Large events with no face masks and no social distancing are just as safe as dining at a restaurant or going shopping, new data shows – so long as measures such as pre-entry Covid tests are in place. The bad news is that these findings could, according to some reports, persuade the Government to introduce vaccine passports for such events. The Times has the story.
Preliminary data from the events research programme is understood to have found that with screening, improved ventilation and other mitigating factors the risk of virus transmission can be significantly reduced, reducing fears that sports matches and concerts could cause big outbreaks.
The results will boost hopes that the end of restrictions can go ahead as planned on June 21st despite the spread of the Indian variant.
They are likely to strengthen the case for requiring “Covid-status certification” for such events to prove that those attending are at lower risk of being infectious.
The results will be forwarded to ministers in the coming days before a decision on further easing of lockdown measures due next month.
While the research programme took place before concerns over the spread of the Indian variant, it is likely to form a key plank of the Government’s plans for the reopening of society.
A Government source said the results from the trials had been encouraging and further test events were planned for the coming weeks. “We are still waiting for the final bits of data but the results so far have been very encouraging,” the source said.
“It will help make the case that these large events are not inherently more risky than other parts of the hospitality sector. It shows that there are things that you can do to make these settings as safe as other daily activities.
“It is true that they are not going to be 100% safe but you can lower the risk to a reasonable level.”
It doesn’t appear, however, that this study had any control – at least, there have been no reports of events going ahead with no mitigating measures including pre-entry testing against which to compare the results. So how can they know that the measures have “reduced transmission”? A study without a control group can’t tell us anything about how effective and necessary the intervention is. There were no outbreaks with the testing. But maybe there wouldn’t be any without as well. And even if there are, why is that a problem if hospitals can cope? These questions don’t seem to be being answered.
The Government is said to have already told football’s UEFA that crowd sizes at upcoming events will be limited to 45,000. A review is expected to report on the settings in which domestic vaccine passports will be required later this month.
The Times report is worth reading in full.
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‘Same as it ever was’
As he song went
Vaccine passports that they said they had no intention of introducing
Social credit scores apps, which they say they have no intention of introducing.
Internment camps that they say they had no intention of introducing
“to have found that with screening, improved ventilation and other mitigating factors the risk of virus transmission can be significantly reduced”
reduced compared to what? no-one will have spread covid because no-ones got it. where’s the control event with no measures? complete bollox
Was just about to write the same thing – with the lack of a control event this proves absolutely nothing – how can logical rational thinking be so lacking?!?!
Control event?! Now that’s just silly. We all know that ‘the science’ doesn’t require control groups. Or intellectual rigour. Or a relevant, real life premiss, or careful use of data, or indeed any use of data.
Covid Science is shit spouted by people with the intellectual abilities of an artichoke.
Control groups are only needed for COVID treatments, which even when they have super-high effect size, must have large and perfect studies (multiple smaller studies don’t count), otherwise there is “no evidence” for them, and no reason to even bother researching them, particularly not during a medical emergency.
Nive try to introduce absolute bollox in a different topic. So your aim here is to rubbish claims by such deluded people as McCullough and Raoult about Invermectin and HCQ etc.
Bugger off!
😀 I’m stating the position of the medical establishment, which cares so deeply about grandma.
AfterAll was being sarcastic…
Think you missed the tone of what was written there.
I presume you are being sarcastic.
They compare supermarkets to large events. Yet supermarkets have remained open with no problems and no testing. Until late summer last year, they were also open without mask requirements.
how is a supermarket like a large event? the government told me covid is mainly spread by singing which is why they banned it
That’s a slur on artichokes, otherwise fully agreed.
On behalf of the Society of Intellectually Challenged Artichokes, I hereby lidge a formal protest against the above remark.
In defence of the artichoke it is of some use!!
Controls are unethical when it comes to the rona. That’s why the control groups from the vaccine trials have been eliminated by providing them shots.
Oh of course. Even when ‘the science’ is allowed to say something positive, there’s always a negative to be gained.
Lockdown til there’s a vaccine. The vaccine’s brilliant. Everyone needs it because it’s so amazing. We still need to lock down though. And wear masks. Because masks are SO amazing. Almost as amazing as the vaccines. Everyone’s got to wear 5 masks, be locked down, have vaccines, and have vaccine passports. And venues will have to police this with all the spare money they’ve got from not being allowed to open, and with the threat of closure in autumn every year. But at least with amazing masks and vaccine passports no one will ever die.
I think you’ve pretty much covered it there.
And the tests are so amazing that I just watched an ITV YouTube report showing 200 passengers flying to Portugal who had all tested negative before boarding yet all had to wear masks for the two hour flight even though the amazing tests proved that none of them had Covid.
Does wearing a dace mask not inhibit donning an oxygen mask in an emergency or is that another one of those
” That’s different because reasons”
“– so long as measures such as pre-entry Covid tests are in place.”
If you can’t smell the rat here, you might indeed have Covid 🙂
Or recovered from it! 😉
BBC: “Going shopping is just as dangerous as going to a large event with no mask, data shows”
They would actually be justified in declaring that given how pointless a study with no control is.
But here we are.
As safe as shopping? How safe is shopping? A meaningless comparison. 12+ months of this racket, can our press not be a little more probing?
You would have to be naive, plain stupid or in league with them to credit that the government needs to be “persuaded” of anything. The government has a plan to introduce Digital Compliance ID (aka vaccine passporting) come what may – the sooner this site recognises that, the better.
Yeah the good news is that they’re making a mistake of doubling down on coercion tactics as we all know most people will put their foot down even more. The real question to ask is, what is the end goal of the government. If there is truly a pandemic then it would be immunity. But we know that this is not really a pandemic and the end goal is to vaccinate the entire population. They’ve given up on maximising rates among the elderly so now they’re targeting the young. Do have the evil genius to take it up a notch Re mandatory, gun to head? ‘Course not – never underestimate how dumb@ss your governments and the establishment are. They are sociopath corporatists and nothing more. And if you’ve ever worked in a large organisation where 80% of the workforce contribute zero production you will know that eventually they will start eating each other.
It can’t come soon enough….
Liz Truss two weeks ago “we want to be in a position of eradicating this virus”. George Eustice yesterday, “Well yes we want to get rid of the virus altogether”. Robert Read of JCVI committee member in April “Imagine what it will be like when we have vaccinated every adult over the age of 18 and have completely obliterated the risk of infection … a fantastic spring board for booster vaccinations against foreign variants!”
They certainly have dogged determination to finish the vaccination programme according to their design and there are scattered hints about vaccinating the whole world “no one is safe until everyone is safe” parroted by Liz Truss.
the dead are safe.
Agree! You place yourself in defense of free speech, but stand aside as all freedom is stolen?
There is a control group though! Supermarkets that have remained open since March 2020. No evidence of outbreaks and no testing before entry.
This is such bullshit
What about the protests that never took place a few weeks ago. Still waiting….
That’s ok, because it was outside and back then Covid particles blew away, apparently. But then again, that only happened when there was 6 of you on separate blankets, of course and you couldn’t call over the 7th. Haha!
What about the protests all over the world that never took place last Saturday?
Not even covered here yet.
ANYTHING you do while under 40 is safe from COVID.
Are they going to immunise against ladders etc?
On a lighter note, yesterday BBC Breakfast, after telling us that the Indian variant had spread to 86 local authorities, showed drone footage of people in Bolton apparently queuing to be vaccinated in a tent.
The reporter was supposed to say “the majority of those in hospital in Bolton were eligible for the vaccine but haven’t had it”.
Screenshot and comment show what he actually said.
It took the BBC until 11.50 this morning to edit the report and delete that comment. LOLZ.
Many a truth said in “jest”.
Oh that’s brilliant. A much needed laugh. Thank you!
I can’t think that is a vaccination tent, more a lateral flow testing tent. People are supposed to be wait to check for reactions and there’s paperwork to be done.
You been to one have you? There are jabs being dished out by pharmacies who will have you in and out before you can say ADE
Oh how horrible
Hence ‘apparently’.
Sorry, I was more thinking of what the press get wrong
Meanwhile Texas and Florida have been having large events with NO RESTRICTIONS and NO TESTS or vaccine passports at ALL! just 2 weeks ago over 73,000 people in Texas at the AT&T stadium assisted with NO restrictions at all and NO tests were required
Ah yes but the Texan strain wears a big hat so you can see it coming, and the Florida strain is eaten by ‘gators so its very rare.
Is it possible to seek asylum in Florida?
Can’t we all just carry magic rocks that repel the China Virus? If we all do it, it’s impossible to prove that they don’t work.
Just remember the magic lasts for only six months – you’ll need to purchase new rocks every six months; at a premium, of course
I have been doing that for over a year and I can confirm it works!
In my small circle of friends and acquaintances, I know of one death by Mad Cow of a fit 60 year old, one fatal heart attack of a 42 year old mother of 3, one second trimester miscarriage in a healthy 33 year old, two dead ninety year olds who had survived COVID, one 81 year old who has developed debilitating joint pain, and one previously hale 41 year old father of four who is in a coma after brain hemorrhaging. All these “adverse events” occurred after vaccination. I am pretty sure none of these events were reported to VAERS.
In the meantime, everyone is bragging about getting their shots. And rudely asking if you have, then shunning you if you have not.
Large events with no masks or social distancing are safe. But not because of the vaccine. And Not the vaccine.
Let’s organise small events for unvaccinated
people only, and enjoy the company of human beings, yay.
We are doing just that, but the guest list is regrettably short.
All experiments need a CONTROL to compare results. 1st year science.
Limited to 45000.
I mean, who comes up with such a number? If this is a plague, then why pluck for anything above 1, or if we can open up, why not 100%?
I know the answer in fact. It’s because the capacity for them to process the tests gets tricky above 45000.
Nothing to do with a virus itself then. Just about how much the social control systems can take. This is beta testing for social credit schemes
TLDR lockdown was a waste of time
I am getting utterly sick of the coerced vaccines and government forced vaccine induced herd immunity.
I have had covid, though no tests back in March 20. I am a very fit 63 year old woman, I run, cycle, mountain hike, do exercise classes. I have no comorbidities and am not obese. I will decide if I need a vaccination for covid or anything else and I have decided I don’t need one. If that means I am excluded from society by the government then so be it – but they will not make my medical decisions for me.
My view is that the government would have been better to put resources into helping people who are at risk make an informed decision about having one of the vaccines, and they should be able to choose which brand if indeed they decide to go ahead. It might have involved paying doctors to offer consultations to at risk groups in their communities, giving them a chance to talk over issues. Given all the constant confused messaging perhaps south Asian obese males with hypertension and diabetes don’t even know they are at risk.
I would not turn up at a huge vaccination centre. This rush to vaccinate everyone in the country as soon as possible has already resulted in my father at his care home being administered 2 second AZ doses on the same day when nurses came to give everyone at the care home their second doses. He is okay but it should not have happened. These huge vaccination centres terrify me so others must feel the same and maybe more so in minority communities.
I don’t wish to participate in government decided herd immunity with natural immunity a taboo.
Doesn’t this imply that going shopping without wearing a mask is just as safe as going to a crowded concert without one?