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Government Has a Case to Answer on Children’s Vaccination, Says Judge

by Will Jones
4 October 2021 7:24 PM

On Friday I reported on ONS figures which showed a worrying rise in deaths among 15-19 year-olds in summer 2021 compared to summer 2020, a period which coincided with the roll-out of vaccines to that age group. I asked whether the increase of 57%, amounting to 90 deaths, was a signal of deaths from serious vaccine side-effects such as myocarditis, or whether there was another explanation (such as increased road deaths, for example). There were only nine Covid deaths in the age group during the period, and there was no corresponding increase in deaths in 1-14 year-olds, adding to the concern.

I was not the only person to raise these questions. This data was presented, in fuller form and alongside other evidence, at a court hearing on Friday, where the Covid19 Assembly is seeking a judicial review of the Medicine and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA)’s decision to approve the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine for use in 12-17 year-olds.

Although the Government had asked for the case to be struck out, the judge, Mr. Justice Jay, allowed it to continue, accepting that the claimants had an arguable case. The current position is that the court has adjourned the matter to a further hearing to allow the Government further time to respond to the case. The court has given directions that the Government submit further response and evidence by October 11th, with the claimants having to October 15th to reply. After this the court will reconsider the matter “promptly”. I understand that the vaccination status of the teenagers who died during the period of the rollout is part of the evidence that the Government has been asked to provide.

Since publishing my piece I have been pointed to the data for deaths in 15-19 year-olds for the years 2015-19, which I did not think was available but had been published separately in response to a Freedom of Information request. The graph below now includes a line for the 2015-19 average, allowing us to see that while 2021 is notably above average, it is not as high as is implied by using 2020 as a baseline.

The average number of deaths in 15-19 year-olds between weeks 23 and 37 in 2015-19 was 207. This compares to 252 in 2021, a rise of 45 or 22%. That’s half of the difference between 2020 and 2021. However, it’s not clear which baseline should be used; for instance, 2021 deaths in 1-14 year-olds were even lower than in 2020. On the other hand, 15-19 year-olds have their own risk factors.

What is really needed is a full, detailed analysis of vaccination status and causes of death to see how far vaccine side-effects may have played a role in boosting teenage mortality in 2021.

Will the Government provide this data and analysis to satisfy the court that the vaccines are not responsible for most or all of it? We will know soon.

Tags: Covid19 AssemblyONSPfizer/BioNTechSafetyVaccinating Children

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unmaskthetruth
unmaskthetruth
3 years ago

They’re not even trying to pretend to justify the need for their tyranny anymore. ‘We are just following WEF orders!’ How are the protests coming along? The window of freedom is closing.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  unmaskthetruth

We won’t find out about the protests from the MSM and Toby doesn’t post about them, probably being circumspect.
Surprising amount on YouTube though.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago

It’s not science and it’s not safetyism, it’s meddling-addiction AKA NPD.

I believe Anti-vaxpassers need to lockdown residences of those pro medical coercion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEolSjlcqng

Reminded me of the above.

Last edited 3 years ago by TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
3 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

Correct, Nanny Nicola Ceausescu knows best.

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Katabasis
Katabasis
3 years ago

What an absolute clownshow as usual.

It’s as if they just don’t care about the reasoning or justification, they’re just following orders…

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Rogerborg
Rogerborg
3 years ago
Reply to  Katabasis

And the Celtic Fringe are just the trial run for England.

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Hopeless
Hopeless
3 years ago

Ridiculous, but par for anything SNP. No doubt whistling a bar or two of “Stop Your Tickling, Jock” before entering any passport-requiring premises will be just as prophylactic.

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RickH
RickH
3 years ago

“he believed”

i.e. – what we knew all along – it’s politics turning into religion, not rational knowledge.

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NonCompliant
NonCompliant
3 years ago

Just keep doubling down and sooner or later you will get the required outcome.

The media has been onboard since day one. They cannot and will not change direction, they’re painted into the corner, there will be no mea culpa.

Buckle up.

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djmo
djmo
3 years ago

When I wrote to the SNP MP for where I live (I certainly wouldn’t call him ‘my MP’) about the vote for vaccine passports, he didn’t respond until after the vote, and when he did the copy and paste response included this:

At this stage, the Scottish Government does not believe it to be appropriate to introduce vaccine certificates for the whole hospitality industry, but it is a position that will remain under review throughout Autumn and Winter. The First Minister has made it clear that any extension of the scheme to other settings like hospitality more generally would not be done without a full parliamentary consultation. The Scottish Government has also made it clear that:

“we do not believe that vaccination certification should ever be a requirement for receipt of any key services or in settings where people have no choice over attendance—for example, public transport, education and access to medical services or shops.”

That made me absolutely certain that they intended to extend it to pubs.

If numbers go down, they’ll say that vaccine passports are working so they need to extend them. If numbers go up (probably partially as a result of the idiocy of using vaccination status as an indicator of Covid status), they’ll say the measures they’ve brought in aren’t enough.

These are not rational, or good, people.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  djmo

They play fast and loose with pubs because the majority of people don’t use them regularly and some look down their noses at those who do which is why, at times, Gastropubs were exempted, same goes for gyms and nightclubs.

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Julian
Julian
3 years ago

It’s worrying that they no longer feel the need to lie all that much – openly admit they have no evidence for what they are doing. They feel confident that there will not be a public outrage or media shitstorm. On the other hand, perhaps this hubris will one day be taken too far and will be their undoing.

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago

Someone with authority believes something and uses the awesome power of the state to impose his belief on everyone.

I think it’s just a matter of time before the country changes its name to the Democratic United Kingdom. A country with ‘Democratic’ in the name is a dead giveaway for a dictatorship. As in the German Democratic Republic or the Democratic Republic of Korea.

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago

Ok, so he just follows his heart, beliefs and intuition, just like most commenters here do with regard to vaccines. Seems like he’s a good man after all.

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Ah, but we don’t use the power of the state to impose our beliefs, rational or otherwise, on anyone else.

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

And that’s why I like you more than the ministers. I’d much rather deal with harmless idiots than dangerous idiots.

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Make up your mind: is he a good man or a dangerous idiot you don’t much like?

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helenf
helenf
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Ignore the Orwellian double-speak, it’s intended to confuse and disrupt.

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago
Reply to  helenf

Nah, he’s alright.

His position, which actually has a lot of merit, is that the erosion of rights such as vaccine passports and the like is what is really outrageous and should be fought on principle. And that trying to push back by claiming the vaccines are dangerous or worse still that they are a part of a genocidal plan are misguided and counterproductive. Vaccine passports, for example, are an outrage even if vaccines work really well.

I’m pretty sure that’s the gist of what he thinks and gets pissed off with what he considers OTT criticism of vaccines.

He’s may be right, even if he puts his point across rather abrasively.

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helenf
helenf
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

OTT criticisms of vaccines? Are you serious?

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago
Reply to  helenf

The genocide part seems a bit OTT to me.
Given all we’ve seen in the last 18 months, I wouldn’t rule it out, but I wouldn’t bet heavily on it.

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helenf
helenf
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Very few on here are talking about genocide. But many of us are very concerned about the side effects and deaths that many people are reporting, and those are only the immediate/short-term adverse events. The fact that the government don’t allow any kind of analysis of their yellow card data only adds to people’s understandable suspicion that there are serious problems with the safety of these so-called vaccines. And now we are starting to hear reports of sudden deaths in vaccinated children. How bad do things have to get before the roll-out is halted and the safety data taken seriously?

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago
Reply to  helenf

I couldn’t agree more. The way reports of side effects are being downplayed, ignored and even suppressed is outrageous, possibly even criminal.

Moreover I find quite maddening how they blew the danger of covid out of all proportion and exaggerated the risk but then all of a sudden are so able to put vaccine damages into perspective.

In both cases the risks in absolute terms seems very low. What has changed through sheer force of propaganda is that previously the risks of natural disease were accepted and there was a tolerance for it and the risks from drug and vaccine side effects were not accepted and there was no tolerance for it.

Now it’s the opposite. The big achievement of the pharma industry with the help of governments has been to flip things around and make society very intolerant of the risk of disease and very tolerant of damages from vaccines.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  helenf

I am talking about Genocide. It’s planned and it’s happening. This shit show is far darker than any of us can imagine.

Why are they injecting children? To kill some now, many more by 2030 and the remainder will be extremely poorly with compromised immune systems. And of course rendered infertile if they survive beyond 2030.

It is Genocide.

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Rowan
Rowan
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

His position, which actually has a lot of merit,…

You cannot be serious.

And that trying to push back by claiming the vaccines are dangerous or worse still that they are a part of a genocidal plan are misguided and counterproductive. 

Possibly futile, but still true.

He may be right, even if he puts his point across rather abrasively.

Utter bollocks. Are you raye?

Last edited 3 years ago by Rowan
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misslawbore
misslawbore
3 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

He certainly does a good job of winding you lot up 🙂

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Yes, stewart, you got my position exactly. I’m pro-vaccine (for those groups that can benefit from it) and anti-vaccine-passport. And yes, I enjoy being “abrasive”.

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stewart
stewart
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

for those groups that can benefit from it

Which might those be then?

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Abrasive might be tolerable but you are incredibly rude, arrogant, aggressive, very poorly informed and what I can only summarise as an oxygen thief.

Your contributions add nothing and serve only to undermine the decency of this site. If you would do the decent thing and Fuck Off it is without doubt your drivel would not be missed.

I am all for different and contrarian points of view but you simply debase DS and take up space.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

Don’t spare the lash h. Tell rayc what you really think.

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Rowan
Rowan
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

raye is a troll assigned to spout nonsense on DS and we pay his wages.

Last edited 3 years ago by Rowan
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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

The “good man” was of course sarcastic, and aimed to provoke the anti-vaxxers by comparing their beliefs to those of this lunatic. It appears that my message got across as intended.

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misslawbore
misslawbore
3 years ago
Reply to  stewart

Why give the troll more oxygen with your replies. Read it laugh and move on

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Superunknown
Superunknown
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

As opposed to a clueless idiot, such as yourself?
Or would you prefer useful idiot? Seeing as you are doing the “dangerous idiots” bidding.

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LovelyGirl
LovelyGirl
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

It takes one to know one, etc.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

So nature is lying when it details the harms from getting jabbed?

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Norman
Norman
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Yeh, but they keep telling us to follow the science when he is in total denial of any scientific analysis.
And being a good man doesn’t give him any additional authority and it certainly doesn’t make him right.

Last edited 3 years ago by For a fist full of roubles
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Rowan
Rowan
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Beware paid troll Corporal raye on duty.

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

No, he rejects evidence, all evidence, as you well know but pretend otherwise.

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Your post is Michael Moore calling Tom Stoltman fat.

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LovelyGirl
LovelyGirl
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Just like you, schweetheart!

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misslawbore
misslawbore
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Most facile ignorant comment ever

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TheGreenAcres
TheGreenAcres
3 years ago

…and has also mentioned that the scheme may continue and possibly be extended to other settings.

Is this the least surprising statement ever?

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isobar
isobar
3 years ago

Ferguson gets a roasting from protestors and DM readers.

Anti-vaxxers led by Piers Corbyn storm university lecture by Professor Neil Ferguson and demand no more lockdowns as audience member brands him a ‘f****** murderer’

Best rated readers comment (2190 vs 617)
‘They’re not ‘antivaxxers’, they are just people – and there are MILLIONS out there – whose lives have been harmed by Ferguson’s UTTERLY baseless and routinely completely inaccurate ‘predictions’. This individual cannot be relied on or trusted, and so should not be given any position of influence.’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10166325/Anti-vaxxers-brand-Professor-Neil-Ferguson-f-murderer-storm-university-lecture.html

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helenf
helenf
3 years ago
Reply to  isobar

Couldn’t happen to a nicer chap 😉

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JayBee
JayBee
3 years ago
Reply to  isobar

The first fully vaxxed (with real and necessary vaccines) anti-vaxxers in history.
And the first Nazis that protest for inalienable individual rights, above all bodily autonomy.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  isobar

He didn’t vet his audience adequately and he’s so far up his own a*se that he was genuinely surprised st the hostility.

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RW
RW
3 years ago
Reply to  isobar

Good. It’s important that these people realize that they’ll ultimatively end up having to live the remainder of their lives in secret locations guarded by the police if taxpayers are willing to pay for that. And that they should better hope that taxpayers remain willing to pay for it.

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helenf
helenf
3 years ago

Devi Sridhar is a lying (“the covid vaccine is 100% safe, kids!”), totally bought and controlled, pleb-despising opportunist who has made a career from jumping on the pandemic lie. She is beyond despicable.

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isobar
isobar
3 years ago
Reply to  helenf

Way beyond despicable!!

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Katabasis
Katabasis
3 years ago
Reply to  helenf

How can she possibly say that with a straight face after the whistelblower article in the BMJ?

And no media hack will bring this up will they?

Gods above I hate them all.

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago

The Germans are still blaming unvaccinated (of course). In Spiegel comment section there are people claiming that the “minority of unvaccinated is terrorizing the majority”.

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helenf
helenf
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Presumably, given your stance on covid “vaccines” and the insults you regularly hurl at those on here who raise very legitimate concerns about the rollout programme, you agree with “the Germans”.

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  helenf

No, my stance is to let the unvaccinated do whatever they wish, remove all the restrictions immediately and even introduce new laws to ban vaxx-passports forever. The same stance since Ioannidis published his initial (correct) estimate on the deadliness of this pandemic over a year ago. It is fully compatible with the stance that older unvaccinated persons are dumbasses and that the vaccines are not going to hurt any substantial number of people (I fully recognize that they WILL hurt a tiny fraction of patients, but then, so do plenty of other medications or lifestyle choices that people voluntarily take/make, so it’s not a big deal; the coercion is).

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JayBee
JayBee
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

I found this one quite interesting.
The most reputable newspaper in Germany, the daily bible of the academics, advertises with the slogan that it is and is for readers that ate interested no longer about knowledge, but attitude.
Satire and MSM critics couldn’t have done it any better.
I have sent it to a few friends who subscribed to.it, but I doubt they’ll get or question it.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

Translation please?
My German couldn’t even get rusty.

Last edited 3 years ago by karenovirus
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Silke David
Silke David
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

As I want to have an opinion on topics and not just repeat the facts I read and hear.
Subscription to the FAZ etc.
Freedom starts in the head.
Very badly translated, I am not a professional.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  Silke David

Thank you, I share those sentiments but understand that many here do like to examine the charts and statistics as I did initially until I knew which side of the lockdown debate to stand on.
After that it became unnecessary but I welcome explanations provided by people who know about and enjoy such things.

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Haltung is more like “mindset” or “bearing” or “stance”, not just an “opinion”. It is a word with some authoritarian/collectivist connotations when used in the context that someone is bringing a “Haltung” to you (rather than that you develop some positive “Haltung” yourself). That’s by JayBee calls it satire.

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RW
RW
3 years ago
Reply to  Silke David

Because I want standpoints and not just facts.

Possibly a covert barb at the German weekly periodical Focus whose unofficial motto was/ is Facts! Facts! Facts!.

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Superunknown
Superunknown
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

That’s the same as your logic. Flawed beyond comprehension.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  rayc

Using phrases like ‘a pandemic of the unvaccinated’ and ‘unvaccinated . . .terrorizing the country’ makes them the extremists.

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JayBee
JayBee
3 years ago

So he confirms that it’s a cult. Only cults and religions do ‘belief’.
And the Israeli minister has already told the world what this is really about.
Not that it had any negative consequences for him or the rollout.

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Rowan
Rowan
3 years ago

When Thatcher was foisting the poll tax on Scots in the 1980s they played hardball and put the iron lady in her place. How times have changed.

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Superunknown
Superunknown
3 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

Then they changed the name to council tax and everyone loved it. No more covid passports, just social freedom apps!

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

Probably just pleased to get there before bozo. At least for now he doesn’t seem to be playing follow-my-leader with her and Drakeford.

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Superunknown
Superunknown
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

He is no doubt waiting for the cheque to clear, and a better offer of employment once he has washed his hands of the dirty task he is currently performing.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  Superunknown

Like Blair he’s not in it for the PMs salary.

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cornubian
cornubian
3 years ago

Devi Sridhar is a paid WEF stooge – as are most of the other regime collaborators. That is why they get so much air time. But shush….the public arent allowed to know this.

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Nitrambo
Nitrambo
3 years ago
Reply to  cornubian

And a YGL

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago

In any fit and proper Court of law failing to produce evidence means you lose the case by default.

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Rogerborg
Rogerborg
3 years ago

“Cases” go down: “Oor vaxxports work, we need more of Oor Vaxxports.”

“Cases” go up: “Oor vaxxports aren’y working, we need more of Oor Vaxxports.”

They were the goal all along. Everything has led to here. They will never, ever go away, and they will always creep into more and more aspects of our lives.

Show your vaxxport once, to anyone, anywhere, for any reason, and you will be a serf forever.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago

Uh there is. The prophylactics don’t prevent transmission, therefore the passport is pointless.

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TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
3 years ago
Reply to  Anti_socialist

Pointless from a health perspective, but that’s not THE point.

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

No point at all for me, I hate crowds! & I’m glad I can’t go anywhere where there are lots of vaccinated twats.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  TheyLiveAndWeLockdown

Wot TLAWL said.

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
3 years ago

Totalitarian turds just wanted a ‘papers please’ combination of Ceausescu’s Romania and East Germany

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karenovirus
karenovirus
3 years ago
Reply to  Moist Von Lipwig

I was in Ceaucescus’s Romania for a few days; the Securitate guys were always easy to spot. Their leather coats and jackets were less crappy than everybody elses.

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Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
3 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

You can tell them in Scotland because they’re in parliament.

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  Moist Von Lipwig

Don’t forget a “criminal scanner” on every phone, as proposed by EU (to monitor all communications).

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rayc
rayc
3 years ago
Reply to  Moist Von Lipwig

Except it’s going to be much worse than in those countries thanks to technological progress. You could bribe the security guys, but how do you bribe an electronic access control gate?

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Cristi.Neagu
Cristi.Neagu
3 years ago

the Scottish Government has no evidence on whether its vaccine passport scheme reduces Covid transmission or entices the unvaccinated to come forward for the jab

Entices? ENTICES!?! WTF!?! Forced coercion at the expense of your job, house, livelihood is not “ENTICING”!

Oh, and btw, if they cannot show it works, the default is “Do Not Do It!”, not “sure, let’s have some tyranny, why the heck not?”

Last edited 3 years ago by Cristi.Neagu
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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
3 years ago
Reply to  Cristi.Neagu

Those not injected are certainly NOT going to be “enticed” into accepting a poison needle.

Idiot.

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wendy
wendy
3 years ago

Just needed to say F off Devi!!!! Ah feel better now!

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Anti_socialist
Anti_socialist
3 years ago
Reply to  wendy

I wouldn’t trust myself to leave it at that.

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LonePatriot
LonePatriot
3 years ago

There is an ivermectin panic on the big tech and MSM right now. Massive articles from MSM on Ivermectin trying to push a danger narrative and also negative press on Americans Frontline Dr’s, again, to keep the Covid narrative alive. Just go to the Goog and type ivermectin then look at all the panic news articles. We are over the target. Big-Pharma is panicking. This medicine has been widely used by humans without any problems for 40 years. It’s inventor won a Nobel Prize after 20 years of successful use and after 100 million people were cured of a broad spectrum of problems without any side effects. Get your Ivermectin while you still can! https://health.p0l.org

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TheBigman
TheBigman
3 years ago

Let me tell you this. In Scotland next to no one in the capital has anything relating to covid. Where they get these numbers from in the empty test centres is beyond me.

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Simon MacPhisto
Simon MacPhisto
3 years ago

I just clicked the link to the Guardian article, laughed out loud at its sub-heading, scrolled to its comments section and stopped laughing. There really an awful lot of brainwashed morons out there. I’m surprised they risk getting out of bed every morning.

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