The amount of misinformation being put out by Government ministers and senior medics about the proportion of unvaccinated people in hospital with Covid is reaching a new level that is beginning to feel disturbingly sinister.
When lockdown sceptics are joining in with the condemnation, you know the problem has ratcheted up a notch or three.
The normally reliable Philip Johnston in the Telegraph points the finger at the unvaccinated for threatening the capacity of the health service, citing a number of misleading claims.
The panacea, we are told, is to get boosted. Yet by definition the refuseniks will not get a third jab when they have not been vaccinated in the first place. I understand if someone does not want to get jabbed. It is their body and they are entitled to say they do not want to be medicated. We cannot force them to. But if the consequence of that decision is to place others at risk then it cannot be allowed to pass by default. We all understand, too, that some people for a variety of medical reasons cannot have the vaccine.
In order to persuade a greater take-up of jabs, the Government wanted to bring in vaccine passports for certain settings but watered these down to include proof of a negative test, which rather defeats the object. Scores of Tory MPs voted against even this on the grounds that such a measure was illiberal.
But the Conservative Party has never been a libertarian movement. It is supposed to believe that with rights come responsibilities. Opponents of heavy-handed state action against the citizen often quote J S Mill’s famous dictum: “The only purpose for which power can rightfully be exercised over any member of a civilised society, against his will, is to prevent harm to others.” I agree with that. I don’t see why I should have restrictions placed on me when I am unlikely to cause harm to others.
But that is not necessarily true of the unvaccinated. According to Sajid Javid, the Health Secretary, nine in 10 Covid patients needing the most care are unjabbed. A similar point was made by Sadiq Khan, the London mayor, who said the “vast, vast majority” of seriously ill people were unjabbed, identifying “black Londoners, Muslim Londoners, Jewish Londoners and eastern European Londoners” as groups that are proving particularly resistant. Why is this?
In the absence of comprehensive official data, we are having to rely on anecdotal evidence, but I know several hospital consultants who tell of seriously ill patients being transferred to critical care units who are still unvaccinated, taking up emergency beds needed for other patients.
One told me that so far he had not seen anyone in intensive care who had been jabbed, suggesting that even if vaccinated people are getting sick, they’re not getting as sick. This should be good news, even with the onset of Omicron, and yet here we are again facing a lockdown to preserve the NHS from collapse.
The claims Johnston repeats here are, at best, highly misleading. Take Sajid Javid’s line that “nine in 10 Covid patients needing the most care are unjabbed”. This stat has been repeated often by the haters-of-the-unvaccinated in recent days, but their source is rarely stated. It appears to refer to the claim made by NHS England at the start of December that, as the Times reports, “between July and November more than nine in 10 patients receiving the most specialist care, in which artificial lungs were used to try to save their lives, were unvaccinated”.
That raw statistic may be true (it is not in the public domain), but any implication that it means the unvaccinated are adding considerable pressure to health service resources doesn’t withstand scrutiny since the numbers involved here are miniscule. As Dr Clare Craig points out, over recent weeks there have only been one or two new Covid admissions being put onto an ‘artificial lung’ ECMO machine each week.
What about Sadiq Khan’s claim that the “vast, vast majority” of seriously ill people are unjabbed? It is, once again, asserted without providing a source, and in this case it appears to be flatly contradicted by the published data.
According to the latest data published by the UKHSA, a minority of Covid hospital admissions in the month ending December 12th – 42.9% – were unvaccinated. According to the latest data from ICNARC, a minority of Covid ICU admissions in October – 46.7% – and a minority in the two-week period November 1st to 14th – 47.5% – were unvaccinated. ICNARC has not published any more recent data than that on the ratio of unvaccinated to vaccinated Covid patients in ICU. If it has changed dramatically since then, that data is not in the public domain.
A Telegraph editorial on Monday drew on the same set of myths and even followed it up with an implied threat.
We were assured that if we were vaccinated – and most of us answered the call – the Government would pursue a different policy, of learning to live with Covid. The main reason that this is being abandoned is not because the new strain is especially dangerous to most people but because hospitals risk being overwhelmed, mainly by people who have refused the jab. What is to be done about them?
Et tu, Telegraph?
In January, the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (the organisation which includes the European Court of Human Rights), adopted a resolution urging member states and the European Union to ensure that “citizens are informed that the vaccination is not mandatory and that no one is under political, social or other pressure to be vaccinated if they do not wish to do so” and that “no one is discriminated against for not having been vaccinated, due to possible health risks or not wanting to be vaccinated”.
There are many reasons a person may choose not to be vaccinated, particularly if he or she is young, healthy, or has had Covid already, and is wary of the novel genetic technology and unusually high level of reported adverse events. This should be respected, without prejudice or discrimination. There should be no question of penalising him or her, anymore than, say, smokers, drinkers or motorcyclists should be penalised for making what is deemed by health authorities to be a higher risk choice.
Previously the haters-of-the-unvaccinated focused on infection rates and the claim that the unvaccinated spread the disease far more than the vaccinated. Once that claim collapsed they switched to hospital admissions. When the data there is lacking, they either make stuff up, use data from six months ago, or find obscure statistics involving tiny numbers of people to find something, anything, that sounds sufficiently scary to demonise the unvaccinated.
Apart from anything else, whatever happened to simply being a decent human being?
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Damn, I was saving all my old curtains
Blackout curtains are good. Photons are smaller than viruses and it stops them!
Photons are smaller than atoms so hopefully blackout curtains will stop the flow of oxygen and if the black out masks are worn correctly they will protect the wearer by asphyxiation.
Asphyxiation is a good way to avoid dying of Covid. Thanks for reminding us of that. Sometimes I feel the authorities aren’t doing enough to keep the public informed.
That and breathing back in the majority of the 40,000 ppm CO2 we all exhale.
You know, that deadly global warming gas the marxists are trying to eliminate.
I seem to recall that in some parts of the Ukraine, people are simply burning coal scratched out of the ground to keep warm. (not in July obviously). If these people succeed in wrecking the economy, I suspect shamdemics and the climate scare won’t be priorities.
We just need a snappy slogan: “It’s curtains for Covid! Make sure you black-out now. Be safe not sorry.”
Why do you think they are called black-out blinds?
“blackout” – very good!
wind turbines face masks as useless as BJ
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Damn! I got rid of all my photo darkroom blackouts when I gave up film processing and printing and took up with the newfangled digital cameras.
As I recall, it was extremely expensive material. Being jet-black, it’s probably more suitable for priestly and undertakers’ masks, with their intimations of mortality.
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My God, what a muppet that Labour councillor is.
“ICU is packed, well not really, buts let’s continue to wear these rags which have nothing to do with a virus”
These people are either incredibly stupid, but they’ve managed to dress themselves so ill rule that out, or brainwashed by some sort of cult. So, yes, this is a cult.
The rags are there to cover the face and keep us scared of the 24th most dangerous hobgoblin in the country.
I thought maks were only intruduced to make people ‘feel safer’.
I have read but cannot find the link that it requires about 200000 mask wearers to prevent 1 ‘case’. Its a nonsense. Just look at any footage relased of politicians when they think they’re not on camera, they don’t wear the bloody things.
It’s just an awful visible sign that you ‘care’ and that you are a morally superior human because you wear a mask made from a pair of knickers.
I read somewhere that after the first lockdowns early last year that high street stores were concerned that customers would not go in their shops and buy stuff because they feared catching the virus – so masks were introduced in stores to make customers feel safe while shopping.
I think it is absolutely to do with this.
The classic BBC HYS response is ‘but surgeons wear masks, you wouldn’t want a surgeoun operating on you without a mask’, or ‘it’s no big deal to war a mask’.
Can they not see that a surgeon is working in a pretty much sterile environment?
Also, surgeons/hospitals (in UK) have malpractice insurers. If the insurer receives many claims all mentioning non mask wearing and they don’t have strong evidence to reject these claims, they simply make it a condition of cover and hey presto! Surgeons everywhere wear masks. And the insurer gets to keep their money. Cha ching.
The environment matters not, they’re wearing masks to stop bacterial infection not viral infection. and guess what, masks don’t even stop the much larger bacteria.
so once again they’re just being worn to make people feel safe.
I’d prefer my surgeon can see me, masks make glasses mist up.
It’s to stop your bodily fluids entering through their mouth and nose. Hence the protective eyewear, too.
So unconscious patients regularly spit on their surgeons, do they?
Anyway, I thought face nappies were to protect other zombies, not the wearer.
No, but there can be “spurting” and bits flying off if they have to drill through a bone.
There are a number of studies that suggest that masks are actually counterproductive and could actually increase post operative infections. What they do do is protect the surgeon from fluid from the patient.
My response to that
“The mask is there to stop surgeons dribbling in their patients. Do you dribble without a mask?”
Surgeons wear masks.
They know how to wear them.
They wear them to reduce the risk of their saliva contaminating an open wound of a patient.
Operating theatres are oxygenated to prevent them from suffocating, getting tired and lose their concentration.
There are strict time limits for wearing N95&co masks.
The surgeon example as a defense of mask wearing in the community is almost as stupid as the ‘pee into your trousers’ one.
Technically incorrect..
Since the 1980’s it has been well known that there is a lower rate of post operative infection where the surgeons do NOT wear masks. Its kabuki theatre to wear them.
“Neil Orr’s study, published in 1981 in the Annals of the Royal College of Surgeons of England. Dr. Orr was a surgeon in the Severalls Surgical Unit in Colchester. And for six months, from March through August 1980, the surgeons and staff in that unit decided to see what would happen if they did not wear masks during surgeries. They wore no masks for six months, and compared the rate of surgical wound infections from March through August 1980 with the rate of wound infections from March through August of the previous four years. And they discovered, to their amazement, that when nobody wore masks during surgeries, the rate of wound infections was less than half what it was when everyone wore masks.
Their conclusion: “It would appear that minimum contamination can best be achieved by not wearing a mask at all” and that wearing a mask during surgery “is a standard practice that could be abandoned.”.
This has been replicated a number of times since.
And then came HIV, so wearing masks was never going to be abandoned. They added visors and glasses as well.
Yes a fart is a much better analogy.
Mask-less hospitals are cleaner and safer for patients, the science has already been done to prove it.
I had a similar conversation with someone and reflected that the mask is to prevent sputum, phlegm,blood, food debris etc falling into the wound, which must be kept sterile at all costs. It is not to to prevent the surgeon from contracting appendicitis. Masks, as far as I am concerned, are stage props which I wear to humour other people. As I always use the self checkout facility in the supermarket I’m never in there very long, so for me it’s trivial. What really worries me is the effect it is having on children’s perceptual development and everything that flows from that.
That’s what my MP said when I emailed him about their introduction.
And the continuation of masks keeps the fear and paranoia going.
the answer’s obvious, segregated shops – and buses…
A wise man (or possibly a woman) once said there’s no positive discrimination, just discrimination. Landsake, why can’t people see the utter poison of what’s being done?
Here: “assuming 20% asymptomatics and a risk reduction of 40% for wearing masks, 200 000 people would need to wear one to prevent one new infection per week”
Thank you – I knew I wasn’t making it up
or put another way the claimed reduction is so small as to be
complete bullshitstatiscally meaningless.Even if you accept the nonsense of Asymptomatic transmission – see Dr Mike Yeadon.
That was the CEBM at Oxford quoting the Norwegian Institute of Public Health last year. 200,000 people wearing masks all day all the time for a week to prevent a single infection.
Even the avowed cultists are having to back track somewhat. Trish Greenhalgh is, unfortunately for her, retreating to a personal hell, unable to recover her critical facalties
https://mobile.twitter.com/hartgroup_org/status/1416006539807182856
Tights as well? I suggest a sawn-off shotgun might be the ideal thing to accompany that tout-ensemble, especially when visiting banks, post offices or jewellers’ shops. It might, however, result in some “inverted mask mandating” when the armed constabulary find time to attend the scene.
That was story no. 1. Then it was to protect you. Then it was to protect others. Then it was to stop droplets. Then it was to stop aerosols.
Make your mind up!
That figure was in the Norwegian Public Health Institute’s assessment of masks.
Face knickers.
Or, in Wales, compulsory blue plastic trainer pants for retarded toddler faces.
am I right in thinking you really don’t like the darn horrid filthy things?
oh yes, like Hancock!
Would that be the one (also supported by the Royal Society) which was based on just four studies in healthcare settings in the far east (three of which apparently showed some benefit).
One of the least convincing pro-mask studies I’ve seen (and that’s saying something given how unconvincing most of them are).
Masks were always political props …
From Gov.UK- To make a simple face covering. You will need:
When I saw this March/April 2020 I knew it was all BS..
I’d almost forgotten that one. Yes, wasn’t it just a superb giveaway as to its utter crap?
Thank you for starting my day with a smile. I’ve never seen that one before.
Truly a comedy classic. (You could easily imagine Del-Boy and Rodney hawking these around in their Reliant Robin.)
could be a whole genre of “Covid comedy” one day…
and here’s one I prepared earlier…
Face-masks are great, because they show you who is complying with the rules.
They don’t have any other purpose for covid.
It was clear that wouldn’t do much to help last spring, but they were pushed anyway. It appears to be intrinsic in humans to believe in ‘bad air’, thus masks must surely provide some benefit… But they don’t. Nevertheless the baying public picked up on face-masks as their effective intervention of choice, and we ended up with people saying things like ‘if you don’t wear face-masks you’re literally killing people’ (this is nonsense). And of course who could forget the ‘double’ and then ‘triple’ masking that was fashionable for a while — all based on highly suspect science that gets through the ‘science censors’ — isn’t it interesting how little evidence is required for pro-government science to be reported, vs the mountain of evidence required for any science that is anti-government.
This push for face-masks hasn’t been without consequences — because of the belief in face-masks (most people I ask believe that they offer near 100% protection) many vulnerable folk will have put themselves at great risk by putting themselves in close contact with others — we’ll never know how many people the pro-mask propaganda has made seriously ill or even killed.
And I note that in recent news Wales has said that they’ll remove all restrictions but keep face masks — this is idiocy — they’re removing interventions that might work a bit, like social distancing, but keeping the one intervention that won’t provide any benefit.
Ah, but, to get back to my first point, face-masks are a visible sign of compliance, of showing who is ‘doing their bit’ vs who are the non-compliant ‘that are spoiling it for everyone’. It is very divisive.
I’ve decided that never want to know anyone who is still wearing a mask – seriously, anyone still wearing a mask particularly out in the open fresh air is a pathetic moron and I don’t want to know them or even speak to them – and any stores that still display signs like ‘No Mask No Entry‘ -well they can all go and get stuffed as far as I’m concenred because I won’t be shopping with them ever again.
Enjoy your isolation!
I don’t want to isolate myself but I am struggling to summon the enthusiasm to engage with the world a great deal outside of a small range of people and activities. I keep myself very busy with enjoyable things, so life is not terrible – quite the opposite in many ways – but it’s not the life we had before. I guess time will whether me and the world can meet somewhere in the middle.
Of course it’s difficult. My comment was ironic – one could end up hermit given the gullible numbers.
…. and how tedious to have to pick contacts on the basis of one criterion of righteousness.
This isn’t an alternative religion to Covid,
We’re a bit hermit like. Certainly struggle to muster enough for a party. Our friends have always been a pretty broad church, sociopolitically. Just find it hard to get past the corona thing at present.
But you’re not really wrong, despite being ironic.
People who refuse to go along with the madness will be pushed into social isolation (at best), just because there’ll be so few places to go should the covid Nazis get their way.
Dave Cullen/Computing Forever outlined all of this last April/May 2020.
It’s all part of the psy-ops. People are queuing up to get vaccinated, not necessarily because they’re afraid, but because they don’t want to be excluded from society, travel, etc, etc. It needs a sufficient number to push back, but we don’t have them in the UK. The endless propaganda has been very successful.
ah so it will be (de facto) compulsory then, especially when they start blaming us. Hang it!
Looks like there’s an alternative club for humourless sociopaths here,judging by the down votes on a tongue in cheek remark.
They mistook the tongue-in-cheek bit.
Nah, I upticked you, I see where you’re coming from, though admittedly you are a bit prickly sometimes… I have my doubts about the upticks and downticks function anyway.
Actually, I often prefer isolation- especially these days- as I generally find people irritating. How many times can one be told to ‘stay safe’ without snapping and turning into a homicidal maniac?
Don’t hate the shops, just go in maskless and no one will say anything. They’re just paying lip service…
It depends – in small local shops there is probably a higher chance of encountering a Covidian shopkeeper.
I’ve been in two supermarkets this morning and the proportion of muzzleoids is still depressingly high – I only saw one other non-muzzled person in each. Will be interesting to see what it’s like from tomorrow.
Sad but true- particularly in small villages like ours. A lot of the shops are posting very pious comments about how they’re keeping the muzzle mandate because, you know, science- so it’s off to Morrisons for me. One noteworthy exception is a Local Pub- The Eyre Arms- who have declared that Florence the Facemask is finished and all are welcome, so I’ll be eating there quite a bit.
Yep, I just stroll in, quick wave of the useless card if i really have to, and shop as normal. Don’t get any grief…but it is depressing.
No need for that. It’s bullshit. Call their bluff; ten to one they don’t mean it and never did. I know a small biz that says on the door that if you aren’t knickered you will be asked to leave. You won’t. They aren’t knickered themselves and they don’t give a hoot.
I usually assume if the staff are bare-faced then they don’t care. Sadly not many places like that round my way.
Went to a lovely, family run Italian last week and every single staff member wore a sunflower lanyard, nice!
Yup, we’ll be looking round the local restaurants now trying to suss out which ones are relaxed and which not.
Nah, best if some keep going to ones which aren’t relaxed or they’ll think that most people agree with them.
Depends on how likely the council are to shut them down…
The ‘competence’ of the Welsh pseudo-government revealed to all. The chief minister – a dim and indecisive coward rather than a safe pair of hands – looks as though he might wear a face mask over his arse to prevent an accident: his brain dropping out. One imagines that a policy of slaughtering the firstborn could be sold to him as a Covid prevention measure.
“slaughtering the first born?”
Joking aside if the injections are enforced that’s clearly on the agenda.
You think there’s a brain in there somewhere?
Yes, though about the size of a leaking pustule.
I’ve had the odd accident. Despite always covering that area, I always assume it doesn’t stop everything…
Double muzzling hasn’t finished. I saw one a couple of days ago that made me laugh out loud.
She was sitting in first-class carriage travelling towards Nicola-land, having shelled out for a first class ticket to avoid the plebs. She was wearing a respirator mask, covered with a cloth mask, and finally a large plastic visor screen. She was clearly in a terrified state, and probably suffocating. She was in her late twenties and was of normal body weight – likely had a 99.999+ survival chance. Cretin.
So no hidden disability then?
mental illness obviously
A malfunctioning brain perhaps?
That’s the great beauty of masks. It highlights the disability for all to see.
Moronism.
I’d love to hear that she’d got pinged by Track and Trace….
I have mixed feelings. It drives me absolutely potty, when driving by, I have seen people on their own, say on a straight, mile-long stretch of empty rural footpath and there is clearly no one else on that path. Or, seeing lone people driving a car and masked.
As I say, it drives me nuts. You ask them (in your head, or muttering), why they are doing it if it is supposedly for the benefit of other people. Or, if you feel it is essential to wear a mask even in those scenarios – then the concentration and lethality in the environment would mean that you would be stuffed whatever. That’s without even mentioning things like mask material/fit/usage, size of virus, nor that apart from mouth and nose, the virus can also enter via the eyes.
But, on the other hand, a lot of people do not feel a need to question or look beyond the official narrative. And so, putting their faith and trust in governments and media they have been completely misled and become very frightened.
I have to admit, for example, that back when the question first arose of whether or not it might be beneficial for masks to be worn, I said to my wife that surely it is better to than not – duh. Since then, as a result of looking into things for myself, I know that my initial response was based on ignorance of the facts (unaware of virus size, etc, etc). Similarly, we went through a period of wiping all our shopping with anti-bac wipes. So I was acting stupidly/ignorantly then.
So, while I get really frustrated with the especially OTT ‘stupid’ behaviour, I think it is not so much stupidity in many cases, but that some people just don’t feel any need at all to look beyond the tv or papers. And of course, there is the blight of (un)social-media.
I think if, via others – or even self-imposed, you are denied access to valid and unbiased information, then does that make you stupid?
“I think if, via others – or even self-imposed, you are denied access to valid and unbiased information, then does that make you stupid?”
Sort of, yes, it does. Intelligence that is functional has to include the idead and the willpower to apply it appropriately.
I’m pretty lazy and tend to believe stuff I am told or don’t care whether it’s completely true or not, if it doesn’t affect me much. I’ve always assumed politicians lie a fair bit, but have tended to not worry about it overly as I have a comfortable life and haven’t been a victim of much – a very selfish attitude, doubtless, but probably not uncommon. When covid came along it seemed to me obvious that government actions were so extreme that additional scrutiny was required. What baffles me is why that wasn’t obvious to a lot more people than it has been obvious to.
The general public are victims of the Big Lie, but they have been lazy, gullible victims and part of life is being grown up and thinking for yourself, at least about the important stuff. So one’s sympathy is a bit limited.
“Sort of, yes, it does.”
That’s not really fair. For all we knew early last year covid could have been much deadlier, killing 5% of all ages.
I was really addressing the question in a general sense of whether you believe everything you are told by “standard” sources or whether you make an effort to go beyond that and look into things more thoroughly. Much of the blame lies with dishonest leaders, but some of it lies with those who just went along with what they were told, despite it smelling fish pretty early on. At least it smelled fishy to me. If it doesn’t smell fishy to people now then that’s more a product of sunk cost fallacy/not wanting to admit you’ve been had. I suppose a natural suspicion and wanting to look behind the headlines is just luck, so perhaps blame is the wrong word. But if you’re smart but gullible then your smartness is of limited practical use. Depends on your definition of stupid. I’m not trying to insult anyone here.
If you haven’t had any microbiological, immunological experience, training, etc, and know very little about such things, it’s easy to be misled (lied to). How can you know that what they’re saying probably isn’t true?
I don’t think you’re stupid. I think the people who made you think that way are deeply dishonest and culpable.
I knew most of what they were saying didn’t always make much sense because I’ve worked in pathology all my working life, and have had some experience in most path fields, including microbiology. I’ve been to plenty of lectures.
The only debate for me, back in February/March last year was how deadly the virus was, and initially it looked quite high, 3-5% fatality rate.
But even then, little of what they said made sense.
My policy has been the same since before last July – snigger a bit when I see them…
I like to go into shops and point at people wearing masks and say quite loudly “You’re fucking weird you are!”
I’m too polite, but I do like to snigger a bit.
Maybe, just maybe, she was having chemo or was a transplant recipient. My normally party-girl friend is now on immunosuppressive drugs due to a kidney transplant and is paranoid about catching “it”. She is double-pfizered but no antibodies and is shelling out for a T cell test. I am not hopeful on her behalf, given that the jab has probably destroyed any immune system she had left.
Then, as Bret Weinstein has said, she and others that are immunosuppressed should be taking Ivermectin prophylactically.
My personal “masking favorite” is the lady living in the same house as I do who puts her’s on in order to take the rubbish out, closely followed by the (female) jogger (seen twice) who pulls it over her face whenever she’s approaching other people.
Mine is the off-road cyclists with masks on but no helmets…
Saw a bloke today, strutting around town in just shorts and flip flops…and a mask.
I was amused this morning to see a 30-ish woman (masked, of course) taking several attempts to push the button on a pedestrian crossing with her elbow – then got out a bottle of sanitiser and rubbed it on her elbow with her other hand..
Look at it this way. At least it all makes for some entertaining viewing!
oh yes, there’s much funnier things than the snotrags themselves
Just use your knuckle, most people don’t put those in their mouth. And remember – cough into your elbow – and then elbow bump!
like the Stig on holiday…
Social distancing is another red herring. Masks don’t work because of aerosol transmission. Aersosol particles travel more than two metres. Plus if we accept any of these measures have validity they’re here for ever. Remember the IFR is similar to a moderate flu. Flu is with us every year.
There is not ONE single NPI intervention that acts to aid public health, NOT ONE.
Handwashing is great for norovirus, food prep & not transferring faecal matter to door handles etc (little nugget from my induction training in my first NHS post in Barnsley – bacteria gets through 38 layers of toilet paper! But masks work… The slimy gunk that kills anything & everything good or bad on your skin only serves a purpose in healthcare settings.
There is a fair amount of evidence suggesting that the primary route for covid infection is orofecal.
This clearly goes against everything the authorities have said and the majority of the advice they have given about controlling the spread of covid (hand washing would still be good advice — although I note that the fetish for mask-wearing has decreased enthusiasm for hand-washing — why would people bother when they’ve been told that masks work 100% and vaccination isn’t far behind).
This fits certain data that is difficult to explain otherwise. Eg, transmission between family members in homes is rather low (about 10%) for a virus that’s meant to have R0=6, but sort-of matches the general incidence of hand-washing after toilet use in the population.
The lack of spread in many homes could simply be down to other members of the household being already immune by one route or another (including as a result of having had other coronaviruses), or just having no symptoms.
That slimy gunk is very, very bad for the environment, and very, very good for encouraging superbugs.
“Nevertheless the baying public picked up on face-masks as their effective intervention of choice, ”
No doubt, the baying public on Twitter, many of whom were in China???
Just came back from shopping. Farm shop 50% masked. Co-Op 80% masked. Freedom day?
Down the town tomorrow, I expect to see masks in the street
Going to try my local Stand in the Park for the first time today.
Going to mine too. Been going for a couple of months now. I can honestly say it’s the highlight of the week. You’ll meet some great people. Good luck.
Cheers Helena. I’ve always been a pretty outgoing person I hope I haven’t lost the knack!
A few of us are having a get together in a Norfolk pub tomorrow.
Not the one with the vaccine passports.
Hope he goes bust.
I’ve been thinking of looking for one too
It was great, really enjoyed it. About 50 people there.
In other news, scientist confirms sun rises in the east.
Unless you’re Boris, in which case it shines out of Witless’s arse and never, ever sets.
no they weren’t. only a small percentage of bedwetters wore the damn things until they were told, incorrectly, that it was compulsory.
Indeed
The media and the government created the lie
The bedwetters were doing everything they were told because they were terrified.
They were told facemasks wouldn’t help and so didn’t wear them. But they were also not going to the shops, which was hurting the economy.
So they were then told that facemasks were great and they then happily went down the shops / garden-centre cafe / etc.
This policy will have ended up making rather a few vulnerable very ill and will probably have caused many deaths.
What they should have done is told the vulnerable groups to stay at home and allowed everyone else to carry on, with a few precautions. All the science said that this was the right approach, but they went for a draconian ‘lockdown everyone’ anyway.
I’d note that of the points in the ‘official government’ response to Gt Barrington, all have been shown to be ‘not relevant’ other than two — that he vulnerable wouldn’t have behaved and that there would have been legal challenge. So we’ve had 12+ months of restrictions to protect the vulnerable, all because too many of the vulnerable wouldn’t have behaved.
I don’t think the restrictions were anything to do with what the vulnerable would or would not have done
It has all been theatre from the start
As the same restrictions have been imposed across many countries, it was an excuse, nothing more.
Quite. After a number of people wearing them (and equally useless plastic gloves) in April last year, their use had declined to only a few. I remember being out and about on a busy, sunny Sunday afternoon the day before the muzzles in shops mandate came into force and saw a grand total of two people wearing them (one of which had it on their chin).
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Why bring the New Zealand Prime Minister into this?
It’s not her, silly, it’s the Scottish First Minister.
Stand firm, comrades.
Tomorrow we must hold back the massed onslaught of the maskateers, covidisters and the sheep.
Keep the faith and we will prevail.
Keep saying “mask debate” quickly….sorry, I have a juvenile mind. The masks right from the start were nothing more than a virtue signalling tool “to make OTHERS feel safe”
which has now evolved into a comfort blankie to make them feel safe! People look like absolute gimps in them but as the mask is all part of the removal of dignity in the name of community “safety” people allowed themselves to embrace it, to feel good about themselves! Most still have no idea that by wearing it they are showing their acceptance of the new regime, and that they are stressor tool to keep the cult of fear going. Many are still utterly clueless that their mask protects no one.
https://youtu.be/kF7WPV3Bs6I
So funny
Exactly!
The important thing to grasp here is that anything you are told in the mainstream media by an “expert” giving you the government line is that its content is wholly functional. Any relationship with truth is purely coincidental – it says what is thought to be most likely to induce the most favourable behaviour for the government at that moment.
Hence the “expert advice” as to the “facts” will change from time to time, even as the actual truth on the issue in question does not change.
Facemasks have been a prime exemplar of this, over the past 16 months..
Surprise surprise, there’s a new pilot scheme in town and Bozo and Dishi don’t have to self isolate.. Imagine my shock!
Bozo has done one of his famous u-turns!!
No shit!
If we get a sustained heatwave this summer, it’ll be interesting to see if they’re honest enough to tell the elderly that wearing a mask outdoors may actually be harmful.
I’m pretty sure somebody within the dictatorship let this slip last year.
After all, we must do everything we can to “protect the NHS”.
Report this by all means – but not as if it’s a revelation.
The actual news is that a member of SAGE has actually said something that is correct. But that’s just the law of averages.
On a Dorset beach yesterday and an entire family near us were wearing masks. These people cannot be saved
Neither can the couple I saw in their car, also yesterday and in Dorset, both wearing cotton masks.
Unfortunately, while we are arguing about face masks, which I readily agree are an abomination and a behavioural scientist’s dream, the prospect of vaccine passports is not being discussed. This is the real hill we will have to die on.
I don’t disagree, but I’m beyond arguing about masks as I just don’t wear one anywhere. I’ve moved on to mocking those who do.
The passports I think won’t take off. Businesses seem to be saying no… As more and more people realise the vaccine doesn’t stop you getting it or passing it on, the case will crumble I think
I hope you’re right. The latest revelation about Sajid’s health does rather suggest how pointless they are.
“but I’m beyond arguing about masks as I just don’t wear one anywhere.”
You won’t be flying anywhere then. The vaccine passports are already here.
https://thl.fi/en/web/infectious-diseases-and-vaccinations/what-s-new/coronavirus-covid-19-latest-updates/vaccines-and-coronavirus/covid-19-vaccination-certificate
They’re not here at all.
Flying yes, although from what I’ve heard everyone removes then to eat. For the entire length of the flight.
They pretend to enforce the regulations and we pretend to follow them…
This is the most pernicious of damage to society.
Even better, BA have reverted to handing out bottles of water and bAgs of crisps, to aid you in this endeavour
BA accepts your self-exemption, sofar.
But you’ll have to put it on in your destination country.
Even in Miami airport, although once you exit it, you’ll be free again.
There is now rather a lot of evidence emerging that mass vaccination has not only led to vaccine escape, thus rendering the vaccines useless at protecting against infection,
But also that they’re resulted in relative large numbers of asymptomatic-infected. If these are also infectious (very likely) then any relaxation of restrictions for the vaccinated (ie, passports) will only make things worse.
Indeed, it is looking increasingly likely that we should really be maintaining or even increasing restrictions on the vaccinated, while relaxing them for the unvaccinated. But, of course, that’ll never ever happen…
We urgently need proper science looking into the behaviour / time course of covid infection in the vaccinated. But the authorities seem determined on suppressing any anti-vaccine research.
The authorities’ actions appear increasingly risky — will the official policy of mass vaccination end up making things far far worse?
“Indeed, it is looking increasingly likely that we should really be maintaining or even increasing restrictions on the vaccinated, while relaxing them for the unvaccinated“
In reality we should be halting all special treatment of covid and going back to the old normal, pre-2020.
Correct.
we never should have started it…
Asymptomatic transmission, whlst possibly not a myth, is not and has never been a significant factor. It’s actually, along with PCR testing, one of the two pillars used to keep this charade going.
The Scamdemic has indeed maintained its momentum by constant use of testing of the people without symptoms.
Why are we not testing the population for malaria or dengue fever, or…erm?
Because we don’t have symptoms.
This is how ridiculous our situation is and people still believe.
If by evidence you mean what passes for evidence these days, i.e. someone making an assertion and saying its science, then maybe.
Personally I don’t see anyone getting particularly sick, flocking to hospitals or dying, but what do I know, I just use.my eyes and my brain.
You are missing the point. C1984 is simply the cover for all the restrictions, vaccines, passports and whatever.
Move away from “the virus” and look beyond.
The virus is the gateway to the NWO.
Vaccine passports are already here in Finland/EU. From last Wednesday.
https://thl.fi/en/web/infectious-diseases-and-vaccinations/what-s-new/coronavirus-covid-19-latest-updates/vaccines-and-coronavirus/covid-19-vaccination-certificate
so not Bournemouth then…
Masks are useless at stop a virus? No shit, Sherlock.
I see the blob and chancellor are not going to have to isolate despite being in close contact with a positive case, surprise, surprise they’re taking part in a ‘new’ study where they will have daily tests instead. How come these new studies only appear to involve our ruling elite just as they’re about to head off on their hols?
I’m waiting for the blob to say he doesn’t need to do any if it because he’s had the disease and the chances of getting it twice are very low – if only.
Possibly
But I’m more concerned that the pilot will turn into guidance that businesses bully their staff into following
Anything that embeds mass is bad for us
They are not ‘elite’ – they are thugs protected by bodyguards and the Police.
And, he’s had the injections
No he’s had saline.
The blob’s reputation might have been improved had he succumbed to it last year.
How tyranny creeps up on you.
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Hmmm.. deleted. So much I’d like to say but feel constrained.
No constraints here my friend
Did you see the blessed Ferguson pontificating on the Andrew Marr show. Lots of opinion masquerading as scientific fact. And then we got Jenrick…
Bojo and Rishi now isolating after “backlash”.
Haha hilarious.
presumably to jet off on the private plane to some deluxe destination and their ‘absence’ won’t be noticed
Seems like Sunak senses the mood and tweeted he was isolating, forcing Johnson into a corner
I don’t like the use of “cloth” here. Is this meant to imply that the blue ones which some people refer to as “surgical” masks are more effective? Hmmm…
18 months ago all the “reputable” senior health advisors were telling us that masks did not prevent viral spread or could make things worse (because of constant touching to readjust). Now they lie and say the opposite.
Masking of the public is wrong because it is built on a big lie and is part of a control system. It’s nothing to do with health and it’s kind of surprising that Lockdown Sceptics gives succour to the idea that masking has something to do with health, against all the evidence.
‘We’d like you to wear a face covering’ is the new sign for tomorrow at a nearby pharmacy.
I’d like them to give me a large cheque. However neither are going to happen.
Exactly, it’s like the “expect”. I expect to win the lottery every week but it’s never happened.
For pretty much the entirety of World War II, British civilians carried around with them gas masks. For much of the war it was a criminal offence to be out in public without such a mask. Department store John Lewis threatened its staff: “”those who come without their gas mask must not be surprised if they are dismissed as unsuitable in time of war.” The masks themselves were cumbersome, heavy, and uncomfortable and unpleasant to wear. Despite this British Government boffins suggested civilians wear them fifteen minutes or so per day “to get used to wearing them.”
We may spend a lot of time debating how effective these masks would have been, should the Germans have decided to deploy chemical weapons against the British population. We can spend even more time looking at the general ineffectiveness of chemical weapons in a wide-area attack.
What we cannot debate is this: These fucking masks killed many times more people than they could possibly have ever saved. Why? Because the filtration medium used in them was asbestos. A leading cause of asbestosis, pleuritis, and lung cancer.
Do we ever learn? Apparently not.
The government had a bugger of a job getting people to wear them. I remember reading that they only ever got as high as 15% adherence and that was in the early days of the war.
Even the blackout was an extremely dubious measure. The Luftwaffe didn’t seem to have any difficulty finding any British city – believe me, I’m from Coventry. However in 1940 the King’s Surgeon complained that the blackout was killing 600 people a month in road accidents without the Germans even taking off.
And don’t forget the insane levels of crime during blackouts. My mum said it was an awful time for no real benefit
The parallels are quite remarkable. The gas masks mandated and issued to the public in WW2 might have protected them from the types of poison gas in use 20 years previously, in WW1, but would have been entirely ineffective against the various forms of Mustard Gas or the Nerve Gases (Tabun and Sarin) that the Germans had developed. Again, forcing masks on the public was pure theatre.
(Ironically, Hickson and Welch, a chemical company based near me was producing a foul-smelling additive that was used to treat the British Army battledress. The squaddies were told that it was it was an insecticide but, in reality, it was an attempt to protect the wearer from Mustard Gas which, fortunately, the Germans never used.
ITS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SIZE OF THE FILTER.
It’s boils my blood whenever I read about filter sizes from people who should know better.
As far as I’m aware the Coronavirus Act didn’t manage to repeal the path of least resistance law.
Which means that when you exhale you put the mask under pressure, and it billows out like a sail. The air goes up the side, bottom and top, not through the mask – along with any virus aerosols it happens to be transporting – which can then go for miles.
No filtration at all.
Within seconds or minutes at best the entire space you are in has a virus threshold sufficient to trigger infection in the susceptible.
The only masks that have a hope of working to protect the individual are those that create a seal around the mouth and nose on inhale, and that are of sufficient quality to filter viruses, and changed frequently enough to keep the filter clean.
If the population can’t cope with basic physics, how are they going to get their head around the fluid dynamics?
Agreed. I was looking again at the mask law and ‘guidance’ recently, what with Fweedom Day coming up. Interestingly, the guidance says you can wear a visor with a mask, but shouldn’t wear one on its own, as it “does not filter particles” – like (they say) a mask does.
Yet, the law – the actual legislation – makes no mention at all of filtering particles, because they know damn well a home made mask can’t do that. They are lying. Again.
One only has to consider the masks used by paint sprayers, think about the size of a paint droplet, and the fact that they have a face-fit test for them, but can the plebs see that? Not a chance. Ok, plebs, it’s like a chicken wire umbrella… get it? No.
It’s not even up to the level of basic physics, Lucan, it’s in the domain of everyday experience, but they can’t even manage that. The mask is now more of a talisman, as long as you have it, it will ward off the bad juju.
It was only ever a visible, public symbol of fear.
Leaving the efficiency and political/control stories aside, there are 3 real world facts which should make everyone ditch their masks ASAP and for good:
1. Noone, absolutely noone, puts them on and off and wears them correctly, exchanges them correctly and early enough.
The vast majority mishandle them in such a way that using their used loo paper instead would be much more healthy for them.
See hospital hygienist Prof. Ines Kappstein on that: you need to wash your hands 3x per exchange, use two sterile masks for that only, and exchange it after having spoken 5 sentences.
Obviously, she was demoted for publishing that study and advise.
2. On N95 masks, there were previously strict time limits applicable which are now completely ignored, and to be effective, they need to be fitted in the first place.
Noone adheres to either.
Forcing them on the general population like the Germans and Austrians do, and in on particular children, is a genocidal crime.
(See recent Walach/Hockertz study on ‘any mask for children is dangerous’.)
3. Masks are not a zero cost/damage option or NPI.
To the contrary.
Even if they are used correctly, which no one does, they pose a vast multitude of health risks to their wearer.
https://www.hausarzt-kenzingen.de/aktuelles/
See the 2nd story and study review there.
So medics have no idea how viral infection works, but it’s not their fault because it’s not their domain?
What the hell IS their domain, then?
Two different pubs in Yorkshire. First one on Friday night, wife, two adult children and I walk into a pub. Son and I not wearing a mask, wife and daughter wearing masks. Waitress asks about masks and I say that my son and I are excempt to which she responds “OK” with nothing more being said. On Saturday night – same arrangement with same configuration of face coverings – we walk in to another pub – despite the usual paraphanlia at the door, no-one says anything about the lack of facecoverings or asks us to sign-in or sanitise. My daughter is recognised by one of the waitresses and they hug each other. The staff there, except for wearing facecoverings, just ignored the rules – not quite back to normal, but not far off. I did feel sorry for the wait staff though, with the heat and having to wear muzzles.
“it’s not their fault, it’s not their domain – they’ve got a cartoonish view of how the world is”.
I disagree. They are healthcare professionals, it is absolutely their domain and they should know better.
The facemask is a decoy. Think of all the hours wasted by lockdown sceptics complaining about them when the time could have been better spent complaining about lockdown instead?
BS. Mask mandates were and are a crucial part of the totalitarian agenda, same as the Hitler salute was.
They abolished the right of bodily autonomy and opened the box of the Pandora to abolish ever more of them once that and they were accepted by the public.
To my great surprise, given its rigid lockdown stance, the Scottish government website clearly states that “The evidence for wearing masks is lacking” and “masks are not effective in stopping transmission”.
Masks identify those who are most susceptible to suggestion.
From there it’s just a matter of herding them around.
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How did you slip through the recruitment screening for Sage though?
Colin Axon is a hero. He says “social distancing” is a load of masks too. Youtube video of this last summer: “We should relax pretty much all the restrictions that we have.”
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Tumours are anaerobic…which means they thrive on carbon dioxide. If you don’t want a tumour, take OFF the mask. Allow oxygen to cleanse the body and help the tumour reduce its size.
Who, in their right mind, would mandate prolonged, daily, obstruction of the respiratory pathway as a disease control method?
It’s psychopathy.
A comfort blanket that suffocates you, depriving your brain (however small) of oxygen and is a filthy rag that is fondled and fiddled with to pick up the general bacterial crap from your mouth and breath and deposit on everything else you touch. An entirely anti-social activity.
Sod “comfort blanket” – the willing wearers are mostly either idiotic sheep, or “virtue” signalling Woke arseholes.