There follows a guest post by Ramesh Thakur, Emeritus Professor at the Australian National University and former Assistant Secretary-General of the United Nations, who is based in Ocean Shores, NSW, Australia.
What does the Australian experience teach us about the efficacy of Covid vaccines? Why, for instance, have infections and ICU admissions been hugely higher after vaccination campaigns really got under way? Australia hit 50% of the population double-vaccinated (meaning a much higher percentage of the adult population) on October 10th 2021, and 70% in mid-November. On October 10th our total Covid-related deaths were 1,448. On February 15th 2022, with 79% of the total population fully vaccinated, the total number of deaths was 4,726. So the number who died with Covid after we hit 50% vaccination is 2.3 times higher than the number before that point.
To come to the same conclusion from a slightly different angle – Our previous highest Covid mortality rate was 0.85 daily new deaths per million people, on September 3rd 2020. On that date, vaccines had not yet been developed anywhere in the world. The rate was exceeded on January 11th this year with 0.97 daily new deaths per million people, when we had 77.5% of the total population fully vaccinated. The rate peaked on January 30th at 3.39 daily new deaths per million people: four times higher than the pre-vaccination peak. At this time 78.3% of the population was fully vaccinated.
Now let’s look at ICU numbers, especially as this has been the most often cited public justification for encouraging and requiring vaccination. The pre-vaccines peak was on August 9th 2020 with 2.17 ICU patients per million people. The highest rate of ICU daily occupancy was on January 18th this year, 16.44 ICU patients per million people.
Finally, we see a similar absence of correlation between vaccination and COVID-19 infection, ICU and mortality rates in four major country examples: France, Sweden, U.K. and USA.
I am not questioning the decision of any individual to get vaccinated. I am double vaccinated.
Rather, what I am asking is: How can it possibly be justified to mandate universal vaccination on this data? This is simply not defensible on medical and ethical grounds. Globally and in Australia, hard data clearly show there is no discernible difference in transmissibility between vaccinated and unvaccinated of any significance to base policy on.
Finally, does the country, or any private company or public entity including a university, really want to lock itself into a never-ending cycle of boosters, which is a very real prospect both on overseas trends and also on the numbers of vaccine doses Australia has already purchased or ordered?
What the data do show is continuing strong protective benefits of the vaccine for the elderly and vulnerable. What might make more sense would be to make the vaccine compulsory for people 65 and older – not that I am suggesting that older people should be compelled in this way to have regard for their own safety, as they may wish to assess the equation differently, which they should be entitled to do. But such a policy – though still illiberal and unethical – would at least have some kind of evidence behind it, which universally mandating this vaccine plainly does not.
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Thank you for your concern but I am in my 70s and will absolutely refuse to be forced to take this vaccine. My body my choice still applies to people of my age!
And quite rightly!
With due respect to Ramesh, mandating is the problem. Does someone cease to have the right to accept or reject an injection at 64, but not at 65?
Mandates for some and not for others is what we have in Australia now: where “vulnerability” is judged by occupation.
Sorry Bella Donna – my rage intervened!
Should have been:
Does someone have the right to accept or reject an injection at 64, but not at 65; but I’m sure you got that!
Categorising people by the number of times they’ve travelled around the sun is one of the earliest forms of division exacted on the people by the “experts”.
Actually not. The European assumption (dating back at least to the time of Thucyides) was that people would generally get wiser and more experienced with age and thus, more capable of making sensible decisions. Eg (first example which came to my mind) the admiral commanding the Christian fleet at Lepanto was 89 and spent all of the battle standing at the bow of the ship he was on and shooting enemy soldiers with crossbows as fast as his helpers could load them.
OMG! We’re past 25! appeared in US literature some time the the first half of the 19th century and has since progressively taken over the Americanized parts of the world.
Agreed! Surely, the fundamental issue is that every person, regardless of age, retains their absolute right to choice based on consent. End of discussion!
Until they change the law as Johnson and Rabb clearly intend with their “Bill of Rights” (sic- new bottom line, ‘you don’t have any’!)
Isn’t it odd that this petition (petition.parliament.uk/petitions/607712 – do not reform the yoomun rites act) is growing so slowly? We all know they’re fairly useless, but at least they allow people to see they’re not alone. But that’s not acceptable to the Evils, is it?
Retired double vaxxed professors are now empowered to make that sort of decision for you and for the rest of us.
A professor of Political Science no less
SO x’ey’re qualified to train people to ask if they’d like fries with their meal.
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Well said and I can only assume the person that gave you -1 is a “granny killer”.
Test numbers, test numbers, test numbers.
Really, seriously, we can’t cry foul on “confirmed” just meaning “following an over-sensitive not very specific test in the previous 28 days” when it suits us, then pretend that it’s not a thing when it doesn’t.
Israel’s recent spike in “cases” was strongly correlated with a spike in testing. We’re firmly in a testdemic now.
The tests are fake (Yawn ..how many more times?).
I hear on the news this morning that Hong Kong has a surge in the convids, so Carry Lamb said she wants to test everybody. one thing came to mind, DNA harvesting!
Er, sorry, get lost mate. Mandating or coercing or bullying to make ANYONE get vaccinated is wrong full stop regardless of any other considerations.
The article clearly makes the case that Covid vaccination makes things much worse, but the author doesn’t really seem to appreciate what he is saying. As for his last paragraph, where he talks about mandatory vaxxing for the over 65s being justified, I can only suggest that the double vaxxing, he has subjected himself to, has done major and likely irrepairable damage.
Lots of graphs on display, but not the most important ones I see. Look what happened as soon as the eldery began getting the bioweaponised, genetically engineered, nanoteched, internet of bodies, 5G clot shot…..
These injections killed thousands of elderly in the UK but with a sweep of an administrators hand, all the deaths were blamed on ‘covid’.
In a care home near me, 12 residents who survied the 2020 ‘pandemic’ died straight after being injected in early 2021.
A quarter of the care home were murdered and its all been brushed under the table.
Government reaction :”Nothing to see here…move on and get your kids jabbed!” ( Courts looking the other way)
Hancock looking for rehabilitation any time soon – ‘All forgotten now Matt’! ( “Mida..what was it again?”)
We seem to be a nation now without even the most basic sense of decency and morality ( morality starts with examples from the top down of course – explains everything!)
Remember Noway at the start of the rollout, about 14 dead in one go!
Yes, ignored by order of course.
Absolutely spot on.
He needs another booster!
Being a vax cheer-leader, it’s pretty certain he was given the saline shot and not one from the killer no. 3 bottle.
And of course once this little wedge is used for oh, let’s say over 65’s it rapidly moves to over 50’s and so on down the ages. Haven’t we seen this somewhere before?
With comments such as this I would consider the author to be a dangerous idiot.
Indeed. Baffling as to how someone so intelligent can’t see the wrongness of his position. These boffins just seem so wedded to the idea they ought to be able to decide what’s best for people.
They lack empathy. No capacity whatsoever for sympathetic imagination.
They used salami slicing by age for un-mandated vaccines, and now they are down to 5 year olds!
The genocide appears to take no prisoners – the are on are on now . I wonder what the target figure is?
His views are ‘normal’ in the the company he keeps.
I don’t think he is really advocating compulsory jabs for over 65’s and pretty much says so but is just suggesting it would make slightly more sense than a blanket enforcement.
Start with the understanding that none of it makes any sense and you are being played and you might actually get somewhere!
( Although the hour is getting late!)
Everything the WEF and Gates are doing is ‘wrong’,…but they are doing it anyway!
Yeah, but the vaccines, which apparently aren’t working, can’t be made to work unless all the unvaxxed take the vaccine.
Only then, when every last person on earth gets vaxxed, can we find out if the vaccine will finally work, or not.
Dear Ramesh,
Nice article but not sure the data does support that the vaccinations have been substantially successful at protecting the vulnerable and elderly.
We all know there really wasn’t any point in vaccinating any other cohorts as there was neglible risk for them. For the vulnerable, elderly cohort, many of these did not survive the jabs as their immune systems were compromised immediately after the jabs. Any survivors of the jabs by consequence of their survival have survived, not necessarily because of the jabs but potentially because of their health being sufficient to sustain them against disease.
Does that make sense to you?
Julian
I agree with your point.
If there is no control group from which to create differential data how can we possibly determine whether any medical intervention is effective or not? Or am I missing something here – happy to be corrected.
Is this website now sponsored by the UK government?
I am pro-choice.
Also what doesn’t this ill-informed, er, emeritus professor, understand in the following sentence: ‘More people in the experimental group died than in the control group’.
Could someone in the Daily Sceptic management pass this rather basic information onto him. Thanks.
“Is this website now sponsored by the UK government?”
No, just a website where, although everyone is opposed to lockdowns, a variety of views on related issues are welcome.
Let’s leave the rigidly enforced orthodoxies to the other side, shall we?
Well, yes, sort of, except the author is open to the idea that vaccine mandates are OK for some categories – I think bodily autonomy is not up for discussion
Neither does the author. Read the article again and it should be clear that although he thinks an empirical case could be made for mandating certain groups, he thinks that would be illiberal and unethical.
Then he did not need to write the words.
I am over 65 and bitterly object to the sentiments expressed.
For the first time ever I have given a down vote on your attempt to justify this.
Well, not really. He basically wrote that a universal mandate made absolutely no sense given the numbers, while mandating vaccination for people over 65 would at least make a difference while stating it would be ethically wrong nevertheless.
The problem is that some people are informed and others are not – I blame the persistent addiction to the BBC!
Hang on what ever happened to FREE SPEECH? You’re both entitled to your opinions.
I do find it rather odd that there’s clearly someone on this site that doesn’t agree with the general opinions expressed. A bit like reading the Guardian but voting Conservative or vice versa.
Oh well each to their own.
They are still trying to justify the “massacre” – must be in the ‘public interest’!
Erm no thanks. Just because I am over 65 it doesn’t mean I can’t make decisions. Whatever the evidence, there is never any justification for forcing people to take medical treatment.
Not one person in Australia has been vaccinated
Exactly. Wish so-called informed people would stop falling for this trick.
Why not accept that this is a convenient descriptor, most people here know about the recent redefinition of the word vaccine.
We do indeed but I think it’s important to mercilessly attack the way language has been distorted to perpetuate the Big Lie
Julian
Precisely. We know that to vaccinate is “to inoculate with a virus” (OED). But so what? Any treatment must be only by informed CONSENT. No qualifications needed. And no justification for coercion under any circumstances.
Good point. Why use Concentration Camp when Resettlement in the East sounds so much better
Convenient for whom? The perpetrators of the lie?
I take your point.
Personally, I believe that neither “vaccines” nor vaccines as we thought we knew them should be mandated.
Millions poisoned though.
What? No one in Australia has taken aspirin? I bet they have taken multiple doses over the past two years, so by the ‘vaccine’ acceptance criteria of ‘slight reduction of some symptoms in slight cases of the disease’ they are multi-vaxxed without even realising it.
From the barrage of BTL I sense this author will need to, erm, well… BACKTRACK
Leaving the aside the concerns around mandating vaccines, which the author is going to be quite rightly slaughtered on, I think one has to question whether a mass vaccination campaign like this, even without mandating and even without coercion, is medically ethical. It’s a huge expense, a morally criminal waste of money that could be better spent on treating sick people with serious conditions, and the long term trials are not complete yet. Any justification for the authorisation and use of this vaccine, if there is one at all, has stop to at a very limited number of cases.
Add to this that the trial will never be complete, since it’s being carried out in an uncontrolled environment.
Absolutely – in health economics terms the vax campaign is nuts and always has been. It’s particularly grotesque to make it a priority in low-income countries, with many large aid organisations, who should know better, promoting it.
Unfortunately, your last para is just the sort of foot in the door which TPTB love.
Maybe. It’s conceivable that an emergency authorisation for a vaccine or other medical treatment would be justified in certain circumstances, but hard to trust governments and regulatory bodies ever again after covid
They’ll just invent the emergency to do it.
Ramesh has been a strong and principled opponent of lockdown from the start, which leaves me a little surprised at the tone of parts of this article.
Establishment figures seem to struggle with the idea that some things purporting to be “vaccines” could be a bad idea, or struggle with saying it out loud
Anti-vaxx is almost as powerful a smear as “racist”
The Big Pharma marketing machine has done it’s job.
Yes, that and I think people’s desire for safety through technology. The idea of a vaccine is very appealing, so if you question whether a vaccine is any good you are undermining that comfort
So have the “Gates Global Media Corps”.
Just because he agrees with you on opposing lockdowns doesn’t mean he must agree with you about everything else. Or is dissent from your opinions not allowed?
It’s the new definition of liberalism here in the Trulag archipelago. I’ll defend to the death his right to agree with me about everything
I’m 66 years old and I have seen no data which is unbiased that the writer of this article states ……
“What the data do show is continuing strong protective benefits of the vaccine for the elderly and vulnerable. What might make more sense would be to make the vaccine compulsory for people 65 and older”.
Why do writers of these articles keep asking a question without answering it?
The data clearly shows that the experimental jabs themselves are the reason for the increase in hospitalisation and deaths.
It makes no logical sense to start with “Deaths have been far higher since the vaccine rollout” and then claim there are “strong protective benefits”.
Thank you for stating the simple shocking truth – which still seems to elude so many on here!
Why do they have such trouble accepting it?
“Why do they have such trouble accepting it?”
Perhaps like the writer of the article they have all been jabbed themselves and are now regretting their decision.
Not to forget that this is the Aussie summer so none of the winter deaths we have here.
Anyone seen the Welsh Dictator since he tested positive on the 10th?
Covid has slowed the fitting of a new skin suit for his repitlian body?
“Why, for instance, have infections and ICU admissions been hugely higher after vaccination campaigns really got under way?”
This indeed.
Maybe he could utilise all his professorly skills to, you know, maybe make that obvious connection.
That’s a tricky question – I wonder what absurdly fantastical, devious diversion from the obvious truth the Globalists will come up with for their sleepy sheep and order repeated by their servile and now ‘complicit in crime’ MS Media operatives?
Heart attacks and myocarditis are common in the young now apparently (official) Fancy -just think – no-one ever knew!
and AIDS is making a comeback.
Be great for Ramesh to have a chat with Steve Kirsch, who is also double vaccinated – and now is against injecting this poison.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen so many, what I would have thought as intelligent, well meaning people, be so duped. These academics and higher-ups need to walk with people. Literally walk the streets.
I think the 67 year-old bloke on the Watts bike next to me this morning who averages 4W/kg over his 45min ride might argue that he needs your thoughtful protection.
There is no need to abrogate responsibility for your own health & instead vest it to the tender care of big pharma; is the core problem.
As would my 76 year old rellie who runs at least three miles a day, followed by 60 press-ups.
Arrrghhhh its not a bloody vaccine its a course of increasingly dangerous drugs.
Exactly – its a bioweapon which forces the body to produce toxic synthetic proteins on the tin. Thats it. These people are morons.
“Its not a vaccine it’s a poison ” Luc Montagnier ,, virologist and Nobel Prize winner (deceased)
Meanwhile in the UK we have solved the issue of high rates of infections and deaths in the vaccinated that showed up in NHS Scotland’s reported figures – we are not going to publish them any longer.
Huzzah
Shooting the messenger is now official Government policy in Scotland.
It is interesting, but unsurprising, that individual autonomy and liberty never feature in the pronouncements and policies of global organisations and their acolytes.
Yes, sadly Mr Thakur appears to be part of the problem not the solution.
Taking a look at Canada the Gobalists are clearly too busy working out and experimenting with methods of cruel, viscious, illegal and tyrannical oppression of world populations now their Covid/ “Vaccine” scam has been exposed.
We note UK MPs are too cowardly and terrified to say one word about Canada while the Gates Media keep the people in total ignorance of events by their silence!
Do we see our future in their behaviour?
It’s only private videos posted on Yootoob that give an overall impression of just what is happening in Ottawa. The session of Parliament (to discuss the ’emergency powers’) was cancelled yesterday because the police were about to move in, allowed by the ’emergency powers’.
I see Herr Trudea is planning to kill the Canadian protesters pets.
Move the truck or we euthanize your dog – Ottawa By-law : AskThe_Donald (reddit.com)
What next?
IF they want to put a dog down I suggest Trudeau is euthanised.
You beg the question – the answer would probably be censored but we can ask when will they kidnap and incarcerate the children of protesters?
That has already been mooted. Videos on Yootoob have shown what violence the police have been capable of. They’d probably welcome a violent reaction to interference with children or pets. An excuse for even more brutality.
I wonder what happened to the motto of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police: Maintiens le Droit?
(They’re not all RCMP though and are so heavily muzzled and padded and disguised in many cases, it’s hard to tell what they may be.)
300 medics demand halt to child vaccination as ‘all risk and no benefit’
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/300-medics-demand-halt-to-child-vaccination-as-all-risk-and-no-benefit-%ef%bf%bc/
TCW
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Now 14 month’s into the biggest coerced biological experiment that the world has ever seen, and the compliant, critical thought devoid cretinous demographic, still can’t read the statistics writ large on the wall! But are the sheep slowly awakening? The most profound question of the last 14 month’s is still valid, if your vaccine work’s, why do i need to be vaccinated? Or is my right to bodily autonomy secondary too a political ideology built on the lies of an evil global technocracy?
Sheep only wake up when they smell the abattoir!
I don’t think they’d understand the question – or they wouldn’t think deeply enough about it to appreciate its import or give an answer. Or they just wouldn’t listen.
I recall what Robert Malone referred to as an arms race between this endless jabbing of populations and a limitless mutating virus – the more people you vaccinate, the greater the number of vaccine-resistant mutations you are likely to get, the less durable the vaccines then become so ever more powerful vaccines will have to be developed to combat the new mutations which in turn will once again mutate to overcome the new vaccine – essentially what you doing is creating an arms race between endless vaccinations and an neverending mutating virus.
I agree, but I feel the issue is that the rise of these “vaccine-resistant mutations” will firmly and clearly be blamed on the unvaccinated by everyone from the top down.
It doesn’t take much scientific acumen to realize the fallacy and falsity of this assertion, but that’s largely irrelevant in the world of “Covid-science”: critical thinking, reasoned analysis or even simple observational truths are smothered by the stinking, cesspool of lying, corrupt politicians with “advisors” in their back-pocket, either through financial or bullying coercion.
The narrative shifts: the reluctant acceptance that the unvaccinated are not transmitting SARS-Cov-2, nor are they clogging hospitals now means that we are breeding factories for new variants.
Sigh …….. Bring it on, I never thought this fight was over, not remotely close, in my humble opinion.
I was hoping for a brief rest period so I can once again go on holiday.
Another example (re.the aged and ‘vulnerable’) of shocking statistical illiteracy re. Absolute and Relative risk.The potential reduction for that group is minimal – and not tested.
“I am not questioning the decision of any individual to get vaccinated”
Why not? I am – I want to know why people have made this decision – they have had the same chance as everyone to say, no I will wait – I will look to understand the clinical trial data from the Phase 3 trials.
My much maligned in this BTL section F-in-law claims it was to get his right to travel back – since his second does in idk June last year he has been precisely nowhere. I just don’t understand why people would take a risk in order to jump on an easy jet flight and elbow some germans out of the way for a sun lounger.
I know lots of BTL commentators have taken a jab, but I can’t for the life of me understand why – even the risk of death or serious illness is really low in the vulnerable.
all cuase mortality was lower for the placebo group.
We’d expect MORE deaths from jabbing.
Mass jabbing with a higher all cause mortality is extremely reckless.
As our ‘scientific leader’ Prof Wittery assured us all on 11 May 2020 ”UK Gov’t confirms Covid19 harmless to VAST MAJORITY of people
and those included the ”vulnerable” ones.
So the jabs really do work then?
NOT. As we all know
Yeah but… without the vaxxines, it woulda coulda shoulda been much worse!
They will ban all stats, figures and graphs pointing to Covid being spread by their ‘vaccines’ and people dying – give it a few more days .
I see Sturgeon has jumped the gun again by suppressing ‘inconvenient’ Covid facts.
Heart attacks in children now ‘perfectly normal’ by the way.
Amazing just how far the WEF’s and Gates’ Writ now extends
Seen on the side of a bus in Ontario a while back: ”Children have strokes too”.
61, and no intention of rolling up my sleeve for the Fauci junk juice at any age.
And while I agree with Prof Thakur’s basic line, I still doubt the government’s statistics on the number of vaccinated. Twenty years from now, perhaps, the truth will be made public… at about 5:05pm, on a Friday.
Thanks Ramesh, a calm, rational piece but I have two main objections:
1/
Mandating a Covid-19 vaccine for ANY (semi-arbitrary) demographic can NEVER be justified – it is a gross twisting of bioethics to suggest otherwise, even if you caveat it.
2/
I do take exception to this statement: “What the data do show is continuing strong protective benefits of the vaccine for the elderly and vulnerable.”
For a piece written with an emphasis on data-led evidentiary based decision making, you seem to not be “up to speed” with what is happening in Israel?
https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/321674
“‘80% of serious COVID cases are fully vaccinated’ says Ichilov hospital director. Vaccine has “no significance regarding severe illness,” says Prof. Jacob Giris.”
Thank you for the charts. Very interesting, especially because the seasonality factor should see Australia at record lows when combined with vaccines.
I too am double jabbed. I have not gotten my booster (despite constant messages from our friends at the NHS). When I do have to travel again I will get mine, but only then. The idea is mandates for a vaccine that doesn’t prevent you from getting the virus or transmitting it makes no sense whatsoever. And indeed, how many boosters will people need? These provide £25 a pop for Pfizer, so, they aren’t saying no.
The madness must end. Provide a voluntary option for boosters alongside your flu shot (also voluntary). But let’s stop pretending it’s a vaccine. It’s not, but if does reduce hospitalizations (in theory). We must say no to boosters! Until there is good longitudinal data taking jabs whose impact lessens each time is simply foolish.
And please, free Australia and Canada from Covid fever!
Well, some brave souls in Canada have been attempting to just that (free themselves) and look where it’s getting them. Australia is trying too, as is New Zealand, Israel, etc, etc.
Nothing in the way of outcry from Western leaders, is there, for the brutality being used to ‘change their minds’ and persuade them it’s for their own good that ‘mandates’ remain?
How very inconvenient.
Meanwhile, will the Australian authorities let us know how many people died from 1) the common cold, and 2) ordinary influenza?
Or do these one-time seasonal causes of death no longer exist?
New Zealand led by the infamous lady with some serious gnashers, is paying the price for locking down for SOOOOO long. Covid cases skyrocketing.
Ramesh, please read Nuremberg Code … no way can you ever lawfully mandate any medical treatment for anyone who doesn’t want it, even if they are ‘elderly’ …
“What might make more sense would be to make the vaccine compulsory for people 65 and older”
OVER MY DEAD BODY.
What is it with you people? You write a really good article and then suddenly the thought police get hold of you and you go and ruin it all by singing the praises of what is clearly a killer.
Don’t believe me? Go and ask the families of the 2000+ people that have died or the 1.4 million citizens who have suffered with adverse reactions some of which (not an insignificant sum) have been life changing and that’s just here in the UK.
I can only assume you don’t want to be “labelled” anti-vax.
I’m in my early 60s, but slim, fit and healthy. Based on my health and fitness levels, I self-identify as a 45 yr old.
Mandating “vaccination” for anyone, regardless of the date on their birth certificate, is an abuse of their human rights.
Since the writer of this article seems to think it’s acceptable to force people over a certain ago to do as they’re told and take something they may consider harmful or useless or just plain wrong – perhaps he should also advocate that ‘big boned’ people be forced to as well. Or smokers, or those with diabetes, etc, etc.
How dare you make such a suggestion! Deciding on any age is making ‘jabs’ an arbitrary generalisation and is equally ‘mandatory’! I am 82, already above the average mortality age but, apart from a touch of osteoarthritis, in reasonable health. I do not need a carer to get me up in the morning nor to prepare me for bed in the evening. I cook most days unless we go out for lunch and enjoy drinking wine. I run a Creative Writing Group, which keeps the little grey cells in good order, and have set up a fairly recent Ukulele Group for adult learners to play and sing, which keeps the fingers and the lungs pleasurably activated!
If you were to attempt to jab me without my consent (which you will never obtain) I will physically resist and I vow that my ghost will come back to persecute you and your fellows!