The Metropolitan Police has been found guilty of indirect race discrimination after a tribunal ruled that black officers are more likely to see their promotions cancelled. The Mail has the story:
Black officers in the Met are at a “particular disadvantage” compared to their white counterparts because the force’s policy of automatically pausing and in some cases rescinding promotions for officers facing misconduct accusations disproportionately affects them.
As found in the damning Baroness Casey review in March 2023, black officers are 81% more likely to be in the misconduct system than white officers.
Now, Employment Judge Lisa Wilson has ruled that the Met’s policy of automatically stopping promotions for officers in the misconduct system is racist because it will “inevitably bear more heavily” on black officers.
Sitting at Watford Employment Tribunal, Judge Wilson said it will have huge impacts on black officers as they are more likely to face reputational and professional consequences even if they are cleared of misconduct.
The ruling was made in the case of a black sergeant who is now in line for compensation after winning a claim of indirect race discrimination after “falling under suspicion for committing a fraud, of which she was herself the victim”.
Sergeant Caroline Nku had her promotion paused then rescinded when she faced misconduct allegations she was eventually cleared of. …
Employment Judge Lisa Wilson said the panel was satisfied that the Met had applied the following provision, criterion and/or practice (PCP): “Promotions cannot take place if officers are under investigation (for gross misconduct)” as asserted by Sgt Nku.
She ruled that not allowing officers to be promoted when they are under investigation without taking into account any mitigation or personal circumstances is indirect discrimination.
She said this “default position” was “inconsistent with the Police Promotion Standard Operating Procedure and the National Police Promotion Framework, both of which expressly require an assessment of the particular circumstances of the case”.
Judge Wilson said the tribunal was satisfied the application of the PCP “put black officers at a particular disadvantage when compared with persons who are not black”.
She added: “It is not in dispute that black officers are 81% more likely to be in the misconduct system than white counterparts, as detailed in the Casey Review and acknowledged by DAC Cundy (who addressed Sgt Nku’s appeal of the Promotion Review Panel).
“We are satisfied from this evidence that black officers were therefore put at a particular disadvantage to white officers; because of overrepresentation in the misconduct system from the point of entry onwards, they were more likely to have their promotion paused or rescinded.”
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A woman determined this. I rest my case.
81% of black officers are on the misconduct case books because this poor behaviour pattern is common amongst black people. It is an uncomfortable (for the left and normie conservatives who have been propagandised by decades of anti white racism) that blacks are low impulse control people (81% it seems) and have often poor decision making skills.
IQ and DNA don’t lie. Nature cares nothing for your DEI crap. There’s no DEI in evolutionary science.
”A woman determined this. I rest my case.”
See my above response regarding confirmation bias. The more rigid one’s views and deeply entrenched their prejudices, the more they rely on confirmation bias to support their narrative and discard/ignore all evidence which contradicts their worldview. You are a textbook example of this.
This is such bullshit.
The reason why there is a higher proportion of black officers under investigation is because the recruitment standards were moved from a high bar to a much lower bar. People who previously would not have been allowed to become police officers, PCSOs, etc, were now allowed to join.
The bar was lowered because when the bar was in a high position, it was preventing certain types of people (of all colours) from getting in. That was viewed as racism when they realised that the bar, which had prevented lots of wrong ‘uns from getting in, was preventing ethnic wrong ‘uns from getting in. So the bar was lowered. In lowering the bar, people who were previously rightly rejected were now enthusiastically welcomed in.
It’s like a Trojan Horse situation, except that in this case the Trojans built the horse themselves, then suicidally gave it to the invaders telling them to use it to invade.Then watched on as the invaders poured out of the horse instead of trying to stop them. Then watching as the invaders turned their beautiful city into a shithole.
Yes, there is probably quite a bit to what you say. I don’t want to get into the statistics of this whole thing because it’s not easy to know the starting points, however decades ago the problem was that an almost exclusively white police force was arresting black people who felt it was because of who they were rather than what they did. The latter aspect is also dependent on what people from that demographic consider normal behaviour, which Jamaican Yardies definitely did a long time ago and hardly anyone agreed that it was acceptable even there own people.
Now things are different in that the widespread belief that any black person with money had stolen it has gone, but a result of that is not yet that offending rates are similar in all ethnicities and that has to affect the relative chance of an officer being suspected of misconduct.
As others are saying, humans are a tribal species and we all need evidence that we can trust another person, that doesn’t arrive overnight.
Why are black officers disproportionately in the misconduct system?
Are other non-white groups in the same or similar situation as black officers?
Are black officers hired by merit alone or are they hired using non-merit criteria?
When you turn away white recruits and recruit exclusively from Lewisham. What the recruits are bent??? Nooooo! I don’t believe it. Couldn’t put a brother in jail I imagine.
I wonder why black officers are 81% more likely to be in the misconduct system than white officers?
Care to tell us?
No, I thought they wouldn’t. According to Ai, approx 3.5% of MET police officers identify as black or black British.
The officers who make up the 3.5% appear to be doing a lot of things which are being interpreted by someone as “misconduct,” whether justified or not.
‘Over-representation in the conduct system’.
Well, one ‘equitable’ answer to that would be to make it proportional, so that if black officers only make up 10% of the force then that is the maximum that can be accommodated by the conduct system at any one time. So then either 70% of cases get dropped, or you make up misconduct cases against an additional 70% of the non-black officer population.
Whatever the solution, it’s pretty clear logic and real world experience aren’t much in evidence amongst our judiciary.
I disagree with the majority of the comments so far: surely for the cause of free speech this is a win. The underlying rule is unjust, especially given the ease of making an unjustified complaint and the snail’s pace of investigations. It’s using the racism hammer to crack the injustice nut which is odd – presumably the best and heaviest hammer to hand. But the ruling will surely be a welcome one. Once the unjust rule is changed for something more nuanced then let’s monitor how it is applied to see if – and against which groups – there is discrimination.
Of course a demographic which shows a greater degree of criminality is going to face more hurdles in police promotion. That is not discrimination in any bad way but it is the required discrimination in its true sense to ensure bad people don’t get promoted in the police.
I am confident that any delay is abandoned as soon as any suspicions are known to be unfounded.
But they would’ve faced hurdles getting into the force in the first place, if that were the case. I don’t believe 81% of black officers waited until they were successfully recruited then went rogue. I also don’t think it’s a good idea to pre-judge people based on whatever ‘group’ they happen to belong to. Groups do not define us because we’re all individuals with agency. People can’t be expected to take collective blame for the bad behaviour of others just because they happen to share their specific ‘protected characteristic’.
I couldn’t find anything clear cut to explain such a high figure, though, so it’s all a bit shrouded in mystery, unless anyone with inside knowledge comes along and enlightens us.
Given the desire to preferentially recruit non-white police officers, it stands to reason that the recruitment criteria must be relaxed to achieve that desire. The numbers can’t be raised unless there is a massive oversupply of people from a minority in society.
It’s all difficult to prove, but it should be amenable to logic.
Yes, wherever DEI exists and is embraced the result will surely be a reduction in quality and performance over time, and this will become apparent and manifest in different ways. However, correlation does not prove causation and logic dictates that not every woman and non-white person within an organization that has embraced ‘the woke’ is by default a ‘DEI hire’, which seems to be the stance held by many and is born of one’s own personal prejudice.
Rather than an assumption there needs to be a link proven in individual cases, and only the management and people within the hiring process would have this knowledge, or if there was an independent investigation launched which uncovers evidence of preferential treatment or lower recruitment standards for certain groups. It’s a shame because this entire DEI shambles reflects badly on the people from those groups who did get through due to individual merit, not because they had any sort of leg-up. They all end up tarred with the same brush based purely on their ‘protected characteristics’.
Absolutely. The points made by you, Mogwai and EB make sense. What we really need to know is, if black officers are 81% more likely to be charged with misconduct are they as likely, more likely or less likely to be found guilty of it? This case concering Sgt Nku is indicative of a deeper malaise, but doesn’t reveal what it is.
I disagree with a couple of points you make.
Certainly, we should take everyone as they come, and treat people as individuals. However, humans are tribal. When someone comes from a certain ‘group’ who I might have knowledge or previous experience of, I am going to carry prejudices about them. Not necessarily discriminatory, but I will pre-judge. That also is human nature. If my prejudice is proven wrong, then I mentally wind myself back in. However, next time I meet someone from a certain ‘group’, the exact same non-discriminatory prejudices will be in place.
I think certain groups do define us. When I see dozens or hundreds of people waving trans flags trying to stop someone speaking, I am going to assume that every member of that group is an arsehole, a woke, fascist, authoritarian arsehole
Except it’s not the decent and normal trans folk who just want to get on with their lives that behave like this, is it? The ones who aren’t nutty, exhibitionist narcissists that want to encroach on women’s sex-based rights and claim victimhood any chance they get because they need constant validation. It’s the noisy, attention-seeking ( and usually very hostile and volatile ) extremists. Activists don’t represent normal trans folk because the latter know they already have all the rights they need. They are more than just their gender identity, and presumably have more going on in their lives than these septum-ringed, purple-haired, Reddit-dwelling f*ck-ups.
And we could say the same for other groups who hit the streets and behave in a similar manner. There’ll be people who are fully brainwashed and onboard with the climate hoax, but they don’t go out and glue themselves to the road, or who believe Israel is committing genocide, but they don’t go round damaging property or attacking people with sledgehammers.
Judging people by the group they belong to – usually by default because of protected characteristics which can’t be changed – is resorting to the use of generalisations because they don’t want to… Read more »
There is millenia of data: peoples observations of groups, that give us all we need to know about the behaviour of groups. Stereotyping is a generally accurate process because it has human history behind it.
Resorting to and relying on stereotyping is an intellectually weak tactic used by people who harbour grievances towards entire groups who share a protected characteristic ( because it’s easier to view them as one singular monolith, for confirmation bias purposes ), and is fuelled by their own personal prejudice. The moment you acknowledge there is significant individual variance therein, is the moment your narrative falls to pieces, and you can’t have that, can you? And so the delusion must be upheld at all costs.
Make this make sense. Surely there is a glaring conclusion that can be drawn?
I thought it perfectly natural that officers under investigation shouldn’t be considered for promotion. Yet, there it is…
Exactly. That would seem to me to be common sense, but it is of course something that is rarely applied.
Why are black officers 81% more likely to be in the misconduct system, racism or because they’re less trustworthy?
It’s obvious what woketards will say but I’m convinced they’re wrong.
It’s a shame the author didn’t elaborate on that figure and say why there’s such disproportionality but it seems there’s been an issue with this for years. The below link is from 2016. There is no real clear reason given and it just states the complaints are coming from fellow officers, not the public. We need some inside intel;
”The research found a number of studies that evidenced the existence of ethnic
disproportionality in disciplinary proceedings in other police forces – both in the UK and US – as well as other professions.
BAME officers in the MPS are twice as likely as White officers to be subject to misconduct
allegations. There is no disproportionality gap in the number of public complaints made against BAME and White officers.
Whilst research to date has been able to evidence the existence of disproportionality, no
studies have so far been able to put forward conclusive evidence as to its causes or ‘what
works’ in responding to it.”
https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/misconduct_research.pdf
I bear no ill will to any arbitrary group. I consider myself fortunate. If you take a very broad brush approach you will notice that Africa has consistently been behind everywhere else by any measure that you care to name. Evolutionary pressure from seasons and cold weather has been kind to us. Everybody should just do them and move on from being in some arbitrary group. Nobody is perfect.
No. Giving a leg up to people because of their skin colour impacts everyone. If BAME (leftist garbage term) officers have higher misconduct rates, then that is dangerous for the effectiveness of the polizei and for public safety. DEI focused policies have led to people dying and being unnecessarily injured (immigration for instance) Africa is as bad as it is because of its people not because of its climate. Whether or not climate made them low impulse control, lazy, intellectually limited and feckless, I know not and the jury is still out. Whatever. The best and most trustworthy should get these jobs and if that means that 90% of blacks never become polizei officers, then I don’t care.
Not advocating giving anyone a leg up- quite the opposite. I’m advocating we stop talking about race. But the grifters and anti white racists and suicidal be kind fascist liberals don’t want to.
”But the grifters and anti white racists and suicidal be kind fascist liberals don’t want to.”
Nor do the overt racists such as Grim Face and his ilk who reside on this site. Or do you think just because such behaviour comes from the Right it gets a free pass because it can somehow be justified? Is this the part where you repackage blatant racism as ‘tribalism’, because calling out such hostile and repugnant behaviour in others from your own side is too difficult?
A person with integrity and the capacity for being objective wouldn’t have an issue with making this observation and stating this fact out loud. It’s the same energy, coming from both sides. Same goes for animosity towards the opposite sex ( feminists on the Left demonstrating misandry and old fashioned misogyny from men on the Right ) and, of course, antisemitism exists on both the Left and the Right. The Horseshoe Theory gets supported time and again.
It would also be good to know what proportion of misconduct cases are upheld, and whether it is higher for black officers or others. If the “conviction” (for want of a better word) rate is the same between officers then it would seem there is an issue with black officers that bears more in-depth analysis. If the rate is lower for black officers then on the face of it they are victims of more false/misguided/racist accusations and the policy of blocking promotions while cases are investigated would disproportionately impact them.
I know the bar for everything has been getting lower so as to accommodate people who love chips, but I think it is now so low that even someone in a mobility scooter can easily negotiate…..
Blue lights and a siren – mind how you go.
This is what they call Disparate Impact in the USA – if blacks do worse on a test they change the test. The suicide of white civilisation.