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Boris Warns of Third Wave – as He Finally Gets Round to Looking at Treatments for Covid

by Will Jones
21 April 2021 1:30 AM

Boris told the country yesterday that, despite the vaccines, there is going be “another wave of Covid” at some point this year. Speaking at a Downing Street press briefing, he said:

As we look at what is happening in other countries with cases now at record numbers around the world, we cannot delude ourselves that Covid has gone away. I see nothing in the data now that makes me think we are going to have to deviate in any way from the roadmap, cautious but irreversible, that we have set out. But the majority of scientific opinion in this country is still firmly of the view that there will be another wave of Covid at some stage this year and so we must – as far as possible – learn to live with this disease, as we live with other diseases.

The warning came as he announced a task force to find new ways of treating COVID-19 before winter, with the aim of developing a tablet that can be taken at home to provide crucial early treatment. He said:

This means for example that if you test positive for the virus that there might be a tablet you could take at home to stop the virus in its tracks and significantly reduce the chance of infection turning into more serious disease.

The task force is welcome, of course, but the question is why is it only just being set up, when we first knew of this virus in January of 2020? Why wasn’t finding effective treatments a priority from the start? Why did none of the journalists at the press conference ask this question? Treatment should always be the first solution reached for when faced with a disease, as unlike lockdowns and vaccines they provide a way of making sick people better.

While the idea of learning to live with the disease, including through the use of treatments, should be reassuring, what the politicians mean by the phrase in the past year has typically turned out to be quite different to what most of us mean by it. We mean getting back to normal. They mean setting up a new “normal” of vaccine coercion, biometric ID passes, permanent screening programmes, face masks, closed borders, and restrictions on social contact and basic freedoms that loosen and tighten depending on the questionable results of mass testing. No thanks.

So why now? Is the Government only turning to treatments at this point because its fears are growing about variants that can escape the vaccines (for which there is some evidence)? Is this a further sign that the Government and its scientists are losing confidence in the vaccines?

In fact, as Professor Philip Thomas argues, there is unlikely to be a “third wave” now that we have the vaccines to top up our acquired and pre-existing immunity (and I doubt there would be a “third wave” without the vaccines). The remarkably low Covid hospitalisation rate for people who’ve been vaccinated that was reported yesterday adds to that hope. However, there is always going to be a winter flu season, and Covid and its potentially immunity-stretching variants are always going to be around. Who knows what the future will bring? Certainly not SAGE and its discredited modelling teams, whose alarmist predictions have consistently fallen flat. (Even in winter they predicted a much bigger surge and failed to anticipate that it would peak before lockdown.)

The question that has never been answered in this crisis is how safe do we need to be from Covid before we can go back to normal? Actually, it was answered once. In the Government’s original Pandemic Preparedness Strategy we know that a death toll of up to 315,000 within a few months from a pandemic virus was envisaged as being acceptable – still far more than we have seen with the (PCR-inflated) Covid death toll of the past year. That scale of mortality was not deemed to warrant any of the unprecedented measures we have experienced since March 2020 (which in any case were, correctly, judged not to be effective).

But since that sensible, science-based plan was ditched, the key question of when we can return to normal – the old normal, not the new normal – has never been answered. Is it because to do so would mean the politicians and scientists would have to grow a spine and endorse an acceptable level of risk and bring the emergency – and their status in it – to an end?

Tags: Exit strategyNew normalThird waveTreatmentsVaccines

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DerekA
DerekA
4 years ago

Sounds like Boris is going to invent ivermectin.

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J4mes
J4mes
4 years ago
Reply to  DerekA

I doubt it – they don’t want a cure.

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iane
iane
4 years ago
Reply to  J4mes

Nope – it is a sinecure they all want!

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chris c
chris c
4 years ago
Reply to  DerekA

No they want something more profitable, even if it doesn’t work

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Brett_McS
Brett_McS
4 years ago

It’s academic why governments are turning to treatments now. The real question is why didn’t they turn to treatments from the beginning?

I can’t think of an answer that doesn’t expose serious culpability. But then that’s also academic if no one asks the question.

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SilentP
SilentP
4 years ago
Reply to  Brett_McS

Totally agree, please see my post just after yours

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Niv
Niv
4 years ago
Reply to  Brett_McS

I think the explanation is quite simple…
… the Emergency Use Authorisation criteria for the COVID vaccines include the requirement that no alternative treatments exist. Hence the propaganda blitz against Hydrochloroquine, Ivermectin, Vitamin D, etc.

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annicx
annicx
4 years ago
Reply to  Niv

Now this is an ‘Aha!’ moment for me- it DOES indeed explain it. They ain’t gonna give up those lovely new powers any time soon, eh? I maintained last March that we would never get all these freedoms back and eyes rolled, but I stand by my words. I wasn’t aware of this little gem, thank you!

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  Niv

Money, money, money…. thank you. And the pill – is that by any chance coming from those pharmaceutical friends of Vallance, Ferguson etc?

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fon
fon
4 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

the compound mentioned yesterday, Inhaled Budesonide, is made by Astra, but it is generic out of patent, and highly unlikely to generate huge profits.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(21)00160-0/fulltext

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Occams Pangolin Pie
Occams Pangolin Pie
4 years ago
Reply to  Niv

Yes. And vaccines lead to vaccine passports and unending control, especially around green issues, travel. Safetyism morphing into fascism/totalitarian neo feudalism creation of proles and overlords.
2021 is the T junction.

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  Niv

also the pandemic response report bet the house on a vaccine. The idea of treatments was dismissed.

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LePib
LePib
4 years ago
Reply to  Niv

Hit the nail on the head. The question is – if a safe, effective (and already licenced treatment) does become available – will they then have to withdraw the emergency approval? Because it sounds very much from what’s been said that this will be another treatment that will only have emergency approval.

When Merck announced that it would be ceasing its vaccine trials in January as they had found naturally acquired infection to be more effective in providing on-going immunity – they tried to rubbish Ivermectin (their own drug!) in favour of two other non-vaccine based treatments they were working on.

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Brett_McS
Brett_McS
4 years ago
Reply to  Niv

I agree that is the likely proximate reason, but the question is still there. Why not use available treatments while a vaccine is being developed?

If the treatments are not effective then the vaccine can step up under emergency use. If the treatments are effective then the vaccine may still be useful in the longer run. The whole episode stinks of money under the table from Big Pharma.

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realarthurdent
realarthurdent
4 years ago
Reply to  Brett_McS

“Why not use available treatments while a vaccine is being developed?”

I think, regrettably, that the answer is the government is more afraid of the wrath of big business lobbyists if their quest for profits is thwarted, than it is afraid of the wrath of the electorate if a lot of people die unnecessarily.

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Brett_McS
Brett_McS
4 years ago
Reply to  realarthurdent

True. Politicians can be an incredibly good investment for big business. A few $100k in donations can return millions, or even billions to a company.

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jsampson45
jsampson45
4 years ago
Reply to  Niv

Is there any way of changing the Emergency Use Authorization criteria? It must be obvious that all treatments and preventives, including vaccines, should be available starting last year. Preventing any from being available is murder.

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Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  Niv

If the government had authorised GPs to prescribe vitamin D3 to all their patients as soon as its effectiveness as both prophylactic and treatment had been demonstrated by the research which has been done then NONE of this would have been necessary – not the masks or the SD or the business closures or the vaccines or the trashing of the economy. This is not about a virus or a public health emergency – and the sooner we begin to talk about what it is REALLY about the better. At the very most all the PM is doing is trying to provide himself with a fig leaf of cover in the event of any inquiry which I very much doubt will ever take place.

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JayBee
JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  Brett_McS

2nd biggest crime against humanity.
Biggest one is lockdown deaths, above all in the 3rd World, which no one cares about, least of all the Progressives, Left, Green, do-gooder and ethics professors.

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SilentP
SilentP
4 years ago

The UK developed interferon treatment, link below, could easily have been given emergency usage authorisation back in July.

It is almost certainly safe and the Phase 2 trial results exceeded those of any other tested treatment AND it is expected to be effective on any variants and on any other respiratory virus.

It is not a tablet, it is administered straight to the lungs, precisely where it is needed, using a nebuliser.

The company behind it, Synairgen from Southampton University, has funded its own current worldwide Phase 3 trial and the US government is funding testing in the Activ 2 part of Operation Warp Speed.

Shame on the UK government yet again for not providing full support for trialling a treatment that could have saved many lives AND provided the confidence to abolish the useless NPIs at a much earlier stage.

Link to the discussion in the Forum.
It is in the Medicines sub section
https://dailysceptic.org/forums/

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SilentP
SilentP
4 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

This is the first post from that discussion:

I had mentioned this elsewhere, but this is probably a more appropriate home for it.
Please note that I have now invested in Synairgen, the company mentioned below.

In spite of the initial focus on ventilators and the fixation on vaccines, it does appear that some lessons have been learned and more effective treatment protocols are now being used.

Unfortunately, many of the promising treatments that have been touted over the last few months have proven to be ineffective.

The WHO Solidarity trial recently reported some disappointing results, including the use of injected Interferon Beta. From the BMJ: “The result for interferon is interesting, and there will doubtless be some debate about whether different doses or routes of administration—for example, by nebuliser—might be more effective,”

I will not go into massive detail here but provide a little background information and a couple of links.

The key thing here is that there is increasing evidence that delivery of Interferon beta delivered through a nebuliser at the appropriate stage may have a key role to play in the treatment of Covid 19 and other respiratory illnesses such as COPD.

In a nutshell, infection with Covid 19 seems to stop certain some people from naturally producing the interferons needed to kill the virus cells. Delivering Interferon beta through a nebuliser puts the drug directly into the lungs i.e. where it is needed. The locaIised delivery also enables it to be used in conjunction with steroid treatments – something that can be problematical through other delivery methods.

In July Synairgen announced very promising results from a phase 2 trial. This was reported on the BBC at that time and is what brought it to my attention. Since then it has received very little publicity. The company has recently completed an £80m fundraising, mainly to run phase 3 trials in 20 countries and to ramp up production – to meet the demands of the trial and for use in an existing Home Trial and the recently announced Managed Access Program.

This is a link to a recent lecture from Professor Stephen Holgate, who helped set up Synairgen. He has a long track record in this field. The lecture mainly focuses on the history of coronavirus research and the modus operandi of this particular virus
https://youtu.be/NjOaV4wjwJs

This is a link to a relevant page of the Synairgen website
https://www.synairgen.com/covid-19/

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

The comments page here is more interesting than LS’s post. Thank you also for declaring an interest. Journalism on Covid would be aided if they required all “experts” quoted to declare their interests.

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Paul B
Paul B
4 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

That’s part of the quote, unless it’s the same author as this post? You point stands however!

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Roger A
Roger A
4 years ago
Reply to  SilentP

Ramper

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago

Well done Boris, yes there will be what you will call a ‘third wave’ which will in reality be the 2021 Autumn seasonal return which we should deal with like any other recurring respiratory disease. Still time for more ICU trained staff and isolation hospitals even now.

So now bozo wants the boffins to invent a Covid tablet (pill ?); no doubt based on invermectin or something else we already knew about, that we can buy from Boots The Chemist* if we fall ill ? Sounds like he is trying to shift responsibility onto us as individuals.

Professor Philip Thomas (Will Jones’ article above) has, apparently, much more successfully plotted the course of the Pandemic using his own models than soppy SAGE and sees vaccines as the way back to normal but he also warns that life expectancy in the UK is currently going down because of the large number of non Covid deaths caused by bozos lockdown.

*other retail pharmacies are available.

On a lighter note, here’s some proper normal as Chelsea fans celebrate the end of plans for a Super League last evening.

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nottingham69
nottingham69
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Most of those had never heard of Chelsea pre Gazprom. Where were they last summer when the government started the process of wrecking the club pyramid. All semi pro football has CEASED this winter, players who earned a few quid playing have had that stopped, just because of the psy-op of no spectators at sport.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  nottingham69

Despite supporting Chelsea in my teens, from The Shed, I now have no interest in football at all.
The purpose of posting that screenshot was to illustrate the complete abandonment of Social Distancing, the few masks are half arsed and the Police in the video were solely concerned with normal crowd control.

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JayBee
JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

Every single Covid policy or mandate has reduced and is reducing life expectation.
That’s deliberate and one of the main parts and goals of their plan.

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crimsonpirate
crimsonpirate
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

re Chelsea, what the fans should have been doing was rattling the gates demanding to be allowed to watch the game.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

“there will be what you will call a ‘third wave’ which will in reality be the 2021 Autumn seasonal return “

Indeed – I’m still waiting for a second ‘wave’. The brief January peak was indeed higher than expected – but I am more and more of the opinion that this could well have been due to the effect of ‘vaccines’ on the very vulnerable. Apart from that brief period, the profile of autumn-winter mortality was in the upper range of the normal.

And, of course, the concentrated deaths of the vulnerable at that time will have contributed to the extent of the later predicted decline of the curve.

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diego22
diego22
4 years ago

Third wave’s coming, hip-hooray;
Less than twenty died today:
College Green is grey with sorrow;
Maybe only ten tomorrow.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  diego22

The next day we’ll be down to none.
Then ‘Hey! The third wave has begun!’

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J4mes
J4mes
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

And they (including LS) will accredit this with the ‘success of the vaccine’ – rather than a change of season.

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Hugh
Hugh
4 years ago

Isn’t there a “wave” of respiratory deaths every winter?

And didn’t the programme of Covid jabs start later, and at a slower pace in some of these European countries than in Britain? Is there information on what dates different countries started, and at what rate etc.? Is it plausible that that could be a factor in increased deaths in some countries.

And surely there are some quite effective pills already – vitamin D, vitamin K, vitamin C, magnesium, selenium, zinc. Among other things. Are the government commissioning a proper test of such things and taking advice from groups of independent scientists such as the Orthomolecular Medicine News Service? Because we will want to know why (not) when the reckoning comes

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TreeHugger
TreeHugger
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

I’d like to know why, after a full year, the government are still not widely pushing the advice to improve our general heath and immunity. This seemed like the perfect time to tackle the dietary ills of a sick nation. This guy should be all over the mainstream media.
https://www.patrickholford.com/advice/boost-your-immune-system

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FarligGods
FarligGods
4 years ago
Reply to  TreeHugger

Because none of this is actually about co(n)vid, it’s about authoritarianism and maintaining the emergency control measures to beat us all down..
Think about it – when did we ever have such multilateral agreement by so many of the world’s governments about anything before?

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TreeHugger
TreeHugger
4 years ago
Reply to  FarligGods

Oh, I agree. I have seen through this since May last year.

Sadly, a lot of people still don’t so I feel we must keep banging away with the logical responses until more people see that what this government and many others are doing defies all logic.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  FarligGods

That was one of the early clues. Governments of all types from ‘liberal democracies’, military/facist dictatorships, communist hangovers, religious autocracies to kleptomaniac gangster regimes all adopted much the same policies to a greater or lesser degree even using the same words and slogans.

Only later did it become clear they were all singing from the WHO songbook.

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  TreeHugger

Because there is no money in that for Sage.

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MikeAustin
MikeAustin
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Indeed, there is a wave of respiratory deaths every winter, and the programme of Covid jabs got delayed a couple of weeks. This produced a curve of 20,000 excess deaths of 75+ that correllate well with the jab programme. If the intention were to hide these jab-related dearhs in the average seasonal wave, they screwed up big time.

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TheTartanEagle
TheTartanEagle
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

Nutrition is key. How can biochemical pathways work per design if you do not put in the correct precursors? What proportion of the population is borderline scorbutic, they will struggle to fight off any illness. Anyone going into hospital with infection should be receiving megadoses of vitamins in addition to drugs. Yet proponents of vitamin supplementation are painted as nutters, much like those who question vaccination.

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JohnK
JohnK
4 years ago
Reply to  Hugh

And all sorts of other deaths; ask the undertakers.

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kirklodgejo
kirklodgejo
4 years ago

There were proven treatments KNOWN at the beginning of this farce. Hydrochloroquine/zinc being the most well-known. There were two problems with this though. Firstly, Trump mentioned it and nothing that Trump said could be accepted by the MSM/political elites. Second, it was off-the-shelf and, therefore, cheap……

https://swprs.org/on-the-treatment-of-covid-19/

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Catee
Catee
4 years ago
Reply to  kirklodgejo

Thirdly doesnt involve The Foundation and has therefore been suppressed.

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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago
Reply to  kirklodgejo

and ventilators kill…

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Paul B
Paul B
4 years ago
Reply to  kirklodgejo

Didn’t Trump, at his age, with his diet, bounce in and out of hospital within a couple of days? Maybe they gave him recovered baby plasma or maybe ivermectin works?

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Monro
Monro
4 years ago

Sounds like someone new is making stronger smelling coffee in No 10 this week.

For all those who think non pharmaceutical interventions by government is a non party political issue, I give you:

Florida/South Dakota v California/New York

That is the divide right there and what happens in America never stays in America.

It is coming to a town near you, and soon.

The problem for the government is that they look so much more like the Democratic Party than the Republican Party.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Monro

And more like the National Socialist Workers’ Party than either.

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J4mes
J4mes
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

Their intentions are far more like the communist’s Holodomor.

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LMS2
LMS2
4 years ago
Reply to  Annie

That’s currently exactly what the Democrats look like…

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Monro

From todays Roundup below

Republicans open schools, Democrats close them.

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Fingerache Philip
Fingerache Philip
4 years ago

Treatment(s) for Covid?
You could always try herd immunity!

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Mayo
Mayo
4 years ago
Reply to  Fingerache Philip

Isn’t that what they are doing?

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Sven
Sven
4 years ago

A treatment already exists, the studies have been done. Ivermectine works both prophylactically and as a treatment.

COVID-19 early treatment: real-time analysis of 588 studies (c19early.com)

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LePib
LePib
4 years ago
Reply to  Sven

The c19early site is fantastic.

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BJs Brain is Missing
BJs Brain is Missing
4 years ago

If the same energy, commitment and togetherness was shown by the people, as just demonstrated by football supporters in defeating avaricious club owners, this lockdown mentality and anti-human regime would be defeated in days. Now wouldn’t this be nice…  

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Catee
Catee
4 years ago
Reply to  BJs Brain is Missing

Make a start in Hyde Park this Saturday 12.30pm.

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Woden
Woden
4 years ago
Reply to  Catee

Where is info on protests nationally?

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hilarynw
hilarynw
4 years ago

I’m not a religious person but I do believe that what has been going on this past year has a basis in evil. Therefore I suppose that there must be some source of good out there as a counterbalance. If there were a time for good to rise up and take out evil now would do.

One must ask why these ‘treatments’ will only be ready in the Autumn? Is this because the coercion will have worked by then and most will be vaccinated? They know that if they had acknowledged the treatments we already have such as Hydroxycloroquine and Ivermectin earlier, they could not have obtained Emergency Use Authorisation for these hastily developed vaccines. They must also know that many, many lives could have been saved with the current set of treatments so we know that nothing they do is for our health or to prevent suffering.

I wouldn’t be surprised that when they arrive these new treatments will be tweaked versions of HCG and Ivermectin – enough for BigPharma to get a patent and make more money out of us?

Sorry if I sound cynical but I’ve suspected from the beginning that these passports were their end goal (and what awful things they morph into) and, although I wish I were wrong, it doesn’t look as if I am going to be.

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  hilarynw

You’re certainly right to say that evil is at work. The stench of it is everywhere. It’s in every muzzled face and every malevolent zombie eye. Fight it.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  hilarynw

When I first read about CCP Social Credit technology (and had its operational existence confirmed by a former frequent traveller to China) I just thought ‘yeah well China, Uigers, maybe here decades hence if we vote in an authoritarian government’.

But it is now clear that the technology is real and Western governments just can’t wait to roll it out.
Massively increased CCTV, facial recognition software and Covid permits being just part of the infrastructure.
Oh dear, I might just need to look at 5G again.

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WorriedCitizen
WorriedCitizen
4 years ago
Reply to  karenovirus

It wouldn’t work without 5G. It’s needed for the amount of data throughput. Protesters were correct about the evil of 5G but not how it is evil. If we all went back to 2G phones they’d be screwed

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MikeAustin
MikeAustin
4 years ago
Reply to  hilarynw

Yes, evil is in the minds of these tyrants. But, as evil is based on selfish ignorance, a group of evil people cannot survive long as they eventually divide against themselves. Good is based on altruistic wisdom. It may lack power initially but has the potential to prevail because it is mutually supportive.
Where we (the 99% of us) have to take care, is that we do not divide among ourselves due to blindly trusting the tyrants and the scoundrels that control the media.

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JayBee
JayBee
4 years ago
Reply to  MikeAustin

Those who weren’t or aren’t fully in it were just blackmailed into it.
Seems that Bill and the Eppstein Mossad just don’t have any useful photos and material on Noem, DeSantis and Tegnell.
And they took care of Magufuli.

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watersider
watersider
4 years ago
Reply to  hilarynw

Hilarynw,
Fortunately their is hope in divine providence, despite government’s efforts to abolish God. So hang on in there and don’t despair.
On the subject of flu passports, I do believe they will not happen due to them being considered discriminatory against our large non white minority who do not participate in the gene Therapy programme of Bill Gates disguised as “vaccines”

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AllieT
AllieT
4 years ago
Reply to  watersider

Yep they can’t abolish God and boy will they know that one day! ;o)

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Milo
Milo
4 years ago
Reply to  AllieT

they are having a jolly good go at it – with not little success based on the response of a lot of churches to this mess

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J4mes
J4mes
4 years ago
Reply to  hilarynw

It truly is evil. I remember years ago seeing articles revealing the kind of disgusting cultish stuff they get up to in their social circles. If you’ve not heard of it, check out spirit cooking, then pay close attention to the people who attend the ‘artist’s’ events.

Marina Abramović, basically a satanist, is so popular with Gates, she was hired to promote Microsoft’s virtual reality software…

https://youtu.be/l4_NXKvlgvQ

I recall seeing a video some time ago (no doubt deleted from youtube) showing one of her disgusting events which was attended by all the big names including Boris Johnson.

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alw
alw
4 years ago

Hopefully after the May 6th elections Boris will be given the big and final wave. No

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Norman
Norman
4 years ago
Reply to  alw

They don’t affect Boris directly and none of the traditional Tory voting Shire counties are voting, I think.

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Paul B
Paul B
4 years ago
Reply to  Norman

I had 2 different CONservative flyers through the door yesterday in sleepy Suffolk, my bin lid’s getting a workout!

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Kat
Kat
4 years ago
Reply to  Norman

Buckinghamshire is holding elections.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  Kat

Don’t forget to take your own pencil.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Norman

Haven’t you seen the polls?

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago

“Third wave” Not that many readers of LS needed it, but further proof that the PM, Hancock, Gove and SAGE will never admit that c19 is now endemic and always will be, and that it’s highly seasonal. They will have to be dragged kicking and screaming away from the levers of power.

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nottingham69
nottingham69
4 years ago

Keep taking the tablets. Vitamin D and Zinc.

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peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago

Sometime in the near future Will and some of the other editors on this site will have to admit that the evidence is overwhelming. The evidence that ‘covid19′ ’emergency’ is being used as part of the pathway towards zerocarbon.
There is not going to be a return to the old normal. In the minds of the people governing our lives; politicians, central bankers, conglomerates, billionaires, the future of a resource constrained capitalism has to be controlled by a ‘new’ way of governing which uses soft and hard force to get its way.
The pysop of using fear of death and illness, together with bribes ( furlough) has been an outstanding success as measured by this criteria. It is not going to stop, it will increase. Next in the line of site is the permanent end of freedom of movement across borders, used to reduce air and sea transport to a minimum. Soon the UK government will announce legislation to confirm the end of gas for domestic heating and cooking and draconian measures to ensure every household spends at least £10k on insulation and heat pumps. The end of ICE vehicles will be brought forward. meat will be increasingly difficult to buy and its price will skyrocket, to be replaced by ‘nu-meat’ and a pysop inspired drive to vegitarianism. The BoE in step with all CBs will create digi-currency to replace sterling which will incorporate permanent negative interest rates; ie the value of any ‘currency’ you hold will decline in value each and every year.
None of the above is hidden, its well publicised , ‘hidden in full sight’.
The ultimate aim is the reduction of human numbers, reduction in the billions, but in a way that maintains the resources of the planet.

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Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

I agree with a lot of your points. However I struggle to believe that the people you list in general give two hoots about zero carbon, or population reduction. Zero carbon, like covid, is a good cover for seizing and maintaining easy power and feeding your ego.

“Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from the oligarchies of the past in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just around the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know what no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now you begin to understand me.”

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peyrole
peyrole
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Its much more BNW than 1984.
They do give two hoots about zerocarbon as a means of realising the conversion of the all economies to resource contrained capitalism. Its the very disruptive element of this profound change that provides all these people with the opportunities to become even wealthier and in the process complete controllers of society in perpetuity.
Whether they actually believe the planet is warming is totally irrelevant. Just like whether they actually believe covid is a killer disease. Its used as a basis for ongoing psyop to influence and control populations.

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

I have seen the future, and it’s murder.

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

Things are gonna turn, turn in one direction…

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

Its about the ‘C’ word, C o n t r o l . It always was, the ultimate aim is a microchip in our bodies, just like a domestic pet.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  peyrole

You really don’t need intricate theories to explain the shit-show. And it’s a mistake to bundle the whole thing with climate change issues – which may be used as a cover, but poses a massively different set of issues and evidence.

A much more parsimonious set of overlapping explanations and motivations are at work – most of which are very old in their roots, but which are given additional force by virtue of interconnectedness and technology.

The key issues for me revolve around the ease with which democratic protections have been stripped away in the western world and well-known methods of psychological manipulation employed, through propaganda and media control, to create a new serfdom.

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Quernus
Quernus
4 years ago

We’re living in a technocratic pharmocracy (or a pharmaceutical technocracy).

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago

Can someone please remove that idiot from No.10 and his nutty sidekick.

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DevonBlueBoy
DevonBlueBoy
4 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

Do you mean she who must be obeyed, Princess Nut Nuts? Otherwise she’ll withdraw from her conjugal responsibilities! But why any female would wish to do that with Bunter; the thought is quite sickening

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JayBee
JayBee
4 years ago

Well put Will.
But all those Whys? are easily answered, if one comes to the conclusion that the vaxx passports have always been the real goal of the plandemic.
Once they are in place, lockdowns are just too costly and treatments can be looked into.
They are evil and follow an evil plan. Nothing else.

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WeAllFallDown
WeAllFallDown
4 years ago

The resemblance between this and domestic abuse, (physical and psychological), is chilling.

So now we’re on an upswing, and “‘im indoors” is feeling ok. He came close to killing us that time, and almost lost our trust. But it was for the better, see. The vaccines WORKED. Only 32 deaths. He’s sorry he was like that, but you know, he was right. See. It’s all ok now.

How about a holiday. We can get away from it all. We’ll all feel better with a bit of sun and freedom. See? It’s all going to be all right. He’s sorry. He’ll replace the stuff he broke. The kids are back in school, and THEY’RE FINE. Aren’t they now? He’ll take you all on a nice holiday you can boast to your friends about. They’ll see it wasn’t all bad. It’s just how it is sometimes. It’s fine. It won’t happen again. He’s got a new pill. You can hold your head high again.

Don’t kids yourselves. This moment of remission is going to be short, blissful and in no way worth the drama that follows.

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WeAllFallDown
WeAllFallDown
4 years ago

Oh I just saw, the Russians are massing a force. Jolly good. Well done Boris. Wasting our resources looking for virions under the bed, when Ukraine is under threat. Still at least we don’t have a supply of natural gas coming from there.

Zero carbon might well be right. There will be no gas with which to power out central heating or power plants. And maybe we will have nothing and like it because some outside force will have it instead. Still at least we’re not a nation of supine spineless compliants. Oh hang on.. All good fun.

Last edited 4 years ago by WeAllFallDown
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WeAllFallDown
WeAllFallDown
4 years ago
Reply to  WeAllFallDown

And at least we got out of Europe, so we can stand free and fight with our depleted, demoralised, vac-injured army. That last thing we want is philosophical, economic or defence allies. Phew!

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TheTartanEagle
TheTartanEagle
4 years ago
Reply to  WeAllFallDown

The army now numbers around 80000, so no longer counts as an army, it is a defence force. Navy was around 30000 and RAF was heading down to a similar number last time I looked. Whilst personnel have had decades to get used to doing more with less, there is a limit because it will all come down to groups of people in critical trades having duty times which are unsustainable. So the amount of any future fighting done by the UK could be somewhat limited…

Last edited 4 years ago by TheTartanEagle
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Victoria
Victoria
4 years ago

The dirty word is still natural Immunity / Immune system. Even the WHO now only refers to vaccine derived immunity.

Take responsibility for your own health and work on improving your immune system – part of that is to be exposed to other people and their ‘germs’. Do not over clean your environment and stay away from ‘antibacterial’ cleaners

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Max Normal
Max Normal
4 years ago

I’ve got a pill like that already. It’s called vitamin D

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  Max Normal

No doubt they’ll find a way of making that prohibitively expensive soon. Got to make millions for the shareholders somehow.

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WorriedCitizen
WorriedCitizen
4 years ago

So Boris has come up with the idea we need a tablet to help us at home? So we are to be offered a new and thus untested remedy? Why not ivermectin? Because that would be to admit that the vaccines were not required and their emergency license was sought illegally.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago

Interesting – if you don’t notice the hypcrisy.

But, Will – you do need to take off your sparkly rainbow vaccine specs.

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LMS2
LMS2
4 years ago

“But since that sensible, science-based plan was ditched, the key question of when we can return to normal – the old normal, not the new normal – has never been answered. Is it because to do so would mean the politicians and scientists would have to grow a spine and endorse an acceptable level of risk and bring the emergency – and their status in it – to an end?”

No. Because this has been the plan from the beginning. Boris said early last year that there would be no return to the old normal, and there would be a new normal. How could he have known that unless there was always a plan in place to change everything?
Unfortunately, the majority of the population has been so bullied and brainwashed with non-stop propaganda, and still believe that they are in mortal danger from this virus that they’ll accept all the new restrictions, in the mistaken belief that carrying some form of digital ID will somehow “protect” them rather than keeping them in a digital prison with no escape.

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karenovirus
karenovirus
4 years ago
Reply to  LMS2

We were being told to get ready for, even welcome, the New Normal from the very start of Lockdown a year ago.

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Richy_m_99
Richy_m_99
4 years ago

https://youtu.be/QAHi3lX3oGM

Flashback to the Texas Senate Coronavirus hearings, and Peter McCullough MD testifying as to his amazement that the US government response was to tell people who tested positive to go home, and there was no cure , Meanwhile, known treatments were being either banned or discredited, and doctors who attempted to use them, censured and removed from their positions despite success of these treatments.

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leicestersq
leicestersq
4 years ago

Anyone remember that Lancet paper saying that HCQ was dangerous? The paper was withdrawn as fraud with the originators not prepared to share the source of the data with peer reviewers.

As a result of that paper, HCQ was withdrawn as a Covid treatment. We know that HCQ when used properly saves lives. This paper caused people to die unnecessarily and those submitting the original paper were so unethical that they werent prepared to share their data for scrutiny. One has to doubt if they had a real source for their data and that they made it all up.

There is a whole host of questions about this incident. It looks on the face of it like a deliberate attempt to stop HCQ being used, resulting in more deaths and more scary headlines. I cant see any other reason for the unethical behaviour of the organisation behind this paper.

So if Boris really wants to find out what is going on with Covid, I would investigate the originators of the paper, find out who they are and where they got their money from. A proper investigation into this would save more lives any vaccine ever will.

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  leicestersq

”If Boris really wants to find out what is going on…..” You jest, mayhap?

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Richy_m_99
Richy_m_99
4 years ago
Reply to  leicestersq

That paper was produced solely to discredit Donald Trump, who had publicly announced that HCQ had been the reason that his recovery from C-19 had been so quick.

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glen
glen
4 years ago

You would think that, after all these interventions and vaccinations, if he really believes we are going to get another wave anyway, he would ask the point what was in everything we have done so far? Seems to be no sane people at all in government or SAGE, all caught up in their own propaganda.

This is our version of the 2008 housing bubble, anyone rational who looked could tell it was stupid, but all the experts and mathematical modellers – of which there are far more high calibre mathematicians in finance than in pandemic modelling – were adamant all was well.

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Spannie
Spannie
4 years ago

“But since that sensible, science-based plan was ditched, the key question of when we can return to normal – the old normal, not the new normal – has never been answered. Is it because to do so would mean the politicians and scientists would have to grow a spine and endorse an acceptable level of risk and bring the emergency – and their status in it – to an end?”

My understanding is that the vax can not be licensed until stage 3 trials are complete – and that can not happen until 2023 as long term effects are needed to be known to complete the trials. Until it is licensed it continues to be used under emergency approval, which in turn means that a pandemic must be ongoing. Therefore, if the pandemic emergency does not exist, the vaccines can not be used until/if they are approved in 2023. So they have to keep pandemic status until then!

Someone please tell me I am wrong – I want some hope of a normal life soon !!

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WorriedCitizen
WorriedCitizen
4 years ago
Reply to  Spannie

You are not wrong, sorry

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mariathena
mariathena
4 years ago

Despite the fact that Ivermectin is empirically proven to be a very potent and valuable COVID mitigation therapy, it may be overlooked because it is not new and it is cheap.
The FT article mentions anti viral drugs Favipiravir and other.
There should be more pressure to allow emergency authorizations for proven drugs. Now that the vaccination is done , Gov and media should be more agreeable to it

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  mariathena

”No money in it, guv”.

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Mibi
Mibi
4 years ago

‘Boris told the country yesterday that, despite the vaccines, there is going be “another wave of Covid”’
When did politicians become prophets/fortune-tellers?

Last edited 4 years ago by Mibi
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WorriedCitizen
WorriedCitizen
4 years ago
Reply to  Mibi

THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUE, never was. EVERYTHING Is a cover For THE PLAN. The pandemic has to last for as long as Boris needs it to.

Talk of deaths and treatments is irrelevant, a distraction.

As Dr. Mike Yeadon said at the outset: the pandemic is over when SAGE says it’s over.

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago
Reply to  Mibi

‘Despite the vaccines’ but ‘Because the mass testing figures are able to be tweaked’. That’s why he can say it so confidently. Who needs ‘covid’ when you’ve got PCR cycles?

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Banjones
Banjones
4 years ago

It has been criminal that, after all this time, they’re only just talking about theraputics and prophylactics. I suppose once the bulk of the money is made from the ‘vaccines’ then big pharma can turn its ‘Sauron’ eye on other money-making stuff.
How long before vitamins become expensive once someone has found a way of patenting them? No doubt Ivermectin and HCQ would also becoming popular if only they can be given a brand name and sold for a small fortune.

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