Michael Gove says there is a “strong case” for the introduction of vaccine passports “in appropriate locations”, such as at Premier League football matches, arguing that “everything… we can do in order to reduce [the risk of Covid transmission], we should”. He hopes that “some form of certification” will be introduced across all four nations in the U.K. “This,” he believes, “is the right way to go.”
In an interview with the BBC, Gove said that vaccine passports would “make sure we can have greater confidence that big events are not likely to be super-spreader events”. He cited the “spike” in Covid cases following the Euro 2020 games – which experts believe helped squash the latest peak – and said certification would help to “make sure that major activities… are safe” because those who are vaccinated are “less likely to be carriers of the virus”.
This is exactly the sort of “nonsense” that Hugh Osmond, Founder of Punch Taverns, criticised on Sunday when he highlighted that, under Government plans, someone who is fully vaccinated but has Covid will be allowed into a “large venue” but someone who is unvaccinated yet doesn’t have Covid will be barred.
By saying that certification checks will make venue owners more confident that their events are not likely to be “super-spreader events”, Gove also appears to have forgotten the results from 10 recent Government trial events. These identified just 28 positive Covid test results among 58,000 participants *without* the use of vaccine passports.
Despite all this, Gove insists that “the case for certification, overall, is a strong one”.
You can watch the BBC interview here.
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Why Vaccine Passports and Digital IDs Will Mean the End of Privacy and Personal Freedom
Well that’s a “no shit Sherlock” headline if ever I saw one.
I live in an Australian jurisdiction in which I may not enter a library, restaurant, theatre, gym, concert hall, health centre, art gallery, hotel or cinema; and may only enter a hospital under strict conditions.
From April 18, I will be permitted to leave Australia; but I do not know if I will be permitted to return.
I’m luckier than many. I’m not confined to my home; and so far I am still employed, unlike many others who do not have their “certificate of vaccination”, though I may not enter my workplace. I have family and friends who will visit me and allow me to visit them; and who are not afraid to embrace me.
It’s difficult to describe what this feels like. I think I’ve adjusted well, until my heart races when I hear that “the conditions” are being reviewed. I can’t get online fast enough to discover what part of my life might be restored to me.
Or what additional part might be taken away?
I prefer to live in hope – but yes, there is sometimes a sense of dread.
I don’t confess that to anyone who knows me, in case they inadvertently repeat it to someone who might think I’m copping what I deserve. I don’t want to give the bastards the satisfaction.
I have a sense of dread about it all. I’m unvaxxed and live in Scotland which has been pretty bad. Like you, I don’t talk about it but I listen a lot to the moronic views round me and it’s depressing.
Also in Scotland, also unvaxxed: we had the bug early on in 2020, plus we are healthy and low risk, so saw no benefit in having the dodgy vaccine anyway and certainly wouldn’t take an experimental medication under any form of inducement or compulsion, on principle. I think if anything Nicola Sturgeon is now backing off, and her horrid sidekick Dr Devious Headshrinkar is also taking a back seat as it becomes apparent that the so-called vaccine is in fact, no such thing. No wonder they aren’t publishing the stats any more: they look absolutely dire for the pro-vaxx lobby in Holyrood.
The issue is that so many people who said they weren’t having the vaccine caved in and got it so that they could go on holiday abroad. People that I thought would hold the line just rolled up their sleeve and went for any jag they could get. I know otherwise intelligent people who were in the vanguard for the booster and a few who probably wouldn’t speak to me if they knew I was unvaxxed. The media did a good job in frightening and/or persuading people
They don’t care are for any stats or “truth” – this whole charade is jus a means to impose a brutal Fascism over out bodies and cancel freedom.
They want our funds, fertility and freedom
Only a civil war will get people out of this nightmare… but nobody wants to fight. That’s it, really. Surrounded by morons and zombies in face masks forever then!
I know what you’re saying. Brits now have a false sense of security and uniquely casual attitude to covid in the world right now I think; it’s like everyone’s cottoned on although really it’s just they’re not being asked to anymore. Very liberating actually but that’s just Stockholm syndrome!
Fortunately, EF is going to go round to the Finnish PM’s house tout suite, with his catapult and get this matter sorted out. He’s Captain Mainwaring on steroids once he’s roused.
Bloody hell AE. I did not realise things were so bad.
I don’t know what to say. By God you are doing well.
All the best. Hux.
That was difficult to read. You’re living in absolute tyranny. And it’s exactly the kind of tyranny I was preparing for until it was dropped. I hope your lunatics drop it like our lunatics finally did, and I have the utmost respect for your holding of the line.
Thank you both. It’s particularly galling in view of what’s happening elsewhere in the world, and daily figures which show that our hospital services are not even close to being “overwhelmed”.
This is punishment for defiance.
It certainly looks that way.
I salute you for not caving in
By comparison I have had it easy here in Thailand. Some of my friends have had the rona but I have still seen them and talked to them. Also travelled back to the UK last year. O.k. quarantine when I came back but it was ok.
I feel sorry for you, A wild rabid animal has more freedom in your country than you do, and I bet you still have to pay taxes to pay for the people who are doing this to you. Don’t say you are lucky, you are not, that gives these people who are inflicting this evil on you a get out, you are under the rule of sadists disguised as politicians. I hope that you can form a community and take back what is your God given right, freedom.
Oh yes, Hester – I pay my taxes!
I’m lucky in comparison with others who have refused to take the jabs. One cousin has lost his job, like many others (the mandates don’t apply to all jobs).
I also know people who have been abandoned by family members and so-called friends (I’ve only lost one friend over this). Some of them are unemployed, broke and desperately vulnerable.
That’s so sad to hear
“Form a community”. I know how that ends… someone eventually has to drive to town in the clapped out hippy van, and gets nicked for having no tax, insurance or MoT.
You may be alive, but what you describe isn’t living.
That is a terrible situation to be in – and in such a country that is thought of as being free in spirit. Well done for hanging in there. I expect I’ll never get to visit the relatives in Australia again but as they seem so smug about it all that may not be a bad thing.
You must have tremendous reserves of resilience AE to cope with this for this extended period of time. It would have been easy, the longer it went on, to cave in. I salute you for holding out and coping so well.
If I am right I presume this means you can leave your house for exercise or a walk or something and you can visit your friends and shop for essentials presumably, but that apart it is nil, zilch. Thank goodness you have sensible friends!
I experienced “I may not enter a library, restaurant, theatre, gym, concert hall, health centre, art gallery, hotel or cinema; and may only enter a hospital under strict conditions.” for about 3 -4 months until it was rescinded where I live. It wasn’t pleasant – I felt like a second class citizen. The only lucky part was that it was in deepest winter where everyone was hunkering down to avoid the worst of the weather. The restrictions were lifted after the PM announced we had to “live with the virus”. But I live in a sense of being on borrowed time, because once they have been brought in in the first place, what is to stop them reintroducing them?
I can well remember my own sense of panic when it was being discussed by the politicians in my region, especially because it looked to be indefinite. They were very open about their intent, it was to punish the people who had not been jabbed. And the logic was totally “plandemic” because under their rules I could go and sit in a coffee shop all day long without restriction, but could not go to a cultural venue, or to a bar or restaurant, as it seemed that as soon as my foot would cross the threshold of one of those establishments where you might enjoy yourself I would turn into a disease spreading vector. That virus is so clever that it would know not to infect anyone in a coffee shop!!!
God bless you and keep you strong, my friend.
An ID card is not necessarily a bad thing – they have worked in many places very well.
The issue is making them digital, and then using them using to discriminate and to control.
Jabbing is the catalyst.
Digital ID + control-freak governance = mandatory jabs.
Of course, this is not legal in Britain – we have national legislation, and are signed up to international conventions.
However, the WHO’s global pandemic plan would almost certainly over-ride this, and would enable Johnson to say, “With a heavy heart, we have to sign up to this – listen it’s not our doing, but if there’s going to be a global system, Britain has to be part of it……
………so roll your sleeves up, and do it for your community and the greater good.”
No.
No!
Any WHO plan, for whatever, overrides absolutely F A. Given the wholesale abuse of both domestic and international law these last few years and given that signing up to any such treaty would be to effectively surrender our Sovereignty we simply ignore this.
But we, collectively, will be signed up to it.
For those who missed it, Treasona May’s last act of betrayal on her way out the door was to sign the UK up, by binding treaty, to the UN’s Global Compact for Migration.
This is just one of the many reasons why Johnson’s ridiculous posturing about sending welfare tourists to Rwanda isn’t going to happen. It’ll bubble up the courts until the Supremes say “Your predecessor agreed with bigger boys not to do this, and once agreed, it cannot be unagreed”.
I don’t like to be a dobber, but nations ignore UN compacts and treaties whenever it suits them.
Exactly AE, and that’s my view. We just say, “no way. F O.”
The rule of law has been ripped asunder these last few years and we are not bound by ‘treaties.’
A government’s overriding responsibility is the safety and health (whoops) of its citizens. None of us voted for any of this shyte.
TBH, HP, the way they have mucked up both “safety” and “health” over the course of the last 26 months as far as I am concerned the further they take their noses out of both of those the better.
It has taken even sceptics to wake up to the implications of our government signing up to the WHO plan, and in the process they have probably forgotten the raft of upcoming dodgy legislation (the Human Rights Bill, the Online Safety Bill) that allows the government to fill in the details at will and enforce unspecified and unapproved secondary legislation via delegated powers. The weaponising of such buried provisions in previous legislation (such as the Public Health Act 1984) via the Covid Powers Act opened the eyes of many ambitious MPs, they liked this and wanted more!! Well they are now in the pipeline, no debate – just let totalitarianism take its course. And just because something is legal DOES NOT mean it is good law – as many shabbily drafted acts testify to.
So, what next? The 2023 Prima Noctae Bill perhaps? We’ve already legitimised experimental medical guinea piggery on kids, so it’s a logical next step. Welcome all to our (Neo) Feudalist destiny!!
Good piece.
I have said it before on here and will say it again – the bulk of the population – possibly even in excess of 90% of them – wouldn’t have a clue about any of the bits of legislation you have mentioned, wouldn’t even be aware they were in the pipeline let alone have heard of their existence or have any idea of what they will do.
As such, the UK is sleepwalking into a dystopia the like of which we on here are fully aware of but most people are not. And the sad thing is that when it does happen, because how do we stop it?, the bulk of the people will shrug their shoulders and just abide by all of it, saying, perhaps, “well, what can I do about it?”
They are a bad thing if you mean a national ID.
In a free society you are under no obligation to identify yourself to authority. Authority must always identify themselves to you, whether it is a police officer or the guy coming to read your meter.
A national ID system inverts this important element of a free society. If you want to indulge in some voluntary system to make your life easier, go ahead e.g. a membership card for a club. But a mandatory system imposed by the state is unacceptable at any level. They work for us we do not have to justify ourselves to them.
People need reminding of this. This makes me so mad, privacy has always been important to me. When I was at boarding School the Principle’s wife made sure me bed was by the wall because she recognised that even at a young age, I valued privacy.
People do not understand the role of authority in our lives. Or, rather, the important limits to authority.
I always feel it is important to remind people in a succinct, easy to understand way what that looks like even if most of the audience already know. Some do not, and the young have had their world view distorted by tyrants for whom limits are bothersome.
We are in charge no matter what the shit show actually looks like. Johnson, Sunak, Gove et al are elected representatives even if they think they are dictators.
Hear, hear.
An ID card is a bad thing when you are obliged by law under penalty of fines, to carry it with you, and so can at the whim of police be stopped and asked to produce it.
Yes ID Cards did work well in many places, Apartheid South Africa, Nazi Germany, in fact any totalitarian State you can think of.
If, in order to enter any premises or undertake any activity you must produce an ID Card, it is no less a threat than a Digital one.
“This is not legal in Britain”…. haha, yeah… I bet that’s what the P&O workers said when they were replaced by even cheaper labour.
Maybe, but the P&O ferries in Cyprus, Bermuda and the Bahamas not the UK and are owned by Dubai-based DP World.
Looking forward to telling them to stick it up their arse!
Indeed, BJ is already subservient to his globalist mates and an enthusiast of their wholly unacceptable policies.
“the EU’s own Green Pass legislation stipulates that “[t]he issuance of [Covid] certificates… should not lead to discrimination on the basis of the possession of a specific category of certificate.”
OK, so what is the point of a pass that does NOT lead to “discrimination”? Isn’t discrimination intrinsic to the concept of a pass? Isn’t the origin of the word to do with physically allowing or preventing someone from going somewhere, based on that pass? Clown world.
Exactly. The holders of passes become inured to the fact that they are holders of privileges denied to others. Those others become, bit by bit and inevitably, lesser beings.
Yes but it’s the EU – double-speak a speciality.
Asking awkward questions like that is a great way to lower your social credit score, citizen.
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Covid-19 vaccines: ethical, legal and practical considerationsFrom PACE (Parliamentary Assembly). In the EU’s own words. Dated 27th Jan 2021.
https://pace.coe.int/en/files/29004/html
The vaccines don’t work as ‘vaccines’ ,don’t stop people catching or transmitting “Covid” there are dreadful side-effects and many more deaths than are admitted and we still don’ know what dubious products in them are doing to out bodies in the longer term – ij any civilised country concerned with the long term health of its citizens – especially its children – they would have been withdrawn by now – in fact they ought never to have been sanctioned for use …exactly what more do we need to know?
In fact they are astonishingly still hying up their vax programme for 6 -12 year olds.
Conclusions about their motives? How dark can it get?
ice.age.farmer clip of former CDC director Redfield warning about bird flu as the next big pandemic.
We were fools to think any of this was going away, lifting of restrictions was only temporary, the agenda’s goal remains the same.
Billy warned two years ago that he had a new brew in the works. Now we know what it will be.
A bird ‘flu pandemic (yeah right) does of course allow for the wholesale slaughter of our domestic bird population and this will be “unfortunately” widened to include domestic cattle.
So, on top of poisonous injections will be added starvation.
I’d argue it is more in the vein of a reset of our diets. We know that drives them mad, the fact we eat what we like.
It’s plant-based everything isn’t it. Took son to Pizza Hut today. Even they’ve gone new world order plant based dystopian. And no one actually served us either it was all on an app! The fourth industrial revolution is balls ! They even feel the need to tell us that things that are obviously made of plants are plant-based. They think we’re idiots!
It will all be genetically modified slop if you know WHO gets his twisted way!
It certainly is in the vein…
Yep – there is just too big a risk that we might voluntarily choose for ourselves the really healthy stuff, and thereby not die off quickly enough for them.
Sounds like the ‘plan’ of the creepy deranged Multi-Billoinaire, who nobody ever seems to challenge because his money talks so loudly!
https://www.nfuonline.com/updates-and-information/avian-influenza-cases-confirmed-latest-news/#menu
It’s already well underway. People with a couple of hens or ducks as pets are already required to keep them locked up. There are no free range eggs on sale any more.
It’s a model of the Covid farrago. It can’t be long before they tell us that humans are being infected and we are back into full scale scare mode.
This year too, most likely.
Your last para says it all.
Mind you, I know one or two farmers who are hard of hearing and not on’t Web, shall we say.
I have seen no evidence of The Covid Scam “going away”…. but some idiots have been saying for months rubbish like “They know it’s all over – not a mask in sight!”
Not to mention the claims that “They wouldn’t dare to impose another lockdown”.
Perhaps people are ‘waking up’ to the enormity of it all. Don’t forget that, during all these discussions over the past 2 years more and more surveillance cameras have been going up.
And 5G Towers, I’m sure it’s just a coincidence!
Whatever anyone says, they DID put up loads of 5G transmitters in the dead of night with no warning during ‘lockdown’ 1.
I see too many here still wearing masks, perhaps mainly the older ones.
Some of them aren’t that old. The other day, I travelled by bus in the evening, and most of those that did wear such things were youngsters; they’ve learnt the habit, by the look of it.
Johnson busy watching the shock videos of crowd abuse by the Hazmat Corps from China and taking notes?
Or does he want to get WW3 going in Ukraine first?
The hill that right thinking people should be prepared to die on?
Yes. It’s implications are total surveillance. That is certainly worth rejecting.
But they’ll sell it on its convenience. Free Tesco vouchers and six month subscription to Netflix etc.
Need to really ram it down people’s throats so they get the point.
Yup, that’s about it. Total control. No vaxx pass, no ‘freedom’.
Well, what about all the old folk on here proudly telling us they don’t own a smartphone… as if that’s a real answer!
Let’s all live ‘off grid’ in the wonderful hippy-dippy ‘alternative society’ where it is all Love and Peace…. and cannabis & cheap Polish beer from the ‘Euro shop’.
Sounds wonderful.
That kind of argument, the avoidance argument, obviously dodges the real issue of individual sovereignty. It is the same kind of people who don’t object to mass surveillance because they have nothing to hide.
After watching people inject their kids with poison I no longer have much faith the masses will wake up.
My experience with the masses waking up regarding vaccines:
Start of vaccination: “I will NEVER take a vaccine like this”
6 months later: “I’m booking my booster”
Soooo many people were saying to me they will refuse coercion and everything. Only a handful left…
Think of all the toast
Crikey – my toaster gave up the ghost today (well it had given me 20 something years faithful service) so i am in the market for a new one.
Maybe I should get myself down to that jabbing centre…
Only Made in China toasters available now.
None left in my circle – I am the lone unjabbed never tested
Still far too many Netflix Drones!
Do we have to see pictures of The Evil One on DS? It has ruined my weekend.
Meanwhile….
https://youtu.be/pVVPAjMvBhQ
Fauci is critical of lockdowns in China, lockdowns are apparently no good for stopping the spread of viruses, but are used so they can vaccinate people
I hate that rat faced f***, however, that clip could easily be interpreted as ‘lockdowns allow us time to roll out “protection”‘. Not necessarily “We will use lockdowns to force “protection”‘.
Let’s try to remain classy in this information war.
“Three weeks lockdown to flatten the curve”
The only mention of vaccines at that point was “they may be years away”
Lockdowns were being pushed as stopping the spread, now he flips, again.
I almost wrote a longer original message addressing that obvious comeback, ‘yes I know they weren’t invented at the beginning’ – still, in that clip he is talking about something happening today, not early 2020. Lockdown to stop the spread while we vaccinate fits with their current thinking, I know it’s BS, you know it’s BS, but it’s consistent with his twisted logic.
The full interview he goes on to say China is still suffering because their vaccines aren’t as good as ours!
Fauci – the worlds number one enemy and mass murderer
He has plenty of accomplices!
Fauci is a born liar on everything he touches .
His principal objective now is covering his a*se.
I suspect the one great blunder the globalist ID control freaks have made is to associate government ID systems with Covid. When Covidmania dies down, and we eventually tote up the real cost, schemes associated with it are probably doomed.
I wish I could agree but I fear this is far too optimistic an outlook. The majority of the population will not put two and two together and will happily follow the herd and soak up the “convenience” factor.
If they roll it out well, perhaps. I certainly share your fears.
But I suspect they lack this sophistication. Plus we’ll be banging on about it nonstop.
More than likely we will wake up one morning to be greeted with the news that CBDC has replaced cash. Like much of the Reset programme their interventions are simply imposed. Their only restraint is fear of violence knowing that once violent actions commence they have the potential to spin out of control.
I used to be of the view that non-violent opposition could ultimately win the day, now I am fearful this is not the case.
The target date is 2030. Globocrap want their Reset in place by then and the sheep herded. Anything after 2030 will be about chaining us tighter. Their aim is that by 2030 the war will be over.
Why on earth people can’t see what is happening beats me.
“I used to be of the view that non-violent opposition could ultimately win the day, now I am fearful this is not the case.”
I think this is known as ‘waking up’. Never mind… perhaps you’ll be ‘first’ again tomorrow?
Wrong button pressed
Agreed. Convid was the dry run. They saw exactly how many people held out in the end – very, very few of us.
When the Vaxpässen are announced in their next form, we are indeed going to hear fanfares of “Convenience! Safeguarding! Citizenship!”
On recent experience, most of the population are going to demand one. Resistance will, I very much fear, be futile.
That’s what people said when the Nazis rolled in.
Defeatism is not an option, mein Freund.
Good observation. It is the dopes insisting on a passport that terrifies me. We have to poison the well long before that.
Some people love having everything on their smart phones.
I consider them to be zombie making devices.
Dead right!!
Along with a cashless society it won’t be long before this will become common place the next time you try to access your bank account … we’re already seeing companies withdrawing services to those who do not hold the correct political views or who do not adhere to certain government policies …
They’re trying to get it through hoping no one notices –
“Look -a Ukranian lesser spotted squirrel”
You just know that anything Tony BLiar is in favour of is just plain wrong.
Here we go again.
Tony Blair bad.
Fauci evil.
. . . and you think that they’re not? . . .
A slight tangent, but still connected with rights and freedoms. There’s some interesting stuff about “human rights” from Amnesty, whose representative was interviewed on TalkRadio about the Rwanda immigrant deal. It’s all dreadful, in Amnesty eyes.
I mention this because, last year, I made some enquiries of Amnesty about their attitudes to certain aspects of Covid, including vaccine mandates, enforced isolation, removal of rights of association, of human existence, use of experimental “vaccines” without adequate information and consent; and so forth. It is a long list of things which I understood to be in the remit of this particular organisation which, along with Oxfam, is venerated (by some) in much the same way as the NHS.
I received no answer at all, and hours of drudgery, going through their website, revealed no particular concerns or comment about the “rights” that I describe above, especially with reference to the UK and EU countries. There was plenty of stuff about the “unfairness” of First World countries not providing billions of doses of “vaccine” for injection into the inhabitants of African countries.
And where is the queue of civil liberties organisations and lawyers challenging and suing?
Emasculated long ago. We have few prominent people making the case for any of the basics; private property, freedom of speech and freedom of association. All have been eroded over time and many young people now view all of the above as threatening.
Civil liberties organisations? Run by Soros, Gates and likes? Should they oppose their own plan? Lol.
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Proposed California bill threatens to revoke doctors’ licenses for contradicting state messaging
Doctors have already found themselves suspended for their social media posts about Covid.
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The CoE is another globalist elite sh*t show, which expelled Russia last month following Putin’s long overdue decision to recognize the two Donbass declarations and kick Nazi Ukrainian military *ss. According to all EU institutions Russia is the bad guy for having the audacity to interrupt 8 years of Kiev’s US approved relentless bombing of its eastern regions in the hope there might be a terrorist or two among the dead Russain speaking civilians.
As things stand the Council of Europe is just another undemocratic shill institution facilitating the dawn of the New German Empire (aka The 4th Reich and formerly called the EU) under Empress Ursula. Relying on such a corrupt body to grant what are (after all) ‘inalienable rights’ is vaguely hilarious, we’ll all need breathing, breeding and living licenses next.
As for these tired old vaxx arguments, its all too late. The push back should have been last year. We unvaxxed can’t (and shouldn’t) rely on governments or institutions or big corporates or media or medics to back our rightful cause; and resistance is now 100% our responsibility.
OK… what now? Another on-line petition? Another demo in Parliament Square? Like the one last Summer where some people said they would not leave until the Covid restrictions were lifted.. and then went home!
I did wonder at those who have been claiming “It’s all over!”…. and spare the melodramatics about the 5-12 year olds getting jabbed, that’s been on the cards for months.
So what do you propose, Mr Fox? You’ve constantly criticised people who have written to their MPs, protested and organized petitions. What’s your plan?
I have slammed pointless governmental petitions from the start of this Covid fiasco (and only recently on here last week). Polite middle class compliant demos with picnic baskets have become no more than a token walk in the sunshine/rain. And yes I have previously attended demonstrations (for example the 2 million plus strong anti Iraq war demos in London) only to see the government and opposition ignore them. In 2003 the Bush family’s wishes and instructions to bomb the sh*t out of Iraq and its civilians prevailed on the back of the WMD lie. I guess any lingering faith in UK democracy vanished then.
There’s no melodramatics from me, just a simple boneheaded belief that vaxxing anyone with experimental gene therapy is WRONG – as has been declared as such since the Nuremberg Code. So if you think its OK to condemn humans to be medical guinea pigs then I guess that must be your true politics showing through.
Nope – agree with you. I think the people should have ‘risen’ and stopped this Covid scam/fraud/circus two years ago.
It is, frankly, terrifying to me, to still see almost everyone walking around with face masks on.
Most people on this site have their head screwed on right… but many are old fossils, and real resistance will not come from talk alone.
There are too few of those who see what this is all about, and everyone is scared of being fingered by the Police and being carted off to one of the new prisons (operated by Serco!).
It’s a really crappy situation. The only way seems to be not to take the ‘vaccines’ if you can avoid it… but how to escape the cost of petrol, electricity, heating, gas, water, NI contributions… and still the dinghies arrive on the southern shores of England.
I see the ‘New Society’ here in Helsinki – 90% ‘foreigners/migrants’ on the Metro now. Somalis everywhere. Finnish bus drivers and taxi drivers have been replaced by all manner of Ali Babas. Cheap labour is the name of the ‘Diversity is our strength’ game, and it’s ugly.
Finland’s culture is being wiped out.
A very different city to what it was 30 years ago.
I think this is grossly unfair – and bear in mind this is coming from a commenter whose views (especially on vaxx and DS editorial policy) have annoyed, and continue to annoy, quite a few folks on here. In fairness what you unrealistically expect from DS commenters is simply impossible on a website such as this. Also I perceive an overall nervousness BTL in the light of upcoming UK legislation (particularly the Online Safety Bill) that websites such as this (and other outlets such as UK Column or 21st Century Wire) could find themselves stymied at the very least and perhaps banned altogether by Ofcom.
While the ATL editorial policy can at times be frustrating and anodyne, there is no doubt that there is much to be learned BTL – with links I would never otherwise have known about. Indeed the very commenter providing the link might not even be someone I would usually see eye to eye with.
Changes in UK culture have taken a lot of keeping up with – there are parallel realities in place. It is now possible to meet an old friend that you would previously enjoy a good craic with, yet after two years of overt totalitarian government (and the seismic social and cultural changes this has brought about) one finds that there is no longer anything in common.
I mention all this only because you need to realise the dynamic at work here in the UK, and why a traditionally cautious and (small c) conservative nation has reacted as it has, This in turn might help explain the reticence in many otherwise worthy commenters to openly commit to any view or course of action that would put the forum at risk. However I am sure that each commenter, in their own way, is doing their very best outside of the DS ‘talking shop’ to push back against the narrative!
Some of their cities may be wiped out by the Russians if they join NATO!
“Nope – agree with you. I think the people should have ‘risen’ and stopped this Covid scam/fraud/circus two years ago.”
OK EF – but you still haven’t told everyone how they should do it.
If that is what you think needs to happen then why are you not directing the masses as to what should be done to oppose it if you think that the marches/petition signing/letters to MPs aren’t cutting it?
Over a day has elapsed now and I’m still waiting for your Big Idea.
I have no ‘big idea’ as I know there would be no-one to help out. I think all the surveillance has put a stop to any real action. It is morbidly interesting to see how this Covid nonsense rumbles on. I’ve seen plenty of face masks in Helsinki city centre today. It’s not normal. Society has become very sick – and it’s not from a virus.
Have you been round to the home of the Finnish PM for a quiet word?
Now would be a good time – before you get your call-up papers.
You’re deflecting your own lack of real action in an attempt to make someone else look bad.
See you in the gulag…. hey, maybe you’ll be first in ??!!
EF PLEASE PO
How rude!
What did the Church of England expel Russia from exactly?
I deliberately shortened it to CoE and not CofE to avoid the inevitable joke, but I guess some responses are unavoidable.
When ‘non-essential’ shops re-opened in 2020, my OH dispatched me to IKEA to buy a couple of shelving units. I stopped at the cashpoint to withdraw £60, and joined the sizeable queue. Half way around the queue I noticed the CARD ONLY signs plastered everywhere. I should have walked there and then, but my OH had instructed me not to return home without shelving units. She wasn’t messing about.
I used my card (which I never do) and returned home with 2 shelving units, albeit now overdrawn by £60. After reading about IKEA not paying full sick pay to their unjabbed staff, I have not returned since. On a side note, the LIDL around the corner used to have self-service tills that accepted cash. These are now CARD ONLY too. The alternative is to checkout queue to pay cash for a few middle aisle items.
I joined a queue to pay for some items in a shop last week when suddenly payment at the checkout came to a halt because the card payment system had stopped working – the queue was growing and so were peoples impatience so the staff opened up another till for cash payment only … I paid in cash and was out of the shop within a couple of minutes – meanwhile those who could only pay by card or using there fancy contactless iPhones were still standing there in the queue – all wondering what to do now the payment system was down and they didn’t have cash.
The beauty and simplicity of cash can never be replaced.
Indeed. I would have laughed in their faces upon exiting.
Same thing happened to me recently. Oh how much I totally enjoyed the smug feeling of handing over my antiquated paper notes and completing the transaction in seconds after having to wait for over 54 minutes for the guy in front to get a signal on his iPhone to make payment.
You spent your last £60 on shelving units?
Yes, the last £60 in my current account. I was getting paid the very next day, so it was a risk I was willing to take.
Why overdrawn by £60? Did you have no money at all in your account?
So how were you going to withdraw £60 from the ATM? Makes no sense.
Anyway, IKEA sells nothing but crap, shame on you for even going there.
I will explain it in simple terms for you, OK?
My current account balance was £60. I then withdrew £60.
Upon arrival at IKEA my current account balance was £0.
I paid for shelving units on my card for £60.
Thus, I was then £60 overdrawn. Do you comprehend this?
By the way, my OH quite likes crap from IKEA!
Why didn’t you use a credit card?
I do not have a credit card, and I rarely (if ever) pay using a debit card. CASH IS KING.
I’ve only got one credit card and always pay it off each month.
But it’s better to use a CC online than a DC.
And since I’ve been self-employed I find it really helpful to avoid going overdrawn.
Yep, cash is best when you’re in a physical shop, but isn’t paying with a CC preferable to going overdrawn?
I get paid every month and wait for the direct debit bills to come out. I then withdraw the remaining balance in cash and put it in my wallet. I try not to spend it all before next pay day. I can’t say I’ve ever considered getting a credit card.
If you’d had a credit card you wouldn’t have gone overdrawn.
No big deal going overdrawn if one has an overdraft.
“and returned home with 2 shelving units, albeit now overdrawn by £60.”
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Why did you report it as a problem if it wasn’t?
It was a minor inconvenience. If IKEA were accepting cash, I wouldn’t have had to go overdrawn. What’s your problem?
How much does an overdraft cost? £25/day?
Your name is Rishi Sunak and I claim my £10.
I wonder why you got 5 downticks for that reasonable question. Bizarre.
The only sensible course of action with EF is to ignore the See You Next Tuesday. A deplorable example of humanity.
Indeed. I am sensing that Nearhorburian is a SYNT too.
Ha ha!
You had not explained you actually withdrew £60 from the ATM. Now we know.
And how much will a £60 overdraft cost, with the bank charges… horrifying to even contemplate.
Hey. I have very worryingly noticed the NHS are offering PERMANENT jobs as ‘Vaccine Passport Managers’ with annual sorties in excess of 45000 . There are many of these. I think it is linked on hero to zero Twitter feed which I got to through Mr James Dellingpole.
They are embedding this attack on our privacy and liberty whilst everyone is watching the sad Ukraine.
We are like lambs to the slaughter at the behest of the illiberal corrupt political elites.
As much as I very much admire and like Mr Toby Young! I cannot hold my nose and vote conservative like he is probably suggesting. They need to be in the stocks not in parliament. They are turning my stomach daily with there inept unforgivable decisions in every aspect of our country … every aspect.
You are in a pause only. New normal activities will resume soon. At least you are aware unlike most.
Obviously they will aim to extend their reach. Anyone with half a brain is expecting a moderately quiet summer, the first rumblings of a new variant in Autumn, then full covid-22 before Christmas.
I’m confident they are watching Singapore right now and taking notes. So stock up on food while you can. And buy a jumper since they’ll be rationing energy too.
In mist of the supermarkets in Leeds at the self check outs we have those awful cameras, with those demonic graphics eye boggling QR squares. I put a bag over the whole thing or cover the camera with a sticker. When I told the assistant that Asda did not have the right to film and they did not have my permission ( I was not unkind to her!!!!) she said “or well it’s what we have to do now, we can’t do anything about it” I said I can and put the bag over the top of it. I feel the majority of folk have lost their sense of ‘personal agency’ they are zombie like. Including the majority of those I know, they are like the people in The Time Machine brains asleep.
I think this is correct. It also has a great deal of literature to back it up. The concept of learned helplessness is well established. It can be a subtle process, but boils down to a simple observation: people learn to be powerless when that message is constantly reinforced. That is why your demonstration of agency is important, putting a bag over a camera etc. Some watching may learn, and that is the beginnings of their escape.
The same phenomenon is important with mask wearing. If mandates come back it is important to resist and provide a little courage to those who need it.
All of this is anathema to those in government. Their goal is maximum dependency for the maximum number.
Thanks for your reply .. I always leave the bag. So that they have to physically remove it themselves.
Not sure how we are going to stop this. The poor younger generations like my grandchildren will be .. imprisoned by brainwashing. The children under five nursery rhymes have monotoned voices with no notes or pitch .. brainwashing… characters like pepper pig that morph into that awful Roblox later … gamer children sat in front of screens ..even on holiday .. at dinner tables… in bed … on meta .. all controlled… and never to know the joy and liberty that ‘personal agency’ can give .. sad. I am unpopular enough can’t think what else to do to stop this destruction of goodness. I mentor in schools and the children are transfixed with all of this, when it is taken away they tantrum and get angry . The love of playing in nature has been replaced by playing in a screen on Minecraft. Cognitively damaging and dumbing of their natural senses ready for digital ID lives . As they are drugged by the screen.
I agree. Drugged by the screen is close to the truth. But so are many parents.
The saddest thing I see is parents in cafes glued to their phones while some little tot is trying to get their attention. I feel like taking them to one side and giving them a talking to. You get one chance to raise your kids you fool.
It is demoralizing. But all the more reason to continue your poly bag terror campaign
I especially like the fact you just leave it there. I’m going to start doing that too.
I have an elderly rellie who has a bad case of ipad addiction.
Last time I visited I had to gently point out, as they picked up the ipad to start swiping on it, “another human being in the room, we could have a conversation and you could do that after I my visit is over”.
While that is true, it is not so extreme with kids living in more agricultural areas, like here in Wales. At least here some get to get dirty, build a den etc, all the things that most of us on here took for granted. I was an 80s kid.
Yes … good get mud on your clothes.. god forbid.
I agree. And all the usual opposition parties are as bad or worse.
Support the Libertarian Party.
https://www.libertarianpartyuk.com/post/why-so-little-fear
Maajid Nawaz was the only person on a mainstream Radio Station that I know of who was pointing this stuff out (LBC Radio). As we know, he lost his position for rightly criticising the ‘Booster’, saying that he will not take it.
Maajid Nawaz is one to rely on for investigation like a proper journalist.
Don’t worry, Mr Johnson said …”“if i am ever asked, on the streets of london, or in any other venue, public or private, to produce my id card as evidence that i am who i say i am, when i have done nothing wrong and when i am simply ambling along and breathing god’s fresh air like any other freeborn englishman, then i will take that card out of my wallet and physically eat it …
Seeing him eat a digital id card will be interesting.
That’s why they’ll call it a health passport or some similar thing. It will only gradually morph into an ID card.
Remember, they want you to need a government ID to use the internet.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/imperial-conquest-americas-long-war-against-humanity/5364215
The purpose of warfare is not conquest per se. The US lost the Vietnam war, but the ultimate objective was to destroy Vietnam as a sovereign country. Vietnam together with Cambodia today constitute a new impoverished frontier of the global cheap labor economy.
The imperial project is predicated on economic conquest, implying the confiscation and appropriation of the wealth and resources of sovereign countries. In the Middle East, successive wars have been geared towards the confiscation of oil and gas reserves.
Countries are destroyed, often transformed into territories, sovereignty is foregone, national institutions collapse, the national economy is destroyed through the imposition of “free market” reforms under the helm of the IMF, unemployment becomes rampant, social services are dismantled, wages collapse, and people are impoverished.
The ruling capitalist elites in these countries are subordinated to those of the US and its allies. The nation’s assets and natural resources are transferred into the hands of foreign investors through a privatization program imposed by the invading forces.
Good analysis of the political goals of the forces behind this global coup against the nation state and democratic traditions.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/imperial-conquest-americas-long-war-against-humanity/5364215
US Sponsored Wars and Military Intelligence Operations
This entire period (1945- present) has been marked by a succession of US sponsored wars and military-intelligence interventions in all major regions of the World.
We are not dealing with piecemeal military operations pertaining to specific countries and regions: There is a military roadmap, a sequence of military operations. Non-conventional forms of intervention including State sponsored terrorist attacks rather than theater war have also been launched.
America’s war is a cohesive and coordinated plan of Worldwide military conquest which serves dominant financial and corporate interests. The structure of alliances including NATO is crucial.
The European Union plays a central role in this military agenda. The member states of the EU are allies of the Anglo-American axis, but at the same time, a restructuring process is occurring within the EU, whereby previously sovereign countries are increasingly under the jurisdiction of powerful financial institutions.
The imposition of the IMF’s deadly economic reforms on several European countries is indicative of America’s interference in European affairs. What is at stake is a major shift in EU political and economic structures, whereby member states of the EU are de facto re-categorized by the IMF and treated in the same way as an indebted Third World country.
The purpose of warfare is not conquest per se. The US lost the Vietnam war, but the ultimate objective was to destroy Vietnam as a sovereign country. Vietnam together with Cambodia today constitute a new impoverished frontier of the global cheap labor economy.
During the Plandemic the billions taken by Governments including the Uk Government, from middle class small businesses which they deliberately destroyed, this money was hande over to the oligarchs and their rich , elite club friends. You small business owner, your standing in society, your hard work, was trashed so that a few already very, very rich people could become richer.
Those of you who took the experimental, still emergency authorised trial vaccines because you trusted your government and the big Pharma boys, you are now able to see for yourselves the initial pages released of the trial data, which shows by Pfizer themselves, that it destroys your immune system, it causes heart problems especially in the young, it kills and damages babies, and no tests were carried out on effects on fertility, or long term damage, So a sword of Damaclese has been placed over you and your childrens heads. When will you get ill?, how will the damage take shape?, when will it appear?
This all done in the name of tranferring your lifes work and money to a few people who already have so much money they cannot spend it, all this done so Governments and the “Health industry” and vested interests such as Gates, Fauci, and Blair can suck your and your childrens freedom, and bodily autonomy away from you, so that they can mentally ma—-b–e over the powet they have over you.
Are you all going to lie down and accept this? or are you going to get angry and rebel?
Ditch twitter, facebook, Amazon, Google etc, do not obey, do not take anymore of their poisons, sue them for the damage they have inflicted on you and your childrens bodies, and NEVER vote for these bought and paid for political parties ever again.
Yes Hester correct
I will vote if I can find an alternative.That way they are held more to account as they can see the numbers pro actively turning away rather than they see it as just voter apathy .?It has to be a transparent rejection.
But… it’s all just a cock-up, right? Lockdown and restrictions were a big mistake – so I’m always told, whether it’s here or on GB News.
No. We’re living through what must be the biggest conspiracy ever cooked up and the last few weeks has shown a shift towards making our movement more difficult.
Just look at how they’re literally breaking down our modes of transport: Cruising is gone, airliners short staffed so face disruption, major train disruption due to the inexplicable decision to do maintenance on a sunny double bank holiday.
And GB News presenters spent considerable time today suggesting we stop using our cars so much to stop bank holiday road congestion.
We need to invoke the spirit of the orange Tango man, and give a giant slap of reality to sceptics who maintain this is political opportunism/cock-up.
Covid is a hoax, the fake vaccine a two-pronged mechanism to apply conformity/digital ID and illness/death. Lockdown applied for the same reason.
Take a few minutes to re-watch the WEF Great Reset ‘predictions’ video and note how much of it is already becoming true…
“major train disruption due to the inexplicable decision to do maintenance on a sunny double bank holiday.”
Thereby forcing a lot of people into private cars. I thought there was supposed to be a govt sponsored “climate emergency”?
The lack of joined up thinking doesn’t stack up.
Call me old-fashioned, but I don’t want the state to know where, when and on what I spend my money. I rarely use cash, usually just to tip my barber, but that doesn’t mean I would be prepared to use a CBDC. Neither do I use the digital wallet on my phone, preferring to use a physical card.
Those organisations such as the WEF and even the UN are truly evil in their intent. Only mass resistance, hopefully aided by a true British government, can save us from the imposition of a truly dystopian state on us and our descendants, both living and yet to be born. We not only have to resist but we must win the war against us which has being openly declared by such organisations.
Sorry. Engineer, but where do you think the “true British government” you refer to is going to come from?
I don’t see one coming along any time soon.
Some very thoughtful in depth comments on here but I think we can safely dismiss it; if it is championed by one Tony Blair
We all live in permanent anxiety. This will be ramped up. First by those who cannot or dare not use the digital because the are unjabbed and secondly by those jabbed who just may do or say something that the authorities disagree with.
The very saddest and frightening reality is most of the people (and specially the young) will believe the new system gives them more freedom and more opportunities. The language the devil uses is always that of encouragement and convenience when he creates serfdom, cruelty and death.
What happens if you lose your phone for any reason?
Indeed Judy!!
Had to recently endure a long and caustic lecture from someone about the convenience of having digital money and doing all payments from their phone and how the cash I was trying to hand over in the form of gifts was just a nuisance frankly.
Then two weeks later one of their kids got a bit ‘merry’ when out and “lost his coat” (with his phone in it). Fat lot of good having all his money on his phone was going to do for him then.
We have to fight back with hard cash every chance we get.
You’ll end up with a huge phone bill if it was unlocked.
All those contacts details gone… your ‘Vaccine Passport’ gone, all those photos gone, all those apps gone.
People are so attached to their phones now that losing it is a disaster.
“For the first time, citizens would be able to use a European Digital Identity wallet, from their phone, that would give them access to services in any region across Europe.”
Many of us don’t use or carry a personal mobile phone: especially the elderly, the impoversished, some foriegn visitors and tourists from e.g Africa, and the very young, and in any case, they are always running flat on battery or having technical problems with signals and networks, so this would be unworkable and highly discriminatory:
Personally I think its a basic non-starter for that reason.
Which is exactly what they are intended to be and why they must be resisted at all costs before we end up being beaten and herded around by freaks in Hazmat suits masquerading as ‘police ‘ like the shocking images we are now seeing from China.
Global Fascism is not a pretty sight!
We must not let he sheep lead us into darkness!