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No, the NHS is Not Being Overwhelmed by the Unvaccinated

by Will Jones
22 December 2021 8:00 AM

The amount of misinformation being put out by Government ministers and senior medics about the proportion of unvaccinated people in hospital with Covid is reaching a new level that is beginning to feel disturbingly sinister.

When lockdown sceptics are joining in with the condemnation, you know the problem has ratcheted up a notch or three.

The normally reliable Philip Johnston in the Telegraph points the finger at the unvaccinated for threatening the capacity of the health service, citing a number of misleading claims.

The panacea, we are told, is to get boosted. Yet by definition the refuseniks will not get a third jab when they have not been vaccinated in the first place. I understand if someone does not want to get jabbed. It is their body and they are entitled to say they do not want to be medicated. We cannot force them to. But if the consequence of that decision is to place others at risk then it cannot be allowed to pass by default. We all understand, too, that some people for a variety of medical reasons cannot have the vaccine.

In order to persuade a greater take-up of jabs, the Government wanted to bring in vaccine passports for certain settings but watered these down to include proof of a negative test, which rather defeats the object. Scores of Tory MPs voted against even this on the grounds that such a measure was illiberal.

But the Conservative Party has never been a libertarian movement. It is supposed to believe that with rights come responsibilities. Opponents of heavy-handed state action against the citizen often quote J S Mill’s famous dictum: “The only purpose for which power can rightfully be exercised over any member of a civilised society, against his will, is to prevent harm to others.” I agree with that. I don’t see why I should have restrictions placed on me when I am unlikely to cause harm to others.

But that is not necessarily true of the unvaccinated. According to Sajid Javid, the Health Secretary, nine in 10 Covid patients needing the most care are unjabbed. A similar point was made by Sadiq Khan, the London mayor, who said the “vast, vast majority” of seriously ill people were unjabbed, identifying “black Londoners, Muslim Londoners, Jewish Londoners and eastern European Londoners” as groups that are proving particularly resistant. Why is this?

In the absence of comprehensive official data, we are having to rely on anecdotal evidence, but I know several hospital consultants who tell of seriously ill patients being transferred to critical care units who are still unvaccinated, taking up emergency beds needed for other patients.

One told me that so far he had not seen anyone in intensive care who had been jabbed, suggesting that even if vaccinated people are getting sick, they’re not getting as sick. This should be good news, even with the onset of Omicron, and yet here we are again facing a lockdown to preserve the NHS from collapse.

The claims Johnston repeats here are, at best, highly misleading. Take Sajid Javid’s line that “nine in 10 Covid patients needing the most care are unjabbed”. This stat has been repeated often by the haters-of-the-unvaccinated in recent days, but their source is rarely stated. It appears to refer to the claim made by NHS England at the start of December that, as the Times reports, “between July and November more than nine in 10 patients receiving the most specialist care, in which artificial lungs were used to try to save their lives, were unvaccinated”.

That raw statistic may be true (it is not in the public domain), but any implication that it means the unvaccinated are adding considerable pressure to health service resources doesn’t withstand scrutiny since the numbers involved here are miniscule. As Dr Clare Craig points out, over recent weeks there have only been one or two new Covid admissions being put onto an ‘artificial lung’ ECMO machine each week.

UKHSA

What about Sadiq Khan’s claim that the “vast, vast majority” of seriously ill people are unjabbed? It is, once again, asserted without providing a source, and in this case it appears to be flatly contradicted by the published data.

According to the latest data published by the UKHSA, a minority of Covid hospital admissions in the month ending December 12th – 42.9% – were unvaccinated. According to the latest data from ICNARC, a minority of Covid ICU admissions in October – 46.7% – and a minority in the two-week period November 1st to 14th – 47.5% – were unvaccinated. ICNARC has not published any more recent data than that on the ratio of unvaccinated to vaccinated Covid patients in ICU. If it has changed dramatically since then, that data is not in the public domain.

A Telegraph editorial on Monday drew on the same set of myths and even followed it up with an implied threat.

We were assured that if we were vaccinated – and most of us answered the call – the Government would pursue a different policy, of learning to live with Covid. The main reason that this is being abandoned is not because the new strain is especially dangerous to most people but because hospitals risk being overwhelmed, mainly by people who have refused the jab. What is to be done about them?

Et tu, Telegraph?

In January, the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (the organisation which includes the European Court of Human Rights), adopted a resolution urging member states and the European Union to ensure that “citizens are informed that the vaccination is not mandatory and that no one is under political, social or other pressure to be vaccinated if they do not wish to do so” and that “no one is discriminated against for not having been vaccinated, due to possible health risks or not wanting to be vaccinated”.

There are many reasons a person may choose not to be vaccinated, particularly if he or she is young, healthy, or has had Covid already, and is wary of the novel genetic technology and unusually high level of reported adverse events. This should be respected, without prejudice or discrimination. There should be no question of penalising him or her, anymore than, say, smokers, drinkers or motorcyclists should be penalised for making what is deemed by health authorities to be a higher risk choice.

Previously the haters-of-the-unvaccinated focused on infection rates and the claim that the unvaccinated spread the disease far more than the vaccinated. Once that claim collapsed they switched to hospital admissions. When the data there is lacking, they either make stuff up, use data from six months ago, or find obscure statistics involving tiny numbers of people to find something, anything, that sounds sufficiently scary to demonise the unvaccinated.

Apart from anything else, whatever happened to simply being a decent human being?

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago

I don’t like the sound of this.

Army to announce it has developed a single vaccine that protects from ALL variants of COVID and SARS

  • Walter Reed Army Institute of Research is set to announce the development of a vaccine that is effective against all COVID and SARS variants 
  • The Spike Ferritin Nanoparticle COVID-19 vaccine (SpFN) has so far been proven to protect against all existing and potential variants of the viruses 
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BS665
BS665
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

But it won’t work, as usual. Just adding bundles of sticks to their own pyre. And what a barbecue they will endure!

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bOrgkilLaH1of7
bOrgkilLaH1of7
3 years ago
Reply to  BS665

Indeed BS665

The paid for nudge unit psyop misinformation campaign demonizing the unvaxxed is being ramped-up, as is the Omnichronic bollox.

You see you simply cannot have 30% of the UK population running around willy-nilly as a non-jabbed control group. This is a BIG problem for the GPPP agenda, hence the hysterics for crushing us down into compliance.

The NHS has been in “crisis” every winter for fuck knows how long….

What’s new?

Ignore the fear porn… hold the line.

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J4mes
J4mes
3 years ago
Reply to  bOrgkilLaH1of7

I think most of us here have no problem ignoring the fear porn, but I wish that were true of the rest of the population.

But rather than ignoring it, I believe we need to expose it and counter it. If we collectively raise complaints with the regulators in large enough numbers, they’ll be forced to take action one way or the other.

We know they’re breaking the journalistic code with their discrimination and hate speech. The regulators know they’re breaking the code. Let’s see how they respond.

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MickW
MickW
3 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

Maybe they’re starting to get rattled …

https://www.theepochtimes.com/uk-legal-team-applies-to-have-vaccines-withdrawn-immediately_4168279.html

https://www.thebernician.net/midazolam-murders-pub-lay-charges-in-magistrates-court/

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neilhartley
neilhartley
3 years ago
Reply to  MickW

Anyone looking for a little hope should read these – particularly the Epoch Times one which is directly targeted at the whole Covid fraud.

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twinkytwonk
twinkytwonk
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Of course it has. Ring me back when you’ve got a permanent cure for the common cold

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ian j
ian j
3 years ago
Reply to  twinkytwonk

Wasn’t Porton down called ‘The Common cold research centre’back in the ’60’s when it had to advertise for volunteers to take experimental jabs?

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  ian j

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Henley+Business+park,+Pirbright+Rd,+Normandy,+Guildford+GU3+2DX/

is where the PCR tests go.

go north east and find the Pirbright institute (which caused the foot and mouth outbreak) “conveniently” close by.

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Lucan Grey
Lucan Grey
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Sounds promising to me, but let’s wait until the actual medical trials have completed and we have hard data from multiple double-blinded experiments with sufficient depth to provide a solid conclusion.

Something that has been sorely lacking in this whole sorry tale thus far.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

You can fill your veins with nano particles if you like, but count me out!

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Lucan Grey
Lucan Grey
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Well that sort of depends whether you believe in the scientific method or not.

Personally I’m very much for the scientific method and against all forms of woo and medieval fear mongering – including the marketing and PR type that has created The Science(TM).

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Let me clarify something for you. I believe in nature. True science is the study (observation) of the natural world. Your “scientific vaccine method“, a.k.a. applied science, is a subjective emotive human abomination of nature.

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Lucan Grey
Lucan Grey
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Well that’s up to you. Personally I look around me and see that the modern world is a result of human ingenuity and the application of the scientific method, not bowing before nature.

And I’d much rather live in a modern world thank you. Medieval living conditions are not much fun.

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Paul B
Paul B
3 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Modern ingenuity has given us microplastics in our water and foods that we cannot avoid, the food pyramid (and associated diabetic time bomb), genetically modified seeds that are 1 time use and now they are starting to think it’s a good idea to modify the weather and people’s immune systems…

When one of these trial drugs creates something that becomes contagious, or China block out the sun we are all f’ed.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Medieval living conditions are not much fun.

That’s the thing about scientism worshippers, they always show themselves up with an emotional agenda. I presume you’re not a survivor of the medieval period, so what data set is forming your opinion on that era?

Archaeology? LOL.

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zners
zners
3 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

THis is true, but most of that ingenuity was accomplished in the early to mid 20th centuries. From the 90s to now I can comfortably say that humans have accomplished very little asides creating tools to amplify their vanity. Think about what the European Union has achieved since it’s founding for example? Nothing but excuses to push for political change to socialism away from Classic Liberalism, which through competition created amazing things in the 19th century. And in terms of health, we’ve accomplished amazing things in surgery and medication as it involves the mix of both art and science. The best doctors and physicians never go by the book.
But debate has never been allowed with vaccines, hence vaccines have seen zero progress. MRNA technology may be the breakthrough that was very much needed, but clearly it hasn’t been tested thoroughly, and clearly it’s benefits to the public is NOT the primary reason why it is being pushed.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Does that include a Gain of Function engineered bio weapon?

Does it also include drugs that dispense with the scientific method altogether?

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

“Well that sort of depends whether you believe in the scientific method or not.”

Not really. It depends whether you are:

(i) Scared enough to feel the need for “protection” against such minor hazards of ordinary life

(ii) Naive enough to believe that the information and the regulatory systems are not serving the interests of the powerful and the wealthy.

Whatever your self-image might be, if you are scared enough of covid to seek prophylactic protection, you clearly aren’t resistant to “all forms of woo and medieval fear mongering – including the marketing and PR type that has created The Science(TM)”.

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Norman
Norman
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

You might count me in when they have tested it for as long as they usually test pharmaceutical products. I am 75 now so may not be around anyway by then.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  Norman

I might try when they get around to publishing all the trial data so i assume I’ll wait 75 (+2 for the legalities of the FOI) years for full disclosure.

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Norman
Norman
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Is it like cyanide? No-one catches anything after an injection of that.

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Rogerborg
Rogerborg
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Oh, super, then I’ll wait for that one then, after it’s been through full trials.

What rational person wouldn’t?

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Smelly Melly
Smelly Melly
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Has it been in trial long as it typically takes 5 to 12 years to develop and trial a medication.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Bullshit.

Any respectable virologist / epidemiologist will state that vaccines need at least ten years testing and trials. This is a bag of the fag packet brew.

Utter nonsense.

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mishmash
mishmash
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Whitty was touting this idea last week. A magical cure-all when they haven’t yet managed to cure the common cold or create an influenza version, but a new ‘novel virus’ that takes the world by storm? No problem, just give us a couple of years….
Fake treatment for a fake virus.

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Lister of Smeg
Lister of Smeg
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

The problem is they said the same with the similar ‘vaccines’ against the early strains of COVID and that no boosters would be needed. It’s all snake oil sales pitches to sucker everyone into vaccines every few months for life and untold $Bns of profit ad infinitum for the Pharma giants.

Notice how the report doesn’t mention whether any boosters wil need to be administered after thsi new ‘vaccine’ is given? Funny, that.

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TheGreenAcres
TheGreenAcres
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

…and potential variants??

Does that mean the ones they have lined up but haven’t released yet?

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Welshp
Welshp
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

And the sheeple that have swallowed 3 or 4 so far will be flocking up for this also.

Absolutely sickening.

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BS665
BS665
3 years ago

We are winning, and they are being overwhelmed by the fact there is nothing they can do to stab us.

A complete ‘reveal’ of their fraud to the general public is not too far off.

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Rogerborg
Rogerborg
3 years ago
Reply to  BS665

Sorry, that’s a comforting fiction. We[*] lost when social credit score apps were imposed. Everything after that is just mopping up the remaining resistance.

[*] In the general sense of anyone minded to do their own research and make up their own mind on any matter, rather than obeying the Action This Day war-diktats from their Telescreen.

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BS665
BS665
3 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

They’ll need a tremendously large mop to catch us all.

I’m prepared to resist even if they forcibly jab me in 2 years time.

Why bother continuing if we ‘can’t win’?

Let’s see what happens.

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cornubian
cornubian
3 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

We are winning and the increasing numbers of people wising up and refusing to be further injected are testament to that.

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
3 years ago
Reply to  cornubian

Yep, We, the resistance, are mopping up those that have previously been jabbed and are now saying “no more!” This is a huge group who are slowly beginning to see the light. Many we speak to at our campaigning in town are jabbed but are now realising they will have to be oconstantly jabbed. They are worried about where this going now. Many have refused to get their kids jabbed. These are the people that could turn this around!

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

Thank you for your campaigning.

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Hester
Hester
3 years ago
Reply to  BS665

I don’t disagree they are becoming more hysterical as they realise its not working anymore. Big Pharma and money is behind all of this, the Pharma Industry is now more powerful than the Gun lobby and the defence companies in terms of its influence and control of the American Government, and in Europe and the UK, Africa, India and the rest of the third world have largely come through this Pandemic because they have used Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, both of which have been withdrawn for the over the counter use in the USA, Europe and the UK.
We are in the final elements now, they are trying to turn the vaccinated against the unvaccinated, all as a distraction from their need to drive entire populations on to regualr injections in order to make billions for the Pharma Industry. Refuse to join in hate, take back control, they cannot make us do anything, and if we all refuse to obey, they lose their power and they are finished, and all this suffering created by them will be over.

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Portnadler
Portnadler
3 years ago
Reply to  Hester

Brilliant!

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BS665
BS665
3 years ago
Reply to  Hester

Yet their suffering may just be beginning.

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Lucan Grey
Lucan Grey
3 years ago

The key phrase in the piece is

But if the consequence of that decision is to place others at risk then it cannot be allowed to pass by default. 

This is based entirely upon the mistaken belief that vaccination stops transmission, when the evidence is that it doesn’t do much to stop transmission. It’s the same argument as with masks.

Vaccination, if it does anything, reduces the severity of the infection for the person taking the vaccine and statistically that’s all it does. They were never designed to halt transmission. They were designed to reduce death and injury.

Even if we vaccinated 100% of people, the disease would still spread, and people will still end up in hospital. It’s that point we need to get across. It’s not magic juice. In fact it’s a pretty weak first generation prophylactic.

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

They were designed to reduce death and injury.

… the incidence of which is very low, anyway.

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Lucan Grey
Lucan Grey
3 years ago
Reply to  RickH

It is.

However if the harm projected is taking up medical resources, then why aren’t the same people demanding that the proles stop driving cars?

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Libertarianist
Libertarianist
3 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Unfortunately, they do
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/1535798/private-car-ownership-road-driving-changes-updates

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Dave Angel Eco Warrior
Dave Angel Eco Warrior
3 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Yes. You have to keep coming back to that very simple fact. Even without vaccines, death and injury was extremely unlikely.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  Dave Angel Eco Warrior

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/356756711_Latest_statistics_on_England_mortality_data_suggest_systematic_mis-categorisation_of_vaccine_status_and_uncertain_effectiveness_of_Covid-19_vaccination

And even then its probably a stats mirage!

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Rogerborg
Rogerborg
3 years ago
Reply to  RickH

And with an absolute reduction of under 1%. Taking into account vaccine injuries among the young, and increased infection in the double-dosed, I’d wonder if it’s now flipped to positive harm..

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  Rogerborg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aZsn8jm7ZE

Link to explain your comment.

In fact ALL CAUSE mortality during the trial was lower for the placebo group tells you all you need to know (especially when this was covered up).

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Even if we vaccinated 100% of people

More importantly, it would still mutate, & quite possibly become more virulent because of vaccination. Thank the heavens (or evolution) for the sensible caution of the unvaccinated.

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Lucan Grey
Lucan Grey
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

It’s unlikely to become more virulent. Again when you apply science and look at it from the virus’s point of view, it just wants to live and replicate. The best way to do that is to become more transmissible and less deadly to hosts.

Which is what we are seeing with Omicron.

Ideally, if you’re a virus, you don’t want the host to notice they are infected. That way they won’t alter their behaviour and try and kill you.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Yes, Omicron is less virulent, thanks to the poor vaccination rate in Africa.

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Lucan Grey
Lucan Grey
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

More likely the other way around – forcing the virus through vaccinated plasma and then accidentally dropping the vial.

As el gato malo and others have indicated, evidence is strong that Omicron circulates preferentially in the vaccinated. In all likelihood, it is the result of gain-of-function research, in which it was passaged repeatedly through convalescent or vaccinated plasma, in the hopes of helping the virus evade acquired immunity. 

https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/omicron-is-not-normal

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Chris_uk
Chris_uk
3 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Yes, that’s what viruses normally do. But what happens when the virus has a population that is artificially kept alive, even with mutations that would normally kill the host? Then the normal rules don’t apply any more, and we are in a dangerous experiment.

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Lucan Grey
Lucan Grey
3 years ago
Reply to  Chris_uk

You can test that by pretending to be a virus. People who are kept artificially alive are kept like that by killing viruses, but they tend to kill the virulent ones – since that’s the ones that are noticed.

Therefore selection is for those that keep under the radar, and they propagate.

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

No, it’s nothing to do with “noticing”, and it’s not to do with “killing the virulent ones”, it’s to do with where and how the viruses or their effects are addressed.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

Now a jab that causes a viral infection to be more often asymptomatic yet still spread as much would cause what?

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

That’s the whole point of the Marek’s disease observation – if you create a situation where “vaccination” protects against the worst consequences of a disease then you can drive evolution of forms that are tolerated by the vaccinated but deadly to the unvaccinated:

“Over the past fifty years, Marek’s disease—an illness of fowl—has become fouler. Marek’s is caused by a highly contagious virus, related to those that cause herpes in humans. It spreads through the dust of contaminated chicken coops, and caused both paralysis and cancer. In the 1970s, new vaccines brought the disease the under control. But Marek’s didn’t go gently into that good night. Within ten years, it started evolving into more virulent strains, which now trigger more severe cancers and afflict chickens at earlier ages.

Andrew Read from Pennsylvania State University thinks that the vaccines were responsible. The Marek’s vaccine is “imperfect” or “leaky.” That is, it protects chickens from developing disease, but doesn’t stop them from becoming infected or from spreading the virus. Inadvertently, this made it easier for the most virulent strains to survive. Such strains would normally kill their hosts so quickly that they’d die out. But in an immunised flock, they can persist because their lethal nature has been neutered. That’s not a problem for vaccinated individuals. But unvaccinated birds are now in serious trouble.”

Leaky Vaccines Enhance Spread of Deadlier Chicken Viruses

You’ve had this pointed out to you before. Why are you still ignoring it and repeating assertions that are refuted by it?

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Chris_uk
Chris_uk
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

This is what I was trying to say, but this is a much better way of explaining it.

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  Chris_uk

Yes, I up-ticked your comment, but thought it would be useful to add some factual backup…

Though as I noted, I recall having discussed this specific point with Lucan before. For some reason he’s determined not to face up to reality on this point.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

You’re correct in that your post demonstrates a particular phenomenon however, rarely does one size fit all.

Whilst I largely agree with you, it seems we may have an ally from an unexpected source.

A study has been done which claims the Delta variant has been attacked by the common cold virus and neutered it into Omicron.

Personally I think the rate of mutation of this virus (5 variants in the UK in 20 months) demonstrates it’s immature and meeting challenges it has not encountered.

In the normal course of events ‘wild’ virus, be it from bats, pigs, chickens or pangolins would have faced innumerable challenges which, had it survived, would have ensured its robustness.

Which suggests to me the theory of a lab produced virus is all the more credible as the challenges it would face would be nowhere near that of a wild version.

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janvanruth
janvanruth
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

a virus being attacked by another virus?
that would be a first one…
5 variants in 20 months?
how about 50000 variants in 20 months?

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cornubian
cornubian
3 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

“They were designed to reduce death and injury.” Why are you repeating regime propaganda as if it were true? Reports in the Lancet and BMJ demonstrate that the injections have zero efficacy. Statistics show that the curve of death always follows the curve of injection and leaked Pfizer trial papers show that 5 times as many people died from heart attacks in the juice group when compared to the control group.

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Sforzesca
Sforzesca
3 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

I may be wrong but didn’t Pfizer originally say on the tin – and in a blaze of publicity – that it was 90% efficient at preventing transmission ? (or maybe that really meant 90% efficient at hastening death).

Slightly off topic – I wish the MSM/BBC would stop using the highly misleading and inaccurate term “breakthrough infections” when in reality they are purely the result of “vaccine failures”.
It’s a complete mystery to me as to why the correct terminology has been changed…

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PartyTime
PartyTime
3 years ago
Reply to  Sforzesca

I don’t know what basis Pfizer would have for saying anything like that – certainly not their own clinical trial, in which they didn’t even test for infection rates or viral load, they just tested a small subset of participants who showed symptoms.

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JayBee
JayBee
3 years ago
Reply to  Sforzesca

Pfizer, and the others, reported an efficiency of 95% in reducing infection, the relative risk reduction part of 140 vs 10 out of 22k each. That was the basis for its approval, but restated as ‘reducing mild symptoms or illnesses’, though sold as ‘preventing infection and transmission’ by almost everyone.
It’s trials also showed a 90% efficiency against severe illness, but on the basis of a statistically insignificant 9 vs1 out of 22k.
As we know now and many noticed previously, these trials were rigged and fraudulent in many instances and, most importantly, showed negative outcome with regard to ignored all cause mortality- no drug or vaccine would have been approved with that profile alone.

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186NO
186NO
3 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

And the absolute risk reduction percentage from the original trials was….?

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL00v2YjWKI

Boris agrees with you.

Those who risked the clot-shots catch and spread (and viral load same) as unjabbed. They’ll just ASLO risk covid and the jabs.

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

They don’t care about the spread of a virus that hurts almost no one.

They are terrified of the control group that is necessary and essential to proving the atrocity they have committed with their vaccine roll. out.

They are trying to eliminate the control group.

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twinkytwonk
twinkytwonk
3 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

“They were designed to reduce death and injury.”

From the pfizer end point data the only statistical difference between the groups was in the placebo group where more people had covid type symptoms and then tested positive via pcr. We will never know if the vaccinated arm were infected but had lesser symptoms as they were never tested.

The pfizer vaccine was shown to neither reduce injury or death.

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DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
3 years ago
Reply to  Lucan Grey

About as effective as a split condom in preventing pregnancy

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Ruth Learner
Ruth Learner
3 years ago

This is now a ‘pandemic’ of the vaccinated – see latest Danish study covered by the best source of updated info: https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/danish-study-reveals-all-variants-mostly-infect-fully-vaccinated-pfizers-hidden-safety-data/

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago

The proportions shown in the graph in the previous article shows incontrovertibly that the claim is patently false, given the small number of patients with ‘Covid’.

People like Sunak have lowered the bar for lying in the political class. Absolute scum.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago

The more I read of the Real Dr Fauci the worse the covid plot gets

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186NO
186NO
3 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

Its on order; please also read Dr David Martin’s “Fauci Dossier” if not already done so :
https/f.hubspotusercontent10.net/hubfs/8079569/The%20FauciCOVID-19%20Dossier

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Norman
Norman
3 years ago

The unjabbed have survived the “onslaught” of the virus for 2 years without succumbing. It suggests that there is something in their lifestyle or physiology that resists Covid.

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RTSC
RTSC
3 years ago
Reply to  Norman

Correct. I’m female, early 60s, slim, fit and healthy – I’ve carried on with life as close to normal as possible throughout and I’ve been perfectly healthy throughout. I take Vit C, D and Zinc. I think I had the bug before China ‘fessed up.

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Norman
Norman
3 years ago
Reply to  RTSC

I’m mid 70s and overweight, but constantly active and eat a well balanced diet , including own vegetables. Like you I take recommended supplements.
However, I think being anti-social has helped – my friends are friends and I don’t do acquaintances.

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
3 years ago
Reply to  RTSC

Same here, although I’m in my mid-fifties, not so slim, but try to keep healthy. I have RA so classed as “vulnerable” due to my meds. But like you I had the coof two years ago, got over it (one of daily meds for RA is hydroxychloroquine!) and I’ve been taking VitD3 and VitC for years. I’ve been fine since, not even a cold. No masking, social distancing, overly hand sanitising and all the rest. Even though my immune system is somewhat suppressed, I have more faith in that than any so-called “vaccine” they want to shove into all of us right now.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago
Reply to  Norman

Yes i’m antivirus, they don’t like me either. It’s a symbiotic relationship, if they don’t kill me I won’t kill them. 😉

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Suzyv
Suzyv
3 years ago
Reply to  Norman

It’s called not damaging your immune system with repeated vials full of poison and allowing it to work naturally and in which case it works much better and against all variants. Also the unjabbed are most likely not stuffing hydrogel graphene oxide ( found in the test swabs) up their noses just because they have sneezed.

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annieob
annieob
3 years ago

There’s a clear shift to using lockdowns as a weapon against unvaccinated people. As the Telegraph is doing. Why? To stir up enough irrational panic, rage & hatred to succeed in mandating vaccines for all. This is what lies behind the manufactured omicron panic- particularly urgent given that omicron may turn out to be so mild that it’s difficult to manufacture panic, rage & hatred in future. Lockdown needs to be threatened now, while it still can be, in order to be used as a weapon.

The gullible haters of the unvaccinated will fanatically support mandatory vaccines under the assumption this will be a one off measure for the dirty unclean. It won’t be, of course. It will be for everyone, 3 times a year, indefinitely. With all that that implies in terms of repeated exposure to still experimental vaccines with no long term safety data, and against a background where there will be a huge motivation for the government and the public health establishment to bury any signals of danger or lack of efficacy. It’s difficult to conceive of anything more dangerous.

How to address someone like Philip Johnston? He’s not evil. He’s a frightened man who’s being used. But what he’s being used for truly is evil.

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NickR
NickR
3 years ago
Reply to  annieob

I suspect Johnstone, like so many journalists, is an arts graduate, I’d put money that he can’t calculate a percentage or look critically at data, as a consequence he’s incapable of producing a reasoned argument.
I know so many people like this, their critical faculties have deserted them, they’re panicked & looking to lash out. All rather sad.

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
3 years ago
Reply to  NickR

He’s a very able guy. Don’t know his degree, but he certainly can calculate a percentage and can look critically at data – if he couldn’t dissect it himself he knows how to interrogate those who can.
He’s following the paper’s line. That’s how he keeps his job.

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sophie123
sophie123
3 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

Is he completely unprincipled then?

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cornubian
cornubian
3 years ago
Reply to  annieob

“The gullible haters of the unvaccinated will fanatically support mandatory vaccines under the assumption this will be a one off measure for the dirty unclean“. Only partially true. The ‘vaccinated’ are privately terrified of what they volunteered for so want those who were smart enough to say no, and warned them not to take the regimes poison, to share their fate. In effect, they hate us for being right. So we have a pandemic alright. A pandemic of people who refuse to admit they were wrong so want to drag the rest of us down with them – ie make us all equally worse off in the same way that communism does.

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Vxi7
Vxi7
3 years ago
Reply to  cornubian

I see also something else besides your excellent observations. When you say you are not feared of death they automatically become the cowards and it is difficult for the mind to accept you were the coward because all our culture and education put the ‘brave’ (I don’t feel one) as the prime example.

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JayBee
JayBee
3 years ago
Reply to  cornubian

I do not know what the real motives of the authorities are.
But for the vast majority of the guinea pigs this is now solely about establishing, ringfencing and officially getting a confirmation of the indication for their subjugation- the more they are zealous and totally convinced or they become doubtful and irritated or anxious about the now likely continued boostering, the more so.
They want to and must get an official stamp of approval that their decision was right, come what may.
That necessitates at least a privilege for them, ideally visible and to be exercised often and in the open, hence no masks for the vaxxed in the US and the concept of vaxx passports, arm bands etc. in ever more settings, but most ideally also an official punishment for those who did not subjugate.
Basically, they have lost their humanity and become animals again.

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago
Reply to  annieob

Every government has rushed out covid vaccines without care for the terrible consequences.

They are now on a mission to eliminate any type of control group that could expose the atrocity.

The campaign against unjabbed is a cover up campaign.

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Hugh
Hugh
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

I still say it won’t work. I understand their long term goal is 70% of the world’s population. That’s still a lot of people who won’t take it.

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
3 years ago
Reply to  annieob

I worked with him. I observed him. He’s not frightened. And he perfectly understands the effect of his words.

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jingleballix
jingleballix
3 years ago
Reply to  annieob

Daily Mail and Daily Telegraph condemning the unjabbed on the same day.

Clearly they want to ‘encourage’ people to get jabbed, but if my reading of the situation is correct, then they are also attempting to create a public mood that will allow the leeway to change the law and MANDATE jabbing.

That will be how the social credit system will operate – got to take a jab every 6 months, or else we will close down your life.

The jabs can be manipulated to end the lives of certain group or individuals they don’t like. Let’s say those with dementia……or those over-80……or those 60lbs over-weight…….or those who don’t buy climate change…….or those who protest about the government.

Don’t forget, if they can persuade people to demonise the unjabbed and approve of mandatory jabs – then they can persuade the same sheep to accept octogenarian euthanasia.

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skeptron
skeptron
3 years ago

Okay so they are saying that 90% of patients needing serious hospital care are unvaccinated. The aim here is clear, to suggest that it is the unvaccinated alone who are ‘overwhelming’ the hospitals and it’s their fault we need another lockdown.

Even if this were true, it basically proves that there is no chance of hospitals being ‘overwhelmed’ (whatever that actually means). This is because we know that 80-90% of the vulnerable are double-jabbed. How can 10-20% of the vulnerable population overwhelm the hospitals, when last December the entire vulnerable population (as basically none were vaccinated until Jan/Feb) hardly managed it? They’d need to be hospitalised at a 5-10x greater rate than last winter to even have a chance at matching admissions.

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Nobody2021
Nobody2021
3 years ago

We’ve had 2 years of misrepresenting the data to “encourage” the right behaviour and anybody who questioned it was maligned or shut down.

Why would they stop now?

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

They’re not just stopping, their claims are becoming more and more outlandish. That seems to be the nature of confidence tricks and scams. You need ever bigger lies and tricks to cover up the previous ones.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  Nobody2021

“misrepresenting” It’s telling pure lies.

know that what they say will be misinterpreted. Misleading statements are still a lie.

Half a Truth is a whole lie.

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NeilofWatford
NeilofWatford
3 years ago

Once you learn to read between the lines, it’s obvious that this surge of misinformation (see today’s Daily Mail for example, its leader, plus views of Welby etc) is driven by government panic. I reckon very few have had their experimental gene booster so the ‘Big Fear’ is being deployed.
Stand firm folks, expose the lie.

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Chris_uk
Chris_uk
3 years ago
Reply to  NeilofWatford

I looked up some numbers this morning. In England 51 million got shot 1, 47 million shot 2, and 25 million shot 3. Still far too many not putting 2 and 2 together.

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  Chris_uk

Not according to the UK COVID-19 vaccine weekly surveillance reports:

“Vaccine coverage tells us about the proportion of the population that have received 1, 2 and 3 doses of COVID-19 vaccines. By 12 December 2021, the overall vaccine uptake in England for dose 1 was 67.9% and for dose 2 was 62.2%. Overall vaccine uptake in England in people with at least 3 doses was 31.4%. In line with the programme rollout, coverage is highest in the oldest age groups”

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1041593/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-50.pdf

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cornubian
cornubian
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Thats right. 15 million people in England who are eligible have not had a single jab. Add in the growing numbers of refuseniks and we are gettting might powerful.

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
3 years ago
Reply to  Chris_uk

Talked to a guy yesterday who said he had Covid four weeks ago – elderly, not well – he didn’t know he even had it. Just felt a bit tired. I asked where he was going: “To get my booster.”
Why, when you had it four weeks ago, and didn’t even notice it?
He looked very surprised at the question.
”They say you should.”

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sophie123
sophie123
3 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

OMG. I spoke with a friend (double jabbed) who was recovering from COVID (he had it quite bad) and a month or two later described himself as a shell of what he was then told me he was suffering further from a headache thanks to his booster the day prior.

This guy has a biochemistry degree from Oxford. First class.

I said to him “why would you do that? you know how immunity works!” and he just said “don’t start”

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Mark
Mark
3 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

“This guy has a biochemistry degree from Oxford. First class.
I said to him “why would you do that? you know how immunity works!” and he just said “don’t start””

We’ve been observing here since the beginning just how amazing it has been to see highly educated, intelligent people basically conforming with stuff they are perfectly capable of seeing through, but the sheer power of conformism and/or fear never ceases to amaze!

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DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark

The power of propaganda

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago
Reply to  NeilofWatford

What they fear more than anything else is the control group.

The control group is what will prove their crimes.

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Norman
Norman
3 years ago

Our Christmas has just been cancelled. One son who lives abroad won’t come back to UK in case Boris announces a lockdown, and the other son, who his hosting is partner’s sister just found out they she brought an “infection” (asymptomatic, of course) with her from Barcelona, so they are now in quarantine, despite negative tests so far.

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Will
Will
3 years ago

Thank you for this Will. After Laura Duffel I will never again trust anything anecdotal that comes out of a medics mouth.

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
3 years ago
Reply to  Will

Yeah, those guys were making it up because they were talking to an influential journalist and they were spreading a line – and he wanted to hear it.

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago

“The stock market looks strongest just before it’s about to collapse.”

I heard this phrase recently and remember it every day.

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Norman
Norman
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

I am forcibly reminded of it every day.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Don’t fight the fed, there’s not really a market any more.

The central committee credit pricing ensures bubbles do not pop (until they do)

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sophie123
sophie123
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

I just sold off half my equity positions. I’m getting increasingly uneasy about the market.

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186NO
186NO
3 years ago
Reply to  sophie123

IMHO not the thing to do; timing in and out is more difficult than plaiting fog.

Long term performance may be better with the index/indices not the stocks – let the market making herd creatures determine what constitutes the index of choice and ride the wave – less stressful, dead cat bounces don’t happen and market falls will not trouble you, and significantly less expensive.

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Chisel
Chisel
3 years ago

Can these people not be held to account; particularly Sajid Javid for lying in public office? The DT needs to retract the Philip Johnson article at once!

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sinope33
sinope33
3 years ago

Hear hear especially to the final paragraph.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago

Despite the raft of evidence of our so called leaders flaunting all of their own rules, G7, G20, ‘meetings’ even the media propaganda tv appearances where the reporters are seen to slap on the masks when Johnson appears and the camera’s start rolling, the gullible still can’t see it or don’t want to see it and admit they’ve been fooled ‘its easier to fool people than convince them they’ve been fooled’, we’re at that point now

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Chris_uk
Chris_uk
3 years ago

Very interesting that link to EU Resolution 2361 (2021):

https://pace.coe.int/en/files/29004/html

7.3.1 ensure that citizens are informed that the vaccination is not mandatory and that no one is under political, social or other pressure to be vaccinated if they do not wish to do so

7.3.2 ensure that no one is discriminated against for not having been vaccinated, due to possible health risks or not wanting to be vaccinated;

I realise that doesn’t apply here in the UK, but people in the EU can make good use of that.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago
Reply to  Chris_uk

On Gov.UK there is a paper that says ‘Bullying and Coercion is illegal’

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago
Reply to  Chris_uk

Don’t let being in the EU be important criteria, it doesn’t seem to apply to France, Germany, Italy, Austria, etc either.

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Paul B
Paul B
3 years ago
Reply to  Chris_uk

Wasn’t that Japan?

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JaneDoeNL
JaneDoeNL
3 years ago
Reply to  Chris_uk

It does apply in the UK.

It is not an EU regulation – somthing the EU itself is at pains to point out in an explanation of the apartheid app. Always banging on about human rights – except when it’s inconvenient.

The regulation was issued by the Council of Europe, home of the European Court of Human Rights, which has 47 member states, including the UK, a founding member.

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PartyTime
PartyTime
3 years ago
Reply to  Chris_uk

I think that January ruling was effectively superseded by something else around April which acknowledged that vaccines could be made mandatory.

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Lozboz
Lozboz
3 years ago

The latest ONS infection survey released 21/12 clearly shows that the unvaccinated are nearly FIVE times less likely to test positive for Omicron compared to those withe the booster.

It’s data collected to 12/12 and early days but repeats findings in Denmark with a much higher number of cases.

This is the ONS data.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/adhocs/14107coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveyukcharacteristicsrelatedtohavinganomicroncompatibleresultinthosewhotestpositiveforcovid19

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DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago

Why is there an absence of comprehensive official data, they appear able to find the data they want when they want.

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Lozboz
Lozboz
3 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

See the yesterday’s ONS infection survey data. Sheet 1b

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/adhocs/14107coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveyukcharacteristicsrelatedtohavinganomicroncompatibleresultinthosewhotestpositiveforcovid19

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago

Forgive me, I don’t intend to sound disrespectful to DS, but what kind of journalists are you? Do you consider yourself journalists at all? Do you actually investigate anything?

Maybe an article on Dr. Shankara Chetty’s 8th day protocol, what is his treatment schedule, what drugs are used, is his 100% recovery (without oxygen) claim true?

That would be something worth reading about, do you have the balls?

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Will
Will
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Maybe they haven’t heard about it? This article is a great piece of journalism.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago
Reply to  Will

There are so many articles about vilifying the unvaccinated. The truth is they the pro-vax zealots don’t care about the truth, trying to combat political lies with scientific fact, will never win the day. They know, we know they’re lying, blah blah blah.

Engaging in their narrative just legitimizes it, counter propaganda requires you empower yourself with your own narrative. If they haven’t heard of Dr Chetty they aren’t journalists.

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Will
Will
3 years ago

Every time I read, or hear, “anecdotal” evidence from “medical professionals”, I am more convinced that patients’ treatment is predicated on vaccination status. I suspect many unvaccinated are more likely to be admitted to hospital, for no reason other than vaccination status. And once in the grips of the medics many unvaccinated are condemned to death, by being unnecessarily intubated, for the crime of being unvaccinated.

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Hester
Hester
3 years ago

What a disgraceful and frankly disgusting article by the writer and the Telegraph editors for allowing it to be printed. It is now very clear the Government wants to segregate the unvaccinated and is encouraging through the press what I can only think is violence and threats towards the unvaccinated. It really has reached the time when the people of this nation need to take a long hard look at the press and the Government and see them for what they are, hate mongers and misanthropes. If there are any Telegraph subscribers might I suggest you terminate your subscription and let the Editors know the reason. Such a spreader of lies to incite hatred deserves to go out of business.

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jingleballix
jingleballix
3 years ago

Philip Johnston seems to have changed his mind in the last 6 months.

Wonder why that is.

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Paul B
Paul B
3 years ago
Reply to  jingleballix

The comments (for as long as they allow them) are rather uplifting!

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul B

The Telegraph has always had a strong caucus which despised its readers – to get advertising, they needed to get new, younger, free spending ones, and they assumed that whatever girly rubbish they forced onto the pages in a vain attempt to do that, their despised older readers would carry on reading and keep up the circulation out of force of habit.

Er, where is that circulation now?

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  jingleballix

Flights on Epstein’s replacement plane?

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Paul B
Paul B
3 years ago

Sort the comments by most voted on the Phillip Johnston article, sit back and enjoy the pounding.

‘Struggling to remember the last time a journalist nose dived their credibility into the ground with such gusto.’

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alw
alw
3 years ago

Yes I’ve had this repeated to me twice in the last couple of days from medical sources. When I’ve quoted them the actual percentages of Covid cases in hospitals overall which has been 5% since August of this year they still are in denial and also told them that 45% of transmission is from patient to patient in hospital. They finally agree that the problem is hospital capacity and staff illness with all the testing and isolation requirements.

One of the sources who is my closest friend asked me if we were going to test ourselves before going to spend Christmas day with the family. You can imagine my response. She has become totally unhinged.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago

The majority of people who are admitted to hospital are elderly and vaccinated, if the reported vax figures are correct and not lies

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alw
alw
3 years ago
Reply to  DanClarke

You can have gazillion antibodies but if your immune system is not up to scratch then vaccines won’t help you.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  alw

If we’d spent more on researching involution of the thymus instead of wasting it on covid we’d be vastly heathier.

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jingleballix
jingleballix
3 years ago

Last Sunday Sajid Javid launched a campaign to discriminate against the unjabbed.

Almost certainly it will be tightly coordinated – hence Johnston’s execrable piece today.

This piece is accompanied by a ‘paper’ from the ‘Tony Blair Institute’ that, inter alia recommends the establishment of a government task force to hunt down the unjabbed individually.

This will require careful identification of those unwilling to be vaccinated and bespoke plans to persuade them to get the jab.

There are lots of other charming measures that Blair wants to introduce – they all amount to the establishment of a bio-security state – the basis of which, we may strongly surmise, will be perpetual authoritarian control over our lives.

https://institute.global/policy/staying-ahead-covid-curve

It is a terrifyingly banal elicitation of what the globalists want our lives to look like.

There are clear indications of the direction of travel – look at Canada, Australia, New Zealand…….and Ireland, where Leo Varadkhar recently said, ‘We should allow periods of freedom to give people a break’.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/12/20/the-erasure-of-liberty/

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  jingleballix

Tony Blair HAS to be tried for treason.

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Bluenorw
Bluenorw
3 years ago
Reply to  jingleballix

I see Blair is advocating the identification of the unvaccinated and “direct communication from the NHS” and an “in-person” visit. Anyone knocking on my door in this respect will get very short shrift. I can but wonder at the sheer arrogance of Blair. An odious individual for whom virtually no-one has any respect and yet he is so thick skinned as to think that his opinion is of any interest to anyone. The man is deluded.

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Free Lemming
Free Lemming
3 years ago

I’m pretty sure the rhetoric is being ramped up in preparation for more restrictions and measures in the new year – maybe almost immediately after Xmas. The psychology is simple, make the majority think that the minority are the source of all their problems. Instil a hatred for this minority and literally, as history proves, anything is possible. I anticipate more restrictions against the vaccinated (in order to increase the hatred of the reason for their restrictions – the unvaccinated), and even further restrictions on the unvaccinated. The latter being gleefully accepted because of the former. The next stage of this is just around the corner now, so I expect to start to see the unvaccinated being shut out of public life and formally made second class citizens. Peaceful protest will then no longer be an option.

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago

‘The amount of misinformation being put out by Government ministers and senior medics about the proportion of unvaccinated people in hospital with Covid is reaching a new level that is beginning to feel disturbingly sinister.’

This whole shit show has been distrubingly sinister since Boris decided to ignore the established pandemic plan and impose CCP style lockdown.

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DanClarke
DanClarke
3 years ago

The money being made by the ‘ruling classes’, Pharma, shareholders, royalties, is mind blowing

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BoJo The Great
BoJo The Great
3 years ago

Maybe we’ve been looking at this all wrong.
If the plan was to reduce the population by way of targeting the less intelligent, healthy and more demanding….then create an injection that will reduce the chance of living beyond 5yrs and fertility.

Maybe we are the ones left?
Maybe we are the elite?
Some might say we could be considered the “super race?”

Are we, in fact, the ones to walk the earth with politicians and senior computer software designers?

What a future we have.

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
3 years ago
Reply to  BoJo The Great

I often think this whole thing is an intelligence test or a test of strength and willpower. Like in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Charlie wins the factory because he passed the final test, when all the kids, in their greed, had faltered.

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

The last thing the ruling class want is for critical thinkers that do not obey their orders to survive.

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Artemis
Artemis
3 years ago

There are many reasons a person may choose not to be vaccinated, particularly if he or she is young, healthy, or has had Covid already, and is wary of the novel genetic technology and unusually high level of reported adverse events.

I’m surprised you missed ethical or religious reasons. All vaccines presently available in the UK were developed using, and in some cases also manufactured with, cell cultures that were originally harvested from an aborted baby.

A more ethically acceptable alternative was in the works (Valneva) but that got squashed in the UK, possibly as a result of pressure from Pfizer.

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Artemis
Artemis
3 years ago
Reply to  Artemis

PS – That should read “all COVID vaccines presently available”. The wider vaccination situation is a mixed bag.

There’s a surprising amount of people who believe abortion to be an immoral act, yet are willing to profit by it when they feel threatened. I admit I was one – I gave my kids the MMR because a doctor put the fear in me about a local measles outbreak. We tried to find separate vaccines (only the R is unethical) but eventually caved when a doctor told us that since the days of house calls were over, our children would not receive proper care if they caught measles.

I utterly repent of my cowardice.

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago
Reply to  Artemis

Measels is a mild rash and a slight temperature for the vast majority of children.
Doctors are lying pieces of poo.

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
3 years ago
Reply to  Artemis

Possibly!

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Achilles_Heel
Achilles_Heel
3 years ago

Show me the VENN diagram of obese and prior health conditions with those that are vaccinated or unvaccinated in hospital. It is a total deflection from what really matters in mitigating your burden on the health system.

I find it disgraceful that these sorts of stats are then used to beat healthy and young people not wishing to get vaccinated as though they are about to find themselves in hospital. That is statistically nonsense and has always been the case.

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JaneDoeNL
JaneDoeNL
3 years ago
Reply to  Achilles_Heel

Your comment made me think of a new Dutch government ad that I saw last night. Here they are moving away from vilifying the unvaxxed to trying to persuade them. The ad is clearly aimed at younger people from ethnic backgrounds.

It starts out saying they know the data is boring, so they want to present it differently and make the doctor telling us (presumably a real doctor, they give his name as it starts) a James Bond type character in a film as he relays the ‘facts’. Claiming that adverse events only occur in the first few weeks, not after several months – didn’t know that was a ‘fact’. And that there are no long term adverse events – definitely not a ‘fact’, we have not experienced the long term yet.

In any event, what makes it funny is the doctor himself is clearly obese, by at least 4 stone. As I watched it I was thinking exactly what you’re saying – it’s been made clear that for people with no other underlying conditions, particularly younger/middle-age men, excess weight can be a significant factor. How ridiculous to have someone in a higher risk category pushing the vaxx, while ignoring the elephant in the room.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  JaneDoeNL

https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/13/10/2056/htm

Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS–CoV–2) has led to the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID–19) pandemic, severely affecting public health and the global economy. Adaptive immunity plays a crucial role in fighting against SARS–CoV–2 infection and directly influences the clinical outcomes of patients. Clinical studies have indicated that patients with severe COVID–19 exhibit delayed and weak adaptive immune responses; however, the mechanism by which SARS–CoV–2 impedes adaptive immunity remains unclear. Here, by using an in vitro cell line, we report that the SARS–CoV–2 spike protein significantly inhibits DNA damage repair, which is required for effective V(D)J recombination in adaptive immunity. Mechanistically, we found that the spike protein localizes in the nucleus and inhibits DNA damage repair by impeding key DNA repair protein BRCA1 and 53BP1 recruitment to the damage site. Our findings reveal a potential molecular mechanism by which the spike protein might impede adaptive immunity and underscore the potential side effects of full-length spike-based vaccines.

Cancer is long term!

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sophie123
sophie123
3 years ago
Reply to  JaneDoeNL

Maybe their thinking is that by having an elephant in the room present the “facts”, we won’t notice the actual elephant in the room?

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wendy
wendy
3 years ago

Thank you so much Will for this article. It is getting very very sinister out there. My feeling is blaming and scapegoating is being used to shift the focus away from other analysis.

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Boomer Bloke
Boomer Bloke
3 years ago
Reply to  wendy

It is getting very very sinister out here

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BS665
BS665
3 years ago
Reply to  Boomer Bloke

But it could be the storm before the breakthrough among the public.

If some are blaming us, the general unease among the jabbed may equally be against their own fate: caused by gov.

Last edited 3 years ago by BS665
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J4mes
J4mes
3 years ago

I find the so-called “Independent” and it’s smaller rag to be the worst offender of misinformation and bias. They have an insatiable desire to stoke up as much fear and poison against the rebellion as possible.

Who are they supposed to be independent of? Can’t be the government or the government’s masters, since they’re in tune with everything the government peddles.

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
3 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

You’d need to see their funders to answer that question.
I was a so-called “founder member”, ie had a job with them when the Independent started. It never really tried to apply the idea of lack of bias to news copy – too much work for the desk – though Andreas attempted to keep up standards. Journalists as a breed tend to Guardian politics (other than a few opinion writers) so inevitably it slid and slid in that direction once Andreas had gone.
Now it is openly an on-line propaganda sheet, as you say. And a gun for hire.

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PoliceState
PoliceState
3 years ago

Can someone explain the difference between being admitted and being “seriously ill”?

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isobar
isobar
3 years ago

Like others, I get the feeling that this is part of a coordinated drive by the government through the ‘bought and paid for’ media to drive up ‘vaccinations’. It can’t be a coincidence that such articles have appeared in various MSMs over the last week. The only good thing is that where comments are allowed, such articles have so far been unceremoniously panned by readers. But I fear that attitude might not last if new restrictions are bought in and the ‘unvaccinated’ are specifically blamed for them.

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JaneDoeNL
JaneDoeNL
3 years ago

“In the absence of comprehensive official data”.

Well, this dipstick just showed his total (and undoubtedly wilful) lack of knowledge on the subject, so he should now refrain from opening his gob on the matter. What does he think the UKHSA virus surveillance reports that are published every week are? The numbers of people infected, admitted to hospital and dying, per age cohort, are quite comprehensive indeed. They show unequivocally, and have done for months, that the vast majority of people ‘burdening’ the health care system (i.e. becoming ill and then seeking health care, the raison d’etre of a health care system) are in fact the fully vaxxed.

A nonsense, shameless article that not only shows the writer to be a bigot seeking to cause harm to a specific group, he also makes himself appear outrageously stupid. A simple point, but worth repeating: if the vax works, the vaxxed are safe from the unvaxxed. The fact that an unvaxxed person might be more in need of hospital care is neither here nor there. Has the writer ever complained about the number of drunks clogging A&E every single weekend?

It is high time for legal action to be taken against such writers. This goes beyond opinion, it enters the realms of hate speech – and negligence, as he has nothing to back up his vitriol.

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NickR
NickR
3 years ago

I think this is very important data from ONS. It shows that unvaccinated people are the least likely to get infected with Omicron & triple vaxxed 4.5x more likely. The data looks at 1,760 people who tested positive for the virus from 29th Nov to 12th Dec. 30% of them (536) were unvaccinated.

Of these 1,760 testing positive the likelihood that they had the Omicron variant was as follows:

  •    Unvaccinated, positive:             14   out of      536                 
  • 1 dose: 8                 144               
  • 2 doses, more than 14 days ago: 72                 944               
  • 3 doses, more than 14 days ago: 21                 185

Will anyone in the MSM pick this up?
“This analysis uses data from the COVID-19 Infection Survey for the fortnight, 29 November 2021 to 12 December 2021.
These early results show the characteristics of people more likely to be infected with the Omicron variant compared with the Delta variant.
These early results are based on the first fortnight’s data that have sufficient cases for analysis on the Omicron variant, so caution is advised”
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/adhocs/14107coronaviruscovid19infectionsurveyukcharacteristicsrelatedtohavinganomicroncompatibleresultinthosewhotestpositiveforcovid19

221221 Omicron infection by vaxx status ONS.jpg
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amanuensis
amanuensis
3 years ago

Politicians should be forced to publish all background data to their pronouncements. As it stands they could well be cherry picking statistics that supports their policies (or even just making it up).

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JaneDoeNL
JaneDoeNL
3 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

Even when they do they are being deceitful.

Yesterday’s technical briefing of the OMT had charts and graphs with numbers. One chart showed the clear text that 47% of people in hospital were unvaxxed, 53% vaxxed. Yet the coloured graph next to it was based on number of unvaxxed proportional to the whole group of unvaxxed people at risk (i.e. those over 60), approx. 10% of the population compared to 90% vaxxed. The graph then showed a red line which was almost at a 90 degree angle to indicate the unvaxxed, with an almost flat green line at the bottom to indicate the unvaxxed, whereas a true graph would have shown two lines side by side. As shown, it appeared at first glance as if 90% of the people in hospital (in absolute numbers) were unvaxxed.

They are also fiddling the infection numbers, they are 50-50, but the number says they don’t know the vaxx status of 25% of the positive tests. BS, they have the numbers, they are intentionally withholding them as it would skew the numbers to far toward the vaxxed group.

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milesahead
milesahead
3 years ago

I’m very pleased I stopped buying the DT about 4 years ago. I even stopped looking at the free content online 2 years ago – I don’t want to boost their online viewing figures!
A despicable rag – as they all are now.

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186NO
186NO
3 years ago
Reply to  milesahead

I say again , great for the crossword, the letters page, Charles Moore etc and Hedgehog bedding – not much else.

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Dave
Dave
3 years ago

“Apart from anything else, whatever happened to simply being a decent human being?”
That went out the window very early on when the gov focussed on scaring the crap out of people in order to push lockdowns, masks and vaccines for population groups who would derive no net benefit

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Mr10Percent
Mr10Percent
3 years ago

There is slight of hand going on here.

I have been studiously accumulating the official Govt Weekly Covid Surveillance reports (England & Wales) from week 36 to Week 50. This is published every Thursday.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-surveillance-reports

When one takes the simple position that the “unvaccinated” are those with zero jabs, the statistics are clear:-

  1. The Vaccinated account for 59% of all-age covid cases Wk36-50
  2. The Vaccinated account for 64% of all-age covid hospitalisations Wk36-50
  3. The Vaccinated account for 80% of all-age covid deaths WK36-50

Simply put, either this report is 100% B.S – which I doubt or those with a loud enough mouth-piece (MSM) are defining the “unvaccinated” rather conveniently as those without a booster jab.

I suspect the reality of the matter is the booster shot is to overcome short-term/winter AED as it is clear to my simple view that those who have had a shot are the ones consuming resources in hospitals and the morg.

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timsk
timsk
3 years ago

“. . . Previously the haters-of-the-unvaccinated focused on infection rates and the claim that the unvaccinated spread the disease far more than the vaccinated. Once that claim collapsed they switched to hospital admissions. When the data there is lacking, they either make stuff up, use data from six months ago, or find obscure statistics involving tiny numbers of people to find something, anything, that sounds sufficiently scary to demonise the unvaccinated.

Apart from anything else, whatever happened to simply being a decent human being?“

Absolutely spot on Will – sums the whole thing up perfectly! Sadly, decent human beings are becoming as rare as hens teeth these days – even (one of) God’s representatives can’t be counted among them and has jumped on the bandwagon to condemn those with pure blood. Grrrr!

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Beowulf
Beowulf
3 years ago

The medical reason I have for not wishing to be ‘vaccinated’ is the same reason I have for not drinking antifreeze just because it’s a bit chilly outside.

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peyrole
peyrole
3 years ago

It could well be deliberate, part of the psyop.
It could be that people, maybe especially media types, are incapable of holding two thoughts simultaneously in their heads any more.
1) So-called vaccines do not stop transmission, indeed vaccinated may carry higher viral load without knowing it.
2) The vast majority of people at risk are elderly with existing commorbidities.
The logic of those two statements means passes, mandates etc are nothing to do with health or even NHS pressure. They are purely political , ‘we demand you do this, or else’.
Either the commentators supporting action against unvaxed actively support this ‘politic’ or they are as thick as shit, or both. Its probably an even spread.

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
3 years ago

Philip Johnston used to try to be accurate. His copy was always markedly clean. He’s an opinion writer who is a former reporter, used to checking facts, and he can write unbiased copy.
However, you don’t rise as he did, and stay in place, without extreme sensitivity to what the boss class wants of you.
Everything he says here will be superficially true in that he quotes others accurately – I am sure his posh friends have told him this. And note his careful caveats. But completely unverified. Pure propaganda, Philip.
I imagine the Torygraph had the same big wrapper urging boosters paid by taxpayer cash as the other papers. How is their profit margin currently?

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realarthurdent
realarthurdent
3 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

It’s almost as if they have to draw lots for who has to write this week’s propaganda piece and Philip was the unlucky one this week. It’s very out of character for him, as you say.

The Telegraph has been going downhill for a long time but this really is a new low for them. There are comments under that article in the four figures now, overwhelmingly hostile to it.

When the pandemic ends, a lot of newspapers are going to go to the wall because they are entirely dependent on funding from government and the likes of Gates.

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Susan Lundie
Susan Lundie
3 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

They are in receipt of funding from the Gates Foundation, which from the webpage advertising that fact apears to terminate sometime in the first quarter of 2022.
We’ve been DT subscribers for many years, and were a few months ago offered the facility to offer one free Digital subscription to a friend lasting as long as we remain subscribers. We’ve recently been offered two more of the same. Someone at the DT is desperate to get the paper a higher profile, for whatever reason.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago

I paraphrase:

“The new scariant is not particularly dangerous yet hospitals are at risk of being overrun by those who have not been injected.”

So what’s making them poorly?

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago

“The amount of misinformation being put out by Government ministers and senior medics about the proportion of unvaccinated people in hospital with Covid is reaching a new level that is beginning to feel disturbingly sinister.“

Well, many aspects of this folly and evil have seemed sinister to a lot of us from the start. Not sure why it is taking DS so long to cotton on. Deliberately lying about this, which is without doubt what is being done, is inexcusable. It is encouraging persecution of a minority by the majority, for political purposes. There is only one word for that – EVIL.

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Susan Lundie
Susan Lundie
3 years ago

Thank you for this rebuttal Will. Sadly the once great Daily Telegraph has lost the plot, dangerously so. There are now over 5,000 comments btl on that article, and many are disturbingly from folk who clearly have swallowed the propaganda hook, line and sinker, unless there is suddenly a huge well of jokers who take pleasure in being deeply unpleasant for fun.
The tone is reminiscent of a society prepared to look the other way as the cattle trucks trundle by, and I find it chilling. I also find it difficult to believe that a journalist for whom I have had the greatest respect over decades as a DT reader has published this apparently carefully constructed article without understanding it’s potential impact.

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BertieBrimmers
BertieBrimmers
3 years ago

This disgusting article is the most egregious example of fearmongering I’ve seen yet. Interestingly the comments on it have now been closed down but they were coming in thick and fast (30-40 per minute).

The misinformation, the spurious data, the ‘othering’ of the unvaccinated and attempts to paint them as a selfish, dangerous sub-class of society would not be out of place in 1930’s Germany. I am shocked that the DT allowed it to be published, but as Will Jones rightly points out they are themselves fully bought into this at an editorial level. It goes without saying that they are beneficiaries themselves of the Billinda Gates largesse, to the tune of £3-4 million annually I believe.

Not that I have any expectations, but I have submitted a formal complaint, and would encourage others to do likewise

Links to the complaints page and the article itself below,

Editorial complaints (telegraph.co.uk)

I’m fed up with the unvaccinated rump who risk pushing us back into lockdown (telegraph.co.uk)

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BertieBrimmers
BertieBrimmers
3 years ago

This disgusting article is the most egregious example of fearmongering I’ve seen yet. Interestingly the comments on it have now been closed down but they were coming in thick and fast (30-40 per minute).

The misinformation, the spurious data, the ‘othering’ of the unvaccinated and attempts to paint them as a selfish, dangerous sub-class of society (seen that before somewhere…)

I am shocked that the DT allowed it to be published, but as Will Jones rightly points out they are themselves fully bought into this at an editorial level. It goes without saying that they are beneficiaries themselves of the Billinda Gates largesse, to the tune of £3-4 million annually I believe.

Not that I have any expectations, but I have submitted a formal complaint, and would encourage others to do likewise

Links to the complaints page and the article itself below,

#Editorial complaints (telegraph.co.uk)

I’m fed up with the unvaccinated rump who risk pushing us back into lockdown (telegraph.co.uk)

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Razor
Razor
3 years ago

This claim seems to be based on the use of artificial lung and heart systems called ECMO. There are probably about 30 ECMO units in the entire country. And given the low number, probably younger age groups, pregnant women are prioritised over others. So yes, it’s another (…….deliberately…..?) completely misleading statistic.

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Victory Gin
Victory Gin
3 years ago

My sister is a care worker and she is rushed-off her feet at the moment … not because of more new patients to care for but because of lack of staff – quite a few care workers where she works have quit and the care agency she works for is having trouble finding replacements.

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Hypatia
Hypatia
3 years ago
Reply to  Victory Gin

Yes, I am on Faceache, and I get 2 or 3 adverts for care work pop up every single day!
And I have never shown any interest in this either.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Victory Gin

Perhaps they’ll have to start paying a decent wage to attract people.

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MrTea
MrTea
3 years ago

Reported by Alex Berenson from Dec 7th-
‘Also, check out those hospital statistics from Wales. Even among people under 60, the vaccinated are three in five of inpatients (and nine in ten of inpatients over 60). The shots are doing a tremendous job at stopping severe disease!’

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/yet-another-reason-vaccines-dont?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjo0NTgxMjc5MywicG9zdF9pZCI6NDUxMTYxNDAsIl8iOiI5eDhOZCIsImlhdCI6MTY0MDE3Njc1NSwiZXhwIjoxNjQwMTgwMzU1LCJpc3MiOiJwdWItMzYzMDgwIiwic3ViIjoicG9zdC1yZWFjdGlvbiJ9.7L5a2bsqSaWmKGmkasKzhuEc5SpzuXtokU_5An4yrpI

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Hypatia
Hypatia
3 years ago

The “othering” seems to be working.

I overheard a work colleague yesterday saying that she had had “her booster”, and that she was “angry” at those would would not get jabbed. She stated that she thought it was the unvaxxed “who are stopping us from getting back to normal”. She further said that she had no problem with the covipass, as it would keep people “safe”. Oh, and no problem with demanding care workers and healthcare workers are jabbed in order to “protect people”.

Another colleague claimed that the hospitals are full of the unvaxxed. Didn’t back this up, just said it.

I felt quite intimidated by the feeling – they were so sure that they were right – that I kept my head down and said nothing. I need to keep my job, and so far everyone assumes that everyone else is jabbed, so nothing is said. But with things as they are, who knows what might happen if one person revealed their un-jabbed status?

And yes, it is simply appalling that in just under 2 years we have reached this state of being.

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RedhotScot
RedhotScot
3 years ago
Reply to  Hypatia

Keep your head down. Lie, if you need to keep your job. This will be largely over by spring. The government will delay any announcement until summer, then Boris (if he’s still around) will crow about his success in defeating covid.

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186NO
186NO
3 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

I reckon you are right.

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HelenaHancart
HelenaHancart
3 years ago
Reply to  Hypatia

Don’t give your medical status to anyone, and as RedHotScot says keep your head down. These people are just bleaters and parroters of the guff the MSM push out. They don’t do ANY research of their own and they’re basically terrified of everything. These are not the ones you have to fight. Don’t waste your energy. Tell them mind their own business if they ask. Stand in your truth if really contested.but basically starve them of information about yourself. That will makes feel far more uncomfortable than if you challenged them. Just let them be. You owe them nothing.

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Paul_Somerset
Paul_Somerset
3 years ago
Reply to  HelenaHancart

Yes. Remember why the State was so angry with Patrick McGoohan in The Prisoner. It wasn’t that McGoohan had resigned. It was that he wouldn’t tell them WHY he’d resigned, and they couldn’t get that information out of him.
Keep ’em guessing. Uncertainty is torture to these people.

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nickbowes
nickbowes
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul_Somerset

Excellent series, never bettered.

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Jane G
Jane G
3 years ago
Reply to  Hypatia

I’m in a similar position though not, thank God, likely to lose my job (I’m self-employed).

I was supposed to meet a friend for coffee a couple of weeks ago in a coffee shop. She messaged me just beforehand to say she’d gone home after her booster appt and would I come to hers instead – so I did.

During the chat it came out that I wasn’t jabbed; no reaction – we wound up our chat and I went home.

The morning after BJ did his broadcast at his desk, I found a venomous WhatsApp message saying how shocked she was by what I’d told her, and how dare I put her at risk, and do my customers know I’m unvaccinated?

Since then I’ve been a bit paranoid about telling people. Two women at church were discussing their jabs, which they had had, and which booster, etc. I was filled with dread that they would start asking me, so I pretended to be distracted by something on the other side of the building, and prepared to leave my seat if necessary.

I know exactly how you feel, Hypatia, and also wonder how we have come to this state of affairs. Even the Archbish if C is joining in the bullying (not that I rate his opinion).

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Lister of Smeg
Lister of Smeg
3 years ago

As I said in my comments on this hit-piece in the News Roundup, you have to either wonder at who IS controlling what these journos say – are they or via the Editorial team being coerced into doing such things because those who ‘pay the bills’ are telling them to OR were they always like this and just change their tune to suite the prevailing wind direction in order to keep their jobs or get promotion in the industry?

Very few journos these days care what their readership thinks. That Johnson’s ‘article’ has attracted 5500 reader comments (I’m surprised that they were allowed at all, given the nature and tone of the piece) in around 15 hours just shows how angry at him readers are.

I’m staring tho think that some of those at the DT who ‘appear’ to be on our side are just ‘going through the motions’ to keep large swathes of subscribers from unsubbing, because, as many have noted, Philip Johnson was previously on the other side of the fence not that long ago. Quite a few other columnists have now ‘softened’ their tone as regards rejecting the COVID response – especially on the ‘vaccines’.

Thos who have gone ‘the other way’ to some degree like ‘Associate Editor’ Camilla Tominey have, in my view only done so after they were rightly castigated last year for their simpering response to the lockdowns, etc etc and them having a go at us for opposing them.

It’s controlled opposition – pretending you are ‘on our side’ just enough to keep us from getting angry enough to REALLY do something major.

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LonePatriot
LonePatriot
3 years ago

There Are Now 365 Studies that Prove the Efficacy of Ivermectin and HCQ in Treating COVID-19. Any hospital administrator who mandated the shots to employees to comply with the government mandate for Medicare and Medicaid reimbursement and who refused to allow alternative treatments to be tried, doctors who pushed their patients to take the EUA drug without giving fully informed consent, anyone who forcefully administered the shot, the AMA, AAP, Boards of Health, CDC, FDA, NIH, WHO, scientists who participated in the development, Big Pharma (Pfizer, Moderna, J&J, Astra Zeneca, et. al.), anyone who pushed the sick into nursing homes resulting in deaths, all must be arrested, prosecuted, tried and if found guilty sentenced to prolonged imprisonment and fines or death for intentional homicide. Get your ivermectin before it is too late! https://ivmpharmacy.com

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Bluenorw
Bluenorw
3 years ago

The possibility of medium or long term adverse side effects from the mRNA and viral vector vaccines cannot be discounted at this stage, especially as it is becoming evident that multiple shots are now required and there is strong evidence of serious short term problems in some cases. If there are such longer term effects, then the presence of a significant percentage of unvaccinated people may well turn out to be a major benefit to society in the future.
The other basic error by the UK government – and no doubt many others – has been to effectively place all its eggs in one basket. If the groups of people “vaccinated” with mRNA and viral vector vaccines had been kept distinct, the potential for long term harm to society from adverse side effects from one or other of the vaccines could have been minimised. However, in the UK, the third and fourth “boosters” given to those who had viral vector vaccines for shots 1 & 2 are now mRNA, so adverse effects from the mRNA type can now affect all the vaccinated.
The UK government has cancelled its order for the Valneva attenuated live virus vaccine, which is another mistake. In the ideal world, the logical approach with hindsight would be 25% mRNA, 25% viral vector, 25% Valneva and 25% unvaccinated – assuming, of course, that there was any need for vaccines at all. An approach based on diversity would have minimised the risk to society from future adverse side effects. Admittedly, not much consolation for those who may suffer from side effects, but looking at the whole picture, it would have been more sensible than what has actually happened.

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Mybodymyfuckingchoice
Mybodymyfuckingchoice
3 years ago

The real data on ICU and deaths in fact show that there are 5 times as many in the vaxed group, especially in the over 80s. From PHE (or might be ukhsa own data). I’ll return with the link

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Mybodymyfuckingchoice
Mybodymyfuckingchoice
3 years ago

Ukhsa Vaccine Surveillance Report week 49. Vaxxed are x5 over represented in ICU and deaths. Check it out.

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Newman20
Newman20
3 years ago

To plagiarise ‘Blazing Saddles’ – prairie shit.

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Sambagirl
Sambagirl
3 years ago

It’s all about power – they don’t like the fact that there’s a group of people out there that they have no control over. It’s why they find emotive and incorrect facts about the situation and unvaccinated people, and then promote such rubbish in MSM. Unfortunately, they’re believed by most people who are then unprepared to have any sort of intelligent discussion. There is no room for manoeuvre in these people’s minds – the unvaccinated are always extremists causing harm to others and being irresponsible. In my experience, the unvaccinated seem to be more open-minded and enquiring, and more likely to ‘live and let live’.

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