Another week, another Vaccine Surveillance report (now published by the U.K. Health Security Agency (UKHSA), the successor to Public Health England), and with it more worrying news on the vaccine front.
Infection rates in the double-vaccinated compared to the unvaccinated continue to rise, meaning unadjusted vaccine effectiveness continues to decline. Infection rates are now higher in the double-vaccinated compared to the unvaccinated by 124% in those in their 40s, 103% in those in their 50s and 60s and 101% in those in their 70s, corresponding to unadjusted vaccine effectiveness estimates of minus-124%, minus-103% and minus-101% respectively. For those over 80 the unadjusted vaccine effectiveness is minus-34% while for those in their 30s it is minus-27%. For 18-29 year-olds it is 25%, so still positive but low, while for under-18s it is 90%, the only age group showing high efficacy. Vaccine effectiveness against emergency hospital admission and death continues to hold up, though with some indication of gradual slide, particularly in older age groups (see below). (For definitions and limitations, see here.)
The UKHSA has continued to receive criticism for publishing this data, with claims that the figures used for the unvaccinated population are unreliable and likely too high, artificially suppressing the infection rate and vaccine effectiveness. Cambridge statistician Professor David Spiegelhalter put out a scathing tweet on these lines on Friday, but he didn’t elaborate on his claim or link to an article explaining it further.
Professors Norman Fenton and Martin Neil have argued that in fact the PHE/UKHSA data may underestimate the number of unvaccinated rather than overestimate them, which would have the reverse effect.
Either way though, what wouldn’t change is the fact of the large and fast decline in effectiveness against infection. This is now generally acknowledged among many scientists (likely caused by waning over time or new variants or both), though has not had the logical impact on Government policy one might have expected and hoped for of eliminating the rationale for vaccine passports and mandates.
A further point revealed for the first time in this week’s surveillance report is that the vaccines may actually hobble the body’s ability to develop the strongest immunity once infected. As noted by Alex Berenson, the report mentions (in passing) that “recent observations from U.K. Health Security Agency (UKHSA) surveillance data” show that “N antibody levels appear to be lower in individuals who acquire infection following two doses of vaccination”.
The report does not elaborate on this, but on the face of it it is a startling admission. It is basically saying that a certain kind of antibody which is not produced by the vaccines but is usually produced by infection (and hence is used by PHE/UKHSA to identify those with antibodies-from-infection) is not produced so well by those who are infected post-vaccination. Insofar as this is true it means the vaccines may actually prevent the immune system from developing the strongest form of protection against reinfection. This phenomenon of the immune system being in some way hobbled by the way it first encounters a pathogen is well-known and is referred to as original antigenic sin.
There would be a number of implications of this. It would mean that since the vaccine rollout got going the prevalence of N antibodies in the population has ceased to be a reliable measure of how many people are previously infected (which might explain why it has been rising so slowly during the Delta surge). It would also mean the vaccines may make reinfections and serious illness upon reinfection more likely. Plus likely other things as well.
This is something that should be investigated fully and the results published so that its impact can be properly assessed and understood.
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How can they say the “vaccine” reduces deaths?
I’ll tell you how.
A lot of deaths are occurring in those crucial 2 weeks after the first jab and being counted as unvaccinated covid deaths. Taking from one pile and adding to the other.
Murder One
COVID Deaths Before and After Vaccination
Programs
https://odysee.com/@CosmicEvent:5/COVID-Deaths-Before-and-After-Vaccination-Programs:4
https://bakerstreetrising.home.blog/2021/10/19/covax-through-the-looking-glass-part-9/
Using “unadjusted” figures allows the author the gravely misrepresent the actual status.
Obviously, the editors approve of this poor quality reporting.
Presumably those jabbed before getting Covid have some resistance, if limited, to the next infection. It’s going to take a while before the spike mutates to become entirely different, surely? What we need is a study looking at their symptoms in their future re infections.
Sort of thing Gates could pay for, huh?
https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/02/investigative-reports/schwab-family-values/
Is the real Klaus Schwab a kindly old uncle figure wishing to do good for humanity, or is he really the son of a Nazi collaborator who used slave labour and aided Nazi efforts to obtain the first atomic bomb?
This appears to be something that backs up the statement that recent observations from U.K. Health Security Agency (UKHSA) surveillance data show that “N antibody levels appear to be lower in individuals who acquire infection following two doses of vaccination”
https://twitter.com/j_sato/status/1445344332140060680/photo/2
Remember this interview? It is very topical now with the news about diminishing antibody protection following vaccination
https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/dr-david-bauer-interview-francis-crick-institute-gvs-news-footage/1325046154
Why is Mr Bauer upset?
Here is the damage limitation piece.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/07/virologist-work-anti-vaxxers-covid
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/urgent-covid-vaccines-will-keep-you/comments
What the British are saying is they are now finding the vaccine interferes with your body’s innate ability after infection to produce antibodies against not just the spike protein but other pieces of the virus. Specifically, vaccinated people don’t seem to be producing antibodies to the nucleocapsid protein, the shell of the virus, which are a crucial part of the response in unvaccinated people.
This means vaccinated people will be far more vulnerable to mutations in the spike protein EVEN AFTER THEY HAVE BEEN INFECTED AND RECOVERED ONCE (or more than once, probably).
It also means the virus is likely to select for mutations that go in exactly that direction, because those will essentially give it an enormous vulnerable population to infect. And it probably is still more evidence the vaccines may interfere with the development of robust long-term immunity post-infection.
https://johnplatinumgoss.com/2021/10/24/whos-winning-the-vaccine-war/
The NHS letters cajoling me to get jabbed have provided useful kindling for the wood burner. That the messenger RNA gene therapy jabs ‘hobble’ your immune system is old news – reported over recent months in independent media. Get jabbed, get sick. No thanks.
Someone help me here please: surely the real headline is that the vaccines – according to these figures – are faring well in preventing death. Isn’t that the key takeaway?
What am I missing?
The slow increase in “infection” rates (whatever that means) among the vaccinated strongly suggests that these experimental vaccines are making recipients more, not less susceptible to infections.
This has been a concern for earlier attempts to create coronavirus vaccines and is the reason none ever went into production before.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41577-020-0321-6
https://sciencewithdrdoug.com/2020/08/01/is-a-coronavirus-vaccine-a-ticking-time-bomb/
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/dr-david-bauer-pfizer-vaccine-produces-fewer-key-antibodies/vi-AAKHPO1
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/infection-control-and-hospital-epidemiology/article/original-antigenic-sin-a-potential-threat-beyond-the-development-of-booster-vaccination-against-novel-sarscov2-variants/C8F4B9BE9E77EB566C71E98553579506
https://rybicki.blog/2020/04/11/antibody-dependent-enhancement-in-coronaviruses/
The undesirable reaction to coronavirus vaccines is called Antibody dependent enhancement/ original antigenic sin/ vaccine induced enhancement. It occurs at a later stage, following rechallenge with the same, or similar virus.
Immunization with SARS coronavirus vaccines leads to pulmonary immunopathology on challenge with the SARS virus
I still don’t know anyone personally who has had Covid 19. Anyone else?
I know one person for definite early on who had mild symptoms for a few days but then made full recovery. I know second hand of lots of others who have ‘tested postive’ but can’t verify if they actually had it.
I know very few people who haven’t.
original antigenic sin
Very interesting points for investigation and thought
If it emerges that these emergency use vaccines do harm the recipient’s immune response, the pharma companies have no liability. As an emergency use authorised “vaccine” most of the regulatory controls over safety were lifted. The pharma companies do not even need to declare the contents of the injections.
If I were a criminal, I could consider this as the perfect murder, because all liability has been placed on the recipient.
“the fact of the large and fast decline in effectiveness against infection.” – fed her they want us to have boosters. Isn’t that a classic example of the definition of insanity?
So far the forensic evidence suggests that two groups of people are likely to be genocided (1) the Covid vaccinated will die from a multitude of booster enhanced spike protein induced blood clotting associated illnesses, and also from antibody dependent enhancement of immune response to subsequent viral infections (2) the unvaccinated will be blamed as cause of this morbidity and mortality in the vaccinated, leading to widespread genocidal killing of the unvaccinated by the vaccinated, especially by Covid Internment Camps. Let’s hope this speculative scenario turns out to be entirely wrong.
if you want the actual ‘truth’ just check out a YouTube video titled ‘Long term side effects of Covid vaccination are not a thing – the whole truth – StuffNZ’ https://youtu.be/CAHcrvJxV6I so please stop questioning everything now
I’m guessing that you are jesting about stop questioning everything!
Even some advocates of the experimental vaccine such as John Campbell would I’d guess squirm at that video
Kyle’s vaccine experience
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7inaTiDKaU
from this video “we know the vaccines are safe….”
That is not what the data shows…..
https://theexpose.uk/2021/08/16/dr-tess-lawrie-responds-to-mhra-be-transparent-about-vaccine-deaths-and-suspend-the-covid-19-vaccination-programme/
When will the lies stop. When will people realise the propaganda. What does it take !!
“Vaccine effectiveness against emergency hospital admission and death continues to hold up…” or is it that the big bad wolfy virus the governments and co strived to terrorise the populations into submitting to the emergency mandates and jabs isn’t as vicious or deadly as portrayed?
‘minus-124%, minus-103% and minus-101%’ ? Minus-100% of x is zero. Redo that perhaps?
For a theoretical vaccine, minus 100% efficacy just means that if there were 100 infections without a vaccine, there are 200 infections with the vaccine.
100% efficacy takes away all 100 infections leaving no infections. Whereas minus 100% efficacy adds in another 100 infections to the existing 100 infections giving 200 infections in total.
There are roughly double the rate of positive tests in the double experimentally vaccinated to the unvaccinated in some age categories based on the raw PHE data which is why there is roughly minus 100% efficacy.
So the vaxxines are mutating into anti-vaxxines?
I don’t want to be around if a vaxxine and anti-vaxxine come together (/s)
Hobble the immune system, as in wipe it out slowly. Yes some believe that is exactly what these vaxx are doing.
The hard fact is, even allowing for wide margins of error, the jabs are patently not doing what the promo claimed in 2020. Are, in fact, another dodgy investment. Even for the 70-79 age group (possibly the most indicative), the absolute risk reduction remains at <0.5% for hospitalisation and death. Even the most enthusiastic relative risk dupe can’t turn that into a conquest!
I’m afraid Spiegelhalter blew his street cred a while back. He may be partly right in terms of data reliability – but that’s a two-way street, and still leads to the above conclusion. It’s a shame – I’ve previously always rated him, but he was captured by the Narrative.
Norman Fenton has always been more convincing on this (OK – I may be accused of possible confirmation bias, but his critical approach is more convincing).
Whatever – we are seeing a massive rate of infection in the jabbed when compared to the claims being made, and those claims come from about the most unreliable sources that you can imagine. Both the data and the theory create a picture of extreme concern.
I hold no candle for any particular treatment, but what really winds me up, beyond the patent… Read more »
https://twitter.com/Noconsent12/status/1451217352184549379
I am new to these pages and would like to make a request that someone who is in the relevant profession might like to publish some information and an analysis, on, and of, the ADR (adverse reaction) data that is available please (or provide a suitable hyperlink to reliable data; and not the ‘massaged data’ that seems to meet the ‘desired narrative’)?
I feel that the matter of vaccine ADRs is something that is not being discussed enough and find this to be a matter of concern, especially in view of the fact that the vaccine has not been rigorously ‘field tested’ as, at this juncture, it is far too soon to have gathered enough data to accurately evaluate this risk.
Thanks in anticipation.
Another proposed health app from the government which could be linked to a ‘vaccine passport’ and turned through 180 degrees to penalise those who make ‘bad choices’. All part of the plan for digital control of our lives!
https://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/news/national/19665058.app-help-people-eat-better-exercise-will-launch-next-year/
Yes and then the Government guidelines on healthy food is incorrect…..
Okay so jabbed infection rates are double the un-jabbed in the 40-79 age group.
That alone destroys the ‘waning immunity’ narrative because people are clearly ‘waning’ to below pre- jabbed levels i.e. normal/natural immunity levels. Meaning their immune systems have been compromised by the jabs.
I’ve just remembered that back in 2008 I backed a horse called “Comply or Die” in the Grand National as at the time I said it’s an EU diktat. Now “Comply or Die” is a way of life.
The horse won.
So basically the vaccines are useless and on top of that those who took up the vaccine offer now have years of uncertainty regarding this new vaccines impact on their overall well-being – who knows what damage these vaccines are doing to their bodies and what health scares we will see in the future linked to the vaccine?
Well those who took up the offer just so they can jet off to Mallorca for a couple weeks, I hope it was worth it.
Personally I’m glad I refused the jab from the start.
Even more stupid because you don’t have to be vaxxed to go to Mallorca. I went this summer unvaxxed.
Double the likelihood of infection, half the rate of death….. let’s see where that leads, let’s suppose we have a group of 1000 vaccinated & 1000 unvaccinated & 10% of the un-vaccinated get Covid, & they have a 10% fatality rate:
Un-vaccinated 10 infections, 1 death
Vaccinated 20 infections, 1 death
There you go, 2x the infection rate, 1/2 the death rate & you end up at the same place.
That however assumes that the unvaccinated had no prior natural immunity. If even half of the 1000 unvaccinated had already had and recovered from covid – highly likely at this point down the track – then those numbers would be different and even better on the unvaccinated side.
I think I need to disagree with you on that point. The figures used have to include natural immunity, as that is what is happening at a national level to cause the vaccinated to be now more susceptible to infection.
However, if this trend was to continue long term, more and more unvaccinated are going to get immunity. Especially at the rate the vaxxed are spreading it around.
These figures can only get worse for the vaccinated.
I don’t think the infection data is a surprise to anyone in the real world- all the people I know who have got Covid recently are double vaxxed.
But this issue about the vaccine hindering immune response is interesting and may explain why previously infected people who are now double vaxxed get Covid again- I know someone in that exact situation. One to watch.
Got it with symptoms?
Why are you calling me an invalid nonce ?
LOL