Emmanuel Macron has caused some consternation by saying that he wants to “piss off” the unvaccinated. And you can understand why. Politicians – especially ones purporting to be liberal – don’t usually base their policies on the goal of “pissing off” a subset of the electorate.
Even Donald Trump chose his words more carefully. Perhaps Macron will call up his old friend to get some advice on the art of rhetoric.
Yet as Will Jones notes, Macron does deserve credit for being honest. Unlike other politicians who’ve dabbled in vaccine passports, he’s not claiming to be concerned about the ‘externality of transmission’. Rather, he wants to punish the unvaccinated until they make the ‘right’ choice.
Under proposed legislation, only the fully vaccinated (is that three or four jabs?) will qualify for the country’s new health pass. Those who present a negative test will not. Since a vaccinated person is far more likely to spread the virus than someone with a negative test, we know this law isn’t designed to stop transmission.
Of course, if it were designed to stop transmission, that wouldn’t make any more sense. The latest infection numbers show that vaccine passports have failed spectacularly in this regard.
After outlining his shrewd public health strategy of “pissing off” the unvaccinated, Macron added: “When my freedoms threaten those of others, I become someone irresponsible. Someone irresponsible is not a citizen.” Now the unvaccinated aren’t citizens? That escalated quickly…
The only justification I can imagine for Macron’s new policy is the one Andrew Neil gave in his op-ed for the Daily Mail. Since the unvaccinated are more likely to wind up in hospital, they place a greater burden on the national health service.
Yet, as I’ve pointed out before, this argument implies we should punish anyone who makes choices that lead to above-average hospital usage. For example, we could introduce obesity passports; or passports for skateboarders, rugby players or people who get drunk on a Friday night.
By Macron’s logic, obese people’s freedom to get fat threatens his freedom not to wait in line at the hospital. Are the obese also unworthy of citizenship?
More than 90% of French adults have already received the vaccine. And a lot of the rest have probably had Covid. Instead of threatening people with crass barroom talk, Macron might consider that quaint old tactic – persuasion.
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What an infandous little weasel President Omicrom is!!
No, but the state should punish politicians for making hate speeches and inciting hate.
Macron, with his election in April looming, has instigated a vindictive act solely against UK citizens by treating us all as a special case – wholly set apart from their Green, Amber Red system – and closing their border with the UK…The French Consulate’s website states that the justification for this was because the UK Government had stated that “a tidal wave” of Omicron is approaching the UK – they quoted from the UK .gov.uk webpages.
Trouble is, when I wrote last night to them, I threw it back in their faces: Worldmeter stats showed the following:
UK : new cases – 194K ( 149K )
France : new cases – 334K ( 125K)
I invited them to do the maths – I made it that France was facing a massive tsunami as their cases on that day were 170% higher: todays figures for completeness in brackets because I am not a “Whitty” type liar.
I also pointed out that Germany has removed their draconian travel rules against the UK, because they recognise Moronic is “out there”, is massively transmissable, massive infectious, and massively less morbid/lethal than any other SARS COV2 induced CV19 symptoms ( or is it the… Read more »
The only person that should be punished is this sorry excuse for a head of state. Remember when we used to punish people for murder, terrorism, child abuse. Well that has changed folks. Now Emmanuel woukd like to start punishing people who simply declined a medical experiment with minimal if any safety or efficacy data. Yes, the new definition of “crime”.
Persuasion!! We’ve gone far beyond that. Those of us who have refused up until now can see this for what it is. I am more than ever determined not to give in – whatever the cost! Giving in to bullies has never worked and it won’t now!
En Marche is liberal is it? I wondered what they stood for apart from a technocratic elite.
What a plonker.
Oh, come on, when he says “is not a citizen” he really means “is not human”. We know this song.
Should rapists punish women who wear skimpy clothes?
Mr. Trudeau (the Prime Minister of Canada) called people who refused to take vax extremists, racist and misogynist in September 2021 (and few times after); beating Macron by few months on showing that the vaccine intension is to create the class known in the Stalin’s and Mao’s time as “the enemies of the people”.
Vaccine is your pass out of this class.
In you die on a way out, it is a noble way to die.
Welcome to “new normal”, which is not really new, comrades, residents of the Western Countries.
You accepted this transformation 2 years ago, now prepare for consequences.
Ivermectin not only cures Covid/Flu like symptoms but recently researchers found that Ivermectin inhibits Esophageal Cancer! Search “Ivermectin induces apoptosis of esophageal squamous cell carcinoma via mitochondrial pathway” on googl. This is great news. No wonder they say wonder drug. Buy Ivermectin while you still can! https://ivmpharmacy.com
Can we please stop this But the obese skateboarders getting drunk on Friday nights! argument? The people who are behind so-called public health policy would certainly absolutely love to do that as well, or rather, would love to be able to utilize the state to punish people who make other lifestyle choice than they happen to make.
Macron is a fool, a bully and a coward and the reason he wants to piss on unvaccinated French people (probably a better translation) is because he needs someone to blame for the failure of his own policies and to justify continuing with them nevertheless.
Aside: Trump aspired to be the leader of a nation. Biden in the USA or Macron in France have no such ambitions. They consider themselves leader of the ruling tribe and a terror for everyone else.
Does Macron not understand the absurd logic he’s applying? If you make choices or suffer conditions that prevent you getting a ‘health’ passport, for all the medical conditions that ‘burden the health service’ such that the line is empty, (i) that includes him, and (ii) if he’s not in need, what does it matter?
Plus if we get vaccinated, we become at risk from the unvaccinated..
Why should people be persuaded to take an experimental gene therapy medical treatment?
So Bill can reprogram your software of life. To do what, I do not know.
Clippy might know.
Lets see how far he gets .its well known that when the French are pissed off things happen.The guy is a populist chancer who may well be strung up like Mussolini if he carries on like this .people dont like being bullied .
And here was I thinking that Emmanuel Macron was pretty much the antithesis of a “populist”…
Yep. We are already sliding down the slipperiest of slopes. All the “precedents” have been established.
So what’s next? Mandatory weigh-ins for the “protection of the children?”
Somehow I don’t think Big Ag or Big Food Processing will allow this “reform,” but then again anything is now possible in our “New Normal.”
I think children in state schools already have mandatory weigh ins. A friend of mine was outraged when she was told her 5 year old was overweight (he looked normal, but admittedly did appear to be made entirely of lead, even as a baby).
Being overweight, I suppose most people would look at me and think “That tubsy bloke is costing me money with his bad life choices” – I’ve joined “slimmer world” because I want to be fitter, but I could end up saving you money by not living so long if I continue to be overweight.
So my health choice is to lose weight which means I might live longer and this might cost you more money in the future if the state pension still exists by then.
If I go for a jog and end up injuring myself by falling over and breaking my leg, this too will cost you money.
Should we just get rid of “free at the point of use” because people really don’t like paying for other people?
SUGGESTED PRICE LIST
Heart Attack -> £15,000
Ambulance -> £15 per mile
Childbirth -> £10,000 – if you can’t pay, you must abort your child
Sports Injury -> £4,500 per broken bone
Vaccines -> FREE
…
Being overweight -> +25% on the above
If you can’t pay without being bankrupted -> No “NHS” Care. Automatic DNR + Liverpool “care” pathway / midazolam? (relatives to pay for the midazolam doses)
The world keeps conveniently forgetting that these vaxes are experimental. You have to volunteer to take part in the experiment and agree to lose various rights for the pleasure. BUPA won’t insure you for vax injuries and your chance of compensation for vax injury is just about zero. How can anyone get so upset with someone else for deciding not to take part in an experiment? How can they then ordain that you can be discriminated against on the basis of non participation? Seems slightly creepy to me.
BUPA won’t insure you for vax injuries and your chance of compensation for vax injury is just about zero. …..Good point, another very good reason not to get the EXPERIMENTAL jab ,you’re not insured, surely any rational person would demand cover first.
“Instead of threatening people with crass barroom talk, Macron might consider that quaint old tactic – persuasion.”
And this is from a so called sceptical site!!! why is state coercion justified anyway? the risks with the completely rigged figures are incredibly low unless you are very old, obese or have other serious health problems. Talk about keeping people in the Overton window. Flogging a dead ‘pandemic’.
Italy France Germany Austria Ireland all vilifying th eunvaxxed NAZI style the UK just starting to regain some common sense by the look of it, we hope.
What do these nations have in common?
Globalist control via the EU, we know who actually runs the EU do we not, leaving was more important than even Brexiteers realised before this cynical ploy to stamp out freedom wqs started by Globalists.
Europe is descending ito Facism again.
The US is teetering on the brink with the Globalist owned Biden administration, I have a feeling they’ll fail there, there is much resistance growing.
Are we going to have to liberate Europe again?
As for Australia and New Zealand, God help them, Globlaist controlled again.
Yes.. I was asking on this forum yesterday why the UK was out of ‘lockstep’ with our newly fascist Western partners. It’s odd. I voted for Brexit as an act of political vandalism; it might have been simply because Tony Blair didn’t want me to. I think you’re right, escaping the EU when we did may ultimately save our lives.
I wish I shared that optimism CG – I can see how it might appear for the time being that UK is out of lockstep with the rest of Europe – but at the drop of a hat that could fall away and we’d be right back into line with them. If we didn’t have the hated vaxx passports in the rest of the UK [NI/Wales/Scot] I’d feel more optimistic, but all the news coming out of those regions is bad – NHS on brink of collapse etc.
90 percent of French adults have fallen for the bullshit. Shame on them. I thought the French were clued up and understood that these leaders are not their friends
I know expats in France – who I would have considered to be clued up and intelligent, who have fallen hook line and sinker for the whole thing, think Macron is doing “a great job”, would vote for him if they weren’t ex-pats and are fully jabbed up so that they can participate in normal life. They are about to get their youngest child his first jab so that he isn’t excluded from normal life also. I despair. I really do.
What we must do, I think, is to impress this point on those who are fully vaxxed. It’s imperative they understand that this policy absolutely won’t begin and end with those of us who – for whatever reason – have declined the offer to be jabbed. We need to get them on board.
One possible (likely?) consequence of all of this is that fat people, smokers, drinkers and anyone else who undertakes an activity the state declares unacceptable will be denied NHS treatment. Therefore, those people (i.e. the majority) will either have to do without or, (and this is what the agenda is, I suspect), they’ll be driven by the millions towards the warm embrace of private medical/health insurance companies. Just imagine the premiums for a trawlerman who smokes, has a penchant for pasties and donuts and is inclined to ‘celebrate’ when back on dry land! Ultimately, the NHS will be reserved for the super fit and healthy suffering from acute ailments, and will only need a fifth of what it is now in terms of size and budget.
Anyone have an email address for any of the DS editors? There appears to be no ‘contact us’ link that I can find on the website.
It used to be [email protected] I think.
‘Ere you go, Nix:
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Many Thanks!
I think unhealthy people are in the vast majority in the UK … and USA. That creates political obstacles to denying them treatment.
A survey of Americans (aged 20-100) suggested that only 20% were metabolically healthy. In the over-65s, it might be down to a few percent.I doubt that the NHS has even done a survey, it does spend a lot less money on healthcare (per person) than the US system.
“Macron might consider that quaint old tactic – persuasion”
The problem with that is that he would need a reasoned, evidence-based case.
The thuggery is a mark of the falsity of the case.
good point.
I am rational (PhD Physics, 30 year scientific career) – I know covid is harmless (for me) I understand stats – I know nothing of vaccine long term effects, I know it wont contribute to herd immunity, I’ve had covid (mild)
I have made a rational, evidence based decision not to be vaccinated (for this, I’ve had everything else happily).
If someone wants to make a better opposing case then I’m all ears. But it seems they can’t – proof that they can’t is their resorting to threats and abuse.
The threats and abuse ‘prove’ they don’t have a rational case and is a good reason not to have the vaccine in itself.
Its a terrifying road to go down. Who do we decide is making the “right” health choices. As we have discussed here before obesity costs the country enormously but as yet we haven’t shut these people out of society. Are we to say rock climbers or any extreme sports must stop because head injuries cost society? What about the children born with disabilities or the elderly with dementia? It’s an argument that I find very disturbing.
Also surely Macron and other so called leaders must be causing possible radicalisation issues in their communities as it seems proportionally more black and Asian folks are less likely to get these vaccines. Who can blame them, I have lost any trust I had in authorities and I was not outside of society until my decision not to have one of these vs.
The Serb is to contest his deportation case in court
Presumably the Aussie Dictatorship will have to prove that the ‘vaccines’ work and are safe
Good luck with that one
Bring it on
I suspect the Oz court will default to the line that it is not their responsibility to decide on the efficacy of the injections rather it is their responsibility to determine their requirement for entry to the country. On that argument he will lose.
It is of course reasonable to expect that good lawyers can post some embarrassing facts that will gain worldwide attention even if they know they are on a lost cause. The Aussie government know this too.
I am not wholly convinced this will get in to court.
Don’t I also have the right not to be persuaded? When does persistent and energetic persuasion cross the line to coercion? At what point during the entire sorry covid narrative have both or all sides of any facet of the pandemic and its ramifications been presented without bias? The writer really ought to have given more thought to his punch line. As for Macron, his posturing on the world stage have already persuaded any right thing person about his suitability for high office. He’s toast.
That implies there are majority of ‘right thinking people’ voting in France. Firstly the percentage of voters declines year by year, secondly those that do vote contain many of his 55-80 yr old supporters. Its his to lose I’m sorry to say.
Anyone who had the AZ gene therapy before the beginning of September 2021 and has not been boosted is completely unvaccinated. Are these people to be harassed and “pissed off” until they get a booster every six weeks, or is simply having had a dose enough, and if so, why, when they no longer protect?
This question gets to the heart of what the actual fuck we are witnessing. Although open to all interpretations, currently it looks to me like governments have been just as had by the pharmaceutical industry as the poor souls who’ve rolled their sleeves up. One things for sure – the huge differences in (farcical) national responses at this stage looks anything but ‘lockstep’.
I don’t agree with you on this CG (unusual). Governments are complicit. The very fact they provide immunity from prosecutions to big pharma confirms that.
Yes, and then there was the hiring of AI experts by UKGvt to calculate mass adverse reactions many months ago. I don’t even agree with myself. Sorry.
I’m an unreliable narrator.
I am not sure that is necessarily as sinister as it sounds.
If you are a Pharma company being urged to bring out a new vaccine pronto, you’re going to say ” well we can do it carefully, safely and thoroughly, and it will take time or we could do a rush job, cut a few corners, but there are risks and we don’t want to take them as we will get sued to buggery and our shareholders won’t be happy”
So the government is going to umm and ahhh – if they believe there is a deadly pandemic going around (and certainly some of them will be hypnotised into thinking there is, at least) – and a heavily hypnotised population demanding something be done – then they’ll say “don’t worry, do what you need to do, we will remove liability”
Did governments know the vaccines were going to be as awful as they are? probably not. They are idiots. And I include Vallance/Witty in that. Vallance has long track record in investing in drugs that quite evidently were not going to work, based on any objective evaluation of earlier clinical data.
Did the Pharma companies? quite… Read more »
I am sure you are right about this process Sophie. That being the case, then knowing the brief given to big Pharma in this case, and knowing that corners would be cut and immunity from liability would be granted, then governments have absolutely no business whatsoever in either mandating this medical treatment [they know it isn’t a vaccine] or subjecting the population to coercion via vaxx passports.
Over Christmas I had an encounter with my sister who I had not seen for 2 years. She has a PhD in international politics and is generally well-read, moralistic and informed. Boy, was she ignorant about all of this. It hadn’t occurred to her in the slightest that any of this could be regarded as tyrannical. She had recently had her booster of course – the Pfizer (having chosen AZ for the first two ‘for ethical reasons 😵💫🤪’ she had never heard of Anthony Fauci; she laughed when I said that vaccination had been made mandatory in Austria – “Where did you read that?” she said mockingly. She hadn’t heard about any side effects whatsoever, and couldn’t see what the problem was with vaccinating young children. She thought the measures were temporary and couldn’t see what all the fuss in our household was about. It was extraordinary.
I say this because it’s worth remembering that as sceptics we have become experts and shouldn’t underestimate the abject ignorance of those who have been had. Education is key. When they attack the ‘unvaccinated’, they’re really talking about people who bother to do their own reading.
A Guardian reader?
nailed on
Oh yes. Although she’s also an erstwhile Corbyn supporter who ended up getting tremendously angry with them about their anti-semitism misinformation. This has hit the left (of which I would once have described myself) right in the blind spot.
Wow!
I can relate to that a bit.
My sister, who has a biology related PhD is also Vaccinated 🤦♂️
I haven’t spoken to her about the other stuff.
You’re right re ignorance of the general populace Vs us skeptics being educated on what’s really going on.
I reckon I spend at least an hour a day researing this stuff.
Including currently reading the excellent “The Real Anthony Fauci” book which is VERY red-pilling !
If I could cut my intake down to an hour a day, My wife would be delighted and the kids would be like, oh, hi dad.
Absolutely spot on.
as for Macron – I would generally discount anything said by someone that thought it was a good idea to marry Iggy Pop
Men like Macron and Trudeau want to wind their necks in before their citizens revert to the traditional method of replacing them.
Can I finish that statement….”wind their necks in….on second thoughts…”
I have not taken the government approved commercial treatment in any form over the past two years. I follow my own health regimen. I am fit, I am healthy, I have not been unwell over the past two years. I have not been a burden to anyone or any state medical institution over the past two years. I have carried on working and have not taken any time off work for any reason other than holiday’s. I continue, at present, to pay taxes.
So, why exactly does the state and their acolytes wish to demonise me, restrict my civil liberties and punish me?
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