Do Covid Vaccines Reduce All-Cause Mortality? ONS Data Give Us No Reason to Think So

On closer inspection, the claim that ONS data support vaccine efficacy against death is cast into doubt because there is a range of fundamental inconsistencies and flaws.

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The accuracy of any data purporting to show vaccine effectiveness or safety against a disease is critically dependent on the accurate measurement of: people classified as having the disease; vaccination status; death reporting; and the population of vaccinated and unvaccinated (the so called ‘denominators’). If there are errors in any of these, claims of effectiveness or safety are unreliable.

The risk/benefit of Covid vaccines is best – and most simply – measured by all-cause mortality of vaccinated against unvaccinated, since it avoids the thorny issue of what constitutes a Covid ‘case/infection’. In principle, the data in the ONS vaccine mortality surveillance reports should provide us with the necessary information to monitor this crucial comparison over time. However, until the ONS released its November report, no age categorised data were provided, meaning that any comparisons were confounded by age (older people are both disproportionately more vaccinated than younger people and disproportionately more likely to die).

The week 44 ONS report and data release from November finally provided some relevant age categorised data. Specifically, it includes separate data for age groups 60-69, 70-79 and 80+, but there is only a single group of data for the age group 10-59. After the November data release the ONS released further data on December 20th 2021, albeit at a significant lower level of granularity that inhibits cross comparison with earlier data (different age categories; monthly rather than weekly data; age-adjusted mortality rather than raw death and population data; death counts updated; and fractional membership of vaccination category based on time spent in category) and with different categories for vaccine status than those used in November (five categories rather than four with double dose vaccinated split into less than and greater than 21 days).

At first glance the data suggest that, in each of the older age groups, all-cause mortality is lower in the vaccinated than the unvaccinated. In the 10-59 age group all-cause mortality is higher among the vaccinated, but this group is likely confounded by age since it is far too wide for the data provided to be sufficient to draw any firm conclusions.

However, despite this apparent evidence to support vaccine effectiveness for the older age groups, on closer inspection this conclusion is cast into doubt. That is because we have shown a range of fundamental inconsistencies and flaws in the data. Specifically:

  • In each group the non-Covid mortality rates in the three different categories of vaccinated people fluctuate in a wild, but consistent way, far removed from the expected historical mortality rates.
  • Whereas the non-Covid mortality rate for the unvaccinated should be consistent with historical mortality rates (and if anything, slightly lower than the vaccinated non-Covid mortality rate), it is not only higher than the vaccinated mortality rate, but it is far higher than the historical mortality rate.
  • In previous years, each of the 60-69, 70-79 and 80+ groups have mortality peaks at the same time during the year (including 2020 when all suffered the April Covid peak at the same time). Yet in 2021 each age group has non-Covid mortality peaks for the unvaccinated at a different time, namely the time that vaccination rollout programmes for those cohorts reach a peak (see below).
  • The peaks in the Covid mortality data for the unvaccinated are inconsistent with the actual Covid wave.
  • There are sufficiently serious anomalies in the population and very poor health category data to suggest the data are unreliable.
Non-Covid mortality in England (ONS). Note the spikes in the unvaccinated, which coincide not with each other but with the vaccine rollout in each age group. This must be an artefact as there is no reason that not being vaccinated while others are should result in a spike in non-Covid mortality.

Whatever the explanations for the anomalies, it is clear that the data is unreliable and conclusions regarding vaccine efficacy specious. Likewise, given the ONS’s suggestion in its December report that the anomalies are the result of vaccinations being denied to moribund or terminally ill patients, or that there is a healthy vaccinee effect, we tested this hypothesis and found it was not plausible. The onus is now on those who propose this explanation to demonstrate empirically how it works. We considered the socio-demographic and behavioural differences between vaccinated and unvaccinated that have been proposed as possible explanations for the anomalies but found no evidence supporting any of these explanations. By Occam’s razor we believe the most likely explanations are:

  • Systematic miscategorisation of deaths between the different groups of unvaccinated and vaccinated.
  • Delayed or non-reporting of vaccinations.
  • Systematic underestimation of the proportion of unvaccinated.
  • Incorrect population selection for Covid deaths.

With these considerations in mind, we applied adjustments to the ONS data and showed that they lead to the conclusion that the vaccines do not reduce all-cause mortality, but rather produce genuine spikes in all-cause mortality shortly after vaccination.

There are, of course, some caveats to our analysis. While we have completely ignored the 10-59 age group because it is far too broad so age confounding would likely overwhelm any conclusions, the age groups 60-69, 70-79, 80+ are themselves quite coarse, and there may be some age confounding within these age groups. For example, the average age of the vaccinated 60-69 age group may be higher than that of the unvaccinated 60-69 group and hence the number of deaths would naturally be slightly higher.

We have deliberately chosen not to subject the data to a degree of sophisticated statistical or probabilistic modelling but can readily imagine what might be done. We have carried out some basic computations of confidence intervals to address the fact that at various points the population sizes differ dramatically, and from this the patterns reported remain visible, significant and our analysis credible.

Ultimately, our analysis is hypothetical insofar as it presents two processes, one based on the risk presented by the period before/after vaccination and infection and one based on categorisation, both of which might better explain the patterns in the data. However, we believe it is up to those who offer competing explanations to explain how and why the data is the way it is. We have explained that various social and ethnic factors are very unlikely to explain these odd differences in the ONS data set. Same with the moribund or healthy vaccinee effects. Absent any other better explanation, Occam’s razor would support our conclusions. In any event, the ONS data provide no reliable evidence that the vaccine reduces all-cause mortality.

This article is taken from the paper “Official mortality data for England suggest systematic miscategorisation of vaccine status and uncertain effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccination“, of which it forms the summary and conclusion. Read the full paper here.

Dr. Martin Neil is Professor in Computer Science and Statistics at Queen Mary, University of London. Dr. Clare Craig is a Diagnostic Pathologist. Dr. Norman Fenton is Professor of Risk Information Management at Queen Mary University of London. The paper is also authored by Jonathan Engler, Joshua Guetzkow, Scott Mclachlan, Jessica Rose, Dan Russell and Joel Smalley.

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Max_B
Max_B
4 years ago

ONS is missing ~2.2million 1st dose vaccinations compared with NHS vaccination stats.

I’ve used tab4 of ONS Mortality by Vaccination Status 2 Jan – 24 Sept 2021 dataset, to compare ONS 1st & 2nd dose populations, with NHS daily vaccination stats. By w/e 19th February 2021. I find ONS is missing ~2.2million 1st dose vaccinations (~15%) compared with NHS vaccination stats to the same date.

Both ONS & NHS use the same NIMS vaccination database for England. I can’t see how such a large difference can occur. Cross checking NHS daily vaccination files, with their more accurate weekly files produced a small ~30k cumulative variation, but nothing in anyway comparable with the 2.2 million difference seen here. It seems reasonable to suggest that this difference may be due to the method by which ONS Vaccination statuses arise.

I went no further than the 19th Feb, as it’s tedious downloading all the daily & weekly files from NHS statistics Vaccination archives.

I think this adds some more weight to Prof Fenton’s hypothesis.

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Freecumbria
Freecumbria
4 years ago
Reply to  Max_B

The ONS dataset covers people (over age 10) on the 2011 census and registered with a doctor in 2019. It uses NIMS but only picks up individuals meting these extra criteria.

Whereas the full NIMS database covers all those in England registered with a doctor.

Have you allowed for that in your calculations?

FreeBaller
FreeBaller
4 years ago

..”With these considerations in mind, we applied adjustments to the ONS data and showed that they lead to the conclusion that the vaccines do not reduce all-cause mortality, but rather produce genuine spikes in all-cause mortality shortly after vaccination..”

These “anomalies” can only be explained because the double vaccinated are officially classified as ‘unvaccinated’ until 14 days post-vax (and 21 days post first dose) thereby hiding most vaccine-related deaths and skewing non-covid deaths towards the unvaccinated.

marebobowl
marebobowl
4 years ago

At last ALL of my favourite scientists, researchers, data analysts and doctors included in this article. If I ever meet you in person, I may hug you and never let go. Thank you for your perseverance in this nightmare scenario we have all had to live through this past two years.

Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago

It seems as though people have forgotten that everyone must die some time.

It’s just that there are many of us who would rather NOT die as a result of a medical experiment using an unlicensed drug.

Luis RCoelho
Luis RCoelho
4 years ago

What a really, really stupid question!!!
A proper distraction tactic…

LonePatriot
LonePatriot
4 years ago

DARPA admits HCQ and Ivermectin are effective treatments aganist Covid. However doctors in US had their medical license revoked for ‘spreading Covid misinformation’ and treating patients with Ivermectin. Doctors who go aganist the narrative are under investigation for daring to speak out against the Biden Regime and for daring to question Big Pharma. They want to block every way possible to reach people for cheap and alternative treatments. You can get your ivm by visiting https://ivmpharmacy.com

JayBee
JayBee
4 years ago

This needs more publicity:
According to ONS data made available under a FOI request, only 4.6% (6183 out of roughly 136.000) of the reported Covid deaths in England and Wales where from Covid as per the definition of Covid being listed as the sole cause of death on the death certificate!
The hoax of the century?!
https://sciencefiles.org/2022/01/21/covid-19-ein-jahrhundert-hoax-bei-46-der-covid-19-toten-ist-covid-19-die-alleinige-todesursache/

BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
4 years ago

“With these considerations in mind, we applied adjustments to the ONS data and showed that they lead to the conclusion that the vaccines do not reduce all-cause mortality, but rather produce genuine spikes in all-cause mortality shortly after vaccination.”

Shouldn’t this be explosive, Page 1 news?

I still think funeral homes and life insurance companies have the answers some of us looking for. My theory is the same as many of the contrarians: Deaths among the vaccinated ARE spiking far above historical norms.

Some of this might be explained by “collateral damage” from lockdowns, but some of it is probably explained by vaccine injuries.

Freecumbria
Freecumbria
4 years ago
Reply to  BillRiceJr

The unvaccinated made up about 5% of all all cause English deaths around September 2021 according to the ONS 1st November 2021 dataset.

And yet in working ages we are seeing mortality running at at least 10% above what we might expect across the entire vaccinated and unvaccinated population. It’s slightly lower in older age groups probably because the most vulnerable have died during 2020 and 2021. But it’s an inescapable fact that working age people are experiencing high mortality at least in relation to recent years.

The unvaccinated are way to small in number to have any material affect on total all cause mortality.

So it does follow that the working age vaccinated are affected by increased mortality of say around 10%. That is for every 10 deaths there is an extra death happening for some reason.

As you say this can only be down to two things really, a) the damage from the disastrous response to the virus and the lack of access to healthcare and so on, or b) because of an effect of the vaccines in increasing mortality.

The only things we don’t know in terms of current mortality, is how much of this extra mortality… Read more »

Will
Will
4 years ago
Reply to  Freecumbria

Brilliant explanation again.

JohnK
JohnK
4 years ago
Reply to  Freecumbria

Well done. We are witnessing a human experiment writ large. A political one as well, not conventional scientific methodology.

Jabby Mcstiff
Jabby Mcstiff
4 years ago

There has been some speculation in regard to the moment of revelation – maybe they will pull these vaccines almost instantaneously everywhere – what would the reaction be? This is obviously unanswerable because we don’t know how the damage is going to accelerate and so in a few months time we might be in a very different situation. I think that there will be a huge repudiation but I can’t conceive of how this would affect western societies already battered and damaged. My hope is that it leads us towards the light. They have saddled us with a sodden toxic overcoat of dread and despair but I felt proud for the first time in a long time when this country lifted most restrictions and I read commentators all over the world praising it. Proud of the intelligent resistance that still persists in this country. This is a strong rock to build on.

CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
4 years ago
Reply to  Jabby Mcstiff

They can’t do that – it would be showing their hand and the chance of a big backlash would be too great.

One problem they do have is whether they can keep stringing out the fictional state of emergency, as once that no longer applies they won’t be able to use it to authorise the clotshots.

Jabby Mcstiff
Jabby Mcstiff
4 years ago
Reply to  CynicalRealist

My view is that there isn’t really a ‘they’ as such. It is more like the Wendigo which hides behind faceless bureaucracy and plausible deniablity. We are faced with an evil but it doesn’t resemble an individual consciousness. For the last couple of years look at the faces of those who issue these edicts – these are not confident faces they look more like the frantic and frightened visages of those being held hostage, as well they should. We are faced with a deep problem of perspective along with everything else. In regard to the pulling of the vaccine I would wager my life that the MRNA pretend prophylactic will be gone in weeks. That might mean that they just come up with a new improved version. I don’t think that this will wash even with the frightened masses. Scientific reductionism is being laid bare on so many levels.

fractaltrader
fractaltrader
4 years ago
Reply to  Jabby Mcstiff

So, 25 deaths for the Opioid Isotonitazene – TAKE IT OFF THE SHELVES.
Nearly 2000 covid vaccine deaths – MOVE ALONG NOW, NOTHING TO SEE HERE.

WHAT TF IS WRONG WITH THE MEDICAL PROFESSION, Conservatives POLITICIANS, Boris Johnson AND HEALTH SECRETARY Sajid Javid?

CovidiotAntiMasker
CovidiotAntiMasker
4 years ago
Reply to  fractaltrader

The only plausible explanation I can come up with,acknowledging that the experience of the last couple of years have defied all logic and reason, is that the jabs are the main objective of this plandemic.

amanuensis
amanuensis
4 years ago

Norman, Martin and Claire — thanks for the update.

Have you thought about table 9 on the Dec ONS spreadsheet — this covers deaths by vaccination and age group in 5 year intervals right down to 10. Of course, there is a significant downside in that there’s no time information… The data is given for the person-years at risk, so that’s something at least.

Also note that for those aged under 50 pretty much none will have been vaccinated during troublesome period during Jan/Feb 2021, so the results will be biased towards increased deaths in the unvaccinated cohort for each age group – thus if there’s more deaths in the vaccinated group vs unvaccinated it should be more likely to be a real signal.

I’ve written a bit about it in four posts; here, here, there and over there.

RickH
RickH
4 years ago

The age-related data are an elaboration, but any vaccine effect should show up strongly in the overall all-cause mortality.

Without this, there is no rationale for the snake oil.

… and there isn’t.

‘KISS’

Doom Slayer
Doom Slayer
4 years ago

Historical data shows the winter peaks of mortality in the relevant age groups is at about the same time. Which makes sense. But in 2021 they correspond with the vaccine rollouts. Nothing to see here.

eon
eon
4 years ago

I’d love to see some push back in the comments to some of these posts, by people who believe the opposite – anonymous of course, for fear the modern day version of being arrested by the secret police: being unemployable.

Anonymous
Anonymous
4 years ago

Dr Mike Yeadon and Reiner Füllmich:

“The injections normally called Corona vaccines are designed to experiment on the human race and to find out what dosage of a yet unknown toxin is needed in order to kill people”.

 
Since the mRNA gene serums were rolled-out in 2020 we have been involved in a global experiment. This experiment is geared towards depopulation. The main players in this experiment are Moderna, Johnson& Johnson and Pfizer/Biontech.
 
One aspect of the trials they are running is to measure what level of toxin needs to be in a particular batch of gene serum, and how many of these batches will be needed, to kill-off their desired percentage of whatever local population they have targeted. One batch of these so-called vaccines contain’s 250,000 single shots of gene serum.
 
Say they target a city and decide that overall 40% of its population need to be euthanized. There may be some boroughs in this city in which they’ll decide that more people need to be euthanized than in others. For instance, a borough with a high percentage of long-term unemployed or senior citizens might well be targeted for a much higher percentage of euthanasia, than… Read more »

eon
eon
4 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

“Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity”

Anonymous
Anonymous
4 years ago
Reply to  eon

If it was simple stupidity, it would have been stopped by this.

Remember, it’s just one lifetime ago that mass murder and genocide were perpetrated on White European people by other White European people.

Just 1 lifetime. How much do races of people change in just one lifetime? Zilch. The savages are still among us and they’re at it again. 

Sforzesca
Sforzesca
4 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

Agreed, and anyone on this board who thinks we’re winning, think again.
We are up against power, the MSM, and the dim sheep – practically the whole world over.
Those in charge are beyond evil. May they rot in Hell.

We’ve got the fight of our lives on our hands to save the original human.

John001
John001
4 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

With no liability for the health risks of the EUA product, and the CDC and FDA bought, do they care about stopping it?

Robert Kennedy documented earlier cases of bad quality control. They juggled the vials and distributed them to different states I think.

I can also just about imagine central bankers having no idea what pharma’s doing and still thinking that it’s a bit like a mumps vaccine. Financial people are mostly clueless on anything except money and balance sheets … and often they’re no good on those either. Read ‘The Big Short’ and almost the only people who made the right bets were ‘non-team players’ who ran their own small operations.

It’s well-known that people in large organisations do things that individuals would never do. Momentum builds up and people say nothing, just to go along with the team.

SNAFU is usually the word needed. I think this is getting to the FUBAR stage.

realarthurdent
realarthurdent
4 years ago
Reply to  eon

There’s two possibilities here. Either some of the vaccine batches are especially toxic due to manufacturing problems – contamination, mistakes during production, QA failures.
Or they are especially toxic on purpose for sinister reasons.
For the moment it doesn’t really matter which of these is true. The vaccine rollouts should be halted, everywhere, while the issue is investigated.

Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
4 years ago

Further reading.
https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/unboostered-brits-infected-and-dying
“Unboostered Brits Infected and Dying at Higher Rates than UnvaccinatedUKHSA Vaccine
3r33

The UK Health Security Agency has been condemned for months to report incredibly inconvenient vaccine efficacy statistics. How they have struggled. They have composed disclaimer after disclaimer. They filled a whole blog post with special pleading. They have greyed out the inconvenient numbers.

In their latest report, published just this evening, they’ve tried something new and bold. They now only calculate case, hospitalisation and death rates for the unvaccinated and the triple vaccinated. The double vaccinated have been banished entirely from Table 12. This will make the evil negative efficacy go away, right?

Ha, no:

The numbers are unadjusted, it is true; much uncertainty surrounds the size of the unvaccinated population and therefore case rates within that group. What is more, these are cases, not true infection statistics. Nevertheless, res ipsa loquitur. It is not a great look.

In fact, the UKHSA have given us a great gift, in that they finally provide separate case and severe outcome statistics for the triple-vaccinated and the double vaccinated, allowing us to compare rates across all three groups. They don’t do that themselves, of course, but no matter. We can use… Read more »

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A passerby
A passerby
4 years ago

A rapid change of course is what is needed by this government. Unfortunately the converted preaching to the converted in the DS, is not in my opinion, going to make the slightest difference to this government’s trajectory.

Clearly no mainstream media are really interested, the BBC aren’t interested (I’m not sure what their agenda is but the quicker they go paid only, the better, as far as I’m concerned), the majority of the public aren’t interested and want only to believe (without question) what they are told by the state. It’s a tragic situation.

Boris Johnson, (assuming he is still PM) holds all the cards. If he spent less time worrying about Downingspoons and just opened his eyes to see the bigger picture, then perhaps, just perhaps, we might actually start making some real progress. The gestures he makes now will impact on the world stage. The question he’s got to ask himself is, do I feel lucky?

TheGreenAcres
TheGreenAcres
4 years ago

Note the spikes in the unvaccinated, which coincide not with each other but with the vaccine rollout in each age group. This must be an artefact as there is no reason that not being vaccinated while others are should result in a spike in non-Covid mortality.

There is a two week period post-vaccination whereby the individual is not credited with the jab, this is skewing the data badly in favour of the latest jab as any adverse events are attributed to the previous group.

Freecumbria
Freecumbria
4 years ago
Reply to  TheGreenAcres

Certainly that’s how UKHA have categorised their case rates and deaths etc in the vaccine surveillance reports.

But the ONS seem to claim otherwise in relation to their 1st November and 20th December publications claiming it’s based on true vaccination status at date of death. But do we believe them? Something is obviously wrong with their data and they can’t explain away the anomalies.

Sayless
Sayless
4 years ago

@Martin Neil for completeness and comparison, could we please see that corresponding charts for COVID mortality alongside their non-COVID counterparts?

Star
Star
4 years ago

Is there any available data for “unvaccinated” and “vaccinated” broken down not just by age group but by health and by healthiness of lifestyle? I’d be interested in such data for any country in the world.

“The risk/benefit of Covid vaccines is best – and most simply – measured by all-cause mortality of vaccinated against unvaccinated, since it avoids the thorny issue of what constitutes a Covid ‘case/infection’.”

But even that kind of data is probably biased towards “vaccination”, because

a lot of pressure to be “vaccinated” is exerted on people who are ill enough – with whatever ailment – to be admitted to hospital, and this is especially so in older age groups I strongly suspect that a “typical” “unvaccinated” person is more careful about looking after their health than a “typical” “vaccinated” person. Not only are they a) more likely to know basic facts such as the distinction between Covid and SARSCoV2, but b) having resisted government promotion of “vaccination” they are probably also less likely to stuff their faces with biscuits, Coca-Cola, pizza, and booze just because such items are heavily advertised; and c) they probably know more about basic health needs such as getting exercise and… Read more »

Freecumbria
Freecumbria
4 years ago
Reply to  Star

See figure 3 of that ONS release of 20th December for the age 70-79 age group (and the chart I’ve produced of percentage in poor health from their ‘download this chart’)

The ONS say ‘health status is defined as poor where either the number of recorded hospital episodes since 1 January 2020 is 12 or more or the number of comorbidities is 2 or more. 13% of 70-79 year olds were in the very poor health group‘.

Unless I’m completely misreading it the ONS are indirectly agreeing that there wasn’t an overall selection of the healthy for first vaccination (because the green line never really gets above 13%).

But in their 1st November publication the ONS say (my emphasis added) therefore the mortality rates are based on a very small percentage of the elderly population, which may not be representative of the elderly population in general. For example, this group may include people who did not receive a second vaccination after receiving the first because of being hospitalised for a serious condition. Similar patterns are observed for the “unvaccinated” and “within 21 days of first dose” groups at earlier times of the year. This effect is much… Read more »

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ImpObs
ImpObs
4 years ago

Whereas the non-Covid mortality rate for the unvaccinated should be

consistent with historical mortality rates (and if anything, slightly

lower than the vaccinated non-Covid mortality rate), it is not only

higher than the vaccinated mortality rate, but it is far higher than the

historical mortality rate.

In previous years, each of the

60-69, 70-79 and 80+ groups have mortality peaks at the same time during

the year (including 2020 when all suffered the April Covid peak at the

same time). Yet in 2021 each age group has non-Covid mortality peaks for

the unvaccinated at a different time, namely the time that vaccination

rollout programmes for those cohorts reach a peak (see below).

I wonder what definition they’re using for “unvaccinated”

with double dose vaccinated split into less than and greater than 21 days

Does that mean the single dose “vaccinated” are all classed as “unvaccinated”? I guess we’d need to know the size of that cohort to join any dots, I guess that’s why they don’t tell us, and their data is pants.

This is the 21st century FFS this is the best quality data management/presntation/transparency they could provide? Or are they trying to hide inconvinient data?

Mumbo Jumbo
Mumbo Jumbo
4 years ago
Reply to  ImpObs

This is one thing that could explain the peaks occurring in the few weeks after the start of vaccinations in each age group. In the two lower age groups this is quite pronounced.

Freecumbria
Freecumbria
4 years ago
Reply to  ImpObs

The ONS claim in relation to their 1st November and 20th December publications that it’s based on true vaccination status at date of death. But do we believe them? Something is obviously wrong with their data and they can’t explain away the anomalies.

stewart
stewart
4 years ago

I feel like I’m living in some sort of alternate reality.

Let’s see, there is a spike in “non-vaccinated” deaths around the time people are getting jabbed. And we know that people aren’t considered jabbed until 2 weeks after being jabbed.

Why do we have to act as if this is incredibly mysterious?

The jabs have caused a spike in deaths.

There, I’ve said it. Wasn’t so hard, was it?

Lucan Grey
Lucan Grey
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

correlation isn’t causation.

More likely they picked up a disease while going for a jab. They are usually undertaken in closed rooms by a bunch of people who fervently believe masks are magic disease warding devices.

They caught a transmissible illness by mixing with other people in a shared airspace.

CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

That might be tenable to some (but limited) extent where people are very elderly and/or with serious conditions which put them at risk from respiratory infections, but the chances of it aplying to any extent to most age groups other than the very elderly is pretty remote. There has to be another reason (and we can have a good guess at what it might be).

Beowulf
Beowulf
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

What disease?

BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Ayeeeeeee.

Bed time wee man. That would have been flagged by track and trace easily.

RW
RW
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Let’s take this for granted. The implication would be that merely getting vaccinated is already killing people, regardless of any vaccine side-effects. That’s certainly going to increase trust in the health authorities!

Do you really want to live forever? Why not get vaccinated now!

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Ah. Like masking, it’s a filthy habit…

CovidiotAntiMasker
CovidiotAntiMasker
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Can’t fault your logic.The establishments logic differs in that if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it’s certainly not a duck. Go figure.

Sayless
Sayless
4 years ago

The simplist explanation I can think of for the higher non-covid unvaxxed deaths is that these people actually had covid but they were not tested or diagnosed.

maggie may
maggie may
4 years ago
Reply to  Sayless

Or more likely, as others have pointed out elsewhere, they died within 14 days of being vaccinated and are therefore categorised by ONS as unvaxxed. I assume that#s what they mean above by ‘systematic miscategorisation of deaths’

Thumb
Thumb
4 years ago
Reply to  maggie may

Watch this, it explains it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6umArFc-fdc

CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
4 years ago
Reply to  maggie may

Quite. Given the eagerness to attribute as many deaths as possible to Covid, the chances of a load of people dying of it and it not being noticed that this was the cause is pretty remote.

Freecumbria
Freecumbria
4 years ago
Reply to  CynicalRealist

Yes. That’s clear when you look at covid labelled vs non covid deaths. In Winter 2020/2021 they mis-allocated many deaths from other causes to covid as you can see from this chart.

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Lucan Grey
Lucan Grey
4 years ago
Reply to  Sayless

It’s a statistical anomaly which you can get in aggregated categorised data.

Will
Will
4 years ago

So, am I right in thinking, that the “14 day after vaccination” caveat, that they have applied to cover the depression of the immune system after vaccination, could actually end up highlighting that the vaccines have been killing people? Now that would be darkly amusing.

Lucan Grey
Lucan Grey
4 years ago
Reply to  Will

There’s a far simpler explanation than the unproved ‘depression of the immune system’. They’ve just visited a room where lots of people have wandered through it and breathed the air.

Will
Will
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

The burden of proof isn’t on me, bud. The ONS need to explain what is happening.

Beowulf
Beowulf
4 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

And died of what? Remember these deaths are ‘non-Covid19’. What mysterious disease have they contracted? The more obvious explanation is it was the vax what done them in, while they were still being classed as ‘unvaccinated’.

Thumb
Thumb
4 years ago

See Prof. Norman Fenton on this topic. He shows how the ONS data is fiddled and that vaccines have no impact on all cause mortality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6umArFc-fdc

Lucan Grey
Lucan Grey
4 years ago
Reply to  Thumb

This is Prof Norman Fenton on the topic. The article is a precis of their paper.

Dodgy Geezer
Dodgy Geezer
4 years ago

Surely the only justification for a mandatory vaccination would be if we had a disease killing large numbers of people, spreading rapidly, and a vaccination was the only thing which stopped it spreading?

in this case we have a disease with minor lethality, it’s already spread rapidly, and vaccination doesn’t stop this.

So people may get vaccinated if they like – it may be helpful in some cases, but the Covid vaccination is far less useful to the general population than the measles or polio vaccines.

And they are not mandatory…

CovidiotAntiMasker
CovidiotAntiMasker
4 years ago
Reply to  Dodgy Geezer

Odd isn’t it , must one gargantuan cock up.

Anonymous
Anonymous
4 years ago

“Do Covid Vaccines Reduce All-Cause Mortality?”

 
One of the most important things people need to be made aware of about these “vaccines” is that very early in their roll-out they overshot the benchmark that legally obliges pharmaceutical companies to withdraw vaccines because they are doing recipients more harm than good.
 
The other most important thing about these “vaccines” is that they intend to make it a legal obligation for citizens to take them. If you want to start a civil war in any country, this is a sure-fire way to do so.  
 
A quote from DailyHistory.org:

“What was the main cause of the Spanish Civil War?



“The main cause of the Spanish Civil War was the failure of Spanish democracy. This was because there was a refusal by the Spanish parties and groups to compromise and respect democratic norms.”

 
Replace Spanish for Austrian in this quote and see how scumbag bullies and totalitarians cause history to repeat itself.
 
What directly led to the Spanish Civil War was the 1936 general election in Spain, which saw a victory for a left-wing alliance of Communists, Anarchists and Socialists. This bloody concoction of arrogant imbeciles is exactly what will… Read more »

CovidiotAntiMasker
CovidiotAntiMasker
4 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

Carrie wants to make them mandatory (especially for the pregnant) it’s all her hubby ever talks about,the garrulous old fokker.

Richard Austin
Richard Austin
4 years ago

Put very simply: if you die within a certain number of days after having the jab you are classed as Unvaccinated. This has been happening in America all along and it obvious from the data that it is happening here as well. This is completely and utterly wrong: these things are killing people in their droves and it is being deliberately covered up.

Strange Loop
Strange Loop
4 years ago

Um…

https://www.planet-today.com/2021/12/covid-jabs-appear-to-expose-people-to.html

William of Occam’s shaving device remains untarnished, but this is all olds (as opposed to news)

And applying it to help understand what’s happened, is happening, and why … tells us that ‘Living with Covid’ could make ‘Living with Piers Morgan’ a rather attractive alternative.

tick tock

beornwulf
beornwulf
4 years ago
Reply to  Strange Loop

Thank you for sending that link. It may answer an issue that cropped up this week. In conversation with a friend one lunchtime, one of the ‘great and thankful fully jabbed’, he claimed that nurses he knows at QMC Nottingham had told him that most of the covid patients there were unjabbed. I held back from saying that I suspected that someone, somewhere was telling porkies. This very definition of ‘unvaccinated’ itself may be the key to this, for we already know that covid cases spiked after the vaccination programme started. They’re clearly trying their best to continually confuse us.

Strange Loop
Strange Loop
4 years ago
Reply to  Strange Loop

Plenty more where that came from. Check out The Highwire.

https://thehighwire.com/watch/

We’ve known the ‘How?’ for a long time.

´Who?´ is pretty obvious – pretty much everyone where there’s power to be levered. This took a great deal of planning and a few rehearsals.

But the ´Why?´ is something I wish more people had asked themselves. Including those who think they are acting responsibly but are truly complicit.

Scientism is so bloody dangerous

Free Lemming
Free Lemming
4 years ago

The fact that they are delaying and obfuscating data tells you all you need to know.

maverick999
maverick999
4 years ago

Has anyone seen these death figures from the ONS? Unbelievable! If true, it HAS to be headline news!!!
https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/covid19deathsandautopsiesfeb2020todec2021

stewart
stewart
4 years ago
Reply to  maverick999

The total is 6183. Males, 3362, Females, 2821.

WTF.

CynicalRealist
CynicalRealist
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

They’ve got the get-out that they made it far harder to authorise autopsies for “Covid” deaths – and made it very easy for deaths to be certified as “Covid” when that was actually doubtful.

Then they made it easier to authorise cremation (no chance then of going back and checking).

This was clearly all planned. Those who are clued up can see what’s happening, but they’ve succeeded in polluting the data to such an extent that it’s very difficult to prove anything. The difference between the autopsies showing Covid and the “Covid deaths” figure will be explained away by all those claimed to have died from/with Covid but where an autiopsy wasn’t “required”. Of course they must know how dodgy all this looks, but at the same time how can the scale of the deception be conclusively proven given the meaningless data?

BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
4 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Deaths from “Covid only” in UK – through December 2021 (from above link):

3 deaths under age 20

23 deaths under age 30

BillRiceJr
BillRiceJr
4 years ago
Reply to  BillRiceJr

Age: Deaths from only Covid:

0 to 1: 1
1 to 4: 0
5 to 9: 0
10 to 14: 1
15 to 19: 1

20 to 24: 5
25 to 29: 15
30 to 34: 31
35 to 39: 57
40 to 44: 76
45 to 49: 130

50 to 54: 190
55 to 59: 226
60 to 64: 356

65 to 69: 398
70 to 74: 561
75 to 79: 647
80 to 84: 894
85 to 89: 1003
90+:     1491

Nessimmersion
Nessimmersion
4 years ago
Reply to  maverick999

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