The Government has added further confusion to mask-wearing requirements after July 19th today. While there will be no “legal compulsion” to wear a mask in England when the final stage of the lockdown roadmap is reached, people will continue to be “expected to wear masks in indoor enclosed spaces”, according to Vaccines Minister Nadim Zahawi. He is quoted in the Guardian.
I think it’s important that we remain cautious and careful and the guidelines that we’ll set out tomorrow will demonstrate that, including guidelines that people are expected to wear masks in indoor enclosed spaces.
And of course to remain vigilant with your hands and face and just remember that we all act responsibly as we did with the vaccination program. …
We can come together and deal with this pandemic in a way that is responsible, by thinking about our own actions and how they impact other people, including people who may be immunocompromised.
Whether or not people are guided by this “expectation”, masks will still need to be worn in a number of settings as businesses have been told they will be allowed to set their own rules.
Stop Press: The Vaccines Minister has also denied reports this morning that the gap between Covid vaccine doses will be cut down to four weeks. He told Sky News: “The eight-week interval offers that additional fortification in terms of protection with the two doses much better than having the interval shortened any further.”
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F*** off – I really have no more constructive comment.
“We expect you to fashion your own chains.”
And pay for em, as well.
In the circumstances that is an appropriately constructive comment.
Succinct and to the point. Nothing more to be said.
Iv copied Richy M 99 from main comments section – i watch the full interview yesterday and its explosive! the firsy 12 minutes will have you hooked…
For those who don’t tend to read the comments ATL, a link was posted yesterday to a conversation between David Martin, whose role within his company is to investigate possible violations of the 1925 treaty forbidding use of toxic, chemical or biological weapons, and Reiner Fullmich.
David Martin provides what, for me, is the most compelling and verifiable evidence to date, that SARS – Covid is a synthetic, manufactured and patented product, with multiple patents dating back to 2003, applied for by the CDC in the USA.
He also provides persuasive testamony that what we are experiencing, is a deliberate and pre-planned attempt to introduce a global pan- coronavirus vaccine to the worlds population for no lesser purpose than profit. He lays out very clearly, a case that suggests that over the past year, with the backing and support of the WHO no less, the world has suffered from a genocidal event.
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/dr-david-martin-dr-reiner-fuellmich-july-9-2021_RlmKScwsMf6ATEG.html
The full dossier of David Martin’s evidence.
https://f.hubspotusercontent10.net/hubfs/8079569/The%20FauciCOVID-19%20Dossier.pdf
THIS SHOULD BE HEADLINES.
part 2 of Richy’s post….
Two notable quotes from the evidence.
“We need to increase public understanding of the need for medical countermeasures such as a pan-corona virus vaccine. A key driver is the media, and the economics will follow the hype. We need to use that hype to our advantage to get to the real issues. Investors will respond if they see profit at the end of the process.”
Dr Peter Daszak, 2015 (who was charged with investigating the possible outbreak from the Wohan lab)
“We need to have a coordinated global experience of a respiratory pathogen release, which by September 2020, must put in place, a universal capacity for public relations management, crowd control and the acceptance of a universal vaccine mandate.”
Taken From A World At Risk. – A scenario put together by the World Health Organisation in September 2019, and the language of an intentional release of a respiratory pathogen was written into the scenario which “must be in place by September 2020”.
just fast forward through the translations
I believe every word of that and wonder how they introducted ‘Covid’? Was it via the 2019 flu ‘vaccine’?
……and wonder how they introducted ‘Covid’? Was it via the 2019 flu ‘vaccine’?
In terms of circumstantial evidence it seems much more than a possibility and gives us a workable explanation of why the old were particularly at risk from this “alleged” novel coronavirus. Doc Martin needs to watch his back, but I suspect he know that.
Thanks for pushing it even further. The further the better.
There is one other thing that struck me, but only hours after watching the video.
In 2002, with tens of thousands of Americans supposedly in the Middle East to teap revenge for 9/11, a number of biological terrorist attacks took place in New York and DC involving anthrax sent through the post. It created major public panic in the US.
The investigation into the worst biological agent attacks in US history was conducted by two postal service officials. Almost as if they already knew who the perpetrators were but didn’t want anyone else discovering the truth.
Definitely the wow! factor in this interview.
What I don’t understand is: what was going on in Wuhan in Nov 19- Jan 20 if this was not a new pathogen, and it was designed by US scientists (apart from Daszak) ? What’s with all the deaths, people walled-up at home and disinfecting the streets?
If a bioweapon was being formulated by the US using a Coronavirus as a vector, would you entrust it’s details to China?
I get that the lab-leak is looking like a red herring (just when it was gaining traction) but does it get China and Xi off the hook entirely?
Just had time to see this all the way through.
WOW!!! US Patent Office information on public record of insider dealing, the lawyers will get them on this. But it will take years.
I have always maintained that sitting in Thailand I knew the ‘lets panic’ mesage was sent from the US in March 2020. Nowhere else has the capability to get nations across the world to act in unison like they did.
Its filthy lucre driving it, but led by evangelical beliefs like Fauci’s; joined by DARPA ( and god only knows what that means is in these injections). And now of course silicon valley pushing their vision of ‘reset’ with their AI , climate change fanatics and Big Finance just loving it.
Resist as much as you can, this is going to uphill for a long time.
Watched it last night and it’s mind-blowing, what some will do for money!
Another key point Dr Martin makes at the outset is that there is NO novel coronavirus, which has been the myth upon which the vaxx scam had been predicated by a compliant MSM. Likewise there are no isolated beta/delta/lambda variants (these are simply overlapping / contiguous digital sequences being read from different start/end points), and again these are just devices to frighten people into rolling up their sleeves.
Add this info to a previous paper from Dsalud, November 2020, I quote from an unofficial translation:
Full translated report:
http://philosophers-stone.info/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/The-scam-has-been-confirmed-Dsalud-November-2020.pdf
Wow!
I see that , amongst other things, Dr Martin points out that Moderna patented a key process that they then morphed into their “vaccine” a long time BEFORE SARS COV 2 was unleashed by whatever cause onto the world: “Discuss”
It is indeed explosive! It’s meticulously laid out, suggests layer upon layer of racketeering, deception, full knowledge by the protagonists that the “vaccine” spike protein is a highly malleable bio weapon, known to be such since 2005.
Fauci funded research in 1999 to CREATE the original SARS virus as evidenced by patent application in April 2002, ie the original SARS was created and patented BEFORE the SARS outbreak in Asia later in 2002. The Fauci funding was to “create an infectious replication-defective coronavirus specifically targeted for human lung epithelium”.
I watched this last night while I was cooking dinner. My head was reeling and I need to watch it again. I even told a non-sceptic about it at bellringing today and she agreed to look at it. I don’t know why I was so shocked but every now and again something pops up which reminds you of the level of madness surrounding this whole business. (And I don’t mean “madness” equates to “stupidity”.)
Decided to look for myself at the patents. Sure enough, first reference and look who is owner is:
https://abg-ip.com/coronavirus-patents/
It is indeed and excellent interview, truly shocking, I think people in UK and America believe we are too decent, too moral to have our own Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin. Each of these men and their followers allowed the deaths of millions in persuit of their own idea of a perfect society, the horrors they unleashed could not have been achieved without the support of others and this includes the ordinary people, the men and women who knew what was going on but through fear, or just plain belief in the ideology let these “leaders” do these terrible things.
Why is it so impossible for us to believe that we can produce such people ourselves in our own society? Why is it so hard to accept that Gates, Fauci, Schwab, Johnson, Merkel etc are not involved in an ideology that they believe will create a btter world? One in which the population is controlled via enforced medical technology, which in turn keeps the Pharma industry going and creates rich rewards for the investors, meanwhile the depopulation of the planet, fits the eco bill. The Locking up and Locking down and introduction of passports heralds the Chinese behavioural control model, thus preventing those that do not perform as the ideal citizen are punished vis removal of freedoms. These Men believe themselves to be Gods, just as Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao and Stalin did. What is being done under the cover of Covid is equally as destructve and cruel to the human race, and once again the people are complicit either through fear, or the belief in the ideology these Men are pushing. It is going to be very difficult to remove these creatures, so strong is their grip, but for the sake of the future of humanity we must resist and take these people down.
VERDICTFalse. The patents presented in this video dpertain to an older, different strain of coronavirus (SARS-CoV).
One of the main points of the video is that Sars CoV 2 doesn’t differ in any way from the original patented Sars CoV. It is not novel, all the supposedly novel elements were already described in numerous patents and so it effectively *is* the original Sars CoV.
Lame!
I recommend with no reservations reading the dossier which appears anything but dodgy; I have no knowledge of this person, but what his dossier explains in great detail is compelling and utterly scary imho
And may I recommend Del Bigtree’s interview with Ms Mikowits on the HighWire – this will put Dr Martin’s dossier into even sharper relief, as she relates the events from the time of the AIDS/HIV retrovirus period and the efforts of US scientists to produce a workable vaccine. Some of the “actors” appear to be involved in both events ( which also appear to run into each other in some ways?) – the most chilling appears to be the involvement of Dr Anthony Fauci in both periods?
This is his resume. Not a person to make things up. Nor someone governments ignore. In many ways its amazing he has broken ranks, obviously a man of principles.
https://www.wipo.int/meetings/en/2006/scp_of_ge_06/speakers/martin.html
A lot of this is in the documentary ‘Plandemic’ from last year.
Well, if the Nazis had made the Hitler salute voluntary, people would of course still be expected to do it, and they better did.
Same here.
And absolutely nothing to do with ‘health’.
Wow what a clueless bunch of idiots.
B*lls to that, and all the rest of the muck they spout. I’m immuno -compromised and only I am responsible for MY health. No one else. This is all about social approval and is pushing us into the new state of communitarianism. It’s absolutely NOTHING to do with health.
It’s important that all those who can should make their voices heard at Parliament Square on Monday 19th July.
Mr Zahawi get out of the Westminster bubble as it is obvious you have clearly not been out and about in London where virtually no one wears masks anymore. Also much reduced wearing on public transport.
Was just there visiting and was encouraged to see the decreased compliance.
Zahawi is the best friend of Matt Hancock, they wrote a book together, Hancock gave Zahawis son an internship, Zahawi invested money off shore for Hancocks brother. They are joined at the hip
“YouGov was founded in the UK in May 2000 by Stephan Shakespeare and future Conservative MP Nadhim Zahawi. In 2001 they engaged BBC political analyst Peter Kellner, who became chairman, and then from 2007 to 2016, President.”
Circles within circles.
Indeed. In South Australia just a week ago when we were all ‘strongly urged’ by the government and the propaganda organs to wear masks on public transport and when ‘out in public’ (in response to a Covi-scare about zero, yes zero, ‘cases’!), very few did. On the bus, and on the street, I was counting ‘human, human, human, zombie, human, human, human, zombie, human, human ……..’. Unmasked humans were winning in a landslide. Without the threat of a hefty fine, people were voting with their faces. You might just be surprised at how soon people recover their humanity when they are allowed to. Here’s hoping for the citizens of the Mother Country.
Cheers,
Phil, South Australia
Great to hear an uplifting story from the Dominions. All we tend to hear is how bloody awful it is in Australia and Canada!
I noticed a big drop on the tubes. When I visited in April, it was 100% compliance apart from me. When I visited in late June, there were freefacers everywhere. Not a majority by any means, but at least one in every tube carriage that I saw on the journey. Quite a few chinners as well, which is usually the sign of someone who only pays lip service to the rule rather than a True Believer.
‘additional fortification’
Top bullshit from a top bullshiter
Went to the toy shop with the kids yesterday. At least half the people in the store were maskless. It was great to see. Not a peep from the security guard when I walked in. They gave up ages ago
You can palpably sense our bold libertarian government breaking free
When Zahawi’s lips are moving, you know he’s……
A corrupt despotic traitor using WuGuv to push the Mandarin Empire’s orders onto us as though they were our own thoughts?
He does look like Ming
….channelling his Ming the Merciless persona. Where the heck is Flash Gordon when you need him?
One of the original founders of YouGov. Go figure.
See, it’s not the government that’s making muzzles mandatory, it’s just the choice of private businesses (once they get the unofficial call suggesting that it will be best for them if they choose to do so).
Although, plot twist, once Zahawi tells you WuGuv what to tell us that we think, and the Celtic Fringe mayors get to yapping and snarling, it’s entirely conceivable that our “libertarian” government might once again “reluctantly” renege and keep the mass criminalisation on the books in England.
In either case, it’ll all be back again with the first cough in the Autumn, along with a rapid mission creep of Social Credit Score apps being demanded for entry into pubs, to non-essential, and then Supermarkets To Save Christmas.
Expect all you like, a**eholes.
Let those who are immunocompromised continue to wear masks if they wish. Anyone with an immune issue has always had to be careful when colds and flu are about. Not nice for them but it’s just the way it’s always been.
I am, and the last thing I need to do is clamp a bacteria-ridden Petri dish of damp filth across my face. Especially when it’s supposed to protect others! Honestly, I’ve just been living life normally, breathing normally and all the rest. I don’t want anyone tip-toeing around me at all! My health is my responsibility. But over the last year I’ve heard many a hysterical bleat, usually from the masked up, complain that “people are too close!” and “I have a CONDITION!” ‘
I suggest not repeating phrases like “supposed to protect others”, as they’re propaganda BS. There’s a very small minority of “mask fanatics” who believe that more people wearing masks in public will “protect” them in some unspecified, magic way. The majority of the others are just also included in the “others” group.
However, this is just a firmly held belief of them. Circumstantial evidence from all other the world strongly suggests that it’s nonsense. And it’s impossible to verify experimentally: We cannot ever know if mask do or don’t work as “source control”. Hence, this is perfectly in line with any other religious tenet: Some people are very much convinced of it. But by their nature, their claims can neither be proven nor disproven.
If people are worried about others without masks the always have the option to keep 2m away, it worked well enough last summer.
Unfortunately, this translates into loathsome zombies curtly ordering human beings to ‘stand aside because you’re making me feel uncomfortable, waaah waaah baaah baaah.’ Hopefully, soon they won’t have any laws or guidelines on their side.
If they did work as source control, this would have shown up on the infection graphs in the couple of weeks following mask mandates as a change in trajectory. No such change was visible in any country or state – indeed, it’s impossible to tell from the graphs whether a country had any restrictions at all…
Maybe. That’s what I meant with “circumstantial evidence strongly suggests”. But that’s not technically a proof.
True, but it’s very difficult to prove a negative. The onus is on those claiming they work to demonstrate this – they’ve had a year and have completely failed to do so.
As I already wrote: Proving this is impossible as there’s a way to measure “infection” but no way to measure where an “infection” came from in a real-world setting.
In my opinion, that also very much the point of this claim: It’s meant to be impossible to prove or disprove.
Beside the point – if you can’t establish a hypothesis, then the null hypothesis stands.
Basic ‘science’ – if you’re actually ‘following’ it.
No other than Chief Medical Officer Chris Witless backs up what you say about the alleged effectiveness of masks. Ok, it was March 2020 and there has been an ongoing monumental increase in the eruption of corruption – but nevertheless, he said it!
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-uk-news-professor-chris-whitty-no-masks-advice-a9374086.html%3famp
How terribly irresponsible of you! We’re all supposed to go around with these useless rags on our faces “To Protect the NHS” ,and stop it from being “overwhelmed”. It makes more sense to wear a large saucepan or bucket on your head, and then it’s handy for ad hoc banging to congratulate “Our NHS”.
Ah yes, “Our NHS”, another of those annoying nudge-unit phrases.
I’m sure I’m not alone here in having a significantly reduced opinion of the NHS after the way they’ve been behaving over the past 18 months.
Loathed them already, before the bollox started.
Now, there are no words to express what I think.
I know, I’m so ashamed really, but I think I’m over it.
I did start off with a bucket over the head, just to be extra “safe” but I kept giving myself a headache every Thursday night!
It’s a whole new slant on “tinn-itus”. I find that a decent red wine, taken medicinally, can help with night and evening skullaches. It can lead to regret at daybreak.
Apart from a few orientals, I don’t believe I’ve ever seen a single person wearing a face nappy outside of a hospital or similar clinical context in the UK in my life. And my life has been reasonably extensive.
Snap!
I’ve seen farmers wearing them while driving combines back before they had cabs, to keep out the dust (“farmer’s lung”), and demolition workers.
There used to be a helmet with a fan which sucked air through a filter at the back and blew it over your face behind a visor. I’m surprised they didn’t make a comeback.
The pro-maskers like to say ‘it’s normal in South East Asia to wear masks’. It’s not exactly ‘normal’ and it’s certainly not the majority. I’ve travelled in Thailand, HK and Vietnam before this boll*x and hardly ever saw any masks. If you did it was normally Japanese tourists.
You’ll be even more immunocompromised if you wear a damaging mask! What a daft comment.
Dr. Robert Malone, Inventor of mRNA technology discusses the Spike Protein | Interview – YouTube
Watch after 15 minutes, easy to understand information.
It’s been removed for violating Youtube’s guidelines!
They cannot even allow the inventor of mRNA vaccine platforms a voice!
He made the science easy to understand and clarified the controversies with nothing has been proved or disproved.
More science needs to be done.
“Removed for violating community guidelines.”
50% of people still want to wear masks.
WELL, STAY AT HOME, CREEPS, AND THE REST OF US WILL HAVE TWICE THE SPACE.
Basically my thought. If you want to wear a symbolic badge indicating that you’re an ignorant fuckwit – that’s your privilege. Or you can stay at home.
Just don’t try to co-opt me into your fantasy.
One of my favourite sayings I’ve heard this year is: I don’t buy into your delusions and I’m not part of your psychosis!
I refuse to supply your hysteria!
Nadim Zahawi’s own company, Yougov, are positively agitating in favour of masks and restrictions, and then he reacts with this rubbish. The government would do anything at the whim of the pollster. Specifically, Nadim needs to either be sacked or resign from Yougov or stop Yougov pro lockdown lobbying in their polls. He shouldn’t be a member of the government whilst his company are doing this. If you have any doubt that’s what they are doing then sign up for their polls on it, as I do.
From Vallance to Hancock’s pub landlord to this geezer, ‘Conflict of Interest’ could be the motto, if not the rallying cry, of the De Pfeffel Junta.
Fuck off with your face rags
So we’ll be in a situation where you have no legal obligation to wear a mask in a shop, but the shop owners will be legally allowed to refuse you entry if you don’t wear one.
My shop will have the opposite sign posted:
“Mask = No Service”
This is the kind of thing we need. But as a small minority we all need to be diligent in supporting any businesses who go out on a limb in this way. I’m actively hunting for sceptic-owned businesses in my area to direct my business towards.
It would be nice to live in a liberal society in which people made free choices in such matters, but it’s been made very clear over the past 15 months that we do not live in such a society. So:
Zero tolerance for mask wearing.
Exactly. My liberal philosophy is screaming at me to make it free choice, but such is the authoritarian madness, I need to make a stand.
I’m sure all of us will seek out such places but in sectors with a small number of large providers they will follow the “safe” path
Let’s hope people will tire of them and we reach a tipping point. It was encouraging to see almost 100% bare faced crowds at Wimbledon
“I’m sure all of us will seek out such places but in sectors with a small number of large providers they will follow the “safe” path”
Indeed, but it’s up to us to make as much noise in the other direction as the fanatics are making in the mask-pushing direction, so that the path of least resistance is not just giving in to the fanatics and requiring masks.
The biggest problem imo is that the busybodies and fanatics are doing it because they get positive personal gratification out of it, whereas we by and large would be doing it purely as an unpleasant defensive chore in response to the threat to our liberty the busybodies and panickers have created.
It’s been very clear for about 30 years, let alone 15 months…
Since I believe you are allowed to require people to show their face for security reasons, I believe no-one could legally oppose you for doing it. That is why motorcyclists are often required to remove their helmets when going in shops.
Indeed. Already an argument in my arsenal if the local N
aziLabour council ‘environmental’ officers come knocking at my doorYou’ll see lots of ‘BE KIND-WEAR A MASK’ signs on shops from the 19th. Supermarkets with ‘MASK-FRIENDLY’ signs with a smiley face (masked of course).
I’m reading Kafka at the moment, The Trial. Compared to the clown planet diktats we’re supposed to make sense of, this story seems logical and makes sense!
I’m reading Atlas Shrugged- Rand must have been clairvoyant…
Just say you are exempt should that arise!
AFAIK the Disability Discrimination Act will still apply even if it is not a legal mandate to wear a mask, so there should be exemptions just as there are at the moment. I’m not quite sure how it will work though as airlines seem to be able to impose mask wearing without exemptions (is that something to do with being in international airspace and captain’s rules applying?)
The government have been clever again
All that is really changing is they are removing the legal backstop to the mask mandates, so they can look like they are giving people a choice. Enforcement was outsourced to peer pressure and to private businesses and other bodies from the start
Yes and when ‘cases’ go up they can say ‘well we didn’t say don’t wear one’, and blame people for being irresponsible.
Good shout. No doubt they have had their behavioral scientists working on this to work out the outsourced compliance. The result should be enough that it’s very visible there is still a ‘pandemic’ in the country. With enough non mask wearers about, so they have blame for when the casedemic starts up again.
While at the same time appearing liberal to their brainwashed base.
Yep, designed to sow yet more division in society and depeen the ‘us and them’ situation which they have created between Covidians and sceptics.
Cunt
I exempted myself from mask wearing some months ago and have not had a problem anywhere, and that includes all modes of public transport in London, shops etc. If you say you’re exempt you are exempt, it’s that simple.
No ‘legal compulsion’ to wear a mask will leave only the truly afraid, Guardian readers, and Liberal Democrats wearing one. July 19th promises to be an ‘interesting’ day!
And Times readers – despite it and the Guardian being on opposite sides of the political spectrum, their readershiops seem to be completely aligned in their worship of restrictions.
It has been a long time since the Times went well left of centre.
In the 1930s, the Times was all in favour of appeasing that upright man, Herr Hitler, and de-platforming that dismal Jonah, Winston Churchill.
Have you got a Covid fever?
… and Mail readers.
… and Express illiterates
… and Sun ditto
… and Tory Party members
… and Telegraph readers
etc. etc. etc.
Sorry – this shit-show doesn’t fit into your box of favourite prejudices
Perhaps you could explain what my “box of favourite prejudices” are, because I’m afraid I’m not aware of them!
If you have a look at the newspaper comments sections, it’s clear that the Guardian and Times are most pro-restriction. The others are less so, and the Telegraph is increasingly anti-restriction.
I bet this unpleasant guy has been with his very much “extended” family whenever he wanted ever since March last year and has certainly never worn a mask unless people not belonging to it could conceivably see him. In contast to this, I’ve been forcibly separated from mine and whether or not this will ever end (I’m living in England, they’re living in Germany) is still very much open at the moment.
Hence, I don’t care what he “expects” from others.
I wish people would ignore the edicts from these world class criminals. Simply ignore their edicts, but pursue their wrongful deeds with extreme vigour and dedication. They have to pay for their crimes.
The filthy bacteria-laden rags are still “expected” in enclosed public places – like nightclubs?
…what are ‘nightclubs’?
It was a by-gone day of reckless liberty. I believe some backward states in the U.S like Florida still have some. Though them sort of states aren’t up to our purity modern compliance standards.
It’s funny how people say religion has died.
Worship is placed on SAGE.
The message is spread via the BBC, and the masses lap it up.
Orthodoxy is spearheaded via our government.
Symbolism is everywhere in society in the form of facemasks. These symbols represent the righteousness.
You won’t see these symbols in those ‘Nightclubs’ in rouge states.
Stay home. Stay safe. Stay pure.
Covidianism is actually displaying a lot of the characteristics of a religion:
central deity – NHS
prophets – Whitty, Ferguson, Sage, etc
disciples – politicians
holy texts – Imperial modelling and government “rules”
religious attire – face nappies
holy rituals – keeping 2m away from others, one-way systems
religious symbols – stripey tape
All of course arrayed against the devil in his coronavirus form.
I have been meaning to do up a sketchy drawing thing highlighting this new religion…my observations are as follows
The Clergy = government supported/funded medical and scientific experts
Mask = Cross
Vaccines = Holy Water
MSM broadcasts = Sermons/preaching
Like CR I too have thought this thing has taken on a religious type vibe with people becoming loyal true believers who can’t fathom ever questioning their new-found religion. Just follow the rules and you will all be saved…amen!!!
Vaccines Minister still ‘Expected’ to do the honourable thing and stand trial for genocide.
Sod him. I’ve already burnt any masks I ever had, I won’t be wearing one again, ever. This may only be a proxy war in the global conflict for civil liberties, but it is a front I will continue to fight on.
So what is an indoor ‘enclosed’ space?? surely indoors = enclosed so really they want masks everywhere indoors still. Why lift the legal mandate if they are going to ‘expect’ them to be worn? What’s happened to Rishi, Eustace & Javid all saying they were eager to ditch their masks!!!
Indeed.
The market will decide… Shops first and foremost want custom. Putting up unnecessary barriers to customer seems stupid to me as people will just go somewhere else. So I doubt they will bother.
A shop with a lot of bare faced customers will put many people off
That’s the perception at the moment. Hopefully as numbers of mask wearers decline that will be less true.
But experience suggests there are at last as many zero covid fanatic busybodies out there constantly harassing and nagging businesses, as there are of us, unfortunately.
But I think they’ll let people decide. But who knows.
They will follow the path of least resistance which will be some combination of encouragement and bullying but nothing that will leave them open to too much trouble
To the fuckwit that downvoted me, I am simply stating an obvious fact – at present there are a lot of frightened people out there
Indeed, the knee-jerk down vote is the mark of the incoherent fuckwit who can’t make an argument. Really they’re more at home with the Covidiots.
My finger slipped!
Perhaps not quite covidiots but I do find it bizarre that some people here are triggered so much by the pointing out of inconvenient truths.
I was mildly encouraged today on a visit to London by the number of bare faces on transport and in shops and cafes, but I fear other places with more “upstanding” citizens will lag behind.
I think the red votes kind of demonstrates ‘following the herd’ which I thought most on here were against.
I am in the Costa del Sol at the moment where the government relaxed the mask mandate for outdoor use 2 weeks ago (but recommend their use). It’s still compulsory indoors.
It’s interesting to see how people in different towns have responded to this.
In Marbella, it seems like the majority are mask – free whereas in Fuengirola, 30km away, very few are maskless in the street. The two towns are socio – economically quite different although both rely largely on tourism for their existence. Marbella probably has a larger foreign component.
Is the same thing evident in the UK? If so, what causes the difference?
Great. I’ll be straight in, then.
Bollox
Not people.
Zombies.
Only the sort of people you want to put off, ie the minority of moaning minnies who are probably a customer service nightmare anyway.
I don’t think it’s as much of a minority as some people here seem to think, but time will tell. I have observed outdoor mask wearing at between 10 and 15%. I think it’s a pretty good bet that those people really won’t want to shop with the barefaced. I think we can add a few more % on for those who are put off by being indoors with people breathing in an unhindered fashion.
My point was that shops will consider a number of factors – the hassle of enforcement, the hassle of having to take the signage down, the need to appear “safe” and follow “guidance” and “best practice” and the need to provide a pleasant experience for shoppers so that they come back. A high end boutique for example might not want a lot of signage and might prefer the “look” of staff and shoppers unmasked as it is more appealing. Tescos probably don’t much care about that and will follow the path of least resistance.
This isn’t aimed at you, Lucan, but to have attracted 29 downvotes merely for pointing out what seems to be an obvious truth, however we may disapprove, is baffling. I never downvote people. I find it childish. If you disagree with a post, reply and say why, or ignore it.
Not a single mask in Rushcliffe Park, Nottingham yesterday. Gorgeous day, lovely children running around with their parents, grandparents, dogs, cyclists,skaters, walkers all enjoying themselves. Lovely friendly people selling good coffee, tea and cakes and a girl who gave me a smile when I declined the hand sanitizer. What a lovely experience! Maybe people have had enough.
No cabinet is ever united despite collective responsibilty. I suspect that Zahawi is on the muzzling side and didn’t want them lifting. Apparently Sajid Javid the Health Secretary told The Telegraph anyone who would not wear a mask in an enclosed space was “just being irresponsible”. Where is the peer reviewed evidence that they work?
This is a review of the evidence on face mask use including peer reviewed – dated Jan of this year.
“Our review of the literature offers evidence in favor of widespread mask use as source control to reduce community transmission”
They don’t really talk about “transmission” of anything, just about various one-off observations of “perturbation effects” of cloth masks in laboratory settings.
There are also some interesting unbacked assertions throughout the text which are outright contradictory such as (paraphrase) “because the speed of ejected particles decrease with increasing distance from their source, it’s easier to filter them closer to the source than more distant from it”.
And then, this is a masks-for-all “study” which is a political lobbying group.
Are we referring to the same paper? The one I linked to is in the PNAS and refers to epidemiological and ecological data in addition to transmission studies. I can’t find the phrase “ejected particles” anywhere in the text and the only mention of masks-for-all is in the title of one of the references.
You need to broaden your research because what you are promoting is complete and utter…
BOLLOX.
Maybe you could point out where the paper is wrong?
Here’s the link again.
Broaden my research to where? The last time I got into this dispute I was pointed to a set of links that were meant to condemn masks and when you read them, on balance, they were in favour of masks.
They haven’t even got a test for CONVID rendering any study involving it utter bollocks!!….now toddle back to your sheep pen
In which case the studies that purport to show that masks make no difference must also be bollocks – true?
Oh I’m a team player. Just not on your team.
Does Nadim stand to benefit personally in any way from what he is recommending?
The trusty ‘cui bono?’ question is often answered by quite a twisted trail.
It could, however, be as simple as his significance being dependent on his tongue being right up the Tory Party’s and Johnson’s arse.
He’s ugly and wearing a mask hides his mush.
Is the Pope catholic?
Fuck. Off.
Scenes at Wimbledon and Wembley indicate mask-wearing not quite as popular as the ‘polls’ indicate!
Yes, it’s encouraging. Probably people who’ve chosen to go to an event with a big crowd are not entirely representative, and maybe the fact they’ve all supposedly been vaxxed or tested or both made them feel more comfortable, but still it shows that a lot of people really prefer not to given the choice. And it’s not as if the Wimbledon crowd (close to 100% bare faced while watching) are sceptics and claiming mask exemption as most of them seemed to be putting them on to go down the stairs to the bar/loos/exit.
You really didn’t think everything was going to go back to normal on July 19th did you?
This government has no intention of going back to pre-2020 levels of freedoms in this country – it is an authoritarian regime that has become drunk on power.
Our freedoms are not going to be given back to us – we must take them back.
Even pre-2020 wasn’t that good. We had already given away countless civil liberties. Motoring, of course, is the most glaring example of state bullying, but we have also allowed surveillance cameras, facial recognition and so on, the removal of double jeopardy protection, police strutting around with assault rifles, the emasculation of the judiciary, compulsory this, ban that, and all the rest of the oppressive shit.
Well, no I won’t be wearing a mask.
Because I’m not a psychopath or a robber. The only people that actually have a plausible reason to walk around with their faces (and identities) concealed.
This covid nonsense will only end when enough of society finally gets tired of the ridiculous and overblown panic their governments have foisted on them.
Same guy who is on record saying there will be no ‘vaccine’ passports – video proof here. I’m sure there’s been a point when this same cretin said there will be no requirement to wear masks after the faux freedom day.
That amazing word ‘guidelines’ yet again. Not law, because that would be impossible to draft and enforce. Putting business owners in the firing line, hope they remember when we get to vote again.
Have you noticed that when the control freaks tell us to wear masks they never explain why? They never tell us that Country A that has mask mandates has fared better than maskless Country B. Surely if any such evidence existed they would parrot it every time.
I used to think this was Airstrip One but perhaps it is Gilead.
This guy is a p%^ck. I got challenged at another pub door yet again today for being unmasked and leading my wife and son into a pub lunch..for about the 10th time. We have never been stopped but I do hope it gets easier when my wife and I come back from France in 3 weeks. This country is full of compliant idiots. Having said that my brother, after being sick for several days in a way he has never been sick before, now says it is admirable we did not take the jab.
8 weeks? Where did that come from? To my recollection it was 3 weeks which then got extended to 12 weeks ‘cos one dose was like, so effective and it would enable more people to get jabbed.
‘Doctor’ Tony Blair pushed for more people to be injected with a first dose, at the expense of those who had stock reserved for their 2nd injection which was supposed to follow 21 days after the first. The injection time frames were a clear part of the Pfizer vaccine trials and were in the U.K. Conditions for Temporary Authorisation of the vaccine document.
Pfizer were allegedly angry at the changed administration times up to 12 weeks for the second dose, stating their clinical trials were not based on such lengthy delays.
In effect, the U.K. government were administering the vaccine outside the Temporary Authorisation conditions!
Strangely enough, the Conditions for authorisation have been amended and that important element – 21 day timeframes – removed.
I did have have screenshots and saved files on my phone but they seem to have disappeared!
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-for-covid-19/conditions-of-authorisation-for-pfizerbiontech-covid-19-vaccine#vaccine-bnt162b2–conditions-of-authorisation-under-regulation-174–2-december-2020-amended-on-30-december-2020-28-january-2021-30-march-2021-19-may-2021-04-june-2021
There were also concerns that consent of those who had been given first injection had been invalidated, as they ‘offered their arms’ for it on the understanding there second injection would follow 21 days later.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/12/31/doctors-criticize-uk-health-officials-for-changing-pfizer-covid-vaccine-plan-.html
Never wore one before, wont wear one after. Expectations are often dashed, bad luck.
Nadhim Zawahi
Born in Iraq
Created YouGov. Gave it to his wife to run whilst he became one of Boris’ cabal.
Fiddled expenses years ago for amongst other things heating (inc. underfloor heating) for the stables for his horses.
An acquaintance sent me a link, and asked me to sign, a petition that is going round to keep face masks on public transport, to keep public transport workers “safe”, naturally. Safety is more important than anything else, after all.
No, I won’t be signing. I just ignored it.
It’s a few years since I’ve been on a bus, but I do remember that in winter they used to suffer terribly from condensation, as people hated to open the windows. I always felt that the atmosphere inside a fuggy, unventilated bus was a bit unhealthy; but I cannot say I ever caught a cold or flu as a result. Nor did I worry about it, or stop going on buses. And I’m not aware of a shortage of bus drivers as a result, not even in the flu season when passengers were often coughing or sneezing.
But come the Wuflu, and wow, we must all be hyper careful, despite the lack of evidence to show that bus drivers are at any more risk. Do people so easily forget what life was like only 2 years ago, or do they choose not to remember?
Fake minister pushes fake prevention measure shock horror.
I would urge everyone to use the exception of “distress caused by mask wearing when there is no scientific evidence to support it”
We must not be supine and permit Mask wearing to become part of identitarian politics . The good, the bad and the frightened!
If they worked why do infections go up after the mask mandate? and why the increased nosocomial (hospital) infections when everyone wears the things!!!
Masks are a Menace
We have imbeciles in government, do they not understand that non-surgical masks do more harm than good? Silly bits of cloth over your face do very little to prevent passage of the virus, and unless they are replaced after each use can build up germs and virus on their surface and make them worse than wearing nothing. They also cause retention of CO2 which reduces oxygen intake, particularly in children when they are forced to wear them for long periods.
‘People still expected to wear a mask’
last time I looked I’m a person, so f**k off and expect away!
Well Minster you can call me an irresponsible idiot who don’t care for my fellow humans but I will still be going unmasked but unlike the still masked who will tut and shout at me I will just keep a dignified silence and get on with my life
The problem with this is that the public is still not being told what the ‘science’ tells us about droplet vs aerosol transmission.
This ‘HOW DID WE GET HERE: WHAT ARE DROPLETS AND AEROSOLS AND HOW FAR DO THEY GO? A HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE ON THE TRANSMISSION OF RESPIRATORY INFECTIOUS DISEASES K. Randall AUTHORS 1, E. T. Ewing1, L. C. Marr1, J. L. Jimenez 2 ABSTRACT , L. Bourouiba 3 * ‘
Masks could be valuable in reducing transmission if two things apply, the first is that they fit snugly to the face so that all inhaled and exhaled aerosolised virus passes through the mask, and the second is that the masks trap all sub 5 micron particles that naturally evade your own ability to trap and destroy. But, of course, the eyes are not protected by the majority of enclosing face masks (NP99, FFP3) that have no goggle element.
This paper summarises what has been known for over 40 years, but has been suppressed by the current belief paradigm, that shows that particles as large as 100 microns can remain in the air as aerosols and infect those breathing it in, and that consequently there is no safe distance in still-air.
The paper also reveals that public transport adapted to increase ventilation reduces transmission, and where money has been invested in ventilation in public spaces and transport rather than test and trace, the community transmission rates are far lower.
It’s not just that though, it seems that facemasks also nebulize droplets into much smaller ones, so making any virus in droplets carried in the air penetrate the lungs much more easily. That’s why medical staff use nebulizing sprays for inhaled drug application.
Still wear face masks after 19th ? No way! If Zahawi actually looked at the DATA, he would no see any reason to do that. Moreover, he’ll notice that the UNvaxed case rate has already peaked and falling but the UNvaxed rate is rising.
Another Nudge?
It may sound trite but its worth reading Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World if you get a chance, written in 1931 (there was a very good 2020 TV series too, cancelled Oct 2020?) about a dystopian future where the population are (controlled) kept ‘happy‘ through the use of various different coloured pills.
We could be heading towards something similar if these monsters aren’t exposed.
Interesting video on Hugotalks.com how long before we’re being told to take a daily ‘booster’ pill eh?
https://youtu.be/sgxMopT6BH8
“That’s the clinical advice” from the pharmaceutical industry that has a 100% waiver/indemnity over vaccine-induced injury and death and stand to make billions in profits!! Really?
One word question Mr Zahawi, “Ivermectin?”
Businesses can set their own rules, that only means they will get on business from me, now fuck off back to your cave , plonker
Fuck off, you criminal scum bag charlatan.
Well, my wife and I from the North East of England have spent the last 10 days down in Devon, Dorset and Wiltshire. The compliance with wearing face masks is frightening. Out of every place we have visited apart from us we have seen only three other unmasked people indoors. Even outside, I’d say 60% of lunatics were masked. Fucking unbelievable!!! After all these people must have seen with the G7 summit, Hancock, UEFA and football. How can they not see they are being played? I fear for the future.