Dominic Raab wasn’t kidding when he said vaccine passports are intended to “coax and cajole” people – especially young people – into getting vaccinated against Covid. This campaign has been upped again today, with Transport Secretary Grant Shapps warning that “if [people in their 20s] want to travel internationally again”, they must get ‘jabbed’. “It’s quite clear now,” he added. The Sun has the story.
The Transport Secretary told young people they should get double-jabbed to regain the freedom to cross borders. …
Mr Shapps said the U.K. is getting back to normal because “fortunately in this country we have very little vaccine hesitancy”.
He said a whopping 90% of Brits have now received a jab but conceded that take up has been lower amongst younger adults.
The Transport Secretary suggested that ministers are relying on the lure of foreign hols to persuade people in their 20s to get vaccinated.
He said: “They will need to get vaccinated if they want to travel internationally again. It’s quite clear now.”
Double-jabbed Brits returning from amber list countries – which includes almost all of Europe and the U.S. – now don’t need to isolate.
The new policy, which comes into force on Monday, will open up hassle-free hols to millions of Brits for the first time in two years.
A number of the popular countries with British tourists also now demand proof of vaccination to enter.
They include favourite destinations on the continent like Portugal, Malta, and France.
Meanwhile double-jabbed visitors to Spain and Greece are able to avoid the cost and uncertainty of needing to provide negative tests. …
Mr Shapps also predicted that having to be double-jabbed to return to the office will become the norm for some workers.
He said it would be a “good idea” for all Brits to get vaccinated before ending working from home.
The cabinet minister insisted there are no plans for the Government to make it compulsory but “some companies will require it”.
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A reminder that this violates the Nuremberg Code, article 6, section 1.
A reminder that the Nuremberg Code is more what you’d call guidelines than actual law.
Nearly all aspects of the Nuremberg code and the related Declaration of Helsinki have been incorporated into national law for all western countries, including the UK.
one piece of paper is as useless as another when the state removes the means to ensure it sticks to it’s contract from the people.
Who watches the watchmen? I would say that the responsibility has to ultimately fall on the watched.
Nos Custodimus ipsos custodes (We watch the watchmen I am “reliably” informed).
Seems to mean “Who guards the guardsmen” which has far less sinister implications than “Who watches the watchmen”.
And which laws exactly are you thinking of?
I’ve had to obey The Medicines for Human Use (Clinical Trials) Regulations 2004 since then, and there have been similar prior to 2004.
In addition, there’s plenty of case law examples, which pretty much demand that you follow international guidelines otherwise you’ll find yourself in trouble (even if they’re not defined in statute).
Beyond that, there’s the usual medical/clinical ethics considerations, that will again be used against you in the courts if you don’t follow the rules.
There’s only two rules that I’ve been told under no uncertain terms that there’s no professional help ‘if things go wrong’ and I’ll be thrown to the dogs if I disobey them even by accident — clinical trials (essentially Good Clinical Practice) and export law relating to drugs that might have military application (ITAR). They’re taken very seriously.
The current situation whereby the vaccines have been released without full testing but where there’s been very little follow on robust pharmacovigilance is exceptionally weird. It is exactly the sort of situation that the rules were developed for (well, that and outright fraud), and they’ve been disregarded.
“In addition, there’s plenty of case law examples, which pretty much demand that you follow international guidelines otherwise you’ll find yourself in trouble (even if they’re not defined in statute).”
Such cases more or less conform to Rogerborg’s description of “guidelines”.
The law of the land (as confirmed not long back by the House of Lords in R v. Jones) is that even crimes that are universally accepted internationally have no force in English law unless specifically enacted by Parliament.
quite right too, we can’t let foreigners put their laws on us.
havent we tried that already? no!! were much better off now with our own people looking after us arent we ????
I’ve pointed out here before that what people assume to be a constraint upon their rulers often actually isn’t.
This was highlighted for me when it turned out that the supposed “ultimate crime” of waging aggressive war, that our rulers had been using as a pretext for killing foreigners for decades, wasn’t even illegal in this country, for a British Prime Minister.
There was a lot of debate about “did Blair wage a war of aggression against Iraq” or didn’t he (clearly he did, but there was plenty of self-serving denial about). Few noticed that even if he had openly admitted having done so, he could not have been prosecuted because doing so was not illegal in this country.
Indeed, from the ratings, it’s very sad how many people simple assume that the Nuremberg Code is actually incorporated into the UK – or any – law (it’s not), or look to an external higher authority to save them from the incipient despotism (it won’t).
Even if it was law the despots will find a way round it or they will ignore it. Absolute power is just that – absolute.
i know i am naive here but just how many politicians are there involved in this shit show and how many people is this fiasco effecting .There is a clear inbalnce of about 63million to 400 .Surely its not beyond the realms of protest to use this as an advantage to resist ,refuse ,react and change what is not right.these ridiculous people have no regard for the poice ,army ,special constables etc who they imagine will trample the peasantry the moment they say “excuse me but….”.Its the inevitability that so many people except that so angers me .The leadership is essentially behaving like thugs with a tie on and cannot preach or claim any moral high ground when they have behaved so poorly We all have a choice .Stop pretending this is China (i know lockdown was a Chinese fad but )
Sadly half the population still believe in the early images from China where they will drop down dead in the street.
All the governments are following the same wef mantra
The party of davos ccp
You are right in that we should have the numbers but I hardly ever come across anyone who is as disturbed as me by what’s going on. I have recent tried to ‘wake up’ 2 friends of over 40 years’ standing. I get absolutely nowhere. They see absolutely nothing wrong with these passports an de think I am selfish for not doing my bit to ‘protect’ others. I am beyond despair at how to get more to see the real picture before it is really too late.
Parliament allowed it. End of story.
and who did you vote for ??? or you or you or you dont complain now .They werent any good back then and they got a whole lot worse because they are not of the people so they care not for the people
Before you join in the pile-on, please understand that this is a statement of fact, not of opinion or desire.
If you believe otherwise, I’m going to have to ask you to show your working, i.e. which UK laws incorporate the Nuremberg Code.
I’ve been seeing this ‘Nuremburg Code’ for a few months already. I don’t see Boris, Zahawi, Patel, Shapps, Whitty, Fergison, Hancock, Gove or Michie shaking in their wellies.
What I do see is people being slurred as “anti-vaxxers” and the Government actively encouraging ‘the vaxxed’ to turn against them. Hate Crime is fine when it suits the Government.
Anyone up for yet another Crowdfund for a ‘lawyer’ to get us out of this? Or how about another petition – that will really show them!
Well that works both ways.. i would say .if it isnt a law you dont have to legally do it ,there is no moral law and any other form of coercion is duress surely The law is there for everyone so maybe the legal profession will save us
That’s certainly true but fails totally to tell the true story that almost all countries have adopted the codes as part of Law and the rest abide by its spirit. Are you trying to claim it is perfectly okay to force people into taking medicines?
Boris & Etonian pals don’t care.
Drawing a link between these vaccines and what the Nazi doctors were doing is grotesque.
Assuming that these “vaccines” are anything other than experimental gene therapy at best is what is grotesque. And it’s you drawing those links. The Nuremberg Code calls for no forced medical procedures, no matter who’s performing them. Assuming that everyone is ok to experiment on people as long as they’re not nazis is another very grotesque thing.
It is impressive how much delusion and anti-human sentiment you managed to squeeze in a single sentence.
I agree it is grotesque but Nazi doctors were not behaving this way in 1930 or 1931 or even 1932 but we all now how the erosion of freedom works.the holocaust is sadly the high point of comparison for despotism but anything less than the Holocaust is still not acceptable
What is grotesque is to ignore the obvious truth.
This code is merely a man made law and as such can be ignored at any time. Indeed that’s how all laws are treated. A mere swish of a quill and now they can spy on you and tell you what to do.
As I said elsewhere, laws only apply to us, pleb. Steal an apple, go to jail. Kill a few tens of thousands through your idiotic policies, that’s ok. It happens.
The obvious subtext of this and everything about vaccine passes is that the restrictions are not going to end in the foreseeable future.
That is literally what they are telling us. It’s not “you won’t be able to travel for a few months, by when it will alll be over.” It’s “you’ll never travel again”.
They are telling us, to our face, that medically-based travel and work restrictions are effectively here forever regardless of whether Covid is an issue or not.
If it was ever about the virus it isn’t now.
Spot on!
This is about societal changes to force through the climate agenda under the guise of a medical “emergency” – an agenda the PTB knew would never receive support at the ballot box.
And the climate agenda is aimed at removing the freedom of movement from people by banning cars and planes (or at least making them unavailable for the general population), and by imposing such strict energy consumption restrictions on the population that we will all be plunged back in the 19th century.
except for the feudal over-lords.
Yarp. They’re already openly threatening a health-and-exercise social credit score, although I expect the first thing added to the “vaccine passport” will be a carbon credit score.
You want to travel? Then tithe to our cronies selling you carbon indulgences for the sins that they invented.
oh and eat cheaper food so you can afford higher rents.
And then throw in a central bank digital currency, levy a negative interest rate on your income to pay for other people’s UBI and to force you to spend into the crappy green economy and stop you ‘hoarding’ if you have the temerity to want to provide for your own old age.
Cashless, of course. Cash will be the last freedom pillar to topple.
An extremely reasonable summation.
If 90% of the sheepopulation has been jabberwocked, and travels, there ain’t going to be a very big impact on the climate, is there? They need to be DIScouraging people from getting the jibjab.
Not to mention psycopath-driven societal change and implementation of B*r*itcoin with probable tax increases at source to fund UBI. WHAT ARE WE DOING?
“The obvious subtext of this and everything about vaccine passes is that the restrictions are not going to end in the foreseeable future.”
Exactly. We are facing a new world order, regardless of how it came about.
They’ve been trying for decades to achieve this, maybe even from the start of the 20th century. Cars becoming mainstream really scared them, I think. All of a sudden, the average pleb had an incredible freedom of movement. Anyone could get in their car, travel anywhere without answering to anyone or anything. People could be more, see more, talk with more people, and dream of more.
Then in the ’60s and ’70s the airplane boom started taking over. Planes were getting more common, whole towns were being built around airports such that you could land and taxi your plane through town, and park it on your driveway, in front of your house. Plane manufacturers were designing planes for families, and there even was a fully working flying car (one model is still flying today). This scared them even more, because now people could easily move between countries, islands, continents without being controlled at all. You could get into your plane and fly to Cuba if you wanted to, and there is not much they could do about it. You were no longer dependant on the government imposing rules on airlines, you were no longer dependant on the government giving you permission to travel. People were getting even more independent. But they saw an end to that, with regulation after regulation, such that today only the upper class can afford a plane. That freedom was taken away from the masses.
They started assaulting car travel quite a few years ago, through climate change. Cars are getting more and more expensive to produce and run because of more stringent legislation. Electric cars are being pushed forwards, and pretty soon internal combustion engines will be fully banned. When that happens, you won’t be able to use your electric car to go on vacation any longer. You’ll only be able to travel 200 or so miles, and then spend 6 hours or more waiting for it to charge. How are you going to go on a trip through Europe like that? You’ll once again be dependant on the government providing you with infrastructure and the permission to use that infrastructure if they like you.
And now we come full circle. You will no longer have any personal means of travelling. No car, no plane, no anything. You will depend on the government to provide you with bus routes, airports, trains. And the government will block you from using any of them if you don’t wear a mask, if you don’t vaccinate, if you have a criminal record, if you have debts, if you are identified as subversive, if you say the wrong things, if you think the wrong things. And they’ll always say “We’re not stopping you from travelling. You’re stopping yourself.”
Our civilization’s distinctive feature is a strong willingness to give away our freedoms in exchange for sweet words and the government’s embrace. I wonder if people 2000 years from now, studying our history like we study the Roman Empire, will learn anything from this? Or, who knows, maybe this regime will be eternal, and 2000 years from now there will be no concept of history, since history is offensive and oppressive, and all that matters is the Eternal Party and the Supreme Ruler.
remember the past is malleable (only the future is fixed), our history is stored on the internet and the truth is being erased (censored) at a unprecedented rate.
When my father died I chose to keep the 1970s family Encyclopaedia Britannica 20 volume set for this reason. (Against some family pressure in view of the space taken up and the anti-clutter issue …)
Seems like hard copy is going to be important.
No doubt we’ll be facing visits from the “fire brigade” in due course.
You may have to memorise it “The Book of Eli” style, or at least photograph it and store on a few memory sticks.
Fahrenheit 451?
Yes, another of the books we need to take more seriously as predictive…
A good – if somewhat depressing! – analysis.
I sometimes think the only way out of this is massive vaccine death and injury, (which I obviously don’t wish to happen). I doubt that anything less will cause people to rise up.
I’m sorry, I’m at the point where I want that to happen. Everyone chooses the risks they want to take.
We have had violence drummed out of us. For the most part that is a good thing. I’d certainly not want to live in a society where violence is part of everyday life. But in the process we were made to forget that defending yourself is not violence, it’s not an attack. It took the French Revolution to unseat corrupt royalty. The Berlin wall and Communism didn’t peacefully fall by themselves. Freedom is always paid for in blood, it seems, and people are too quick to forget that.
Velvet revolution, Czechoslovakia 1989, a non-violent transition of power.
Two things to take from that:
I think they are afraid of us. Hence the draconian measures.
But I do think they are less afraid (or more motivated) to use measures that in the past they would have been thumped back for trying on.
And one thing that governments have learned in the last couple of decades is that, if they just stay the course and don’t give in to the pressure, the resistance to their policies dissolves quite quickly.
In that respect, the Iraq war was a real killer for democracy and government accountability. They clearly lied to us, clearly had the blood of millions on their hands, clearly did it against the wishes of the population and the consequences? Crickets.
“We have had violence drummed out of us.”
Speak for yourself…..
Massive death is what they are counting on – they don’t want 7 billion ‘useless eaters’, now that AI and robotic manufacturing have arrived. 700 million are much easier to control, while still maintaining the standard of living that the elite have become accustomed to. They’ll be a huge upheaval while this happens, but they’ll have factored that in.
Inclined to agree.
I actually hope it happens. These Governments imposing “Build Back Better” and “The New Normal” need to be stopped. Do people not find it peculiar that almost on the same day they started to say the same words all over the world? I’ve heard both phrases from countries all over the planet. This was planned.
There will be no people 2000 years from now.
At least, not ‘people’ as historically recognised.
Throughout history that is the way life has been, a few aristocrat types at the top enjoying life while the vast majority are serfs with no freedom, most people never leaving the town or village in which they were born, existing solely to work and reproduce. The last 100 years with freedom and prosperity for the masses were just a blip and we are now reverting to the norm.
My current thoughts too.
“Or, who knows, maybe this regime will be eternal, and 2000 years from now there will be no concept of history, since history is offensive and oppressive, and all that matters is the Eternal Party and the Supreme Ruler.“
Nothing human is eternal, but it is worth bearing in mind that there is a fundamental difference to the world of today, that was never the case in the past – the possibility create by technological advance of a global elite and a global authority.
Most tyrannies in the past have fallen due to external example, threat or rivalry. You can only impose self-destructive ideological nonsense for so long before you become too weak to resist those external rivalries and the internal pressures they create.
This is where globalism is so profoundly dangerous for humanity.
Over time unequal State systems fail through rent-seeking, with coercion replacing reciprocation to keep the insider favours going.
The demands of the “elite” grow faster the more parasitism they get away with, until they start scrapping amongst themselves, then it does fall apart quickly.
Well, the Chinese are doing pretty well at keeping it going. Theirs is the winning model. Bread and circuses.
Only because the west have allowed them to. We have actively engaged with them , encouraged them to buy into our infrastructure, education system etc. Had we ever had the balls to sanction them fully because of their appalling human rights we probably would not be where we are now.
Possibly. They are smarter than the USSR was. But maybe if pressure had been kept up, their rise would been slowed. Sadly the rich countries were drifting their way anyway, that drift with covid turned into headlong rush.
We’re copying them now.
I’ve just had this debate with an especially intelligent fuckwit of a colleague of mine. Her view “well, if you want to do things, there are are rules, and those rules are decided by other people”. This is what we’re up against – infants in adult bodies.
I am somewhat amused by your use of the term’intelligent’ in reponse to the comment that rules are decided by other people.
Shouldn’t the term be ‘unintelligent’?
Yes and all the travel companies will accept this along with the government accepting the los in revenue that goes with it .Not for long!!!! this is just posturing untill the baliffs knock
HARTgroup of scientists, doctors and other independent experts have expanded their ”question everything” ethos to include vaccines with this excellent article…
https://www.hartgroup.org/vaccination-prevents-transmission-myth/
Grant shapps really is inadequate
The apparent inability of vaccination to end the pandemic as claimed by the authorities is also being noticed in other nations; Gibraltar, Scotland, Seychelles and India are several such examples. HART has always been concerned about the “vaccine saviour” narrative and calls to “believe” in vaccination — when life or death decisions are being made, it is imperative that we rely on a robust evidential base and reject quack science.
Whether or not the vaccine reduces the severity of disease remains an open question, although Israel has concerns that this is also waning. If that is the sole benefit of the vaccines which has survived transition from the clinical trial scenario to the real world, any discrimination or coercion of any form aimed at those who choose not to be vaccinated is completely unsustainable.
There has been a sharp change in narrative in the US. The is a bit worrying because the urgency in the messages suggests waning vaccine efficacy is not the only concern.
Hi Mayo – can you expand? What happens there will come here soon
ADE, maybe? At first there was a source saying viral titres were higher in the vaccinated than the unvaccinated, but it got pulled sharpish.
ADE was always a risk if neutralising antibody titres waned, especially if they go faster than non neutralising ones. And if they’re dropping off with Pfizer fastest, you’d soon be seeing it in Israel and then the US.
presumably the response to ADE would be to double down and give more vaccines?
Commentators on TV openly saying that the “kind” approach has been tried and now only mandated; enforced vax will do. This is in part of Dave Rubin’s Direct Message – The Rubin Report
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZVVqR5GKVE&pp=sAQA
Do you think the medium term side effects are starting to show up?
Constant micro-clotting would start to have an effect, I’m seeing that in someone I know who reacted badly to the jabs.
they have maybe just realised that they have opened ‘Pandora’s box’ and so are now in a bit of a panic
I’m still baffled as to what they mean by “a vaccine which works mainly in the circulatory system”.
It conjures images of brave little vaccine tin soldiers standing guard duty at specific points in our body. Vaccines do not “work” like that. They train our adaptive immune systems to do a better job, is all, and this is the first I’ve heard of some sort of localised response.
Is there a guide to explain to this idiot how localised immunity works?
my guess is that antibodies in the blood system wont help fight virus entering the ”mucosal membranes of the respiratory tract” – so mucus not blood
Yes they’re different parts of the immune system so you can catch COVID and cough it to others with the jabs, but it will be localised to the lungs (probably the worst place !) those who get COVID and recover will be protected by recognising any of the viral fragments anywhere in the body, especially the lungs etc.
Probably why the jabbed are getting it 40 times more often than those who caught COVID and recovered.
yes, my limited understanding is that the virus and the disease (caused by the bodies reaction to the virus) are two different things, anti-bodies in the blood do not help fight the disease and are in the wrong place to neutralise the virus and deal with infected cells
and my very limited understanding of an article on the topic in Nature suggests that the blood based and mucous membrane based systems do not act in isolation but share the response to an invading pathogen and interchange information about it, which to be honest I would expect since pretty much all airborne viruses must first of all be captured in the mucous linings of the mouth, nose, respiratory tract and eyes.
makes sense, the immune system is extraordinarily complicated and apparently less understood than even the goings on in the brain
I think that’s true (and I respect the HART information). The main way in to us for the viruses under consideration is via the cells in our respiratory tract, which have the Angiotensin Converting Enzyme (ACE) protein on their surface. Not much chance of it breaking in to our skin elsewhere, though.
Just you wait until people realise that the vaccine itself is a virus, since there is no other way to deliver genetic material into cells.
I think it is what I was saying the other day. IgG antibodies are mostly systemic, while IgM are in the mucosal membranes, and the vaccine only makes IgG ones.
Thanks, that does make sense. My point is about the language, and this imagery of vaccines somehow hanging around and doing the “work” for us. And yes, language matters, it limits and directs thought. We’ll be Clapping For Our Vaccines soon.
I think it was mouse studies. I’d hesitate to link the best one as several pop up when searching mucosal-mice-respiratory.
“Grant shapps really is inadequate” Evil
Fake “Conservative” illiberal scum.
With the likes of Gove, Shapps and Raab in the party hierarchy, and a blancmange like Johnson in charge, how can anyone viewing himself as in any meaningful way conservative ever vote for this party again?
These are not policies anyone with conservative attitudes would consider for a moment. They are radical, extremist authoritarian and unprecedented, implemented by globalists in thrall to all the tropes of the modern global elite.
Get them out, along with their Labour equivalents, or face the grim reality of the “new world order”. A world with no “outside” to escape to or to give an example of how things were done better, no dissent outside the permitted bounds. The foretold “boot stamping on a human face, forever”.
I have voted conservative in most of the elections I have been illegible to vote in. Never again though – if there is not a sensible party standing at the next election then I will spoil my paper.
“Illegible – not clear to be read”
Which, funnily enough, makes your sentence nearly illegible 🙂
But on to more serious things: The voting system is simply the illusion of choice. Very rarely do we get an actual choice, like when the US got to vote for Trump, or the UK got to vote for Brexit. Despite their posturing, most parties have the exact same agenda. You cannot change the choice you get when voting by just voting anymore than you can fight fire with fire.
There are new small parties arising that can grow.
Not voting does reduce the legitimacy of the rulers, and voting for small honest parties is a potential threat to the system.
It’s right to be cautious about the possibilities of fighting within the system, but on the other hand the examples you give show that it should never be dismissed entirely.
I’m not advocating for not voting. I’m advocating for a better understanding of what voting actually is.
Sorry – I will blame the predictive text on my iphone!
Professional liar.
Very timely new article by Iain Davis ‘The Not So Great Carbon Reset’.
He brings it all together in another well researched and written piece. I recommend reading it all.
https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/the-not-so-great-carbon-reset
Berlin wall.
Shapps and Raab have conveniently forgotten their Jewish Heritage. Shame on them.
As, apparently, has the entire Knesset in Israel.
Whenever a politician comes up with a great idea you really have to tie them down to success criteria (whether it was worth doing) and failure criteria (whether they made things worse), with really firm metrics. If you don’t get this out of them then they’ll keep changing the rules as they go along to make themselves look better.
In the case of coronavirus and the vaccines these might include:
etc etc.
You have to force them to do this at the start, otherwise they’ll change the rules as they go along (eg, shift from vaccine protection from infection to protection against <whatever aspect still works>) or make sure that they don’t measure things that might be inconvenient (eg, make sure only useless side effect tracking systems are made available, and don’t encourage their use even then).
We’re now in the worst possible situation, having politicians that can pick and choose the rules as they go along to make it look as though their policies are successful.
“Whenever a politician comes up with a great idea you really have to tie them down to success criteria (whether it was worth doing) and failure criteria (whether they made things worse), with really firm metrics. If you don’t get this out of them then they’ll keep changing the rules as they go along to make themselves look better.”
Indeed, but doing so requires two things that have been notably and crucially lacking in this panic: genuine political opposition, and honest and adversarial media scrutiny.
“Whenever a politician comes up with a great idea?”
Oxymoronic if ever. The whole bloody lot of them are Destroying our country.
OFF FUCK rearrange
Anyways Shapps was already on my little list, so…
it just strikes me as odd, the bizarre confidence they have in novel vaccines with no long term safety data*
the variants will change, the effect of the vaccines will change
what we know about the vaccines has changed from 98% efficacy and 100% safe (Sridhar) to age restricted, side effects and now they apparently don’t stop infection or transmission (Fauci). first it was for the hyper-vulnerable, now its coercing pregnant women
never had a coronavirus vaccine before – now we have about 15
never had an mRNA vaccine licensed before
I think mass vaccination with a novel vaccine is morally wrong – even if they dodge the bullet this time
time will tell. I feel like going to sleep for 6 months and seeing what the world looks like when I wake up
*as said by JCVI
I’m slowly starting to believe that this vaccine has been a long time in the making, and they know exactly what it does and how well it works.
Sadly in 6 months time I think the world will be even more crazy. If I could I would rather go back in time to the 60s
I’m only 45 but I’ve found myself getting nostalgic often lately, listening to a lot of old music from the 70’s/80’s/90’s etc. I’m sure largely a result of not wanting to live in these times.
What makes you think they give two hoots how effective/safe the vaccines are? All they care about is what can be spun, and how it helps them, and sadly they can spin more or less anything now.
Lies from beginning to end. Nowhere near 90% of the population has been jabbed, just over 50% according to our world in data have been double jabbed. It’s a total fabrication to push the vaxx. Even if you do get the vaccine you are not ‘free’ to travel in any sense of that word, you are still reliant on being granted that freedom by the whim of the Government. The more I hear of these desperate pronouncements, the more convinced I am that they are losing their grip.
They mean that you are “free” to beg for permission and prove your compliance and submission.
That’s how it seems to me.
Three ministers in three days coming out swinging against those who refuse to take their jabs.
The more evident it becomes that the vaccines don’t work in they way they want, the more aggressive the campaign to get people vaccinated.
They’re scared.
“They’re scared.”
They should be terrified… They decided they didn’t like democracy and democracy is the only way to leave office in a car not a tumbril.
“The more I hear of these desperate pronouncements, the more convinced I am that they are losing their grip.”
Agree with your sentiments entirely ebygum – although you’re using the wrong tense. The government isn’t losing its grip – it lost it ages ago!;-)
Surely the V’d figures are about 90% in UK, 50% in USA? I blame too much trust in the NHS for the high UK figure.
I recently bought Dr Malcolm Kendrick’s 2014 book ‘Doctoring Data’. A good read. Things have been getting worse for decades.
Given the latest slip from the CDC that “vaccination” makes absolutely no difference to viral load, in what way should it effect the decision whether to incarcerate incoming travellers from Chinese Virus hotspots?
Sounds like Mr Shapps is denying the Newly Settled Science. Why is he not being “fact checked”?
The question su for how long? Will this still be a requirement 2 years from now? Will they require boosters? I’m vaxxed so, not a personal issue, and not traveling outside the borders till I can be sure if I won’t get stuck at The Travelodge for 2 weeks. But a year from now, when my son turns 18? Will he have to get jabbed despite having already had the dreaded disease?
It is long past time for the government to test for memory cells so we can move past doing jabs on those who don’t need it and it won’t serve.
all for a disease that only kills old people and in the last 18 months killed fewer people than children died of diarrhea (a disease of poverty that the reaction to covid has increased massively)
As a doctor you really need to keep up. Check the CDC latest comments. If you had a Pfizer jab they will be insisting on booster within 6 months, if not before. The fall-off of anti-bodies is causing break-out infections, ie ADE. At the moment Delta is milder than Wuhan etc, but with ADE a strain can easily become far more virulent.
There will be requirement now for ever ( not 2 years) , its baked in, they have given too many a leaky vaccine for it to stop.
“I’m vaxxed so, not a personal issue” Depends if you feel you ought to show solidarity for the unvaxxed, and with your son when he turns 18. Not for me to say, but we need the vaxxed on our side to win this war. We’ll probably lose it.
How long? I think we have to assume forever really. Foolish to assume it’s going to end.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/29/cdc-mask-guidance/
“The delta variant of the coronavirus appears to cause more severe illness than earlier variants and spreads as easily as chickenpox”
“vaccinated individuals infected with delta may be able to transmit the virus as easily as those who are unvaccinated”
“public convinced vaccines no longer work/booster doses needed.”
“In some sense, vaccination is now about personal protection — protecting oneself against severe disease. Herd immunity is not relevant as we are seeing plenty of evidence of repeat and breakthrough infections.”
our country is apparently awash with delta and no excess mortality
just doesn’t add up
From government figures for May, Delta has 9 times smaller CFR (0.2% same as Flu) than originalCovid (1.8%)
we are apparently awash with it and it isn’t killing anyone
Maybe it’s because the Delta Variant is essentially a bad winter cold!?
The first sentence is a lie.
The rest is facts.
Delta has a lower CFR according to the UK government!
See talks by Chris Martenson.
if there’s one thing we do know about the vaccines – they will continue to surprise us
If Covid were genuinely a deadly disease to the majority of the population with a very high fatality rate of say 50% or more for the fit and heathy then all these restrictions, jabs, boosters etc would be justified – but for a virus which more 99% of suffers will make a full recovery from and by and large only kills very old people or people who ill anyway all the restrictions and forced experimental medical producers are just ludicrous. Not to mention the cost of of the lockdowns, jabs and damage done to people’s mental health and businesses etc. Why on earth are the majority of the population not yet questioning or resisting all this?
A whopping 90% of Brits are not able to think for themselves. I despair.
It’s terrifying. The 90% would probably not put on their pants in the morning until Boris Johnson told them it’s ok to do so.
If the government were to put out a statement that white is now black and the BBC repeated it, there would be a spate of deaths on zebra crossings.
And the only aspect of it regarded as worthy of discussion by the mainstream media and mainstream politicians would be “was the announcement evidence of systemic racism?”
Lol. I sometimes think if Boris Johnson announced that smearing yourself in dog excrement protected you from Covid 90% of people would do just that.
Wonder what Toby thinks of the shit his mates are now pulling?
I told my Mrs this would happen 18 months ago. I only renewed my passport in case there was a slim opportunity of escape in the future. Seems that is now gone lol.
Personally I couldn’t give a shit about holidays abroad if it means risking my health. I know I’m in a minority !!
I sometimes ( in the olden days ) have to travel for work to USA and Europe
But I sure as hell ain’t getting jabbed !
Considering escaping this island and absquatulating somewhere in Europe for a while.
At least there are more “options” on the continent than being stuck on a island ! Well become like North Korea for the unjabbed 😱
Why would you risk your health by travelling abroad? We’ve been living here in Finland for the past 18 months (and i was in England for 5 weeks Dec-Jan) and we haven’t died of ‘Covid’.
If you really think this is about a virus, or all the made-up mutants, you should Stay At Home. Do you also wipe the trolley handle when you go to Tesco’s?
I presume NonCompliant means he/she won’t get vaccinated (a risk to health) just to be able to travel abroad.
Love it all and that last bit especially.
Personally, no, save only when I go to Aldi ( I suspect they don’t even wipe their arses -those who shop there like to save the planet on toilet paper).
Yep. But we must stay strong.
Sadly I lack the vocabulary to express the visceral hatred I have for the utter bastards behind this.
I did not believe in capital punishment before this – but now…
“ The cabinet minister insisted there are no plans for the Government to make it compulsory”
I think we now all know this is in keeping with their MO. It very much means that that is indeed their intention just as they did with the passport. This will never end.
The old trick… They won’t force you to vaccinate… you’ll “only” need it if you want to go to a sports game… or a concert… or travel… or to the restaurant… or to the pub… or to the supermarket… or in the park… or leave your house. Everyone delivers these days, you don’t have to leave your house if you don’t want the vaccine, so it’s all perfectly voluntary and no one is forcing you to do anything. Except private companies. They will force you to vaccinate. Because we told them to. But they are private companies, so you can’t complain about that.
Something doesn’t add up.
If there is little vaccine hesitancy in the UK as Shapps says, then why have we just had a barrage of ministers coming out threatening those who don’t get vaccinated:
Gove – those who don’t vaccinate are selfish
Raab – you’ll need a jab to go to uni
Shapps – you’ll never travel again if you are unvaccinated
There isn’t a credible epidemic model in the world in which an epidemic doesn’t disappear with 90% of the population immune. It’s just impossible for a virus to spread where 90% of the population is immune. You don’t need any more.
There are many questions which need to be asked of these psychopathic government officials which will the major media companies will never ask.
Crapps would like you to believe international travel isn’t possible. He’d like you to believe in a world that begins and ends with France and Portugal and Malta. Plenty of countries don’t require a vaxport. Mexico has no restrictions at all!
But will the government let you get on a plane/ship/train to leave the UK without a double jab?
That’s the crunch point. At the moment they are just cracking their knuckles like a mafioso henchman.
Mafiosos do at least like their own family members.
A reminder of just how deadly a foe we face:
Now then, now then, guys and gals, in May, The Rona was 24th in the Cause of Death chart. Sadly, it won’t be on Top Of The Pops this week, as it has slipped again:
Coronavirus (COVID-19) was the 26th leading cause of death in June 2021 in England (accounting for 0.9% of all deaths registered in June); in Wales, COVID-19 accounted for 0.1% of all deaths so the numbers were too small to reliably rank against other leading causes of death.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/monthlymortalityanalysisenglandandwales/june2021
accounting for 0.9% of all deaths registered in June)
That’s WITH COVID not OF-COVID deaths so the real danger level from the Chinese Hobgoblin is EVEN LOWER..
And factor in the false positives and it’s lower still!
Not so! That’s their ‘from’ figure; including the ‘with’ deaths takes it up to, wait for it… 1.2%. A total of 476 deaths in the month, about the average number of cancer deaths PER DAY. Follow the link, the whole report basically says “nothing going on”.
1. The “vaccines” don’t prevent infection.
2. The “vaccines” don’t stop you passing it to others.
3. The “vaccines” don’t stop you from dying.
Not much of a vaccine is it?
Still no shortage of uninformed people ready to take that booster though I bet !
Be prepared for all the “but it makes symptoms milder” people who were brainwashed into thinking the virus was nearly always fatal who have no idea that the vast majority of the infected were asymptomatic. The virus has always had mild symptoms in most people before the vaccine, not sure why now we have to credit the vaccine for that.
Two possibilities:
I flip-flop between these two regularly. Sometimes several times in the same day…
I’m firmly in the 1 camp purely down to the fact this is happening across pretty much all Western democracies in lockstep.
If by some miracle it is 2, we still have the fight of our lives ahead of us!
The problem I have with (2) is principally two-fold:
1 – They deliberately ramped up fear very early on and have doubled down ever since
2 – They had several chances to move on, under cover of vaccinating the vulnerable – “excess” deaths dropped and they could have said we don’t need to test everyone now. They doubled down.
I know. Those are good arguments.
BUT, there is also the dynamic that got us here in the first place which is the fear and hysteria whipped up by the media thereby putting irresistable pressure on governments to take extreme lockdown measures.
The dynamic continues. Anything that governments try to do to relax things is met with a barrage of hysterical doomsayers. Any positive results is ignored (Florida, Sweden) and any whiff of a negative impact (“cases” rising) and officials know they will be accused of having blood on their hands.
i guess it boils down to whether that dynamic is a natural one or an orchestrated one.
“fear and hysteria whipped up by the media” The media were largely directed by the government, and paid by the government, and also prevented from speaking freely by Ofcom, a government agency.
Hmm, yes but. . .
Why instigate a test with an unfeasible (and unprecedented) ct value at the beginning (inevitably inflating figures)?
Why change the rules on death registrations especially for covvy (inevitably inflating figures)?
Why no autopsies for a supposedly novel virus?
Why did everybody abandon pandemic planning made over decades all at the same time?
Why was rhetoric from governments and media throughout the world identical?
Why was everybody declaring that things would never be the same again – the ‘new normal’ – right from the start?
Why are so many nations ‘building back better’?
Why did they change the definition of the word ‘cases’ just for covid?
Why did they change the definition of the phrase ‘herd immunity’ just for covid?
Why did they change the definition of the word ‘vaccine’ just for covid?
Why was covid vaccine technology passed to Ralph Baric’s team before the supposed pandemic had begun?
These and many other questions point at co-ordination, though I’m sure incompetence, ignorance and arse-covering play a significant role. . .
Good points all. Add in all the countries acting in lockstep with just a few exceptions.
i think it is 2 morphing into 1
Gosh Stewart, yes, I’ve had identical thoughts since the beginning. Things just didn’t add up right from the start (vaccines were the only way out?, “new normal” introduced into the popular vernacular immediately, extreme censorship of any reasonable and scientific dissenting opinion). Bojo and the cabinet fucked up mid March and dug deeper to cover tracks.
For me, tt started with (2) but now has clearly morphed into (1) as someone else has mentioned. The unexpected and overwhelming willingness of UK citizens to submit, bow down and accept the dogma must have been a surprise, and now it’s a power grab for total control.
Multiple precedents have been set, no political opposition and all targets are now attainable. Power, control, climate, digital ids, tracking, fitness and health.
But for my kids, I’ll never give up this fight. It’s going to get very messy!
It’s number 1.
Number 2 would imply that our leaders were of such low intellectual capability we would have to define a whole new category of idiot.
Then again….ermm
Surely like all things in life there are those who can figure out a work around?
I of course would not advocate doing so or even do it myself (cough) but given the mediocrity of the people running these schemes then fake vax passports or corrupt GPs willing to amend your medical records won’t be hard to find soon will they?
I’m sure it was possible to get in and out of the Warsaw ghetto if one really applied oneself.
Personally I wouldn’t rely too much on loopholes lasting for long.
Well it didn’t take long in France for people to offer the jabs and squirt them down the toilet instead for 300 euros.
From the point of view of travel it’ll be fucked if you do, fucked it you don’t. Simultaneously it’ll be:
To the unstabbed: “Sorry, you can’t travel as you haven’t had the latest booster”.
To the stabbed: “Sorry, you can’t travel as you haven’t had the latest booster and your credit score is too low”.
Grant Shapps aka Michael Green is worth bringing back capital punishment for.
It’s certainly possible to make a case for “COVID vaccination”, just not the present one, which is essentially the same as for face masks: We don’t really now what – if anything – this is good for. But because it could be good for something, everybody must be forced to do it. And because outright use of force is something we cannot do, we’ll just have the state terrorise everyone until he complies.
This is actually a case against vaccination: Use of bad means fouls any end they’re supposed to achieve. It’s dishonourable. And dishonourable people can’t be trusted.
“Shapps and Raab have conveniently forgotten their Jewish Heritage. Shame on them.”
From what I see going on in Israel, it looks like the Jews are the New Nazis. Jews putting yellow stars on their fellow citizens. You couldn’t make this up!
Very true. Quite unbelievable in the circumstances. Sounds like they never heard of the Holocaust. Or maybe they’re deniers. Perhaps that explains it.
What they did to Palestine was bad enough, now they’re doing it to themselves. Scary stuff.
“1. The “vaccines” don’t prevent infection.
2. The “vaccines” don’t stop you passing it to others.
3. The “vaccines” don’t stop you from dying.
Not much of a vaccine is it?”
It’s crystal clear now, that the ‘jab’ is your indoctrination into The New Society. It gets your name on The Register for your ‘Vaccination Passport’.
It’s like being ‘baptised’ in church, but here the Holy Water has to be injected into you instead of sprinkled on your bonce.
I think Boris & pals missed out on a trick here – they could also have said that the virus hides under your foreskin, and all me would have to be circumcised to ‘stay clean’ and ‘protect others’.
Gets your name on The Register but 6-monthly boosters required for your name to stay on. Recurring revenue!
Doesn’t the plandemic officially end tomorrow in accordance with the contracts with Pfizer et al?
I’m sure I read somewhere that they can start to charge full price for their kill shots from 1st August.
The story has moved on, and is now far, far away from a public health issue. It is now firmly in the Digital Bio-Security New World Order. All without a murmur.
Fear is the key.
If you ever thought this was to contain a deadly disease – God help you.
1920’s Germany has arrived and we’ve got a long way to go.
For governments it is about control of populations, carbon credits, digital currency, terrorism ( why no terrorist attacks of late – they must all be in lockdown lol ) etc.
For big pharma it’s about money and being able to literally, bury their mistakes passed and present. No control groups left you see.
We’ve got the whole state machinery and most of the MSM against us but we have right on our side.
Hopefully the tide will turn especially when the sheep see that the “vaccines” are at best useless and at worst provide opportunity for more mutations not to mention ADE.
It may be interesting to see how they spin that one…..but then again, just too many unthinking sheep watching their big screen tv’s and polishing their shiny new 4×4’s bought on tick whilst dreaming of their next foreign holiday.
“Hopefully the tide will turn especially when the sheep see that the “vaccines” are at best useless and at worst provide opportunity for more mutations not to mention ADE.
It may be interesting to see how they spin that one…”
They’ve already started to spin it – the unvaxxed are spreading it!
Nobody’s biting on that one yet.
How long for this odious little creep (and his chums) to get it through his thick skull that all the jab is supposed to do is REDUCE SYMPTOMS?
That is apart from all the deaths and injuries it is already causing. On the Gov’t Yellow Card scheme 1,490 deaths already and 1,082,942 injuries. Worse still on the government’s own reckoning only 10% of averse events are reported, while independent experts say far less. So this jab is a killer and those behind it are – guess what ….
https://yellowcard.ukcolumn.org/yellow-card-reports
I don’t think they care, they’re just following the orders
No virus, no pandemic. It is the final takeover of society by the real controllers (Jesuits) of the world who have been working towards total world control and world government for centuries.
UN, WEF et al are conduits in the process to enslave mankind into a digital dystopia, where you will need digital ID and eventually the Mark of the Beast to buy and sell.
Trust in the Lord and repent to Jesus, time is getting short. darknessisfalling.com
Wow. We really are careering back into 1930s.
Back then it was Jews and Jesuits who were suspected of controlling the world.
One of the many tragedies of this is that one of the subplots is Gove going for Johnson. I reckon he thinks Johnson is ripe for taking on. Raab and Shapps are his allies.
So first Gove came out calling the unvaxed selfish, then Raab threatening the students and now Shapps threatening with no holidays.
Johnson is weak and doesn’t want to come out a as a hard core lockdownista because it undermines much of his political appeal. But he doesn’t want to come out as a freedom lover because he knows they’ll lay any bad corona news at his feet and call him reckless.
Gove, Raab and Shapps are taking swings at Johnson. The unvaxed are just pawns in this hideous little political game.
The subplot all along has been to take every opportunity to reduce the appeal of Johnson at each point where he, as a ‘populist’ leader might appear to be delivering on his promises. The only politician that these people are afraid of its one who can go over them to appeal directly to the public. As a result, they have been trying to undermine him since day 1. After every victory he is forced to backtrack and look stupid by the propaganda machine led by the compliant media. However, we are probably close to a denouement. (Watch how crazy things are getting with the White House and the CDC now to realise that this is bigger than just the UK.) Gove is a totalitarian and part of a group – including Cummings – who saw Johnson as a means to an end – achieving power. Now they are seeking to use emergency powers to create a totalitarian control system that they will then take control of themselves. It probably doesn’t stop at Gove – there are more sinister operators in the background I am sure, but we won’t get to see them. Johnson might have to go nuclear and destroy Gove to save himself (and us) from tragedy.
I see this more as a Libya type situation. Amid a situation of growing chaos opportunists in the right place at the right time are stepping in and chancing it to see what power they can get their hands on.
Pharma companies, tech companies, “scientists”, oligarchs, politicians.
As happens in situations of chaos, the people who bubble up to the top are the most ruthless and vicious.
If you’re going talk about that love child of Peter Powell and Bruno Brooks, please don’t abuse us further with an image of his ugly smug mug! This bastard need to rot with all the rest of them.
Puppet
Is Grant Shapps the new Matt Hancock?
Why would I get vaccinated to get a piece of paper I’m not prepared to show to get access to any service/country? I must not understand how this incentive is suppose to work.
I don’t think these announcements are a surprise and to an extent they just reflect the reality of other countries’ restrictions on entry.
Eventually the restrictions will end, certainly in two years, since by then Covid will be even more of a nothingburger than it is now.
The real danger is that this episode normalises this level of control on individuals.
I would say the ‘social contract’ between the State and the People has been severed (by the State) would you not say?
The need to resist and non-comply grows more urgent every day.
Indeed.
Do not comply with anything. Recycling, paying your taxes, buying from global orgs, using out of town shopping centres…
Thats basically a threat but what is so blatently obvious is that the climate is just so right for this government to introduce anything they want because of a population of lemmings and morons who have had the protest reflex removed
What a total cunt this man has become. Sorry for the foul language but I really can’t think of a better way of describing him.
This must be the most evil government to ever take power – this Tory government is the true heirs to the Third Reich – it is the Nazi Party reincarnated.
This government is now the common enemy of everyone who believes in freedom.
This is a an evil regime.
They truly are evil and carrying out evil as per there controllers instructions. We are not living in a democracy we live in an illusion.
Even though the vaxxed are losing immunity within six weeks. Even though the vaxxed are getting infected, going into hospital and dying. What exactly does the ownership of a vaccine passport mean? It now means you took the experimental biological, your immunity is waning or waned and you are at risk of becoming infected with COVID, transmitting it, going into hospital and dying.
I think I will take a pass.
It also shows that you are gullible.
Young people being ‘double jabbed’ means there is a 60-70% of becoming sterile…according to Prof John Bell.
Why isn’t anyone talking about eugenics?
It’s 100% eugenics. Not today maybe, but in the future…a little gene tweak here, a gene tweak there…
I guess that Grant Shapps, or Michael Green, or Miguel Verde will still be able to travel as at least one alias will have a fake vaccine passport.
Pease may I have the money back for the passports my wife and I just renewed?
What is really behind this? It is nothing to do with health because, for example, Sajid Javid had two jabs and came down with it, 100 crew on the HMS Elizabeth came down with it and all were double jabbed. It is noteable that the Government are not releasing figures on how many in hospital are not jabbed therefore it is certain that almost all, if not all, cases are double jabbed.
So what is the panic and obvious desperation really about? We know it is a man made virus, created with the USA’s assistance in Wuhan. What do Governments know about it?
First rule of the Hypocratic Oath is “Firstly do no harm”. Thousands have died from these vaccines. Hundreds have been blinded. They will never be tested, never be licenced because there is no longer a control group. Those foolish enough to take them had better hope to everything they can think of that the Science got it right. The track record of Coronavirus vaccines makes grim reading however since in every trial since 2002 the animals all died or were immensely ill after being exposed to the virus. Who knows what else these hideous monstrosities do in the long term? Literally nobody.
The control group could be each and every politician in the world who took a placebo.
So grant Shapps thinks it’s only people in their twenties who want to travel?
What about us jab-free oldies?
What about people who have been double jabbed outside the UK – they are not allowed to enter from an ‘Amber’ country unless they book the two covid tests.
Covid passports including top-ups seem to be on the way.
I will NOT have this experimental crap injected into me.
Please note I am 66 and have alot of travelling left to do.
I am lucky in that I can afford to do the quarantine in other countries, many people are not.thus they will be co-erced into having these blasted things.