NHS Chief Stephen Powis Claims the “Overwhelming Majority” of Covid ICU Patients are Unvaccinated. But Is He Using Out-of-Date Data From July?

NHS England Medical Director Stephen Powis has claimed that the "overwhelming majority" of Covid ICU patients are unvaccinated. But is he 'doing a Pritchard' and using out-of-date data from July?

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Uh-oh. I’ve been ‘fact-checked’ again. This time by the oracles at a website called ‘Logically‘, which I can only assume was a name chosen ironically. The claim they are ‘fact-checking’ is “COVID-19 vaccines don’t work because most people in U.K. hospitals with the virus are vaccinated”, which is a bad start since it’s not a claim I make in the article in question, or indeed anywhere. In fact, in the article I state that on current data the vaccines appear to “protect people well against severe disease and death”, meaning the ‘fact check’ is aiming at a straw man that bears no relation to the piece.

Having stuffed her target full of straw, the author ‘Pallavi’ spends most of her ‘fact check’ wholly missing the target. Alleging that my article “fails to disclose all the details mentioned in the [UKHSA] report, thereby misrepresenting official data and promoting vaccine misinformation”, she points out that the UKHSA cautions against using the raw data to estimate vaccine effectiveness. Indeed it does, and in the article in question I do not use the raw data to estimate vaccine effectiveness. The article is not about vaccine effectiveness. It is responding to a claim in a Guardian article that “in hospital, COVID-19 has largely become a disease of the unvaccinated”. It is making the point that, according to official data, 71% of adult Covid hospital patients and 82% of Covid deaths in the month ending November 14th were in vaccinated people – which is indisputable, and the ‘fact check’ does not dispute it. The point was not to estimate vaccine effectiveness from these figures – to do that we’d need to take into account the proportions vaccinated and unvaccinated, at a minimum – but to counter the claim that “in hospital, COVID-19 has largely become a disease of the unvaccinated”.

In the course of supposedly refuting my errors the ‘fact check’ even quotes from “a recent report by the Official [sic] for National Statistics” which claims that “the age-adjusted risk of deaths involving COVID-19 between January and September 2021 was 32 times greater in unvaccinated people than fully vaccinated people”. This is the same ONS report that the U.K. Statistics Authority publicly criticised for being misleading in its use of statistics for making precisely that claim.

Pallavi writes that “the COVID-19 pandemic has given rise to a lot of potentially dangerous misinformation”, and, libellously, refers to the Daily Sceptic as “a website that often propagates COVID-19 misinformation”. Hmm, unlike Logically, which publishes ‘fact checks’ that attack straw men and cite discredited reports.

Meanwhile, the Sunday Times has added its authority to the Guardian‘s unsubstantiated claims about hospitals being deluged with unvaccinated Covid patients. It published an article today stating that intensive care beds are “filled with unvaccinated Covid patients”. The paper quotes Professor Stephen Powis, the National Medical Director of NHS England, saying: “Data shows that the overwhelming majority of people admitted to intensive care with Covid are not fully vaccinated. Since July one in four critical beds have been consistently occupied by a Covid patient, with the latest statistics available showing three quarters of them are unvaccinated.”

What “data” and “latest statistics” is Powis referring to? The Sunday Times article containing his quote doesn’t say, but if you click on the words “overwhelming majority” it takes you to another piece in today’s paper, this one by Dr. Rachel Clarke. The subhead of that article is “Some 75% of those suffocating in intensive care with the coronavirus are unvaccinated” and she repeats this claim in her piece, stating: “Of the Covid patients treated in intensive care in recent months, the majority – nearly 75% according to the latest data – have chosen not to be vaccinated.”

Earlier today, Toby asked Rachel Clarke on Twitter if she could point him towards the “data” she’s referring to and she replied by citing the latest ICNARC report.

Is this the data both she and Professor Powis are referring to or just Dr. Clarke? A similar tweet from Toby to Stephen Powis went unanswered, but it’s not unreasonable to assume they’re both citing the latest ICNARC report, not least because the latest one includes for the first time a breakdown of vaccinated and unvaccinated patients receiving critical care in English NHS hospitals. (Clarke refers to separate NHSE data showing the same thing, but I can’t find anything on the internet.)

Now there’s a slight problem with the ICNARC data Clarke cites, which is that it only covers the period May 1st to July 31st.

So is the data for May 1st to July 31st what Professor Powis means by “since July” and what Dr. Clarke means by “recent months”?

The problem with extrapolating from this ICNARC data to make sweeping statements about the current ratio of unvaccinated to vaccinated Covid patients in ICU – as the Sunday Times subhead does and Dr. Clarke does, and Professor Powis appears to – is that it stops before the Delta wave gets properly underway and before the surge in infections in the vaccinated over the summer, when the epidemic became dominated by vaccinated people.

If this is what’s going on, it’s reminiscent of the ‘sleight of hand’ by NHS England chief Amanda Pritchard earlier this month, when she claimed that: “We have had 14 times the number of people in hospital with COVID-19 than we saw this time last year.” It quickly turned out that by “this time last year” she was referring to August rather than October or November, and was widely ridiculed for such an obviously incorrect and scaremongering statement when Covid hospital admissions at the time were plainly lower than in autumn 2020. She never apologised and instead tried to make it look like she was misunderstood, which, if Powis’s latest intervention is of a similar kind, suggests there may be no intention in the upper echelons of the health service to communicate clearly and accurately about the current risks posed by the virus.

In fact, given the data from UKHSA over the autumn showing a higher proportion of Covid hospitalisations and deaths in the vaccinated (67% and 82% respectively in the week 46 report), it seems most unlikely that three quarters of Covid ICU patients in the same reporting period were unvaccinated. Why, though, do we not have data in the public domain more recent than July so we can see for ourselves rather than having to extrapolate and speculate? We have up-to-date data on hospitalisations and deaths by vaccination status, so why doesn’t the UKHSA add a column to its table for ICU admissions as well?

The biggest problem with Powis’s statement is not that it appears to be a misleading way of communicating statistics, but that it is being used against the unvaccinated in what seems to be a concerted effort to turn them into scapegoats and pariahs. “These are beds that would have historically been used to provide life-saving surgeries for the most seriously ill patients,” he says. This echoes the words of the anonymous medic in the Guardian last week: “If everyone got vaccinated, hospitals would be under much less pressure; this is beyond debate. Your wait for your clinic appointment/operation/diagnostic test/A&E department would be shorter. Your ambulance would arrive sooner. Reports of the pressure on the NHS are not exaggerated, I promise you. … Most of the resources that we are devoting to Covid in hospital are now being spent on the unvaccinated.”

This is an ugly and dangerous road. Not only is there currently no publicly available data to back up these assertions – at least, nothing more recent than July 31st – but even if there was it would be no excuse to demonise and delegitimise the minority who, for whatever reason, remain unvaccinated. Our health service chiefs, and the journalists who report on their comments, need to do better than this.

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Jo Dominich
Jo Dominich
4 years ago

Let’s get this ICU shit in context. 99 percent of patients in I CU are NOT vivid. Go back to what witless said at the start of this. Only 1 Oct of the population are likely to get higher level symptoms. Of that 1pct miniscule number will require oxygen and of that miniscule number an even more miniscule pctge will require intubation. 99 Oct of the patients in ICU are there due to massive strokes, heart attacks, rtas, severe internal trauma and other serious illnesses. In addition to this, I am now excessively amused by all the NHS surgeons, GPS, nurses etc who are threatening to leave their jobs now that vaccination is mandatory for them. Jarvis needs to stand firm with them. They are constantly bombarding the press with this crap about the unvaccinated and how the NHS us overwhelmed by staff being off sick with vivid so as to not to be able to meet alleged demand. Well, it makes perfect sense for all these surgeons, gp’s nurses, midwives to be vaccinated doesn’t it? They shout the loudest about the unvaxxed yet they remain so themselves. Javid needs to stand firm. They gave foisted this poison by coercion… Read more »

hadenoughcrap
hadenoughcrap
4 years ago

I watched a video of Canadian Professor Bridle 2 nights ago and he showed stats from the health authority for under 18s for the last 22 months. Out of just over 1.2 million under 18s there was ONE death and that was someone with comorbidities. So why do the young need to get ?vaccinated?

IanC
IanC
4 years ago

“Why, though, do we not have data in the public domain more recent than July so we can see for ourselves rather than having to extrapolate and speculate?”

I fear that when more recent information does become available from traditionally reliable sources it may no longer be reliable.

ebygum
ebygum
4 years ago

Not that I hold a grudge or anything, but this is the same Dr Clarke that made such a fuss over nothing that she got the brilliant Bob Moran sacked…to say I’d love to see her get her comeuppance doesn’t even come close.

TheJamFan
TheJamFan
4 years ago

It is very hard to see how the available figures allow for the majority of people in ICU to be unvaccinated (absent some appalling mismanagement, which I suppose we shouldn’t rule out).

The higher up the age bracket you go, the more people are vaccinated.

It is also true that under QALY triaging, more very old people will not get access to ICU because in a world of limited resources the cost isn’t worth it (even if their lives could be saved, which they probably couldn’t).

For that reason, consider the latest Surveillance data, from week 45 for weeks 42-44 (I think, it doesn’t really matter), but only consider younger age groups, where vaccination rates are still high but ICU certainly is appropriate.

In the 30-39 age group, a total of 40 people died, 25 unvaccinated, 10 vaccinated (I’ll ignore the small number of ‘unknowns’ and ‘one-doses’).

In the 40-49 age group, a total of 91 people died, 44 unvaccinated, 41 vaccinated.

In the 50-59 age group, 232 died, 102 unvaccinated, 116 vaccinated.

In the 60-69 age group, 548 died, 151 unvaccinated, 373 vaccinated.

That means that, between the ages of 30 and 69,… Read more »

maggie may
maggie may
4 years ago
Reply to  TheJamFan

Unless they died before they even reached ICU?

imp66
imp66
4 years ago

Do not trust these fork-tongued snakes!

kate
kate
4 years ago

You’ll be aware that one of our assiduous researchers noticed a short while ago that adverse events are not occurring randomly throughout the batches & lots of vaccines made by a given manufacturer.
Instead, it appears that just 5% of the batches / lots are associated with almost all the deaths.
Given the tight requirements of consistency associated with an authorised product, it’s absolutely impossible that this is a chance event.
No: this is I regret to say unequivocal evidence of malfeasance.

The new (to me) observations in this document are absolutely extraordinary & upsetting.

In brief, they’ve uncovered striking evidence of what’s called DOSE RANGE-FINDING for lethal outcomes.

There are 4-5 different sets of batches / lots of the Pfizer vaccine, deployed in the USA, which show this DRF effect.

Worse, there is a quiet period between each of the lethal batches, the purpose of which is clearly BASELINE ESTABLISHMENT.

Dr Mike Yeadon

https://rense.com/general96/toxic-01.pdf

maggie may
maggie may
4 years ago

Another interesting piece where he points out the curiosities surrounding ICU admissions and mortality numbers among the vaxx and unvaxx. In particular it seems that a lot of vaxxed folks are dying without ever being admitted to ICU which raises some interesting questions.

https://bartram.substack.com/p/strange-goings-on-in-uk-intensive?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjo0MTczMTc5NiwicG9zdF9pZCI6NDQ2OTQ0MzQsIl8iOiIzK1gwUCIsImlhdCI6MTYzODE4NDU5MSwiZXhwIjoxNjM4MTg4MTkxLCJpc3MiOiJwdWItNTY1MDQ2Iiwic3ViIjoicG9zdC1yZWFjdGlvbiJ9.HOkzizXGDrxgpZZ393ZUDdQw-gH89-jixchpGEU0WaI

kate
kate
4 years ago

Government “scientific” and “medical” officers are to medical-pharmaceutical dictatorships what generals were to military dictatorships.
You kind of wish the generals would say enough of this and transition countries back to human rights centred democracies and away from the tyranny of the central banking-digital-pharmaceutical industrial complex.
There is no doubt that the current political leaderships are committing treason by lying to the people in order to promote dictatorships which violate human rights and freedom.
This means that also the generals are being lied to on a daily basis. When will they say enough is enough? When will they join the Resistance to the daily lies coming from the politicians and the “health service” bosses?
https://t.me/s/robinmg

kate
kate
4 years ago
kate
kate
4 years ago

FACT CHECK – NHS Chief Stephen Powis & “Doctor Oxford” use 7-months-old Data to claim 75% of Covid-19 Patients in ICU are Unvaccinated

With 65% of hospitalisations and 80% of Covid-19 deaths being among the Vaccinated population over the past three months according to the most recent data (not 5 – 7 months old data), it turns out that over the weekend, the public were lied to once again by the very people they should be able to trust, after they were told by both palliative care doctor Rachel Clarke, and national medical director of NHS England Professor Stephen Powis, that 75% of those in intensive care with Covid-19 are people who have chosen not to be vaccinated.

https://dailyexpose.uk/2021/11/29/nhs-chief-and-doctor-oxford-lie-to-british-public/

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  kate

There you are TY/WJ – please get the “resign if I am wrong” response from Powis now?

Hester
Hester
4 years ago

Can we crowd fund a case against the Guardian for printing misinformation? can’ the press ombudsman or whatever be contacted and the Guardian made to correct the story? I note the Times ran a similar story. Surely if Toby pulled something together we could raise the money to take them on. These lies have to stop

George Morris
George Morris
4 years ago

Well done Toby – strong without being shrill. These public employees who can’t read a graph, or even the date on a graph, who use data that is months old who are supposed to be monitoring the situation and are not need holding to account.

RTSC
RTSC
4 years ago

These days, when I see the claim “Fact Checker” I automatically assume that they’re acting on behalf of the liars pushing the Covid and “vaccine” narrative.

I think I love Will Jones for challenging their lies so effectively. Sadly, since I’m probably old enough to be his mother, it will have to be motherly love 🙂

DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
4 years ago

A senior NHS talking head using distorted data? Wow, what a surprise. Max Headroom would be more believable

Beowa
Beowa
4 years ago

More Covid Derangement Syndrome which I suspect is fostered by brown envelopes from Uncle Bill after all he gave over 300 million to media companies and his connections to Jeffrey Epstein seem to have been swept under the carpet

Jack Daw
Jack Daw
4 years ago

The levels to which those that are meant to serve us use propaganda and lies to subjugate us is a disgrace. Unfortunately,after so much time and so many lies many of the public continue to believe them.
The public must share some of the blame for being lazy and unquestioning.

Beefbeefbeef
Beefbeefbeef
4 years ago

I expect the “overwhelming majority” of people who have heart disease are overweight and unfit but, rightly of wrongly, we just accept that as their freedom of choice even though we all pay for it. It’s (supposed to be) a free country.

Stephensceptic
Stephensceptic
4 years ago

The attacks on heretics from The Narrative will intensify.

The reason is that nothing is fixing this mess. Government and their equally useless advisers have got pretty everything wrong throughout this debacle. Lock downs do not work, masks are a waste of time and we now see that vaccines are not the panacea either.

They cannot possibly reflect on their errors and give up. Just like in a war they have no option but to carry on. Hence the weird injunction to have boosters while in the same breath saying that the new variant evades vaccines. They must have something to blame for continued failure and to keep goading the population to comply with their nonsense. Blaming heretics is a common approach in war. Think of the typical fear in war of Fifth Columnists. We my friends who read this blog are the Fifth Columnists in this war.

My other thought is that illogicality is a classic feature of Totalitarianism: the idea is precisely to stop us thinking so that we just obey. Zero questioning. Do as you are told. We know better. And all totalitarianism regimes say that the justification is to protect people from some threat.… Read more »

marebobowl
marebobowl
4 years ago

I have only been away from this hellhole for two weeks and enjoying getting sunny Florida, which is prospering due to the wisdom of this state’s Governor and his surgeon general. I do not intend to ever take the koolaid, nor wear a mask. Neither one makes any sense. Please do your homework. The adverse events of these vaccines are both serious and deadly. Cdc VAERS. Read Steve Kirsch on sub stack. Stop reading or listening to MSM. Stand up for your children.

hadenoughcrap
hadenoughcrap
4 years ago
Reply to  marebobowl

Yes Mr DeSantis actually reads all the scientific papers and talks to medical and scientific experts. We could do with few thousand clones of him in Goverments in the UK, Europe Canada Australia and NZ and Doesn’t Florida have the biggest %age of elderly in the USA.

godders
godders
4 years ago

How about doing some digging into this recent addition to the parasitic fact- checking industry before bothering to take them seriously? In my experience many of these outfits are dubiously-motivated shoe-string operations funded by vested interest groups and run by amateurs I wouldn’t trust to fact-check a gas meter. Some useful insights into the genre here:
https://www.corbettreport.com/who-will-fact-check-the-fact-checkers/

Trish
Trish
4 years ago

A very useful analysis by the brilliant “John Dee” entitled “My ICU is Full of Unvaccinated People” https://drive.google.com/file/d/1laTQikCjfabE5IUZ-1bmJj2YGlkctp04/view?fbclid=IwAR3Akl8QiNAGtdHJIiCKlHvO56twR1ZROlV561UB76amhWWclTXqCQDicqE

Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago

You know, I really would like to know what game these people are playing, repeatedly quoting irrelevant data from January.
Oh, and Times muppets.

RickH
RickH
4 years ago

Indeed – the floating turd situation (the windiest floaters getting to the top) has got dangerous, with utter lying fakes like Powis and Pritchard being given license outside an padded cell.

Apart from anything else – the alleged numbers of sufferers from severe Covid in ICUs in this non-epidemic simply don’t stack up.

Next question – what are the conflicts of interest in the backgrounds of these people?

LonePatriot
LonePatriot
4 years ago

The ongoing COVID-19 nonsense here in the United States exists solely and exclusively because our governments have failed to use the correct treatment. They used so-called “vaccines” when Japan has just proven, in less than ONE MONTH, that Ivermectin can wipe out the disease. IVM was awarded the Nobel prize for medicine in 2015. One of the 3 most important drugs in human history: Aspirin, Penicillin, and Ivermectin. Get your Ivermectin today while you still can! https://ivmpharmacy.com

I am Spartacas
I am Spartacas
4 years ago

So is this what their plan now? To blame all the heart problems and cardiac arrests we are staring to see emerge due to the vaccines on the new variant?

Screenshot 2021-11-28 at 22-05-58 Totally Fake 'President' James Delingpole ( JamesDelingpole) Twitter.png
Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  I am Spartacas

Back to mandatory masks… children masked… they are revving it up in the expectation that the cold weather will soon see more old people in hospital dying “with” Covid, probably caught there. BBC News will show bodies loaded into morgues. And then working from home Plan B.
The only surprise is the they didn’t find a scariant for autumn half term. The prolonged mild weather has been a problem for them.
Loo rolls all stacked up – must join the country in binge buying pasta next.

Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

Second jabs for children have to be justified too.

Dr Y
Dr Y
4 years ago

The hospitals in Leicester have downgraded their covid response from level 3 to level 2.
They are no longer needing to use the extra ITU capacity and numbers in hospital with covid are falling (both coincidental diagnoses and those who are ill with the respiratory issues classically associated with covid-19 with a positive pcr test).
There is a full mix of vaccinated and unvaccinated patients (about 50/50 a couple of weeks ago – I don’t have up to date figures).
Certainly everybody I know in real life who have had covid-19 in the last couple of months are double and triple jabbed.
Those of us who are unjabbed all had it much longer ago and are wandering unscathed completely confused about what all the carry on is about.

TC
TC
4 years ago
Reply to  Dr Y

Thank you.

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  Dr Y

TOH works in a “Leicester Hospital” – she comes home, daily, recounting the degree to which they are “under pressure” – she means that the management are SAYING they are under pressure – it is Winter after all; it is also the case that her clinical colleagues (she is not clinical) are”broken”, exhausted and worn out after nearly two years of this Government supported panic and the inadequate management response.

What is NOT getting any coverage is the extent to which Hospitals are still affected by CV isolating staff following “positive tests” – data for the % of clinical specialists across all departments would be illuminating – and data for exactly how many medics have left since say November 2019, each month, how many have come back “part time’ ( a feature of their built up final salary pensions too complex to go into here ) how many replacements have been appointed, what percentage of the “hours” of the medics who have left/returned remain unfilled.

Then , data for the extent to which A&E and other departments have been patronised since SARS COV2 month by month; ideally that data would be cross referenced to the GP’s of the patients admitted… Read more »

helenf
helenf
4 years ago

ICNARC have no excuse for not including vaccination status in their “patient characteristics”. It’s absurd to think they don’t have that data, and the fact they don’t include it in their weekly reports is deeply suspect.
They also have an interesting definition of “unvaccinated”: “either no linked vaccination record in NIMS or first dose of vaccine received within 14 days prior to the positive COVID-19 test”. The possibility that having the vaccination may have led to testing positive, developing severe illness and then being admitted to ICU is not an issue, apparently. What a fit up!

MrTea
MrTea
4 years ago

It is all very simple, there are new rules that have retrospectively nullified the old ones, think 1984 memory hole.

You are now fully vaccinated two weeks after your third vaccine.
So if you die of an adverse event or end up in hospital with covid after your first, second or third jab (unless two clear weeks have elapsed after the third) then you died unvaccinated.

So in reality all those that have died over the last year died unvaccinated which proves the vaccines are safe and effective.

Hester
Hester
4 years ago

When so many lies are being told what can be believed. What are they getting for this?I hope they think its worth it. May they live in misery in return for the misery they have caused

mishmash
mishmash
4 years ago
Reply to  Hester

An awakening among the public is going to happen regardless of what they do. The true architects remain in the shadows, their puppets on display are desperate because they have committed to an agenda they know is going to fail.
2022 is going to be rough as hell, but just keep holding the line and humanity will get through this.

TC
TC
4 years ago
Reply to  mishmash

Tend to agree.
Stand firm,everyone.

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