variants. But this is the wrong conclusion.
The most important conclusion should be that vaccination offers little to no benefit to other people, so no one (least of all children) should be vaccinated in the wrongheaded belief they will protect others. Neither can there be any justification for coercing the population to be vaccinated through vaccine passports and the like, as vaccination is a personal choice that protects the vaccinated person only.
The fact that the vaccines appear to prevent serious disease and death should be sufficient to allow life to return to normal now that all the vulnerable are vaccinated. In truth, even if the vaccines didn’t prevent serious disease we should return to normal because there is no evidence restrictions are effective in reducing infections or deaths. And even if restrictions were effective there is no evidence they do more good than harm. And even if there was such evidence that doesn’t mean the state is entitled so egregiously to suspend the population’s liberties indefinitely to prevent the spread of a relatively mild (fatality rate under 0.1% for most of the population) contagious disease. But those are arguments for another time.
We locked down last winter to wait for a vaccine. Now we have our vaccine, we must return to normal, before lockdown becomes a way of life, and humanity becomes stunted by its own disproportionate fear of disease and death.
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a tragedy if double-vaxxed should die from the disease they’ve been inoculated against?
world.
This isn’t particularly funny. The people who desparately want a pandemic have been playing this Just a few more jabs needed, and then … game since December last year, IOW, this is another pretty transparent attempt at creating an endless pandemic simulation by claiming that it’s imperative to combat a pandemic with means which demonstrably don’t work.
It is hard not to have a “serves ’em right” mentality – given the insults they dish out from a morally superior point of view.
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That’s an understandable sentiment. OTOH, one of my all time favorite quotes (usually attributed to Otto v. Bismarck) is Vox populi, vox Rindvieh, a cacography of the Latin Vox populi, vox dei which roughly means the collective wisdom of a mass of people on any particular topic isn’t signficantly different from the collective wisdom of a herd of cattle: Ask them for their opinions on any topic and the result will be a loud mooing.
I don’t maintain that this doesn’t apply to me on most topics as well
and in any case, that’s a property of people one needs to take into account. Chastizing them for it may be entertaining but ultimatively, useless. Technically, the vaccinated are victims who were cajoled into agreeing to an injection whose only guaranteed property is that it will cause an amount of harm its inventors consider, well, harmless, in exchange for idle promises: It won’t stop you from getting sick, it won’t prevent others from getting infected and it won’t stop us (ie, the people responsible for this farce) from trucking on as if nothing had happened.
Problems caused by bad leadership can’t be solved by getting mad at the misled.
But that is just playing into the hands of Johnson and his crew, he wants segregation, he wants us to turn against one another, because that way through division he can control. The trick is not to see each other as the enemy, we need to hold together and face the real enemy.
Agreed
Additionally the power brokers depend on a divide and conquer approach amongst the citizens. Vaxed vs Unvaxed antagonism is a gift to the NWO wannabe dictators.
you are 100 percent correct, we must stand together and resist
imperative to combat the pandemic which never existed in the first place
With The Great Bozo as the ringmaster.
The Daily
MailNudgeSomeone who died with the presence of the virus is a Covid victim now apparently.
In NZ if you are gunned down on the street you are a victim of covid
https://youtu.be/HI2joNg5HTw
We had similar in this country last year – wasn’t there at least one case of someone who had recovered from mild Covid being listed as a ‘Covid death’ when they died in a car crash a while later?
That’s nothing The severed big toe of an Australian shark attack victim, tested positive for covid & was classed a covid death, and he hadn’t even died!
Beware the Covvishark,
Ten times deadlier than the Snark.
The rest of you may get away
But your Covvitoe will stay
Paralysed and numb
In the Covvisharky’s tum.
But what about the toe, did it survive?
Whilst I feel sorry for the guy that was killed you do have to laugh at the insanity of his death being labelled covid.
Yes – the usual definition of a “death with Covid” is someone who has died after testing positive for SARSCoV2, regardless of whether that virus ever caused them any difficulties whatsoever, and regardless of whether they ever had an illness that might be classified as Covid, which is a type of pneumonia.
That’s why the government and experts keep going on about “the data”. It’s like when a tradesman keeps assuring you he’s not lying to you.
So if you died with presence of vaccine. Ditto?
Coincidentalideath.
…or, “Coincideath“. We should coin that.
That has been the case from day 1. No one can tell you exactly how many died FROM covid. You can bet it’s really small proportion of the total they keep talking about.
Now there’s a good figure. A manageable sample of 47 to be subject to full post-mortem analysis and description.
What might be revealed?
And after people in their fourties were offered a third round of the same old jab and teenagers got their second doses, so-called vulnerable people who still didn’t have the decency of removing themselves from the group of possible virus carriers by dying will be offered their fourth same-old jab, teenagers will get third doses and the booster circus will generally start over. All voluntary, of course, just under the constant threat of restrictions if not enough people come forward to get injected just once again.
A vaccine which doesn’t really work is a perfect, eternal money-making machine for the people who sell it.
Didn’t someone recently write that the clown with the mop on the head somehow turned into a political leader comparable, at least somewhat, to the gouvernor of Florida? Still convinced of that?
Was going to write something similar but you beat me to it. When are the fanatical jabbees going to realise they will NEVER be fully “vaxxed”! That is the point of all this! Miss one and you’re right down the bottom of the snake, and will be regarded as unvaxxed as all the fully unvaxxed! You’ok never comply your way out of this!
Margaret Thatcher appears to Boris Johnson in a dream…
“Privatise the NHS and paint the Houses of Parliament green!” she says to Johnson
Johnson looks confused; “Why green?”
Thatcher smiles, “I knew you wouldn’t object to the first part”
Revelation 13:16-17.
Ah yes! The mark of the beast…
Called it. “No more lockdowns!” right up until “We cannot rule out lockdowns.” which will turn into “We need lockdowns.” They’re trying to pretend like this wasn’t the plan from the start.
And predicted it wouldn’t happen until after COP26.
I don’t understand. The vaccines were miraculous. They broke the link between infections and hospitalisations and death. I’m stunned, what happened? How? Double vaccinated might die? How could it be?
It’s going to be a real spectacle watching people who have been going on about these miraculous vaccines go into logical contortions to deal with the cognitive dissonance this produces.
The Austrians have shown us one way – blame the unjabbed. I wonder if that will catch on here too soon.
Doublethink makes its appearance here – if you question a vaxxer they will often concede the point that the vaxxes don’t appear to be doing what they are claimed to do – but then go on to insist that everyone who is “offered” a “booster” must have to to “keep people safe”…
They’ve been building up the pressure on, and opprobrium towards, us unvaccinated for months.
Cognitive dissonance will win the day. Our brains are good at it.
Nah, they won’t be doing any logical contortions because for them this is not a logical argument. We are trying to reach a rational conclusion about what the best choice is and what the data indicates. For them, this is an emotional conclusion. For them, this isn’t about infection rates, or how many vaccinated people are in hospital with covid. For them, this is about not killing grandma, about not killing people, about saving lives, about some friend of theirs that died, about someone close to them that was in hospital. You can cite all the numbers you want, they do not care about numbers. All they know is that this thing is dangerous and it could kill us all. When you will try to prove that wrong, they will revert back to saving people’s lives.
I have seen it. There is no logic to them that you can challenge. The people coming at this with logic, reason, and knowledge are all already on our side.
Ask them simple questions. Demonstrate to them how little they know.
What happened? They didn’t test the vaccines. That’s what happened. We (but not I) are one big experiment.
and then the locking down will be blamed on the unjabbed – wonder do the 2xjabbed realise they will fall into that category until they get boosted?
Liked this comment : What a dilemma the government faces. Trying to convince the unvaccinated that the vaccines work and to get jabbed and at the same time trying to convince the double vaccinated that they need to get the booster because their previous two jabs don’t work.
To me, the only rationale politicians have for spouting such patently absurd and contradictory crap as this is to play for time.
Of course to do anything else would correctly be seen as admission of abject knee jerk incompetence on an industrial scale but also I sense some desperation at the realisation of the implications of a statistically significant (and somehow still healthy) unspiked population Vs a spiked and relatively less healthy majority.
This potentially raises the game from guilty of career threatening overreaction/incompetence to outright evil alongside the worst in history.
“Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad”.
One aspect of the holocaust that I think isn’t considered enough is that the Nazi’s didn’t adopt the Final Solution because everything was going according to plan, but rather because they were struggling to deal with the mess they had created for themselves.
Governments are now about to face a real challenge. Everything that they have done has been a complete failure – lockdowns, social distancing, masks, vaccines, vax passports – and they are increasingly spinning out of control. This is the moment when things can start getting very ugly, as the Austrians have just begun to show.
It’s also notable that what remains of the restrictions / guidance are widely ignored – I’ve been on trains today and despite the passive-aggressive annoucements and signs it’s clear that muzzle wearing is well down from even a couple of weeks ago, both on the trains and in the stations. I walked through a shopping centre in a large city, and despite notices saying that muzzles are still required in there the reality was that hardly anyone was wearing one, and there was no attempt at any enforcement.
Unfortunately that could all change, of course – if the governemnt says that everyone must wear muzzles to protect the NHS and save Christmas the sheep will comply!
Someone needs to ask Jesus about that saving Christmas thing…
Christmas is not a Christian festival. He wasn’t born then.
U toooo smart!
Not a Christian festival? Why’s it called Christ Mass, then?
?? The “final solution” was the mass murder of Jews, especially after military setbacks in the Ukraine, for which Jews were blamed. I’m not sure, but the phrase “final solution” may also have been used for the mass murder of other ethnic groups such as Romany people.
But that wasn’t the first time the Nazis carried out mass murder. The “holocaust”, if one can use that phrase for Nazi mass murder all told, did NOT begin with the Jews (although Jews had been deprived of citizenship, arrested, chased out, fired from employment, beaten up, etc.). The holocaust began with the PHYSICALLY AND MENTALLY DISABLED, carried out for “racial hygiene”, or if you like, “long-term public health” reasons. “Racial hygiene” means “cleansing the race”. A specific phrase the Nazis used was “euthanasia”, meaning a “good death”. Medics were crucial to this policy. If you can find a single medic who objected to the policy, please post his name in reply to this message.
It is crucial to know all of this in order to apply the “first they came for the…” line when it should be applied, which is as early as possible.
As I have said before, many residents of care homes are among the most isolated and vulnerable members of society.
I suppose what is worth bearing in mind is that they didn’t start with mass murder. They worked up to it, driven largely by the escalating pressure of the consequences of their mad ideas.
It frightens me that the measures they have been forcing on us for the last 18 months have stemmed from mad ideas such as
(a) we can control the spread of the virus that has made its way around the world by locking people up in their homes and making them cover their faces with cloth masks.
(b) we can claim that the virus is biggest threat in a century to our health while we publish statistics that show it is no more dangerous than a flu for most people..
(c) we can produce a vaccine based on a completely new technology in six months and roll it out to the entire world without any negative consequences.
(d) we can make normal daily life conditional on being jabbed on the premise that it makes other safe while at the same acknowledge that our jabs don’t stop infection or transmission.
Such forceful actions based on insane ideas don’t bode well for the future.
The nazis ramped up the slaughter of Jews, and others, more and more as the war turned against them even to the extent of diverting scarce resources away from the front line in favour of prosecuting the Holocaust.
Some have said that the ‘final solution’ was a result of the war, others that the war was conducted in order to wipe out Europes Jews so as they saw defeat looming the nazis wanted to murder as many Jews as possible before themselves being overwhelmed.
Star is correct in noting that the Nazis killed opponents, other ethnicities and performed euthanasia well before the Holocaust officially started in earnest, with the massacre of the Jews in Ukraine in 1941 being the first industrialized operation in that regard of which mankind became then so shocked.
The Wannsee conference took place in January 1942. And only then/half a year later did Jews abroad learn and understand what’s going on (see Hannah Arendt interview with Guenter Gaus).
The language of it is disguising the real intention and by then already made decision, emigration was no longer really an option.
We will never know what Hitler&co really thought, whether the Holocaust was their real intention from the start, whether they would have let them live and work for them in the East, if the war had gone more successfully, or whether they seriously would have been satisfied with sending all Jews to Madagascar, if they had had more time or won the wars.
They certainly advertised only the latter and even the ever more anti-semitic brainwashed or convinced German population would not have supported that mass scale annihilation before the war started to turn bad for it.
https://m.bpb.de/politik/hintergrund-aktuell/240926/wannseekonferenz
> cover their faces with cloth masks.
They’re not even masks, they’re sold and described as face coverings. The reason is solely to keep the anxious terrified of this new Health Hobgoblin.
These aren’t ideas.
They are deliberate lies, known to them from the start.
And lest we forget, every provision of the ECHR granting us “rights” has an exception for “public health”.
Yes. What we have seen is the massive distortion of that proviso that was meant only for dealing with potential biological catastrophe.
Yes. Do Not Resuscitate notices served on the mentally ill, the severely autistic, without the consent or relatives. Plus nursing home drug deaths and ventilating the frail.
They started with the disabled.
But that’s the NHS for you.
It was with great reluctance that they gave up their Liverpool Care Pathway to death.
This perspective is important, because the real ‘holocaust denial’ has been to blank out other groups who also suffered – which raises a ‘Why?’ question.
The Jews suffered the highest absolute death toll, but it was the Romany groups that suffered the largest proportional ethnic extermination. And then, as said, there were the earlier political and ‘medical’ victims.
Then there was the death toll of Russian civilians – somewhat different in nature, but the largest single mass slaughter of the war.
I’ve never understood this selectivity of memory, beyond the fact that the horror is easier to capture.
It’s important, because it puts the predations of totalitarianism into a wider context of overlapping monstrosities that should never be forgotten, and counteracts the safety mechanism of seeing it as a one-off exclusive attack on one ethnic group that ‘wouldn’t happen here’.
‘Lest we forget’ seemed pretty fatuous at the Remembrance ceremonies. Many seem already to have forgotten the real import that led to the Nuremberg Protocols etc.
Hancock wanted to give the elderly in care homes a good death too.
And the members of SAGE continue to plot and plan more psychological abuse, safe from the gaze of the public in their Cotswolds cottages.
Might as well have three “doses” (doses?!) in one go and be done with it. Wait, no, four doses, five doses, 46 doses, daily doses, hourly shots, put me on a dose drip…
Thank you.So bloody true. Even the flu jab is only meant to be ONE jab a year. people have basically had 2-3 jabs in six months. It’s utter lunacy. It’s a shame how Johnson lost his balls so long ago. If only we had a sensible, politician who could create a path out of this madness.
ONE jab maybe, but 3 or 4 elements….
The unjabbed may be coerced, but they won’t be convinced.
And trying to pretend the Yellow Card Reporting System doesn’t exist, saying the vaccine is “safe and effective”.
and saying the booster is going to “save” the already 2xjabbed from covid death.
Where is the ASA / OFCOM when you need it??
The question that’s growing in my mind is “Does the vaccine and/or booster long-term or permanently limit, degrade or destroy our natural immunity?”. If so, we are in serious trouble.
Very Pythonesque; I can visualise Ronny Barker doing one of his tongue twisting monologues by a “Pompous Person” from the Ministry of Pisspronunciation delivering this bollox with a very straight face.
But it ain’t funny really, is it? “I know my place….”
Dear Pig Dictator
Wearing a bit thin now
Hope your ADE is better soon
Ces
LOL!
Fuck off Johnson.
Our healthcare system is about to experience a tsunami! Potential side effects of jabs include chronic inflammation, because the vaccine continuously stimulates the immune system to produce antibodies. Other concerns include the possible integration of plasmid DNA into the body’s host genome, resulting in mutations, problems with DNA replication, triggering of autoimmune responses, and activation of cancer-causing genes. Alternative COVID cures EXIST. Ivermectin is one of them. While Ivermectin is very effective curing COVID symptoms, it has also been shown to eliminate certain cancers. Do not get the poison jab. Get your Ivermectin today while you still can! https://ivmpharmacy.com
what have plasmids got to do with anything? They’re found in bacteria
Well, one can only hope.
I’ve been an IVM fan for a long time now, but that link looks dodgy. Has anybody here actually used it? The reviews are all internal . . . and extremely positive.
Sorry, I don’t feel like getting it this time. But if you take the 15th now, Prime Minister, I’ll think about it.
Has anyone done a study into the effects of having regular rna ‘vaccines’!? If we are all going to have to go 6 monthly rna covid jabs from now till the end of time (as looks likely) the constant interference with the human bodies cells bodies (been told to make a spike protein and do something they were never designed to do) could have serous long term health implications.
No. Anything beyond two doses is a real human experiment originally started in Israel which didn’t have any clinical testing. With every injection, the artifical (mRNA) or real (vector) viruses will infect and reprogram some cells which will end up being killed by the body’s immune system which will cause a certain amount of damage to it the people behind the jabology consider tolerable.
I’m in my thirties so my chances of making a full recovery from Covid are better than 99%. This is madness! Why can the majority of the population not see it!
I am in my 30’s and have had covid. It wasn’t that bad. It felt like a very heavy cold. Flu was much worse. The only odd thing about covid is that I have lost my smell and it hasn’t returned after three months. Apparently I’m considered a long covid case. I don’t consider myself that though.
I had loss of taste but it came back on the next day. Mostly, that is. Sometimes, it again goes away and comes back again. And some other weird effects, certain foods no longer having any taste.
OTOH, nobody ever claimed a new virus would be all fun. It’s just not worth turning everything upside down for it. I want to have a life before death.
“Nobody claimed a new virus would be all fun.” But it has been such fun, hasn’t it, watching the world respond?
I am in my 60s and I too am certain I had covid. It wasn’t pleasant, but not as bad as other illnesses in the past. I lost sense of smell but didn’t realise until it started to return after 2 months and everywhere smelt of petrol or diesel fumes. I don’t feel afraid of this virus but I feel very afraid of the response to it. Glad we have each other here.
Taking zinc helped restore my sense of smell after a bad virus a couple of years ago.
https://www.fifthsense.org.uk/
Also these people have a smell training protocol, which was useful.
I lost my sense of smell to a virus over ten years ago and it never fully returned. For five years nothing at all and then a gradual partial return. It’s very common and not peculiar to Covid as the bulshit clinicians would like you to think. So whatever virus I had, did I get the long version of it? Sheesh. Some of these people (not on this forum) love to flog a dead horse..
because they have been brainwashed to believe that the modern day equivalent of the bubonic plague is swirling around in the open air on a pavement near them
The lipid nanoparticles are themselves toxic. This is why the gene technology was never successful, you could not give repeat doses safely. (This is without thinking of the effect of the spike protein)
And yet…now we are all taking multiple does of this stuff????
Exactly.
well – not ALL of us. About 80%
See “Kate” response below; from what I have read to date – and (yawn) I am no scientist, manufacturers have known and acknowledged for some considerable time that the delivery molecules – lipid nanoparticles – are not the greatest thing to give repeat doses thereof i.e inherently harmful – others better qualified and who have greater understanding.knowledge might explain this further please.
I think some testing has been done on animals with lethal outcomes – sorry cannot remember the link.
I don’t believe there will be a long term.
The depopulation target date is 2030 at the latest – that’s the term.
What a cunt!!@!!
Yep.
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This time last year the daily death toll was over 450 and rising. Today it is 47 and dropping.
This time last year cases were about 18,000 a day, today there were nearly 40,000.
This time last year there were fewer than 150,000 test, today there were nearly a million.
This time last year nobody had been vaccinated, today over 46million have had two and over 10 million have had three.
I think Boris is panicking because his friends are going to be cross with him if he doesn’t manage to keep their cash rolling in from all the unnecessary interventions.
The main thing to take from this is that the current dominant variant appears to be more infectious but less dangerous than the one prevalent last year – which is all in line with what would be expected with a virus of this type.
Of course, the official narrative is that ‘it’s the vaxx what done it’.
Exactly! Well said. This fact has been very successfully ignored by the MSM.
Dr Yeadon’s mantra all along, and backed up by other scientists who happen not to be on the SAGE/Wellcome/MHRA payroll.
Rather sad that the PM makes such a pathetic statement to bamboozle halfwits.
White British taxi drivers should not assume that people with foreign sounding names are suicide bombers and should not under any circumstances lock them in the back of their taxis
Bloody racists
Oops, Toby may need to backtrack on the site’s rebranding and go back to Lockdown Sceptics.
Maybe he could get him to contribute a guest article for the Christmas Day edition, seen as Boris is such a lockdown sceptic libertarian.
Johnson, don’t insult our intelligence. We know you want another .lockdown. I’m betting 15th December to the end of January, and for those who are unjabbed or unboostered only. To encourage us all to be virtuous little pin cushions.
Oh, and I hate the NHS. It’s become a monster that we all must worship and adore, and sacrifice ourselves and our children to.
Don’t forget to add your freedom, bodily autonomy and wealth to that list too. On balance I would say that it is not a fair trade off.
‘for those who are unjabbed or unboostered only.’ And how are they going to police that?
Papers please!!!!
If Boris thinks anyone would take any notice of further lockdown orders he’s got another think coming.
I really wish you were correct but sadly I think you are wrong. The dutiful British public will willingly trot home and lock themselves up till the government decides they can be released and continue to allow themselves to be injection with whatever experimental concoction the government fancies.
Indeed – the compliance of the sheeple seems to know no bounds, unfortunately. There are almost certainly more of us awkward buggers now (and some of us have got progressively more awkward over the past 18 months), but we are still a minority.
It doesn’t have to be majority to make a difference. This time last year I felt quite alone in my thinking. Now I have a large group of like minded new friends. We’ve been protesting locally and have had masses of support from the rest of the public. Naysayers are the minority. Many think they are the only ones that see through all this, and feel isolated. That’s how insidious and evil this campaign has been, but we are finding each other now. Support and pushback is growing but you have to make it happen.Don’t ever lose heart.
Agreed….my sister, a double jabbed, has just refused both her flu jab and the booster…she has had enough like a lot of people, she’s also said if they try to lock down at Christmas she’s coming to me for dinner because she knows I’ll ignore it all anyway….she can’t be the only one.
“if it saves just one life….”
And the sheeple go baa baa baaaaaa
Have just spent a merry twenty minutes upticking the best comments and downticking the worst.
There are many more votes for the former – over 11,000 for the top one.
Straw that’s broken the camel’s back?
Something for tomorrow’s news. The Great leader of Wales showing his hypocrisy.
https://twitter.com/YrHenGwrcyn/status/1460220848623824899?t=G59g2LysVXROtiZCcnTaIQ&s=04&fbclid=IwAR0QfH8KeqUTdFcU_wueAUXShsVKyibFGugZoh-kBMuT-iR_9sW-1FSkGuE
These jabs are a bit like an IQ test, aren’t they?
If you’ve refused the honour of being jabbed with a new untested ‘vaccine’, you’re above average.
If you got one or two, you’re average
If you get a third one, you have blow average IQ
If you get a fourth one, you’re probably mentally retarded.
Or will be quite soon.
Top comment of all time !!!
I am wondering how this jab fest will be represented in the vaccine surveillance data?
Will the triple jabbed now get their own column?
Will the double jabbed be added back into the unvaccinated column?
Christmas will be happening here regardless of what the masked, jabbed, Covid ‘survivor’ Prime Minister seems to think.
Meh !
There’s always the ‘unknown’ magical column in every governmental statistics. I’m following multiple in the world and I think the ‘unknown’ has a lot of hidden agenda…
Indeed – nicely muddies up the waters between the jabbed and unjabbed doesn’t it – how’s that for a nice clean set of statistics against which you can measure both vaxx effectiveness AND safety by?
Now we will have 3 categories – A) 3xjabbed, B) 2xjabbed [but they will of course be classed now as “unjabbed” – so if they die they will be “unjabbed” deaths] and C) never ever jabbed with anything
Do you think the BBC news will produce 3 columns when they are doing the nightly
feardeath figures?No. Very much doubt it.
never mind this christmas,, try the next 7 for definate.. i’d say this is proof that they have no intentions of stopping the cull.. this tender is for 7 years
Medical Assessments: Vaccine Damage Payment Scheme [Tender Notice]
There is no minimum (or maximum) commitment to the number of assessments that will be required under the contract as the scheme is demand driven, however there are currently c500 cases (as at November 2021) that require assessment with this volume increasing per week by c20 cases.
It is estimated that in year one of the contract there will be c1500-1800 claims that will require assessment within the first year of the contract.
It is estimated that after year 1 of the contract the number of assessments will between 100-1000 assessments will be required per annum
there should be 1700 claims straight off the bat!
I don’t think it counts if you’re dead. It’s to assist people with 60% plus disablement. And unless it’s changed, it’s only £120,000.
This will not assist their defence when they are tried for crimes against humanity.
Blackmail.
Fake virus.
Fake disease.
Fake cure.
Fake leadership
Fake pandemic.
Real vaccine consequences.
Plebs must form a line for their third dose.
IQ >80: OK.
IQ >90: OK, I think.
IQ >100: OK, but is it really necessary?
IQ >110: No way, bro
IQ >120: Can British people claim asylum in other countries?
The Prime Minister went on to add that Sweden, whose cases and deaths are not rising despite having no lockdowns, school closures or mask mandates, and India, whose cases and deaths are also not rising due to the heavy use of Ivermectin, no longer exist as nations and he wants any reference of them deleted from the internet and torn from books.
Lucky India. They get to keep warm AND have Ivermectin. But then they have a Prime Minister who puts the interests of his country and citizens first.
Xmas lockdown is our collective punishment for complaining about the Tesco vaccine passport commercial.
Tesco-ho-ho.
YOU USELESS BASTARD, BORIS!
That’s made my day. What a laugh!
Please, please, please stop calling this criminal “Boris”. He is no friend of anyone on here.
A good point. The repackaging of “Alex” into Boris must have bene done by the same team of PR hucksters that told Blair to go with “Tone”. The whole first-name thing is cringeworthy anyway. They should be addressed properly, in this case “Bojo the Clown” and “The Blair Creature”
For the umpteenth time, calling him ‘Boris’ does NOT mean I see him as my friend. You should see the way I say it! As a few here get upset if we call him this perhaps we should put the name in quotes each time?
It may not MEAN he is your friend but it sure sounds like it. Calling anyone by their first name implies at least a conviviality.
Call him Kim Jong Johnson, his communism, his obesity, his terrible hair etc…
Johnson and his goons can’t wait to call a Christmas lockdown – then blame it on the “selfish” unvaccinated. Apartheid is raising its ugly head again. Co-vid 19 and the ” climate emergency” are all part of this hellish pantomime. We must continue to resist. The scales will fall from the eyes of the conned. Do not give in. Do not comply!
When will people wake up to this constant carrot and stick always followed by a beating. It’s called gaslighting. Lie upon lie. Only the other day Doris was saying there would’nt be another lockdown and most restrictions would be lifted in NY. Anyone who still believes this demon needs their heads examined. JUST SAY NO
Re: “The PM – who appeared to be suffering from a cold”
Me: Coronavirus starts off by being “just” a cold, so Boris could be getting his second dose of Covid in 20 days time, however, vaccines don’t work in the majority of cases and there is a much better and safer way to deal with those sniffles when you first get them or while you are self isolating: Covid is not ever going away, it is just going to get stronger and more effective in killing you and like the latest variant R.30, it overpowers vaccines easy, it is not a matter of how, but when, it, or something similar, decides to kill YOU.
“Endemic” is a polite way of washing hands of the situation and passing the buck to you, the job has been done, everyone is vaccinated (not me) – now we have to find out why?
What it means to have a Covid jab – never been used in humans before, never been tested in lab animals, not known what the outcome will be, not responsible for whatever it does, your health and financial issues your problem, once in can’t take out, might kill you sooner or later, possibly give you life threatening injuries which will kill you eventually and it lasts for 2-6 months and then you have to have booster shots, for as long as it lets you live and it took a couple of hours to design on a home computer AND you are ordered to take it, bullied, threatened and isolated by your government if you don’t.
Now you have a cure for all viruses, which is free and costs nothing to do, which works 100% and it has not killed or injured anyone, over the past 27 years I/We have been doing it and you can’t ever get Covid or viruses, anything, because that is a physical impossibility AND it is the only way to stop the “Coronavirus” pandemic dead, long before it gets to be Covid AND for free!!
Covid Crusher: Mix one heaped teaspoon of Iodine table or sea salt in a mug of warm clean water, cup a hand and sniff or snort the entire mugful up your nose, spitting out anything which comes down into your mouth. If sore, then you have a virus, so continue morning noon and night, or more often if you want, until the soreness goes away (2-3 minutes) then blow out your nose and flush away, washing your hands afterwards, until when you do my simple cure, you don’t have any soreness at all, when you flush – job done. Also swallow a couple of mouthfuls of salt water and if you have burning in your lungs, salt killing virus and pneumonia there too.
My simple salt water cure, kills all Coronaviruses and viruses, as soon as you think you have an infection, or while self isolating, before the viruses mutate into the disease in your head and body, for which there is no cure.
Richard
When is Groundhog Day?
“Will no one rid me of this………”
So Johnson’s been given his Orders and is following the script ……
‘Course he has/is.
He’s a Schwabian.
We all know why Bill really was in town.
Could this be Alexander “Boris” Johnson, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, closet libertarian and lockdown sceptic, victim of nasty SAGE bullying?
Listening to Bozo yesterday, did anyone else feel that his little homily lacked conviction, as if he didn’t really believe what he was saying and just reading from a script?
He’s such a bloody liar and bounder that he can’t be expected to believe anything that comes out of his own dishonest mouth.
I can’t rule out totally ignoring that corrupt fat fraud!
Let’s Go Boris.
This shows Boris is a libertarian lockdown sceptic, according to Toby Young….
Yes indeed: VERY sharp, that man TY!
cases are not hospitalisations, I wonder how many cold cases we have in the country at the moment? how many flu cases?
So 3 weeks to flatten the curve to protect the NHS has now turned into permanant threat of slavery for this is what it is when someone holds your freedom and liberty in their grip, and your days out, right to work, see friends are now in return for constant enforced medical experimentation. Experimentation? I hear you cry, yes because the Covid non immunising vaccine is still not licensed, its still in its experimental trial phase. 2 injections of the experimental product are not enough, now to have a few months of Boris gifted freedom you must take another injection, then I suspect like the Israelis another in 6 month time, then the much talked about patch will be introduced so that we can all be medicated all of the time.
What a rich guaranteed source of income for the Pharma Industry, they are rather like the arms industry now, if there were no wars that industry would not survive, likewise it seems without the Government sponsored human lab rat for lots of new drugs and products, the Pharma Industry wouldn’t make the billions it has so become used to over the past 2 years.
Johnson has consistently lagged behind what the Fuhrers are doing in the rest of the Western world, but he always follows their lead eventually, So I conclude, there will be another Lockdown he will probably have the temerity to lock up all except the boostered, and of course he will introduce the beloved freedom pass, he will probably follow the Austrian model of making the unvaccinated wear arm bands to identify them.
Hopefully the folks who had the initial injections will wake up and see these actions for what they are the enforced dependancy on drugs and product manufactured by a corrupt Pharma Industry with the support of vested interests, and which the human being is nothing more than a unit to be abused, used and disposed of by the very people that are supposed to serve us.
PNAC. Look it up. It goes into detail about how medical emergencies etc are the biggest earner as it scares more people than wars far away.
All about money
Johnson is a silly fat tw*t that no takes notice of any more. The moron can lock down if he likes for the next decade but many will just laugh at the hideous hypocrite and do as they please.
We are supposedly living under a health emergency but the tory scum continue to bring in around 1000 3rd world men every day, people who may be infectious with God knows what-whilst making it now pretty much impossible to travel abroad if uncontaminated..
The tories are finished -just hope we don`t end up with the full-on Marxists because the last 18 months will have just been a picnic in the park.
On recent performance, the Tories are well on the way to being full-on Marxists, in a sort of CCP way i.e. some very rich people, and the rest struggling peasants, controlled and forever “under the cosh”.
“but many will just laugh at the hideous hypocrite and do as they please”
Obviously not at harbours, airports, or for the Eurostar train to/from France, where face masks and “Your papers!” is de rigueur.
First paragraph just reads “be a good boy and line the pockets of the mega rich by taking their poison or else no presents for you”
Who believes this shite.
So if the “vaccines” one and two don’t work so you need a third, Why are children being injected with 2 products that don’t work? does this mean they too will have to have the third? will they have all 3 in short order on their small bodies? where are the results of three of these injections on children? what are the impacts on their bodies post 6 months? a year? 5 years? 10 years?
Answer the Government doesn’t know because the manufacturers don’t know but that has not stopped them continuing to shove the needle in.
We all need to stop and think “what sort of person does this? these are children still today being injected with substances that are now acknowledged to not work.
Interesting that they are giving the second dose to children when they KNOW that the myocarditis will increase… this is an incredible gamble on their part.
How on earth can someone convince themselves to have a third one of something which is the same as one and two and one and two don’t work? and what happens when three doesn’t work? will they seriously believe that four or the permanent patch will do it???
Just creating fear to coerce people into getting 3rd shot while ignoring concept of natural immunity
And also ignoring the fact that nobody knows what it will do, whether it will work, and its potential lethality. It’s the poisonous chalice that keeps refilling itself.
It’s a nudge, blackmail, call it what you will. I have two words for that fat Pig and the second one is off!
I have avoided becoming a conspiracy theorist up to now but this Covid jabbing hysteria is little short of a global protection racket. Take your vaccines or we will lock you up and/or sack you for your own good of course. Well I am not locking down for Christmas or at any other time. I shall find somewhere to protest or perhaps an illicit social gathering to attend or a legal one in Sweden.
“global protection racket” – in a nutshell. However, Sweden is not as free as you may think, they still want you to be ‘fully vaxxed’ before you darken their doorstep.
And Finland is 100% for the Vaccine Passports. 100% face masks here in Finland too – at least in the UK you have some semblance of normality.
So Johnson is not ruling out his christmas lockdown, but we are ruling out ours
“The comments came after Austria announced a draconian new lockdown on the unvaccinated”
Nothing quite like following in the footsteps of Austrians!
Vaccine Macht Frei!
This caper should really hobble what’s left of the hopeless NHS, and especially primary care. The logistics and costs involved in administering and recording these noxious, ineffective, untried and dangerous substances as they are shoved into millions of people, willing or not, at ever-increasing frequencies will be enormous.
Even if, as per usual Tory practice, the whole rotten exercise is farmed out to “private enterprise”, likely involving that useless Harding woman, it will require money from somewhere. That may come off the NHS largesse, or be “new” money. Either way, it’s going to cost an inflated fortune. On past performance, it will probably be a giant cock-up as well.
fcuk your booster jabs, Mr Johnson. you will face charges of Crimes Against Humanity, together with your political colleagues and your SAGE apparatchiks. you had all better start preparing your excuses.
I hope it is a matter of time before one of these Governments falls and is made to pay the ultimate price for their corruption and evil. It will happen and they won
t all be able to escape to Gates hideaway . The first ? NZ, Victoria or Austria. Maybe here, who knows.It will be more than a mock up gallows prop that they will fear in the end.
We have already won.
The Great Awakening.
They are well protected. Even Susan Michie is still cackling away and jabbing pins into her voodoo doll of ‘one of the unvaccinated’.
Whilst fully masked up of course!
But do you write to HIM and tell him so? He’s not going to see any of these comments.
He said “2-3 weeks to flatten the curve”. He lied!
He said “face masks will limit the spread”. He lied!
He said “lockdown will stop the virus”. He lied!
He said “surface contact spreads the virus”. He lied!
He said ” there are no medicines, only the vaccine”. He lied!
He said “get your vaccine to be free”. He lied!
He said “another lockdown would stop the virus”. He lied”
He said “natural immunity is not an option”. He lied!
He said “Be double jabbed” to be free”. He lied!
He said “vaccines are ‘safe & effective'”. He lied!
He says “get your booster to be free”. He lies again.
When are the UK populous going to wake up to these lies, and say “No more!”.
He is a rabbit, frozen in fear in the car headlights. He does nothing but hand wave. None of his virus responses are effective, and only injure and kill even more than the virus. Time the Conservative party put him out of our misery.
Boris, Christmas is NOT yours to take away. Our freedoms are NOT yours to deny. You are our SERVANT, not our master, and if you can’t understand that, it’s time to go.
“Boris, Christmas is NOT yours to take away.”
-seemed to work last Christmas!
I hope you wrote directly to him to say this. Because he surely doesn’t sit at home reading all these comments.
Round and round we go. Surely the sleepy jabbies will cotton on that something ain’t quite right NOW FFS!
Here we go again. That man does more U turns than a dodgy sat nav.
This is a misleading title as it creates the illusion that Boris is in charge , I think the more accurate headline is : Boris has been told to say that he can’t rule out a “Christmas” lockdown .
Kim Jong Johnson is Prime Minister and fully to blame for this.
Don’t portray the great fat communist fraud as a victim.
Agreed, but he has to do what he’s told.. or the skeletons in the cupboard will be rattled and more..
Or, in fact, there is no conspiracy, just as there was no conspiracy in Weimar Germany.
What is happening is that decades of teaching green ideology is being put into practice, just as in Weimar Germany.
Not a victim. But a useful idiot.
Toby here writing propaganda… carelessly, no doubt. “Made a desperate plea” is what he hopes people will see it, rather than made a threat to coerce. “Admitted a Christmas lockdown was not completely off the cards..” Lol, as the kiddies say.
Guys, try to write without bias in those brief intros to the garbage which follows.
It is an outright threat, ‘get a booster if you want to avoid restrictions on daily lives’. It’s bad enough having to suffer the psychological war that is being waged on us, let alone having a Prime Minister threatening to remove freedoms if we don’t toe the line.
When the best interpretation is that those in charge are irrefutably and irredeemably stupid, where else can society go except into steep decline?
Let me see! If you “test positive”, and have no symptoms 5 days later, it is almost certainly a false positive. If you haven’t felt ill and had breathing problems within 15 days, and unfortunately died, then it is definitely a false positive. Why don’t they remove false positives after 10 days to show who may really be dying of covid? Side note – why are there more vaccinated than un-vaccinated per 100,000 in hospital and dying? Just saying!
Florida needs to split from the union, become its own country so it can ditch vaccine entry rules then we can all leave this tragic Zombieland forever. I’ve never been particularly pro-firearms, but sun and guns is beginning to sound pretty good.
Bloody hell!
Schwab arrested
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Klaus+Schwab+arrested&t=brave&ia=web
Needs corroboration.
That was all over Twitter yesterday and was pretty much dismissed as a hoax. Haven’t seen anything new here.
Yeah.. I’ll half believe it when I see it..
Richard D Hall : Believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see..
It would seem that the only immunity provided by these new jabs is for the makers…
What happens when we run out of money? Futile stupidity created by a computer maniac and a psychopath. Historians will laugh at us. Fortunately nothing lasts forever.
No one believes a word that Johnson, or any member of governments from USA to Australia, NZ, Holland, Austria, Germany say. They don’t realise that the irony, that they have made themselves irrelevant.
Gilly Bates et al are standing by with metaphorical wheelbarrows full of the stuff. It won’t ‘run out’.
I’m going to have to have a few days off the internet because this is doing my head in. It’s unrelentless poppycock!
Two leaflets just posted through our door. One requesting money for the Lifeboats the other from our local council saying Covid cases rising in the Borough so wash hands wear face coverings. Both binned.
Incidentally, and I am sure Toby will pick this up, Once Boris says that the double vaccinated who refuse the booster are unvaccinated he will be able to play the stats, because he will claim that the increase in Covid hospitalisations etc are down to the unvaccinated taking a page from the Joe Biden and Israel note book, this will allow him to demonise and other a percentage of the country, the disobedients, this will allow him to pave the way for mandatory vaccine or imprisonment,
All built on lies and manipulation of data, Watch for this appearing soon,
What the H*LL has this got to do with ”booster jabs”? We all know that there is no difference whatsoever between the jabbed and the unjabbed. Hasn’t this patronising oik just told us so himself?
“Boris Says he Can’t Rule Out Xmas Lockdown”.
Dear Boris, we do rule it out.