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Welsh Government Pushing Ahead with Vaccine Passports despite Compromised Vote

by Michael Curzon
6 October 2021 5:17 PM

Democracy is very much not in action in Wales, where the Labour Government has rejected calls for another vote on the introduction of vaccine passport checks at nightclubs and other ‘large’ venues after a Tory MS (opposed to the plans) was unable to vote because of a Zoom error. Had his vote been counted, the scheme would not have been able to pass through the Senedd.

First Minister Mark Drakeford has dismissed concerns regarding liberty, describing vaccine passports as nothing other than a “simple measure which will help to keep people safe from coronavirus”. The Guardian has the story.

The Conservative member Gareth Davies was trying to vote remotely against the scheme but failed to connect to the debating chamber in Cardiff via Zoom, allowing the Labour-led Government to win the vote 28-27.

Representatives of clubs and bars are calling for the vote to be re-run but the Government said the new law, which will make holding a Covid pass compulsory for people to get into venues including nightclubs and major sporting events, would come into force.

The Welsh First Minister, Mark Drakeford, said the vote was an “extraordinary” moment, but added: “The way the vote is conducted is not for the government, that is for the parliament. It is members’ responsibilities to make sure they are in the chamber or on Zoom.”

Speaking to the BBC, he said: “What was really extraordinary was the fact that opposition parties were not prepared to support this simple measure which will help to keep people safe from coronavirus.”

The Welsh Government says the measure, due to come into force on Monday, is needed because of rising Covid rates, especially among young people. …

None of the opposition parties have said they feel the vote ought to be re-run.

Worth reading in full.

Tags: VaccineVaccine PassportsWales

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peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago

In the UK, ultimately this lies at the feet of the PM and his inner cabinet of 3. They set SAGE and its sub-groups in motion, and now use that structure to hide behind ‘the science’ to justify all their outrageous policies.
However I doubt it has its roots just in the UK. I strongly suspect there has been a great deal of collusion between the ‘five-eyes’ countries. But this is just the implementation arm of the GlobCap block seeing the opportunity to influence events in support of their disruptive aims to engineer biosecurity and ‘climate emergency’ fascist totalitarianism across the angosphere and much of europe.
What chance do the brave individual scientists who speak out against this tyranny? The ‘health’ scientists are now experiencing the same threats endured by physicists . metereologists, engineers etc who speak out against the warping of the real scientific method by the ‘climate heating’ mob.
GlobCap see $trillions to be made by furthering a new resource contrained capitalism on the world. Disruption for them is good. The tragedy is that instead of computers and the internet helping humans share and develop knowledge, those same tools are now indispensable to the people shaping this dysopia.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago

After 30-40 years of infiltration by the Frankfurt School everyone in academia/medicine/science knows to keep their heads down if they wish to retain their funding, job or career.

The next step requires individuals to denounce peers and colleagues for being insufficiently zealous in their promotion of the preferred ‘The Science’.

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DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Memories of Chairman Mao and his little red book!! Who would have thought it of an organisation where the guiding principle is ‘First, do no harm’? Anybody who doesn’t put doctors and academics on pedestals.

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Old Bill
Old Bill
4 years ago

Fantastic article. Well done Lucy Johnston, well done Michael Curzon, Well done the Express, and well done Toby for posting it.

I hope it will mark a turning point, but I have become such an entrenched pessimist in the last 12 months that I have my doubts.

Last edited 4 years ago by Old Bill
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Chris Williams
Chris Williams
4 years ago

The UGLY truth about the Covid-19 lockdowns – Nick Hudson, co-founder of PANDA, demolishes the whole narrative. 26 March 2021.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80Vz7tZLuBI

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CGL
CGL
4 years ago
Reply to  Chris Williams

That vid is brilliant – watched it this morning

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monica coyle
monica coyle
4 years ago
Reply to  Chris Williams

It really is brilliant. So sick of the lies! I love these champions of the truth. Strongly recommend watching and sharing it as it succinct and full of logical reason. (Reason is still out there somewhere). Love it!

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Sarah N
Sarah N
4 years ago
Reply to  Chris Williams

I have it on my watch list for later 🙂

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DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
4 years ago
Reply to  Chris Williams

Better than brilliant. Johnson should be nailed to the wall of the cabinet office and made to watch it. He should then be asked if he understands it then his 2 evil undelings, Gove and Hancock(who are nailed to the floor), should be asked why they are accepting all the garbage spewed out by SAGE

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Glynthepin
Glynthepin
4 years ago
Reply to  Chris Williams

Thanks for the link. A must watch that I will share.

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Mike Yeadon
Mike Yeadon
4 years ago
Reply to  Chris Williams

It comes as a surprise to those who’ve done their best to comply to realise that every one of the main dimensions of this event is untrue. No prior immunity, everyone susceptible. Asymptomatic transmission. Masks. Lockdown. PCR testing. ‘Vaccines’. Variants & immune escape. Top-up vaccines.
The entire thing is a racket run by totalitarian lunatics, who sincerely believe that the planet will be a lot better off for them & their descendants if you’re not on it.

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realarthurdent
realarthurdent
4 years ago

Who exactly established this climate of fear?
I would suggest it has been the government itself, via the propaganda unit run out of the Cabinet Office, with a great deal of help from the media and Big Tech, thanks to the government’s determination to use Ofcom to prevent the media from questioning any aspect of government policy.

We taxpayers are paying our own money to have our own government wage an information war against us.

Does that make you angry?

I am absolutely livid.

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Old Bill
Old Bill
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

I’ll see your ‘livid’ and raise you an ‘incensed’.

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realarthurdent
realarthurdent
4 years ago
Reply to  Old Bill

I can picture your puce face in my mind’s eye.

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OnceIWasARemainer
OnceIWasARemainer
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

The question becoems how to stop paying taxes. We sceptics deserve a state of our own, there is no excuse for paying for one we don’t consent to living under, we need to work out how to deprive them of the money they are snatching.

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Mike Yeadon
Mike Yeadon
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

Exactly this. At first I ascribed all the stupidity & later the malevolence to SAGE. I now believe it’s directed by a handful of characters in Whitehall & their small subset of SAGE coconspirators. Taking a further step back & it’s clear that it wasn’t China who cooked this up, but the US & U.K.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago

It’s known as ‘fascism’.

The interesting thing is that it is the scientists supporting the government narrative who are guilty – I don’t know of any of the better scientists quoted above who have indulged in the same ad hominem behaviour.

… and that places the truth of the case where it belongs. Only weak scientists with conflicting interests will subvert proper evidence and debate. Only those with no evidence or case will indulge in such tactics.

I rest our case.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

P.S. : It all has little to do with the Frankfurt School or the debates over climate change.

Riding hobby horses just dilutes analysis.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

It’s the ingrained mindset.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

No it’s not. It’s just another bit of recondite (and pretty tedious) philosophy amongst many.

I always shave with an Occam … and there are much more parsimonious explanations. The Frankfurt School stuff wouldn’t register as a factor in these minds at all – not even indirectly, which is what you are, I think, imagining.

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peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

There are no ‘debates’ over climate change. Exactly the same techniques are used as they have with covid. Computer models which over 25 years have never even come close to outcome, yet are used as ‘facts/data’ ignoring reality. And all opposition to these views are supressed, the terms ‘denier’ etc are used in the same sort of psyop. Exactly the same forces are behind it as are behind the covid scam.
‘Critical Theory’ teaches that science, like other forms of knowledge, has been used as an instrument of oppression, they caution against a blind faith in scientific progress, arguing that scientific knowledge must not be pursued as an end in itself without reference to the goal of human emancipation.
So you are dead wrong with your PS.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

“Exactly the same techniques are used as they have with covid”

You haven’t been paying attention if you think that – beyond the fact that it has become a dominant paradigm. But that doesn’t make it ‘the same’ or using the same ‘forces’ and the same ‘psyop’. The data, history and emergence is very different, and much more complex (the Covid myths can be easily taken apart with simple spreadsheets).

As to ‘Critical Theory’ as a major issue – it’s observably not the case that it is, although it is one of the outcomes of a recognition of the social/ideological components of knowledge.

As said – distracting hobby-horses, not useful relationships; just ammunition for the ‘conspiracy theory’ attacks.

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peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

sophomaniac

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J4mes
J4mes
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

I rest our case.

Please, Rick, when giving your own individual opinion, don’t dress it up as if you speak for everyone.

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Jason Salvesen
Jason Salvesen
4 years ago

I’m sorry but these people that sit by and watch what is happening and don’t speak out should hang their heads in shame. This country and its people are being destroyed by this madness and anyone who thinks their job is more important than that, I don’t know what to say…. ‘Evil only happens when good people do nothing’

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago

Off topic, Daily Mail reports on Police in Barnsley failing to contain a Kill The Bill protest.

A viewer reports otherwise

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

The Daily Mail alarmist headline.

Another viewer suggested it was like a massive game of ‘tag’ and asked if anyone can join in, I know I would !

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Fiona Walker
Fiona Walker
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

This was originally a wholly anti-lockdown protest, I live in West Yorkshire and followed its organisation and development on Telegram. Yes a few KtB folk were there, as you’d expect, but that wasn’t its main purpose.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Fiona Walker

Thanks for the confirmation Fiona.

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BJs Brain is Missing
BJs Brain is Missing
4 years ago

I’m afraid the United Kingdom is not a nice place to live these days. The UK Government has deliberately embarked upon a programme of terror, fear and intimidation, against its own citizens. Why else would the SAGE committee have behavioural ‘scientists’ among its ranks, and a revolutionary member of the British Communist Party.

But the buck stops with Johnson, Hancock, Whitty, Vallance and Ferguson. Each and every one of them needs to be held accountable for what they have done. Describing their actions as ‘Crimes Against Humanity’ is not too strong when summing up their deeds.

Last edited 4 years ago by BJs Brain is Missing
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monica coyle
monica coyle
4 years ago
Reply to  BJs Brain is Missing

I so agree!

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Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  monica coyle

And me. I have got to a point now where if I could identify somewhere reasonably free-ish I’d sell everything I own and go there – if I could get there of course, past all the fines and testing bureaucracy

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BeBopRockSteady
BeBopRockSteady
4 years ago

It’s is incredibly worrying how both the stasi has mobilised without any official coordination to put down opposition, and how those who have built careers on dedication to scientific endeavour just roll over when confronted with it. They need to step out of the shadows now. I don’t know what they are waiting for? For the stasi to allow them at some point the freedom to speak negatively about government policy? It’s not happening. Every moment they allow themselves to stay silent, they only corrupt themselves more.

Where is the integrity in any of this?

Also, are these unnamed rebel scientists rocking up for the vaccines? At what point do they actually take a stand?

Last edited 4 years ago by BeBopRockSteady
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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

The ‘covid’ scientists, are they all connected to WHO, like Whitty?

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Bill Grates
Bill Grates
4 years ago

We all know the climate of fear is deliberate . Some know why.

Here’s a good interview with Knut from 23/03 with some much needed common sense.

https://odysee.com/@yabba:e/–The-Lockdowns-Are-Creating-a-New-Virus.-Then-We-Have-a-New-Epidemic.–%E2%80%94-Dr-Knut-Wittkowski-:1

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TJN
TJN
4 years ago

As a peripheral observation, articles such as this suggest to me that there is a groundswell of opinion building up, bitter and all the more determined for the wrongs it has suffered.

When the backlash against this shitshow finally reaches critical mass it is going to be very powerful indeed.

Those pushing this garbage are, in the fullness of time, going to pay.

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wendy
wendy
4 years ago
Reply to  TJN

TNJ I so do hope so. Some days it is hard to be optimistic.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago

With a few honourable exceptions, academics have always been cowards.They have always rolled over, for Hitler and Stalin and Franco and every other totalitarian bully.
There’s a brilliant, but chilling story by C S Forester called ‘The Physiology of Fear’ which illustrates the sort of thing an academic is capable of when his mind has been sufficiently corrupted by Fascism. Recommended.

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SueJM
SueJM
4 years ago

This is a brilliant piece that I will copy to those who can’t see that there has been no debate. I remember when technology first developed emailing and folk were kindly warned to think before posting. Then along came social media and teenagers (for whom I believe, it was initially developed) began being brazen with their non face-to-face contacts. That’s where we are at now….. professional adults whether politician, science boff or whoever, acting like teenagers. If they would only stop with the name calling and worse and return to professional courtesy and debating real science (and the real science of debate). Oh the irony of a technology that makes communication easier!

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Cbird
Cbird
4 years ago

What would be interesting would be a similar article telling us what is happening behind the scenes in the msm

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WeAllFallDown
WeAllFallDown
4 years ago
Reply to  Cbird

Yes! I’d really be interested to see that especially behind the veil of The Guardian and the BBC.

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ginny hall
ginny hall
4 years ago

How sad that scientist and academics are behaving so badly towards those who challenge government policy and narrative. But unfortunately that stance is reflected in the wider society too. People who don’t listen to another viewpoint only their own cannot be very confident in their own thinking. It’s only by challenging what we do think and making adjustments we can make progress and move forward.

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didymous
didymous
4 years ago

Now where do we see exactly the same type of anti-science behaviour to shut down any criticism of the “consensus” claimed by activist computer modellers, gullible and funding focussed “scientists” and their captive government lapdogs? Anyone?

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DanClarke
DanClarke
4 years ago

Has Blair been given a place on the Health ID committee?

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gedhurst
gedhurst
4 years ago

This is a great essay from The Covid Physician, which discusses many of these points and demolishes them one by one: https://tcp.art.blog/2021/03/24/bipolar-corona-politics-positive/

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Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  gedhurst

what a great article – I wish that doctor was my GP

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Catee
Catee
4 years ago

I have copied and pasted this to my MP. He is a rabid lockdowner and as he constantly reminds us, a committed Christian.
I have pointed outaccording to his beliefs he will eventually meet the ultimate judge and be found wanting.

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186NO
186NO
4 years ago

I read the that there are many instances of very dubious “science” sold or forced on a gullible public; space prevents me from explaining further but if readers surf the net for “Biopsychosocial”, “Unum US”, “Unum UK”, “Aylward”, “DWP”, “ATOS”, “Work Capacity Assessment”, a very nasty can of worms will eventually be revealed – and it could have been written by Michael Crichton or John Grisham. Just one example of how “experts” can distort, dissemble, con and manipulate unsuspecting people for their own ill gotten gain. Due to my personal experiences with the subjects in inverted commas I became and remain 100% sceptical on many matters, including lockdown as with all readers here.

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DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
4 years ago
Reply to  186NO

It was Michael Crichton who wrote (in the context of climate hysteria) that if anyone tells you the science is settled then they have their hand in your pocket

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TyRade
TyRade
4 years ago

Maybe we can persuade Ms Soma Sara to concoct a website (‘Everyone but Lockdownsceptics Invited’?) where dissidents being abused, harrassed, cancelled can emote (evidence not required) so the Met can deploy some of its shock troops (currently, urm, abusing Lockdown sceptics) to investigate these bullies?

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epythymy
epythymy
4 years ago

“while senior NHS staff have been threatened with disciplinary measures for questioning the Government approach online or in the media.” if only this extended to the telling of barefaced lies by certain nhs matrons.

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marebobowl
marebobowl
4 years ago

What a great article. We have watched the suppression, smearing and censoring of world renowned scientists over the past year. Of course it is unacceptable. The frightening thing is it is being done by colleagues, university heads, NHS senior managers and last but not least the MSM. Lockdown sceptics and other individuals/groups such as Pan Data, Hart, and so many many others have provided us with an alternative and provided the sanity needed to get through this. Thank you.

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wendy
wendy
4 years ago

And in amongst this toxic atmosphere our Government want us to take a new vaccine. In the end this vaccine technology may turn out to be fantastic but how can people like myself, seeing the scientific discourse being censored, trust and make informed decisions? This taken with the deliberate promotion of fear, leave me unable to make a judgement about a new medication. I don’t feel our government have the populations best interests in mind. I do not trust them and for this they have only themselves to blame.

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Less government
Less government
4 years ago

It seems quite ridiculous that our biggest public institution, the NHS is full of fear and intimidation driven by our own Government’s threats, senior management and bribery. These people and their organisations are a disgrace. Personal ego and self interest and greed before duty to the people they are supposed to serve. Drain the swamp.

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