Why, As a Doctor, I Have Declined Vaccination Against COVID-19

Dr Simon M Fox, a Consultant in Infectious Diseases in an NHS Hospital, chose not to be vaccinated against Covid despite the threat to his career. Here's why.

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As a Consultant in Infectious Diseases and Internal Medicine in an NHS Hospital, I have been on the front-line throughout the COVID-19 pandemic. I have chosen not to be vaccinated against Covid as I am sufficiently protected by natural immunity following infection and repeated re-exposure.

The growing evidence base indicates that a Covid vaccination for someone in my position will not alter the possibility that I will infect a patient I am caring for. It is also of vital importance that we robustly defend the right to personal autonomy as the default position. In order to countenance trespassing the right to personal autonomy, there must be excellent reasons and excellent evidence for its necessity. Mandating these vaccines, whether for healthcare workers or the general public, is counterproductive and will only fuel distrust in government and the medical profession.

Where there is risk, there must be consent or patients will cease to trust us. I asked a patient of mine with Covid, who was certainly at risk and would have benefited from a vaccine, why he didn’t have the vaccine. He told me: “I don’t understand the ins and outs. All I do know is that the Government is not being honest with me.” Tragically, he died a few days later. I have also seen vaccine side effects. Although infrequent, they are a reality poorly covered in the media and not appropriately discussed in order to gain consent. I cared for a young woman whose risk of severe illness was tiny, but developed severe myocarditis following vaccination. She said to me: “Nobody told me this was a possibility.”

My decision not to be vaccinated was not easy. Although it is now reported the Government intends to U-turn, at the time I took the decision I stood to lose my job and career on April 1st 2022 if I did not comply. But this issue is too important. It involves matters that that should give all of us pause to consider and debate.

As a healthcare worker, it is very important not to put my patients at unnecessary risk, particularly as many of them are especially vulnerable. Conversely, it is also true that any expectation placed on a healthcare worker must be necessary, safe, effective and reasonable. In order to satisfy these criteria there should be robust evidence to support it.

For the purposes of clarity, COVID-19 in those who are at risk and have not been previously infected can be so severe that the risk-benefit calculation is strongly in favour of having a vaccination. But care should be individualised, and this calculation may be different for people who are younger and at lower risk.

In my case, the natural immunity acquired from previous illness significantly reduces my chances of further infection and the evidence also indicates that a vaccination would not materially change this. Some of the best evidence for this is data from very large cohorts published by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in America.

In mostly Delta infections, natural immunity provides robust protection against infection and hospitalisation, and vaccination in addition to previous infection makes no significant difference to this.

While vaccination against Covid has been shown to be effective at reducing severe disease and death, we know that it does not prevent acquisition of infection (particularly with the current variants), nor does it prevent transmission. A large study from Oxford suggests vaccination against the Delta variant has no significant effect on transmission 12 weeks after vaccination compared to an unvaccinated person. If someone does get infected, having had a vaccine previously does not appear to alter how likely they are to pass it on. And it now looks like the vaccines’ protection against Omicron is even worse than for the Delta variant.

Why not be vaccinated anyway, even if it might help a bit? This is where we must consider the safety of the intervention. These vaccines have now been given to a lot of people, so we now have some experience in adults. However, nobody has been followed up for more than two years, and there have been significant side-effects detected, particularly with regard to myopericarditis (with mRNA vaccines like Pfizer and Moderna) and thrombotic disease (with viral vector vaccines like AstraZeneca). As a result, many countries have restricted the use of one or more of the vaccines in younger people. It is difficult to make a good estimation of the long-term risks of the vaccines given that they are new and documentation and collation of side effects has been patchy. So, questions remain.

My conclusion is that there simply isn’t the evidence that being vaccinated will significantly reduce the risk that I will pass on COVID-19 to patients, particularly when I am protected by previous infection. Testing healthcare workers for the virus is the best precaution to be taken to protect patients from infection rather than relying on these vaccines. Furthermore, I am not convinced that the safety of the vaccines has been sufficiently demonstrated to warrant forcing me to have one. As a doctor, I believe that personal autonomy in matters of health is fundamental and so I will defend that right for myself, as well as others.

The wider concern is that coercion, particularly where there are still unknowns, fosters increasing mistrust in healthcare and vaccination, a fertile ground for conspiracy and misinformation. We should seek to persuade people based on evidence, not force them – and vaccine passports and certificates are clearly forms of coercion. Fuelling distrust in vaccines will cost lives and it is crucial that we do not do this. The potential long-term damage could be enormous and we lose the trust of patients at great peril to public health moving forward.

Dr. Simon M. Fox is a Consultant in Infectious Diseases and Internal Medicine in an NHS Hospital. Watch him speak about his decision to Julia Hartley-Brewer on talkRADIO here and also on GB News here.

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markdj
markdj
4 years ago

So many doctors think these vaccines are effective due to studies that demonstrate it, yet 70-80 of covid related deaths are in those vaccinated. The thing is, those studies are deliberately corrupt due to the 14 day delay in classification in each vaccinated group. https://inproportion2.talkigy.com/covid_vaccine_tricks_2022-01.html

4PureBlood
4PureBlood
4 years ago

There Are Now 365 Studies that Prove the Efficacy of Ivermectin and HCQ in Treating COVID-19. Any hospital administrator who mandated the shots to employees to comply with the government mandate for Medicare and Medicaid reimbursement and who refused to allow alternative treatments to be tried, doctors who pushed their patients to take the EUA drug without giving fully informed consent, anyone who forcefully administered the shot, the AMA, AAP, Boards of Health, CDC, FDA, NIH, WHO, scientists who participated in the development, Big Pharma (Pfizer, Moderna, J&J, Astra Zeneca, et. al.), anyone who pushed the sick into nursing homes resulting in deaths, all must be arrested, prosecuted, tried and if found guilty sentenced to prolonged imprisonment and fines or death for intentional homicide. Get your ivermectin before it is too late! https://ivmpharmacy.com

Less government
Less government
4 years ago

I believe that the medical fraternity still haven’t fully grasped the destruction that these experimental injections are going to reap on humanity. This should have been stopped after a few weeks, from introduction. The drug companies have been seen to have falsified trial data and relieved of liability from any injury. The tyrannical coercion applied by governments across the world to force us into taking the jabs is staggering and completely unprecedented. The growing indications of damaged immune systems from repeated injections causing Autoimmune deficiencies, increased blood clots, cancer increases, sepsis, miscarriages and hundreds of other serious side effects is horrifying.

wantok87
wantok87
4 years ago

Well written piece which should never have needed to be written. Covid19 is not a virus: SARS-CoV-2 is the virus which causes variable symptoms and infection mortality. It is not ,and never has been, a public health emergency but representing a failure to be able to manage the disease because of lack of knowledge and experience. In all other diseases primary treatment at presentation is paramount ,with vaccination of the at risk groups if and when the safety profile of a vaccine has been determined . Eg HIV.where success with antivirals revolutionised pathological progress. Do Surgeons need HepB etc
We do not get vaccinated every year for HepB but have antibodies checked. Why not check for SARS antibodies?The Govt dare not suggest this as many of the vaccinated would not have antibodies.
it is reprehensible that clinicians have permitted the vilification of the unvaccinated when they are fully aware that there is no evidence that they can harm but the vaccination mandate certainly has caused harm.

RTSC
RTSC
4 years ago

Coercing these gene therapies on people who were at no risk from the virus is evil. My friend’s husband aged 56, slim and very fit, had the booster just before Christmas and last week had a massive heart attack caused by blood clots. He wasn’t expected to survive, but has now been sent home for what will be a very long recovery. He has significant, permanent damage to his heart and may never work again.

Think Harder
Think Harder
4 years ago

I did not get vaccinated for sound, logical reasons and like your unfortunate patient I only know for sure my government, the media and many institutions are lying to me. I have some theories and they are all worthy of the gallows. I hope it is just the most astounding outbreak of incompetent bureaucracy ever, but I don’t think so.

D J
D J
4 years ago

The MHRA Yellow Card system reports 435 cases of VITT.
I have seen 2 of them who both spent a week in ICU.
Given that there are about 200,000 UK doctors, I find the 435 number very hard to believe.
I think that doctors are being pressured not to report vaccine complications.

kate
kate
4 years ago

https://www.francesoir.fr/opinions-entretiens/problems-these-vaccines-pose-must-be-confronted-and-urgently-jean-marc-sabatier
Fascinating trio of interviews with Sabatier on the dangers of ADE and vaccines. very informative

kate
kate
4 years ago

Robert F Kennedy pointed out last year that once you have a mandatory vaccination policy (and loss of bodily sovereignty) you open the door to mandated abortion (for the good of society, mandated euthanasia (for the good of society) mandatory sterilisation (for the good of society)
This is a battle of overriding importance in its implications, if we lose it we lose everything.

kate
kate
4 years ago

Post from Mike Yeadon’s telegram page, …a little unclear, but i think Enigma refers to the group that is analysing the batch inconsistencies in the vaxxines.
It appears to refer to suspicions that the manufacturing process is what is leading to batch inconsistencies, where some mRNA production is inadequate and incomplete, so I suppose (from reading this) that that batch is relatively inert.
Enigma is finding % intact mRNA predicts a substantial fraction of the observed batch toxicity.
And you don’t need anything from Enigma to know, for sure, that all four main claimed “vaccines” were always going to injure & kill.
I’m appalled at former colleagues, probably not involved directly, but looking at their shoes while this is going on.
Examples from over 30y in R&D (not vaccines) which are inviolable regardless of type or medical intervention:
1. Experimental technology not once used successfully in a launched product, numerous serious faults even ten years ago have not been solved:
(a) mRNA unstable, mRNA delivery to inside of cells limited unless harsh chemical solvents or high DV voltages applied.
(This refers to spike I suppose)
(b) least stable component of alleged virus. Least likely to induce cross-immunity to new variants.… Read more »

DS99
DS99
4 years ago

The lady in the picture looks like she is aiming a dart rather than vaccinating someone.

kate
kate
4 years ago

https://hughboone.substack.com/p/and-if-you-go-chasing-rabbits-and

“Rare adverse events are defined as those occurring in 1/1000 to 1/10,000 patients”
Thus 0.1% – 0.01% of a vaccinated population experiencing adverse events is considered rare.
The UK currently works out as having 2.7% of the Covid vaccinated population (1 or more doses) experiencing adverse events. This is using official MHRA figures.
Covid vaccine adverse events are therefore not rare, even without considering the under-reported nature of vaccine adverse events.

kate
kate
4 years ago

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/i-am-seeing-cancers-take-off-like-wildfires-after-the-vaccine-says-us-doctor/

Seneff says the result of these changes produces a very different immune response to the vaccines compared with natural exposure to the virus. The jab profoundly impairs biochemical signalling vital to a healthy immune system. It also disturbs regulatory control of protein synthesis and cancer surveillance, making tumour growth more likely.
‘Cancer is a disease generally understood to take months or, more commonly, years to progress from an initial malignant transformation in a cell to development of a clinically recognised condition,’ she writes. Since adverse event reports are logged within months or days of the jab, ‘it seems likely that the acceleration of cancer progression following vaccines would be a difficult signal to recognise. Furthermore, most people do not expect cancer to be an adverse event that could be caused by a vaccine.’
Yet an analysis of the US adverse event database shows that it reflects increases in a wide range of cancers, ‘and dramatically so’.  

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  kate

“Senator Johnson said his office had put the Defense Department and Biden administration on notice that they must preserve and investigate the data. 

‘The increase in cancer is something I’ve been hearing about for months,’ he said. ‘Quite honestly, I’ve told people I don’t think the public is quite ready for that yet. But this is frightening.’”

I think if ever the public needs to be told something it is this. It might just conceivably begin to wake people up.

dearieme
dearieme
4 years ago

“While vaccination against Covid has been shown to be effective at reducing severe disease and death …”

There are analyses available from numerate, intelligent, rational people which show that this conclusion may well be the result of a statistical illusion.

Observational data are notoriously vulnerable to bias and confounders; Covid data are no exception.

realarthurdent
realarthurdent
4 years ago

“I asked a patient of mine with Covid, who was certainly at risk and would have benefited from a vaccine, why he didn’t have the vaccine. He told me: “I don’t understand the ins and outs. All I do know is that the Government is not being honest with me.” Tragically, he died a few days later.”

I’d be really interested to know from an NHS insider, what treatment is offered to Covid sufferers in hospital. And whether the vaccinated and unvaccinated are treated in exactly the same way.

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

Now that WOULD make for an interesting article!

On slightly different tangent, someone posted a link on here yesterday to a video between 2 US commentators discussing covid and medical treatment, partic remdesevir, and both of them were in agreement that even if they got severe covid they would be going nowhere near a hospital on the premise that they didn’t like what they were hearing about the “treatments” being deployed in hospitals and the danger they would feel themselves to be in if they were in hospital and had no one to advocate for them and “protect them” from being subjected to treatments they didn’t want or that might hasten their demise.

Mike Oxlong
Mike Oxlong
4 years ago

I’ll say one thing about Covid (and I’d be interested to know if anyone else has experienced this), but since getting it in March 2020 – in bed 3 days, fairly crappy but not dying – I haven’t had so much of a sniffle or anything. Normally get a couple of colds a year, buut for nearly 2 years now, nothing. Not complaining, mind.

Hypatia
Hypatia
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike Oxlong

Yes! My OH and I both had what we now believe was “the coof” back in late 2019/early 2020. Bit of fever, loss of taste and the most horrendous cough. The cough for me was the worst I’ve ever had. Felt rough, had paracetamol and honey and lemon, plus various cough mixtures. For me it lasted about a week, my OH had about 10 days, then a mild attack of a bad cough about 2 months later.

But since then, nothing.

Occasionally, one of the other of us has felt we might be getting a cold, but we’ve had a Lemsip, gone to bed, and in the morning, whatever it was has vanished.

And neither of us has had any sort of cough. Really odd.

Victory Gin
Victory Gin
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike Oxlong

Almost exactly the same here – got a flu-like virus in late February 2020 that lasted all of four days – I knew nothing about covid (or coronavirus as was called then) – then the msm was pushing scare stories about a pandemic virus that originated from China and listed the symptoms and I thought ‘hang on, this is what I had‘ but I thought it was the flu .. as you say, you felt a bit crappy for a few days but at no time did I ever felt my life was under threat – it felt like the flu and I treated as such. I had nothing else for about 18 months even when the vaccinated that surrounded me were all coming down with bad cold-like symtoms even during the summer months – being in close proximity to them all I was surprised I lasted so long but eventually I suffered very brief mild cold-like virus that lasted about a day or two – but that quickly vanished and was nowhere near as bad as the flu-like covid back in 2020. I know of people who have cold-like symptoms for going on two months and just can’t seem… Read more »

kate
kate
4 years ago
Reply to  Victory Gin

Maybe omicron is outcompeting all the other viruses that would normally be circulating, so there are none to catch? And you are immune to Om as u have had covid?
I wonder what is known of the ecology of viral disease. Maybe not much.

JohnK
JohnK
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike Oxlong

Similar to my experience in week 52 2019. Nothing unusual since, but quite recently I decided to have a proper job done to see if it might have been an attack by SARS-Cov-2, using the T-spot technique done by Oxford Immunotec, to see if I have a batch of T-cells. It was done via https://www.integrativehealthclinic.co.uk/ that took the blood sample and sent it off to them in Abingdon. The result was that there wasn’t any, so no evidence that it was caused that way, so probably just another ‘common cold’ like infection back then.

If the author of the article has had that done (not clear if it was done or not), it would demonstrate that he’s naturally immune to it for the time being. Those who want such tests done privately as I did are looking at about £200, so I don’t think his boss would want to pay for it as an expense!

JohnK
JohnK
4 years ago
Reply to  JohnK

For the avoidance of doubt, I decided not to accept the offer of a jab last March, and so far it looks like a good choice, given the emerging evidence.

GlassHalfFull
GlassHalfFull
4 years ago

Although the article by Dr Simon Fox is welcome I would like someone to explain what evidence he has seen which is NOT statistically flawed that makes him claim …..

“vaccination against Covid has been shown to be effective at reducing severe disease and death”.

All the reports and scientific papers I have seen are flawed and highly biased towards showing vaccine effectiveness.

tom171uk
tom171uk
4 years ago
Reply to  GlassHalfFull

Can you post links to those please?

GlassHalfFull
GlassHalfFull
4 years ago
Reply to  tom171uk

The UKHSA in the Vaccine Surveillance Report reference a number of studies to back up their claims that the vaccines are effective at preventing hospitalisation and death ……
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1050721/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-4.pdf

6. Lopez Bernal J, Andrews N, Gower C, Robertson C, Stowe J, Tessier E and
others. ‘Effectiveness of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccines on
COVID-19-related symptoms, hospital admissions, and mortality in older adults in
England: test negative case-control study.’ British Medical Journal 2021: volume
373, n1,088.

7. Vasileiou E, Simpson CR, Robertson C, Shi T, Kerr S, Agrawal U and others.
‘Effectiveness of first dose of COVID-19 vaccines against hospital admissions in
Scotland: national prospective cohort study of 5.4 million people.’ 2021.

8. Hyams C, Marlow R, Maseko Z, King J, Ward L, Fox K and others. ‘Effectiveness
of BNT162b2 and ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 COVID-19 vaccination at preventing
hospitalisations in people aged at least 80 years: a test-negative, case-control
study.’ Lancet Infectious Diseases 2021.

These all use “Test-Negative, Case-Control studies” which are criticised here …..
https://dailysceptic.org/2021/11/13/the-flaw-at-the-heart-of-the-ukhsas-vaccine-effectiveness-study/

Links to the above studies can be found on the PDF.

This paper is also flawed ….
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2107058

tom171uk
tom171uk
4 years ago
Reply to  GlassHalfFull

Excellent. Plenty of bedtime reading. Many thanks.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago

Can DS stop publishing pictures of healthy young women – pointlessly masked-up – being injected with an mRNA experimental ‘Gene Therapy’ product containing ingredients not fully disclosed, when we know that some similar young women are being injured and are dying as a direct consequence?

I find the images deeply offensive – the masks even make them look like anonymous prisoners.

John Dee
John Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

the masks even make them look like anonymous prisoners.

But, surely, they are?

loopDloop
loopDloop
4 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

I’ve noticed over and over that the random pictures of people getting the jab published in mainstream media are of young attractive women in skimpy tops. Surely this is my own twisted perception, right, and not something that the Nudge unit could possibly have dreamed up. After all, that would be offensive or something wouldn’t it? But yeah, not a lot of pics of fat old bastards in their dungarees getting the clot shot.

Beowulf
Beowulf
4 years ago
Reply to  loopDloop

I did see one fat bastard getting jabbed, Boris somebody or other.

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

Ah, but we are not here to censor images that some snowflake finds “deeply offensive”, are we?

kate
kate
4 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

I agree, I can no longer bear to see images or film of this violation. It repels me.

Margaret
Margaret
4 years ago

One of the many issues with the jabs for me is encapsulated in the phrase “we are fighting this year’s war with last year’s weapons”

I remember both Vallance and Zahawi (when the latter was jabs minister) talking about how quickly these viruses mutated and how jabs could never outrun them, particularly when we were jabbing during a pandemic. Jabs would need to be constantly modified and even then would barely keep up.

The jabs were based on the Wu-Flu which then mutated into Delta and Omicron. They are based only on the spike protein which I believe allows the rest of the virus to escape and mutate. I also believe that the problem with Omicron is that this time, the mutations are in the spike protein itself. Perhaps someone could correct me if I’m barking up the wrong tree. (Or just barking!)

The vast majority of us survived the Wu-Flu variant and got through the winter of 2020-2021 even before they started jabbing-we even did “Eat out to help out”. OH and I did look into the Valneva whole virus vaccine before the order was pulled. “Inexplicable” was how the vaccine Csar described this cancellation but we would only… Read more »

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

You need to ask Gates, Schwab and Soros and their Global minions for the answer to that one.

Paul_Somerset
Paul_Somerset
4 years ago
Reply to  Margaret

The jabs were based on the Wu-Flu which then mutated into Delta and Omicron. 

I don’t think it’s entirely clear-cut that Omicron really did evolve from the Wuhan strain. It might have done, but there’s a case to be made that it evolved alongside or separately from the Wuhan original. It’s all very odd.

At least odd enough not to queue up to be injected with a pharmaceutical designed to combat the Wuhan line.

rtaylor
4 years ago

Well done to Dr. Fox for sticking to his principles and displaying the courage of his convictions to Savage Jabhead.

  • My only notes would be: “While vaccination against Covid has been shown to be effective at reducing severe disease and death.” I’d rephrase that to: “Being unvaccinated I’m 2.26 times less likely to become infected.” Ref
  • More people have died from the gene altering therapy than solely from Covid. Ref
  • A 40% uptick in insurance claims from those vaccinated aged 18-64. Ref
loopDloop
loopDloop
4 years ago

The decision to take a vaccine is a Faustian bargain. The deal goes like this: how many people would you be willing to die or be seriously adversely affected in order for you to feel safe from a disease. We seem as a society to have accepted that the answer is ‘as long as the amount is rare, or very rare’. For this doctor, it is described as ‘infrequent’. But what I want to ask each individual taking the vaccine: what is your precise number? If 1 in a million doses produced a bad reaction, well, you say, yes, I would take it. Ok fine, what about 1 in 100,000? 1 in 10,000? 1 in 1,000? 1 in 100? 1 in 10? What is your individual point at which you say, ok, I’m not willing for that number of people to die for me to feel safe?

Now that we have your number sorted out, the important thing is to be able to find out whether a particular vaccine is hitting above or below that number. This is the insidious element in the current situation: it is not possible to get an accurate number. So no one is really… Read more »

John Dee
John Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  loopDloop

The decision to take a vaccine is a Faustian bargain.

Are you sure you didn’t mean ‘Faucian’?

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  John Dee

Fauci doesn’t do “bargains” he just: “Makes people offers they can’t refuse”!

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  loopDloop

Faust knew what he was signing – the gullible jabbed have no idea as they have been deprived of the information to allow them to give the legally required “Fully Informed Consent”

Faust was not bullied, coerced and threatened into signing the pact.

(But hey! After all, its “just an ordinary vaccine” isn’t it?)

loopDloop
loopDloop
4 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

I wouldn’t necessarily agree, though I see where you are heading. If I’m being generous to the population at large, ok, gee, yes, they are gullible the poor dears and don’t have the ability to read and think, so to that extent, yes, they suckers, I mean the people, don’t really have a fair chance at making a fair deal. But, actually, no, scrub that, of course they do. Nobody is being deprived of any information, it’s all there, if you have the time and inclination to do the work. No, the problem is not that the powers that be are preventing people having the necessary information to make informed decisions, the problem is that the people by and large are dumb, lazy and couldn’t be bothered. It’s as if Faust was sitting back on the couch munching Doritos and watching Love Island when the devil offered him the bargain and he was like, yeah, whatever dude, that sounds fine, can you please move a little to the left so I can see my flatscreen? So yeah. I’m sticking with Faustian, though Faucian is more than acceptable. But the gullible have only themselves to blame.

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  loopDloop

No, it’s just a matter of weighing chances that you die given the decision one way or the other.

It’s also a matter of weighing cost to society/healthcare based on your decision. In fact it’s a rather boring insurance fee calculation, which for some “strange reason” no insurer has attempted yet.

All the necessary data is there, and the outcome of this calculation would certainly not be that everyone must vaccinate, and not that they must pay some exorbitant fines or be fired from work or banned from society.

The reality is that the outcome of such calculation would be so trivial and so embarrassing to the covidians that they prefer it not to be performed at all.

Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Wouldn’t it be tricky for insurers to estimate possible future side effects of multiple vaccination?

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

I’m talking about insurers estimating the additional healthcare burden from not vaccinating. And for that purpose we already have plenty of data.

For a 40 year person, maybe let them pay 20 pounds extra (yearly!) health insurance to cover the eventuality of them blocking an ICU bed in the next year with a chance of 0.01% as a result of their refusal to “be a good person” and then sod off.

If you wanted to estimate the risks of vaxx side effects, you could do it using all the existing data as well, and adjust slightly as new data emerges. Maybe make this 20 pound fee 19.99 pounds to compensate.

loopDloop
loopDloop
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

No, your no is wrong. Utterly wrong. Just so wrong. No, no, no, no, no. That’s a no from me.

Beowulf
Beowulf
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

“It’s also a matter of weighing cost to society/healthcare based on your decision.”

No it’s not. I note you suggest a £20.00 premium for those who choose not to get injected, which you then reduce by £0.01 because of possible side-effects caused by the so-called vaccines. You have neither the medium nor long term data to make that calculation. As for the short term data, how reliable is that?

What we do know is that the absolute risk reduction from SARS CoV2 of the Pfizer venom is 0.84% but the risk of a heart attack relative to the un-jabbed is 500% greater. Next time show your workings.

rayc
rayc
4 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

Oh yes, we know how many unvaccinated vs. vaccinated people got treated in ICUs, and we can compare that to the also known vaccination rate in order to arrive at reliable data. In case you haven’t noticed, all the yapping that is going on in articles here on DS concerns “efficacy” in terms of risk of infection, not in terms of preventing severe illness – guess why? Because this point cannot be argued, not even by Dr. Jones et al.

In fact the availability of such data is the sole reason why vaccines were allowed to market and why we have “vaccination campaigns”. Except in the alternate reality where vaccinations are designed to kill people, of course. But even Dr. Jones and Toby Y. do not live in this alternate reality, just certain commenters.

And where’s the source for your “500% heart attack risk increase” claim?

Beowulf
Beowulf
4 years ago
Reply to  rayc

“…we know how many unvaccinated vs. vaccinated people got treated in ICUs…” do we indeed? By ‘unvaccinated’ do you include those ‘vaccinated’ within the previous 12 days whose immunity has plummeted as a result?

And it’s worth bearing in mind that the claim that the ‘vaccines’ were only ever meant to lessen the severity of Covid19 is not true. Anthony Fauci himself said that if you got ‘vaccinated’ you would be a dead-end for the virus, and Sleepy Joe Biden declared “If you get ‘vaccinated’ you won’t get Covid”.

What pharmaceutical companies mean by “efficacy” is the relative risk reduction. Now I have never claimed that the ‘vaccines’ were designed to kill people, but there is no doubt that they do and that companies like Pfizer could not care less their products kill so long as they make a profit.

“In fact the availability of such data is the sole reason why vaccines were allowed to market and why we have “vaccination campaigns”.  There was no such data when EUA was given.

If the Government gave a toss about public health it would recommend that the public take 4000 IU of vitamin D3 daily and the sick… Read more »

jwills
jwills
4 years ago
Reply to  loopDloop

Good post. My number is non existent though. I think everybody should take individual responsibility for their own health and not rely on anyone else.

ElSabio
ElSabio
4 years ago

LOL! I made a comment about the clearly overweight lady in the picture, and subsequently how she can help herself, and it has been deleted!

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  ElSabio

Is this the new, improved “censored for our protection” DS ?

rtaylor
4 years ago
Reply to  ElSabio

70% of the public aged 45-74 are either overweight or obese. Ref Blind leading the blind.

Star
Star
4 years ago

Why should anyone listen to someone who speaks “as a doctor”?
Just be a person who has some knowledge, some experience, and some opinions.
And by the way, you’re not a “doctor” unless you’ve got a PhD or other doctoral qualification.

tom171uk
tom171uk
4 years ago
Reply to  Star

I think the guy was explaining that his knowledge comes from being a medical practitioner. He doesn’t need a PhD to use the title ‘Doctor’. If he has a doctorate I would expect it to be ‘MD’. However, medical students are normally titled “Doctor” upon graduation.

John Dee
John Dee
4 years ago

and will only fuel distrust in government and the medical profession.

That ship (or ships) left the dock quite a while ago, for me, at any rate.

Beowulf
Beowulf
4 years ago
Reply to  John Dee

For me it left port in 2017 when I was given a prescription for statins following a massive rise in my blood pressure. The rise in my BP occurred within a few minutes of taking the beta blocker I had just been prescribed for anxiety. I asked my GP what I thought was a reasonable question about the possible side-effects of statins only to be met with a curt “Of course there are side effects, I suggest you read the literature”. Well I did read the literature and as a consequence I returned the statins to the pharmacy for disposal along with the beta blockers and changed my diet from a high carbohydrate vegetarian diet to a high fat low carbohydrate omnivorous diet. Result: I am two and a half stones lighter with normal BP, no anxiety and I am taking no medication whatsoever. My thanks are due to Ivor Cummins and Dr. Malcolm Kendrick.

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

Good for you B. MK is a legend, a doctor I WOULD trust.

RW
RW
4 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

Bad territory to be on.

As this might be useful for someone: So-called beta blockers dampen the body’s response to adrenaline by blocking the corresponding receptors. Adrenaline rushes are often once of the consequences of a so-called biological fight or flight reaction. Anxiety is also one of these consequences, a state of heightened mental awareness supposed to enable people to detect dangers early enough to react to them. Hence, prescribing beta blockers against anxiety is about as useful as shifting the gear to neutral in order to turn the car lights off.

And it gets better: The usual reaction of the autonomous nervous system when it’s signals aren’t getting through is to increase the amount neurotransmitters which are being emitted. Hence, beta blockers ought to cause – in the long run – the actual problem, the adrenaline overload misdiagnosed as anxiety, to get worse.

That’s a problem I’ve had many happy encounters with in the last 30 years, possibly since ever. I’ve long since stopped consulting doctors about it, as they usually ignore everything I’m telling them about the actual problem. I used to take beta blockers during a particularly nasty period in 2020 but I’ve systematically weaned myself… Read more »

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  RW

Dr MK has been, by his own admission, studying CVD, Cholesterol and all related issues for 3 decades; his revelations about the historical research are very important.

That makes it very difficult for a GP still using NICE “spreadsheet” dogma, which includes the world class metric known as BMI, to understand the complex issues; in my experience, not representative I know – very few GPs of my experience show any interest in this sort of prolonged study.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  Beowulf

Good for you; you demonstrate the power of an independent mind, reading the facts which are not tainted by any narrative or agenda and making an informed choice. Or, in other words, doing what your Hippocratically oathed GP is being paid to do – but doesn’t ( similar brief experience with me, for roughly similar reasons ).

Dr MK is a very bright and honest man imho.

What next needs to happen again imho, is that a 10 letter word has to be shouted at all those who reckon these jabs are in any way necessary: IVERMECTIN.

The relevant chapter in RFKjr’s book that contains the fullest exposition of the trials and effectiveness is …..life changing; it is the elephant in the room from now on , and “we” should be pushing tptb daily to expose their criminal conspiracy to refuse this drug being used prophylactically. The massively documented efficacy is …mind blowing.

I hope everybody reads this book – it is devastatingly researched, and updates show it as the most serious of topics for the author; for the jabattoir/CV19 scam casedemic apparatchiks – I do not see how anyone engaged in the propaganda against IVM can survive/have survived… Read more »

ElSabio
ElSabio
4 years ago

A down vote! That’s the problem: it’s the problem people refuse to recognise or are afraid even to comment on. The lady needs to lose weight.

Type 2 diabetes, which accounts for the vast majority of diabetes cases, can be prevented. For people at high risk of developing type 2 diabetes, lifestyle changes, including weight loss and regular exercise, can significantly reduce the risk.

https://www.everydayhealth.com/diabetes/type2/the-diabetes-epidemic-in-a-nutshell.aspx

BJs Brain is Missing
BJs Brain is Missing
4 years ago

Late November 2019 I caught the lurgy. Dealt with it using Lemsip and Strepsils. I take vitamin C and D every day and have not had a sniffle since. Why would I now compromise my immune system and vascular system for an experimental treatment? And which affords me plenty of risks but very little in the way of benefits. Only a madman would play Russian roulette with his health on those terms.

John Dee
John Dee
4 years ago

“Only a madman…”

Or a very incurious and trusting citizen, like (unfortunately) most of my friends and family.

RobbieT
RobbieT
4 years ago
Reply to  John Dee

It never ceases to amaze me how many acquaintances – hitherto thought to be of stout mind & constitution – ended up taking the injections for reasons they admitted were other than protecting their own health. Obviously some fell to the “do you WANT to kill granny?” but plenty more just due to familial or social pressure. And some to “unlock travel again”, for whom I have reserved a silent contempt.

tom171uk
tom171uk
4 years ago

After all the hysteria, bullying, propaganda and censorship it is a joy to read such a principled, thoughtful and measured statement. Thank you Dr Fox.

Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

Michael Gove says that ‘Christian forgiveness’ is required over ‘partygate’

More proof if any were need that Gove is an utter four letter expletive not entered

tom171uk
tom171uk
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

How about some Christian forgiveness for the people nicked by our brave police for their transgressions? Maybe a refund of their fixed penalties and a complimentary suitcase of booze.

John Dee
John Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  tom171uk

You got that in before I could.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Gove – last seem crawling under a stone.

Star
Star
4 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

It was interesting how Gove got moved out of the Cabinet Office to save him from flak.

“Christian forgiveness” – ha! Gove does like his religious references. He once called Theresa May “Britain’s first Catholic prime minister” (never mind that she’s High Church Anglican, unlike her predecessor Tony Blair who is Roman Catholic and formally converted before he left office), and more than that he called her a “continuity Catholic”…the kind of language that probably went down a treat on the Shankill.

My understanding is that

  • to be forgiven for something you should admit it first, and
  • it’s up to the people who might forgive you whether they actually do forgive you or not – it’s not up to you yourself.

Even among senior government politicians, Boris Johnson stands out as an especially dishonourable guy, this bloke who has difficulty keeping his c*** in his trousers and has quite a record for getting young women to sign “non-disclosure agreements”. No wonder he’s a pal of types such as Darius Guppy.

JamesM
JamesM
4 years ago
Reply to  Star

Does anyone believe that Blair’s conversion to Roman Catholicism was anything more than a cynical ploy to help further his aim of becoming president of the EU?

Beowulf
Beowulf
4 years ago
Reply to  JamesM

I thought Trotskyists like Blair regarded religion as the opium of the people.

JayBee
JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  Star

This is a brilliant quote from Max Weber’s over 100 years old book/speeches “Science as a Profession/Politics as a Profession” on the latter and a politician’s most dangerous character flaw- vanity- most disastrous consequences: lack of objectivity and lack of responsibility.
It’s written as if it was a description of Johnson, Trudeau and the whole modern day lot of them.
In German, but there must be a translation.
““Einen ganz trivialen, allzumenschlichen Feind hat daher der Politiker täglich und stündlich in sich zu überwinden: die ganz gemeine Eitelkeit, die Todfeindin aller sachlichen Hingabe und aller Distanz, in diesem Fall: der Distanz sich selbst gegenüber.
Eitelkeit ist eine sehr verbreitete Eigenschaft, und vielleicht ist niemand ganz frei davon. Und in akademischen und Gelehrtenkreisen ist sie eine Art Berufskrankheit. Aber gerade beim Gelehrten ist sie, so antipatisch sie sich äußern mag, relativ harmlos in dem Sinn: dass sie in aller Regel den wissenschaftlichen Betrieb nicht stört. Ganz anders beim Politiker. Er arbeitet mit dem Streben nach Macht als unvermeidlichem Mittel. ‘Machtinstinkt’ – wie man sich ausdurdrücken pflegt – gehört daher in der Tat zu seinen normalen Qualitäten. – Die Sünde gegen den heiligen Geist seines Berufs aber beginnt da, wo dieses Machtstreben unsachlich und ein Gegenstand… Read more »

Liberty4UK
Liberty4UK
4 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

In order to translate highlight, right click and choose ‘translate into English’!

Liberty4UK
Liberty4UK
4 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

Very interesting passage, yet I would want to insert that there is something called a ‘conviction politician’ who can be more into influencing opinions than power. I do agree (in advance!) that they may all too often only keep their honour intact at the expense of being outliers, in what is a naughty world!

Boomer Bloke
Boomer Bloke
4 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

Crawling under, or oozing back under?

Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

‘Christian forgiveness’ is the partygate equivalent of the Dear Leader urging us all at Christmas to get jabbed because it would be what Jesus would want [or some such rubbish].

Old Bill
Old Bill
4 years ago

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