An article appeared in the Guardian this week written by an anonymous NHS respiratory consultant claiming that “in hospital, COVID-19 has largely become a disease of the unvaccinated”.
Of course, there are people who have their vaccinations but still get sick. These people may be elderly or frail, or have underlying health problems. Those with illnesses affecting the immune system, particularly patients who have had chemotherapy for blood cancers, are especially vulnerable. Some unlucky healthy people will also end up on our general wards with Covid after being vaccinated, usually needing a modest amount of oxygen for a few days.
But the story is different on our intensive care unit. Here, the patient population consists of a few vulnerable people with severe underlying health problems and a majority of fit, healthy, younger people unvaccinated by choice. … If everyone got vaccinated, hospitals would be under much less pressure; this is beyond debate. Your wait for your clinic appointment/operation/diagnostic test/A&E department would be shorter. Your ambulance would arrive sooner. Reports of the pressure on the NHS are not exaggerated, I promise you. … Most of the resources that we are devoting to Covid in hospital are now being spent on the unvaccinated.
This reads to me like a blatant attempt to stigmatise the unvaccinated as selfish, a burden on society and a threat to the vaccinated. (The clue is in the headline: “ICU is full of the unvaccinated – my patience with them is wearing thin.”) Given the polling (which may not be very reliable of course) showing that 45% of U.K. adults would support an indefinite lockdown of the unvaccinated, this is all starting to look and sound rather ugly.
The most frustrating thing about this anonymously written article is it doesn’t cite any data even though its arguments are based on claims which only data can validate. It consists instead only of a single medic’s subjective impressions, with no sources provided to see if his claims holds water.
Are the hospitalised mostly unvaccinated? Not according to Government data from the UKHSA. Here is the breakdown of hospitalisations by vaccination status in England for the four weeks up to November 14th from the latest Vaccine Surveillance report.
Adding these figures up we find that 3,200 of 9,831 or 33% of Covid hospitalisations are of unvaccinated people, leaving 67% of Covid hospital patients in the vaccinated category, most of them with two doses. Focusing just on adults, we find 2,692 of 9,278 or 29% of Covid hospitalisations are unvaccinated, leaving 71% vaccinated. Seeing as just 68% of the U.K. population is double vaccinated, 67% of Covid hospital patients having received at least one dose hardly seems like a strong result. Indeed, it suggests the unvaccinated are barely over-represented in hospitals at all.
What about Covid deaths – are the unvaccinated over-represented there? Here’s the table from the same report.
Adding them up we find that 675 of 3,676 or 18% of Covid deaths in the month up to November 14th are in unvaccinated people, leaving 82% in the vaccinated, most with two doses. Only in the under-40s do deaths in the unvaccinated outnumber those in the vaccinated.
It’s hard to square this data with the picture painted by the anonymous medic. Far from COVID-19 having “largely become a disease of the unvaccinated”, with most Covid hospital resources “now being spent on the unvaccinated”, a large majority of hospitalisations and deaths are occurring in the vaccinated, not the unvaccinated.
But what about ICU admissions? And is it true that the vaccinated-sick all have underlying health issues whereas the unvaccinated-sick are all healthy?
The problem with addressing these claims is that we don’t have the data to check them out. The data on ICU admissions by vaccination status has not been updated since July as far as I can see (if you are aware of a more recent update do let me know), and I am not aware of any data on co-morbidities (again, if you are aware of any please drop me a line).
The anonymous writer states: “I can’t think of a single case offhand of a person who was previously fit and healthy who has ended up needing intensive care after being fully vaccinated. It may not stop you from catching Covid. But it can save your life when you do.” But again, this is anecdotal and therefore not terribly helpful.
It’s fair to note that much data does appear to show that the vaccines protect people well against severe disease and death, at least for several months, though some recent analysis has questioned whether such efficacy has been overestimated.
But however well the vaccines protect against severe disease, that is no excuse for turning the unvaccinated into pariahs or scapegoats and blaming them for the strains on the health service. Such moralised blaming of a minority for supposedly disadvantaging the majority (‘Can’t get a doctor’s appointment? Surgery been cancelled again? The unvaccinated are to blame!’) has a very ugly history and rarely ends well. It’s particularly odd to see this scapegoating in a supposedly liberal newspaper. It needs to stop now.
Stop Press: Jamie Jenkins, known as @statsjamie on Twitter, has done a fact check on this article and come to broadly the same conclusion.
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Does anybody actually read the Guardian??
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Stop reading or listening to mainstream media. It is simple, does not cost a Penny. And don’t go back until msm is ready to report with integrity and honesty. There are so many alternatives, we are spoiled for choice. Steve Kirsch, The Hart Group, FLCCC, The Defender, The Highwire, and hundreds and hundreds of scientists, doctors, data analysts all willing to share their findings with the public, in a honest manner.
Then again, I suppose that now all the double jabbed could easily be classified as unjabbed if they haven’t had their boosters…The wards will very likely be filling up with “unjabbed”.
What the Actual Fuxx?
Can someone, preferably a Monomaniacal Clotshot Clown explain this (see image)? How can these bastards get away with outright blatant bloody lies for so long without anyone pulling them up?
Recent (Nov 5th, 2021) FOIA shows what the reality is.
And before you come back with the old bollix about the absence of evidence not being evidence of absence you’ve got to ask yourself; in such desperately serious circumstances, unprecedented in human history, why is there NOTHING available?
The Bill Gates-subsidised Grauniad is a disgrace to the journalistic profession I belonged to for 45 years, thankfully before the Fourth Estate morphed from public watchdog into Establishment lapdog.
My guess is that the anonymous “doctor” is probably some semi-literate 77th Brigade squaddie who wouldn’t know one end of a stethoscope from the other. This secretive arm of the UK military, has “several units” dedicated to psychological warfare and went on a recruiting spree for “soldiers with journalism skills and familiarity with social media” in the run-up to the pandemic psyop.
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/secretive-77th-brigade/
This consultant made the Hippocratic Oath, so to say “my patience with them is wearing thin” betrays that and should be sanctioned. This is not going down the ‘sack him’ line, as we need our health professionals, but he needs to understand that his professionalism includes not making such judgements, especially as he knows full well that any medical intervention is the individuals choice, which must be respected. He is there to treat, not judge.
Can anyone explain to me why table 5b on p22 of the Vaccine Surveillance Report appears to completely contradict the previous two tables? What’s going on here?
Is there any credible data anywhere in the world which shows how many non jabbed recovered from covid have –
Been infected again,
Been hospitalised because ill with it,
Been in ICU because of it,
Died.- because of it.
And I mean positive PCR but with clinical signs.
I suspect from the many articles showing the superiority of natural immunity ( shock ) that the numbers would be staggeringly low.
Perhaps the anonymous consultant, if he/she exists, should perhaps ponder the above before making inflammatory statements which can only be designed to promote compulsory jabbing.
And if that comes to be the NHS will have a hell of a lot of A and E admissions….
Billy boy Gates & his lap dogs are getting great value from guardian for his donations
Double standards yet again. Every single word challenging the narrative is fact checked, scrutinised and declared false. Articles such as this, and the interview with a particularly nasty GP spouting total nonsense should simply not be allowed to stand. Whilst JHB did challenge some of his assumptions, the rest can be debunked by data and he should be brought back on to defend his original statements.
Letter in DT yesterday from a named Consultant Anaesthetist saying pretty much the same things.
I am not a believer in coincidences unless they are truly random; a stitch up , very possibly?
At least we know where he works so can look at the released statistics and put in FOIs. They must have accurate stats for ICU admissions; that they aren’t releasing them speaks volumes as usual. If they shed positive light on the vaxes they would be headline news, rather than being grubby, unreferenced, anonymous articles.
“At least we know where he works“
Hmmmm!
Would you be able to tell me the name of the Anaesthetist? There was one about a year ago who was being widely quoted on the BBC and in the MSM about the pressures the health service was under. I suspected then that he was a paid shill. May not be the same bloke. His name escapes me, but I would recognise it if I saw it again.
Just found the name I was looking for – Dr Indeewar Kapila. Not him by any chance?
Ddd,
Letter 23rd November 2021 , DT Letters: verbatim, O&OE, sic:
“Sir, Intensive care units are filling up with Covid patients, mostly young and unvaccinated. They spend more time in these units, thus blocking beds. Consequently operations for elective surgical patients needing intensive care beds post-op are sadly getting postponed.
The NHS has become a free insurance policy for the unvaccinated in case they get Covid. It is time to take that free insurance away.
The unvaccinated, unless exempted, should be asked to pay towards care inn the NHS if they come in for Covid-related treatment. The money should be deducted from their benefits, salary or university maintenance grant.
The public has a right to treatment in the NHS and cannot be held hostage by those who choose not to be vaccinated.
Dr Dipankar Bose,
Consultant anaesthetist
Warwick Hospital”
I can just see some folks spluttering over their tea and cakes when they read this.
I am always wary of committing to the internet what I think and reign myself in perpetually – not something he is afflicted with or conflicted by. This guy must have a private income because I don’t see many sentient people wishing him to… Read more »
The obsession with the acceptance of a novel mRNA vaccine as a determinant of health is bizarre. The issue is if an individual when in contact with the SARS-CoV-2 virus presents a serious and avoidable morbidity/mortality to themselves and a transmission risk to others. It is the complex antibody response which is important. The suggestion of vaccination eg in a 12 year old who has had covid (shadow education secretary TalkRADIO) is dangerous.
In response to the claims of over-run ICU units with young, otherwise fit but unvaccinated people I thought I’d look at the subsequent deaths.
The table below shows weekly deaths of people without ‘pre-condition’ from the 1st week of Sept.
There have been 18 deaths in the 20-39 age group. Interestingly, 13 were in Sept & 5 in Oct.
Again, make of it what you will but as always, when you look at the data it gives you a bit of context
I noticed that the anonymous Guardian writer was talking about the new £2000 treatment they use for patients: Ronapreve made up of Casirivimab and Imdevimab.
The c19early.com site shows this drug as giving 74% “imrovement” in all studies combined and priced at $2100. By contrast Ivermectin gives 67% “improvement” and is priced at $1. In early treatment studies the “improvement” is 68% and 67% for the two drugs. Comparing $2100 with $1 it is staggering just how much money the NHS sprays around.
Can we not forget that of the unjabbed, many are now in hospital due the shedding occurring from the injected. I have a large number of extremely healthy friends whose families having been injected and suffered serious side effects, are now themselves very ill.
It has taken some of my unjabbed friends nearly two months to regain their strength and rejoin the world. The symptoms seem to mirror the jabbed with extreme fatigue, shivering, bad metallic taste in mouth, blurred vision, unable to make decisions (even to decide whether they need the loo or not), and much dizziness. However, no sweating or high temperature, no aching limbs etc.
Many believe this injection is a bio weapon due to the shedding and the highly unusual effects it causes. None have gone into hospital that I know of because of their fear of being killed off. The biggest problem was dehydration due the lack of energy to drink. I spent a whole morning squeezing water from a clean cloth onto my friend’s lips whilst her husband went to do some shopping. I think it’s time we stopped reporting the obvious propaganda and started to research this phenomenon of shedding. I… Read more »
This isn’t an article to persuade or make a clear case. It isn’t even an article that is referenced.
Because this is seed planting and nothing more.
Prepare for us to follow in the steps of Europe.
Tyranny starts going vertical from here!
I was reading the other day that Covid will never truly be eliminated because of all the animal reservoirs and that it infects everything from “cats, dogs, bank voles, ferrets, fruit bats, hamsters, mink, pigs, rabbits, tree shrews, and even goats.”
Then I thought to myself about those goats and maybe we could round them up and vaccinate them or wouldn’t it be better if we all went back to those olden days where everyone in our communities came together and found a goat and we went to the edges of our towns and cities and said a few words to the poor little thing and we put all of our anxieties and our stress and our frustration all on this goat and we put a little mobile phone around its neck and a contract tracing app and we just set it free into the woods and we all had the app on our phones so we knew it was safe and it would never come back or we’d freak out again. But everything would be somehow alleviated through this collective action as long as everything was put on the goats and they were cast out of our collective psyche.
… Read more »
What is it that The Guardian guards? It’s clearly not the truth.
Hospitals in USA and in first world countries are refusing life-saving Ivermectin treatment even with court orders. Big Pharma doing everything they can to jab us no matter what, while alternative COVID cures EXIST! There happens to be heavy censorship who are looking for these treatments. The Research Is Clear: Ivermectin Is a Safe, Effective Treatment for COVID. Get your Ivermectin today while you still can! https://ivmpharmacy.com
The Guardian is to the self-appointed ‘thinking classes’ what The Daily Sport was to serious investigative journalism officinados.
Its the “worlds leading liberal voice.”
no, really. Their editorial today on vaccine passports and protests isn’t very liberal though…..
Krankie has all but admitted the vaccines don’t work by getting rid of vaccine passports and replacing them with testing passports. Still stupid but a clear admission that even fishhead can see vaccines don’t stop infections or transmission and, indeed, it looks like they make both worse.
Hospitals are lethal places for infections (the best advice is to stay well away from them, if possible. If you need treatment, get it, then hot foot out quickly).
Some of the worst infections are :
MRSA
CDIF
CLABSI
CAUTI
SSI
VAP
HAP
COVID
UT
GASTRO
PF
The upshot is if you go into hospital you will have a very good chance of catching Covid, this is a known fact.
There was a very nice recent preprint comparing an exposed Petri dish in an NHS ward for a week with a similar dish exposed the next week. The trick was in week 2 that a decent UV/ioniser stand-alone air filter had been switched on for week 2.
week 1 generated your above list of micro-organisms, growing merrily.
in week 2, everything except one bug was gone from the air, zapped. That last remaining pathogen was the fungus candida, seemingly indestructible in NHS wards….
everything else just costs a bit of outlay, planning & maintenance, if you’d like a clean, covid free environment.
There’s something seriously fishy about this article (in the Guardian) as – minus the unpleasant attitude towards patients – there’s no reason why an NHS consultant could get into to trouble at work by reporting this if it was true. That’s not secret and scandalous insider information the powers who are would rather hide from the public to avoid endangering themselves. It’s a Bang on the narrative Corona story everybody interested in this narrative would welcome if it was true.
Hence, the only conceivable reason why this anonymous source is hiding his name is because he’d get himself in trouble otherwise as the story is not true.
A couple of phrases in the quoted article make me suspicious that it was written by a political activist rather than an actual ICU doctor (“…, I promise you”), and a quick scan down the comments shows many others think the same. Like the virus origin, perhaps we’ll never know.
So just out of interest, supposing a hypothetical reputable paper did publish an article which included assertions of fact (as opposed to legitimate but arguable personal opinions) on the basis of personal authority which later proved to be fictitious, what sanctions could be taken by Ofcom or any other body against the publisher?
I’m distinguishing here between an invented anonymous source who says (eg) “as an ICU doctor, I think everyone should get vaccinated” and one who says (eg) “as an ICU doctor, I can tell you my unit is currently full of the unvaccinated”.
Anyone know?
Excellent rebuttal (as usual) that actually uses data, which journalists and scientists and health care workers are supposed to do.
Regarding hospitalizations and deaths in the under-40 cohort, I strongly suspect most of these patients are in the hospital “with” COVID and not “from” or because of COVID.
In the 0 to 18 category, it would be good to know the numbers for the “0 to 1 (infant)” category. Per my research, 25 percent of children who have died from or with COVID in the U.S. occurred among infants, who of course have much more severe, life-threatening medical conditions than children who have already reached their first birthday.
Children deaths are greatly inflated by the deaths in the infant category (and many of these cases are probably pre-mature births). Few experts are arguing for vaccination of infants, although I’m sure this is coming.
I think we’ve won.
No doubt there will be sad and pathetic attempts to discredit the trial but a paper in the peer-reviewed and highly regarded ‘Circulation’ has concluded thus:
`We conclude that the mRNA vacs dramatically increase inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle and may account for the observations of increased thrombosis, cardiomyopathy and other vascular events following vaccination.’
The suggestion is that it takes 2.5 months to clear from the body.
It would therefore be criminal to proceed unchecked with MRNA vaccinations.
So as long as the news is spread far and wide and swiftly we have, at least for some years, won this battle.
Have you a link please.
On Robert Malone’s twitter feed.
Thank you. I don’t descend into the sewer I am afraid.
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712
Anonymous evidence is inadmissable in a court of law because there can be no cross examination. It also violates your right to face your accuser.
This article is written by ‘anonymous’ and in my view shouldn’t be allowed for the same reasons. If they believe in what they write then why don’t they stand by it?
They’re afraid of the Wrath of the Vaxless.
Have to be careful following that line as many professionals who oppose the narrative, including our own Mike Hearn, have had to publish in anonymity.
The first table referred to relates to infection rates, not hospitalisation rates. You need to look at a few tables together to get the accurate hospitalisation rates by vaccination status, starting with table 6 on page 23 of the report, reading the accompanying text specifically on page 17. It clearly states as a conclusion of the data “The rate of hospitalisation within 28 days of a positive covid-19 test increases with age and is substantially greater in unvaccinated individuals compared to vaccinated individuals”. Same thing about deaths. Please read the report in full and to understand before spreading misinformation.
Who counts as “unvaccinated”? People who have never been vaccinated? People who have had only one vaccination? People who have had one or two vaccinations but the most recent one was less than 14 days ago? People who have had two vaccinations but no booster?
Two confounders for you, one, the vaccination status of the patient could influence decisions made at triage. Two, the entire apparatus of the state and the media has been promulgating, as fact, that the vaccines prevent serious illness which means those who have been vaccinated are much less likely to go to hospital in the first place.
If this was true, which it very, very obviously is not, then why is the author anonymous? If it was genuine then surely the top honcho would make a statement. There have been no official statements though. Why are certain parties so desperate to get us all to take untested, extremely dangerous, drugs?