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A Response to Scott Alexander on Lockdowns

by Noah Carl
17 July 2021 12:03 PM

The prolific blogger Scott Alexander has written a long post about lockdowns. It’s not too objectionable from a lockdown sceptic’s point of view. For example, he concedes that “lockdowns weren’t necessary to prevent uncontrolled spread” and says that it’s “harder to justify strict lockdowns in terms of the non-economic suffering produced”.

Nonetheless, I do disagree with him on several points, which I will highlight here.

First, he ignores most of the academic studies that have found little or no effect of lockdowns on mortality. For example, he doesn’t mention Simon Wood’s studies finding that infections were in decline before all three U.K. lockdowns. Nor does he mention the paper by Christopher Berry and colleagues which observed “no detectable health benefits” of shelter-in-place orders in the United States.

Despite ignoring these studies, he dedicates a whole section of his post to something called CoronaGame, which he oddly classifies as “Actual Evidence”.

Second, he compares the official COVID-19 death rate up to August 2020 in Sweden with various other countries, and claims that “Sweden comes out looking very bad, but not the literal worst”. He then claims that “it looks even worse when you compare Sweden to other Scandinavian/Nordic countries”.

However, if he had used age-adjusted excess mortality, and had extended his window of analysis up to the end of 2020, Sweden would not have come out “looking very bad”. As I’ve noted several times, Sweden saw age-adjusted excess mortality up to week 51 of just 1.7% – placing it 14 out of 22 European countries.

And there are several reasons why the “neighbour argument” – the argument that we have to compare Sweden to its immediate neighbours rather than the rest of Europe – isn’t very convincing. Sweden saw unusually low mortality in 2019; border controls (not lockdowns) made the difference in the first wave; and once you include the Baltics, Sweden no longer stands out.

Third, he claims the cost of lockdown “is measured in psychological suffering and economic decline”, noting that in order to do a cost-benefit analysis “we should figure out how much stricter lockdowns affected the economy”.

While the economic impact of lockdown certainly constitutes a major entry on the costs side of the ledger, Alexander neglects to mention another negative impact of lockdown, namely the switch to remote learning. As several studies have shown, this resulted in sizeable learning losses, which were concentrated among children from the most disadvantaged backgrounds.

Alexander’s post offers a decent overview of the debate, but he’s too charitable to the lockdown side, leading him to overstate the benefits of lockdown and understate the costs. Not his best piece of work, in other words.

Tags: LockdownsSweden

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago

Lockdowns are wrong in principle

Governments cannot be trusted with these powers

End of argument

Everything else is going to end up in a rabbit hole

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Lockdown Sceptic
Lockdown Sceptic
3 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Governments cannot be trusted

Now the EU is going after video platforms like BitChute that refuse to censor content critical of LGBTQ and Black Lives Matter propaganda
https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-07-17-eu-silencing-bitchute-censorship-lgbtq-blm-propaganda.html
Stand in South Hill Park Bracknell every Sunday from 10am meet fellow anti lockdown freedom lovers, keep yourself sane, make new friends and have a laugh.

Join our Stand in the Park – Bracknell – Telegram Group
http://t.me/astandintheparkbracknell

Home Schooling – Ex-Primary School Teacher on Resistance GB YouTube Channel: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ5oS2ejye0
https://www.hopesussex.co.uk/our-mission

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago

“And there are several reasons why the “neighbour argument” – the argument that we have to compare Sweden to its neighbours – isn’t very convincing. Sweden saw unusually low mortality in 2019″

A degree of bad luck has certainly plagued the resistance to the Great Panic of 2020.

If Sweden had had a bad flu year in 2019, the US sphere authorities and panickers would have really struggled to demonise its response to covid. The number one argument used to resist claims that Sweden got it right was “Norway and Denmark did better because they locked down”, and while it doesn’t stand up to detailed analysis, the raw numbers were enough to allow the argument to be effective.

Last edited 3 years ago by Mark
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Draper233
Draper233
3 years ago

Susan Michie’s looking better than usual in the picture

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RW
RW
3 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

Almost human, so to say. 🙂

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Catee
Catee
3 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

😂😂😂😂

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago
Reply to  Draper233

Can I suggest that getting transfixed by Michie is a diversion?

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RW
RW
3 years ago

In order to conduct a scientific experiments to determine the effect (or lack thereof) of something, it’s first necessary to establish what reproducably happens without it, then, what happens with it, then, if the situation reverts to what it was originally after removing it again and finally, that the supposedly produced effect cames back after re-adding it.

Consequently, we do not know which indirect – if any – effects any corona-motivated policies had and there’s no way speculation can fix this. Of the direct effects, we know that they’re severely harmful and further, that such measures would usually be classified as harsh punishment when prison-standards applied.

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago

“they benefits of lockdown”

What benefits, FFS???????

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago
Reply to  RickH

As so often, our side is too defensive and concedes too much

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago

Also to treat suffering caused to poor children as just another cost is a nonsense, it should be considered as far more important than many other considerations.

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Lockdown Sceptic
Lockdown Sceptic
3 years ago

Now the EU is going after video platforms like BitChute that refuse to censor content critical of LGBTQ and Black Lives Matter propaganda
https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-07-17-eu-silencing-bitchute-censorship-lgbtq-blm-propaganda.html
Stand in South Hill Park Bracknell every Sunday from 10am meet fellow anti lockdown freedom lovers, keep yourself sane, make new friends and have a laugh.

Join our Stand in the Park – Bracknell – Telegram Group
http://t.me/astandintheparkbracknell

Home Schooling – Ex-Primary School Teacher on Resistance GB YouTube Channel: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ5oS2ejye0
https://www.hopesussex.co.uk/our-mission

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Maxine
Maxine
3 years ago

Wish folk would stop harping on about border controls. Border controls make NO difference. At best they delay. The same virus will mutate in similar ways around the world. An airborne virus can have matter travel across borders. The ONLY time border control MAY achieve something is if the country is an island with no near neighbours. Am sure beta would have no problem floating across the channel for example (nothing to do with needing to quarantine people travelling from France or a border close being required).

The reason Sweden fared worse is admitted and acknowledged by Sweden in that they had more dry timber than their neighbours having had a less bad flu season for the previous 2 years! And whilst acknowledging that, also accepting that it is perfectly normal for different rates of air borne widespread diseases across neighbouring countries!!!

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robwallser
robwallser
3 years ago

Amazing, someone gets a virus and then another person gets it i never though the world would die of a pissy pansy cold!!! jesus christ wake up .Is it not just possile that a year later there are even simple folk who are thinkig that a year after doomsday that the whole thing just didnt really happen and why the hell are we still pretending that its the apocalypse eyes ears etc etc

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