Whistleblower: 37% of NHS Staff Are Absent “Due to COVID-19” In Yorkshire and North-East
An NHS whistleblower has leaked a slide deck dated November 2nd. In the words of the leaker, it’s a “pretty standard high level (NHS England) briefing, looking at operational areas and the general picture”. It’s full of interesting data that I’ll be working through over the next couple of days, but the thing which jumped out after a brief perusal was the figure for “regional Covid-related staff absences” in Yorkshire and the North-East – a whopping 37%! As the whistleblower says, “This has to be due to false positives, no way can over 1/3 of staff all have Covid.” (The figure is even higher in the Midlands – 40%.)
This confirms my analysis, published last Wednesday, of why the ‘Quad’ took the decision to place England under a second lockdown, in spite of knowing that Covid hospital admissions were unlikely to exceed those during the peak of the first wave, when no NHS trust anywhere in the country was overwhelmed. As I said then, they were just worried about certain hotspots – specifically, those in cities in Yorkshire and the North-East. And the reason for their anxiety was because NHS England’s critical care capacity in those areas is now lower than it was in March/April. Why? Because hospital trusts have been ordered to admit non-Covid patients (unlike during the first wave) and because intensive care units are under-staffed.
Another difficulty is that there are fewer specialist intensive care nurses than there were in March/April, partly because some of them have asked to be reassigned to other departments after the stress of the first wave and partly because hospitals are obsessively testing all their staff using the unreliable PCR kit because they’re terrified of “healthcare-associated infections” (nosocomial transmission of the virus). The upshot is there are fewer intensive care nurses and some of those that are still around have been sent home and told to self-isolate for 10 days. Another issue is that those with young children who’ve been sent home from school and told to self-isolate – because a child in their bubble has tested positive – are having to stay at home to care for their kids. And yet another issue is that some schools and NHS trusts are telling nurses to self-isolate for 14 days if one of their children has been identified as a “contact” of an infected person, even though that’s not something NHS Test and Trace are insisting upon.
If 37% of staff in Yorkshire and the North-East were absent for Covid-related reasons on November 2nd, that was clearly what was fuelling anxiety, not the ‘second wave’ baloney that Witless and Unbalanced obediently trotted out. (A reader made the same point: the NHS has a manpower problem.)
And yesterday brought further confirmation that staff absence is the issue, not a fear of rising hospital admissions, with the news that NHS England has relaxed the one-to-one rule, saying nurses can now look after two patients at the same time. Here’s the tell-tale paragraph in the Telegraph:
Northern Lincolnshire and Goole Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust, which runs hospitals across Grimsby and Scunthorpe, said it was struggling with staff shortages after dozens of nurses and doctors were ordered to self-isolate.
So there you have it. The reason we’ve gone into lockdown is because of staff shortages within some NHS trusts thanks, in part, to the false positive rate of the PCR test and the over-zealous enforcement of quarantining for those who’ve come into contact with “positive” cases.
Stop Press: On the Spectator‘s Coffee House Shots podcast on Saturday it was disclosed that that the NHS asked the Government for extra resources over the summer to build capacity for the so-called second wave. Apparently, it refused on the grounds that its “world beating” Test and Trace system would ensure that extra capacity wouldn’t be needed.
Top Doctor Says NHS In Contempt of Parliament
What follows is a guest post from my doctor friend who has cast his eye over the latest weekly data released by NHS England. He believes the NHS was wrong to withhold crucial data from MPs ahead of the vote on Lockdown 2.0, creating the impression that the service was on the brink of being overwhelmed when Sir Simon Stephens and others knew perfectly well that it wasn’t.
On November 4th, the British Parliament voted to enforce a lockdown of the population in order to prevent the NHS from being overwhelmed with COVID-19 admissions.
In support of the Government, Professor Whitty and Sir Patrick Vallance provided graphs of dubious provenance suggesting catastrophic consequences if lockdown was not re-introduced. These projections subsequently turned out to be grossly inaccurate.
Sir Simon Stevens, the head of the NHS in England then presented figures suggesting that the NHS was in imminent danger of collapse from Covid pressures in the coming weeks. He stated that the number of Covid patients in some hospitals was greater than the number in the spring and that in total there were enough Covid patients in England to fill 22 hospitals.
Conservative MPs complained that the information they had been provided with was insufficiently detailed to allow them to make an informed decision on the matter. The motion was duly carried.
On November 5th, the NHS released weekly Covid statistics in respect of inpatients and patients in mechanical ventilation beds (only 30% of patients in these beds are actually being mechanically ventilated).
Analysis of these figures throws up some interesting findings.
Firstly, the 850 bed Liverpool University Hospital – regarded as the epicentre of the outbreak in the North West of England.
Here is a graph of Covid patients in Liverpool.
As you can see from this graph, the total number of Covid patients has been flat or declining for the last 10 days. The proportion of patients in ICU as a percentage of the total has also declined from about 17% at the start of October to 5% currently. This could mean that Liverpool has a low threshold for admitting patients from the community with Covid symptoms. Or that a substantial proportion of the ‘Covid’ inpatients in Liverpool may have positive covid tests but no symptoms of the disease.
Either way, the number of Covid patients in the ICU at Liverpool’s main hospital has fallen from 29 on Oct 22nd to 19 on November 3rd. This does not look like a hospital in imminent danger of collapse.
Comparing the Liverpool figures to the wider England figures shows a similar pattern – there is a clear measurement artefact on September 11th, but the percentage of Covid hospital patients admitted to ICU has fallen from 15% in the spring to 7% now, and the proportion of patients needing mechanical ventilation has fallen from 70% to under 30% (ICNARC reports). This may mean either that the severity of the disease is lower than in the spring, or the number of Covid patients in hospitals is being over-estimated by including asymptomatics. Whichever way one looks at it, the burden on the healthcare system is a lot lower than in the spring.
Graph 3 is a graph of the daily Covid admissions in hospitals across England expressed as a three day moving average. Seems to have flatlined for the last week. Unfortunately, Sir Simon forgot to inform the public with respect to the daily discharge figures of Covid patients, so I can’t provide a graph of how discharges compare with admissions. Anecdotally I am informed that most patients spend three to four days in hospital and are then discharged, so in many hospitals the influx of symptomatic Covid patients is balanced by discharges.
The balance between Covid admissions and discharges has troubled me for some time. Looking at the granular level data released in relation to admissions from the community and diagnoses in hospital seven days after admission, it appears that there is a very significant percentage of in-hospital infection with Covid. The NHS will not voluntarily release information about the number of patients who go into hospital without Covid but contract it having been admitted for another medical matter. The Oxford Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine has already identified this problem and the Daily Mail has submitted Freedom of Information requests to force individual NHS Trusts to divulge this information from the spring wave of COVID-19.
The way information is released by the NHS is difficult to interpret. Graph 4 is derived from calculating the number of patients with a positive Covid test within the last 24 hrs and subtracting from that the number of patients with a positive Covid test within seven days of admission. The difference between those two figures is probably the number of patients who tested positive for Covid from a test conducted while in hospital. It is possible that this graph may overestimate the number of in-hospital infections, but the NHS does (or should) know this figure accurately – if they don’t release the information, they can’t complain when third parties try to make reasonable estimates from the data that they do provide. By my rough calculation this appears to be running at close to 20% across English NHS hospitals. Something else Sir Simon forgot to mention.
It is disturbing that the Daily Mail has had to resort to statutory instruments such as FOI requests to extract information on hospital-acquired infections that should be publicly available. In relation to a number of highlighted cases of deaths, hospital spokespeople were quick to make the assertion that “a death with Covid does not necessarily mean a death because of Covid”. That’s a true statement, but it appears that the NHS counts all patients carrying Covid as positive cases when it suits them, and excludes the same patients from the numbers when it doesn’t.
The comment from Dr David Nicoll, a leading neurologist from Birmingham, that the NHS “acts like North Korea by obfuscating figures” is in my experience entirely accurate. Some weeks ago I wrote an article advising readers of Lockdown Sceptics to be on the look-out for NHS revision of statistics by altering counting methods, burying embarrassing information in the middle of dense spreadsheets and concealing bad news. I think the issue of hospital acquired infection is a good example.
The data released on November 5th do not support the assertion of a health service close to collapse. Further, this information was clearly available before the vote on November 4th and should have been given to MPs before the division. Data from the ONS death statistics up to October 16th suggest that there has been a slight increase in the number of deaths compared to the five-year average for this time of year. However, the deaths in hospital from all respiratory causes including COVID-19 are lower than expected for this time of year – the excess deaths are occurring in people’s homes, not hospitals. It’s extremely unlikely these excess deaths are due to COVID-19 and much more likely they are due to heart disease.
Taken together, I find this situation troubling.
Professors Whitty and Vallance present information to the public, now accepted as grossly flawed and exaggerated, in support of a Government motion to severely restrict civil liberties.
The head of the NHS presents a one-sided, unchallenged narrative of imminent healthcare collapse, without mentioning that admissions across the UK appear to be levelling off, or that the percentage of patients needing critical care has dropped substantially, or acknowledging the percentage of hospital-acquired Covid infections. Information held by the NHS executive which should be in the public domain is concealed and suppressed, even from elected parliamentary representatives before a crucial national vote.
There has been no presentation to the public of the known healthcare costs of lockdown. Data on this issue will be published in the open literature in the next few weeks – too late to avert a damaging second lockdown.
Could someone explain to me why this situation does not constitute contempt of Parliament?
Dissent is suppressed by ridicule, exclusion or intimidation. Valid alternative interpretations of the data are ignored. Inconvenient metrics in relation to hospital-acquired infections or death rates are concealed. It’s not clear to me what path this Government is following, but I’m pretty sure it’s not a scientific one.
Daily Covid Cases Drop by 11.5% compared to last Sunday
Yesterday’s 20,572 coronavirus cases mark a significant drop of 2,682 compared to last Sunday’s total of 23,254. This cannot be due to Lockdown 2.0, which was only imposed on Thursday, and suggests cases were falling before the latest restrictions were imposed, just as they were before Lockdown 1.0 was imposed on March 23rd. The MailOnline has more.
Today’s all-settings death toll marks a drop of 3.7% on the 162 deaths reported this time last week.
It is also fewer than half the 413 deaths reported on Saturday – but figures on Sunday can be lower than usual due to a delay in processing over the weekend.
The positive drop in case numbers adds fuel to criticism against Boris Johnson’s trigger-happy lockdown put in place this week.
The Prime Minister pushed ahead with nation-wide restrictions amid concerns rapid spread of the virus in September and October is leading to surging hospital admissions across the North of England and sparking fears the NHS could be overwhelmed again.
But the move has proven controversial as streams of data from various sources – some official and some not – seem to show that the local lockdown policy was working.
Of today’s figures, England recorded 122 deaths, while Scotland announced three.
In Wales, 19 new deaths were reported, along with 744 new cases, as it prepares to leave its ‘firebreak’ lockdown tomorrow.
Seven deaths were recorded in Northern Ireland and an additional 420 cases.
Today’s figure come on the fourth day of England’s national lockdown, with Tory MPs warning Boris Johnson he will face a “massive revolt” if he tries to extend it beyond December 2nd.
Worth remembering that we’re still nowhere near Witless and Unbalanced ‘Graph of Doom’ prediction of 50,000 new positive cases per day and a very long way indeed from 1,000 deaths a day, let alone 4,000.
Looks like the British public were sold a pup by Boris and his henchmen.
Worth reading in full.
Stop Press: Ex-Conservative MP David Mellor in yesterday’s Mail on Sunday said that the dossier Boris presented to the public last Saturday was so dodgy even Tony Blair wouldn’t have touched it.
Protestors in Manchester Chant: “Take Off Your Masks”
There was a sizeable anti-lockdown protest in Manchester yesterday, resulting in four arrests. The Manchester Evening News has more.
Hundreds of people gathered in Piccadilly Gardens in central Manchester today to protest against the national lockdown.
The protest is believe to have got underway in the city centre at around 1pm.
There appeared to be little social distancing and none of the protesters appeared to be wearing masks.
Condemning the protest on Sunday evening, Greater Manchester Police said they estimated 600 were in attendance and said police officers responding to the incident were left injured.
They also said a large number of people had travelled to Manchester for the protest – including one group who came via coach from Cumbria.
Assistant Chief Constable Mabs Hussain said: “I would like to use this opportunity to publically condemn this gathering. Both the organisers and attendees were irresponsible – increasing demand on police who are also responding to calls regarding serious incidents and people who are in immediate danger across Greater Manchester.
“Under the Anti-social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act 2014, officers authorised a Section 34 Dispersal Order. They also arrested four people on suspicion of public order offences and issued 24 £200 Fixed Penalty Notices (FPNs). Enquiries are ongoing to also issue an FPN to the organiser.”
He added: “Whilst responding to this gathering, a number of officers were injured. This is unacceptable behaviour towards officers who were simply doing their job and protecting people. Investigators will now work to identify those responsible and ensure they face justice.”
Worth reading in full.
Was Boris Bounced Into Ordering Lockdown 2.0?
According to today’s Mail, Boris is furious about having been strong-armed into agreeing to a second lockdown after being shown dodgy data. Political Editor Jason Groves has more.
Boris Johnson believes he was bounced into ordering a second national lockdown, a Cabinet ally said last night.
The Prime Minister reluctantly signed off a new lockdown in England last weekend after being warned by Government scientists that deaths could rise to 4,000 a day – four times the peak seen in April.
The decision was rushed out with minimal Cabinet consultation after news of the warning, and the PM’s reaction to it, was leaked to news organisations, including the Daily Mail.
The 4,000-a-day figure has since been widely discredited and Government scientists have been forced to correct other dire warnings used to inform the lockdown decision.
Some data last week suggested that the second wave may have levelled off or even peaked before the lockdown was introduced last Thursday.
Yesterday another 156 Covid deaths were reported across the UK, down from 162 a week earlier.
Some 20,572 cases were recorded, a fall of 2,682 on the previous Sunday’s total of 23,254.
One Cabinet minister last night told the Daily Mail that Mr Johnson felt he had been pushed into the decision.
“I think he is concerned that he may have been bounced into it,” the source said.
“He was really, really cross about the leak because at that point a different decision might still have been made.
“There is also concern that some of the information used to inform the decision now seems to be crumbling.
“In fact the figures seem to be suggesting things were getting better before the lockdown began – we are being shut down for a month when we did not need to be.”
The source predicted the episode would harden the PM’s attitude against any attempt to renew the restrictions.
“It means a third or fourth lockdown is very unlikely,” the source said. “All of this goes against his political inclinations.”
Do we believe this? Or is Boris just trying to escape the blame for a political decision he took knowing full well it wasn’t supported by the data? It wouldn’t be the first time he wanted to have his cake and eat it. Not for nothing is the Prime Minister known as “the slippery pig” by some Tory grandees.
Worth reading in full.
Stop Press: The Mail on Sunday ran a powerful editorial yesterday saying that if Lockdown 2.0 doesn’t end on December 2nd it’s “curtains for Boris”.
Number of People With Suicidal Thoughts Trebles Since Lockdown
The number of people seeking help because of suicidal thoughts has tripled since lockdown, according to a new investigation, with some ambulance services seeing cases rise by almost two thirds. The Telegraph has more.
The Royal College of Psychiatrists said mental health services were “overflowing” with patients, with growing numbers struggling to cope with anxiety, psychosis and depression. Experts said millions were battling isolation, fear and post-traumatic stress, with many only seeking help when their crisis had become acute.
The number of people needing support and advice because of suicidal thoughts has tripled, with similar trends being seen among those with anxiety disorders, the new data shows.
London Ambulance Service has seen a 68% rise in suicides and attempted suicides, with crews now attending 37 cases a day compared to 22 this time last year. A survey of almost 700 psychiatrists revealed that six in 10 are now dealing with an increased number of emergency cases, including people needing to be sectioned for their own safety.
One doctor said bed shortages were so extreme that he had recently been unable to secure a specialist bed for a 17-year-old boy suffering from psychosis anywhere in the UK.
Very worrying.
Worth reading in full.
Stop Press: 50 charities and top doctors have signed an open letter to the Prime Minister urging him not to abandon cancer patients. Data from first wave suggests 35,000 extra deaths may be caused by cancer next year as a result of the second lockdown.
Message From the People’s Republic of Wales
A Welsh reader has sent an encouraging message.
Luckily for us we live in Wales, albeit by about 75 yards, and our “firebreak” ended yesterday. I’ve had a good look at the Welsh Government guidance that will apply from today. To be fair to Chairman Drakeford, he has clearly taken some sensible advice, presumably following the “non-essential” items furore, and toned down the rhetoric. With the exception of pointless face coverings, a “rule of four” in pubs and restaurants and daring to cross the border from plague-ridden England everything else appears to be guidance, as opposed to law, which will not be enforced by the police. He has clearly realised, or been told, that people respond better to gentle encouragement than diktats which I, with fifteen years experience of hostage and suicide intervention negotiation, could have told him from the outset.
For those of you unfortunate enough to live in England I have had a good look at the latest nonsense from Boris and his cronies and am of the view that it is all completely unenforceable. Everything comes with the “reasonable excuse” caveat but doesn’t define a reasonable excuse so if you are approached by the police for breaching one of the regulations simply claim to have a reasonable excuse as you don’t appear to have to define what that excuse is. People also need to understand that Fixed Penalty Notices are not compulsory so if a police officer tries to issue you with one, particularly if it is for a ridiculous sum of money, simply refuse to accept it and ask to be summoned to court instead. Preparing a summons file is a laborious task which most officers don’t have time to do and, in any case, the CPS have failed to prosecute anyone so far as the law is so vague.
Liverpool School Update
Readers will recall that on Saturday I published a letter that parents had been sent the previous day by the head of Broadgreen International School informing them that the Army would be testing their children today using the new lateral-flow test. Among the letter’s many horrors was this paragraph:
Under normal circumstances parental permission is sought for the testing of children, however under these very challenging circumstances that is not possible, therefore we would ask that if you wish to exclude your child from this test please do so in writing to me first thing on Monday morning.
Is that even legal? I got a message on Twitter from Liverpool City Council yesterday which suggests that it isn’t. It said: “Hi Toby, the letter sent to parents at this school was incorrect – parental consent is required. This is an entirely voluntary testing programme and only parents who return the consent forms will have their child tested.”
I replied as follows: “Thanks for letting me know. Have parents at the school been informed? And will you be issuing guidance to schools to make sure this mistake isn’t repeated?”
I then got this back: “Hello Toby, parents at the school have started to be informed and we are in conversation with schools across the city.”
I sincerely hope this is true. Liverpoool’s schoolchildren should not be used as guinea pigs in the roll out of Boris’s ‘Moonshot’ testing programme, and certainly not after their parents have been given so little notice and told that unless they object their children will be tested.
Stop Press: The school has indeed delayed the testing and informed parents that “opt in” consent will be required.
Stop Press 2: A paper published on April 20th by Professor Derrick Cook concluded that the ELISA and lateral flow immunoassays were “inadequate”.
Round-Up
- “Trump Is Gone. Trumpism Just Arrived” – Brilliant analysis of the US election results by Andrew Sullivan
- “Groupthink is the disease that forced us into this crisis” – Luke Johnson on top form in yesterday’s Sunday Times
- “Revealed: How thousands of patients died of coronavirus they caught in hospitals” – Article in the Mail on Sunday about nosocomial infection
- “Continuous lockdowns will be human disaster on colossal scale” – Saira Khan, a Mirror columnist, has become a lockdown sceptic
- “Court Declares Gov. Newsom’s Abuse of Power Unconstitutional” – Californian court rules the Governor has abused his powers by issuing countless coronavirus executive orders
- Conversation with Sir Desmond Swayne – Louise from Save Our Rights Uk talks to Sir Desmond Swayne about the lockdowns
- “Wales prepares to come OUT of two-week lockdown” – First Minister Mark Drakeford says infection rates are plateauing in the principality
- “Dominic Raab warns ‘mutated version of coronavirus’ linked to Danish mink farms could undermine COVID-19 vaccine efforts” – No shit Sherlock
- “‘Mink virus’ alert as hospitals ordered to keep suspected cases in isolation” – The Telegraph has an exclusive: every hospital in the country has been ordered to isolate suspected “mink virus” patients amid increasing efforts to prevent a mutant strain of Covid from spreading to Britain
- “One in eight shops failed to reopen after first lockdown” – The Times reports that 5,552 shops remain closed
- “Thousands flock to UK beauty spots during first weekend of national covid lockdown as Brits enjoy the great outdoors” – The Sun says few people if any observed Lockdown 2.0 yesterday
- “Ministers warn lockdown flouters that the police are preparing to escalate their response” – The Telegraph says police are going to issue more on-the-spot fines
- “18 Trump rallies have led to 30,000 COVID-19 cases: Stanford University study” – Sounds unlikely and worth noting that similar studies weren’t done to see how many cases the BLM protests led to
- “Douglas Murray: Lockdown obsession is a ‘prelude to total collapse’ if it continues” – Douglas Murray on Sky News Australia warns that lockdowns cannot continue for much longer
- “I will never forgive the clowns who cancelled Remembrance Sunday” – Peter Hitchens’s column in the Mail on Sunday say he will never forgive the Government for cancelling Remembrance Sunday
- “Tesco & Sainsbury’s close off non-essential parts of stores amid English lockdown” – The Government promised not to do it, but it’s happened anyway according to Retail Gazette
- “Our ship of fools sails on, from one destructive lockdown to the next” – Jeremy Warner in the Telegraph is becoming quite despairing
- “Is the cost of another lockdown too high?” – Good article in the Spectator by Philip Thomas
- “First do no harm” – The open letter to Boris from nearly 500 health professionals and scientists pulled together by UsForThem and Recovery that I mentioned yesterday
- Piers Corbyn Harassed by Police – Disturbing footage of Piers Corbyn being harassed by the police on leaving Bromley Magistrates Court
- “The Real Normal Podcast – Episode 21” – A podcast devoted to the infamous episode in 2007 when PCR testing led the Profs at Dartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center to misdiagnose a Whooping Cough outbreak
Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers
Just one today: “The Gates of Delirium” by Yes, “Walking on the Edge” by Wilko Johnson and “I’m Walking Backwards For Christmas” by the Goons.
Love in the Time of Covid
We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.
Sharing stories: Some of you have asked how to link to particular stories on Lockdown Sceptics. The answer used to be to first click on “Latest News”, then click on the links that came up beside the headline of each story. But we’ve changed that so the link now comes up beside the headline whether you’ve clicked on “Latest News” or you’re just on the Lockdown Sceptics home page. Please do share the stories with your friends and on social media.
Woke Gobbledegook
We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, I’m bringing you an extract from Andrew Sullivan’s column about the US election results, which, according to him, shows how fed up to the back teeth most Americans are with woke dogma.
And this was also clearly and unequivocally a rejection of the woke left. The riots of the summer turned many people off. In exit polls, 88 percent of Trump voters say it was a factor in their choice. On the question of policing and criminal justice, Trump led Biden 46 — 43 percent. For the past five years, Democrats have been telling us that Trump and his supporters were white supremacists, that he was indeed the “First White President” in Ta-Nehisi Coates’ words, that all minorities were under assault by the modern day equivalent of the KKK. And yet, the GOP got the highest proportion of the minority vote since 1960! No wonder Charles Blow’s head exploded.
We may find out more as exit polling is pored over, but in the current stats, Trump measurably increased his black, Latino, gay and Asian support. 12 percent of blacks — and 18 percent of black men — backed someone whom the left has identified as a “white supremacist”, and 32 percent of Latinos voted for the man who put immigrant children in cages, giving Trump Florida and Texas. 31 percent of Asians and 28 percent of the gay, lesbian and transgender population also went for Trump. The gay vote for Trump may have doubled! We’ll see if this pans out. But it’s an astonishing rebuke of identity politics and its crude assumptions about how unique individuals vote.
Why did minorities shift slightly rightward after enduring four years of Trump? First off, many obviously rejected the narrative being pushed out by every elite media source: that the core of Trump’s appeal was racism. They saw a more complicated picture. I suspect that many African-Americans, for example, were terrified of “defunding the police” and pleased to be economically better off, with record low unemployment before Covid19 hit. Many legal Latino citizens, perplexing leftists, do not want continued mass immigration, and are socially conservative. Asians increasingly see the woke as denying their children fair access to education, and many gays just vote on various different issues, now that the civil rights question has been largely resolved by the Supreme Court.
Obviously a big majority of non-white and non-straight voters still backed Democrats. But the emergence of this coalition of minority conservatives is fascinating — and, of course, a complete refutation of what critical race theory tells us how minorities must feel. Ditto the gender gap. It’s there, but not quite the gulf we were led to believe. We have again been told insistently that being female in America today is a constant nightmare of oppression, harassment, violence and misogyny; and that no one represents this more potently than Donald “grab ‘em by the pussy” Trump. And yet white women still voted for Trump 55 to 43 percent. Among white women with no college education, arguably those most vulnerable to the predations of men, Trump got 60 percent support. This is not a wave of rage; and it suggests that the left’s notion of patriarchy is, in 2020, something many, many women just don’t buy, or do not believe should outweigh other, more important issues.
And look at California, one of the most leftist states in the country, and minority-majority. The initiative to allow public institutions to discriminate openly on the basis of race — in order to favor some groups over others on the Ibram X. Kendi model — decisively failed, after months of unceasing propaganda about “white supremacy” and the need to counter it. So did an attempt to regulate the gig economy and to expand rent control. The appeal of assimilation and economic success among Latinos is not, pace the critical race theorists, an attempt to gain the advantages of “white-adjacency”. It’s simply the American way, paved by generations of immigrant groups before them.
This is one of the best analyses of the US election results I’ve read so far.
Worth reading in full.
Stop Press: Sarah Phillimore, a barrister specialising in child protection, has started a CrowdJustice fundraiser so she can bring a case against the police to get them to remove a ‘non-crime hate incident’ they’ve recorded against her name. Donate here.
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards
We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.99 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.
Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face masks in shops here.
A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.
And here’s an excellent piece about the ineffectiveness of masks by a Roger W. Koops, who has a doctorate in organic chemistry.
Mask Mandate: According to Fox News, Biden is planning to implement mask mandates nationwide as one of his first acts as President.
Stop Press: West Midlands Police challenged a shopper in Sainsbury’s who wasn’t wearing a mask. He explained that he was exempt because he suffered from anxiety and they threatened to arrest him unless he either put a mask on or left the shop. The West Midlands Police later apologised: “We got this wrong and we’re sorry for any upset & distress we’ve caused.”
The Great Barrington Declaration
The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched last month and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it. If you Googled it a week after launch, the top hits were three smear pieces from the Guardian, including: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this hit job the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now tops the search results – and Toby’s Spectator piece about the attempt to suppress it is among the top hits – although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has also done a smear job.)
You can find it here. Please sign it. Now well over 600,000 signatures.
Update: The authors of the GDB have expanded the FAQs to deal with some of the arguments and smears that have been made against their proposal. Worth reading in full.
Update 2: Many of the signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration are involved with new UK anti-lockdown campaign Recovery. Find out more and join here.
Update 3: You can watch Sunetra Gupta set out the case for “Focused Protection” here and Jay Bhattacharya make it here.
Judicial Reviews Against the Government
There are now so many JRs being brought against the Government and its ministers, we thought we’d include them all in one place down here.
First, there’s the Simon Dolan case. You can see all the latest updates and contribute to that cause here.
Then there’s the Robin Tilbrook case. You can read about that and contribute here.
Then there’s John’s Campaign which is focused specifically on care homes. Find out more about that here.
There’s the GoodLawProject’s Judicial Review of the Government’s award of lucrative PPE contracts to various private companies. You can find out more about that here and contribute to the crowdfunder here.
The Night Time Industries Association has instructed lawyers to JR any further restrictions on restaurants, pubs and bars.
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Good morning all
Morning!
Good morning to you all!
Got to the suicide bit and just today I’ve had them feels exactly. I’m not capable of whacking myself but the feeling to not be alive anymore has filled me on a handful of occasions in just the past couple of months. It really sucks to have that thought/desire take the wheel.
Now, the fact I’m a recovering addict and have been alone my whole life (as in no love) surely accounts for the majority of the damage within, I have no doubt Coronamania and Mask-o-rama is adding a nice touch of despair into the mix. The compliance factor out there is staggering. I’ve always been a bit different but now I’m a full blown alien species and likely superspreader with my evil bare face.
Having said all this I’ll just carry on and live it out one day at a time. Got me a new pair of cats to make the rest of the way bearable…they’re lodged in my heart already!!
Listen to those pussycats purring, Eddie.Settle them on your lap and stroke them. Watch them play. All’s right with their world, so long as you’re there for. them. And they’ll welcome you to their world.
Your bare face spreads humanity, sanity, the ability to smile and show emotion. Be proud of being a superspreader.
Remember that every smile, every appearance. of you as a human bring, every positive thought, is a poke in the eye for THEM.That alone makes life worth living.
Bless you, Annie. Will you marry me?
Can’t, alas, I’m a dog person and the cats wouldn’t stand fir it. Cat-and-dog existence and all that. Thanks for the offer, though!
BTW, if you also like dogs and your heart needs warming, check out the ‘Olive and Mabel’, videos on You tube.
Well, no harm in asking.
Wasn’t Eddie asking btw, it was me. 
Sorry. Didn’t intend to commit virtual bigamy.
Olive and Mabel on zoom call; priceless.
I’ve also started getting hooked on Messi and Gerda…weird big cats in Russia.
@eddie; animals help big time.
I put down my last surviving cat at the end of August and embarked on life completely alone first time in 18 years. The days since then have been empty and a few of them as dark as it gets. I feel much better now with my new kids keeping me company!
eddie, I have shared my own version of that feeling when being with one of my beloved dogs or cats (friends and loved ones, as they were to me). The new kids , as you are now blessed with enjoying, are wonderful though, aren’t they? Circle of life.
Aaaaaah!
Jealous?
Thank you Annie, I will love them with all I got and then some!
A superspreader of sanity!! That’s a fantastic way of looking at it
I’m glad you have the cats – it’s hard to beat the purring answer to your scritches behind the ears and under the chin. Also, listening to the little noises as they eat the kibble you provide them is priceless.
Haha so true…I can hear them crunching away from my bed
Watch a few episodes of Simon’s Cat. It’s been keeping me sane lately
Yes, that cat is a tonic.
I’m very sorry to hear you’re having a bad day, Eddie. I can understand what you say about feeling that people look at you as a ‘likely superspreader with your evil bare face’ – it’s hard to understand how this version of the world has come to be.
I am glad to hear about your cats. They will soon have you nicely trained up in all their little preferences and ways. Cats are excellent line managers for their humans.
Thank you Alethea…yes I will soon be a well trained servant attending to their every wish
Eddie, you have a community here and we support you. Did you attend meetings before lockdown? Have you had any support from those members. Never hesitate to call one of the many organisations – Samaritans, Mind, AA, etc. – and ask specifically to talk to someone anti lockdown and anti mask. TALKING about it helps, I promise. Just today I realized another hideous aspect of masks is that – when you can’t see a person’s facial expression, your nervous system automatically goes into alert mode, triggering “fight or flight” and producing stress hormone. DO NOT LOOK AT MASKED FACES! For your safety. Look at the floor or to the side of someone. Eddie, you are not alone. So many people support you. I do for one. Stay strong. ONE DAY AT A TIME! Big virtual hug!
Hi CNC and thanks for replying. The addiction thing is pretty easy now. It’s the putting back together the pieces of my shattered life that I’m finding near impossible.
And I definitely agree – as brief as possible eye contact with maskers!
Thanks for the hug !!
Yes and so true. I do not look at the masked faces at all. I and my husband who are always maskless, went to the park yesterday and were treated like lepers by a maskless woman who leapt so far away from us. Is this planet earth?
Enjoy your cats. Cats are loyal friends who make life worth living.
Well done and thanks for the encouragement. This forum is fantastic as well, thanks everyone.
Yesterday evening I was in a bad state and a reader here phoned me up and she has two cats, one sitting on her and the other I pretended was sitting on me. Worked a treat.
Thanks Rosie. We definitely got each other, be it virtual or just over in the neighboring town. Meow meow hello from my two felines, Pele and Maggie
Meowwww ! Hi to Pele and Maggie, you’ll make a great family with Eddie
BTW Eddie, I’m involved in designing a local network support system, just working on the philosophy and having a design meeting on Thursday, hopefully, so hang on in there!
That sounds wonderful Rosie!
Okay 9am here and I better get some work done. Have a good evening!
Hope your day goes well, Eddie.
We’re trying to make the design replicable up to any scale. It’ll need IT backup if you know anyone (we have got one, hopefully he’ll be free on Thursday).
Good morning Eddie.
I can only second the other comments here encouraging you on. As someone who has found this lockdown hard, I can only sympathise with you especially as I’ve been harboring dark thoughts over the past few months.
With this lockdown, I’m not complying. I am out and about away from my neighbourhood as much as I can for the sake of my mental health and as for those with masks, I simply ignore them – taking a book with me on public transport is useful as I don’t have to see the muzzled faces. Plus I managed to get Mr Bart to stop wearing a face covering when we’re together saying that half the time I can’t understand him and that it causes me distress.
Stay strong and all the best!
Thanks and same to you and Mr BS
Hi Eddie, really sorry to hear you’re having a bad day. God knows we all have them more now – the masked brigade is a drag.
Get out there and show your face.
Will do!
Eddie, if you feel alien, it’s because the bemuzzled have been deprived of their humanity! You’re the real human here.
Try not to despair. Enjoy the autumn colours, which are stunning this year.
Enjoy your cats. Find things that make you smile or, even better, laugh.
I recommend Alice’s Diary:The Memoir of a Cat by Vernon Coleman to get you trained ready for your two felines and give you a few gentle chuckles.
For belly laught, I recommend the Dublin Trilogy (all five books!) by Caimh McDonnell. A Man with one of those faces is the first in the series. Nobody can possibly read about Bunny McGarry and feel miserable.
If you have a Kindle, they’re all available on Kindle Unlimited.
Many thanks Cheezilla…I definitely need a good laugh and your recommendations sound perfect. Cheers!
Best wishes Eddie, you have friends here.
Love that name btw
Good morning. I assume it’s another Covid groundhog day!
Not quite.Every day the resistance builds.
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Thriced
“I keep on fighting for the things I want
Though I know that when you’re dead you can’t But I’d rather be a free man in my grave Than living as a puppet or a slave”
– Jimmy Cliff 1972 –
Nice!!!
“I’d rather be a free man in my grave Than living as a puppet or a slave”
Had this line on my Insta bio for the past month…exactly how we all should feel right now.
I’d rather be a free woman and live, and see the totalitarian scum into their graves.
Right on sister. That’s the attitude we should all have.
Not quite true. Apparently when you are dead you can vote for Biden.
(Several times).
Andrew Neil and statistician David Spiegelhalter – The Week in 60 Minutes #10 | SpectatorTV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhDBJjaCh2k
Neil speaks to Spiegelhalter from about 33:30. Watch it if you like (to get angry).
35:30 – He says the tiers were working while ignoring the fact that the ‘case’ numbers were coming down, even while the politicians were still arguing about money, and before the tiers were brought in.
I was really disheartened to hear Spiegelhalter defend the figures being produced by the government; he talks as if the figures for ‘cases’, admissions’, and ‘deaths’ are all REAL.
Everyone know they’re bollocks!
35:50 – He says the current 25,000 ‘cases’ per day “is absolutely certain to lead to“, in 2 weeks to 2,500
‘admissions’ per day which, in turn, will lead to 500 deaths a day.
He even tells Fraser Nelson (re. the discredited 50,000 cases graph), “…don’t keep on dragging it out…” as it’s “…unfair to the scientists…” What a complete prick!
It appears he is not only a statistician; he’s also an epidemiologist!
He says all the talk about false positives is “complete nonsense and utter misinformation“, and reckons the rate is “much less than 1 in 2,000”
It keeps coming: “The PCR test is pretty good, even for mass testing…”
There, you don’t need to watch it now!
Highly respected statistician? My arse! I wouldn’t trust this knob to count my fingers and give me the right answer!
Fully bought man! On the fucking list!
He’s actually fantastic, he’s the guy who uncovered Harold Shipman using data, and his book about statistics is fantastic for the layman. But, yeah, this doesn’t appear to be his finest hour.
Presumably in the past, health service data was more trustworthy (even if Shipman wasn’t).
Perhaps because he caught Shipman through data he thinks that is the whole story. He doesn’t have the biologists’ appreciation of what constitutes ‘Garbage In, Garbage Out’ in this instance.
Yes well, he certainly was fantastic, but has gradually turned. He’s funded by an independent outfit with lots of money. I’ve tried them a couple of times and suggest that they would be a good target for letters. Try to stop the rot before it gets worse.
I was aware of him early on in this disaster. Yes, he analyses data, but has a tendency to not ask too deeply about the trustworthiness of the data – or he sometimes does that separately without combining the two concepts at the same time. Very frustrating.
This thing about the 1-in-2000 false positives: I keep seeing someone in the Spectator comments making the same mistake. They’re referring to the infections-per-hundred-thousand figures that you see being quoted, assuming that this must be the number of positive tests divided by the number of tests. If this is 1-in-2000 then that surely puts an upper limit on the number of false positives, right? Well, no. I think those figures are in reality the number of positive results for a city divided by the population in the city – or something similar. The denominator is fixed, so the figure scales with number of tests done and will be lower than the false positive rate.
In a true randomised test, you’d divide the number of positives by the number of tests carried out and quote that as a fraction. If you wanted to then convert that to infected-per-hundred thousand, you’d multiply it by 100,000. People (Spiegelhalter, too?) are assuming that that is how these figures are derived. I don’t think so. The tests are not truly randomised in that the saps who queue up to be tested are self-selecting, so perhaps that is why the authorities are using this other method. And it has the benefit for them that they can cause spikes and surges at will by modulating the testing effort.
The interview with Sir Desmond Swayne made an interesting point. Anyone as high profile and outspoken as he is would normally receive hundreds of letters from both dissenters and supporters – yet he can count the dissenters on one hand. Why?
If 60% of us really delight in being locked up, and are thrilled to destroy the economy for generations to come, then why aren’t more people objecting to what he is saying?
I suspect that the polls, once again, have deceived us into thinking that it’s a majority belief, hoping that many will just go along with it. And many do out of respect.
It’s a classic psychological persuasion technique, and given that the government has used these before with absolute impunity, I would not be at all surprised if the UK polls regarding lockdown support are completely rigged.
Local Live
‘Spooky pictures of deserted City centre streets during lockdown’.
Not from what I’ve observed during 4 days of lockdown 2 which is a surprisingly high footfall given that hardly anything is open in the city centre. Mostly unmasked so presumably not scared of the Covid this time
Most of the photos are taken within two privately owned shopping centres which have Security Guards to bar entry
and the one of an actual street was clearly taken very early in the day.
Propaganda through and through, time for boris and his pirate regime to go.
Rigged by our own side.. and likely also infiltrated by outside regimes…
Totally unscientific. I wish I could get hold of those leading questions!!
I suspect that many here have been involved in commissioning polls and PR campaigns. The first question the agency asks is ‘what’s your goal this time?’. Then the poll/questionnaire/campaign is designed to provide the answers to support the goal. 101.
‘Don’t worry, we can get any answer you want to install the fear and compliance you want, dear client’.
Instil not install
Exactly. If I had a dollar for every “survey” I’ve looked at, only to close, because it was clear what result they were seeking with a lot of “when did you stop beating your wife?” -style questions.
That’s why I’ve never trusted the polls, I’ve always thought they were rigged and the way the questions are structured are manipulative which push respondents to answer in a way the pollsters want to hear.
The MSM as always are still up to their dirty tricks. I saw a tweet from the USA’s ABC news claiming that the fireworks in the UK were due to Biden being elected, myself and other people pointed out that we have a tradition called Bonfire Night, not everything is about America and that the vast majority of the British people couldn’t give a stuff about the presidential elections.
It could be the questions but if caught they would come up as misleading which is illegal. I rather think it is the size of the sample, and the difficulty in selecting the right sample ie that represents the country as a whole, because it’s not as easy to pick who will be for and against a Lockdown. Political leanings tend to be demographically based and have historical data. Could you have known who was going to be a Lockdown Bedwetter? I’ve been surprised many times.
I used to fill out surveys and they find a way of filtering out people such as getting you to add your post code, mention what your age group is, gender, etc. If you refuse to answer those questions or they decide they already have more than enough respondents in your respective groups, then you get kicked out.
America deserves their new far left geriatric president I also do not want to see our Government kowtow to him either, it looks like Joe has an attitude problem with us like Obama did I do not care personally
I never understood why successive governments have always gone on & on about the “special relationship”, it is nothing of the sort. If anything Harold Macmillan was more on the money when he likened the UK to the Greeks trying to civilise the USA’s Rome.
Fast forward to today, they don’t really need us. Far better in my opinion if we stuck to Palmerston’s dictum that there are no permanent allies or enemies only permanent interests. Its time we got rid of this craven kowtowing to the USA and the chattering classes’ pathological obsession with American politics and culture.
timeforrecovery.org commissioned a poll and found much more opposition to lockdown than any other poll has reported. Sorry I can’t find a link now. If I had enough spare money I would get a few decent polls designed and executed, to take some of the guesswork about what messages to focus on and to know the true extent of what we face.
They often poll only about 1000 people out of 67 million for these YouGovs. They are supposed to be representative of every region….but seriously?
I did one that asked “Should the Government protect lives or protect the economy?” Obviously designed to make people feel a heartless granny killer if they answered the latter.
Polls are a propaganda tool. This is known and even has a name (voter suppression).
Can you give a reference? Wikipedia on “voter suppression” does not mention opinion polls as far as I can see.
Yes, the polls are wrong. I signed up to Yougov and their polls are extremely loaded. They do not give any options to object to lockdown most of the time, and load their questions with ‘facts’ beforehand in many cases. Nothing but a pro-lockdown and pro-mask campaigning machine (like the BBC)
That was my impression too!
I think lockdown, Great Reset, climate change and AI zealous Gens Y and Z have brainwashed many of their parents and grandparents.
Most are ignorant of the consequences and/or think they won’t be on the losers side.
From history, I can tell you who will lose the most eventually though, and they don’t fathom that at all, yet:
all soldiers, policemen, teachers, bin collectors, civil servants etc. and all state and final salary pensioners.
They were in the poorhouse in Germany from 1945-1975, as the state could only spend what the private sector earned, and as it couldn’t borrow much, and that only at high rates, for a generation.
Serves them well.
Plus ca change….
https://youtu.be/G0ZZJXw4MTA
Matt says Covid vaccines are safe and effective, so you’d better believe it!
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/social-media-giants-agree-package-of-measures-with-uk-government-to-tackle-vaccine-disinformation
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8927865/GCHQ-spies-launch-cyber-counter-attack-against-anti-vaccine-propaganda-spread-Russia.html
Civil liberties anybody?
Safe and effective, Why do the inserts list 100s of side effects then? But the propaganda does look silly though, depicting Boris as an ape after taking it. Better to take the Russian one that’s made of Smirnoff Vodka
They are not worried about daft Russian propaganda – I submitted evidence about this to the Fake News Inquiry three years ago – they are about worried ordinary citizens swapping legitimate information.
http://data.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/committeeevidence.svc/evidencedocument/digital-culture-media-and-sport-committee/fake-news/written/76219.html
The moves were set in motion, shamefully through the Spectator, by Seth Berkley. the head of the global vaccine cartel (GAVI) in 2017.
https://www.bmj.com/content/357/bmj.j2449/rr-13
They have been working on it ever since.
https://www.ageofautism.com/2020/02/uk-law-commissioner-threatens-criminal-action-against-vaccine-critics.html
Lots of people who ought to know better.
Thanks for this, John. It’s wonderful to see you commentimg here.
Those of us who have watched the machinations of the vaccine cartel over long periods have not been shocked by any of this.
Mrs S
Thank you! However, I promise you I am shocked to the core by all of it notwithstanding having predicted last November that we were on the edge of some global catastrophic turning point
https://www.ageofautism.com/2019/10/the-id2020-alliance-the-global-totalitarian-project-hiding-behind-the-vaccine-drive.html
I said it and moved on, and then it caught up with us all.
PS In my experience when people exchange information about vaccination on the web it is mostly genuine data, Patient Information Leaflets, studies, published government data, FOIs, maybe personal experiences. What I have never seen is Russian cyber-junk. Once or twice I saw stupid stories from Newspunch or something and suggested to people that they were not well sourced and should not be used. But what the government is worried about is the hard data, a lot of which is damning. Obviously, this awful present episode will make people ask many more questions about what public health is generally up to. I feel very sad about it.
Hi John, are you working with Reiner Fuellmich’s group?
We published a transcript of his video on our website
https://www.ageofautism.com/2020/10/reiner-fuellmich-crimes-against-humanity-transcript.html
I don’t know whether it is the right legal approach (no doubt there should be several), but it is interesting.
My multilingual friend who lived in German for over 40 years is taking it very seriously indeed, They are working with a great many others and I think the UK legal people are way behind them.
What it needs, IMO, is a groundswell of popular support. These destroyers need to start feeling frightened.
Although they are receiving huge numbers of emails, they are actively looking for more people to work on this. I think you should be sending them your information, and please be sure to have it securely printed and backed up.
Awkward Git here also sends his FOI info to them and to Mina Dew. I hope his stuff is secure as well.
Fuellmich and associates also want translators if your JF person wants to contact them.
There’s a new report/open letter out from ACU2020 as well that needs translating urgently. Ask you translator to contact Paul Gregory here please http://www.klasseverantwortung.de/index.html
Thanks!
I see that article about the UK Law Commissioner threatening criminal action against vaccine critics is from 1st February. What foresight she had !
Yes, and the Prime Minister has been abusing vaccine critics like none before him
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/british-prime-minister-boris-johnson-systemic-patient-abuse-and-state-repression/
so happy to find i’m not the only vc sceptic, thanks for posting this !!
The SmPC for an established vaccine considers reports of adverse effects in millions of patients being treated. You will see most side effects listed with a frequency “not known”, which euphemistically means “there have been a tiny number of reports of this, perhaps only 2 or 3”. Note also that these are not necessarily related to the vaccine. They could be a genuine side effect, or could be just a coincidence.
The number of potential side effects listed isn’t really that important, because most of them are rare, so rare that in many cases it is not even possible to establish a causal relationship. You don’t – this is important – need any solid evidence for a listed adverse effect to be actually causally related. With products administered to millions of people manufacturers are keen to ensure there is limited risk of any accusation that they are “hiding” an adverse effect, because that creates liability issues, so the labelled side effects grow.
It’s generally true of vaccines that mild, time-limited side effects are fairly common, and severe side effects vanishingly rare. This will probably be true of any covid vaccine, but it is still highly irresponsible for politicians to pre-empt the studies and claim (by insinuation) that any covid vaccine will be safe. Or even effective. We just don’t know either of those things yet and won’t know until large-scale studies are completed.
At the very least, politicians bleating about how good and safe the corona vaccines are now, before there is any data in at all, hardly increases public trust in the vaccines once they are available. That’s before we even start to think about whether it is worth any kind of population-wide vaccination against this. I tend to think it is (1) too late in Europe/US and (2) the consequence of covid is too low to be worth the cost. Vaccination might be valuable in Australia and New Zealand. Covid lethality is comparable to that of the other endemic coronaviruses against which we don’t vaccinate. We are only noticing this one because it is making its first pass through the population.
er is a side effect not an injury. it’s the side effects that produce the injury. ???
Good question.
Are side effects temporary while permanent negative effects are clearly damage?
Yes, but of course no one in the NHS would be keen to suggest a side effect would cause an injury. Where would it end if they started listening to parents instead of branding them as “antivaxxers”.
OK, let’s slow down. Side effects, injuries, permanent negative effects, damage, the terminology is getting confusing. Let’s use what is used in the industry, there is only one term, “adverse effect”. It’s used for any “negative” incidents that occur to the patient in a clinical trial, and by analogy in the safety monitoring that has to be done for all products on the market (pharmacovigilance).
The adverse effect may have been caused by the product, or it may not have been. It’s often difficult to tell. It may be severe, or not, and it may go away after a while, or it may last a long time, perhaps even until you are dead. Such permanent effects are very rare for most products. Any adverse effects need to be weighed up against the benefit of the product, at the time of licensing, and by the physician and patient upon deciding to treat. Obviously if you have terminal cancer and there is a drug that will extend your life for 6 months, both the authorities and patients tend to accept a rather higher burden of adverse effects than for, say, a vaccine administered to a healthy child.
Vaccines are overwhelmingly safe. Because bad things happen anyway, and millions of people receive vaccines every year it is always possible to find someone who had some terrible event shortly after receiving a vaccine, but it is really difficult to either show there is a causal relationship, or rule one out.
What concerns me here is the rush to judgment of the authorities, that the vaccines are both safe (extremely likely even though we don’t know yet) and effective (less likely) before any data is even published. These unscientific clowns will no doubt also rush into mandating or coercing a global vaccination programme, which will probably achieve very little, other than to be accompanied by the data collection exercise that seemed to be suspiciously well planned at a very early stage in the pandemic. Countries that have isolated themselves are the ones that will need widespread vaccination, not Europe or the US.
The efficacy – well, the 90% being touted looks like a relative risk, which can be misleading since it only considers the numbers getting infected. It means 10 times more patients were infected in the placebo arm than in the treatment arm, which is not actually a lot of difference given the very low number of infections in both arms. the >99% of patients who were not infected in the placebo arm (at least over the current duration of the study) will have obtained no benefit from the vaccination, and this magnifies the weight of any safety issues. Of those, if we accept Yeadon’s arguments (which I find convincing) then perhaps 30% of those are still at risk of infection, and running the trial for longer you will see more infections in both groups, but disproportionately in the placebo group.
I also think infection (depending on how they have assessed it) is a reasonable proxy for harm from the disease. Not infected = zero possibility of becoming seriously ill or dying.
And more detail is needed – we need to look at the vulnerable subgroups – if any were even recruited. It’s ethically very difficult to include care-dependent patients in a trial, but apparently it might be OK to forcibly vaccinate them… We know common coronaviruses kill around 5% of care-dependent elderly who get infected, this new one is the same. Is the vaccine as effective in that high-risk target group?
Moderna’s vaccine has generally been described as “safe” even though they had four grade 3 events in their Phase I on healthy subjects. Grade 3 means “requires hospital treatment”, one level below life-threatening. That’s unlikely to be the public’s idea of “safe”!
No, grade 3 does not necessarily mean “requiring hospital treatment”, an AE requiring hospital treatment would be labelled as “serious”, which is a separate axis from the severity scale. I’ve been doing this every day for some 20 years, been involved in some way with at least 100 clinical trials, so there’s no point trying to bamboozle me.
As the deaths from/with covid are rightly criticised for being free of context, so is saying “N events of grade X”. What’s the denominator? How many patients? Were they grade 3 “got hit by a car” where we can rule out with some confidence that there is a relation to the product?
We skeptics rightly criticise the lockdowners for cherry-picking. Let’s not descend to the lockdowners’ level.
Touché! I count a total of 45 subjects (aged 18-55) in their Phase I press release: https://investors.modernatx.com/news-releases/news-release-details/moderna-announces-positive-interim-phase-1-data-its-mrna-vaccine Adverse events were 1x grade 3 erythema and 3x grade 3 systemic symptoms. “All adverse events have been transient and self-resolving. No grade 4 adverse events or serious adverse events have been reported.”
There’s more detail in their NEJM paper https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2022483#figures_media including the other mild-to-moderate adverse events. Personally I’d rather take my chances with COVID-19.
No, because in almost no case are the sequelae seriously monitored with a marketed vaccine but side effects are often frequent and unpleasant – likely will be according to reports with the Covid vaccines. Many PILs list frequent unpleasant side effects. In the case of the Bexsero Men B vaccine, for example, which we give to infants 3 times each shot carries an up to 1 in 1000 risk of Kawasaki disease which if you give to 600,000 infants a year is not negligible.
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m3933/rr-2
But for all vaccines there is a serious absence of double blind safety studies against genuine placebo.
https://www.bmj.com/content/365/bmj.l4291/rr-37
A lot of the fury is directed at the public because the officials cannot answer and the science is often half-baked. It may be particularly half-baked in the case of the new Covid vaccines. As of the present today I see that Pfizer are claiming 90% effectiveness at preventing cases of the disease but there is no end point for mortality.
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4037
We have the prospect of people having unpleasant side effects who might have only had a mild or asymptomatic version of the disease. Of course, the long term effects are completely unstudied.
The labelling of Kawasaki disease with Bexsero is based on a clinical trial incidence of 0.12% versus 0.07% (over the duration of the study). There might be a real effect, and maybe there is even a causal relationship. Certainly the manufacturers and regulators agree it is sufficiently probable to label it. It’s licensed because meningitis is a terrible, and terribly common thing to get as a baby (definitely worse than the, admittedly unpleasant but overly scary-sounding Kawasaki disease), but is not actually in widespread use here in Germany, or I understand in the UK, ironically because the evidence for efficacy is quite limited.
You don’t need a mortality endpoint if you are preventing the thing that might cause the mortality. A more effective line of attack would be to point out that you would have to do an unfeasibly enormous study to see a mortality effect (which is why they are not doing it), because covid simply isn’t that lethal, at least in the kind of population that typically gets recruited to this kind of trial. And if your number needed to treat to prevent 1 death in the US/European population is, say, 8,000 (my ball-park guesstimate from combining Yeadon’s immunological argument with the IFR in patients <65), this rather raises the question of why we are bothering with a vaccine in the first place. Meningitis kills closer to 1 in 10, maybe more, infants who get infected, and leaves many more with permanent disabilities, which is why a vaccine is available.
Kawasaki will kill or lead to premature death if not recognised and treated. Families are not being told to look out for it, but everyone who asked to give their child that vaccine ought to be warned. It is a lot more common than Men B wich is of course the absolute nightmare scenario, no question.
Vaccine Damage Payment
“If you’re severely disabled as a result of a vaccination against certain diseases, you could get a one-off tax-free payment of £120,000. This is called a Vaccine Damage Payment.”
https://www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment
£120k payoff won’t get very far looking after a vaccine disabled child/adult for the rest of their lives. Also extremely difficult to prove as the majority of doctors believe that vaccines are inherently safe and you need their sign off to claim.
UK plans to use AI to process adverse reactions to Covid vaccines (paywall)
“A government contract shows the Medicines and Healthcare Regulatory Authority has paid a software company called Genpact UK £1.5m to develop an AI to to “process the expected high volume of…”
https://www.ft.com/content/17a306cd-be75-48b4-996e-0c2916b34797
Always read the package insert for side effects prior to deciding whether getting a vaccine or take prescribed medication.
In 2009 the MHRA failed to detect the association between the Pandemrix swine flu vaccine and narcolepsy. Nine years later when writing to BMJ they were completely unrepentant about it:
https://www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k4152/rr-11
There is in fact a legal obligation on the NHS/government to inform patients of the full range side-effects/harms following the Montgomery vs Lanarkshire Appeal of 2013-15, but one would imagine infrequently observed.
https://www.bmj.com/content/363/bmj.k4152/rr-11
Don’t take any vaccine.
The side-effects should be widely publicised … Do we have the list?
First link doesn’t work
Try again – just worked for me through the site.
I thought that Daily Mail article was a spoof it is so outrageous. I loved one of the comments:
Imagine a virus so deadly, you need a test to see if you have it. Imagine a vaccine so safe and effective you have to threaten and force people to take it. Imagine a product so safe that the manufacturers have to be exempt from prosecution for all the harm their product will cause?
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yeah yeah Toby.. but Great Reset, Great Reset, Great Reset, Great Reset…
First article:
Toby; I love what you have done re. the lockdown; giving us this site, giving people somewhere to share information and advice; giving hope to a lot of people, and to others, some comfort.
But as for the above: nope, not buying it! Not buying it for a single second!
If absenteeism in a couple of areas was an issue, their Tier system, that they tell us was working, would have dealt with that.
Also, if it were true, they wouldn’t have dragged Stevens out last week telling us all this was a national issue.
Whitty and Vallance told us last Saturday about deaths in the thousands (I’m aware that’s been debunked and they’ve gone back on it), hospitals all over England being overrun with patients, a shortage of ICU beds everywhere.
It doesn’t explain the need to lock us inside the country (no international travel); or the need to shut hospitality everywhere; or the need to close unessential shops, gyms, sports facilities everywhere; or giving the Police powers to terrorise the population…
That list is not exhaustive!
Sorry, not buying Johnson and his crooks being “anxious” one iota!
Oh, and by the way – 2nd story: ‘covid patients’ actually should read ‘patients who have tested positive for covid’; the two are NOT the same thing!
Tony also seems to be suggesting that local lockdowns ‘work’.
Bollocks to that, and all.
A reason it was made national was to avoid making it look as though the Midlands and the North were being picked on.
Johnson will know that lockdown 2 has nothing like the support that LD1 had so probably authorised the Police (whoever it is wearing their uniform these days) to get punchy.
It’s typical of how out of touch he is, that London Million Mask March has been going on for years on the very date bozo chose impose his incoherent whim on us again and actually encourages wearing masks of the V For Vendetta variety, what a knob.
Johnson is unlikely to be in office much longer
Amen to that.
When He concludes Brexit or the Conservative party declares him a liability or the British public get fed up with him, that’s 3 scenarios I see that end with him being removed
Apologies for answering myself (too late to edit above post), but re. the 2nd article above:
Given that Johnson and his cabal (and I include the CMO and CSO in that) would have had access to all that NHS data, it kills stone dead the ‘anxiety‘ argument. They KNEW there was no crisis! They still know it!
Oh, if you want to find Covid Discharge numbers, you can find them here: https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/10/Covid-Publication-08-10-2020v3.xlsx
That file includes Covid Discharges from 19th March to 30th September. Next version is due out on November 12th.
Also in that document you can find the number of people who were ‘physically’ admitted into hospital (Admissions Total Tab); the fake admissions (i.e those tested while in hospital) is found in the Diagnoses Total tab.
The sum of the two is what they release on the Gov.uk page each day. See here for confirmation: https://dailysceptic.org/2020/10/14/latest-news-162/#comment-186272
Not that hard to find; I’ve been posting it on here for weeks.
‘physically admitted’? Were the rest mentally admitted?
Stop it! You know what I meant.
Thaks for this Ceriain.
I think the shortage of qualified NHS staff argument is very plausible. There’s a worldwide shortage of good doctors and nurses at the moment and there was nobody to service the Nightingales. They are anxious because they will look like idiots if hospitals are overrun (wouldn’t take much), plus they would have to admit that decades of a badly run NHS, low wages etc etc has caused this.
They wouldn’t admit it. They’d say the crisis was entirely the fault of people who aren’t obeying The Rules.
Unless you are a BLM or ER protestor, of course
But that is obeying the Rules.
The Rules are not the Law, but the ‘lawfare’ or weaponisation of the mind and of communication to deliver an outcome, to which life is sacrificed for a fantasy of control.
https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2020/11/why-are-they-doing-this.html
My son is a cancer nurse and up until now has politely declined to discuss anything regarding the NHS but over the weekend after my rant about great reset ect he said exactly this to me he said it’s government arse covering they know any bad epidemic would show how much they’ve been cutting costs within the NHS over the last 30 + years it would over run the NHS and uncover how corrupt and badly run the NHS is
Thought so. It has been bad planning, we have far fewer IC beds than most European countries and we don’t pay our nurses enough. Trying to call it ‘Our NHS’ just isn’t enough, I’m actually slightly terrified of getting really sick in the UK (touch wood I never do) and my experiences with most NHS GPs for minor complaints before I went private were abysmal.
Exactly this. Here in Northern Ireland we have one of the lowest ICU beds per head number in Europe.
Here in the South West, the population has been swelling with no increase in hospital facilities or education places.Year on year there are appeals to keep away from A and E during the summer influx and every winter flu season, the same call. The money frittered away this year could have covered all these shortfalls.
I worked in oncology for many years. The entire cancer industry (and it IS an industry) is worth billions and is a farce.
I imagine that if you discovered a really cheap, easy and effective cure for cancer, you would be found naked in a zipped up holdall shortly afterwards.
Many great doctors found very effective treatments for cancers and they have been discredited, hounded out of their profession and some even killed.
Imagine all the people that died unnecessary of cancer
Case Dismissed! Texas Ends 15-Year Fight Against Cancer Doctor Burzynski
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/01/19/cancer-doctor-burzynski.aspx
It isn’t dissimilar to Covid-19. They have persuaded people they need to suffer to defeat cancer. People actually welcome chemo and wear their baldness as a badge of honour. I’ve seen patients actually vying to have the ‘worst’ sickness. Chemo kills more than it cures. It’s vile. I knew, long before I got cancer myself, that I would never have rt or chemo. I kept to that, despite the most appalling bullying. I now only have a yearly blood count although that is impossible now GP’s are hiding from the sick. The chemo supporters claim to be alive because of it but the millions killed don’t have a voice. Cancer is now purely a multi million dollar industry. Even the so called charities are milking us.
Not quite but they punished David Noakes for daring to cure cancer:
https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/gcmaf-and-persecution-david-noakes-lyn-thyer-immuno-biotech
See also World Without Cancer by G.Edward Griffin – for some useful background info re Big Pharma, which fits very neatly with the covid agenda.
NB The first edition was published in 1997!
The PPP is the elephant in the room – except there is no partnership – but the fronting out of a Corporate Capture – that those who sold us to a predatory system, have a ‘stake’ in.
Cherished illusions become a democratic no-go area, and so the illusion becomes the trojan horse of our deceit.
The capture is where cartel monopoly becomes the means to set the science and the narratives for funding, development, and undermining of checks and balances to its agenda to which the population and social structure is framed in and fitted. The theme is not new. But Rockefeller ‘medicine’ is a significant, marker for a medical industrial complex.
We’ve been ‘had’. Far more deeply than we are for the most part ready to even consider. There is freedom to live the experience of our illusions, but not to make them true. A fake world is thus in truth, loveless – and must mask in virtue it does not have or embody – and protect its mask with outrage or grievance of offence. Freedom to choose self-illusion is also the freedom to release such a choice to let truth in, and break the terrible isolation that cannot really be escaped in a world of diversion and conflicted distraction.
Recognising a deceit is the basis for releasing it – not a basis for restating it in vengeance.
yesss
So we have to trash the economy and our social fabric instead?
Partly plausible and definitely unsurprising – but doesn’t fully add up.
Yes: I think this is why Jeremy Hunt is always so very keen to shift ‘the narrative’ to the issue of testing. He was Secretary of State for Health and Social Care from 2012-2018.
The ‘second wave’ is clearly a mixture of normal winter pressures; staff shortages due to staff testing positive, staff being classed as ‘vulnerable’ and union pressure; endemic staff shortage because, for years, governments have brought them in from abroad instead of paying to train our own; and a fear of being sued for the deaths and inoperable cancers caused by the totally unnecessary shut down in the spring. The ‘second wave’ narrative was worked into the national consciousness because there was always a plan to deal with the NHS resource issue this way.
It is also clear that the same plan was hatched across most of Europe which makes a mockery of the supposedly adversarial Brexit negotiations.
I see the mind clinging to straws – in fact anything – to not recognise its condition or being delivered unto evil or malign and malicious intent.
The great fear that drives this may take different forms.
But is the underlying purpose in the form of control – which is fear, masked over and projected out, away from self.
The lure to wealth, power or fantasy fulfilment sets up it target for an invested identity that cannot easily be escaped such that persisting in what has revealed itself entrapping and corrupt becomes a form of survival, or the lesser of evils.
This is clearly the behaviour of those who front out lies knowingly, who persist in insane and unreasoned word and deed knowingly – and present any masking presentation that offers any plausible escape from open intent openly revealed.
They cannot say why they are acting as they are and yet the belief in the mask that protects from such exposure is all they have to save them from a greater fear than delivering us to evils they thereby hope to delay or mitigate or escape for themselves.
Are we all in ‘Fear’ together?
No – we are all in fear, apart – and set against our self and each other.
So without us knowing exactly what and who they are afraid of – we project our fear into the ‘Room 101’ of not knowing. (Orwell 1984 ref).
Orwell and others are said to have warned us.
But does fear seeking to warn, actually operate as predictive programming?
Because it transmits or replicates the core problem under the mask of seeking a solution, that goes viral as a reinforcement to the mask of virtue, while undermining the awareness of connection to a quality of living that is the ground and being of love extended in recognition and gratitude.
Lack of love is a hollowness generated by the masking over of fear. The hollow masked golem becomes the tool and subject of its denied fears under masking illusions that present as if to escape, fix, control or overcome them. It futility is not recognised within the wish to set power over fear – and thereby make it real as a thing to be escaped, overcome or managed – rather than faced, lived through and brought to a wholly present awareness.
Fear of losing our mind is the means by which … (Continued on)
https://willingness-to-listen.blogspot.com/2020/11/why-are-they-doing-this.html
love this, will listen. thanks for posting.
Orwell and others are said to have warned us.
But does fear seeking to warn, actually operate as predictive programming?
I’d argue that, on the whole, the sceptics have read Orwell but the sheeple haven’t.
2500 staff in Northern Ireland NHS are off due to Covid, either isolating or ill who knows. Then we might have a bunch on full pay who are vulnerable. Hundreds of police officers are also off as it goes.
Just to mention, check the international travel bit, because once again it has been presented as a ban, mainly by misleading media headlines (deliberately done so)but really isn’t strictly defined as such. Even the DT, put out such a headline, and then later in the article claimed there was no such ban in legislation.
I had an email yesterday from Heathrow Airport, notifying me to check any restrictions on travel with a link to the government website. The section on travel mainly focuses on travel around the UK, and using alternatives such as walking and cycling. There is only one reference to foreign travel ‘if you need to travel abroad and are legally permitted to do so for example work’, but nowhere is there a list of what is ‘legally’ permitted. It seems that the so called ban on movement except for work, education or essentials, has been morphed to include all travel, unlike the first lockdown. However, in reality it is so vague and subjective that it is non-enforceable, just like the ‘reasonable excuse’.
Deliberate, I think so, so that when the fall out starts to get really messy, the government can just claim they never said you couldn’t, just avoid x,y,z. Remember Johnson, at the beginning, when he claimed he hadn’t told the schools to shut. So, I reckon if you want to travel, do so. No-one has been told they have to have proof to show for what reason they are travelling, and nowhere in the advice from Heathrow do they state that either, they just recommend checking goverment guidelines. Sorry, that was a bit of an essay.
Agree. I remember the horror stories about Greek authorities turning people around for not having documentation on landing. Got there, was waved straight through. I’d take it ALL with a pinch of salt, not just the health stuff.
Good to know; thank you for pointing that out.
Consider me corrected.
It’s inconceivable that they are unaware about the unreliability of the test.This is the cause of ‘case numbers’ and quarantining of otherwise healthy staff.
Therefore Toby is being sold a pup.
They know this site is a Centre of opposition.What better way to neuter it than by feeding Toby false information..
There was a time when we had fever hospitals, where those with infectious diseases went. Then it was decided in the name of efficiency and cost saving to close those hospitals and integrate fever patients into general hospitals. Large general hospitals was more efficient on resources. Now, the problem is that hospitals are themselves becoming centres of infection – something which was entirely predictable.
But here’s the thing. The NHS did not sell off those old fever hospitals. They are still there, repurposed for the most part. I can only think it does not suit the management elite in the NHS to do the obvious thing and have Covid isolation hospitals, leaving the general hospitals get on with their other work. They prefer to have the NHS on the brink of being overwhelmed so that they can claim more resources and more cash is needed….
That was the obvious thing to do when they built the Nightingales but they fluffed it.
Wasn’t there a dispute about none of the trusts wanting to be the ‘Covid’ hospital?
The Welsh Supreme Soviet seems to be feeling that you can’t push people too far:
However, Mr Gething said: ‘If we breach trust with the public and extend the end of the firebreak, having been clear it would come to an end, I don’t think people would be prepared to trust the government again and go along with what we want people to do.’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8927009/Wales-prepares-come-lockdown-Minister-claims-infection-rates-plateauing.html
(Gething is Wales’s answer to Wancock, about equal to the latter in the repulsivity stakes.)
Gething, of course, assumes that the people trust the government now.
Well, the zombies do. But they’d happily follow the First Lemming over a 1000-foot cliff. Maybe there are more non-zombies in Gulag Wales than I, or the Soviet, suspected.
Again? As you say, Annie; they don’t trust you now, you twat!
I have zero sympathy with Johnson being “bounced” into ordering a lock down.
Makes me think of the hapless Lord Lucan, who ordered the Charge of the Light Brigade, after he followed an order that the aide de camp allegedly miscommunicated.
His excuse to Lord Raglan that evening was that he had simply followed the order. Raglan reminded him that he was a Lieutenant General, and as such responsible not just for obeying aides but for exerting judgment.
Johnson is clearly not up to the job and needs such a conversation.
Needs the sack.
In the olden days it would have been a pistol with one bullet and a decent whisky.
Bad whisky would save the country money.
He should be in the Tower.
It’s really not too late to fess up and do a U turn. This is all bullshit unless he reverses the decision. But it’s not up to him, is it? The economy hasn’t been trashed sufficiently for the Not So Great Reset, has it?
I am overall no great fan of Margaret Thatcher but can you imaging her being ‘bounced’ into a lock-down the way Johnson was? To me he looks increasingly awful every-time you see him, he reminds me of Father Jack from the TV programme Father Ted.
He is hugely let down by Hancock who barely has the managerial capacity to run a sock counter at a Department store. He should be the one bawling out the NHS and leading them to get their house in order, it should have been Hancock who clearly analysed the situation and advised Johnson that we do not have the full picture to make a lock-down decision. But he is the classic case of a poor manager promoted above his ability and unable to raise his game but is lost in a morass of micro-management with no overall vision or strategy and no confidence to lead in his own right.
Hancock would probably tell customers that his socks were actually beanies, even if they were bit small for their heads. He’d do it with a straight face too, ‘backed by the science’.
Jack? Hmmm…
GIRLS!!!!! GIRLS!!!! DRINK!!! DRINK!!! DRINK!!!
ARSE !
FECK !
GIRLS !
Thatcher would of known what she was doing even Blair who I dislike hugely
Feck, arse, nuns, ….gurls!
To me he looks increasingly awful every-time you see him,
Don’t forget he has a reputation for drunkenness. I’m sure he’s probably hungover much of the time nowadays.
I agree. The Guardian had a piece detailing how he went out of his way to get the votes, calling every wavering new MP and pressuring them to support the lockdown. Entirely possible IMO that Johnson staged the leak himself to deflect blame.
Yes, the buck stops with Johnson. He is too lazy and lacks critical thought so he accepts the bad advice too readily. If he has any hope whatsoever of salvaging his career, and I do doubt that, then he must sack Hancock, Whitty and Vallance
As that weekend progressed, I was in little doubt that Johnson would announce a lockdown, and his announcement had an air of tragic inevitability about it. I’m entirely of the opinion that Johnson orchestrated the leak, and made it clear to Whitty and Vallance that they were expected to produce the most extreme figures and forecasts in justification. (I’m also of the belief that the introduction of similar restritions in France, Gemany etc. pressurised Johnson into following a similar lockdown narrative.)
Or Cummings
When Ferguson was revealed to be pinning a tail on his bit of grumble and the Mekon went walkabout that confirmed my scepticism.
There’s something Henry VIIIish about this. Johnson appears unaware of how shameful it is for someone in his position to be so easily bounced – over and over again. Henry VIII so desperate to get rid of Anne Boleyn he doesn’t see that the allegations against his wife reflect on him.
no moral compass. no centre. not grounded. as a student debating society he argued for no death penalty and then went back on and argued for death penalty (i read an account by someone that was there). he’s not got substance. it’s just ego and self interest.
Devoid of principles, obviously.
One day it might happen Steve!
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It’s easily within his gift to expand SAGE, replace his advisors, set up a Lockdown Revuew Group etc etc. Instead of shoring up the NHS with extra billions (including creation of an emergency auxiliary medical service) he’s squandered money on test and trace, PR consultancy fees and of course furlough.
No the problem can’t be solved by expanding Sage. A casual glance at its last reported membership on Wikpepdia shows that it now has over 80 members, a huge proportion of whom have no credible claim to have relevant knowledge of viral illness. Whitty and Vallance control its membership and, by implication, the narratives it emits. I’m sure we can all understand why Johnson cannot sack his 2 principle adviors at the moment, but he does seem to have written them a blank cheque to construct a massive echo-chamber to amplify their own thoughts.
…. he’s squandered money on test and trace, PR consultancy fees and of course furlough.
Rephrase as: he’s pumped billions into the pockets of Cabinet chums.
Johnson is the sort who would accidentally lead a infantry charge over a Cliff with Hancock Witty vallance cummins ferguson as the home guard
Instead, the press took the “poor Boris was bounced against his will” route.
“Johnson is clearly not up to the job and needs such a conversation.” Bill Gates, whose greedy paws are sunk deep into the Pfizer vaccine, might not agree.
Just read this in the Retail Gazette article:
The updated guidance stipulates that shops in England that have “sufficiently distinct parts” should close the areas selling non-essential items.
For example, grocery retailers can sell “non-essential” homeware if it is stocked on its aisles, but if the goods are on a separate floor, it must close off the area.
However, the guidance adds that shops are not required to cordon off particular aisles, which is what sparked the recent controversy in Wales when it went into a 17-day “firebreak” lockdown last month.
Beyond barmy. But the implications for supermarkets are, I should think, clear: put the knickers next to the baked beans, and the kettles next to the cucumbers, and you can sell what you like. Simples.
And message to bereft consumers: you don’t need loo paper if you’ve got the Grauniad.
Bizarre. Books and other ‘non-essential’ items are essential during a lockdown. Unless you are the Nazi party, when burning them was deemed a good idea.
Books are ALWAYS essential.
Chocolate too
Weekly ration going up next week: 40g to 30g
Ministry’s doing a fine job.
Boot production is up, too.
Another way to kill the retail sector eh?
If the big shops follow this and suffer as a result, they will have only themselves to blame.
I’ve been amazed at how quickly the big retailers such as M&S, John Lewis, etc have been to commit suicide with their craven kowtowing to the government’s insane diktats and even over egging the pudding with their zealous implementation and more.
Then since June we have been hearing of more and more shops closing and making people redundant. Show that these so-called Covid safety measures have not been helpful at all far from it.
We should never have been in this situation and these retailers deserve everything they get.
The big stores have been toatally craven. maybe in March they had an excuse, but doesn’t anybody in big business smell a rat over the data by now?
Exactly. Surely they would have known that something has long been amiss and their decline in sales and footfall should have alerted them to the fact that no-one wants to be treated like a leper and that these so-called Covid “safety” measures are nothing but a bad joke.
The directors of big chains will surely have had the ‘great’ reset explained to them, and been asked/warned not to make a fuss ?
The cynic in me also thought that the big retail chains thought that this would be their chance to hoover up small businesses. Forgetting that many of them were already in trouble and under pressure from online only businesses.
This crisis is only accelerating their demise.
When they went Woke. That’s when they were bought out.
Woke, covid and climate change all from the same sources and all have the same purpose.
If they have an online shopping facility, they won’t care. Think of the overheads they’ll save!
Don’t buy anything from the big online retailers. Put a dent in their profits.
I feel the retailers should have been fighting in the first lockdown to stop being closed altogether. The forced business closures made no sense for many businesses. Clothes, electrical, furniture and bookshops are often very big and customers can easily stay a long distance from each other. In my experience these shops are never very crowded. Small shops can’t hold many customers at the same time. What was the logic of closing these businesses as these shops and had an environment which was not conducive to spread an infectious disease. The retailers should have campaigned against being closed on the basis of this. Hotels were another type of businesses I couldn’t understand the logic of closing. Guests stay in their rooms and don’t mix with each other. Hotels may have quiet periods with not many guests.
The purpose of lockdown laws was for the government to give the message “look at how bad this disease is. This disease must be really bad for us to introduce these draconian laws”. The more business the government closed, the scarier covid appeared and to reinforce this message the government was prepared to close businesses where it made no sense.
In our town there is a market which is still open but the stall that sells school uniforms has been told to shut because it is non-essential. However, the school is still open so what are you supposed to do if your kids loses their blazer or tie.
Surely in this day and age computer and phone shops are essential.
They should sell apples for £30 each and throw in a free blazer with every purchase
I could do with a pair of new shoes – the only ones I have which don’t let in water are my walking boots and wellingtons (first world problem, I know!!) Buying shoes online isn’t an option as I need to try them on before buying – I’m quite particular about shoes though not generally about clothes. I’ll check M&S but they have probably closed the non-food areas.
Plenty of the online shoe shops do free returns. Have a look at rubbersole.co.uk
I think Lidl does that anyway. once found screwdrivers next to the frozen fish fingers.
I’m amused by these strange juxtapositions, usually caused by people deciding they don’t really want something they picked up and just dumping it on the nearest shelf. My favourites were a picture hanging kit hidden in the towels and a DVD among the milk.
It’s worrisome that I might actually believe this
It happened in Italy in the time if the Borgias. Police in one city, I forget which, were empowered to feel up women’s skirts if they had reason to suspect the women were wearing sinful silk drawers. But, if the belief turned out to be erroneous, the policeman’s hand was cut off.
There were very few convictions
You don’t mean by the lady’s… err.. how should I put this?
Not sure. Got the story from a Jean Plaidy novel about Lucrezia Borgia. Plaidy was pretty careful about her facts.
The times are almost as savage
I wasnt sure about the masked dog thing a couple of days ago. You just can’t tell any more can you!!!
Can’t access LS via Google, anyone else having the same problem?
I accessed it, no.1 in the rankings. I also saw this story from the Guardian ‘Editorial’ from 4th November which means it’s probably from one of its pharma sponsors…about the ‘dangerous Tory lockdown sceptics’ ie the politicians who voted against. What has happened to the Guardian, they have totally sold out!
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/04/the-guardian-view-on-tory-lockdown-sceptics-a-dangerous-trend
The Open Philanthropy Project is not an altruistic organisation…
Lecter dressed up as Goldilocks
I can`t even read their crap , not good for my blood pressure or my PC screen.
This was the final nail 7 years ago.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/jan/31/snowden-files-computer-destroyed-guardian-gchq-basement-video
Yeah – I don’t read it anymore. I used to like their sports coverage, which was the best of any newspaper (may still be for all i know) but I’d get dragged into the news pages and it was like some Orwellian nightmare. They are a fking weird bunch. Luckily they’ll go out of business soon.
The Guardian have been the in-house journal of the deep state for the past decade.
The Guardian they are wonderful. This is a blurb at the end of a Thomas Frank article last Saturday, November 7, 2020:
The Guardian has no shareholders or billionaire owner, meaning our journalism is free from influence and vested interests – this makes us different. Our editorial independence and autonomy allows us to provide fearless investigations and analysis of those with political and commercial power. We can give a voice to the oppressed and neglected, and help bring about a brighter, fairer future.
Top result for me.
Not today but they sometimes list everything but the main page in search options
Really looking forward to listening to that podcast episode on the PCR false whooping cough epidemic – this is actually an article that I’ve probably shared more than any other in my quest to get people to question the current narrative: https://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/22/health/22whoop.html
Surprised it hasn’t been censored tbh! Even if someone don’t understand the maths behind Bayesian probability theory aka why most asymptomatic positive cases are false, they can certainly understand this!
Yes, it’s an astonishing article. I read it a while ago and was quite amazed at how much damage it done. If it was you who originally linked it here, many thanks.
It certainly explains all the people in the NHS “off sick” who have nothing wrong with them.
Problem the government have is: they can solve the staffing crisis by stopping the constant testing of NHS staff, but then their ‘case’ numbers would plummet, then the game would be up.
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Antibiotics do not work for whooping cough (Pertussis).
Dr Suzanne Humphries developed “the Vitamin C Treatment of Whooping Cough’. https://www.naturalmedicine.net.nz/vaccination/the-vitamin-c-treatment-of-whooping-cough/
I’m a bit surprised by your praise of the Andrew Sullivan piece. Not quite brilliant. Interesting, maybe, but not brilliant. I disagree with Sullivan in many respects.
Yesterday on the Andrew Marr show in one of his interviews with one of the usual government “clones” Marr said:”There is anecdotal evidence saying that people are not obeying LD2 as much as LD1″
Really, Andrew, you really must try and get out more.
I think that irony and sarcasm were very much to the fore.
Not entirely sure I agree with the reader from Wales. Aside from any patriotic leanings, would I feel “lucky” to live in Wales and “unfortunate” to live in England right now? Certainly wouldn’t trust super micromanager MD.
Apparently in Wales “ With the exception of pointless face coverings, a “rule of four” in pubs and restaurants and daring to cross the border from plague-ridden England everything else appears to be guidance”.
Wait what?!?! That sounds idyllic! Get me there now
The advice on not accepting a fine is spot on though
That thought also crossed my mind – fallen into the psychological trap. Make things grossly intolerable, then relax a few bits, then have a situation that in normal circumstances would be considered grossly intolerable, but now seems not so bad. Exactly, what will occur in the long run, we are already seeing it with calls to move the lockdown, but nothing else, so we will still be left with all the other ghastly restrictions, but people will see the fact that lockdown has been lifted as a victory, and then the masks, distancing, limits on family visits etc., become more acceptable.
But how many people are obeying the rules? And will continue to obey them? I’d suggest more and more are ignoring them. Certainly in The second Welsh lockdown compliance has been limited/stretched. Everyone I’ve talked to has been taking a very liberal approach to “the rules”
It would be interesting to hear an explanation from Mayo for the falling infection and hospitalisation rates and the plateauing death rate. I am intrigued as to how the T cell cross immunity deniers are going to spin the ONS/ KCL surveys.
We all know it’s a very clever virus. Seems it can also anticipate lockdowns.
Twice!!!
I can’t imagine now that there will be a third time.
But we’ve seen nothing yet: wait till we see how clever it is in getting round the vaccine.
The WHO say that 80% of people will not get serious covid that requires hospital treatment. so for the UK that means 53.3 million of us are already immune/resistant to serious covid by some mechanism or another. That leaves 20% 13.3 million who could possibly get serious covid. Many of these people are already being careful and some may have had Covid and now be immune and so it may be we are running out of numbers of people? after all diseases cannot increase for ever, you eventually run of of potential victims.
The WHO is a tainted outfit
Flip floppers.
Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice.
“In a shock sign of how feared this mutant Covid strain is, all cabin crew and pilots onboard British Airways and Ryanair flights arriving from Denmark in the UK have been instructed quarantine for 14 days after landing – along with their families.
Previously, airline workers were exempt from any mandatory quarantine. The new restrictions mean staff members’ children must stay home from school for two weeks as well.”
If this is true from Daily Mail rather extraordinary.Some of scientists have played down the report of the mink virus saying that some of the mutations have already been observed in non mink related cases and the threat to the vaccine has been exagerrated.So why is the UK so extreme about it? They have placed all their eggs in one basket and want to roll out a placebo vaccine(with negative side effects)as quickly as possible to cover up their total incompetence.
More and more people are starting to see through it, so they need their next scary story.
New SAGE modelling suggests that aircrews are 72.9% more likely to visit mink farms in Denmark than in other locations.
V good.
Do they say how many of them will buy mink coats?
Is it any more extreme then what the government has done to ~60-70 million people over the last 7 months ? Sounds like more of the same.
Newquay Airport: Our terminal is temporarily closed, with all scheduled flights to and from the Airport suspended due to the impact of current Government guidelines on demand.
Speaking to 2 medic friends at weekend. They would not have the so-called vaccine and will not be recommending it to any patients. Not sufficiently tested. Hopefully there are many more like this.
A doctor friend said the same, and to be honest, it’s just basic common sense. The whole idea of having to dispense 200 doses a day before the vial (that needs to be kept very very cold) expires is nonsensical, especially since the guidance says patients need a 20 minute rest before venturing out. He said there wouldn’t be time to attend to anything else and nowhere for patients to rest. Another disaster coming.
High time that doctors are reminded about their duty of care. Even if the pharmaceutical industry has been given exemption, anyone administering it still has a duty of care.
Just following government guidelines is no defence.
Great to know.
This RNA vaccine cannot be detoxed from the body. Once it is in our cells it is there forever giving instructions to our DNA – we do not know what kind of damage it can do over our lifespan.
We are all different and react differently to vaccines, some will show symptoms (including disablement or death) quicker than others.
How will you prove after 10 years that your auto-immune disease is as a result of this rushed out vaccine?
I hear that these new vaccines will track recipients for at least 2 years in conjunction with Google and Oracle – purportedly to monitor adverse health effects. Reminds me of those sci fi movies where drones hone in on people whose tracking systems are in their bodies. Eek.
https://www.technocracy.news/google-and-oracle-will-track-the-vaccinated-with-incredibly-precise-tech/
Re. the Manchester Protest article above:
For instance; closing gyms, harrassing people sitting on benches, people trying to buy socks, people having a cuppa with a mate, walking on the cracks on the pavement, walking in a loud shirt in a built-up area, etc…
The police have soiled their own bed, now they can lie in it.
The police need reigning in and reformed
Disgraceful. Covid should not be used as a excuse to deny support and a fair hearing to parents and children when these difficult sometimes life changing decisions are being made.
https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/practice/parents-appearing-alone-at-remote-family-hearings/5106161.article
JHB just interviewed Dr Simon Clark on Talkradio.
Apparently the young should get vaccinated to protect the very old and frail. The question I was shouting at the radio was…
Will the vaccine be 100% safe? If not, why should an 18 year old put their health/life at risk so that an 82 year old could possibly live for a few more weeks?
Is that that clown who writes shite in the Spectator? He needs a kicking, he does.
Everything I’ve read about the vaccines under development says that they won’t be sterilising. They won’t stop infection or prevent people passing on infection. If that’s the case how would young people being vaccinated help the situation? Am I wrong about this?
(And of course why should they in any case.)
You’re not wrong: see my reply to Major Panic.
This moron apparently doesn’t realise that the vaccines in development aren’t even being tested to see if they prevent transmission of the virus.
Typical propaganda. They have been using this type of slur for years to try and get all children vaccinated.
Always so funny when people with vaccinated kids ‘attack’ the non vaccinated kids stating that they are a risk to their vaccinated kids. What? If you believe that vaccinations work and your kid is vaccinated then he/she should be protected.
Immune systems protect us – that also goes for the 82 year old.
The demise of logical thinking is alarming. It should be included in every school curriculum around the world.
Here’s an interesting article in the Atlantic from 2014. by Ezekiel J. Emanuel (oncologist, a bioethicist, and a vice provost of the University of Pennsylvania).
It’s a long and heavy read. It touches on important issues regarding very old age.
I don’t think the Atlantic would dare to publish it in 2020 (after March).
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/10/why-i-hope-to-die-at-75/379329/
Excellent points but some people live happy healthy and very active lives into their 90s – Douglas Harding is a good example.
For me, it’s about quality rather than quantity and I wouldn’t want to put a date on it, though I feel strongly that we should have a choice not to have our lives prolonged when Altzheimers prevents us from recognising our loved ones. I don’t want to put my family through that.
Probably academic now. I’m 67 and, no doubt, if dePiffle and Poppycock pull off their dastardly agenda, my days are already strictly numbered.
I’ll believe that Boris really is “raging” when he fires someone and cancels the lockdown. Fires everyone if he has to. Until then it’s just the usual “please like” me bullshit we have come to expect from that self-absorbed twat.
Yep
I wish he would just fess up and admit it’s all a farce. However it’s becoming more and more obvious that there are darker forces at play. Once I would have dismissed this notion as complete rubbish, but I can’t think of anything else that explains the deceit and corruption that is going on at our expense.
However it’s becoming more and more obvious that there are darker forces at play.
Yes, especially when a Tory MP (Sir Charles Walker) says this:
You know there’s something wrong.
That was a great speech. I’ll bet it resonated throughout the house and they were silently hanging their heads in shame. Oh well, here’s hoping
No – me neither – I literally can’t understand how we are still where we are? There is an absolute mass of evidence against the narrative. The media would be all over suicides, cancer deaths etc etc etc like a rash normally – and yet silence. It is still as surreal as it was in March – more so because of all the empirical data we now have.
Problem is the MSM, most of it is still sprouting rubbish and many don’t read between the lines
Or even the lines themselves I would suggest
The problem is that even if they wanted to read between the lines they have been to an extent bought and gagged so won’t.
That’s the thing. I confess to having been very scared myself in March. We didn’t know what we were dealing with. Now we’ve had 8 months to study this and the real data are there for anyone who cares to look. But they are just not looking are they?
The data was already there in March from China. It was clear what we were dealing with from the start. It was never close to being what it was claimed to be.
I wasn’t scared in December last year, I knew it was a con and all about the great reset even back then. Call me a conspiracy theorist if you like everybody else did.
I was worried about the reaction to this woo flu. Those of us who were paying attention knew what was coming down the pipe.
The Diamond Princess data was what convinced me this is a hoax.
I did some simple calculations and came up with 370k US deaths.
Even after classing all deaths WITH as deaths FROM the official count is around 2/3 of my calculation.
Thus, hoax.
The problem is he has a copious need for money and the way to get that is to do the biding of the DS so that when he leaves office, the normal range of sinecured positions that come the way of an ex PM will do so.
If he doesn’t play ball (such as by declaring the whole thing to be a farce), he will lose the sinecures that would otherwise follow.
did you watch the Downfall parody on yesterday’s LS? perhaps the funniest moment is Hitler/Boris keening, ‘I just wanted them to like me’
It was great. “Please don’t sniffle or they’ll quarantine you”
Fwaaaahhhhhhhh!
BORIS
SMASH
SAGE
FWAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!
The stunt with the piper on Whitehall yesterday was a stroke of genius. He will have suffered a few bruises, but he will have raised awareness on a very large scale of the indoctrinated thuggery of which the police is capable. Very little is sacred to the British public anymore, but you do not mess with military veterans on Remembrance Sunday.
Plus, it puts me in mind of this beautiful song by Mark Knopfler: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y9IGELr5-I
Does anyone know why he walked into the row of police though? – that did look a bit odd to me.
It looked staged to me, which doesn’t help the cause at all
That’s what I thought too. I didn’t want to share it on that basis – as it looked like he was deliberately pissing them off. I’m not saying that shoving someone is a good thing to do, but as we know there are 2 sides to everything!. Always have to look for them – now more than ever.
I disagree – it appeal to the exact same demographic who swallow the 4000 deaths a day nonsense without stopping to think. Fight fire with fire – I’ve seen a lot of people on social media who normally don’t have. a bad word to say about the government’s covid policy, other than they aren’t doing enough, getting upset by this. Those who know it is probably staged are either too deep in the lockdown cult to be moved anyway or cynics. That one is for the older people on the fence, and if it works, its good.
Yes, I wondered that yesterday – 50-50 I’d say. Odd how he turning into the police right in front of the camera – the only camera to have put up footage online as far as I know.
According to one report he’d been asked to wait while the restricted area was opened up and the he could enter.
https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/remembrance-sunday-police-filmed-pushing-kilted-bagpiper-ground-veterans-protest-3029294
My feelings too. It looked like he was trying to break the police line by deliberate turning left into them. He did get an almighty thwack. I wonder if both sides knew that would happen.
Agree, it didn’t look great, there is a long video showing all the build up to the event and the veteran speaking later in the day.
But we need to think why would the UK establishment feel the need to stage such an event other than try to deliberately provoke civil unrest.
Also if the establishment cares about veterans and their safety so much why are there so many homeless veterans? surely they could have just allowed normal remembrance services.
We can agree it was premeditated, as the piper had apparently delivered a speech earlier warning against the reality of a police state. Having laid out his argument, by eliciting violence from a policeman through non-violent means, he proves it true. Anyone watching the video will see that, while the piper might have been in the wrong in the first place, the response of the policeman is in no way proportionate to the offence given. The only people who won’t be moved by that are the lost causes who believe the rule are always right.
I watched it several times and couldn’t decide if it was camera angle or he deliberately provoked them. He could have walked twice as far before he turned.
On the other hand, it was one heck of a shove – and by two cops simultaneously.
I’m sure “they” will try to provoke violence to justify more draconian policing.
He was subsequently arrested.
I am surprised the police officer didn’t get put in a military chokehold for what he did, you don’t screw around with the Forces
I’ve pointed quite a few people to this site, and also said how good the comment section is for all sorts of information and support.
Most of them can’t find the link to it on the page though – I know it sounds odd as it’s right under the banner. I think most people think I’m talking about the Forum’s rather than the BTL section, so don’t really look further. Someone I spoke to at the weekend is a regular reader, and hadn’t found it – only the Forums
Has anyone else found this?
Maybe they should put it at the bottom too?
I wonder whether that’s where they instinctively look – so you look at the articles, and then you think “I wonder what other people think” – and look at the bits at the bottom, yes.
Ideally they should pepper it throughout the site. Although I’m not sure if there is much more room for comments
I’ve had this. I had someone tell me three times there was no comments link.
Some people can’t see their hand in front of their face; make sure you tell them they need to click the link that is next to the date.
I have done that and then they find it – they just can’t seem to find it on their own without the instructions.
Just wondered if it might be made a bit bigger or highlighted or something to make it stand out a bit. You lot deserve to be heard!!
It took me a few weeks to notice the comment link, and I’m supposed to be a programmer, FFS.
In my experience, a newly-arrived reader will work down the page until they either get bored and leave, or reach the bottom and want more. It’s at this point that we need to engage new readers.
I would strongly suggest to Toby that they put a big box at the bottom of the page with a comments link and a call to action, such as “See what people are saying. Become part of the conversation.”
(Forget ye not that Panscepticon provides a high-speed mirror of all comments, albeit with a lag for the current days news.)
I sometimes find the comments difficult to access. A click on the comments doesn’t always work. Quite often I can’t change oldest to newest. And even though I want to look at links I ‘m out off by the difficulty of getting back to where I was.
What I want to get rid of is the irritating green banner at the top about the newsletter.
Yes, that new banner is quite definitely irritating, last week’s change in its position is unwelcome.
Click the small white X in the top right and it goes away.
Well done Toby, the game is up
I could never work out how the test centres were empty but the testing and ‘positive ‘ tests rising
We now know, it’s an endless cycle of testing NHS staff
Imagine you are one of those members of staff. Once they test ‘ positive ‘ they fall under trap and trace. Their family and friends then get locked up
The tests are compulsory, so what are they going to do after a few cycles of getting their family locked up?
Stay at home on full pay?
Cecil, I posted this a couple of days ago when someone posted about the empty test centres.
You see… NHS staff are Pillar 1, Pillar 2 are the general public (tested at home, or at the test centres), and…
Dido’s own figures would suggest that the test centres must be rammed all day!
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/932917/NHS_T_T_data_tables_w22.ods
Total tested: w/e 28/10/2020
Table 1: People tested for Covid-19 each week, Pillars 1 and 2: 1,530,529 (218,647 a day)
Pillar 1: 421,615 (NHS Labs)
Pillar 2: 1,108,914 (Lightbouse Labs)
Pillar 2: w/e 28/10/2020 (note: these are tests, not people; some people are tested more than once)
Table 4: Total tests, conducted by Regional test sites: 174,342
Table 5: Total tests, conducted by Local test sites: 145,426
Table 6: Total tests, conducted by Mobile testing units: 169,247
Table 7: Total tests, conducted by Satellite test centres: 506,215
Total: 995,230
I really cannot see why Dido would lie about this… can you guys?
Should add, I didn’t include home testing as it’s not part of the testing above; it’s recorded separately.
Where do NHS staff get tested? Could they be sent to local/ regional test centres?
Hospital staff are tested in Hospital; they are counted under Pillar 1.
The general public are tested with home testing kits and at those really busy test centres.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-testing-data-methodology/covid-19-testing-data-methodology-note
I’ m not being pedantic
However I just like to test to destruction what’s being said.as we have been conned so many times
The quote above could be read as only health and care workers with a clinical need
As routine testing of staff is not a clinical need for that member of staff………. do you see where I am going with this?
I do, and it’s not a problem, Cecil. I know you’re not having a go at me. You are quite right to question everything.
I know it’s not proof, (who can prove anything at the moment?) but I have a lot of friends, and work contacts, who are doctors/nurses working in hospitals. They assure me they get tested in the hospitals where they work.
Obviously, like everyone else, I don’t know exactly how the government are making up their figures, but, as you can clearly see from their own data tables, on their own official Weekly statistics for NHS Test and Trace (England) and coronavirus testing (UK) webpages, the numbers suggest the testing centres, where the general public get tested (Pillar 2), are very busy. They’d have to be to return the number of people they claim to be testing there.
Personally, I don’t believe any of it, if that helps.
I can’t make those numbers add up. Surely if some people in pillar 2 are tested more than once then the total of tables 4,5, 6 and 7 should be greater than the pillar 2 number which says it’s people not tests? Confused.
You think I don’t know that, Steph?
That spreadsheet I linked to is just about the most amateurish I’ve seen in my professional life, but that spreadsheet, believe it or not, contains their official reported data data tables.
You can find the full reporting page here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/nhs-test-and-trace-england-and-coronavirus-testing-uk-statistics-22-october-to-28-october:
Of course you do. I’m still a bit sleepy!
My husband is following the Essex data and creating his own graph to compare against the modelled prediction. He has the devil of a job to find the real data that makes sense because it is all published in a very amateurish manner, late and not at all clear. Data from weeks ago also changes spontaneously as they discover more cases or change their dates. Suffice it to say his graph is much shallower than any of the predictions and he has sent it to various MPs including our own.
We are both IT professionals with a background in MI and I have the honour of an Imperial College degree so we are no slouches. You’d almost think they are deliberately obfuscating things.
Yep, been there, done that.
And seen that, too. I think that is why we (well, me anyway) do it; we can see when they change stuff. I’ve also pointed this out to my MP, not that it helps any.
Never!
I think we’ve reached the point where we know nothing we send to the Home Secretary (our MP) will make the slightest difference. My own last email to her was basically to tell her that as she knows the data is as dodgy as I do then she should vote against lockdown. I knew she would vote for.
All I’m doing now is making sure there is no opportunity for “but nobody told me this was all wrong”. They will just keep going now until it all implodes.
I’m very pleased to see so much non-compliance and everyone I talk to has had enough.
Sorry for jumping in on this convo, but where is the best place for me to start looking at these for Brighton area?
I’d like to start doing the same to my Massive Pratt the Ginger Rodent
And the whole time the ONS is showing infections in the community falling.
1.2 million NHS staff. So yes this could account for most testing along with NHS hospital attendees.
That is interesting as it contradicts the information I have received. The partner of someone I know works at the hospital and has said that while the staff are testing people all day long they are not being tested themselves. When that person wanted a test for a specific purpose some senior honcho was brought in to do it personally. I assumed that was because they wanted to make sure the test was done properly so there was no false positive as a consequence; but that is speculation on my part.
All these reports about Johnson being ‘angry’ at having been ‘forced’ into a second lockdown are very clever media ploys from No. 10. Portraying him as the victim of unscrupulous ministers and scientists, and if it weren’t for them, he’d have all of the UK’s interests at heart and have made the right decision, promise!
I don’t buy it. He is the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. There are lots of bad actors in government who have all contributed to this mess but as for national lockdown decisions, the buck ultimately stops with Johnson. The Prime Minister has the final say and the final sign-off and it is literally his JOB to weigh up all the pros and cons of a policy on the British people and then make a decision. The SAGE scientists will only advise him on fearmongering ‘predictions’ because that’s their job, they’re not paid to consider the economic costs, and it is in SAGE’s interest to be as alarmist as possible. This is why it is so important that Johnson widens the pool of his advisors as soon as humanly possible because it’s clear that he is just not capable of weighing up the pros and cons himself – someone has to tell it to him straight. He is no longer fit for office anyway but we are probably going to be lumbered with him until at least after Brexit.
I also find it interesting that there are rumours that the whole country was placed under lockdown just to make it ‘fair’ to the North and Midlands, because continued selective lockdowns would have gone down like a cup of cold sick in those areas, reinforcing the fact that the ‘evil Tories’ only care about the south and London. It’s the same sort of response to the argument for shielding – ‘It would be so cruel to lock up a select part of the population – so let’s do it to everyone instead and multiply that suffering!’ Makes absolutely no sense at all. Any shielding programme should be advisory anyway – if anyone is vulnerable and wants to take that risk with their own health, then on their head be it. These arguments also implicitly acknowledge the unfairness and injustice of locking people in their houses – so why is it that doing it to everyone somehow makes it more justifiable? It’s actually less justifiable because you’re causing more unnecessary suffering for more people!
Poppy hitting the nail on the head again.
Also let’s not forget that all the local lockdowns were as a result of the testdemic and nonsocomial (?) infections / positives. In Essex our stupid County Council actually begged to be put in tier 2.
A lot of councils beg to be put in higher tiers just because of the financial support. It’s just sick. Clearly these good-for-nothing bureaucrats can’t work out that it doesn’t matter how much fake money a business gets from the government, someone will still have to pay back tomorrow what is squandered today.
The money will not be going to business
It will spent on new carpet, covid marshalls, and restocking the Mayor’s drinks cabinet
95% of it will never leave City Hall
Yes – to invert Bob’s cartoon from yesterday, They have given our tomorrow for their today!
You hit the nail on the head again.It’s basically collective punishment in order to be “seen to be doing something” which is an abomination and is one of the root causes of many of the problems we’re facing today.
Johnson has shown himself to be incompetent, lazy, ignorant and easily swayed. All these reports that he was “forced” into it is bunkum and there’s certainly a stench of corruption hanging over not only number 10 but the whole of the state apparatus from Parliament down to the devolved governments and local ones.
A clever cookie, our Poppy!
Agree!!!!
Agree with others that this stuff about Boris being bounced is suspicious. He’s the bloody PM. If he doesn’t want to lockdown, he doesn’t have to do it. If he wants to end the lockdown, he can announce that in parliament today. But he hasn’t.
This things keeps coming up in newspapers from ‘sources’: ‘Boris hates having to lockdown, it makes him really sad and goes against all his instincts. But we’re still going to lock you all up.’
It’s guff. Actions speak far louder than words in this instance. It’s probably an attempt to placate angry MPs and people like us, make us a little more agreeable.
Personally I think he’s a weak PM unsuited to the times, without much ‘character’ to speak of: he bends and shifts all over the place and doesn’t seem to be able to scrutinise detail or ask questions, instead relying on ‘experts’ to give him views. That may be an advantage for some circumstances – for instance, his optimistic bounce could work for Brexit – but for Covid, he’s just not the right man for the job. He’s had his chance and he needs to go now, I think (as does Hancock). I guess the only viable alternative is Sunak but maybe the best option is for Tories to get scared by Farage’s new party and for them to be forced to shift that way.
Also I still hold out hope this English lockdown will be ended early. Wishful thinking, but there it is. Haven’t met a single person who thinks its a good idea (the most common refrain is they agreed with the first lockdown, but not this one). That’s the sort of public opinion Boris’ government cares about, I think.
He’s such a libertarian Boris.. so libertarian is he that he is moving us toward a marxist Chinese style regime with a decimated economy, faux green fuckwittery and compulsory vaccinations…
IMHO, the narrative from people like Toby and Fraser Nelson, who actually know the PM, is “for fuck’s sake Boris, wake up and smell the fucking coffee”. They are all trying to give the man a means out of this mess.
I think Toby nailed it a while ago when he suggested they are threatening his baby. Sounds really sinister but something is going on.
Boris doesn’t need threatening. Like father like son. And like his dad, his bit of fluff is Rockerfeller also. He’s the wolf in clown clothing.
If so, then he should resign…….
“It is with a heavy heart…” The Bastard.
It reminds me of my old headmaster with the cane….sorry my son…this is going to hurt me more than it hurts you.
This is the man who hid in a fridge, rather than face reporters. Whever did you expect?
Yeah, I am not buying that England was locked down and furlough extended until March, thereby decimating the economy, because a couple of hospitals in Yorkshire didn’t have enough staff.
We
? Mistake!
Funny how Teresa May took responsibility for her botched Brexit negotiations. Wonder will Boris learn a thing or two
This is dePiffle you’re talking about!
Dear cheezilla, kudos for rejecting the use of dePiffle’s legacy brand name, “Boris”. That brand is now denounced. Fake promise. Shoddy goods. We won’t reinforce that jovial brand with all its positive attributes. The weak fool’s brand should be; dePiffle. I can’t hate any person for their weakness, perfidy and panic. But that doesn’t stop me from despising someone who took high office and stays there, despite (lack of) competence, rectitude, strength…and the rest. I find it very hard to sustain such negative emotions, but dePiffle and his joker enclave make it easier.
Imagine some successul person, with say a profitable business and a happy family – a mother of a family-
Now, imagine that this mother develops some kind of obsession – a monomania – with something. This something could be relatively harmless or even normal and useful to a certain extent, let’s say she becomes obsessed with cleaning the the house.
As cleaning the house begins to take up more and more hours each day, so business become neglected, leading to a falling income and savings are eaten into. Eventually, eeven these are whittled down and the family’s clothes and even diet start to deteriorate, bringing health problems. The family sells the car and borrows ever more money.
At this stage our formerly successful person is now spending 10 hours a day cleaning the house – every day.
On the family side of things, there are now constant shouting arguments amongst family members, when they do speak to each other. The couples’s love life is nonexistent and nobody visits the house any more, because the mother’s obsession with cleanliness makes them feel unwelcome.
The children cannot understand the sudden change which has come over their mother. They begin to lock themselves in their rooms and refuse to open up. She eventually must break down the door so that she can clean.
We live this family story before it becomes too distressful and just before the suicide of the eldest child, and with the mother now spending 15 hours a day cleaning the house.
I’ms ure you recognize this picture, because this is where the government has brought us to as a society.
Just as any obsession, pursued with enough intensity, can destroy a family, so an obsession pursued with enough zeal can destroy a society.
We have gone collectively mad – either accdentally, or by design.
So sorry to hear about this. OCD anxiety can return in periods of extreme stress, she would have just managed it before this happened. A real tragedy, one of many that the government is dismissing with reckless impunity.
I just made the story up as an analogy.to the general state of society.
But there are such cases of course.
There are, I know of similar cases as I work in this sector
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Thanks I have not yet listened to your podcast but will a bit later.
Dr Suzanne Humphries developed “the Vitamin C Treatment of Whooping Cough’. https://www.naturalmedicine.net.nz/vaccination/the-vitamin-c-treatment-of-whooping-cough/
The Tory brand is now as toxic as it was in 1997. Boris, the so called “man of the people”, is nothing but a fraud much like that other “idol of unity”, the walking corpse across the pond !
I don`t hope for much political change in the UK but can at least see that the people know that this second lock down is a joke just by the amount of traffic on the road this morning.
When no trade deal is forthcoming from the Davos Clintons, sorry I mean Davos Bidens.. the shit flying from the fan will be shittier. You’d have thought America would have been the first trade we would have agreed. Trump kept offering it. He’s still in power for 70 odd days, maybe longer.. will Boris go for a US deal? No. Cos that was never his intention. Oven Ready brexit was always a goiung to be a long drawn out stitch-up remain.
Our corrupt establishment had four years to cut a deal with a friendly US Administration..
Trump had four years to sort “big tech” censorship, after all, when Trump was elected the siliconers actually said “this would never be allowed to happen again”.
Trump had four years to deal with potential postal ballot fraud.
Trump had four years to go for the corrupt billionaire individuals living in his country who are hellbent on destroying Western civilization.
Trump had four years to sack traitors who run his so called “intelligence” agencies.
He did nowt.
Indeed history books will not be kind to him
Was Johnson ‘bounced’ into a second lockdown?
Was Merkel bounced….?
Was Macron bounced…?
Was Sanchez bounced ?
………
……..
—and so on
Trump was certainly “bounced” out of the White House !
Will he ‘bounce’ back?
Trump is nothing if not a fighter.
“Life will fully return to normal”
Donald J. Trump – campaign speech in North Carolina – 23rd October.
Has to be Tucker or Trump Jnr now.
Biden is not President just because the MSM says so. In one county in Georgia alone 132,000 votes have been identified as potentially ineligible. There is also a question about 100,000 absentee vote in Philadelphia. Already, in Michigan, 6,000 votes for Trump were”mistskenly” given to Biden. Originally they said this was down to a computer glitch then to human error. The same machines and software were used in 47 counties in Michigan and several other states. I don’t know how this will end, but if we’ve learned anything from the scamdemic, it’s that the media are barefaced liars engaged in information and psychological warfare.
Not yet, grasshopper!
I know group incompetence is not a popular theory here but I still think there’s a degree of monkey see monkey do. All scared of not being as tough on Covid as their neighbours so working each other up in an escalation frenzy.
When I’m microchipped, barcoded and given my daily credits by the great leader I’ll apologise to you all.
You’ll lose credits if you apologise.
You are fined One Credit for unskillful use of language, John Spartan.
Could be just a tad too late by then ?
If Johnson can be “bounced” into taking such a disastrous measure, he clearly has no place in Downing Street. Don’t buy this spin for a second. Just covering his huge flabby arse.
Its utter shit and an insult to our intelligence.
Going to have to switch TalkRadio off now. It’s just as annoying as the BBC.
What a twat.
Glad I wasn’t the only one. I’ve been listening to Bannon’s War Room. Great stuff. As Steve himself pointed out, where is Joe Biden supporting that it was a fair election? If Trump lost then it should come out the wash shouldn’t it? Plus the whole process of electing a president already has this in place.
James Woods had a great tweet:
“And just like that the rioting and looting has ceased overnight. And now the half of the country that pummeled America like a battered wife is telling her to put on sunglasses, hide her black eye, be a good girl, and “come together as one.” Her answer? “Go fuck yourself.”
Thmbs down on what and which presenters are the offenders? Not JHB again?
“The 4,000-a-day figure has since been widely discredited”
Shouldn’t it have seemed unbelievable the day it was presented? As on that day there should have been a thousand deaths a day if it was in anyway accurate. Or so I believe. Is the P.M. unable to read graphs?
When last asked, he asked what a graph is!
Possibly confusing it with γράφω, I write.
Can he write?
It would appear Bozo is as thick as mince! Either his girlfriend is the problem or his puppet master in chief Cummings is, one thing for sure Bozo isn’t the Leader.
Even on the worst, most “deadly” day of the pandemic there have only been 8000 deaths worldwide, so quite how anyone could believe that one small country could produce half that number is beyond me.
They would if they had no prior knowledge of these things, and weren’t given context. Oohh, look!
TalkRadio like everyone else is Biden bum licking.. thumb them down….
But but orange man bad!
A postcard from Free Wales:
The border is closed so sod off, Englanders.
The English will be only too happy to take their money elsewhere and leave you in poverty as your tourist trade disappears down the plughole.
Believe you me, most Welsh people know which side their bread is buttered.
The disgusting Plaid Cymru anglophobes and nasty,brain dead Little Walesers who pollute the borders are anything but representative. But they have managed to crawl into the Great Tortoise’s shell.
What if you identify as Welsh? Is this the start of Trans-Welsh discrimination?
Delighted to never darken your countryside again.
We’ll spend our tourist money elsewhere. I remember hearing the phrase from my peers at school who had visited Wales “We want your money, boyo, but we don’t want you!”
No division please, we have a common enemy
OT
I can’t unsee that clip of him sniffing at children’s hair and touching them inappropriately, makes me sick. What a creep.
That is tame to what is on lil
Hunters laptop !Biden is of course for nationwide lockdown and a nationwide mask mandate.
Is that why talk radio support him?
was Boris bounced into a second lockdown? Surely he would have consulted Dominic Cummings
Its cummings what did the bouncing
The only way out of this is to continue to discredit the PCR test.
Fauci has said in public >30 cycles is useless. UKG have admitted to using 45 cycles.
President of Tanzania has tested + a papaya and a goat.
The whooping cough scandal.
The inventor of the test advising not to use it as a diagnostic tool.
The amount of false +’s
People being falsely imprisoned on the back of an unreliable test.
Everyone admitted to hospital is being tested and likely to be a false +
People not even returning their test and receiving a + result.
Contaminated samples……
The list goes on. A complete scam.
Agree. If all countries stop testing today this ‘shit show’ will be over. It is now only a respiratory illness, even the average death toll is lower than that of the flu
Ban the masks,stop the tests….its all over.
I am trying to find time to write to my MP and local MLA. “Plan for an Immediate Economic Resuce of Northern Ireland and End to Staff Shortages in our NHS”
The detail will consist of one paragraph.
“Set criteria for SARS-CoV-2 cases within adequate CTs. Provide subsequent follow up tests for those deemed infectious. Protect the vulnerable and update isolation recommendations as appropriate”
Get back to work and stop doing zoom calls
The Desmond Swayne interview in the links is magnificent. Deserves a much bigger audience. “I’d still be protesting even if you persuaded me that we’re all going to die”. His sense of humour is always there just under the surface. He’d make one hell of a PM!
Om the subject of humour
Andrew Marr R4 09.15 on a programme about astronomy just said
‘Why do black holes matter ?’
Love him, he sure does have a way with words sometimes! He is one of the few (maybe the only?) to mention the problems with the PCR test in Parliament, albeit very briefly. This is the avenue that needs to be hammered.
Anyone in London attending a protest here? Write to Desmond and ask him to join. Make it known that the parliamentary route is not working and he needs to provide clear support of the people now. Join the streets. An MP on one protest would be massive
Yesterday was Remembrance Sunday, I could not believe my eyes when i saw that video in London of one of Boris
s masked little piggies pushing that Veteran/piper to the ground. This was a total fkin disgrace and sums up him, Khan and our bloody useless Home Secretary perfectly. Scumbags the lot of them.Plus the West Midlands supermarket incident Toby mentions. Oh they’ve apologised for that one have they – but no apology for their intimidating demeanor and ragbag appearance which is appalling. Peel principles anyone?
Can’t believe anyone would buy the Boris was forced in to lockdown reluctantly by scientists line. Clearly an attempt to paint Boris as much of a victim as us. Even if you believe it it shows he doesn’t have the basic intelligence, resolution or courage to be PM. His integrity has never been in question though…he has none.
Abolutely agree.
Seconded! The game is up.
Yeah. Don’t believe it for one second. This government will continue lying even when their collective noses have sprung a forest!
As many people know, enormous problems developed in the US debt markets last Autumn – with the repo market in particular.
Well- known precious metals investor Jim Sinclar (www.jsmineset.com), calls this the best-timed pandemic in history, because it allowed the central banks to, albeit temporarily, get a little grip on the situation by crushing global demand, and hang on for a little longer.
If you look up the Dunning-Kruger effect you may stop at the bit where it details those with little experience believing they are much more capable than they are.
But if you look in more detail, those who are experts tend to downplay their expertise believing they are less capable. And the comparison between the two groups is such that initial hubris is always the higher one.
Basically, amateurs have the highest bluff.
The effect applies to any subject you learn. So it doesn’t matter if you are an expert pianist, you may exhibit the effect if you learn the drums. Or more if you learn a language.
For a smoother transition it is important to have the expert/sceptic types to temper wild assertions.
Now ask yourself: where are these people in our government?
Does anyone else have a pet hate? Mine is people posting on social media or in newspaper comments. The virus would be over/ stop spreading if only the inconsiderate idiots wore masks/distanced/stayed at home itc etc. If I had a £1 for every time I’ve seen this I’d be wealthy. Don’t these folk know a virus spreads come what may? Now I would be cross if people coughed in my face or came to visit when obviously suffering from some virus, I call that inconsiderate, but why must people complain about people just living?
“Rape would be over if we just taught all men not to rape”
That kind of simplistic thinking. That there is only one reason for this and it’s what I’ve been told rather than what the data says.
Or killed all men…which is the equivalent of the covid response
Yes, I’m only on Faceache to keep abreast of criminal activities in the village. My presence is as small as it can be and I can’t ordinarily be found / friended. I do really struggle, however to keep my mouth shut when I see all of this nonsense. I have to have a severe word with myself and not engage. They are too stupid to reason with anyway.
The real truth is it woulda all be over very quickly bar a few mini spikes if they all ditched their masks and we stopped testing like crazy.
Agree with you on that. That’s why I’m rarely on Arsebook as well.
I also hate the virtue signalling when it comes to muzzles where they post selfies of themselves out and about while wearing muzzles made out of “cute” fabrics or adorned with “cute” characters. I don’t think they realise that far from making them look good, they look rather stupid and if I didn’t know them, I would rather run a mile from them rather than engage.
Not to mention that far from protecting themselves from a virus, I seriously doubt they realise that they’re storing more serious problems for themselves in the future.
I’m semi-boycotting Facebook, on once every two days at most to check if any friends have posted anything significant. I did post on it today to mention that James P Johnson is Composer of the Week on BBC Radio 3. Of course I switched off the radio before the 1 o’ clock news/propaganda broadcast!
This from the DT news feed is interesting. Woolhouse is probably right that only half of people with infections are being picked up by testing, but, in spite of that cases continue to fall:
Around half of the positive coronavirus cases in the UK are not being identified as people are ignoring symptoms for fear of having to self isolate, a pandemics expert has said.
Mark Woolhouse, professor of infectious disease epidemiology at the University of Edinburgh, said these cases mean attempts to control the virus are being done “with one hand behind our back”.
Mr Woolhouse sits on a sub-group of SAGE and is a member of the Scottish Government’s Covid-19 advisory group.
He said the mass testing scheme in Liverpool, where anyone in the city can be tested for coronavirus, regardless of whether they have symptoms, is trying to combat that “we’re still not finding about half of the Covid cases in Scotland or in the UK”.
Speaking on the BBC Scotland’s Seven Days programme, Prof Woolhouse said: “It’s probably partly because many of them are asymptomatic or so mildly infected they don’t recognise the symptoms.
“Partly because people do have symptoms but actually genuinely aren’t recognising them as Covid – I’ve heard a few cases of that in the last week.
“And also the possibility that some people are having symptoms and actually ignoring them, perhaps because they don’t want to go into self-isolation.
“Whatever the reason, those missed 50 per cent of cases – it’s like trying to control the epidemic with one hand tied behind our back. We can’t do it effectively if those cases are not also being self isolated and their contacts traced. It’s going to make it much more difficult.”
The man is blind. You don’t control an epidemic. What you control is the measurement of that epidemic. He clearly doesn’t see that.
I’m sure he’s right. You get a positive test, you get locked up, your family
gets locked up, your children can’t go to school, you can’t go to work, you can’t go shopping even, everybody else you’ve ever met gets locked up … Would you rush to Confess?? I bloody wouldn’t.
https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/100s-uk-medics-and-academics-urge-boris-johnson-covid-data-exaggerated-and-second-wave-talk
https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/german-doctors-urge-chancellor-merkel-put-end-covid-fear-machine
When I read that Boris was ‘bounced’ in to a second ‘lockdown’ I am reminded of the phrase ‘Wenn das der Führer wüsste …’.
Ordinary Germans who were confronted with obvious failures or excesses of the Third Reich found it hard to believe that their leader knew what was being done in his name.
It’s certainly hard to believe that Boris would agree with any of the disastrous measures implemented by his Government, but the fact remains that he is in charge and is responsible for the consequences. If he is ‘in office, but not in power’, he should make way for someone capable of more pragmatic leadership.
He owns 100% of his decision, whether he likes it or not.
You can delegate actions, but you can’t delegate responsibility.
Absolutely. The problem for him is the job got too difficult. He thought a quick no nonsense Brexit and he would be a hero.
He forgot events can happen and he needed to man up and deal with them. If he can’t be bothered to learn and think outside his comfort zone then he’d better bugger off quickly and let somebody else do it. I think John Redwood or IDS as a caretaker to get us through this mess. They cannot stay on after though as the Conservative Party is toxic.
Possibly, but I think he likes the role of Dictator too much.
In addition Boris always had a job and more than enough money to pay the bills – this is in stark contrast with people that lost their jobs and businesses and can’t put food on the table. Most of these lost jobs will never return.
It goes back way before Hitler. In medieval and early modern Britain, bad times were always blamed on the king’s evil counsellors, not on the king. It worked well for horrible Henry VIII: he just chopped off his ministers’ heads and emerged smelling of roses.
Re: NHS staff.
In my 44 year working life (Public and Private) I would venture the following figures: 50% of workers do their jobs normally/ 20% work their selves half to death,work their “ballies”(bellies) out and go the extra 100 miles and 30% are skivers,slackers, bone idle and use any excuse to get out of work.
What do fellow sceptics think?
Probably but does the panel think that it is more skewed to the bone idle and also incompetent in Public employment?
20,30 years ago I would agree with you but in the last 20 years I would say that there are as many “skivers,etc” in both public and private.
True that employment legislation has made it harder to deal with them in all workplace environments. But they can at least be treated like the chocolate fireguards they are in private employment and maybe take the hint and move on. They have certainly always risen to the top of the list for compulsory redundancies in my experience even if, technically, their job isn’t redundant it can be engineered that way
Good point.
Having worked in the private, charity and public sector then YES. I worked at a large local authority on the outskirts of London and have never in my life met so many who wouldn’t have been employed anywhere else.
Having also worked in local government for brief periods (one of those EU funded temp contract for 18 months) I can agree with that – mostly clueless ‘no idea’ types who really know how to waste public funds.
Indeed. Did some work for one of the London Councils where they implemented ‘Shared Services’ (meaning work is mostly done on a computer/online and telephone contact with internal customer). People had to apply for the new positions and they were all shoehorned into these positions. One had no computer skills and the other was afraid to speak to people on the telephone.
‘Twas ever thus. I can’t think of a place I’ve ever worked where I didn’t feel I was carrying someone else. Except in our local Hospice, and that was mainly voluntary – but even the paid staff go more than the extra mile, working out of hours too.
This is at least one charity worth supporting!
Like the old joke: How many people work here? About half of them…
As they say “The old ones are the best”
I would say that’s about right. Public sector workers tend (or tended) to be a bit more ready to go “on the sick”.
And of course, if you weren’t on the “staff” :”If you didn’t work, you didn’t get paid”
My wife, a office worker for most of her working life have had many a argument over it but after 48 years we are still together.
You can’t go mad for free – it costs, and that cost is increasing.
The Bank of England announced 150 bn Pounds more of quantitative easing several days ago:
Source of graph -Bank of England
I see the word ”cases” is still being used, rather than ”positive results” or whatever. We’ll never be able to convince the Terminally Terrified that people are NOT dying on the streets unless we use other ways of describing the outcomes of this obsessive testing.
Agree. + Results from a very unreliable test.
Given that practically every person returning a positive PCR test result isn’t actually dying or even very ill, perhaps we should just spin “case” to mean “a case where somebody has successfully demonstrated that their body is able to handle SARS-CoV-2”.
Is that immunity?
Agreed.
If we can stop using the word ‘bedwetter’, then we can stop using the word ‘cases’.
Using the terminology ‘cases’ is part of the propaganda and scaremongering approach.
It really gets my back up when I see it reported as infections! They’re not infections, they’re the result of a dodgy test that has no declared false positive rate and also the government’s own guidelines says cannot be used to determine is someone is infectious or not! If I could be bothered I’d complain to the BBC etc. about the wording but they’ll claim it’s correct.
13 days of hospital admissions to English hospitals. This doubling every 7 or 8 days is getting out of hand!
Also remember that over this period a growing number, from something like 10% to 20% are transfers of pre-existing hospital patients who get infected in-hospital.
Please ask your local MP why they voted for and continue to support the Lockdown. Perhaps your recently redunded neighbours may also be interested, or they could get this information from the BBC, if they ever reported it!
Mine (copied to my mates Des and Graham) :-
Dear Laura,
Bearing the above in mind (sourced from official data) lease could you let me know why the Lockdown was voted for?
I would like to add that from what I am seeing currently, regarding people wagging fingers, reporting people for normal human interractions and spying on others, I believe this current ‘snitching’ mentality and the encouragement these nasty people are getting is actually going to cause more civil unrest, even after this is (ever) over. Neighbours will be warring for years over this. The divisions that have been caused will run too deep to ever be mended – our communities will never recover from this.
As far as the police are concerned – consent is now lost. The public can never trust them again. All those years of goodwill – completely broken in a few (long) months. Or don’t we need to trust them again now? Is there another plan to keep us all supine? Beatings next perhaps?
I ask you again – what have you all done to the people of this country? There will be a new normal alright – one where no-one has any trust in any element of authority. Chaos will rule supreme.
Regards,
Can you provide a link to the source please? It’s one of those graphs that is incredibly powerful, yet simple.
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2020/11/COVID-19-daily-admissions-and-beds-20201108.xlsx
Many thanks
Regarding NHS capacity. Back in 2016 Exercise Cygnus concluded that in the event of a pandemic (which tend to happen every decade or so) the NHS would be overwhelmed. The government decided not to increase NHS capacity. Instead it decided to draft potential legislation, which became the Coronavirus Act 2020. Even Jeremy Hunt, who was the Health Secretary, has admitted these facts, which cast serious doubt on the government’s claim to be concerned to save lives and be following the science. If the government’s expressed motivation was true, surely it would have increased capacity, rather than draft legislation that allows it to govern by ministerial decree (see especially Part 2 Section 90 of the Act)? This question cannot be brushed away by simply pretending that the failure to increase capacity is in the past and pretending the government this year has different priorities because right now the government is decommissioning the Nightingale hospitals that were created during the first lockdown to supposedly increase NHS capacity. Nothing about the government’s responses to the coronavirus make sense if judged by the criterion of the claimed motivation to save lives by following the science.
I am surprised that no-one, in all this time, has mentioned an obvious potential cure for this illness, routinely-used in Germany (albeit for other illnesses); hyperthermia. I have personally experienced the effects of this.
Many years ago, I got a very bad cold. The Common Cold is a Coronavirus, so my story applies directly to COVID-19. I felt really rough, so I went to the sauna in our private gymnasium (I was in the Army). It was a Saturday afternoon, when no-one else was around. As this was in the days before any Health & Safety nonsense, I cranked up the dial on the sauna to 140 degrees Fahrenheit, threw water on the heater, and sat down. The next three hours were admittedly very unpleasant; the steam and hot air stung my nostrils and my body heat went up. After three hours of being heated through-and-through in a very humid environment, I stepped out of the sauna and put the shower on, very hot, and slowly cooled myself down, reducing the water temperature bit by bit. If I had been doing this at my own expense, I would have used a hot bath and just let the water cool slowly. I then returned to my room and went to sleep.
In the morning, I woke up to a revelation, the like of which I had never experienced before. My cold was gone; I didn’t just “feel better”, I didn’t have the remains of a cold; it was GONE, as in never having existed. I later found out that the German hospitals use this as a cure for a number of diseases. The exact temperature used in Germany, under strict medical supervision by an anaesthetist, is 2 hours at a body temperature of 108 degrees Fahrenheit.
The Germans use a modified kidney dialysis machine with the blood heater boosted to 108 degrees. The effect was magical, a complete and total cure, with no side effects.
I also later found out that President Reagan had this treatment. He was cured of his illness, and went on to live for another five years or so, eventually to die of something else. I tried to tell a nurse about this, only to brusquely rebuffed with an angry “Well you’ll just have a heart attack” – and I was sitting there. President Reagan was extremely elderly when he had the same treatment, so it can’t be that lethal.
Of course, you’ll never hear of the disgusting Unbalanced or Witless talking about this; the profits from a dodgy vaccine are too great.
Fascinating. Thanks for that.
Lots of Swedes have saunas in their bathrooms
Saunas have always been popular over here..
The Fins are the sauna masters though.
Don’t the Japanese also use saunas frequently – or is that just a myth.
Finland & Japan have relatively few serious Covid cases.
They do yes – my kids went there this time last year on a (state) school trip (I know right!) – saunas are definitely part of Japanese culture.
Great post. Indeed, it is very beneficial.
That is also why fever is beneficial in fighting virus infections. If you artificially reduce fever (taking calpol etc), then your body can’t properly fight the virus and people might get ‘sicker’ and take longer to recover
Infrared Sauna therapy has similar benefits to traditional sauna https://drjockers.com/infrared-sauna-therapy/
Hot baths or saunas are a great aid to health but I am not sure they should be confused with the fever process itself. Heat work
It depends how high the body temperature is – pyrexia.
I would caution though, if you had an elevated temperature at the time, and this intervention caused it to increase further, then you could be looking at severe rigors, vomiting and health issues.
Shame on you, wanting to cook your granny!
Pathetic and spineless Boris. You are in charge and you were ‘bounced’ into locking us up trampling on our rights and liberties.
You will be known as the most pathetic PM ever.
The last 4 Premier’s we’re awful enough Johnson is woeful and need s to go
When an Assistant Chief Constable feels they can publicly condemn citizens for exercising their fundamental rights to assembly and protest we are living in a police state.
The man needs removing from his position
When London Police Commissioner Dick called on people to use social disapproval and shaming to force people to comply with the rules, she should have been forced to resign. When Derbyshire police used drones to intimidate and shame people for walking dogs in the Peaks, there should have been forced resignations. When senior police officers threatened to monitor people’s supermarket shopping baskets to ensure that they were not buying non-essential items, they should have been forced to resign. This list could go on and on.
Threatened to check shopping – on video – then lied about it later. Double whammy.
They should never be allowed to get away with any of these. At some point they will have to pay especially if they don’t want the general populace calling for their blood or taking matters into their own hands.
NHS has endless capacity for DIE, diversity, inclusion and equity policing. See this recent job advert for the critically important position of DIE gauleiter:
916205371
And this fuller list of the angelic task involved:
“So what will I be doing as EDI Officer?
You will support the EDI team in the delivery of a range of EDI work streams, but more specifically, the Workforce Race Equality Standard, Workforce Disability Equality Standard, Disability Confident, Gender Pay Gap and Stonewall WEI action plans. As there is a wide range of fundamental elements under the EDI umbrella, you will be working with the Assistant Director of Workforce, the E&D Facilitator, BAME Facilitator and the BAME Staff Network Chair, to help create a truly inclusive environment for staff and patients”
What a fillip to dying patients (of non COVID, real ailments) that your last breath would be in a ‘truly inclusive environment’.
DIE NHS
You will no longer sadlidie.
You will inclusivlidie.
Important to be clear:
37% of staff are absent with covid (presumably some absent from other causes so absentee rate > 37%
Or
37% of absent staff have covid which would, other things being equal, imply an absentee rate 37% higher than normal.
Both bad but important to be precise
Thanks for these great pieces of information on how to survive. Now to get it out to all
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I would like to use this opportunity to publicly* condemn Mabs Hussain.
Not “publically”…
Could have been worse…
A fellow commenter asked us a couple of days back whether we were extroverts or introverts.
I think most who answered, said that they were introverts.
At first glance one might think that the majority of lockdown sceptice would be extroverts, because they enjoy having a much broader social life, and surely therefore they must suffer most with the present situation.
Thinking about it, I have come to the conclusion that introverts sufer more.
All of us, introverts or extroverts need social contact, introverts less than extroverts, but still some.
Before lockdown began extroverts had already built up a wide circles of friends and acquaintances, which they have been able to maintain through lockdown, albeit meeting more informally in homes, gardens etc.
Introverts, by contrast. have always gained much of their social contact from the incidental meetings of everyday life – the little conversations here and there, with only a small circle of real friends.
With lockdown and masking, this incidental social life has been considerably reduced. In this situation the extrovert has a large circle of possible friends to fall back on and in the constrained circumstances is much more capable than the introvert of maintaining contact with others, even under conditions of masking and anti-social distancing.- opening conversations etc.
By contrast, the hurdles for opening social contact have, for the introvert, risen ever higher.
Summed things up for me quite precisely. I am an introvert with a limited social circle. Any of the hobbies I do have been closed down. Effectively, placed under house arrest for 8 months.
Sums me up also. I have looked at it this way, I would score my overall enjoyment of life in terms of my ability taking into account finance and health amongst other things to do what I want, as between 7 or 8 out of 10 pre covid. Generally as a fit 71 year old I was happy. Now I would rate my life as 2 to 3 out of 10. There is not a single thing I would like to do that is doable as I would wish.
Im at the sub 5 out a 10 territory right now aswell. The main thing keeping me going is my utter anger at this current situation.
Certainly agree about the incidental social contact, anyone who enjoys this has had a very hard time, the world is a much more unfriendly place. The people who seem more content to look at their phone than have a real life conversation with a stranger have had a much easier time.
Narcissists and virtue signallers which are both conditions the social engineers at big tech have helped make common also seem to have had an easier time.
Indeed. I am an introvert so I don’t really have many social networks to fall back on. But that was the way I liked it – I prefer having a very close circle of authentic connections rather than just lots of superficial ‘pals’. The very few connections I did have before this were enough for me, but obviously they’ve all been taken away now. And as you say, it’s now even harder to make any sort of new connections in this horrendous new dystopia.
Agree, I’m on board with this too. good points. I suppose it’s somewhat narrowed down the gene pool when thinking about potential social contacts & partners! trying to look at that in a positive way!
It was me who conducted that poll, and yes, the majority on here are introverts as I expected. My theory was that introverts are more insulated from peer pressure and the majority view, and therefore more likely to think clearly and come to our own conclusions. But I like your viewpoint, it’s definitely true for me. I don’t have a large group of friends and it’s been much more difficult to maintain social contact, especially with those who are not sceptics. Great theory!
As an introvert myself, I have spent my life having to make up my own mind about things because I can’t simply inherit the views of my social group (because I don’t have one).
I suspect that a lifetime of not having your opinion handed to you might have an influence on levels of scepticism.
Most definitely.
Agree and I also come from a culture where conformity is ruthlessly imposed, my rebellion against that has led me to become cynical and not accept anything I’m told 100%
I might be a stand-out on today’s post. I am extrovert. Since primary school (from the age of about 6 or 7) I have been variously described as ‘aggressive’ or ‘opinionated’ because I do not behave like most women (so I have often been told!). I do not respect authority, question everything I am told until I am completely convinced I am wrong, and play to win albeit I think/hope I am gracious in defeat. Thank you dad!
Yes – I’ll always admit when I’m wrong. My main thing is I will not have people telling me what i have to do – particularly if it makes no sense or I don’t agree with it. That’s my Dad too! He did take it to extremes though – he only started eating chocolate after they told him he was diabetic – I’m not quite that silly!
I actually wonder about representational systems – the way people perceive the world. There are four main groups, auditory, visual, kinaesthetic and auditory digital. The first 3, people see the world more related to those senses where as Ad, there is more questioning and analysis. People tend to have a stronger lead RS, though combinations of more than one are possible. I am strong Ad, as is my husband ( there is a test you can do to find out which RS you are). When I was on an NLP course, it was interesting to note that the non Ad people seemed to not only be compliant on covid regs, but were only informed by the msm, knew very little about the information I imparted or the fact there were alternative information sources other than the msm. Additionally, they were also full into climate change, knew little about other ‘alternative’ world issues, events or seemed interested to question or research them. We had a couple of people who were strong sceptics and also up on all the other nonsense with WHO, U.N., Gates etc., so we had some lively debates. Anyway, I digress, but, although a very small sample group, it seemed the ones who knew more of what was going on and questionned the narrative were in the Ad group.
Spot on, describes me to a tee!
Well said. This describes me down to a T.
Over the summer I came across an article written by someone who’s an introvert. He was told that he must find lockdown easy since it means not having to meet people, make small talk, etc, His article is a response to that remark, that on the contrary he’s finding lockdown a struggle since he can’t go out, grab a coffee, people watch or even have the opportunity to have a small chat with someone.
That article and this comment pretty much articulate what I think and who I am. The hurdles have pretty much been higher agree and if you’re like me who has had a history of being bullied, anti-social distancing and muzzling has resulted into a siege mentality for me.
Absolutely. I’m amazed at the things I really miss, going out for a coffee in a normal environment is definitely up there. I’m further handicapped by having friends and family almost wholly MSM devotees, and are reluctant to meet up. The visceral reaction I have to mask wearer’s means all outings are stressful.
The masked muppets ruin everything but they couldn;t care less. They are wearing them for us though of course. How does that work when they wear them in their cars. I really worry that these mornons will still be doing this even if it is ever over.
100% bang on. I’ve always been a deep introvert, but the one thing I’ve learnt from this shambles is that I NEED human interaction.
I had no idea, none at all, just how important my weekly running races were, where I would mix with a crowd of near strangers and absorb the buzz and their energy.
Or how important it was for me to go to a pub after a hard day working alone, have some banter with the bar staff and then sit quietly in the corner people watching whilst half pretending to read a good book.
All gone now, and I’m not sure it will ever come back again. Or at least, when it does come back, the hurdles (as you say) will be too high – I’m not tracking and tracing, not for anything, ever.
LibLabConSNP out now https://www.remove-the-tory-government.org
West Midlands Police: “We’re committed to keeping our communities safe from the deadly virus, however on this occasion, we got this wrong as the man told us that he was exempt.”
By destroying their lives and liberties.
I have lost all faith in the Police – disgusting, brainwashed simpletons.
The Police are merely a blunt instrument in the hands of the government, with just as much power of independent thought
There are two publicly available documents, ten minutes perusal of which would have told WMP that they were wrong. Having already looked at them myself, I knew instantly that the cops in the video were wrong. The documents are (1) Govmt guidance on face coverings, and (2) the legislation on face coverings. Hint for WMP: legislation… law… police… geddit?
‘ disgusting, aggressive, arrogant, brainwashed simpletons. No worse combination than arrogance and thickness. I have noticed on several videos, the need for hands in pockets and over-sized clothes on female officers, general scruffy appearance, absence of cap/helmet-this slovenly act sums up their lack of respect for what the uniform once represented, and equally their role, function and consequently the public they are there to serve not harass.
How far would things need to go for the army to come out in support of the public, I wonder. Though most senior members are probably common purpose, so I guess the government can do what they like.
I don’t really have much faith in the armed forces either. If anything, they are more brainwashed than the police. It’s only when they leave the army and witness first hand how the government does not give a shit about them and they end up with mental problems and homeless that they realise what has happened to them.
Actually the ladies/girls are forced into these oversized clothes – that’s all there is. It’s another Common Purpose ploy to make people fat and ugly.
And for a skeptical site the dozens of upticks on the *police disgust me* type posts, you disgust me too ….. that you cannot see that you are being played and falling right into what the powers that be want to create, complete hatred between the people and the bobbies.
Get a grip!!!!!!!
You are doing their work for them.
We need to say NO to this as well. Give us back our ordinary decent police force. Our whole society needs reform and this type of attitude merely creates what you included do not want to see.
I’m not even going to apologise for my rant. Lockdown Sceptics should be able to see through this agenda of destruction as well and do all in our power to slow down this appalling trend.
Do you want to recover a decent society or not? or are we to be like the French Revolution where we get rid of one bunch of psychopaths only to replace them with a worse?
Thanks for this.
You’re right, it is all to sow division. My brother in law is a police special. I know he is a good person, but it scares the hell out of me what he might be made to do. When I see police acting in the way they have been recently it sickens me, hence the “they’re all ****s” post.
I wish he’d give up the night job and spend more time with his family.
I’m sorry if I offended anyone, it’s just how I feel.
If they started acting like the “old school common law” police that we all don’t mind paying taxes for, then they can redeem themselves in my eyes.
I fear that this might not happen though, hence my original rant.
I think the police are permanently scarred by this…i would never help them out again after this….and i have also been a law abiding person who supported them. Never again.
“Conservative MPs complained that the information they were provided with was insufficiently detailed for them to make an informed decision on the matter. The motion was duly carried.”
This confirms what our MP told us in our phone conversation with him on Friday. He said that MPs were very unhappy about the slowness of the Dept of Health in providing any information requested.
It doesn’t excuse the fact that they voted in favour of a motion where they weren’t in possession of the full facts. Our MP, for example told us that he voted for lockdown purely on the basis of the numbers he had been given from our local hospital trust which, as we pointed out, receives many patients from a wide area, way beyond the city boundaries.
Part of our response to him was:
”We are never told whether patients included in the hospital data were tested and became ill BEFORE they were admitted to hospital, or were taken to hospital with something else and tested positive WHILE they were in hospital. The data also does not tell us whether these patients with POSITIVE tests are actually being treated for symptoms of the virus or being treated for something else.”
One example that I often quote is that of Kenny Dalgliesh. He went into hospital earlier this year with a gall bladder problem. He tested positive for Covid whilst in hospital but had no symptoms. When he was discharged, he was sent home to isolate.
If insufficient information is given to reach a decision, then surely you should vote against? That has to be the safest position to take??
Not if you embrace the precautionary principle and think that dying in your 80s or 90s with a positive covid test is the worst fate that could ever befall someone. Nor if you fail to recognise that there is nothing safe about tyranny.
Or vote to postpone this decision while awaiting sufficient information. Not good enough to say the matter is urgent. I am sure we have all been in the situation when a salesman, eager to clinch a sale, says that the offer is only valid today. What do we do? Call their bluff, of course. This is no different.
I wonder what threats were made if MPs voted against?
Never told? Never bloody asked, did they?
This minky business is surely a socialist plot to blame the lifestyles of the rich and tasteless for the plague? What next, Bentley Bentayga bugs, Vuitton virus, ermine epidemic, poodle pox, Saint Laurent spores…
Not forgetting muesli mucus and latte lip sores!
Artisan loaf weevils
So this is the narrative put out by Whitty, Vallance, Johnson and Stevens – with my comments in parentheses:
1. Despite our best efforts, the virus is out of control and there is a possibility that Covid deaths could reach 4000 per day. (Not true. Based on poor science and old data. The 4000 a day claim now withdrawn. R rate was falling in any case. )
2. Due to 1, there was a consequent huge rise in hospitalisations that would shortly overwhelm the NHS. (Not true – we now learn that the real problem is the huge absentee rate among NHS staff which appears to be a consequence of the testing regime. The other reason is the government refused to fund an expansion of NHS capacity over the summer. )
3. All excess non Covid deaths associated with Lockdown are to be put on the Covid side. (This is a contemptible and nonsensical argument. Lockdowns are a government decision – so is deciding to frighten the public out if its wits. We see from Sweden that national lockdowns and spreading fear are a matter of public policy – the Swedes did not opt for draconian lockdowns and they maintained a sober and sensible dialogue with the public.
4. Lockdowns work, test and trace work and a vaccine will work. (There is absolutely no evidence for any of these three assertions.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjK1B_vUVAA
Watch this before it is taken down.
Coronavirus, patents and Fauci.
A month ago, I think there was a fair bit of doom and gloom on the sceptic side, some of it being exploited by interlopers.
Now not so much. We have over 30 Tory rebels not prepared to go along with the plan. Reports suggested this could rise to 100. Both the Mail and Telegraph have taken up anti lockdown positions. The government’s ramshackle statistical presentations have fallen apart in their hands.
It’s all looking so much better.
Some of the “interlopers” are actually on the sceptic side but they are sceptical of claims made by both sides.
Plus the 500 doctors, health specialists scientists etc.
You try telling any lockdown fan that what we are dealing with is a seasonal virus. However it was prevalent in March/ April, disappeared through the summer (with 2 million visitors to the south west and no-one in hospital there) and then re-appears in the autumn. Seasonal?
There’s definitely a seasonal element. The fact that the prevalence of the virus increased in pretty much every country across Europe at much the same time is not a coincidence.
And yet seems to be rising longest and hardest in those countries that locked down earliest and hardest. Obviously the UK being over the peak must be down to the impeccably observed Test and Trace and tiring systems!?!?
Seasonal plus maybe some residual effects from having locked down earlier, longer and harder which may have had some impact on the spread. Lots of those countries are masked up too, which may have an impact.
I’d like to see what happens in Sweden over the next few weeks before coming to any conclusions about significantly greater levels of immunity in the the later (or non) lockdowners.
Germany still seem have some control despite being bordered by countries with rapidly increasing cases.
clearly massively seasonal. not one country in europe ‘let it get out of control’ in the summer
Seasonal might not mean what you think it does. Its probably little to do with weather, but more to do with the times of year when most people move locations permanently or semi-permanently, they swop herds, so some of the herd immunity drops for a period before it build back up. A lot of movement of people between late August and October for instance, maybe up to 10% of population, which is enough to unbalance herd immunity for a period.
And complete the herd immunity as all those youngsters that had been locked away from the virus and have now been exposed and are immune. The piece from the other day, on here, plotting the gap between the UK fatality curve and the natural fatality curve appears more right by the day.
Ivor Cummings did a great video showing the seasonality of covids, the same infection curves can clearly be seen in different part of the globe taking a similar shape but temperate climates had a flatter curve than more polar regions.
Total all cause mortality is around or just below normal for this time of year.
Flu and other respiratory deaths are lower, with the Covid-19 rate appearing to have replaced those that would usually appear in those categories.
I think at this stage there just bamboozling us. What does the below even mean from Nicola Sturg-un?
“If we go into winter with a high level of infection, even if it is a stable high level of infection, any increase in the R number again, which may well happen because people in the winter are more likely to be in indoors environments, that increase in the R number will operate on a higher baseline and more quickly overwhelm it.
“That is not me signalling that we’re about to put the country into level four. We will take any decisions around that carefully.”
“But it is probably me signalling that we have to be a bit cautious about too quickly moving too many parts of the country down the levels system and opening up the country too much, too quickly because then we run the risk on that high baseline of things taking off again.”
Absolute gobbeldygook from Wee Sticky Nurgeon
Pish. She is so far gone and invested too much in it she is now talking gibberish.
It sounds as though she is reading from the script provided by the non-scientist, non-medic with the portfolio of ‘alternative facts’, Professor Devi Sridhar.
“which may well happen because people in the winter are more likely to be in indoors environments,”
So she is admitting that confining people to their homes will increase cases.
A very good spot Ewan. If only our journalists would call them out on it.
Isn’t Johnson despicable? Sitting around whining that he was “bounced” into lockdown, like he had no choice in the matter. He’s the f’ing Prime Minister of the country, I’m certainly no Thatcher fan but can you imagine her sitting around crying because the big boys made her do it?
He had the power. He could have insisted on more complete data and modelling. He could have had it sense checked by an external agency. He could have come out on Saturday and informed the public that the leak was premature and incorrect. He could come out right now and inform the public that the data was wrong, the situation is stabilising and lockdown is no longer required.
But no, he’s too scared of looking weak. So instead he just sits back and looks even weaker. This must be the end for him, surely?
should have said I’m not doing anything without a cost benefit analysis. I am amazed that SAGE think the effects of lockdown are outside their remit
Well yes. But SAGE also said that the Treasury are responsible for that analysis. So – are they doing it? Who sees it? Why can’t we?
He is following the agenda.
The Philippines:
“Blog/Australia & OceaniaPosted Nov 9, 2020 by Martin Armstrong
COMMENT: This is happening in the Philippines right NOW. Unfortunately coming to the USA. WATCH THE VIDEO
We can not travel from town to town without FIRST applying for a travel pass, then you must submit to a PCR test for every person who is traveling. Average cost is $60++ Each test. So if you have a family of 4 traveling it will cost you over $240 just to get approved BEFORE you depart your hometown. Then you have to submit a itinerary online to the town you wish to visit and to make sure you stick to the itinerary, you have to hire a TOUR GUIDE (contact tracer) then you can ONLY stay in approved HOTELS. These requirements are to travel to the next TOWN. Oh, and then you have to go through a military CHECKPOINT that verifies your travel pass, PCR Test results and then THEY escort you to the local city convention center where you go through a triage AGAIN. After you do all of these things, you have NO MONEY since it was spent just trying to get here. NOW you have to turn around and GO home because you are broke. OF COURSE, this is why the entire community has been destroyed in the Philippines. The entire country put into lockdown status because about 8 thousand people have died over the last 10+ months.
Last year and previous years more than 100 THOUSAND people died from infectious respiratory illnesses. This is a very common statistic. Year after Year.
There were no lockdowns,
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/australia-oceania/philippines-medical-ids-to-travels-within-the-country/
Video at the link.
I think the Phillipines and Argentina are competing for the worst possible response to COVID-19. Both doing a stellar job of destroying an already poor economy.
There was a really good graph on the BBC (I know stopped clocks) comparing the UK with the rest of Europe. Needless to say it has disappeared, did anyone manage to save it?
Not sure of the graph you mean but if you search euromomo it gives the mortality rates for each country in europe
I understand there is a petition to get the pig (I no longer have any respect for the police) who threw the piper to the ground at a memorial service to be sacked. Maybe somebody knows where it is.
The Times today GCHQ in cyberwar on antivax propaganda Spies tackle disinformation linked to Russia
Is this really about tackling Russia or closing down any questioning of the UK establishment and their upcoming mass (unnecessary according to many medical professionals) vaccination program?
Why can’t big pharma simply make safe, reliable products that actually benefit the world rather than lobby the state to propagandise and criminalise anyone who dares to question any of their products. What have they got to hide if they won’t just have a honest debate.
psyops in operation. Blame to Russions for anyone posting adverse comments on vaccines. I have been accused of being a Russian bot more than once on the ToL site.
Me too. Except when I am accused of being a Chinese bot that is.
On the proposed testing of children in a Liverpool school – it is absolutely incredible that any school would not recognize that prior positive consent would be needed.
FFS! The misuse of the precautionary principle has, for years, required prior consent for the normal photographing of children at school events as society has detected a budding paedophile around every corner.
That the management of the school shouldn’t have grasped the proper issue of consent in this case is a marker of how the level skills of such personnel have fallen with the privatisation of the system from the Blair years onwards – in line with the growth of ‘academy’ chains as commercial enterprises.
It’s incredible but my take on it would be simpler – I have no training in this area but common sense dictates that consent is required before a medical intervention.
I agree with you just in terms of the general principle, enshrined in the Nuremburg protocols.
But the point I am making is that this principle should be easy peasy stuff for a competent head of an educational institution.
The posting from ‘alw’ also tells a related tale. A not-often recognised factor is the removal of educational expertise and professionals from Local Authorities, and subsuming the function under generalised ‘Children’s Services’. The result is seen in the amateurism of the quoted response.
It’s all been a slow car-crash, originating in the Blair years and continuing onwards. I once had a front seat in observing it in a number of roles.
And this from the Director of Children’s Services in Liverpool. For someone in such an important position one would expect him to be more conversant with the law that underpins the functioning of his department. A referral to the Local Government Ombudsman and/or a lawyer would be appropriate.
Thought they could get away with it. Good thing we have Toby and the Free Speech Union
Had a belated & pathetic reply from my Labour MP re: last week’s vote. At the risk of wasting space I will not paste the whole thing, but here are some excerpts:
“Everybody is concerned about the rise in infections, hospital admissions and – tragically – the number of deaths…”
Pretty sure this is at best, an exaggeration. At worst, an outright lie. I wasn’t aware there had been an exceptional rise in hospital admissions, nor deaths (certainly not respiratory deaths, per. Yeadon)
“While these new restrictions are not in any way desirable or perfect, I do not believe there is any excuse for inaction or for allowing the virus to continue to spread. It is with a heavy heart, and in the national interest, that I support them…”
Hmmmmm.
“strategic mass testing would give a clear, coherent roadmap for the next phase of containing the virus…”
Oh FFS.
I noticed this excerpt from Lord Sumption’s recent musings: “It is customary for those who doubt the legality or constitutional propriety of the government’s acts to start with a hand-wringing declaration that they do so with a heavy heart…” Interesting choice of words!
For what good it will do I am in the process of composing a reply. Gonna take a bit of time to perfect it, but suffice to say it will not be remotely complimentary…..
I got this from my MP :
“”I’m alarmed at the rising numbers of deaths and hospitalisations we’ve seen from coronavirus and extremely concerned about its effect on the health service. ICU capacity is already stretched and with a shortage of nurses, there’s a danger our NHS will be overwhelmed. We are reaching a critical point.”
AS you say – FFS!!
I started a detailed reply, but have since re-thought about how to force a particular justification for the above, based on real data. I reckon length and detail simply play into the hands of received non-think.
If you are trying to figure out the government’s next step, try this:
I you were waging psychological warfare against the UK population, what would you do next?
From this starting point (and if I were any of the key players, not a human being capable of empathy and understanding what makes people tick)I would keep turning the screw with a view to extinguishing all hope and resistance. I would continue to lie in the face of the truth to continue to shut down conversation and destroy any possibility of discussion. I would double down on the granny-killer narrative and whip up further anger against dissenters.
If you believe the UK media, ministers were furious that people dared to leave their homes for anything other than essential food at the weekend. I expect endless petty harassment of law abiding citizens by the police all week to demoralise them further plus the UK tabloid media will be used to publicly sham citizens in the usual manor with all the standard propaganda insults and threats about being on a ventilator in the comments section.
In a way the Government have been hoisted on its own petard on this, they ramped up testing so that I guess many people out and about at the weekend will have had a test, either -ve or +ve and asymptomatic, either way how can you expect people who have been tested like this to then be afraid of this ‘deadly’ virus. I think the fear factor that was there in March/April is not there anymore and ironically testing is one reason people no longer fear this virus.
You can fool some of the people all the time and all the people some of the time but you cannot fool all the people all the time.
https://mobile.twitter.com/NicholasHowes6/status/1325536538235719680?s=08
As I commented yesterday:
“We are now witnessing the disintegration of society in real time”
God knows where we’ll be a year from now.
The Times is very much behind the Great Reset / Green New Deal. The elite social engineers are busy at work again today trying to get us to spend more time locked up at home on the computer where we can be spoon fed their information. I have never liked the 9-5 office working day and the unnecessary rush hour commutes but I suspect something more sinister is taking place, many of these jobs will be completely replaced by AI, not done at home.
CORONAVIRUS
More than 90% want to work at home Only 7 per cent of British workers want to return to the office full-time after Covid-19 restrictions are lifted, a survey has indicated. Half of those surveyed said that they would choose to work from home either every day (18 per cent) or most days (32 per cent). The remainder would choose to work from home some..
‘polls’ and ‘survey’s’
I have yet to ever been asked to take part in one or known any close family member who has. I strongly suspect they are used by social engineers to steer public opinion and reshape society via the media.
We surveyed our staff and the shift was more like from 10-15% of time being WFH to something like 60-70%. Most wanted a mixture – some with most of the time at home, some with most of the time in the office, and a few at either extreme. The survey was based on things being fully back to normal…
Of course in pratice people might change their minds after a while, one way or the other. Until offices open again, there’s no real way of knowing.
I like ot think our survey results are honest and accurate – the questions were not leading and staff felt under no pressure to provide answers one way or another.
90% seems quite high. I think a lot depends on the demographic of the workers, and where they live.
Anyone noticed that Biden has launched his new site?
https://buildbackbetter.com/
The URL isn’t a coincidence.
He must have bought that a long time ago or paid top dollar for it (or been gifted it by WEF).
The expression originally came from the UN. They dusted it down in March when claiming that Covid meant we needed agenda 2030. Then the WEF picked it up in their great reset propaganda, the Boris, then Biden.
Like the sound of that, particularly the new employer!
A very good comparison.
I think we now have the French Revolutionary situation on a global scale.
France in 1789 was bankrupt with massive debt.
Same today.
A month ago it was announced that our local urgent care centre (urgent care part closed since March) would be used for one of Boris’s lighthouse covid test labs. Yesterday I noticed a whole lot of portacabins had appeared in the car park. So it seems they are doing PCR tests in leaking portacabins in carparks rather than proper quality assessed clean rooms. No wonder the results are rubbish.
Also noticed that my local library which is a very old building has been converted into a testing centre which is no better than your observations above
Yes – the whole business is farcical : millions pissed up against the wall in pursuit of statistical nonsense.
A friend who works at a hospital in the so called ‘hard hit’ area of the North West mentioned to me 10 days ago about her experience working in a hospital in the North West.
She said hospitals are busy but a lot of staff are off with stress or have left. Apparently some nurses are refusing to help out on covid wards after helping out on those wards during the first wave. Then when they realise it is happening, they go off sick call the stress card which puts more pressure on everyone else. She says (and rightly in my view) that “we should all look after our mental health”. But she’s starting to hate that phrase now because too many people are calling it.
Clearly there are a lot of dedicated staff working for the NHS, and I’m fairly reluctant to make this post, especially as people like her are clearly dedicated. But I think it does need documenting that there are some NHS staff that are making it deal more difficult for the NHS to deal with with what is not abnormal seasonal viral activity.
She didn’t mention anything about staff isolating due to contact with covid+ tests etc , so can’t comment on that.
Sullivan reaching for mystical answers that fit his emotional preference (personal hatred of Trump), when the simple explanation is right in front of him, I think.
Trump lost because the big money and power elites put in the effort to ensure he lost. Whether there was organised actual vote fraud on a larger scale than usual might be uncertain, but the simple facts are that the anti-Trumpers (both Democrat and Republican) spent far more money and deployed far more broadcast and social media power via big media and big tech than his supporters did.
Advertising/propaganda does actually work on a significant proportion of the population (as we have had amply demonstrated with the coronapanic). It might not always produce the desired result, if it’s going against a reasonably strong tide, but in this case it clearly did.
And of course there’s no doubt that Trump provided his enemies with plenty of ammunition. He is a deeply flawed human being (as is Biden), but some of his strengths are flip-sides of those flaws. Certainly nobody with sound traditionalist and conservative views could survive and get to the top in the face of the structural biases now in place against them without being seriously thick skinned, to the point of insensitivity, and also being massively independently wealthy. Look at the contemptible character of those running the “Conservative” Party in the UK, whom Sullivan comically describes as “nationalist” and “culturally conservative” – people who have shown no interest in closing the mass immigration floodgates intentionally opened by Blair and kept open since through three “Conservative” PMs, and who seemingly have no problem with police chiefs and other authority figures “taking the knee” to leftist thugs, and no problem with crushing time honoured liberties and traditions to implement a radical authoritarian and collectivist solution to a non-problem, or with spending freely and relying on a magic money forest to do it. If those people are “culturally conservative”, then Sullivan’s a banana.
That is the world we now live in, after the long triumph of the left in the C20th.
The Democrats spent more because the Trump campaign pissed away so much money early on when Brad Parscale was campaign manager. I totally agree that the opposition to Trump was vicious and personal, but Trump surrounded himself with lots of grifters and second raters, that’s on him.He discerned lots of important issues that nobody else was talking about, so long live Trumpism.
What’s important here is not why but the fact of the immensely bigger spend. Though in reality the reason the anti-Trump side spent so much more is the same as the reason big media and big tech were so blatantly and shamelessly biased – the rich and the powerful by and large prefer the non-Trump agenda.
You’re not wrong on the role of big money. That’s why Trump got where he did in the first place.
But, despite the raddled nature of the Democratic Party, he’s no hero – just a bumbling, narcissistic and questionably literate idiot. The US is obviously better off without him.
How much better off remains to be seen. I have some personal litmus tests – such as whether Biden can undo the damage done by Trump’s dog-like servility to the Israeli state and the damage done to Palestinians by moving the US embassy to Jerusalem. Then there’s the minefield that is the middle east in general, and the one-eyed antagonism towards Iran.
I have no great hopes – especially in light of the lack of grip on the Covid narrative. But Trump just fell on the right side of that issue, after stumbling around in his usual incoherent manner.
“You’re not wrong on the role of big money. That’s why Trump got where he did in the first place.”
Not clear what you mean by that – if you mean big money put Trump in office, then you are just wrong. Clinton outspent Trump by 2-1. In that case, the power spend was not enough to overcome the support for Trump, aided by the details of the electoral college. This time, in large part thanks to even more shameless and open big tech and big media bias, the big money seems likely to have gotten what it wants.
You appear to have emotional difficulties in analysis where Trump is concerned.
As for the ME, the US’s obsessive delusion about that region is far wider than Trump. His personal approach was just a rather different mix from the mainstream’s, but probably about the same overall. It was under Democrat rule that Libya’s and Syria’s governments were destroyed.
Just a quickie on earlier topic re NHS staff.
https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S2213-2600%2820%2930453-7
These 3 doctors were elucidating the problem of false positives on health care staff some time ago. I had sent this to my totally waste of time letter to Keir Starmer a few weeks ago.
Like Eddie, I am not feeling well today. I am going to take some time off as I can no longer read the scientific articles etc, which I reckon I have spent some 300+ hours reading since the beginning of March.
And I am disappointed that some attempts I have made to mobilise stuff seems to have yielded no result (nothing to do with this site).
So let’s hope next time I’m back there will be better news, but I have little hope of that, I’m afraid. Actually I am REALLY afraid.
So, if Bunter was ‘advised’ that the moon is made of green cheese, he would immediately commission a UK moon landing programme would he? Presumably paid for by closing the NHS. Sorry, ‘our’ NHS.
He leaked the dodgy dossier himself and is now trying the dubious and shallow ‘poor me’ approach to get him off the hook. He is a lazy, incompetent, mendacious oaf and needs to be put out of his misery in the interests of the country.
That was my suspicion too. A leak via Cummings.
The Friday night teaser leak to test the waters is an institution now.
More cheese, Grommit?
The hypocrisy in The Times today is staggering given what is going on in western countries. How are we much better than Hong Kong at the moment? Just look at the treatment of Piers Corbyn.
China has crushed rights in Hong Kong, laments watchdog
Human rights have deteriorated rapidly in Hong Kong since China clamped down on free speech in the territory, according to a US commission. The national security law introduced by Beijing in June has led to arrests, sackings and censorship, the congressional-executive commission on China, an agency that monitors human rights, said in a report. It cited the arrests of…
The Chinese people need to remove their ‘leaders’ and put them on trial for their crimes against humanity just like we do here. That is the reset we need.
Que ? Liang Shan Po !
I can’t be the only one who remembers ‘The Water Margin’ ?
Western corporation have unfortunately enabled China to become a superpower and at the same time they have helped to hollow out and destroy Western society with the transfer of millions of jobs abroad.
Why did Western governments allow this to happen? and why is the Chinese model of surveillance and control being imported into the West. We are clearly going to get the facial recognition, health passports and social credits systems which have been incubated and tested in China. The West instead of turning away from China seems to have decided that it the best model to follow.
The Great Reset the World Economic Forum promotes is the Chinese CCP control system in disguise.
Absolutely, pollution has just been transferred abroad to countries with far lower standards.
I have to say I have never bought into this anti-China narrative. Recently Hong Kong asked China for financial assistance due to a downturn in their economy. Also, right now, they are far freer than we are.
CovidDenyingAntiVaxxingGrannyKillingLipSmackingThirstQuenchingSceptic!!
We’ll need to agree a royalty percentage; hang on while I phone Diane Abbot…
That would send your local busybody wild!
Laptops for disadvantaged kids. I know this isn’t directly related to lockdown scepticism but it may be relevant to many of you. In my home town we’ve started an initiative to collect old laptops (anything post Windows Vist), clear out the existing Windows operating system, load Linux Mint (which is an Open Source FOC operating system which is far less processor/memory hungry than Windows so PCs run much faster) and a browser. We then give the PCs to disadvantaged kids.
The Government had promised PCs to all kids in receipt of free school means but now in many areas they’re only getting 20% of their needs. In the UK about 4 million laptops are cast aside each year. Loads of these, by putting on light touch software can be repurposed, even a knackered battery isn’t a problem because they’re primarily used at home & can be left plugged in.
I would encourage you to get your PTA to set up a similar scheme. Find some volunteers with some IT competence, the Linux site has how to guides & downloads. Put an appeal out for old laptops (we had 6 under a bed, 4 of which we’ve repurposed!).
Loads of kids are having to work from home & they don’t have PCs, this is one way you can help kids and fight back a bit against the Lockdown.
Sounds great, Nick.
Great idea many old laptops work perfectly well with Linux and stop people getting tied into the Microsoft web.
Well,,
Does this fight back against lockdown or does it accede to the digital logic of lockdown?
Yes, I must have that discussion with the 3 year 7 kids we gave PCs to this morning who haven’t been able to do their homework for the past fortnight & have the mick taken out of them at school because they don’t have a PC.
I’ll tell you what, when you’ve taken the laptops, ipads, smart phones off your kids I’ll go & get the PCs back we’ve just given to these 3.
I appreciate your argument – I really do.
https://www.businessinsider.de/international/silicon-valley-parents-raising-their-kids-tech-free-red-flag-2018-2/?r=US&IR=T
Excellent, send me your old PCs, we’ve got a shed load of kids who need/want them.
Fantastic!
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“Trump Is Gone. Trumpism Just Arrived” – Brilliant analysis of the US election results by Andrew Sullivan”
For those still living in a worshipful Trumpian delusion, this, indeed is a well-written article, taking a broad view (right of centre) of the US election result. It raises some arguments, such as still being rooted in simplistic right/left description, but a lot of its basic analysis is penetrating.
For those obsessed with ‘wokeness’ as a signature of the ‘left’, he paints a much more complex picture, which essentially (and rightly) sees it as an impulse that has gained far more traction than it deserves (partly as a result of antagonistic obsession that rants rather than analyses), and which does not command strong support from the wider centre and left. As he points out :
“The threat of wokeness ….alienated educated white voters“
Sullivan’s piece, that you imply agreement with, puts forward the basically mystical notion that American voters collectively and by some magical process intentionally voted out Trump while supporting Trumpism.
I disagree. I suppose Sullivan’s magical thinking could be true somehow, but it’s surely more likely that the personal hatred of Trump that drips from the piece like water from a soaked sponge has driven Sullivan to ignore reality for a concocted, preferred fantasy.
He’s not been voted out yet.
A fair point, but rather a technicality, I feel, since I have no doubt the authorities in the key areas will ensure that the results come out right for the Trump-haters.
Then again, I do tend to the pessimistic side generally.
Gore/Bush ?
Presidential election or video choice?
11.30 BBC R2 Jeremy Vine saying there will be an announcement about a vaccine in about an hour.
I wait with bated breath.
Oh shit!
He’s had government announcements timed to fit his show before. His producers get to select which karens voice their outrage/support.
Sarah Jarvis is on, too. Time to do something else, methinks.
Karen Jarvis
Condescending. Doesn’t like to be challenged. Treats old people badly especially if they disagreed with her
No – really?
I have not seen that woman for months since I switched off the tv, she is obnoxious and loathsome. I would not have her as my gp, there again to have any gp at the moment would be a miracle.
She’s a ‘scientist’ remember:-) that’s how they announced her input on that terrible interview
Probably related to The Times front page today. The propaganda campaign has clearly started.
Russia is already rolling out a vaccine, Sputnik V.
Yes, their top Doctor Ivor Chestikov has said he heartily recommends it.
As Peter Hitchens has just highlighted on talkRADIO, we must continue to keep the pressure on our MP’s who actively voted for the latest lockdown.
Dear MP,
Please could you explain why you are happy to destroy other peoples jobs and lives (through a lockdown YOU voted for) but continue to draw a full wage from the public purse?
You should not expect to keep your post after the next election when myself and many others will have the opportunity to make you redundant.
Yours sincerely,
And the reply will be because Covid… exponential…NHS overwhelmed….let it rip….following the science…with a heavy heart…. R number
I think we should keep writing but that asking very specific questions, backed up by data is the way to go.
I agree, though having been initially placated a few months ago by my Labour MP’s promise to ‘hold them carefully to account every month….’ I am beginning to suspect that they do not know, & maybe even really don’t care, about the numerous problems with the data, PCR testing, etc. Certainly my MP has not once answered any specific question the last couple of months, & I know for sure she has received at least a handful of constituent-specific emails, just from 1-2 of our village residents I’ve come across, so I’m debating the best way to compose a reply to her justification for backing the latest measures…..
Perhaps a “short sharp shock” is in order. something to the effect: ‘The next time constituent [x] dies or suffers lifelong debilitating issues as a direct result of your lockdown vote, I hope you’ll join our efforts to put [Party name who voted in favour of lockdown] on the death certificate?!’
Yes, it’s hard to know what approach to take, SH. The first time I wrote to my MP I got a detailed and encouraging sceptical response, but no reply to my last just before the lockdown 2 vote. Since we tend not to know them as people, we don’t know what is likely to hit home with them individually. I reckon the key thing is to keep trying!
Ignore the response. I have, deleted straight away. Just keep hammering home that more people now are not happy and they are going on universal credit at the first opportunity.
Great letter.
Done
That Piers Corbyn footage is pretty disturbing stuff. Metropolitan Stasi doesn’t quite do it justice.
Progress boys and girls?:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8929031/Tories-demand-lockdown-ends-early-amid-claims-PM-fears-bounced.html
Not sure if it is related, but the FTSE has just gone harry rompo.
Announcement on Pfizer vaccine – it’s 90% effective.
Clearly a lie. How this can possibly be known after such a short trial period?
When it becomes clear that voluntary uptake is not as high as they expected, the government are going to try and make this mandatory for the whole population. From this point forward, all our efforts need to be concentrated on legal challenges to this.
Agree completely.
Well if effective means nothing more than it correlate with reduced symptoms in an otherwise healthy individual with a positive test then they probably can get away with claiming this. I think that was the aim, was it? Surely they can’t possibly claim causation when so many people are asymptomatic anyway.
What does that mean please? not heard it before
Harry rompo – market going up a lot.
Doing toilet – market going down a lot.
Sorry, old (1980s) City speak!
I have a visceral hatred of masks that my husband just can’t understand, I know coming on here that people understand me. I can’t stand to see people wearing them so I now will avoid shops at all costs and scowl at people who wear them outside.
I was out walking yesterday in a large nearby park. A couple coming me had nappies under their chin, they spotted me and quickly pulled them up and stood metres away waiting for me to pass. What the hell is wrong with people?, I looked and shook my head and rolled my eyes at them, I’m quite sure they were too thick to know why.
I can’t stand to think of a world where this is for ever and masks will be part of everyday life, please give me some hope that the madness will end and my sanity will be restored!.
Visceral is the word I always use – no-one who doesn’t feel the same will ever understand unfortunately. We’re just being dramatic! It was what caused me to have a public breakdown in the street a couple of weeks ago. I just don’t want to be in this world where they are everywhere. I have 2 daughters, so I am forced and trapped into staying here. Otherwise I would be gone by now.
I understand your breakdown, I had a very public one in a supermarket. My sister told me I was making myself believe that masks were a big issue!, I have avoided contact with her for a couple of months now. I also feel strongly about the meaning behind them and potential health issues but it is deeper than that. We are not alone, of that I am certain.
I feel the same. They make me feel sick with fear.
I have the same visceral loathing.
How the zombies can go around faceless, and de-deface their children, and WANT to live in a world without faces, I can’t imagine. But I have this suspicion that there is actually nothing there under the zombie mask. No face, no life, no person.
Keep on refusing the nappy-gag.
I scowl and shake my head at every muppet in a mask outside.
First thing I’d like to know today is the results so far from the rapid testing in Liverpool. Have they been published?
Lol.
Second thing I’d like to know today is how Simon Dolan’s judicial review progressing.
How do you know that the “Mink SARS-CoV-2” strain is utter crap: there has never been a virus that spilled over three times without a loss of function/virulence! Even Reston Virus (a kind of Ebola) was no more than a mild ‘sniffles’ when that spilled over from chimps to humans!
One thing I definitely don’t want to know today is that they are starting to issue the vaccine.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54873105
You should read how they measure “effectiveness” in that study, it’s hilarious!
Care to elaborate?
read the article! it helps when judging for yourself
I have… I’m just wondering where the information is on Pfizer’s measure of effectiveness is? Different source/data sheets etc?
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04516746?term=NCT04516746&draw=2&rank=1
Estimated study completion date OCTOBER 2022.
That’s one of the problems, which is why they seek to fast-track it, effectively, to get an “authorisation to use” approval before the completion of the study. But the problem is how they measure effectiveness—where does it actually say they seek to reduce infection/reinfection?
“It uses a completely experimental approach – that involves injecting part of the virus’s genetic code – in order to train the immune system.”
Experimental. Groovy. Let’s inject it into every man, woman, and child in the UK. What could possibly go wrong?
If the goal is to train my immune system, just give me access to the live virus from a legit COVID case. I’d happily smear the real thing on my tongue in preference to being injected with this experimental shit.
Why won’t people realise that this how our immune system works when faced with the virus. This vaccine couldn’t be used with vulnerable people as their immune system is likely to respond as it does for the real McCoy.
even had Philip Schofield checking his phone and reporting to the This Morning audience .. and the blonde with him shrieking with joy. Expect full MSM overload on this
Add him to the list!
Just read that, they haven’t tested it exhaustively as they do not know its effectiveness for different age groups. “The data presented is not the final analysis. It is based on the first 94 volunteers to test positive for Covid – the precise effectiveness of the vaccine may change when the full results are analysed.” wow 94 that is really a lot
Am I being optimistic in hoping there are enough of the herd to jump at the chance of the jab, therefore those of us with half a brain won’t need to have it?. OK, I have to try and look on the bright side occasionally.
I can only speak for (or rather about…) Belgium so it’s probably of little comfort to you, but I had no problem declining the flu vaccine lately (which I’ve never taken as its effectiveness has been notably sub-par in past years and I have never caught the flu, despite having had many respiratory infections of bacterial origin in my lifetime). Notwithstanding loads of propaganda to have the flu shot ‘to protect the vulnerable’, the final comment of my GP after I declined the offer for the n-th time was that there was not enough to go around this Winter anyway, as there were too many candidates. In short, with a bit of luck – limited stocks willing – you might get the opportunity to pass of your refusal as a self-sacrificing act to prioritize the most vulnerable (if they haven’t all died of neglect by then).
Fauci admitting at 4:48 that a
https://asm.org/Podcasts/TWiV/Episodes/COVID-19-with-Dr-Anthony-Fauci-TWiV-641
Don’t worry, they’ll go back to sub-35 cycles once the vaccine starts being rolled out
Just imagine the coincidence of an announcement of a “vaccine” a few days after the old global swamp monster Biden got his “votes” in to win the Presidency.
And just as the narrative starts to fall apart – funny that
I know, scary coincidence!
The Biden victory means one thing and one thing only. The global mandatory mass vaccination programme is about to be launched.
Ain’t no Biden victory.
msm don’t call the shots. The US electoral and legal systems do.
Yes, there is still a way to go. The Electoral College still needs to certify their electors… 2016 lots of them in a few key states faced death threats, unless they switched their votes from Trump to Clinton. So widespread that even CNN through gritted teeth were forced to report on it. This was after forced recounts in 3 states Trump won he was nor particularly expected to, historically strong Dem areas, with Dem dominated local machine (Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania) that effort failed spectacularly, when the recounts had to be halted because they realised that Trump was gaining votes left, right & centre…!
My prediction for two weeks time. Welsh firebreak didn’t work, let’s have another.
I just heard someone on the radio saying it will be alright if we need another short ‘lockdown’ in January to get it really under control (or words to that effect). I think he was a business owner – obviously not one too badly affected by the madness.
Or he delivers for Amazon…
Drakeford said that I believe. He said something like “that will do it until the end of the year”. So, more lockdowns I think is what he is saying.
Needs to be kept below -80 c. Just imagine Ratty Hancock trying to figure that one out…
Liquid nitrogen, liquid ethane, liquid carbon monoxide all have boiling points below -80 degrees.
dry ice sublimates at -78 degrees
I would be interested to know if a rush of people taking annual leave in the NHS may also be a contributory factor to staff shortages. I have just returned from a visit to my own GP practice. Only 1 of 7 GPs was working today. All the nurses and HCAs who were not allowed to take annual leave over the summer are now cramming a year’s worth of holiday into the two months before the end of the year. To add to that, two nurses with kids at a local primary school have just completed 2 weeks of self isolation due to their children being a contact of an asymptomatic covid child. Do we have a perfect storm of false positives and annual leave? Anyone else heard anything similar?
is anybody doing an article on how the covid rate in Wales since 23 Oct is indistinguishable from that of England, despite them being in a Firebreaker? (the 7 day rolling average anyway)
Professor Tim Spector of KCL and the covid survey app, interview by Julia Hartley Brewer on TalkRadio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ4nSSHvwN8&t=524s&ab_channel=talkRADIO
He is still a bit bought into the “something must be done” narrative and believes in the tiered restrictions, but in a very quiet, moderate way in this interview rubbishes the national lockdown and the notion that admission rates and deaths were/are rising/will rise exponentially. He’s not a full on sceptic, but he’s talking a lot more sense than Whitty and Vallance
ToL today running article about GCHQ being used to counter anti-vax propaganda from Russia. You just cannot believe some of the comments. I despair of the intelligence of a lot of fellow citizens.
I don’t know any Russians! Still not fucking having it.
(Tourettes has returned, apologies)
There’s a vaccine for tourettes.
Not having that bastard one either – oops
I fucking had it. It works a fucking treat.
The next fucking post contains strong language from the start, you twat. And scenes of a sceptical nature.
If I’d learned how to reproduce those little faces in text, I’d put the one with its eyes screwed up and tears of laughter pouring out
Are HM govt worried nobody is listening to their own disinformation?
Covid is mostly a mental disorder.
Symptoms are:
Some people catch it quite badly. In others the symptoms are weak but still quite noticeable.
Mental covid has infected most people now, except for a few that have natural immunity. There doesn’t seem to be a widely available cure for those infected. Some treatments are showing promising signs, (e.g. lockdownsceptics.org, talkRadio, information on YouTube) but are only available in small scale.
Don’t forget Offguardian as well.
Excellent work, Dr stewart.
Is this it i wonder..
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54873105
Yep. For the drug companies, the oligarchs like Bill Gates, the Silicon Valley cult obsessed with the extension of life, this is it. The widespread experiment they have been pushing for – the RNA vaccine that could be the gateway to cancer treatments.
No doubt they genuinely think they are doing humanity a service by forcing everyone to try a new experimental vaccine that could lead to a breakthrough in medicine.
They want to sterilize our children.
I already know so many people who have desperately wanted children and couldn’t – how many more do they need? The human race is bringing about it’s own demise – clever lot aren’t we.
As you know CGL, my brother and I were both adopted and had a second chance at an incredible life. There are many wonderful children who just need love and family.
Of course, yes there are. x
It always made me feel terribly guilty afterwards, when my friends who were so desperate looked on, and we had our 2 relatively easily, but weren’t as desperate on that side – BC (before children) – as they were.
I am full of admiration for anyone who goes down the adoption route – as one of those friends actually did with her 2.
I just wish people would consider it more as an option rather than default ‘scientific’ measures.
Actually, I think this reaction to the new coronavirus is very consistent with historic human behaviour. As a species we react to things we consider dangerous by trying to destroying them rather than finding a way to live with them.
We’ve consistently destroyed wildlife that poses a physical threat to us either to the extinction or the verge of extinction.
We’ve now become suddenly more acutely aware of the threat of the microbial world, and are reacting in a very “human” way – destroy it.
We don’t really think about the consequences of destroying the threat until much later, when often it’s a bit late anyway.
Same with this. With just a bit of thought we would realise that microbes are essential to our lives. But that’s too sophisticated a thought for the current moment. Right now we just have to destroy our threat and deal with the consequences after.
That is the human way.
The comments on that article are thoroughly depressing.
Surprising the new magic cure was announced less than a week after the US elections. Perhaps this whole thing was just to Dump Trump. No more no less (except to Reset as well).
No wonder there are so many (false) positives — Is this how Boris and Co are getting our numbers to look so high?
July 16, 2020, podcast, “This Week in Virology”: Tony Fauci makes a point of saying the PCR COVID test is useless and misleading when the test is run at “35 cycles or higher.” A positive result, indicating infection, cannot be accepted or believed
In the UK, it’s typically run at 45 cycles
See my post below with link to the podcast
Thanks Stefarm – will look now.
Why are the BBC and other MSM not JUMPING ON THIS?
My pleasure, great minds. The MSM shills could bring the whole shitshow down in a second but that’s not their job. Their job is to instil fear and sell the vaccine.
Anybody in MSM who doesn’t speak out are all complicit and are on the list.
It should be sent to MP’s and possibly those who voted against the lockdown.
The Dictator has sucked the life and soul out of anyone who’s spent more than a day in his company
This includes his own family
He is now sucking the life and soul out of Britain
Re: “so called” vaccine.
The government have lost the argument over CV and Lockdowns but if they can con the sheep and collaborators into believing that the “snake oil” vaccine will protect them, the said sheep and collaborators will believe that good old Bojo and the experts and advisers have saved the country.
Life – back to normal then, but, but, only if you take our poison.
The madness could end by the simple expedient of the government labelling a placebo the vaccine, making it available anyone who wants it and declaring victory and asserting they are the heroes who saved the country.
Thank you Steve, you described and worded it far better than I did.
By then testing less.. and issuing less false positives.. voila.. what a success…
Only.. they want that digital ID.. and the Great Greta Reset where everything is powered by Sir Kier Obama’s mangina farts.
The vaccine – and whatever the fuck is in it – has been the sole end game of this shitshow since day one.
Take it and you will be enslaved in the worst totalitarian system in all of human history (or dead). Refuse to take it and you will be completely frozen out of society (or dead).
When faced with two options, always chose the third.
Vaccine is the key to a whole new system of surveillance but hey,Boris is just a libertarian sort of guy and this is all done to incompetence.
R2 Jeremy Vine
‘Ppfizer announce they have a vaccine ready’
That was it.
Just the little hurdle of testing to cross? There hasn’t been enough time to do effective trials.
makes you sterile 5 years after taking
https://violationtracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/pfizer
90% protection for a virus with a 99.95% survival rate…pppfffttttt
Yep, still not quite as good as our immune system.
So one person in every 2000 who has the vaccine doesn’t survive?
Sorry – misread your post. Silly me…
Wonder why covid was weaponised?
As it’s not been tested properly, I think I’ll wait about 10 years to see if there are any long-term side effects…
Unless I’m forced / coerced into having it, in which case the next time anyone in government mentions “human rights”, they can fuck right off.
given they can only supply 1.5 billion doses by the end of 2021 it would be immoral for someone who isn’t in a high risk group to take it
I shall gladly donate my share to a saintly tiktok nurse.
As someone who has already suffered vaccine damage from a BCG jab I was forced to have working for the NHS, they would have to drag me kicking and screaming from my house. There will be ‘special vaccines’ for ‘special people’. It is no accident that we have (or had) more healthcare than ever and yet we are sicker. We are ther customers from the cradle to the grave.
So a few days after stealing an election, A miracle “cure” Vaccine is found.
Colour me fucking shocked.
Maybe it was about getting rid of Trump after all, (And a nice little earner, with some lovely new Laws too, as a bonus)
Rather like the Iranian hostages released minutes after Reagan being sworn in. Funny that these things seem to happen
Only Biden hasn’t been sworn in yet.
Was an agenda put into place in order to remove Trump, or does Trump have to be removed in order for the agenda to proceed?
He said there were questions about the ability to manufacture it at scale and possible toxicity – but “the trial data show excellent results in both of those areas”.
They’re probably injecting bleach.
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-developing-coronavirus-treatment-that-disinfects-body-uv-light-inside-1508350
I have said to people Trump was actually repeating this story, badly, and that he was also right about HCQ. They just can’t get over their own bias with him
There are three trials going on. I can say though that the AstraZeneca trial with Oxford University has many problems and is the one the FDA suspended following the death of a 28yr Doctor being one of the trial guinea pigs so to speak, two women in the USA who have both suddenly acquired a long term rare neurological conditions and others who have become ill since being on the trial. I wouldn’t touch any of them.
Today’s report comes from Streatham. Traffic quieter than “normal”, but certainly plenty of it. Buses almost empty. Those shops that are open seem to be doing a fairly normal trade. A few masks, but little or no shuffling. Had a nice chat with a delivery driver about the shall we say, over-eager, monitoring of loading bays. Still, TfL’s multi-million-pound shortfall has got to be paid for somehow.
So, really, this is a lockdown in name only. It’s a farce. The only thing being destroyed is businesses. I’m punch drunk with all this bollox now. All involved deserve life imprisonment – but only because I’m against capital punishment. I think I’d make an exception for treason.
No the lockdown is also affecting social, cultural and family life badly.
Hello, this is page 2 of a letter I have sent to Starmer. Page 1 in next post.
It is a scandal, a true national scandal when our economy has been tanked, mass unemployment is on the cards, our GDP collapsing and other economic indicators for the sake of ‘protecting the NHS’ a failing organisation who is there to protect us not us to protect them. Just for the record, much is made of people not going to A&E, GPs or other medical appointments because they do not want to overburden the NHS. Wrong, the truth on the ground is that they are being refused access to these services in particular, the elderly who were unceremoniously dumped into care homes by the NHS and then, issued with DNR notices without their consent or knowledge, refused admission to hospital however ill they were and required urgent treatment and left to die without dignity, care, lonely and ill probably also in quite considerable pain. GPs refused to visit Care Homes
Where is the Chief Executive of the NHS in all of this? He should be instructing GPs to open their doors to face-to-face appointments, stop Consultants doing private work whilst there is a massive waiting list for medical interventions, diagnosis, surgery and treatment for serious medical conditions. He should be ordering the Dentists (who have been off for nearly a year on full pay) back to their surgeries and failure to do so would result in the immediate removal of their funding and salaries. But no, it is the British people who once again have to bear the brunt of this, the most corrupt Government in UK Parliamentary history and the NHS is allowed to sit and twiddle its thumbs whilst Rome burns.
I heartily commend the Backbenchers who so passionately defended the liberties of the British Nation and I have written to them individually thanking them for this. You? Nowhere, not a whimper of an opposition, “Yes Prime Minister, Of course Prime Minister, anything else I can help you with Prime Minister”. You are just as much a charlatan as Johnson. This kind of ‘toadying’ is excruciating. You are the worst of cowards. You are utterly devoid of any political convictions or integrity. You think that, by turning the Labour Party into Tory Party Mark 2 is going to get you elected as Dictator Keir Stalin. Well, it will not. I can tell you that with a considerable deal of certainty. So, whilst you continue with your obsessive petty little witch-hunts and ‘purges’ within the Labour Party of anybody who holds remotely left wing views, the same as your illustrious alter ego Comrade Stalin, you are actually not only destroying the Labour Party but yourself too.
In the meantime, in this, the most corrupt Government in UK Parliamentary history, a robust opposition is badly needed who will speak truth to power and protect the British public from the worst excesses of this drive towards Totalitarianism, removal of our civil liberties and freedoms and the subjugation of large sectors of society. You are grossly incompetent as the Leader of the Opposition, you are obsessed with your little purges and with appeasing the BOD. In the meantime, the UK economy is in a Depression with mass unemployment on the cards and you cannot be bothered to even fight for the Citizens of this country. You are a COWARD, A CHARLATAN, A FRAUD and a petty, tin pot, wannabe Dictator.
So, Comrade Keir Stalin, it’s time for you to step down and go you will never have the opportunity to become Dictator Starmer.
I look forward to hearing from you.
I can just picture Starmer with his fingers in his ears going “la la la la la la….”
That’s probably about right. It seems to be a normal response for him.
Do publish his reply.
No don’t, too late for words
I won’t get one but at least I’ve tried!
As someone who used to answer these things for a minister can I suggest you edit it down to a single side of A4 ie about 400 words max. Anything longer tends to be a rant and not to be taken seriously. If you wish to attach data, keep the letter to one side and attach a clear appendix of data. Your final couple of paras no doubt make you feel better but I can guarantee your letter will be filed in the shredder and you will only be rewarded with a form response.
Thank you for this advice.
Hi, first page of letter to Starmer.
Dear Sir Keir,
I am writing due to the Labour Party’s, in fact most notably your, failure to oppose the Lockdown 2 in Parliament on Wednesday, 4th November 2020. This failure is commensurate with your having spectacularly failed so far to raise any opposition to anything.
Firstly, I cannot express my disgust strongly enough by the imposition of this second Lockdown based on nothing more than quite clearly fabricated statistics compiled by Chris Whitty and Patrick Valance. It appears however that you had not bothered to analyse these statistics before blindly voting yes to more house arrest, destruction of the economy, destruction of the retail and hospitality sectors and others. Conversely, the Rt Hon Teresa May had done so and told you she had read the Sage Minutes of 23.09.2020 from which she had concluded it just set the scenario for lockdown after lockdown. She also asked whether it was not the case that Johnson, Gove and Hancock had manipulated the true data in order to impose this Lockdown rather than apply critical analysis to it to prevent having to. Instead, without having made any attempt at finding out the truth, you leaped straight in and voted for a further lockdown without any thought at all about the consequences. Shame on you. It is the truth that this alleged pandemic more accurately referred to as a Scamdemic I believe, has little or no foundation in either truth, fact or evidence but rather in mass propaganda, hysteria, fake news and blatantly fabricated statistics.
In the second instance, the first Lockdown and now this Lockdown, is predicated largely on ‘protecting the NHS’ and ‘not overwhelm it’. In fact, Johnson said if the NHS were overwhelmed then it would be prevented from delivering care to others with cardiac, strokes and cancer. Well, FACT, they have not been doing so since March 2020 Lockdown. They remained almost shut from March to July. All diagnostic, lifesaving treatment, elective surgery and other services being totally cancelled. At Appendix A of this letter I attach the true cost on the normal, healthy population of this obsession to Protect the NHS. It is likely that in the next five years in the region of ¼m people will die as a result of a lack of diagnosis of cancer and other conditions requiring proper treatment. The NHS is not overwhelmed, in fact is decidedly underwhelmed during Lockdown yet the staff remained ‘stood down’ on full pay when they should have, at the very least, been on Furlough. It is not overwhelmed now, it is running at normal capacity for this time of year and, the information provided by the ONS actually shows that CV-19 is not only not the cause of death in the majority of deaths it is 24th down the list. People are dying of flu and pneumonia though. What the ONS also showed is that there was a substantial increase in deaths at home. I would say this is due to people who had life saving treatment, surgery and medical intervention cancelled.
The NHS is a failing organisation through and through. I would remind you it takes £145bn of public money and delivers an extremely poor-quality service. It is now about time that 70% of the non-productive, highly paid, tiers and tiers of managers, administrators and non-clinical jobs be made redundant and the revenue from this shifted to increasing bed capacity, medical and clinical staffing levels in order to meet these demands. Are you completely devoid of analytical and critical skills? Small to medium sized businesses have gone under as a result of the first lockdown and more will do so as a result of this one. Hundreds and thousands of people have been made redundant as a consequence. Why should the NHS be exempt from this. We have the lowest number of acute and ICU beds in the developed world and, incidentally, the most expensive health care service in the world apart from the USA.
The spanners great enthusiasm to get tested and inflict the pain of house arrest on their nearest and dearest reminds me of the time the Simpsons went for family therapy.
Enjoy
https://youtu.be/JFCgz959ARY
We definitely have a busy body’s charter in place with all of this. Stay strong, stay sane.
Keep us posted. Big Brother really is watching. Keep up the resistance too!
Makes me so angry that you are being persecuted this way, kh. And thousands of others like you, no doubt. I know you will hold firm – we are all right there with you in spirit.
The French people are having a pretty awful crisis, students are protesting and ‘clashing’ with police because they haven’t been locked down harshly like the rest of the population. From the Telegraph –
Students outside a high school in Compiegne, north of the French capital, Paris, have clashed with police in protests over health risks posed by schools being open during the pandemic.
Student demonstrations having started to build up in France over the last week, with some teachers and students protesting against keeping schools open – while the rest of France is in lockdown – saying it jeopardises their health due to the risk of catching Covid-19 on crowded school premises.
Hopeless
That made me laugh to be honest!
As posted by Stewart earlier, covid is mostly a mental disorder.
I never fail to be amazed, though not surprised, at human masochism.
On no,not again Kh.Somebody has really got it in for you.It’s like the daughter of the family restaurant we go to said last week,there is a concerted effort,through whatever means,to destroy hospitality and small independent businesses.
Keep up the resistance,if North West Essex falls we all fall !.
Disregard the vaccine talk.
These things have to surface now and again to keep the theme in the public mind.
There will be no ‘efective’ vaccine.
An ‘effective’ vaccine would imply the end of current measures.
Anyone who looks into coronaviruses for 30 minutes will realize there is no point – they mutate too easily.
Any vaccine that comes along will be subject to more scrutiny than any other virus before.
As soon as it appears – and a sample is available – it will be analysed from 136 different angles on the Internet in real time.
Social control is the goal.
Any vaccine would have to be mandatory in order to be effective, even if it did appear. That would risk so great a backlash as to threaten that primary goal.
Exactly. The key is that the ‘infections” and “deaths” due to the virus are massively inflated. This is a nothing burger in general terms. It never was a serious issue apart from a small subset of people.
It was pure GIGO. But that has allowed amazing amounts of compliance and tyranny
I do not understand this claim. If a vaccine is effective, it renders the vaccinated person immune. That person is immune, regardless of whether or not anyone else is vaccinated.
But, but, but, what about those who are obese for whom the vaccine likely won’t work. We need to protect them so they can continue to eat!
If the vaccine doesn’t work, it is ineffective. On the obesity issue, have you seen Dr Kenrick’s latest blog post: https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/11/03/dr-david-unwin-can-stop-people-dying-of-covid19/
Thanks for that. Yes, as far back as April/May, research from one of the New York hospitals noted that obesity was the second significant factor after age in determining likelihood of death.
But not BAME status.
Yes, but obesity these days is being larger than a size 12 for women!
Effective, safe early interventions, such as HCQ, make vaccines unnecessary for the general population.
Average age of coronavirus related deaths is over eighty. Life expectancy is less than eighty. The virus is having zero impact on mortality. The virus is not a serious problem for the vast majority of the population.
I know what you mean Steve and I agree.
I was already in my mind assuming the argument of the authorities – which would be accepted by the public – without explicitly stating it.
Cheers.
Actually that is exactly what herd immunity is.
The concept herd immunity (which is barbaric language) refers to a generalised immunity in a population as a result of prior infections from which individuals have recovered and thus acquired immunity, when this reaches the level that there are insufficient numbers of individuals in the population who are vulnerable to sustain the infective agent.
Why is it “barbaric language”?
Because it implies that human beings are cattle or antelope or some other herd species.
get over yourself – it’s that kind of thinking that got us here in the first place
Oh, I see. I really is degrading to lump human beings in with such noble creatures
Humans are a herd species! Very few are free thinking individuals. Most are terrified of being outside the herd.
They intend to make it mandatory, calchas.
I met with two members of the military who were paying their respects at local war memorials, and they seemed oblivious to the irony.
Also my multilingual friend is digesting a terrifying new letter sent out by ACU2020 begging individual members of the forces to remember who they serve.
Just think about where we are now compared to 10 months ago. This is not a time for any complacency or wishful thinking.
The purpose of the vaccine is to inject people, not to put any kind of stop to the covid problem.
You may be right of course.
However, if so, than I think there will be many caveats that anti-social distancing and masking will be made to continue.
The big, big, question obviously, is what such a virus would contain.
virus? vaccine? (Agreed)
You are right about complacency. If a vaccine appears, which allows the reduction or disappearance of anti-social distancing and masking,. then I will take it all back.
Yes- remain watchful.
What surprised me in March was how quickly the ‘Gates/Vaccine conspiracy’ meme appeared. It was almost instantaneous, as if somebody knew that the ‘conspiracy crowd’ would need something to latch on to.
My previous interest in this kind of stuff has shown me that ‘conspiracy narratives’ usually need more time to develop.
Interesting idea, I can’t be sure but tend to think that a lot of people already knew Gates is behind vaccination drives. He’s been speaking about it for a very long time now (and injuring people).
All of which would have made it perfect for the role.
Social control? … Social domination?
calchas – you obviously know more about such things than I. I thought that the pharma companies were defining effectiveness as reducing the severity of symptoms, so if that were true how would it bring an end to current measures?
Who would be doing the analysis ? Could they argue against any claims made without running their own trials?
I agree this is all about control now. But I think they will push the vaccine, regardless of efficacy because the money has already been spent.
I take your point. ‘efectiveness’ must so be qualiied as to allow measures to continue.
As for analysis, I would assume that any mass vaccination program which would be attempted, would mean that samples would fall into the ‘wrong hands’ enabling analysis.
Often helps if you put them on the back foot. ..ask them what evidence they have and whether they have talked to other people about this since you may wish to discuss this with your solicitor to see if there is any slander or illegal intimidation being deployed.
Yes, be strong kh and go on the offensive. Bullies back down, but please keep us posted, I’m sure we are all worried for you.
Hugs xx
Jesus wept.
I think these clowns do deserve what they will get when the shit hits the fan.
In the meantime, stay strong
https://youtu.be/zbymzgzDIEM
Not sure of the provenance.
here’s a bit more rational background from the blockchain point of view .
were you able to trace the number or was it with held?
Good thing you do not need to speak to person on the phone unless they introduce themselves and provide evidence of who they are. You done want to divulge trade information to an investigative journalist or snitcher pretending to be an official
Take photos/videos of all these types visiting your establishment. Might be good to get on twitter (retweeted by people like KBF/Simon/Darren Grimes etc)
Might even be good to get Darren Grimes involved – big story on how honest small businesses are hounded by the establishment
https://mobile.twitter.com/darrengrimes_
https://darrengrimes.com/contact
I never answer the phone if it says ‘Private number’.
Could this news about the vaccine ‘breakthrough’ possibly be linked to what Alex Belfield said on his YouTube channel the other day, about the BMA sending letters out to medical personnel to prepare for a Covid vaccination programme starting in December this year?
OMG it’s just a few weeks away.
Send the doctors a letter reminding them of their personal duty of care to not injure their patients with a rushed vaccine.
Just following orders is no defence
The doctors and nurses are the first ones c**ping themselves over having to be. vaccinated themselves.
The email was posted here the day after the Alex Belfied vid.
Given that GPs have hidden away because they are scared and hospital staff because they are too fat, such personnel should be the first to get the new vaccine.
Will be curious to witness, no doubt with many thousands of others, the likes of Jelly Johnson, Lt Gruber and the comedy twins of death get their ugly backsides out in Trafalgar Sq as they are first to submit to this fabled vaccine. May still wait a decade or two before taking it myself, mind.
If it were 100% verifiable that they received a real dose then in would be an amusing spectacle. I’d still wait many years before having the vaccine myself though
Is it possible our PM is so low-information? He really must be 3B material if he didn’t look at at V and W’s figures and think, “That can’t possibly be right”. Any teenager with GCSE level maths and science could see their report was completely without merit. I expect Johnson is just flailing around now looking for some one to blame because the public are waking up as are our (generally) comatose MPs. In fact I suspect all these bits of tittle-tattle ‘leaked’ from the cabinet are deliberately released to manipulate public opinion. In a just world, the cabinet and its advisors would not be exempt from suicidal thoughts.
He knows exactly what he is doing.
They don’t call him “slippery” for nothing.
Option A: Boris is so innumerate he lacks the cognitive ability to question the figures put in front of him.
Option B: He’s manipulating public opinion to shift blame.
It’s a tough one. Can I say both?
I think he leaked it. He knows the game is up and he is about to walk away – he always does!
He’s doing a press conference today, probably to announce his new sunlit uplands wonder vaccine. Pat himself on the back about its ‘success ‘ (for Pfizer shareholders) and then he’ll get Twitty or Handcock to intone that we ‘ must obey lockdown ‘.
Johnson is an empty vessel, and always has been. In many ways the perfect vehicle to usher in the transformation into a totalitarian system.
Someone with much more intelligence and attention to detail will be required to maintain this system going forward.
Agreed. We’ll need to keep very close watch on the next incumbent.
Did they introduce themselves and explain what their authority was for questioning you ?
Reply from an MP, good one. I wrote a short letter thanking him for voting against lockdown, and said how terrified I am.
From: WALKER, Charles
Sent: 09 November 2020 12:25
To: (me)
Subject: RE: Lockdown vote
Thank you so much for taking the trouble to write to me with your kind comments and thoughts about the challenges we face.
If there is one silver lining from all of this, it is that I no longer take for granted all the privileges and freedoms I mistakenly thought were mine by right.
Yours,
Charles
…………….
I replied as follows:
Many thanks for your reply. I agree and often mention that I was born a free English-woman and intend to die one as well.
Sending prayers and strength
Rosie
No pictures of people queuing outside testing stations in Liverpool today
Make no mistake, if there were queues they would be publishing pictures of them
12,000 out of 480,000 on the first day, and?…………..
At that rate. they can do everyone in just over a month.
They will consider that a success, don’t you think?
Supposed to be twice a week so on your maths that means 8 months.
So 2.5% of the population tested on day one
The plan is to test the whole population every four days
That’s 4,032,000 tests a month. So .27% of the target achieved on day one
Even if they tested only once a month and maintained the ‘enthusiasm’ of the first day they could only ever achieve 360,000
Another expensive shit show from PHE
Said on Radio 4 this morning that Army mass vaccination teams would be rolling into Manchester and an unnamed southern City.
‘Rolling’ sounds a bit ominous
Will they be driving tanks?
This shiiiteshow, that’s the image I get, of the tanks rolling back and forth across Tienanmen Square.
And then of former MPs coying up to Chinese politicians
and then of us getting called Nazis for voting for Brexit
Obscene
Except lockdown has killed and destroyed more already.
exactly in line with my conversation with two members on Thursday
did they say when?
No, but it was inferred imminent.
2nd part of Jeremy Vine show talking about lockdown 2 with most callers moaning it wasn’t lockdowny enough.
JV did finish by saying
“we’ve had several callers saying they went out to see what was happening and were dismayed by . . .
how many people had gone out. . .!”
Bad doctor Sarah Jarvis full on Pfizer vaccine enthusiast before I cancelled her.
.
This madness is beyond caricature. It is already a satire of itself.
I think it is important to remember just how much draconian censorship is going on surrounding all of this. We need to acknowledge that many anti-lockdown callers were probably blocked by the BBC. My view is, if there was any truth in any of this, we would be ready to accommodate as many different points of view as possible.
So, certainly around here, people are angry but the pro-lockdown people are the ones that get on the programme.
Wonder what kind of kickback she gets?
Everyone else is too busy trying to get on with their lives as best they can to call Jeremy Vine.
Does going out to see if anyone else has gone out constitute a reasonable excuse?
US election: Facebook, Twitter and the gang – the Friends of the Dems – are now censoring people who message about Benfold’s law and closing down their accounts.
Benfold’s law is a mathematical rule of distribution that is used to identify suspected vote rigging. Trump’s vote is in line with it while Biden’s is totally out of kilter with it.
The idea put about by the BBC and the MSM that Biden and the Dems wish to “heal” America is a grotesque lie. They intend to silence, to censor, to persecute, to hollow out the constitution and to steal all future elections.
It will be interesting to see how the BBC deal with the election fraud. Will they track the US MSM which has already gone from “no evidence” to “little evidence”? Of course they will.
Meanwhile interesting to see how the US networks have failed to call Alaska and North Carolina for Trump despite those being obvious calls. The reason is they don’t want people to see Trump’s numbers climbing again – not part of the narrative.
I think Biden and co mean “healing” in the way that the inquisition meant “saving” just before burning heretics at the stake.
Yes. Full confession required. The Antifa fascists would have no problem with torturing opponents to get the confessions, Mao style, but thankfully were not quite there yet.
Yet…
All of that looting rioting and burning down Democrat controlled cities sure seems to have stopped quick…
The weight and foulness of the arse pressing down on the face of democracy are overwhelming. If the Dems and their allies get away with this, the postdemocratic age has begun.
Google doesn’t seem to have got the memo about censoring Benford’s Law. Interestingly, high on the search engine results is an academic paper on the history and applications of the law from no less than Imperial College London: home of Ferguson and his dodgy mathematics.
Oh do sop the traditional right-wing whining and whinging when things don’t go your way.
It was Republicans voting against Trump that was a major difference, because they didn’t want another four years of the Baby Satsuma’s narcissistic idiocy on their consciences.
Biden won. Get over it.
Here’s the reply from my MP (Greg Clark) to an email I sent him last week. It demonstrates exactly how Boris and all MPs who voted for the second lockdown swallowed unquestioningly the scare-mongering propaganda from Witless and Unbalanced (“the country’s most senior expert advisors” …seriously?) and the NHS bloke. Disgusting, but sadly predictable.
Thank you for your email.
I do understand – and share – your concerns about the impact of new restrictions that came into force from today to 2 December.
As Chair of the Science and Technology Select Committee of the House of Commons I questioned both Sir Patrick Vallance, the Chief Scientific Adviser, and Professor Chris Whitty, the Chief Medical Officer, on this on Tuesday afternoon. You can see a video of the session here or read the transcript here.
Both Sir Patrick Vallance and Professor Whitty confirmed that their assessment – and their advice to the Prime Minister – was that unless these measures were taken, the capacity of NHS would be overrun by the beginning of December (even assuming that all spare capacity was used up and planned operations cancelled to make way for Covid patients).
Faced with an assessment from the country’s most senior expert advisers and by the NHS that hospitals would very soon not be able to cope, and with the prospect that sick people would be turned away from hospital, I don’t believe that any Prime Minister could have refused to take the steps he was advised were necessary to prevent it. That is why I voted for the new restrictions.
However I think a number of things are essential for the future. One is that these restrictions are removed as soon as they can be. They expire automatically on 2 December and cannot be automatically rolled over. The second is that we must have much more transparency about the analysis that led to these predictions being made, and a greater ability to scrutinise and challenge it in advance of it being used to drive decisions.
In both respects, I will continue as Chair of the Science Committee and as your MP, to do everything I can to ensure that as we deal with the consequences of the virus we minimise the infringements of our freedoms and the damage to people’s livelihoods for the remaining course of this pandemic.
With best wishes
Greg
To be fair Liz, I think he is providing cover for Boris by laying the blame at the hands of Whitty and Vallance. I think they all need to go – advisers, Boris and Cabinet. Once one goes, they probably all go, so it is now just a question of who is first in my view.
I agree!
Johnson won’t be going anywhere, unless he resigns, because no one else could possibly want the job at the moment, and if they did they would need sectioning.
I think he will resign by the end of the year. He is a coward, and once he has exhausted all avenues of blaming others for his own incompetence and cowardice, he will run away. He is only hanging around to say ‘at least I did Brexit’, but even that is looking questionable.
did you watch the Downfall parody on Saturday? it goes to this point..
god, you people cheer me up. Here you all are, having a thoughtful and amusing conversation about the appalling PM. Such a tonic in my day.
Greg Clarke cannot but know that none of the government’s coronavirus measures are based on scientific empirical evidence. His Committee has been told this again and again by the government’s advisors. For example, on 22 May 2020, Professor Yvonne Doyle of Public Health England, when asked for the scientific basis for the two metre social distancing rule, replied: “The precautionary principle.” That was it: mere wishful thinking; no science, no evidence.
You’re assuming the fuckers stay awake during these committees, Steve.
I have watched many of these and I watched the one of 22 May and he was definitely awake. In fact, he was the one who asked Professor Doyle for the scientific basis of the two metre rule and when she provided her three word answer, he moved on as though the question had been answered. He is not asleep, he is complicit.
Prof Robert Dingwall said “it was conjured up out of nowhere”.
Vaccine news on the same say as the GCHQ disinformation news
LOL
How opportune!! The US Elections are supposedly over with a win for Dementia Joe and hey presto a miracle vaccine that protects 90% of the population that isn’t affected anyway!
I feel sorry for the anti-vaxxers at GCHQ.
As they are very bright kiddies, it’s unlikely there won’t be at least one or two who have looked into vaccines properly.
I’ve heard that there are hoards of Russian trained, mutant virus infected mink in Viking helmets currently swimming across the North Sea to kill us all. It’s ok though we have llamas to fight them off. Hooray! Sorry, getting delirious. This prison life is driving me mad.
I have received 5 more replies from the 38 MPs whom I emailed to thank for voting against the second lockdown, in addition to the 4 replies previously received. Bear in mind that I stated that I didn’t necessarily expect a reply as they are not my MP, so credit to them for replying. For Esther McVey and Sammy Wilson their assistants replied saying that my message would be passed to the MPs. Other replies are from Richard Drax, Stephen McPartland, and Sir Charles Walker. I’ll quote the last of these in full.
“Thank you so much for taking the trouble to write to me with your kind comments and thoughts about the challenges we face.
If there is one silver lining from all of this, it is that I no longer take for granted all the privileges and freedoms I mistakenly thought were mine by right.
Yours,
Charles”
Vaccine from Pfizer allegedly 90% efective.
So, daily ‘covid deaths’ would fall from 250 say to 25.
However, even when ‘covid deaths’ were at 25, there was no abandonment of masks and anti.social distancing.
In act, masks were introduced only after the events of Spring were over.
Dr Scott Gottlieb, former head of FDA and non-exec at Pfizer, just said still likely not available widely until end Q2/start Q3 2021. A lot can happen between now and then, and he is still expressing some caution.
though we do not know the conditions under which the claimed efficacy is nullified. No evidence that those with vulnerabilities would not fall within the 10%, so maybe no reduction in deaths at all.
Unfortunately the vaccine does not cure old age end of life frailty – so the weekly death numbers won’t change
But the corporate media reporting will change.
the reports were of initial findings from phase 3 testing. They definitely were not. Phase 3 and 4 have the 44,000 people in the tesrs. These results were from phase 2 and consisted of ‘in total’ 94 injections. What is unsaid is that half of these were injected with the so-called vaccine and half with a placebo. So 47 people were tested. At the initial part of those test there was a 90% success against the test criteria, this is not immunity but a mild recovery from mild symptoms. Even then the report quickly qualifies itself by saying things could change over the weeks of the test.
You would think, reading headlines in the papers that a cure had been found. That is very very far from the truth.
Hi peyrole. You have misinterpreted the results.
Vaccine “efficacy” is measured in terms of reducing symptomatic COVID-19. The trial count has reached 94 “cases”, presumably people who have tested positive in the trial. The trial itself has enrolled many many more than this but they have had to wait all this time to see the 94 total cases. If its 90% effective I would guess that this means 85 cases seen in the placebo arm and less than 5 in the treatment arm. Final trial analysis will be carried out when the entire trial has seen 164 “cases” across the two arms. \The primary endpoint of the trial is only “reduction in symptoms”. We dont yet know how good it is at reducing severity of cases and reduction of infection.
One key issue with the vaccine from Pfizer is the temperature at which it must be stored. Not sure what it is exactly but put it this way its cold. Will make distribution/supply chain a little more complicated
I don’t think any of the vaccines were tested to reduce deaths or infections, just to make mild cases milder?
“Vaccine from Pfizer allegedly 90% effective.”
Err … how would you know without a minimum of 3-years field testing by rigorous RCT?
So our clown PM and his two ronnies of doom are doing a 5pm press conf .
all seems a bit convenient a few days after the walking corpse “won” the US Election.(as yet unconfirmed).
Anyway, thank you to anyone who wants to watch and report on these morons.
Attention seeking to add to all their other character flaws
Today? Please no. I thought they were only allowed out on Tuesdays?
Don’t think somehow it’s got anything to do with the USA Election. I think it’s about the vaccine or more fabricated graphs of gloom and doom to increase the hysteria. There won’t be any good news anyway.
Look on the US bright side – at least the other mouldering corpse was put back in his coffin – despite whinging loudly ”Snot fair!’.
Today from gloom merchant Drakeford:
The first minister added: “This weekend we passed yet another grim milestone as Public Health Wales recorded its 2,000th death. This is a truly terrible virus, it hits us hardest where we are most vulnerable – in our love for family and friends. People are being taken before their time, families are losing parents, children brothers and sisters.”
How many children have died in Wales from CV-19? The short answer is probably none. Anyone have any stats to prove this?
Everyone is someone’s child, including ninety year olds in care homes, under virtual arrest, denied access to relatives, social interaction, the outdoors and medical attention.
Dungford has certainly hit us where it hurts most. It’s illegal for us to see our family and friends.
“People are being taken before their time, …”
Sure they are.
Life expectancy, Wales, male: 78.3 years
Life expectancy, Wales, female: 82.3 years
Average age of people who have died with COVID: 82.4 years
1999 deaths is A-Ok.
2000 deaths, woah, grim grim grim, milestones everywhere, etc etc.
I think this website have published some figures for Wales? In any event, I don’t know what he’s on about All Cause Mortality?
If a genuine belief, the ignorance and sheer stupidity is amazing. Does he really not have any grasp of the number of deaths that represent the normal level of mortality? You wouldn’t give such a bozo charge of a wheelbarrow, let alone a nation!
i am sure there must be some 90 year old who has lost a 70 year old child .
although i dont think that is what he is implying
So how do politicians get out of this fiasco smelling of roses? They keep banging on about the imminent arrival of a vaccine (it could be a placebo as it doesn’t matter). They roll out the vaccine and turn the sensitivity down on the PCR testing and hey presto, the testing is remaining the same but cases are reducing, so the vaccine is working and aren’t we marvellous. (The sheeple will fall for it).
But then I could be a tin foil hatted conspiracists.
Plus exempt the “vaxxed”, even just not testing healthcare staff would mean 1000s less daily “cases”.
The testing companies wouldn’t like that!
Record all post vaccine “cases” as seasonal flu. Job done.
I think it’s a possibility but I have not believed for a long time that there is a genuine wish to return our liberties, other than among those who voted against lockdown 2 and perhaps a few others who have yet to find their spine.
By the time they roll out a vaccine of any type or efficacy, I fear that the country will be in such a terrible state that ‘they’ will want to keep everyone on a tight leash.
I think there is little doubt that there is a conspiracy even if it just one within the inner circles of cabinet, SAGE etc to cover up their lies, blunders and vanity
I don’t think you are. I think you’re quite right. And I normally avoid conspiracy theories like the plague.
The coming economic destruction of the economy will dwarf anything they have done up to now.The vaccine is not the panacea but the gateway to our new world of totalitarianism.
The paper cited under “Stop Press 2” is talking about an antibody test kit. The moonshine tests are also pretty hopeless according to MTEG in Manchester as reported by the Guardian but it’s a different sort of test. The moonshine ones are PCR but the innovation is they don’t need all the heating up and cooling down again of regular PCR tests so are faster. They’re looking for fragments of viral RNA not antibodies (which are part of an immune response that you might have if infected).
idk if anyone is still reading this… but a correction to this. They are using all kinds of new tests in Liverpool including one that uses antibodies in the test kit to detect antigens in the sample (which I would expect to false positive on other HCoVs potentially).
Just emailed all the MPs who voted against mockdown last week.
So far, lots of auto replies and a couple that bounced.
However, I got these replies within half an hour:
Thank you for your email and support.
If you would like to read my full statement regarding my vote against the second lockdown I have attached the link for you :- https://www.politicshome.com/thehouse/article/i-cannot-support-another-lockdown-which-divides-us-we-should-give-the-tier-system-a-chance-to-work
Best Wishes,
Stephen
Stephen McPartland
Thank you for your email which is much appreciated.
We battle on!
My warm wishes to you.
Richard
Richard Drax
Thank you for your email and for your kind words of support.
Yours sincerely,
Steve
Steve Baker MP
Besides thanking them, I also want to thank the Sceptic who very kindly provided all their contact details yesterday. Very sorry I can’t remember who you were but ou saved me a lot of time!
I’ll forward the list in a separate post and also ask Toby to make the list easily available.
Do give these guys some encouragement. It didn’t take me long.
full list would be appreciated
Just posted it. Full of links so waiting for approval.
See Doubting Dave’s list at:
https://dailysceptic.org/2020/11/07/latest-news-186/#comment-234708
**Katharine Huggins is the address for David Jones.
Julian Lewis (Independent) doesn’t accept email.
From his website (https://www.julianlewis.net/):
Contact Julian by writing to him at:
3 The Parade, Cadnam, Hampshire SO40 2NG
Telephone: 023 80 814 817
From abroad: + 44 23 80 814 817
[Please note: (i) constituency correspondence is not carried out by email;
and (ii) it is helpful if you include a telephone number, when writing.]
Have any of my fellow sceptics heard the report of some car insurance companies stating that if you have an accident whilst driving “without a valid reason during lockdown” that they will not pay out?
Testing your eyes is fine presumably?
or attend the support group of up to 15
I hadn’t heard that before. But presumably the insurance company would have to provide a list of reasons they consider to be valid to implement this.
They should rather not pay out if the driver had a mask on whilst driving.
Absolutely.
Sounds impossible to implement. File under the ‘you can’t leave the country’ category.
Is ‘going somewhere’ a valid reason?
Apparently not.
I think it’s propaganda to make you stay at home,but I wouldn’t put anything past insurance companies trying to wriggle out of a claim.
Actually managed to shake the tree with my e-mail about no answer in 3 weeks so they have no science.
The Doctor who is a Councillor and in charge of the Staffordshire County Council Health and Wellbeing Committee has replied with:
“Dear Mr Canning
I’m afraid you are addressing your ire to the wrong person.
You clearly disagree with much of HM Government’s policy for management of the Sars-cov-2 pandemic, including use of viral PCR testing, as well as the second national ‘lockdown’, as well as with the official statistics. I suggest you take this up with the Secretary of State of Health and Social Care.
I don’t think it would be a good use of either of our time to enter into further correspondence. ”
What cop out, no defence, no answers, no attempt to justify anything but “blame the big boys, not us”.
Remind him of his duty of care. Following orders is no defence.
Was in the 2nd e-mail along with what Articles of the various Human Right Charters they are breaking so I’ve already told him but that is the excuse they will all try and use.
What IS his job FOR again?
err
Staffordshire County Council Health and Wellbeing Committee
REALLY? Wellbeing? lol, splutter, health and what….wellb….what REALLY?
Probably one of the worst responses I’ve seen
Now now, AG does his best !
Sent him a reply:
This will be my final missive on the subject as you are using the defence “I was just following orders” as a defence and this is not an acceptable defence morally, ethically or legally.
Nuremberg Principle IV.
The more that is found out about “covid-19” the less dangerous it is and it is now on par with “normal” influenza as stated by facts and figures from the CDC, WHO and the ONS as influenza does not and never has warranted any of the measures that have been put in place in the past 8 months worldwide.
Nor do lockdowns work as admitted by the WHO a few weeks ago and who requested that all Governments stop using them as a “tool” to control covid-19.
The science, facts and data that support this are easily found doing independent research away from Government “guidance” pages.
You use the word Doctor in your title.
In the Hippocratic oath that supposedly medical personal but especially doctors swear on qualifying are the phrases:
So you are ignoring all the scientific evidence that prove that lockdowns are ineffective as a non-pharmaceutical intervention.
So you are advocating, recommending and enforcing more restrictions and lockdowns that will lead to far more deaths from non-treatment of many other illnesses and complications while promoting the lockdowns just in case it might “save one life” or “save the NHS”.
The Hippocratic Oath the medical industry is so proud of now null and void.
Or in the Declaration of Geneva:
What is happening is certainly not “good medical practice”. Nor is the health and wellbeing of your patients your first consideration.
And most importantly:
When you read the Amnesty International report on what has been happening in UK Care homes and the incidents of GPs, doctors and hospitals refusing the residents care and medical treatment and locking them up for months on end without human and loving contact there was no respect for for human rights and civil liberties so again, this is a null and void part of an oath. It is bordering on crimes against humanity on a couple of different counts.
It is freely and easily available on the Amnesty International website.
When you read of all the suicides that are taking place, the people dying from treatment being withheld for many months when they could have been treated and saved if they had been seen and treated in a timely manner had the NHS not been shut down so it could concentrate on one disease to the exclusion of everything else this is not looking after the health and wellbeing of either your patients, your constituents or the population in general.
All this is easily and readily available and verifiable in the public domain.
Your public image of a caring profession is now in tatters with your oaths ignored and your advocating of measures that border on superstition, not scientific fact making it look as if this was the middle ages again.
Once again, thank you for your open and honest reply.
Yes, right on the money.
Voted against mockdown
Please write and thank them.
Adam Afriyie – adam.afriyie.mp@parliament.uk
Peter Bone – bonep@parliament.uk
Sir Graham Brady – altsale@parliament.uk
Steve Brine – steve.brine.mp@parliament.uk
Christopher Chope – chopec@parliament.uk
Philip Davies – daviesp@parliament.uk
Jonathan Djanogly – Jonathan.djanogly.mp@parliament.uk
Jackie Doyle-Price – Jackie.doyleprice.mp@parliament.uk
Richard Drax – Richard.drax.mp@parliament.uk
Sir Iain Duncan Smith – iain.duncansmith@parliament.uk
Marcus Fysh – Marcus.fysh.mp@parliament.uk
Chris Green – chris.green.mp@parliament.uk
James Grundy – james.grundy.mp@parliament.uk
Mark Harper – mark.harper.mp@parliament.uk
Gordon Henderson – Gordon.henderson.mp@parliament.uk
David Jones – Katharine.huggin@parliament.uk
Tim Loughton – loughtont@parliament.uk
Craig Mackinlay – craig.mackinlay.mp@parliament.uk
Stephen Mcpartland – Stephen@stephenmcpartland.co.uk
Esther Mcvey – esther.mcvey.mp@parliament.uk
Huw Merriman – huw.merriman.mp@parliament.uk
Anne Marie Morris – Annemarie.morris.mp@parliament.uk
Sir Mike Penning – mike.penning.mp@parliament.uk
John Redwood – john.redwood.mp@parliament.uk
Andrew Rosindell – Andrew.rosindell.mp@parliament.uk
Henry Smith – henry.smith.mp@parliament.uk
Sir Desmond Swayne – swayned@parliament.uk
Sir Charles Walker – Charles.walker.mp@parliament.uk
Craig Whittaker – craig.whittaker.mp@parliament.uk
William Wragg – william@williamwragg.org.uk
Julian Lewis – No e-mail address or constituency address
Paul Girvan – paul.girvan.mp@parliament.uk
Carla Lockhart – Carla.lockhart.mp@parliament.uk
Ian Paisley – ian.paisley.mp@parliament.uk
Sammy Wilson – barronj@parliament.uk
Sir Robert Syms – symsmp.office@parliament.uk
Derek Thomas – derek.thomas.mp@parliament.uk
Phillip Hollobone – Philip.hollobone.mp@parliament.uk
Steve Baker – steve.baker.mp@parliament.uk
The preliminary order of vaccine distribution in the UK was published by the Health Department in September:
Poor care home workers, mostly young.
This is beyond words awful
Prepare for a shortage of care home workers.
I’m in category 11, with a few years to spare.
So the question is, how long will it take for the merchants of death to process categories 1-10? And will this be long enough for the “side” effects of the vaccine to be exposed thereby bringing the whole programme to a grinding halt?
I am at the back of the queue with a good 30 years to spare and no health conditions. I imagine that my age group may even be advised against taking the vaccine given the risk/benefit balance for us, and to save doses for those who actually need it. At least, this would be the approach of any sane and ethical government…!
this would be the approach of any sane and ethical government
We’re in BIG trouble!
I’m in the category Fuck off with that shit you call vaccine and will never take one …Ever!!No ifs no buts, no
What is the likelihood that any (rushed) vaccine will be safe (never mind effective) for the old and vulnerable, for people with weak immune systems?
I am at the bottom of the list thankfully.
I am in group 5 – but regard myself as in group 12!
Good, I am at the back of the queue. Hopefully by the time they get round to us, we will have had a bit of time to assess side effects.
Does this mean that everyone over 80 has got to have it 10 times by the time the rest of the population has it?
I feel it my duty as a healthy person with a functioning immune system to donate my jab to someone who feels they may be more in need…
Ditto! – and I’m uncomfortably high on that list!
Very happy with my own immune system thank you, never had a flu jab, never will.
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4037?fbclid=IwAR25QsuL7xB6NxQf1hXRjghLRM9Rs4OQL0OgyZwZ2W_UlAry3XJdcTi2paY
the pop up table herein (Table 1 Characteristics of ongoing phase III covid-19 vaccine trials) specifically excludes immunocompromised patients from the trials, as well as pregnant and breastfeeding women, children and adoscents. I would imagine that most residents in a care home would be immunocompromised in some way wouldn’t you.
Basically the vaccine will only be used on healthy people who could fight the bloody thing off anyway!
“Basically the vaccine will only be used on healthy people who could fight the bloody thing off anyway!”
I think this is almost certainly right. I don’t see the point.
I thought NHS staff were first in line… have they refused?!
Covered by group 2 but I hope most will refuse
Unfortunately in fourth place…. I don’t see NHS staff listed, I thought they were always in the priority list.
It seems of the 9 who caught corona after the vaccine had been given the placebo, so in reality only 2 generally had it and an unknown number who would not have caught it anyway. Make what you can of the figures.
Good, by the time I get one the mink will have killed everybody
Hi all. I woke up with a daydream about getting away to red state America at some point until I remembered creepy Joe has “won” and will probably want the Australia/NZ model.
Noticed on a walk round that the nearby industrial estate is still active, completely different to LD1 when it was deserted.
Then this afternoon I find out the first “vaccine” has been announced. Guess that’s goodbye to my university place then, much of the zealously theatrical campus is now a fully NHS signaged distribution and testing site and no prizes for guessing where they’re going next with that.
They are going to turn it into a mortuary for all the vaccine victims?
Creepy Joe? https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2686724214921583&id=100007520917968&sfnsn=scwspwa
I’d be very surprised if the vaccine was administered to university students straight away. There will be limited quantities at first and these will go to health workers/the vulnerable. We will be the at the back of the queue, and I’m quite happy to remain there for 10 years at least.
100 years for me.
I noticed T-Cells being mentioned within the vaccine news. Yet not a peep last week when discussing short-lived antibodies. They are tying themselves in knots.
You are not supposed to remember what they said yesterday.
Oceania is at war with Eurasia.They have always been at war with Eurasia.
Orthodoxy means not thinking – not needing to think. Orthodoxy is unconsciousness.
They only mention it when it suits the narrative.
A lovely response from Charles Walker:
Thank you so much for taking the trouble to write to me with your kind comments and thoughts about the challenges we face.
If there is one silver lining from all of this, it is that I no longer take for granted all the privileges and freedoms I mistakenly thought were mine by right.
Yours,
Charles
Yes – got mine too. What a nice chap.
Ditto here
I’ve had a similar reply from him. I’ve also had replies from a number of other MPs, as users are reporting on here.
I would just say that if you haven’t already done so, it’s not too late to write to the 39 honourable MPs to offer thanks and support. It can not be easy being a fully paid-up, card-carrying member of the so-called “awkward squad” when the machinery is arrayed against you.
Incredible victory in making that Liverpool school urgently reverse its position!!!!! Well done Toby, UsForThem and all those who fought it. Nothing has given me more hope I’m a very long time!!
https://www.broadgreeninternationalschool.com/our-school/whilst-school-is-closed
So it is an “update” not a retraction, not an apology, not an explanation.
Indeed – but it is something. Children are at risk in so many ways at the moment. It’s chilling. Anything that helps!
Did you see this? Found it on the link
The ‘Deagel List’ which projects a population of 14 million for the UK by 2025 has updated its disclaimer:
“In 2014 we published a disclaimer about the forecast. In six years the scenario has changed dramatically. This new disclaimer is meant to single out the situation from 2020 onwards. Talking about the United States and the European Union as separated entities no longer makes sense. Both are the Western block, keep printing money and will share the same fate.
After COVID we can draw two major conclusions:
The Great Reset; like the climate change, extinction rebellion, planetary crisis, green revolution, shale oil (…) hoaxes promoted by the system; is another attempt to slow down dramatically the consumption of natural resources and therefore extend the lifetime of the current system. It can be effective for awhile but finally won’t address the bottom-line problem and will only delay the inevitable. The core ruling elites hope to stay in power which is in effect the only thing that really worries them.”
https://www.deagel.com/forecast
The detail for the 2025 projection has been removed when you drill into each individual country.
They used to have a further piece on there explaining in more general detail how they arrived at the forecasts.
I can’t find that right now.I may have archived it somewhere.
They basically attibuted the collapse in western populations (and GDP) to economic/financial decline with an acompanying collapse of welfare systems hitting an already vulnerable population, together with strife and civil disorder as divided populations start to fight to gain access to remaining resources.
The thing is, that in a finely-tuned just-in-time society such as ours, with little redundancy built in, once one thing starts going wrong all sorts of cascades o further negative effects are triggered.
We have seen more than a hint of that this year in lockdown.
Was taken off a little while ago for reasons unknown.
there’s bollocks and there’s total bollocks. I mean why cancel this?
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/coca-cola-christmas-truck-cancelled-coronavirus-b60178.html
BECAUSE THERE’S A DEADLY PANDEMIC GOING ON DIDN’T YOU KNOW!
If it saves one life
Mostly stuff we know, but a nice summing up, nevertheless. Just the ‘Introduction’ paragraph does it, really:
https://www.zoeharcombe.com/2020/11/sage-conflicts-of-interest/
via Simon Dolan.
Thanks Sam. This is potent information.
It is all about the money. Nobody cares about my or your health.
I only copied the 1st 2 points. read the rest.
Examination of the 20 key influencers on SAGE reveals the following:
More information on Vitamin D deficiency as primary risk factor of severe covid infection and death
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/11/09/covid-19-patients-vitamin-d-deficiency.aspx
Take at least 4,000IU vitamin D3 per day. Always take with Magnesium and vitamin K2.
My wife and I are in group 4 ( over 70’s) and (and it’s a big IF) this vaccine is rolled out, we will agree to have it because it will only be a placebo with no effect whatsoever, but if it will keep the sheep and collaborators happy, well so be it.
We have known the truth all along and when the history of this mass hysteria is written we will be vindicated.
Agreed, using the flu vaccine, that they were ‘short’ of.
Sadly that depends who writes the history: as you know, it is always the victors who write up any ‘war’!
I would not assume it’s a placebo and will resist having it.
That’s my hope as well.
Why risk the side effects, if you can end the pandemic simply by reducing the max. ct number of a standardized PCR test down to 24-30?!
Apparently, 30 is used by the NFL,
and 24 by Covid-free Australia….
They can and will then credit the vaccine/saline solution, of course.
Two days after Biden’s victory and a vaccine suddenly turns up? How convenient!
He has NOT won yet.
Only the media has called him as the winner.
Legally, that’s just as relevant as me calling it.
The media has to get everyone thinking that Biden is the ‘winner’ and that the election is a done deal. That way, Trump’s legal challenge appears petulant and the act of a sore loser if it fails; if it succeeds, it delegitimises his claim to presidency by making out that he has blocked the ‘rightful heir’ through some sort of sleight of hand.
No expertise in this area at all, but I am right that the Pfizer vaccine with the supposed 90% protection is an mRNA vaccine.
If that’s so, presumably that’s quite scary if they try mass vaccination with such a vaccine, as I understand no gene based vaccine has ever been approved.
I know Sucharit Bhakti has massive concern about mRNA vaccines.
Can anyone with expertise comment?
It is unclear how they calculated this alleged 90% (last year the flu vaccine was 17% effective). Vaccines are normally given to prevent the disease. However recently they came out and stated that the vaccine would only reduce symptoms.
Why would anyone get a vaccine with a lot of side effects including disablement and death to reduce symptoms that could be very mild?
I won’t touch an RNA vaccine that instructs the DNA in your cells. It is unclear how this message will be relayed in your cells and the type of damage that could be done. You cannot detox this vaccine. Once it is in your body it is there forever and will continue instructing your DNA.
How will you prove in 10 years time that your auto immune disease or cancer is as a result of this vaccine?
And, in partial answer to your question, it sounds as if Pfizer are to get immunity {to legal challenges}!
Thanks for that. I’d completely agree with what you say.
They may be able to check the short term safety of any vaccination, although that’s assuming that trials extend to older more vulnerable people. But of course for say a 2021 vaccination they can’t check the long term safety until after mass vaccination occurs, and some adverse affects may never be spotted. And with a completely new type of vaccine, a gene based vaccine, these long term risks will be even more unknown.
Here is the brilliant video by Prof Sucharit Bhakdi which I watched some time ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uo2KGiSjrw
In relation to vaccination against SARS-CoV2 he says “My sincere request to the population is: that the population must claim their right to an open discourse”
I’m not an anti-vaxer generally, but can’t see the net benefit to anyone under about age 70 without co-morbidities being vaccinated because of the low risk covid-19 poses. Of course if clear information is provided of the benefits and risks (albeit I fear there won’t be open discourse) that should be each individual’s right to decide.
That is exactly the point and problem.
Unfortunately, the moment people accepted the theoretical computer model concept of ‘herd immunity’ unquestioned as a fact, rather than as what it really is, we were in trouble as such- see Profs Gatti, Montanari and RKjrs CHD.
The vaccination of people not at serious risk of a pathogen and disease relies and is based upon solely on the acceptance of that theoretical model ‘herd immunity’, for which no hard medical evidence exists, as a fact.
94 infected people out of 40.000 participants.
They don’t tell us how many of those were vaccinated and how many were not- we have no idea what that 90% figure means and what it is based upon.
They don’t tell us the make-up of the two groups, whether they are comparable or not, and how strong the symptons were in either- note, the vaccinated still caught the virus, they just had no/fewer symptoms than otherwise, allegedly/uncontrollably really.
We don’t know anything about the side effects after the second dose, we will obviously know nothing for years about the longterm side effects, we know that half the people who got the similar Oxford vaccine suffered from neutropenia.
John Rappoport and Doshi/Toblin in the NYT had good articles on the flawed
design of those trials and on the likely resulting outcomes.
The write up for the vaccine says;
How is the vaccine expected to work?
BNT162b2 is expected to work by preparing the body to defend itself against infection with the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2. The virus uses proteins on its outer surface, called spike proteins, to enter the body’s cells and cause disease. BNT162b2 contains the genetic instructions (mRNA) for the spike protein and is covered in small fats (lipid particles) that prevent the mRNA from being degraded. When a person is given the vaccine, their cells will read the genetic instructions and produce the spike protein. The person’s immune system will then treat this protein as foreign and produce natural defenses — antibodies and T cells — against it. If, later on, the vaccinated person comes into contact with SARS-CoV-2, the immune system will recognize the virus and be prepared to attack it: antibodies and T cells can work together to kill the virus, prevent its entry into the body’s cells and destroy infected cells, thus helping to protect against COVID-19.
As I understand it this is different to the traditional vaccines which are inactivated virus, this is completely artificial and stimulates an immune response …………… hopefully!!!!!! I am worried that elderly vulnerable people may have an adverse response to this type of vaccine but I guess we will have to wait and see?
I would be more and most concerned about the effect these vaccines have on the young, on their reproductive capabilities and the damages they might create in their offspring.
The truth is, we have no way of getting to know that for decades.
As such, the chances are currently and over the bext decade+ an equal 33% for a positive (all offspring supermen/women), neutral and negative (infertile, all/many still-
born, all/many Down syndrome
etc.) outcome.
It could also be that only alike or only not alike vaccinated people c/should reproduce- we have no idea and no.othercway to find out than by letting it happen.
It doesn’t strike me as a good bet to take for them, in particular as they are not at risk of the pathogen and disease at all.
How can the vaccine have arrived 48 hours after Trump is gone ? Am alone in thinking something seems off on the timing. Although no doubt good news.
Yep – my thoughts within seconds of hearing the news!
{Not, of course, that Trump has yet gone – or even heard the provisional results pending legal challenges a-plenty!}
We’ll drink a drink, a drink
To Lily the Pink, the Pink, the Pink
The savior of the human race
For she invented medicinal compound
Most efficacious in every case
Trump’s not gone. he’s president until January 2020 regardless.
Now in the hands of the courts so it will drag out until December 14th at the latest which is when it MUST be decided upon.
There is still the option of using the 14th Amendment when evidence of the vote rigging becomes official on top of the upcoming court challenges.
Have a look here at some of the videos:
http://82.221.129.208/.va3.html – really good stuff on vote rigging
Use a VPN, if the blurb at the top somewhere does not give start “computer donations” delete everything after the 8 and hit enter
Trump’s not gone. he’s president until January 2020 regardless
Why we are going to be locked down until march!!!
Good news? Not sure about that. Myself and my loved ones will resist taking it as I do not trust the safety and it may do more harm than good. We may be coerced, but even if not I would not want people to be conned into having it on the false assumption we face a deadly threat.
just so convenient and suspicious methinks, President Elect Biden = the Pied Piper.
How can it be good news for us? Most of us here agree it’s unnecessary in line with Dr Mike Yeadon.
It will mean social exclusion for the rebels who refuse a Health Passport. We will have to ‘Stay home, Stay Safe’ for the foreseeable future.
Not sure why you think it’s good news?
Shouldn’t we have the Liverpool test results by now? I thought they gave a result in 10 seconds flat or something like that. So how many people “tested positive”?
How many would you like sir?
Independent Art Cinema changeable text sign that usually lists the films on offer reads
“So long
and thanks
for all the
fish”
Interesting data from the vaccine trial.
Over 43,000 people were on the trial, half of which received a placebo. Out of 43,358 people only 94 have develop Covid symptoms, 85 of which received a placebo.
Which means that over the time of the trial (about 2 months) the symptomatic infection ratio has been 0.4% even in those receiving the placebo.
I don’t trust any of these numbers, and strongly suspect that these trials are a sham.
So what vaccine were they using for the placebo which triggered the CONVID symptoms?
i recall a few weeks ago the “doctor” on the Kyle tv show saying she was on one of the trials (i think the oxford) and saying the placebo was a meningitis vaccine
So, we already have a vaccine eh.?
Two items:
One year ago nobody had heard of covid-19.
This is apparently the first case ever of a vaccine against a coronavirus.
..and this vaccine is late to the party – Russia and China have each got a vaccine already.
I
It’s very poor evidence on which to proclaim success. The numbers are far too small.
Also what about all those pesky asymptomatics who are supposedly driving the epidemic and slaughtering grannies in their thousands?
Here is from the European Charter:
Article 3
Right to the integrity of the person
1 – Everyone has the right to respect for his or her physical and mental integrity.
2 – In the fields of medicine and biology, the following must be respected in particular:
So they are talking shite if they say compulsory vaccinations etc are in line with the ECHR.
On my news website: “Although this new vaccine is 90% effective, etc,etc,etc, it looks like masks and social distancing will be with us for some time yet”: WHY????
Because this is about control, not health.
The vaccine will either be a placebo or something much, much more sinister. Either way, it will make no difference to the occurrence of respiratory diseases, so all the regulations we have lived under in 2020 are here to stay, indefinitely.
All part of the agenda to control us and take our rights. Majority of people are to dim to realise. This is normal, plebs don’t know it.
Covid and the vaccine is a Trojan horse.
It won’t be widely available until Q2/Q3 next year, by which time, if we keep circulating and infecting each other, there will be no need for it. Cue, dollar and pound note signs flash past Big Pharma on the way to the drain.
Here’s hoping…
Because it’s going to take about a million years to get everybidy jabbed, three times over. By which time the virus will have passed to earthworms, cabbages, giraffes, goldfish and garden gnomes and will have mutated off the end of the scale.
Anyway, zombies like having no faces.
Just seen this in the Spectator daily COVID update:
“GCHQ is launching an offensive cyber-operation to counter online anti-vaccine propaganda spread by hostile actors. Russia has so far been linked to widespread proliferation of disinformation.”
‘hostile actors’?
Mel Gibson?
And, of course, George Looney.
So anyone who is anti-vaccine is automatically pro-Russian.
This was the constant refrain against Brexit voters. For a while there were hundreds of trolls on the Daily Telegraph comments pages all saying the same thing. On this they were transparent to most readers but….. BUT
when these same trolls used the same ‘funded by the Russians Rosie?’ taunts on the subject of vaccination or ‘climate change’, then many readers joined in with the trolls ….. blind to being manipulated. Depressing.
President Putin, I hereby invite you to become the President of the U.K. Please stop this insanity and bring your anti-vax views with you.
The average age of the coronavirus deaths is over eighty. Life expectancy is under eighty. The virus is having zero effect on mortality. In order to deal with this threat, the government has violated our rights, decimated the economy and instituted government by ministerial decree.
Ivor Cummings mentioned a study outlining the cost vs effectiveness any vaccine could have. Based on NICE methodology. It showed that this was massively outside the realms of what would be a good investment of public money.
Anyone have a link to this?
Yes, but they have had a whale of a time, so it’s all good.
Bunter’s script for the 5 pm press conference:
“These two here admit they gave me wrong information, and I shouldn’t have imposed another lock down. I’ve seen over the weekend just how much people don’t want it, so I am cancelling it right now”.
Or something.
“Vaccine vaccine vaccine vaccine vaccine vaccine“.
Yep. He will trumpet its success based on 94 cases in healthy young people. Does he never learn?
Nah, dodgy graphs showing the flattening but a predicted acceleration that the lockdown will stop thus saving the NHS
Be nice wouldn’t it or “these 2 sacked, SAGE disbanded, me and handwank resign with immediate effect, all coronavirus legislation revoked back to normal everyone”
But more likely “lies,lies data, lockdown forever, your own fault, vaccine vaccine NHS NHS heroes vaccines forever”
Ahhhh! I liked your first paragraph though, bigly!
I will therefore preform a sepuku on the garden lawn as I cannot live with this shame anymore. Please forgive me, only blood can wash what I have done to this country”
Please God , make that happen.
Apologies for all the capital letters —
1. 2020 PENTAGON STUDY: FLU VACCINES INCREASE RISK OF CORONAVIRUS BY 36%
2. 2018 CDC STUDY: FLU SHOTS INCREASE RISK OF NON-FLU ACUTE RESPIRATORY ILLNESSES (ARI) IN CHILDREN.
3. 2011 AUSTRALIAN STUDY: FLU SHOT DOUBLED RISK OF NON-INFLUENZA VIRAL INFECTIONS AND INCREASED FLU RISK BY 73%.
4. 2012 HONG KONG STUDY: FLU SHOTS INCREASED THE RISK OF NON-FLU RESPIRATORY INFECTIONS 4.4 TIMES AND TRIPLED FLU INFECTIONS.
5. 2017 STUDY: VACCINATED CHILDREN ARE 5.9 MORE LIKELY TO SUFFER PNEUMONIA AND 30.1 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO HAVE BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH ALLERGIC RHINITIS THAN UNVACCINATED CHILDREN.
6. 2014 STUDY: INFLUENZA-VACCINATED CHILDREN WERE 1.6 TIMES MORE LIKELY THAN UNVACCINATED CHILDREN TO HAVE A NON-INFLUENZA “INFLUENZA-LIKE-ILLNESS” (ILI). .
childrenshealthdefense.org/news/vaccine-misinformation-flu-shots-equal.. (2020) The influenza vaccine in children increased the risk of acute respiratory infections caused by a group of viruses other than influenza, including coronaviruses, five times. Figures from the European Union show a correlation between influenza vaccine and coronavirus deaths. The countries with the highest death rates – Belgium, Spain, Italy, the UK, France, the Netherlands, Sweden, Ireland and the US – had vaccinated at least half of their elderly population against influenza. childrenshealthdefense.org/news/is-there-a-relationship-between-influe.. (2020)
Look out the window Victoria. See that tiny motionless thing in the sky to the North ? That’s a GCHQ drone, that is.
South Korea recently suspended its flu vaccine programme after dozens of deaths. The BBC reported this as: deaths not linked to flu vaccine. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-54655278
It’s a phenomenon known as viral interference. Ditto for bacterial interference… Incidentally, the drive to eliminate all bacteria is actually harmful because there are bacteria that are symbiotic with humans and those bacteria actually have evolved to secrete substances that are poisonous to bacteria that are harmful to humans… but that’s another story…
The primary school 50 yards down the road from me has been sane up to now. But they’ve lost the plot today. It seems parents are having to queue up suitably distanced and bemasked all down the street and round the corner to individually collect their little ones. Bonkers.
And once they’ve picked up their children the parents are all bunching up, strolling and chatting as normal. So why obey the school’s edict in the first place? Double-bonkers.
My kids school tried to introduce this on Monday last week.
Well, its been largely ignored except by around 10%. I have my exemption card in my pocket and look forward to being challenged.
The most annoying thing is my daughter – 4yr old – has been already annoyed with me for not wearing a mask as is the propaganda. But she now knows more about personal choice than before. That life lesson will never be reiterated enough.
Get yourself an exemption card on Etsy and fight back.
Hello, same thing at my daughters school. The Headmistress saw me picking her up without a mask and asked me why I don’t’ have one on. t told her I’m exempt and just turned around. I also explained to my daughter that people wearing masks are silly , and don’t know what they are doing. She is 6 but very matured and a bit of rebel (like her dad) . Just waiting for the phone to ring when she tells a teacher they are silly to wear a mask…hahaha…fuck them
I saw what must have been a 3 year old with his mother go into Tesco muzzled up the other day.
I nearly cried. That poor kid. Pure child abuse.
If they are “suitably distanced” what is the point of the masks; if they are masked, what is the need for social distancing?
Exactly! It’s all of a piece with the unscientific (or anti-scientific) quasi-mediaeval panic. It seems our society has just regressed 600 or 700 years in 6 or 7 months.
Back in 1347 a novel disease arrived in Europe. It was terrible, with death rates up to ninety percent. There was fear and panic. The king of France called upon Europe’s most learned experts to study the disease and find solutions. The experts found that washing made one susceptible and they recommended people not wash. As a result, the people of Europe avoided washing like the plague for centuries.
Says it all.
Many reports over the last few days of schools extending the ‘rules’.
Note that this is a classic Common Purpose strategy, motto: Leading beyond authority.
Parent should challenge.
Everybody’s at it. The classic one was the idea that exercise was only permitted for one hour per day during lockdown 1, which was never the case, yet almost everybody believed it.
not a single mask at our primary school.
Witnessed it today at one of my local schools. But most parents were in the queue without masks, I think only the American parents (we have a large airforce base here). It was all down the street, and I was shocked even round the corner and along the next street!
I asked how long does it take, and was told once the queue moves it is not long, and yes, just then they moved and most disappeared round the corner within 30seconds.
Just been down to my local pharmacy to collect my blood pressure tablets (really need those at the moment hi…). They have a two in store at a time policy. While waiting the chap in front was trying to collect his asthma inhaler which he had ordered a week ago from his GP – he was unmasked for very clear reasons. It hadn’t arrived, he had already spent lots of time hanging on the phone to the GP trying to get it sorted. He ended up with an emergency issue one, which it seems to be a way out of this dilemma, but the pharmacist commented they had exactly the same problems trying to get through to surgeries on the phone.
Fortunately my own pills were waiting for me.
Yes – but don’t let the authorities know that you have been here!
High blood pressure becomes worse when people are chronically dehydrated
Yes emergency supply used to be 5 days supply only but was increased to 30 days during the swine flu panic demic. You don’t normally give emergency supply when the dr is open but obviously the dr is technically open at the moment but not really open. I hate the way wankcock lauds pharmacy when he/government has decimated it through margin cutting for the last 20 years.
Just when I thought things couldn’t get worse, I hear Brian Blessed has written and narrated an audio book titled “Wear a Bloody Mask”.
Apparently, “.. the story aims to share a public health message with adults about the importance of wearing face coverings in order to stop the spread of coronavirus.”.
This has really depressed me for so many reasons.
He’s always been involved in fictitious works of art, though, hasn’t he ?
Do you think Brian has read the research literature on face masks and respiratory viral infections?
What a waste of that voice
Alexander Armstrong does a brilliant impression of BB though.
Yes, it’s bloody nauseating.
Like I say, a brilliant impression.
Brian Blessed like Cilla Black and Esther Ranson has become a caricature of himself.
”Flash Gooooordon!!” Oh fuck off you twat.
Gordon’s aliiivvvve
‘…and if you want to keep him that way, wear a bloody mask!’
(‘Was I alright darling?’)
is Gordon still alive ? or has he succumbed to covid ?
I wonder if the engineer asked him to remove it while recording?
Let’s co-write one called Why you should not wear a bloody mask.
I’m in!
I don’t think I’m ever going to fully recover from the last few months. I still cannot believe people are happy to stick a cloth over their faces.
If I ask why they think masks aren’t routinely prescribed in winter months against flu no one knows. If I mention how minuscule the droplets are they go blank.
The willingness to follow this nonsense is unnerving. I’m starting to unravel myself.
Hi Marialta. If it’s any consolation I felt the same way myself last week – felt the foundations of my sanity shifting slightly. I took a few days off from reading the news and coming on sites like this. I recommend it – you need time off from this sort of thing. After a couple of days you will feel better.
I actually laughed at this, the mask cult’s nearing self parody now…
My brother in law who has been tested positive for CV and is “OK” just told my wife that everyday the “authorities” ring him up,sometimes up to 3 times a day, each lasting around 30 minutes asking the same questions over and over again; who have you been in contact with, blah,blah,blah.
Anybody would think that they have nothing better to do, wouldn’t they?
Right when the whole stalk-and-trace started, I said that STI clinics can barely trace all infections, yet some cretin thinks they could do it on a large scale with, what effectively is, ‘flu…
That is totally overkill – maybe they are trying to make up the numbers.
Not sure why he continue to answer the phone though?
The “authorities” would send the “heavy boys and girls” round (We know where you live)
NOT JOKING!!
Imagine being pretty ill, but not in hospital, and having to deal with that shite? You’re running a temperature, aching all over, coughing and some jobsworth wants to take up 30 minutes of your time to interrogate you over the phone.
What more can you say?
Good point but TBF if people were that ill they wouldn’t be able to travel to a test centre to get a test in the first place.
Toby wrote a piece explaining how this works from an insider. It was about 3 weeks ago.
I’ll check it out.
And they wonder why people aren’t rushing to tell Big Brother that they just coughed…
All that and “brain fog” is apparently a symptom.
Tell him to just put the phone down!
I think the thinking of a large proportion of people goes like this:
All three of the above points are diametrically opposed to the truth.
Thereby ending Western civilisation.
Yes.
Bullshit wrapped inside bollocks, wrapped inside a second layer of bullshit.
Well, it’s the info everyone has been fed for 8 months, so stands to reason that it is what most will believe.
I agree
If/when that doesn’t happen, many will be very disappointed
I can’t wait to see the looks on their faces….
Those bovine, zombie black holes will be just that little bit more dead than usual.
“Thinking”
That’s it. Vaccines are magic and Bunter and his London Pals won’t want to hold on to total rule by fear for a minute longer. Huzzah!
With a “vaccine” it’s over. Not even a virtue signalling population can carry this bollocks on with a vaccine.
Until they are told that another vaccine will be needed due to viral mutations. And then another 6 months after that. And so on indefinitely.
Either that or it’ll be “to stop the next pandemic”.
Boosters were always on the cards. Once the money starts rolling in you bet it will be a yearly dose.
Correct!
I have just listened to the German excellent Corona ausschuss, a report from Holland. The government there are now going crazy, people very compliant. The speaker said exactly what you said, this is the common thinking.
But Reiner Fuellmilch also said it very well, the “idea” that this whole situation is about something bigger is just too scary for most people.
Going back a bit, when LD2 wasn’t being (officially) talked about, didn’t they advertise for someone to present press briefings “over the winter”?
So many people including the police do not know the current rules on Covid. The police are embarrassing.
the police don’t know the rules at the best of times what chance have they got with COVID.
Exactly, the barrister who all the stars use for their driving infringements has an almost 100% record of getting them off, even when they are likely guilty. He points to inconsistencies between policemen, their statement in court/witness statement vs their log book, chewing gum in court then saying they are not when asked.
90% effective? 100% on corpses.
90% effective for a viral disease that has a 99.9+% survival rate. So taking it reduces natural immunity.
Italy needs a second lockdown!!
Just as stupid as we are here then.
“It is difficult being a ruler today.
We at Genocide Incorporated have just the product that you as a harassed President or Prime Minister need.
Are your plebs starting to smile too much?
Are their awful children playing out enjoying themselves?
Is the economy refusing to collape as quickly as you would like?
Is informal society obstinately continuing, allowing your proles a modicum of joy?
You need Lockdown 2.0.
9 out of 10 despots say thy prefer Lockdown 2.0 for managing their serfs.”
No,just following the plan like us
Must have been ‘bounced’ into it.
Important message! Do not suffer in isolation. The law provides that you CAN SEE PEOPLE if you have a “reasonable excuse”. What could be a more reasonable excuse than you need mental health support (and you feel it would be better to see your mum/friends/siblings/grandkids than put PRESSURE ON THE NHS. Do it! Do you think there is a judge in this land who would rule this unreasonable?! Do not live in fear! Go out with your face showing, your head held high and meet people for support. Your life matters!
The whole thing is voluntary, and has been throughout. If people ignore the stupid rules, it will collapse like a house of cards in a hurricane.
Thanks for pointing this out. Just going to get on the phone to invite a friend round- lonliness and isolation kills.
The law also allows one to go out for exercise. There are no time or frequency limits. Walking is exercise. So, one can go wherever one wants, whenever one wants, completely lawfully, as long as one walks there.
And one may drive the location one wishes to walk around. Mockdown.
This is just a business killer.
Correct.
All these rules remind of a novel by Hans Helmut Krist called Party Games. The hero joins the local Nazi party and enthusiastically interprets all the rules in a manner that appears to be completely ideologically sound but inevitably has the effect of disrupting everything and exposing Nazism to ridicule.
All it takes is a little imaginative interpretation.
I just stuck my neck out at work a bit. We just had a team retrospective. (The team I work with are totally brilliant people by the way).
I put up a “card” on the (virtual) board that went along the lines of “My mental health has taken a battering over the last few weeks. Not much seems to make sense any more and it has started to effect my work. Sorry if this is the wrong time or place to mention it”
This was received brilliantly. As a contractor, I thought this would be a “red flag” and I’d be “marched off of the premises” by now, but many people agreed that what is happening makes no sense and they are all struggling in their own little way. They thanked me for raising it as a point of discussion.
After mentioning a few things (like the fact that children’s clothes were not essential items together with women’s sanitary products in Wales), a few eyebrows were raised.
I went on to say that I wanted my liberties back. No one disagreed, no one said “we must wait for a vaccine”, the people who did speak echoed many concerns that I have.
I felt less alone among my colleagues after having this chat.
Well done, CBH.
Just a small point regarding the “graph of doom”, which is rightly referenced again today. The “not a prediction” prediction of 50,000 cases actually only applied to the count of October 13th: ie they took the count of Tuesday September 15th, and doubled it each week for 4 weeks, so…
3,105 x 2 x 2 x 2 x 2= 49,680
…however, we are (tomorrow) another 4 weeks on from Oct 13, so their (“not a”) prediction is that tomorrow’s “case” count – unmitigated – would be (… drum roll ..)
794,880!
So, miracle upon miracle, lockdown 2.0 is responsible for a saving of over 770,000 cases a day – well, it must be LD2, since the “veil of tiers” was presumed not to be working, was it not?
Furthermore, using the Chuckle Brothers’ assumed IFR of 0.7%, we should already be seeing over 5,000 deaths per day too.
Praise be … we are saved!
Hallelujah!
My university has had its library open since September which has been great for me because it’s given me an opportunity to leave the house and at least feel like I’m attending campus. Up until Thursday masks were not required when sat down. Had a rude awakening today when someone (could not tell if they were student or staff) tapped on my table and said “from last Thursday you need to wear a mask in the library at all times. It is to keep us all safe”.
I was the only one on that level at the time. This person was so willing to seek out the only person in the library potentially “exposing himself to such a terrifyingly dangerous virus” to chastise me completely unnecessarily.
I took a sip of my water, told him I was drinking and said I’d like to return to my work. I’m grateful I can still go to campus but the experience is completely hollow. Nobody dares speak to eachother anymore in fear of being reported. Going to the library is actually quite an enjoyable experience when you have friends to go with but they check on the door that you aren’t entering in groups. I’d prefer it closed to what it is in it’s current lockdown 2 state.
Why not just say: “I am exempt”?
I personally don’t like claiming exemption because I believe it makes the mask fanatics less tolerant to those with actual exemptions. I’d rather let those with exemptions use it when they are challenged because when a person like me claims exemptions it pisses the masker off and makes them less receptive to people claiming a real exemption in the future. My go to is taking an open bottle of water which I sip very, very slowly and this means I’m barely ever challenged because apparently, viruses don’t spread when you need to eat or drink.
I suspect your mass psychology insight may be flawed. There would be far more tolerance of people not wearing masks if they were more people not wearing them.
I am open to disagreement, my approach is just a personal thing that I’ve gathered from talking to acquaintances who are very pro-mask. When they see somebody without a mask they get irrationally angry because of the constant bombardment of propaganda they hear daily saying masks work. The best way I found to undo that was to argue them into a corner using the actual evidence we know about masks to make them question what they’ve heard in the news. Can’t be asked to do that with complete strangers though
Which is why one just says, “I am exempt.” Once said, end eye contact. End of conversation.
Of course – even before you get to the mask issue, there is the fundamental question :
“What the f. do you think you’re being protected from?”
… given the vanishingly low threat of SARS-CoV-2
Fuck the fanatics, hatred and contempt is all they deserve.
everyone can be exempt. the guidelines are vague so you can be as exempt as the most exempt of them. If masks distress you (it sounds as if they do from what you’ve said?) then you are exempt.
I disagree, I have a real hatred for the masks. They are based on awful evidence and some common sense arguments which don’t stand up to any empirical evidence.
So, for the good of my own mental health – I am exempt.
You should too. This is is simplest thing you can do, one challenge and you’ll then know there is no going back. You’ll know the feeling that you have stood your ground and will continue to do so as is your right.
You do not need to have asthma, COPD, whatever. You are exempt because you value your rational thinking and a lack of oxygen will impact that.
The bottle of water idea is very good. Cheers for that.
As soon as I get my snood, I’ll be starting a poster campaign. Next to the ‘Please wear a mask’ posters displayed at think pretty much all local supermarkets, I’ll post a small ‘Please don’t wear a mask’ response. I’ll probably do this after 11:00p.m. The text of the response will be:
“Please do not wear a mask.
1) Wearing a mask does nothing to protect me or others around me.
2) Wearing a mask signals that I am OK with government by diktat.
3) Government by diktat, which is responsible for the wear-a-mask requirement, is also responsible for untold suffering and for many thousands of preventable deaths.
The diktats which closed the NHS to pretty much all but Covid19 patients and which continue to reduce its capacity are responsible for this.
4) I do not support this and do not want it to continue,
5) So I will not wear a mask.”
Further suggestions or criticism would be very welcome.
Good idea but points 2-5 will not be understood by the general public. It would be better to mention how masks cause diseases to spread more easily by trapping germs around your face etc.
Like wearing a mask reduces oxygen to your brain.
Thanks. Yes. It needs more work so that it will be easy to understand. The argument shouldn’t be that difficult, but I’m finding it hard to make it concise.
It’s a would-be counter to the by now standard (it’s possibly a variety of Kafka trap) “You have a moral obligation to wear a mask to protect other people” .
“No. I have a moral obligation NOT to wear a mask to oppose regulations which have resulted in thousands of preventable deaths.”
I do feel strongly that I am under a moral obligation not to wear a mask: to show that I do not support these malignant policies.
This does make shopping quite tricky.
Wearer-centered reasons for not wearing – germ trap, skin rashes, marginal oxygen depletion, increased production of aerosol – are believable and perhaps fairly well established. But I’d say they’re not not coming at this from the angle required.
The angle I’m hoping to find is one that persuades, in a quick easy-to-understand way, that the moral imperative NOT to wear a mask is stronger than any seeming imperative to wear one.
The culture of masks is killing people. Indirectly, admittedly. But it IS killing people. Go along to get along? No! No mask! I do not have a mask, and although I could probably arrange to cover my face, I will not be intimidated into signalling support for regulations I despise.
But you have an actual exemption as allowed by law. Wearing the mask clearly causes you distress. Use your exemption.
“Nobody dares speak to each other anymore in fear of being reported.”
Which tells me that the transition into a totalitarian state is all but complete amongst the student age group.
Yes – much better to communicate ‘safely’ using a smartphone.
When all your data will be safely collected, monitored and stored.
Who knew a generation raised under the influence of social media would be so easily controlled by social media during a manufactured crisis.
Good point – certainly blows out of the water any notion of the democratisation of information.
Universities are the absolute worst. Bloody churches of covidianism, haven’t bothered with my campus since it re-opened and never will again. Bombing would be too nice for that wretched shithole.
Tell him to piss off and stay indoors if he wants to keep safe.
Going to the library is actually quite an enjoyable experience
Really? Seems to me that the reason for libraries disappeared when the internet came in. I always hated going to the library – it was a physical manifestation of everything I didn’t know! And you couldn’t talk to anyone else, and they always looked as though they were working hard, whereas I just wanted to go to the bar.
Even if you didn’t need the books, my campus library was once a nice quiet environment to do work in. One floor was a very good space for meeting other people. Now as with everything else university related, it’s a despicable, hellish shrine to all the great anti-covid arse carrots.
In normal times going to the library can be a social experience. You go with friends, there are areas you can sit where you can talk normally. I do a degree heavily focused on debate and argument so going with coursemates can be quite rewarding academically. I have never once taken a book from said library because its all online, but the study space is great if you need an escape from your house/have noisy housemates or you just need a change of environment to help focus.
The uni library is a social hub. You see people you know, run into people etc. No space for that in the new normal. All group tables removed, massive gaps between tables etc. The enjoyable social aspects of using the library have been taken away for “safety” and mandatory face masks at all times is the final nail in the coffin.
That’s interesting – our uni has had mandatory masks since reopening in August as well as mandatory T&T (which I have ignored).
Excepting the nicely ironic “exposing himself to such a terrifyingly dangerous virus”, would you be prepared to explain why you do not mask? I’ve tried to give my own reasons below, but they’re not quite punchy enough.
Did Bozo decide that we were going to have to suffer regular ‘briefings’ again come what may, or is today’s scheduled scarefest likely to involve any sort of announcement?
The briefings will continue until morale improves.
As I feared.
I see what you did there.
Am I right in thinking that the vaccine is less efficacious than my own immune system? 90% vs 99.8%?
Yep
..and 90% is impossible
For the last five or so days I have avoided going anywhere that I might encounter masked ghouls and doing that and reading the posts on here about lockdown defiance around the nation has made me feel a lot better and certainly more hopeful,well until this afternoon anyway.
I had to venture into my town centre to collect some medication from the pharmacy.After my experiences today I wish to nominate my town,Grantham Lincolnshire,as the potential ‘bedwetting’ (sorry,I can’t think of a more apt word) capital of England.
Apart from a handful of shop staff my wife and I were the only unmuzzled in every shop we went in,plenty of face nappies and visors out on the streets too,extreme hand sanitising in evidence everywhere.
The best was what I witnessed in WH Smith,a young couple was hanging around the passport photo machine so a member of staff went and asked them if there was a problem.A problem ?,you bet there was a problem.The couple weren’t happy touching the buttons on the photo machine until the staff member had wiped them with sanitiser !,she also had to sanitise the shop door handle for them.
A young woman drove past in a little blue car with some bastard blue gloves on earlier.
Ah yes,the magic blue gloves.In the summer I saw a woman with visor,muzzle and blue gloves that went above her elbows and she looked at me,without a muzzle,as if I had a problem
She probably bought the car to match the gloves
These type of people are beyond help, in my opinion they don’t deserve pity but derision.
Have faith, by Friday people will have had enough!
Starmer is getting more ridiculous by the moment
Do you think parliament has been replaced by a bunch of stand up comedians?
BBC approved comedians .. i.e. not funny ones
Right that’s IT!
Bloody hilarious
You can just see him doing the tongue action against his cheek!!!
Stop it Chris. I nearly suffered involuntarily hospitalization because I split my sides laughing! Never mind, I guess I just would have been another Covid death!
Me too!!!
He really is a fucking tool.
Do they still have lock ins at the Parliament bars.
“Revealed: How thousands of patients died of coronavirus they caught in hospitals”
So let me get this straight. Hospitals, with their infection control departments, mandatory wearing of PPE, including surgical masks, are seeing infections being transmitted within the Hospital setting? That defies all of their retarded logic. I can’t even……
Isn’t that leaving out all the very ill old people they discharged to care homes and certain death?
I assume so?
This has to be seen and understood by people, especially healthcare workers, surely?
It’s as spasticated as the Biden supporters who condemned Trump supporters for having large gatherings when they are now celebrating in mass gatherings across the US…………the propaganda has worked well with very many people. I’m reminded of a South Park song about Mormons…..https://youtu.be/621LzO0qWnU
Metro newspaper showing a urinal with a social distance of 6 ft of said urinal.
Sorry, at almost 72, I have a job “finding it” let alone p×ssing that distance.
In same paper there was a report of a public toilet with a warning sign saying ” For your own safety, please close the toilet lid”
I’ll leave my fellow sceptics to come up with some humorous replies.
Sorry, at almost 72, I have a job “finding it” let alone p×ssing that distance.
Brilliant! Comedy gold!!
It’s the truth CB.
I think I might have bored you all with this old piece of philosophy: Men go out of this world exactly the same as they came in :No hair, no teeth and a little cock.
Thanks for cheering me up! 1000x
No problem
Good one.
I liked Steve Tyler’s (Aerosmith lead singer) response in an interview years ago when asked how he would like to die.
His answer?
“To go out how I came in, naked, kicking and screaming between a woman’s legs”.
Good one.
Pretty much how John Entwistle – The Who- went out
I’m just waiting for the hair and teeth to go….
Don’t put yourself down.
I remember my dad (born 1920) telling me about when him and his mates had a contest about who could p×ss the highest up a wall and one of the girls won!
I can’t help a bit of self deprecating humour…
hahaha indeed I’m also 1 down 2 to go!
Dammit I’m 1 and 1/2 way there!!!
Due South from your Adams apple
Wait til the hand dryers switch on..then everyone will be pissing in the wind
Absolutely BRILLIANT!!
Bedwetters by definition don’t need to use a public urinal, so I don’t see why they need any notice.
Fuck em, piss on the floor…
That reminds me…
A 93 year old came into the pharmacy and asked for 7 viagra tablets. The conversation went like this:
“Of course, sir. No problem”.
“But”, said he, “can you cut them all into 4, please. That will give me 4 weeks’ supply.”
“Certainly. But we have to inform you that a quarter tablet won’t give you a viable erection”.
“I’m not interested in sex, at my age” quoth the 93-year old. “I just want it to project far enough to stop the dribbling on my slippers.”
An old joke (like me!) but still funny.
On that note… I’ll get my coat.
Good one.
I’m told that many a schoolboy has taken part in the Great Pee Up The Wall. Competition.Don’t know what the current record is, but according to the BBC the Great Pee is due to become an Olympic sport at the next socially distanced Zombie Olympics on Zoom.
As for the lid…
Close, close, close the lid,
‘Cause Covid in the bowl is hid.
What about Synchronised p××sing?
Involves serious social pisstancing
Though I didn’t witness it myself, at my primary school a boy once allegedly peed right over the wall. I don’t know if anyone was on the other side.
I think if there had been, you’d have known.
The Northern Ireland Assembly has answered the FOI request about justifying lockdowns using the PCR tests and it is:
“The Assembly Commission does not hold this information. “
Another answer the same to add to the growing pile.
You are doing everyone a fantastic service, keep hammering away!
Someone, somewhere must. Or do they?!
Not so far.
DHSC in my last FOI claimed they did but I appealed and ripped their answers to shreds they did not supply and evidence or science and expected em to just accept their word for it – nah, not going to happen.
I’ve had the same result in trying to get any info or MLAs to ask questions. As far as I can tell our local bunch of Public Health Czars just regurgitate whatever comes from SAGE as ‘evidence’ for their measures
UNN breaking new on now that senior Tories are demanding the lockdown ends before Dec 2nd due to evidence that virus peaked and levelled prior to lockdown.
Not verified by me but sounds plausible ??
Stephen Daisley: pandering to the SNP puts BBC reputation at risk
“nothing is quite a blatant as giving the First Minister, in effect, her own daily TV show”
He’s absolutely right. It’s pathetic.
What reputation?
Hi. Does anyone have a link to those two Facebook videos of Piers Corbyn being by police harassed outside Bromley court today?
I can’t believe that Fatboy is going to appear again with the Brothers Grimm.
These two clowns are now a busted flush after everything that happened last week.
Something to look forward to:
A meeting of West Berkshire Council’s Local Outbreak Engagement Board – Monday 9 November 2020 at 6:00 pm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZAxhczeAOg
QUESTIONS CAN BE SUBMITTED HERE IN ADVANCE:
pr@westberks.gov.uk
A Facebook live stream is here:
https://www.facebook.com/westberkshire/
It will be interesting to hear what this bunch of Uber-Dicklords are going to say.
Sent them this for what’s it’s worth even if I don’t live there.
In the Department of Health and Social Care Reference FOI-1240596 answer it stated that a positive PCR test means nothing medically.
The actual quote: “SARS-CoV-2 RNA means the RNA is present in that sample at that point in time. It does not mean that the patient has the novel coronavirus (COVID-19).”
It also linked to a document that in conclusion stated that the PCR tests being used are unreliable, had high false positive rates, could not be verified against an actual confirmed case of covid-19 and had not been verified in a medical or hospital setting.
PCR tests are also, as admitted by their inventors, not a diagnostic tool nor a quantitive test and should not be used as such in any circumstances.
My questions:
1 – based on the above statements how can a positive PCR tests be termed as a “case” medically?
2 – based on the above statements how can positive PCR tests be used as a justification for local lockdowns and other general restrictions?
3 – based on the above statements how can positive PCR tests be used as a justification for enforced self-isolation of individuals tested “positive”?
4 – based on the above statements how can positive PCR tests be used as a justification for enforced self-isolation of those who have been in “close contact” with an individual who tested “positive”?
5 – based on the above statements how can positive PCR tests be used as a justification for closing down or fining a business when customers have been tested “positive”?
good one. thanks for that.
BOMZ AWAY!
See you in the Gulag!
oops we both sent it…hehe
We’ll both be ignored then.
Excellent, very succinct
BBC gone into “hallelujah the vaccine is here” mode. stock market booming. we are all saved
They have finally stooped to promoting genocide. No surprises there.
Posted below, South Korean flu vaccine program is having a few teething problems..
https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20201023002700315
Not sure how many of you guys saw the video posted yesterday, just before the page changed, by 2 pence. It’s worth a quick watch.
Bloke tests apple juice on the new ‘awesome’ test that will save the world:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueUCV3XY3l0&ab_channel=HelloIrlandia
I think you will find that the overwhelming majority of the 37-40% of NHS staff absentees reported in today’s update are asymptomatic and perfectly capable of working in Covid wards. There’s a lot that can be said here, not least that the Nightingale hospitals are a waste of money if the system ensures there aren’t the doctors and nurses to staff them. The main point, though, is that the government is terrified that some NHS hospitals will not be able to cope with the normal winter demand. That would be political dynamite. The honest slogan is not “protect the NHS” but rather “Save the face of the NHS”. People are brainwashed into believing the NHS is the finest health-care provider in the world, and, indeed, the finest creation in the entire history of humanity. It’s not, as many objective comparisons show, not least that cancer survival rates in the UK are poor in comparison to those achieved in many other western countries. And the report, also on today’s update, that “that there is a very significant percentage of in-hospital infection with Covid” is truly shocking. People might be less sentimental about the NHS if they were properly informed of the mass collateral damage that is steadily accumulating as a result of the lockdown. I fear people are in for a terrible shock next year when the true cost is finally revealed.
And you can add collateral damage from the mass vaccination programme to the tsunami of sickness and death headed our way.
Yes James, the NHS are deliberately creating these staff shortages. Years of working with them has yielded much insight. They have, for years, been able to grab the public debate and sympathy by claiming they need more money blah blah blah. Well, under Blair’s government they got hundreds of millions. Not a penny spent on patients but on themselves. The way they grab the public debate and sympathy is by axing frontline services thereby affecting the public. They don’t care. They are shameless opportunists. What we have here now is that they have, to some extent, been rumbled by the figures and other negative press so, what to do next? Create a staffing crisis to get more money and more sympathy, a totally fabricated staffing crisis. They are well skilled in this. You never hear, do you, that the NHS has decided to make redundant 60% of their tiers of managers in order to secure frontline services. They are now being found out and wanting big time. Good!
More nonsense from Sky news.
“I’ve seen this reported twice. It is nonsense & appears to have been pushed to the media to discourage ppl from driving. In short, absent the commission of other offences, driving in any circumstan…”
A thread from @Francis_Hoar
https://threader.app/thread/1325821997557878784
Greetings from the Principality to our brothers in arms in England
We stand alone together
We few, we happy few, this band of brothers
(On a lighter note my OH has ‘bounced’ me into going to the pub, where one day we will toast the fall of the pig dictator)
Raise a glass for me please. It is my birthday after all.
Happy birthday, Sarigan. And greetings, Cecil B from a 1/8th Welshman
When the p.d. is bacon and chops, I’ll get in my car and motor up to join you at your pub. Hail the day!
PS.,Drake soup also to be served.
And we will pay a visit to the beautiful town of Tenby
Not until we’ve got rid of the foul Covid street furniture. It’s got a lot of sceptical stickers on it, though, courtesy of me.
Did a ‘naughty’ thing today.
Had a chat with the OH; she was telling me many of her colleagues are “really loving working at home”. I told her to remind them that, if they can do their jobs working on a computer in their bedroom or kitchen, SO CAN THE INDIANS!
She said it ruined the whole atmosphere in the office. LOL!
Indians are pretty expensive nowadays. Phillippines, VIetnam = much cheaper.
Thanks for the tip!
Yes and shipping industry was prescient. Phillipino crews the norm for years regardless of which particular flag of convenience is being flown.
Johnson was “bounced” because Johnson hasn’t taken the time to understand what is actually happening. Most MP’s are equally witless. The tragedy of course is the death count numbering in the thousands of non-covid illnesses which are a direct result of their lazy ignorance.
And another thing, we know there are thousands of non-covid deaths yet every time the MSM talk about excess deaths, it is always linked to the virus….. Orwell called this Doublethink.
And isn’t it odd how, when hospitals started being blamed for Covid infections, they suddenly discovered that ‘death with Covid’ wasn’t the same thing as ‘death from Covid’?
Are you Paul Weston from Liberty GB?
Paul Weston – How to destroy a country youtube video – Spot on
Puppet
He wasn’t “bounced” – that’s just a deflection tactic.
Who checks the “fact checkers”? Anyone can set up as a so-called “fact checker”! Who do these knob-heads think they are! This from the Telegraph live feed:
Fact checkers prepare for influx of Covid-19 vaccine conspiracy theories soon
One of the UK’s leading fact checking organisations is preparing for anti-vaccination posts online to be “ramped up” following news of a major vaccine breakthrough.
Social networks and online platforms have seen a surge in misinformation since the pandemic began, with anti-vax conspiracy theories among the biggest threat.
Full Fact, the UK’s independent fact checking charity, is preparing itself for further attempts by anti-vaxxers looking to sow public doubt.
Tom Phillips, editor of Full Fact, said: “I don’t think we’ve seen anything about it just yet but I would imagine that it will not be too long before we start seeing things.” I wouldn’t be surprised if we start to see false claims about it relatively soon.”
… like the false claim that you can ensure the safety of, and confidence in, a vaccine by reducing regulatory requirements and absolving producers of responsibility for harm?
Fact checkers are notorious for being nothing more than more propaganda, smears and silencing of debate. Been going for a long time on ‘climate change’. As I’ve mentioned quite a few times now, there’s no significant difference between the climate scam and the covid scam. Same pushers, same goals (destruction of western economies) same techniques of fearporn etc etc.
Brief roundup to be found here, and if you look into Appendix 3 you’ll recognise all the same stuff.
https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/
Funded by: https://fullfact.org/about/funding/
Hardly looks independent Google and Facebook the biggest funders both companies benefiting hugely financially from the Great Reset scam and moving services online.
Most people sadly don’t have the intelligence to ask themselves who the fact checkers are, who finances them and what their motivation is.
Fact checkers are there to weed out people like us. Anyone that questions the narrative.
Yes they are self appointed, normally by big business that has a stake to protect or money to make.
It’s amazing that the general public fall for the scam of ‘fact checkers’ also most seem to receive ‘news’ via Apple, Google or Microsoft. Globalist companies couldn’t care less about the truth – simply propaganda merchants.
The general public doesn’t want facts or the truth, they just want to be comforted in their oblivious denial that anything worse is going on than all of us together happily and valiantly keeping granny safe and sheltering from the Plague.
Malcolm Kendrick was fact checked https://www.rt.com/op-ed/504167-facebook-fact-checkers-censorship/
Who checks the Fact Checkers? Why George Soros of course, to make sure they are delivering the service he has paid for!
And vaccine tsar Bill Gates is an avid funder of fact checkers, mind you he needs to be, he can’t have the truth having a free ride.
Like my sister said, when I questioned her why she does not investigate this for herself, who is usually sceptic about “conventional” medicine. So many different opinions of people I have never heard of before, how do I know who I can trust?
Or as I said to my friend yesterday, try to buy some milk in the supermarket. There is so much choice, but you still need to make a decision. So you compare.
(If you have ever been in my local supermarket to buy milk, the choice is mind boggling!)
GCHQ are on it bigtime: https://archive.is/dMJr9
https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-9th-november-2020
Just seen professor Allyson Pollock of Newcastle University laying into mass testing on the BBC news channel saying it shouldn’t be used for asymptomatic testing. Good for her.
Thanks – send her an email of support, she’ll need it amid the deluge of smears she’ll be getting now
Re the Pfizer vaccine from the Guardian:
“To save time, the companies began manufacturing the vaccine before they knew whether it would work. They now expect to produce up to 50m doses, or enough vaccine to protect 25 million people, this year, and up to 1.3bn doses in 2021.
Many countries already have orders for the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine. The UK has bought 30m doses – enough for 15 million people because two doses are required. The EU has secured 200m doses, which it will distribute. The companies have a $1.95bn (£1.5bn) contract with the US government to deliver 100m vaccine doses beginning this year.”
Let’s all take a moment to be grateful for the wisdom, foresight and compassion of Big Pharma and our glorious leaders.
Awfully convenient that the recipient needs two doses for it to be effective. So the world will need 14 Billion vaccines to be administered and even that won’t guarantee long term immunity. Of course, it’s all about saving granny there is no ulterior motive here.
In a way I am glad though because this will be a logistical nightmare for the government to administer c. 140 million vaccines if they intend to deliver to the whole population.
You might as well have a lobotomy if you accept a vaccine with a background of conflicting interests like that!
So this year they can dose 25 million people out of seven billion.And some time next year (?), the vaccine can be given to less than a quarter of the UK population and will be 10% ineffective.
Hallelujah indeed.
Now wait for next week’s announcement that the muck doesn’t work after all.
“To save time, the companies began manufacturing the vaccine before they knew whether it would work.”
I believe this is partially true. What is omitted is that in all probability this manufacturing began in 2019.
Stonks! 1.3bn doses in 2021 works out at $25.4bn, which is 50% of Pfizer’s annual revenue for last year. And all without legal liability!
There’s so much money involved in the Covid scam that academics, with a few honourable exceptions, can be paid more than enough to keep their mouths firmly shut. In the end though, they will not be exempted from retribution delivered by Covid-19 vaccination. Once vaccinated academics, like the rest of us, will be dead men still walking, at least for a while.
The government might have painted themselves into another corner with the vaccine though. If the populace believe it to be a miracle cure and it is not given to them fast enough, we could see riots etc as thickos break into factories to try to get it. At the very least it could topple the government as all it would take is some demagogue to stand on a ‘vaccines for all’ ticket at the next elections (assuming there are any).
Johnson with Van Tam and some Brigadier. Uh oh!
He’s being vary; vaccine not yet peer reviewed.
He’s gibbering on about “toots” and “bugles”.
Now bullshitting about deaths, hospital numbers, bring the R down, blah, blah, blah.
Mass testing is the answer. FFS!
Big brother on now.Vaccine will save us
so it’s tamiflu all over again then! 15 million doses they ordered for that and used virtually none of them.
Big Pharma are not allowing for a repeat of tami. This is the new flu shot.
A seriously debilitating vaccine that the masses will be clamouring for is the stuff of dreams for philanthrocapitalists who are into vaccines and depopulation.
They intend to use the vaccines this time around, you can be sure of that and 15 million doses is just a mere bagatelle. They are going for 7 billion doses several times a year on a global basis. It was clear from very early on that the Covid scam was really all about getting a dodgy vaccine into each and every one of us. Although Bill Gates and Big Pharma stand to make a financial killing, it’s not now about the money, so what do we think they really up to? Short answer – it’s about full control and massive depopulation.
Vaccine only the start.Tied with digital passport and the coming digital currency;add UBI and you have almost total control of the population.
The vaccine will be the end for most of us and in that respect all of the other measures, evil though they be, will be of little consequence.
My thoughts exactly!! What a t***er.
It just makes him sound even more like the incompetent berk he is.
literally standing there lying
Well swipe me pink (and other expressions from the 50s) Biden wins and as if by magic Pfizer produce a miracle cure..shhhurely he is risen..
They can stick there miracle cure where it actually belongs, not in my arm. What next a vaccine for the common cold?
As sure as night follows day anything a government touches turns to shit. The distribution and administration of the vaccine will be a clusterfuck just like the current track and trace system. I suspect us sceptics will be able to hold off for quite some time before they get to us.
They won’t get to anybody in the UK before next year, anyway.
Dr Scott Gottlieb, on the board of Pfizer and former head of the FDA, said on CNBC this morning, not to expect any roll-out before Q2/Q3. Ignore what Jonathan V-T is saying at the press conference, I would be inclined to take more notice of Gottlieb.
They won’t be getting to me ever.
At 100.000 vaccines a day, that would take 650 days, and unless they hold me down and force an injection, it aint happening, and even then they’ll face an affidavit.
I’m sure many on here feel exactly the same.
I’m in the process of converting a van to travel Europe next year. Hoping to get the travelling bug out of my system before this vaccine is mandatory. It’ll be holidays down south from now on as i’m not getting this either.
I know a fair bit about this kind of thing. Drop me a PM if you want to discuss your plans and get some tips.
Thanks two-six. I’ll drop you a note!
Travelled Europe in the 90’s in an old Bedford 28 seater single decker school bus we converted – busking with our two teenage daughters – to pay our way round all the sites and sights of a Grand European Cultural Tour. Best education we could have given our children.
Converted an LDV Maxus van in 2013 – just passed it on last winter. Lots of time in Europe and up far north onto the Isles.
You’ve not asked for advice – but maybe a tip would be ok? We kept our conversions both times as simple and basic as poss. Worked just fine.
Jolly good luck to you.
That sounds fantastic. Well I think it’ll just be me and the dog to begin with anyway so certainly simple and basic convo
Yes many will feel that way, but if they don’t what are they doing here?
Let’s hope we can somehow win before these things get forced on us all, we will still have some time yet.
We have some time, and a hell of a task – work work work – did you see my message? It’s really important to work out how to debrainwash people
Yes, I am also worried about how we start debrainwashing people.
Send me an email. Seriously I think this is something you can do well. It’s the mixture of different types of posts from you and ability to think for yourself as well as discuss. You’d be good.
The main problem is that a majority of the population are dimwits and will believe that a Covid-19 vaccine will be a good thing. It won’t be, as they will find out.
They can have mine too. They will be doubly protected!
And mine and all of my family’s including the medics in it.
I’m going to give mine to a saintly tiktok nurse.
This is disgusting using the army for blatant political propaganda.
The brigadier never wrote this bollocks, did he?
What do you think?
The only Brigadier I’d listen to is Lethbridge-Stewart.
God help us. Us two scientists, with younger son, are pissing ourselves laughing at the soldier with his chemistry set!
Okay, that’s got me. I was determined not to watch but it’s just too tempting…
Do expand please for those of us temperamentally unable to watch. It sounds funny.
Sorry, it was his demonstration of how to put the swab in the plastic lateral flow device. Followed by the explanation of how one of the squaddies explained how to use it to someone who was deaf. We really should not be laughing at our soldiers, and no serious government should ever put them in the position of becoming a laughing stock. I despair.
Soldiers should not be involved at all. Reminds me of Blair’s armoured vehicles at Heathrow.
They are going on about the moonsh*t testing then. I feared it would all be about the marvellous vaccine news.
All nonsense though.
Well it is the Clown Show, sounds like they’ve introduced a new character.
Is this the lateral flow test that’s 50% accurate?
Well for the likes of us the army is going to be distributing it at gunpoint, so rather appropriate.
Went to Tenby this afternoon (Hi, Annie!|) to drop off some Hermes parcels, visit the bank and give the dog a run on the beach.. The number of masked up fuckwits walking around the town in the open air was depressing, to say the least. However, we got our business done and the dog had a great time. Left just as the heavens opened.
Yes, we have our share of nappy addicts and hopeless zombies. I generally keep out of the town centre for that reason, and because of the foul Covvie street furniture everywhere. Outside the centre it’s fine. And I’ve never had any trouble about being maskless in shops, though I seldom go in them these days.
Sorry I missed you, though. I was at home sheltering from the cloudburst.
his camouflage is not very good – i can still see him
The men in black have got the brigadier’s grandkids. No sane top soldier would believe this.
Van Tam: We’ve not to get overexcited.
Common purpose ?
I can well believe that all manner of darkness is at work here.
If this brigadier has any dignity, he should blow his head off later today.
What are you talking about please?
I can’t watch, can anyone fill us in exactly why some kind of soldier is on this briefing?
I missed his bit. But he’s tall, so presumably they hoped that would impress people.
As opposed to the two lardy arses next to him, one of whom talks very slowly to make you think he is clever, the other uses inappropriate terms from the classics or sport to make you think he is clever!
It was like a science for kiddies segment.I was going to say newsround but newsround was more intelligent.
LOL !
The way we get on with our lives is returning the previous testing standards and clinical care that we had for many years.
We are living in a cult.
And ruled by cults! Sorry, I meant…
No no Stevie, more respect please for my precious anatomy
Sorry – no disrespect intended.
Apology accepted
I am also very worried about how we’d even start de-programming the masses when they’ve been so badly brainwashed. It’d have to be like de-nazification.
Very good point!
Agree. Someone needs to start work on this project. I had an email from someone – I think you’d be a good member of the team, DRW. Think about it and contact me, and I’ll put you in touch. It would give you an expertise and something constructive to do with your experiences. I’ll send you what I’ve found so far (not much but a starter) and you can take the project and run with it. I’m pretty shocked that no pro has stepped forward yet.
I’m here https://www.beautyandthebeastlytruth.com/contact-us
If – and it’s a big if now – we ever get back to something approaching normality, I don’t think there will ever be any enquiries etc. It will just be quietly not talked about for at least a generation, like the Spanish Civil War or the German occupation of the Channel Islands.
“Then a man who did Prime Minister impersonations came on the radio…” Spike Milligan in Adolf Hitler, my part in his downfall. Talking about Neville Chamberlain, but Spike would have had great fun with Bozo!
‘He announced we were at war with Germany’
‘What does he mean ‘we’
Dear old Spike
JVT talking about waves …oh dear
What utter tosh, the Clown Show gets worse every episode.
Talk about the three stooges!
OH has just switched channels as we couldn’t bear it any longer. We are however, watching a programme with a similar theme, it’s called “Pointless”
Is there anyone on here who can explain these rapid lateral flow tests please?
It’s a bit like a pregnancy test but with a long cotton bud slotted into the plastic device that has been in your nose rather than your pee! Let me make it clear, you don’t have to pee on it at any point!!
Thanks TT but does it have the same problems with cut off points like the PCR test or is it binary like a pregnancy test? Does the result show you’ve got SARS Covid2 or have had it? Thanks.
Sorry Margaret, I was still recovering from the Brigadier’s demonstration. Here is the background on the test:
https://www.nsmedicaldevices.com/news/lateral-flow-test-covid-19/
This so complicated. For the PCR test you need enzymes, duplication, a lot of equipment to do the test to find – or not – sars2 RNA.
The rapid test has a substance in the kit, which reacts to the protein spike of a corona virus.
(if I remember what I learned yday correctly)
The rapid test can determine if “a” corona virus is in your body, but NOT if it is alive, if it is enough to infect others, or will make you ill.
So basically as useless as the implementation of the PCR test.
You can get pregnant by shoving something up your nose?
I knew I was doing something wrong
Fuck nose
Don’t zombies pee through their noses? I thought that was why they wore nappies on their faces.
Are they these? Testing positive from apple juice?
https://youtu.be/ueUCV3XY3l0
Yes me, it’s a test where the flow is lateral
Keep up
Is that the antigen rubbish even less reliable than PCR?
He even cocked that up.He was talking about play offs then winning the cup.They have taken us for morons for so long they talk to us like we are.
Why was that young person even asking if going home for the holidays would be permitted? FFS! Permitted?
It’s irrelevant. Any parent who gives a toss about their child’s wellbeing will be up in a shot to collect them, regardless of rules. It is so revolting that the government is separating families like this for no good reason.
Or they could just leave of their own accord – presuming there isn’t a complete travel ban. They are adults!
Universities also have no legal power to imprison students.
Quite
I snarl at anyone using the words ‘allowed’ or ‘permitted’ relating to this farce.
My comments on Nextdoor this week had replies that I am political. I think a lady asking for advice if she and her 2 sisters can look after their frail 84y old mother, and not leave the responsibility to 1 sister, and my reply of course she can and the rules are just stupid, is not political!
But if I get banned I will be very proud!
Because it’s the usual scripted bollocks.
What is the point of Boris talking to us any more? If he says we definitely won’t do something it inevitably happens, if he says we will do something it inevitably doesn’t. Who is listening any more?
Will the pig dictator never accept that I don’t want to be fucked by him
He really believes that we respect him as much as Churchill
I don’t think it matters exactly what he says anymore. They just have to keep the narrative going that there’s something dangerous out there of which we need to be very afraid. The majority of people don’t pick up on the specifics and I’ve given up on pointing out the inconsistencies to people as most don’t care. Lockdown is either welcomed by them or is just something they have to do ‘because of the virus’. I’ve noticed there’s less talk of things getting back to normal in 2021 now as well.
Could be saline for all I care, let the people who are scared take it and get us back to normal.
The conspiracy theorist in me thinks the vaccine news might be to calm down some of the global tension against the lockdowns to give time for the Danish Mink narrative to set in to make any attempt at vaccination useless thus requiring continued restrictions.
We are not going back to normal vaccine or not.That is what everyone needs to understand
Exactly. This is just the start
The mink narrative is a back-up for if Trump somehow manages to overturn the election results in the courts.
It will be many years before anything like normality is restored after the enormous damage that has been done to health (mental and physical), wealth, the economy, livelihoods, democracy etc, etc!
Lockdown till Spring – Van Tam.
Missed it! Did he say lockdownS or implied one long imprisonment?
Continued restrictions, tiered system returns on Dec 2nd.
Very quick to start adding doom and gloom to the vaccine news too.
Straight into tier 9 for everyone then.
The vaccine is one thing I agree with him on at least. Far too good to be true.
I know some dr.’s who are somewhat privy to the government’s Covid task force here in Belgium, and they say Autumn 2021 is the earliest possible date a vaccine could conceivably be approved for general use. All more optimistic estimates are merely part of the carrot-and-stick propaganda to keep Joe/Jane Public docile and compliant, thinking the end is just around the corner if only (s)he keeps on swallowing the Kool-Aid.
He said this will not be over before Spring; same thing in my book.
Yes, I take the point. Doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things, just thinking from a selfish perspective about work.
Sorry, Charlie.
Carry on being selfish, mate; it’s still your right in a free world.
Johnson’s mate Orban in Hungary keeps mentioning this magic Spring date. WTF?
Really? I thought Orban was more independent. When did he succumb?
When he all but crowned himself Dictator for life some 8-12 weeks into this alleged pandemic. He enacted Legislation using the Emergency measures to ensure that he could never be voted out of office. He has an awful lot of control in his hands now without recourse to any parliamentary process.
It’d be over now if everyone just stopped complying.
No doubt about that.
Presumably in the spring we get a reprieve, then it’s back into Lockdown when the Third Wave arrives in autumn 2021 because we dared to do things like meet our friends and go to beaches.
2021 or >2025?
Follow the furlough.On off lockdown until then
I was really hoping they’d all be locked up by then
Still going on about us being in the second wave. I had to leave the room.
Well as posted by Tigress, even Pfizer execs have said a mass rollout will be Q2 at the earliest.
Agreed. I’m out of here the minute they start using the army. Which they will, at some point between now and March next year.
This is the ultimate test for all of us. Fail and you will never leave this place, even in death.
Really?
Johnathan here is a very apt saying from your namesake
According to statistics, one person out of five is disturbed. If there are four people around you who seem normal, that’s not good.
Jean-Claude Van Damme
It seems clear to em that – contrary to Toby et al = this is not a case of policy blunders or anyone being forced into anything, this is going to go on and on.
Once you realise that, then this shitshow all makes sense.
It’s a case of science being made to fit a political narrative not the government wildly and incompetently folllowing it.
Until the Pig Dictator becomes the actual one.
Yes, if BoZo wanted to ease off, or even back out, everything would have needed was laid on the table for him after last week’s fiasco.
Yep he could have said the science was wrong and lifted the lockdown.he is following a plan like many other leaders across the world.
I a bit of a feeling developing that this time, they might have overreached.
That’s the big hope…that they’ve misjudged us and it’s not quite too late. With the military getting involved across Europe though its looking bad. Work work work everyone. All day every day
It certainly looks that way. Bozo refuses all opportunities to say that things are better than at first thought, new data shows us we are nearing the end etc. Instead he just doubles down. Now we have a senior military man on the clown show. It’s despicable
For what it’s worth Steph, I thought Johnson was going to be negative. He’s now pushing his own Totalitarian Agenda through that’s why nothing will be resolved by Spring, gives him the time. However, I am not sure now how long they can spin this Covid narrative out that long as the true statistics are showing this is an endemic. If he’s saying there’s going to be a systematic series of lockdowns rolled out until Spring then I can’t see any basis for that and the true figures will show what rubbish it is. We now need to rely on Parliament to throw this shit legislation out and restore normality. There is a NATO agenda here, make no mistake.
This is Johnson trying to show he is the Boss so to speak and trying to reinstate some Authority hence the Brigadier. It’s a good threat to the public, you know, I have the Army here at the ready if you don’t do as I tell you. What he doesn’t realise of course is that his reputation is utterly destroyed, utterly. There is absolutely no confidence at all in him anywhere. So this shit show press conference is rubbish, utter garbage.
Is the DT taking the piss here?
We get our first alas of the press conference for the rising hospitalisations and death tolls, …
We can hope.
Did TY say the PM had been forced? He may have done but if so I missed it. He may have felt/feel pressured into doing things, by various forces including public opinion, or his misguided perception of it. It doesn’t excuse anything he has done, jut recognises that even dictators don’t just do whatever they feel like all the time (maybe Fat Boy in North Korea comes close) but consider the consequences.
The only policy “blunder” was the initial decision to panic and lock down. Everything else has been part of a “conspiracy” to cover that up and exit without looking like they got it wrong.
Government was instrumental in the panic.Remember what johnson said on March 13.loved ones will die.Sage didn’t advocate lockdown it was a political decision.
They have had many opportunities to roll back with honour and have instead doubled down.
We are witnessing a coup and time is running out to stop it.
Yep mass action and dissent is now needed. O.K. we are now four days into this lockdown. Give it until the end of this week and dissent in the British Public will begin to grow as Christmas approaches. What we know for a fact is that this country cannot afford any more Lockdowns. This is Johnson’s school playground bully shit, he’s been found out, he is being roundly kicked by proper facts and figures and now the MSM (which is likely to increase) and he is trying desperately to reimpose his authority. What an idiot. I am not at all worried about what he said, it’s the last gasp of a drowning man. It is merely worthless rhetoric. It is now going to fuel even more backlash in the MSM (Except BBC and ITV of course). What an idiot. He could have apologised. He could have been optimistic. He could have been congratulatory to the British Public about the high level of compliance. He did none of those things. He’s gone.
I can only think of Cartman in South Park – “respect my authoritay!”
Like F we will.
That reminds me – if you haven’t watched it already, watch the Southpark Pandemic Special on Bitchute. It is absolutely hilarious, so good I watched it twice. It totally skewers the lunacy of the last seven months.
I’m still surprised by the Johnson panicked theories and more especially so when we see that nearly every country panicked in almost identical fashion. Will these defenders of the Johnson faith ever see the bigger picture?
Really perceptive comment – thank you.
It is true that the government was instrumental in the panic. One of the worst of their many monstrous crimes. But I think it was a product of the PM feeling it was his only option, if he wasn’t to be blamed for all those deaths. SAGE many not have advocated it directly but they certainly didn’t advocate against it and have consistently tried to scare everyone. They are all in it together.
Sage were quite happy to see the results of the measures they introduced.At that point they were following proper epidemiology.
They could have rolled back in summer and spun a victory but instead doubled down.
National lockdowns have never been part of the “proper epidemiology”
“Everything else has been part of a “conspiracy” to cover that up and exit without looking like they got it wrong.”
Why not bite the bullet and take on board that the original lockdown was also part of a much bigger conspiracy. This seems highly likely, as nearly every country introduced very similar suicidal lockdown policies over a period of a week or so. Obviously there leaders were all singing from the “New Normal Hymnal”, sponsored by the vaccine tsar himself, Bill Gates.
I suspect Toby has twigged what’s going on by now, but it pays him not to blow the conspiracy trumpet, as this will give him access to information and contacts that might otherwise be unavailable. This seems likely to me, but of course I could be wrong about that.
Has the pig dictator actually met any real people?
No, and it doesn’t sound like the soldiers have either – Liverpool residents have served us well by largely not turning out for the tests.
Good old Scousers
Only briefly at elections.
At this point I am asking whether or not he is human. We might be looking at our future. Synthetic organisms directly connected to AI.
Perhaps they tested the vaccine out on him while he was ill
Do you think he could be a somewhat overweight sex doll?
Don’t know but prepared to give it a go
Try anything once
!?
What would the target market be?
Bestiality pervs? Wannabe Deliverance roleplayers?
Aggghhhh Bugle please, I’m about to eat in half an hour. Uuugghh
Last of the Summer Wine fans will remember the giant airborne inflatable woman.The resemblance is striking.
Very scary image!
Only at Eton.
“The slippery pig.”
Matnav
Van Tam backwards
All making sense now
MatNav – does that plot the route out?
The full description is Handycocknav
Matnav for short
No it roots the plot out
I wondered if Bozo was going to give us a ray of hope. This is it then. Immediate future: continued restrictions. Medium term: the vaccine, laced with who knows what mystery ingredients, and the creation of a leper class. Long term: a brave new world of ultra-surveillance, superfast broadband, self-driving cars and zero-carbon aircraft. I think I want to die now.
Fight on for your/our children if not for yourself.
Read The Lord of the Rings if you need strength and determination
Read Thoughts of a philosophical fighter pilot. Or Ingrid Betancourt’s book about being held hostage by FARC.
Yes. And don’t be a bloody Denethor.
It’s exhausting and I feel that way too regularly, but don’t surrender and make it easier for them. These are just mind games. There was nothing for them to announce today – they just want to keep breathing down our necks.
I divide my day up into different types of activity. Some time for serious hard work and creative stuff, some for chat here, some for digging the garden …. very therapeutic. Arm muscles stronger than they ever have been.
My guess is now that it looks like Trump is gone, the globalists (including most of our government) are breathing a sigh of relief because Biden (unlike Trump) seems to be a Covid Believer. This has probably emboldened them somewhat.
Very likely that is so. However, Trump is still President until January and he still has time to do something if he is so inclined. For a start he should sack the immensely evil Tony Fauci.
Mind games still kill, but highly likely it is way more serious than that. Agreed though, that we should never give in. Resist to the bitter end.
Never surrender to these weak cowards.
Save your anger for your compulsory vaccination day and then make sure you take a vaccinator with you.
Glad I’m not the only one thinking like this!
Take one of the fuckers with you.
Yes!! I am ready with my vaccinator!
I have pessimistic tendencies and frequent bad days but there is some good news. The majority have proven they’re at least tiring of this shit.. The Clown Show is just that and today’s “Bugles and Toots” episode is complete laughable tosh. We still haven’t lost yet.
Keep the revolution going, we’ll get there!
I can sympathise as last week I had something of an intellectual crisis about all this, and stopped posting or indeed reading anything about Covid for a few days. I think I’d reached the point where I’d realised the ‘old normal’ isn’t coming back and that this is now a full on existential assault by people who are determined to change our lives for the worse, permanently.
But that doesn’t mean I’ve stopped fighting! Sartre wrote ‘life begins on the far side of despair’ and I think I’ve come out on that far side. I’m still doing my bit, writing emails, contributing financially to the struggle, trying to get people thinking where I can. But I’ve realised this is going to be a very long struggle and there are many things we may never get back.
I’ve come to the end of screaming ‘why?’ and have reached a place of quietness and acceptance that most people will never wake up to what is going on. Indeed, most people seem actively to be enjoying it. I can’t realistically fight that.
I’m going to lob something in here which will lead to many down votes. If Corbyn were in power, I doubt very much whether we would be in this current shit show. At least, whatever people think about him here, he is a serious minded politician.
Who exactly is in power though? Because it isn’t dePiffle.
I think Corbyn wouldn’t have enjoyed it as much – and he’s hopeless at lying, while dePiffle is a brazen barefaced bullshitter. Ashworth is a twerp but, unlike Poppycock, I don’t think he’s a psychopath.
Corbyn wouldn’t have had full support of his fractured party either.
I think the outcome would probably have been the same in the end but the execution might have looked very different.
I think that’s fair comment. Corbyn at least seems to have principles (though I disagree with most of them). I think it’s possible that if he were PM, he would have stood out against some of the worst restrictions initially, but eventually would have been steamrollered out of the way and replaced with someone more compliant, or resigned under the strain.
Agree. It isn’t a matter of character so much, was not a fan personally but thought Corbyn was probably a nice enough guy… but nice enough guys & big league politics do not mix. He literally as you say would have got trampled on – heck it happened enough in interviews, he would say something then Tom Watson, or Starmer, would butt in & undermine him.
The old normal is coming back. Or rather, people like me are bringing it back, step by step.
At the start of the first incarceration I was graciously permitted to lead my horse around for half an hour a week. And at first I obeyed, because like all of us I was shell-shocked.
After a couple of weeks I was riding her, off road, for two hours a week.
During Dungford’s latest shitshow I was riding her for two hours a day, three days a week, including long hacks, partly on the road.
Next week we recommence jumping lessons.
The week after that, we recommence beach rides. And I no longer give a fuck for what Dungford or anybody else says.
Bring on the horse shows. That’s all we’re missing now. It will take time, but it will happen.
I’m pleased to announce that my local fitness club is going to continue operating during lockdown (via a legal loophole specific to our club, so I’d rather not mention it here as it does not apply to most places.) It started when I suggested such a loophole might be possible. I expected to be shouted down as a granny killer, but several committee members supported the idea and after legal advice, we are now going ahead.
Bright spot for me, reading between the lines, the good people of Liverpool are having none of it. Most of them have a healthy distrust of the authorities at the best of times, and this isn’t the beet of times. They dislike Boris for his insensitive comments about Liverpudlians being addicted to grief. They also have some folk memories that lead them to distrust the army being called into to supervise the civilian population.
Regarding the Brigadier’s Dr Who style presentation, what are the “unique” planning skills he claimed for the army? Assuming they aren’t planning to launch an all out assault on the recalcitrant Scousers, I expect their skills are replicated by DHL, Amazon, the Glastonbury Festival orgajusers, Police, councils and the Highways Agency to name a few. Given this is the organisation that sent soldiers into the Mad Mullah district of Basra in berets and skin-thin unarmoured jeeps, I think we can ignore the BS.
Forget about “Boris” – he’s an evil twat.
No one is going to give you your liberties back, you’ve got to take them.
Don’t die now, in the future, our descendants will say that this was one of the most “interesting times” in human history because of what happened next.
If it all goes wrong, these people won’t even exist.
Also just noticed your very topical username, gave me a chuckle.
Oh dear! Not intentional. It was my old dog’s nickname.
I see, I just found it searching for another comment.
Brian Gerrish wisely concluded UKColumn today by telling us:
“If you want to feel happier, DO something!”
https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-9th-november-2020
You could start by writing to thank all those MPs who voted against the mockdown last week. Make them feel it was worthwhile.
I posted a list with emails today. Use control F to find me and then the list.
Yes. Wrote to a couple previously, just to say thanks for their efforts. It might do nothing, but it might inspire them just a tiny bit. Got a lovely reply a month or so ago from Sir Charles Walker – what a guy. This group of 38-39 is growing very slowly, but I think dissent is growing… Labour: forget it, they are a lost cause – though watch them do an about-turn & suddenly try to jump on the bandwagon if Boris’ position becomes tenuous!
Sir Desmond Swayne did briefly mention the PCR test once before at least, but this needs to be really encouraged and hammered in Parliament. really hammered.. because it is the root & the fatal flaw. Also if (somehow) could get Yeadon heard at a national level or at a Parliament committee or something, that would be it too…
I don’t. I want to live to dance on their graves.
I will and I shall.
I admire your spirit. I’m not sure how this will fall out. I don’t really want to die (yet), but what is depressing is the sheer banality of Johnson’s vision. Is there really no more to life than saving our own skin? Was it really worth sacrificing all humanity and kindness in order to avoid a contagion? Is ‘caring’ equivalent to loving? Is ‘staying safe’ the same thing as living? Is it a sign of a righteous society to have us snooping and ratting on each other? Is it good governance to set up a percentage of the population for ostracism and persecution?
All these sacrifices are made ‘worth it’, apparently, so that we can (eventually) enter Johnson’s shiny new world of gimmicks, a realm of weird austerity where all goals remain nevertheless strictly material, detached from anything our forbears would have recognised as real or meaningful – no dignity, no transcendence. Not a world I wish to share.
Me neither. Line crossed and life over.
I guess that at nearly 6pm the covid statistic have not been published yet is so that we all wait for BJ to finish scaring us all?
Yes, probably the stats are positive, so they didn’t want us to be lulled into a false sense of security. Bloody buffoons.
What was so wrong with the OLD normal?
Way too much freedom and prosperity for the peasants. Unacceptable.
At least then we can pay their salaries! And buy rubbish and vote for them.
It just wasn’t the new normal.
Nothing of course.
Please – that was normality.
What we have now is not normality
Every time that sombody uses the expression ‘the new …’, then the concept is validated in an NLP kind of way.
Well it wasn’t perfect but there’s only one normal I accept.
1 The OLD normal was heading in this direction.
2 I did not appreciate it enough
3 Ask those living on the streets
It lifted far too many folks in the 3rd world out of poverty.
I made the mistake of watching a bit of the press conference today. I approached it with an open mind, but JVT and Boris continue to present the ‘killer virus’ as an existential threat to the nation.
They threw in a couple of platitudes about ‘how hard it is’ (for us, not them, obviously), but otherwise there was nothing to indicate that this madness will end any time soon.
A complete waste of time.
Van Tam:
Responding to whether there will be a normal Christmas Jonathan Van-Tam said: “With time and, subject to authorisation by the regulator, once these vaccines begin to be deployed then over a period of time they will make a significant difference to the disease levels seen in the UK.”
“Whether they will reduce the transmission, we do not know yet.”
“Your job is to hold this R as below 1 as long as you can, he added. “
My job? Sod off you medico-fascist.
“over a period of time they will make a significant difference to the disease levels seen in the UK”
Notice how non-specific this is. Hiding the truth in plain sight. Yes, it will reduce the disease levels. Because WE are the disease that needs to be reduced.
In which case, I intend to start a Granny genocide campaign by not wearing my mask, getting as close to people so as to be able to breath on them and dipping my hands in cow dung every time I go out. That should help the NHS with eradicating the pesky grannies!
Boris said he wants to put the virus back in its box, apparently. Reminds of that IT Crowd episode where Jen really did believe the Internet was kept in a tiny box. Over to you meme creators!
When are they announcing their 30% paycut, and a 15% or so graded one for all civil servants to show the solidarity they always ask from us?
I also heard a bit of it and an interview with someone from Welcome talking about the vaccine; I felt like I was living in a parallel universe, they did not seem to be talking about the world in which I am living. According to the WHO 80% of people are asymptomatic or mild to this virus, i.e. they are immune/resistant to serious (hospital admission) Covid whilst 20% are susceptible to serious Covid and potential death.
Consequently by my simple logic that means that 53.3 million people in the UK are already immune/resistant to serious covid by some mechanism or another, whilst 13.3 million are susceptible to serious covid. I have mentioned this in various places and everyone seems to accept that yes this is the official WHO position.
Yet listening to Father Jack (Boris) and his miserable muses you would not think we were talking about a disease that is of no personal health consequence to 53.3 million people in Britain. They talk as if anyone anywhere might suddenly die of Covid, which is clearly not the case. In the words of Father Jack ‘what the feck is going on?’
P.S. the picture of Father Jack (Boris) on the BBC almost makes it look like ????????????? well I’ll let you comment – image attached
Hopefully this will enrage those backbenchers yet further…
Cases are doubling in some area’s…
A little disingenuous methinks, my local town has 1 case but it’s now doubled to 2. Out of 150,000!!
Also according to the Prime minister 1 in 90 of us have the virus.
That’s 666,667 people!
AND in all this time I’ve yet to meet ANYBODY who has had the virus! What an amazing run I’ve had! Anybody else the same as me?
Well no, i’ve been informed that a friends aunties cousins sister had it so seems quite endemic.
Wow. I’m so sorry to hear that. My thoughts, etc…;-)
thanks Arnie, means a lot. We’ll get through this somehow…
Arnie, surely we must be at herd immunity level now!! Ha ha
I was brought up on Tom Lehrer!
If 666,667 people really have the virus at any one time, then a) we must be approaching herd immunity, b) track and trace is a ridiculous proposition (it is anyway) and c) it’s about the least fatal virus known to man…
1 in 90 is the figure currently quoted by ONS. This is only for the most recent week, so surely almost everyone has had it or been exposed to it by now?
Off-topic – I read that Biden is mentioning “dark winter” again.
https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:All_Roads_Lead_to_Dark_Winter
To be fair judging by his current appearance it could be a very dark winter for him.
“dark winter” is FUN…
Bla Bla Bla
He is always in time to end it!
Why did Boris and his chums not wear masks during that broadcast?
I have to when I’m indoors, is it one rule for one?
This chap was unaccountably missing from the broadcast as he illustrates how logical the govt approach is:
So funny! Made my day! Want one…
Yes, bit horrible but ridicule is one of the most potent weapons against them.
Not required in workplaces, certainly not civil service ones. They know something, yes?
All of this stuff that they are doing is GUIDANCE. As far as I can tell none of it is enforceable. Therefore NONE of it is going to be followed by me. No exemptions.
Of course, if you roll out hatred with the vaccine then this is highly prejudicial to assessing the affects of the vaccine. The history of vaccine contrary to VanTam has not been two centuries of seamless triumph, whatever the motives of people making them (which has never of course had anything to do with money). The swine flu vaccine was a disaster. Unless, they are actually prepared to listen sympathetically to people who report harm (and this has never ever happened in two and a quarter centuries) their word that vaccines are safe is worthless.
People laughed at the Wizard of Oz. How could a showman convince a whole land that he was a powerful wizard.
The Emperor’s New Clothes? Oh that’s a kid’s story.
All this because reported measurements were just noise.
Just think now that every bite of food you take, every sip of water that someone, someone with integrity and honesty, went through a rigourous process to make sure that was safe for you to consume.
And now just think if they were extremely lax and used vague measuring systems. And then told you it was “gold standard tested”.
We have a long way to go through to the otherside
Please can fellow sceptics tell me what the consensus is of what the goal of the UK government really is? i.e what do you realistically think is their long-term aim from imposing all the restrictive measures and controlling the public? Is it realistic to expect the majority in parliament to be complicit in that aim?
The methodology
If there’s a case for a reasonable exception to free speech rights, it would be to ban posting those nauseating pictures of that loathsome, bullying pseudo-comedian and sworn enemy of freedom of speech.
Consider how effective ridicule is in pointing out the stupidity of mask wearing.
We are trying to win an argument not lose gracefully.
Ridicule is fine, just don’t promote that noxious twat while you are doing it.
Stop being precious, do you want to win or lose gracefully?
Yes he’s a twat and rather repulsive, again so what.
Population reduction, total control over and dependency of those left, including the permanent loss of autonomy over your body and mind. Most of the MPs will be thrown under the bus along with the general public.
Admittedly this is at the extreme end of the alternative spectrum, but it’s where I see this going. The critical thing to remember here is that (so far) they are doing this with our consent.
I feel like I’m being pushed down a corridor I don’t want to go down, clinging to everything door on the way past for something to get me out of here knowing ultimately I’ll end up through the large door at the end…..the one others are happily skipping towards.
This nightmare was probably informed by seeing Logan’s Run at a very young age.
No No. Come come now. Surely it was A Clockwork Orange?
Watching Logan’s Run as a seven year old did some weird things to my mind.
Buck Rogers in the 25th Century was much safer territory.
“Threads” or “Day of the Triffids” or perhaps “Z for Zaccharia” twigged me out the most as a youngster.
Compulsory vaccinations. There is massive returns on vaccines
& Control of people
Keep doing it until polling has reached about 60:40 against and then U-turn. Hopefully they will mistime it and we’ll get rid of Johnson in the process but he will be doing his best greased piglet act.
To stay in power
“what do you realistically think is their long-term aim from imposing all the restrictive measures and controlling the public?“
Depends whom you mean by “they”. If you mean the PM and his cabal, and the picked “scientists” around them, their aim is probably to evade blame for the consequences of their lockdown, at any price.
“Is it realistic to expect the majority in parliament to be complicit in that aim?“
Absolutely. UK MPs are selected for compliance and are policed by party structures that punish dissent outside permitted lines ruthlessly.
My ‘hope’ is, eventually, no.
My ‘fear’, on the other hand…
We’ve all seen endless graphs this year. Many of them indicating exponential growth. But I’m convinced that this is the graph behind all of this.
It is about as close to reality as all the other graphs this year, so why not?
What the feck did I just watch? That was the most ridiculous farce I’ve ever seen.
Agree. God knows what the senior soldier thought about that shit show.
Well, he didn’t know what 2 inches looked like.
Matt Hancock does
My Christmas will be as normal as we can make it whilst TOTALLY ignoring ALL of the guidelines. I stay in regular touch with over twenty of my close family and friends and this is the only thing ever that has TOTALLY united us. He won’t ruin our Christmas no matter how hard he tries.
I hope it’s the same for everybody else.
agreed!
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/past-six-days/2020-11-08/business/groupthink-is-the-disease-that-forced-us-into-this-crisis-hpnx5brblhttps://www.thetimes.co.uk/past-six-days/2020-11-08/business
“My idea of a group decision is to look into the mirror.”
Warren Buffett
And Anders Tegnell, and John Magufuli, and Jessica Ardern. .. .
And certainly not Boris Johnson, Emmanuel Macron, Angela Merkel&co: you cannot make a non-groupthink decision, if all you ever care about is evading blame.
Dear Mr Gates,
Am I allowed to go skiing this winter?
At Davis, yes…elsewhere, no. It’s the new normal.
Gates: Certainly not you miserable peasant. My daleks are being released. They have been badly programmed so they have misinterpreted the word Exterminate Exterminate to Vaccinate Vaccinate. Punishment for not listening to them is immediate death by a command to exterminate, which they will misunderstand of course. So, skiing? You won’t be here.
You read my mind!
I have a number of friends in the ski industry and they are shitting themselves about this winter. Many operators run on very small margins.
Dear Mr Gates,
I AM going skiing this winter, even if it’s down the hill in town.
Kind regards,
FUCK YOU,
(P.S. Linux is much better than the shitty OS you’ve had us use for the last 30 years – I’ve not used your Mickey Mouse Windows for over 5 years and I am much happier as a result)
^ Fixed it
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/01/coronavirus-vaccine-trial-participants-exhaustion-fever-headaches.html
Coronavirus vaccine trial participants report day-long exhaustion, fever and headaches — but say it’s worth it
That’s alright then!
Similar to the virus then?
With a higher death rate probably.
sounds worse, synthetic illness
Long Vaccine?
They must be getting paid megabucks!
Have any of the male participants checked their sperm count since I wonder?
Dunno, tbf they are wankers
It’s worth it to be the saviour of mankind I guess. Will we have to doorstep clap them at some point?
Do not know if this YT channel has been mentioned.
The first video which caught my eye was this one but the clips are many and varied.
Brilliant!
Petition against mandatory vaccines
https://www.change.org/p/parliament-stop-vaccines-becoming-mandatory-in-the-uk
They won’t be mandatory. “They” will just find effective ways to coerce us instead!
As a parent I worry that schools will not accept kids unvaxed. Such coercion is very frightening
My wife had a conversation with her line manager today; line manager suggested the bosses might make it mandatory if you want to come to work. Bastards!
Again, the answer is a standardised letter for the employer admitting legal liability for any and all harms caused by the vaccine if they make it a condition of employment.
Once they have financial skin in the game they will do a rapid rethink as it were.
Thanks, N. I’m already aware of that, but it’s good to have it posted again for others here.
Think that would be illegal under international law.
I believe madatory and/or coersion is illegal under international law following the forced medical processes the Nazis undertook.
I know Dr Micheal Yeadon has mentioned this a few times in his twitter feed.
Agree,No flight no pub no restaurants and eventually no job unless you get vaccinated.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8924191/Coronavirus-thousands-died-Covid-19-caught-hospitals.html
Just want to return to this story posted at the weekend, for a moment.
I’ve sent my MP the link above and the following two quotes by a couple of trusts (Annie posted these on Saturday): (bold is mine)
I also pointed out to my MP that the Gov.uk ‘deaths’ page does NOT make this distinction in any way; they merely say:
This would be interpreted by most people that the deaths were the result OF Covid. This is then reported in the MSM as gospel truth.
I also pointed out to her that the Gov.uk page used to mention that not all deaths were from Covid (image below), but that they removed it before the ‘second wave’ propaganda/fear ramp up.
Send the story and those quotes from the hospitals to your MP, guys; some MPs are getting very restless about the lockdown. Keep the pressure on them up!
Did this week’s Clown Show mention any of the Big Numbers? I don’t think they did now they’ve already peaked and now levelled off, funny that.
They are out now, though I’m not sure if they have final figures for deaths. Cases similar to yesterday
no, on account of they normally delay the covid dashboard figures until after.
As I said above, the numbers will never be mentioned again (unless they become suitably high). It will all be about models and predictions from now on. Particularly hospital admissions and deaths – cases no longer of interest.
The Tory loyalist Guido Fawkes site is applauding the vaccine and promising normal by spring. It’s sickening.
Its like a joke, Johnson looks like a crazy brain addled mad man
That’s because he is!
(The alcohol adds to the effect)
The management may be doing that but not the readers.
Guido blows in whichever direction his advertisers tell him. Tom Harwood constantly changes what he believes in. Calgie does what he’s told.
Ive followed Guido for years, most of my comments on the site are now directly to him about his headlines and the content. He has lost his way, a legend in his own lunchtime. he used to be sharp and incisive. Now its about advertising revenue and not mmuch else.
Monsanto (owned by Pfizer) is one of the leading exponents of GM crop production. Pfizer is now proud to present “GM People” © Pfizer.
Using the latest in technology, we are now able to offer vaccines which we can produce quickly and easily (but not cheaply, you understand) that can genetically alter humans to resist any disease in the same way that we do with crops and animals. We will also be able to engineer changes in humans that will emphasise only those characteristics that you, the government, desire and eliminate unsuitable traits to produce only compliant, productive electorates.
Human 2.0. Free of gender, sexuality, emotion, intelligence and a whole host of other characteristics which hinder efficiency. In-built termination date set at 30 years. To be replaceable by clones grown in-vitro manufactured to order.
Sounds like a really great Brave New World to me… no.. wait… what!
Never buy version X.0 of anything. Wait until they’ve fixed the bugs first…
We have those already. Self-made zombies. DIY epsilon-minus semi-morons.
I want to make it clear that the current vaccine doesn’t do this – I am just speculating about the future once the government has got us all used to accepting injections that are it says good for us.
Yesterday I posted this:
It seems like only one day later we’ve received our answer.
Back in August I posted this:
I subsequently thought my prediction had been disproved when they started stating that the vaccine wouldn’t be ready until next year, but it now appears to be back in play.
I agreed with you back then, but a mass rollout before Christmas is still unlikely. Pfizer execs have said it will be next Spring at the earliest.
We will be locked down until the vaccine is rolled out.
After today’s satanic clown show, it couldn’t be more obvious.
I expect we’ll back to regional tiers in December, then LD3 in late Jan/Feb for “not following the rules” over Christmas. No big let ups until then.
Not so sure about that DRW. We’ll see. I have a notion that after this one, there will be no more lockdowns for a number of reasons too long to list here. People have had enough. By then, dissent and demonstrations will have sky rocketed.
I have been quite a lot cheerful in the past few days, mainly because it is blatantly obvious that everybody else is also ignoring the rules. Lockdown is dead! And as to the clown show, which I found myself listening to on Talk Radio, it said absolutely nothing. At least they quietly seem to be admitting that an approved vaccine any time soon is a forlorn hope. At least no new surprise new measures.
I agree that the lockdown momentum has gone, on the whole, although nothing would surprise me at this point.
Furlough and self employed grants until March.Sorry More lockdowns
Some heartening footage on Twitter today of anti-lockdown protests in Manchester – good natured, normal British people, including families with children.
I don’t think we will be seeing many cases by Christmas because we have achieved effective herd immunity.
Of course that won’t matter because SAGE will predict 10,000 deaths per day by February if we don’t lock down again.
Or the mink variant will kill us all.
Yeah, I think you’re probably right. Actually vaccinating a large percentage of people before Christmas would be a logistical nightmare with this short of a time frame. I still think they’ll somehow hold up Christmas based on it though – perhaps it’ll just be constant priming regarding the vaccine. Or maybe some kind of “sign up” system, instead of “we need x% of the country vaccinated before we remove the lockdown for Christmas”, it’ll be “we need x% of the country committed to vaccination before we remove the lockdown for Christmas.”
The reality I definitely foresee is that numbers are going to become irrelevant now. Cases, deaths, infections, blah blah, they’re not going to highlight them anymore. Yesterday I was really wondering how they’d drag this out and I just assumed they’d mass test and get the numbers they wanted, but then with the mass testing seemingly being roundly rejected, I was really at a loss. Well, they’ve found their way now.
We saw the irrelevance of the numbers last weekend, when Lockdown 2.0 was enacted on the basis of projections and predictions and scenarios. They couldn’t get the case numbers or deaths rising fast enough, so despite only 20-odd thousand recorded cases per day we are told that the computer says there are 50,000, or 100,000 – choose your number. What’s actually happening in the real world no longer matters.
Yes. Boris could say ‘we have to act fast because if we don’t , elevnty thousand and twelvety gazillion people will die of the Covids by the 32nd of Septober’ and the masses would not even notice, except perhaps pulling their masks on a bit more tightly than usual.
The initiative is slipping away from them. They seem to be running out of ways of corrupting the statistics and manufacturing distractions and people are seeing the evidence for themselves with dropping hospitalisation and death rates. They have a couple of weeks before they will have nowhere to hide.
Indeed, pressure is building and the Clown Show was about diverting attention away from the now inconvenient numbers.
Van Tam and some army guy as well (didn’t watch it). The Doomsters hopefully banished and in disgrace.
False flags and crisis actors? But seriously, I think you’re right. What we see now are the actions of the desperate.
in many respects the vaccines is being used as a distraction
We had the mink story yesterday too, I guess that was supposed to up the ante.
https://www.euractiv.com/section/coronavirus/opinion/the-biggest-challenge-for-covid-19-vaccines-is-the-cold-supply-chain/
According to this 2/3rds of the global population will have problems as will not be able to store the vaccine at the required -80 degrees. The logistics are bewildering. Freezer farms will be needed.
Greta will be upset. All that energy needed to do this…
I’m sure that she’d rather people just died of C19 than use up so many of the world’s precious resources.
Yes and I’m not quite sure how this squares with the climate emergency agenda?
What’s the effect of injecting a substance that’s -80 degrees into living tissue?!
Pfizer said that once taken out of the containers the vaccine must be kept unfrozen for one day at 2-8 degrees C or a max of two hours at room temperature.
’These freezer farms’ consist of a multitude of nearly 2 metre tall cuboid shaped freezers set at -80 Degrees- capable of holding millions of doses of frozen COVID 19 vaccines to promptly ship them across the world’.
Funny that none of these logistical matters are being discussed ……
so what happens to the vaccine if it is not stored under the recommended temperatures? Does it make is ineffective – anyone know?
Sounds a logistical nightmare to rollout to everyone under strict conditions.
Hypothesis: this vaccine is designed to induce a cytokine storm immune response when the body is exposed to COVID 21 when it is released?
That seems to be the general consensus among the sceptical.
Seeing as vaccines are the topic of the day, I thought I’d post this to remind us all about Pandemrix. Barely a decade ago. Article from the BMJ, not a “questionable” source.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/wp-content/uploads/doshi-2018-Pandemrix-vaccine-why-was-the-public-not-told-of.pdf
Thanks this is great information.
Note: Narcolepsy can’t be fixed – it is percent brain damage
Did Boris have that vaccine, by any chance?
They also hid the fact Pandemrix had significantly greater adverse reactions than any of the other almost identical vaccines
Do we know whether this happened on Vallence’s watch when he was at GSK?
As a retired bobby it pains me to witness the absolute idiocy of the West Mids police, if they haven’t had enough time to get their heads around legislation that’s now months old they should be disciplined immediately. I think the person removed from the store by the police was ‘wrongfully detained’, that usually triggers a compo claim. From my experience I wouldn’t settle for less than £1200-£1500 for the embarrassment and distress caused in front of the store staff and other shoppers. They won’t learn until they feel the financial pain. I’ve also seen bobbies forced to visit people and make a direct apology, only accept if you’re allowed to film it.
Has anybody had ANY success with challenging this nonsense in the courts? I see it everywhere. Can’t believe that nobody has taken it all the way.
The rules have not changed, we are talking about the Equality Act 2010, they’ve had 10 – repeat 10 years to get their heads around it. The joker doesn’t even know what an arrestable offence is, the poor guy could only be arrested if he didn’t provide adequate name/address for the service of a summons.
The problem is that when Governments make Legislation in haste they repent at leisure. The regulations are ill thought out, unenforceable according to the CPS and will result in police forces across the country paying out thousands in legal/compensation costs.
I get what you are saying. I’m asking of anyone has tested any of this shit in the court.
In my experience, most bobbies are dealing with imbeciles 95% of the time so can get away with saying what they want as it won’t ever be challenged. This is different. You only have to read this site to understand just how many very well informed people there are standing up for themselves. I can’t believe there isn’t one person who hasn’t taken it to court.
I’m sure I read somewhere that most of the Covid summonses have been thrown out of court.
The rules or guidance or whatever it is, is constantly changing.
It is wise to decline any fixed penalty notices and opt for a court summons to pay. It acts as a deterrent due to the paperwork it creates and so far the CPS are reticent to take the cases on because of the high chance of losing and paying costs because of the “reasonable excuse” flexibility.
I resist saying it, after seeing recent videos of numbskull behaviour – but I feel a bit sorry for unprepared fuzz trying to cope with the nonsense imposed by government, even if a few of them are sharpening their inbuilt fascist instincts.
we need to direct primary blame where it belongs – and that’s at the upper echelons who are capable of pushing back.
Between you and Mike C, two refreshingly balanced posts.
I don’t have much sympathy for police officers. However, I don’t think people calling them paedophile protectors will do anything to get them on their side. Reasoned non hostile debate is the only way to engage with them.
our sie*
They will never be on our side they are a bunch of self serving corrupt porkers
You’re right about directing blame but there’s absolutely no excuse for sending unprepared footsoldiers either. Having said which, if they were properly prepared, they’d know it’s a waste of time to bother the informed.
i don’t suppose you’d be prepared to give some general advice as to how best to handle any such situation ?
Thanks for posting that Mike. It was the attitude of the policewoman that really got to me – she certainly should be disciplined in my view. My cousin is a serving policewoman, and I would be shocked beyond belief if she spoke to anyone like that.
Yes. It’s really quite astonishing that the police force is unaware of legislation which has been available to all and sundry since March.
There seems to be a logical fallacy regarding the vaccine.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
The vaccine works by injecting some of the RNA from SARS-COV-2.
This RNA fragment infects some cells.
This triggers the immune system, causing T cell activation and antibody generation.
This vaccine is administered by an intramuscular injection (I presume)
The cells that will be infected will be muscle cells, there are dendritic cells in the muscle tissue. These will trigger the maturation of T cells. Whether B cells will be triggered to produce antibodies is open to question.
If a person is exposed to SARS-COV-2, then the virus is removed by phagocytes in the mucus membranes. The dendritic cells are more numerous in the mucus membranes. The dendritic cells will trigger the T cells significantly faster as access to the lymphatic system is quicker from the mucosa than it is from muscle.
if the vaccine works the same way as the virus itself then why is vaccination more appropriate than being exposed to the virus? The vaccine is effectively the GBD.
In elderly people their immune system is more likely to trigger inappropriately leading to the problems associated with CoViD19. Won’t the vaccine potentially have the same effect?
££££$£££
“why is vaccination more appropriate than being exposed to the virus? “
Bluntly – because there’s no £££ to be gleaned from simple exposure and non-panic.
… especially if you’ve already bet the farm on selling a vaccine.
I heard Pfizer representative on ClassicFM news saying they had not been able to test the vaccine for long term effects and different responses depending on age. Presumably most test subjects were not the elderly and sick.
The government has said it is prioritising the elderly and infirm in its vaccination strategy.
Your final comment makes this strategy very worrying.
What do they call ‘long term’?
Ask the thalidomide children about long-term effects.
The CEO, interviewed on CNBC said the cohort was aged 12 to 80. However, none were immuno-compromised. It is only 7 days since the second dose, from what I recall. I seem to remember someone on here some months ago (Guy?) saying there might be an issue with cytokine storm after the second dose of an mRNA vaccine. There needs to be much more data, and I think the FDA has said it wants to see two months’ clear safety data before making a decision.
They said that when Trump was in the White House; things might have changed with Biden in charge.
Seven days since the second dose and they are already out trumpeting their success to the world? Are you joking?!
I know, if we thought science had plumbed the depths this year, this is a new low. We are about to witness the greatest genocide in history….because science.
28 days after the first dose, the second dose was given, and there was 90% efficacy after 7 days. I went back to double check – I watched the interview, and here is the write-up:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/09/covid-vaccine-pfizer-drug-is-more-than-90percent-effective-in-preventing-infection.html
Which perhaps suggests that the announcement was just a way to engineer a share price jump and an early pay day — because, due to narrative collapse velocity and a struggle to produce even a mediocre but safe seeming offering, it’s unlikely they’re gonna get to the big pay day now.
Very nice train of thought there.
Great way for them to get rid of the rest of the elderly and infirm
Got to reach Ferguson’s target only 450k to go
Great question
I had a read up today .. the difference is the virus RNA injected by vaccine cannot reproduce in cells
Could it be because there won’t actually be any infected cells, in the respiratory tract and lungs, to be destroyed by cytotoxic T cells, therefore no significant damage to endothelial cells and consequently no damage to lungs.
However, it doesn’t rule out an overreaction of the inflammatory response or clotting disorders.
The Fountain
Don’t say, don’t say there is no water
to solace the dryness at our hearts.
I have seen
the fountain springing out of the rock wall
and you drinking there. And I too
before your eyes
found footholds and climbed
to drink the cool water.
The woman of that place, shading her eyes,
frowned as she watched-but not because
she grudged the water,
only because she was waiting
to see we drank our fill and were
refreshed.
Don’t say, don’t say there is no water.
That fountain is there among its scalloped
green and gray stones,
it is still there and always there
with its quiet song and strange power
to spring in us,
up and out through the rock.
~ Denise Levertov ~
That’s beautiful. We always have that within us.
The problem with vaccination is not the ideology of people who asked informed and reasonable questions – as they ought – but of informed consent to which all citizens have a legal right, at least in this country. Evidently, the coercive atmosphere which is being drummed up grotesquely infringes people’s right to make informed decisions. Nor, at any point in the last year have we had great reason to trust any of these people, as it happens. In the case of Jonathan VanTam he has a Big Pharma background and when all this started he was supposedly Deputy CMO for Emergency Planning and Pandemic Preparedness (which was the biggest fiasco ever) and Tom Jefferson indicates he was also implicated in the earlier swine flu fiasco of 2009.
https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2017/12/06/tom-jefferson-the-uk-turns-to-witty-vallance-and-van-tam-for-leadership-revolving-doors/
But it is ordinary people who have to pay and are corralled. I hope the product if they use it is a success and does not cause harm.
Reading the replies to Sikora’s Tweet…ok, there are plenty of counteracting sceptical comments, but from people who presumably follow Sikora, I’d have expected a lot more sense…
https://twitter.com/ProfKarolSikora/status/1325796996620439552
“Mandatory for me. If it works you will have half the country walking around protected the other half free to continue the spread How does that one work then…..”
“Yeh that’s the thing, if we can protect the vunerable/high risk then in turn that slows everything back down and regains control in hospitals and care homes again.”
(that “we” again)
“There was a time when people felt a sense of public duty. In order to eradicate this illness, which strikes the immunosuppressed with particular severity, people must understand how important it is to have it to protect not just themselves. There is an obligation.“
“I would have it without a doubt. I don’t want the virus or get it to anyone. These vaccines are tested so much. There are so many regulations before they give it to the public.”
This is just the start. There is going to be a propaganda blitz unlike anything witnessed in history about this vaccine, and it is going to get extremely ugly. Be prepared for a shitstorm a thousand times more intense than anything we’ve experienced so far.
And notice how the “obligation to do this to protect others” argument that was so successful for masks is being recycled for the vaccine. As predicted on here by many contributors.
A glimpse into the work of Michel Foucault in The Birth of the Clinic
‘States could originally only control people through violence or threats of violence…. gradually new forms of knowledge developed which enabled states to control people in more effective ways – and medicine plays a key role in this. It helped to develop the idea off surveillance…… gradually the state could withdraw from having to punish and coerce the mass of the population, as they learned to do this for themselves…..’ Haralambos & Holborn (2008)
Foucault’s understanding of the development of health and medicine was prescient – he would be turning in his grave to see how busy we are now creating new categories of ‘ill’ people who are not infectious but policing themselves and others.
Great find.
“The first task of the doctor is … political: the struggle against disease must begin with a war against bad government.” Man will be totally and definitively cured only if he is first liberated…”
Michel Foucault
Paid shills!
So why aren’t any other vaccines mandatory then? Presumably they think they all should be.
Also, does it strike the immunosuppressed with particular severity? I thought obesity was the biggest factor, although if you equate old age with immunosuppression I suppose that could be true.
It’s only been tested on healthy people. And they are giving to all the old unhealthy people first
It’s only a mask, it’s only a vaccine.
It’s only our freedom
My one-word reply to all that kind of stuff is “Thalidomide”.
Posted before but worth doing so again. JB Handley’s book is brilliant about the vaccine industry and the unhealthy relationship between it and the the public health blob. A real eye opener with lots of data to back things up.
How to End the Autism Epidemic: Revealing the Truth About Vaccines
https://www.amazon.co.uk/How-End-Autism-Epidemic-Revealing/dp/1603588248
I waited with baited breath for some incisive and investigative questioning from our MSM this evening and all we got was the usual trite quizzing. The BBC correspondent really went for the jugular, ‘Prime Minister, how potentially important are the vaccine results today?’
Another condescending Update today – here comes the choo choo train!
I really resent being spoken down to to like this by two buffoons. It’s inappropriate and it is not funny.
They speak to us and treat us as if we were 5-year-olds. It’s one of the most infuriating aspects of the whole thing. Bubbles, hands face space, logos and slogans and play your part and you must you must you must. If they spoke to me like a competent adult I’d be much more likely to listen.
Yes, and then you get the also-rans and jumped up nobodies taking their cue – doctor’s receptionists, for example. It’s difficult not to snap.
Not specifically directed at you, TT, but why the fuck watch or listen to these clowns in the first place ?
Pedant alert! “bated breath”.
Here, here!
I am 58 and have now spent more tham 1% of my life under the covid regime.
More than 10% for my 6 year old daughter. Criminal.
And the toddlers and babies who know, or remember, nothing except a world of faceless zombie ghouls.
Probably on here loads today, apologies, been at work, in an office with 30 other people after a nice trip on the train!
So…just as the government lose the public completely and people ignoring lockdown and seeing through the lies, we have news inundated by the US election which takes the heat off the Buffoon, then we have a vaccine! Just sooooooo convenient!
And we have millions pre ordered and ready for Xmas just like that! FFS what a load of tosh. They would have known this weeks and weeks ago, it is all about the timing.
Now the buffoon can really save Xmas and ride in the hero!
You couldn’t make it up. What is the cost of the 40 million vaccines then? Of which 99% of people don’t need them, 50 quid a go, 100 quid a go, more?
How many government staff or relatives have invested in the company in recent months? Who is making the money from our misery?
Hate our government and I used to vote for the conservatives at all elections. Hate them and will vote for anyone but next time.
Watch yourselves at the protests…
https://twitter.com/JasonD60/status/1325450064953798656?s=20
Undercover filming.
So the piper planned it all?
I’ve maybe missed something. But the filming was post incident and what he seems to be saying is that if he did not turn towards the Cenotaph then they would never have had a reaction that enables them to go to the Cenotaph later. I don’t know for sure. But you cannot plan for a copper to push you over.
I think you can plan for a physical reaction, though. I don’t know what his objective was, but if you suddenly move towards the police line like that they can surely only either jump out of the way (not in a month of Sundays) or give you a good shove to buy time and physical space. I doubt the piper was expecting a hug.
Amazing how many people – even on here, a site supposedly meant for those of a sceptical nature – couldn’t see it was a set up.
I guess we are all somewhat susceptible to confirmation bias and the more fatigued and frustrated we become, the less likely we are to question.
Very fair comment. But we all have to try to have our antennae out for this sort of set up.
In my view, the ‘fuck the police’ threads on this site late on Sunday failed that test.
I must admit that something didn’t sit right with me when I first saw it, but couldn’t put my finger on it, and everyone else seemed to think it genuine.
I watched it several times. I thought the piper was definitely provocative but the policeman pushed him unnecessarily hard.
Yes, probably fair – pushed him a little bit too hard.
But our of the blue that policeman was practically assaulted, and the atmosphere was a highly charged. If he pushed back just a little bit too hard, well maybe we need to allow him a bit of slack. If someone walked into me like that I’d certainly give them a good shove.
I also thought the piper went over a bit easily.
I also think to to use Remembrance day to push a set-up like that – if that indeed is what it was – shows a disrespect to the Fallen.
First time I saw it I was horrified, second time was not so convinced and thought something seemed wrong … to eventually concluding it was probably a scam, confirmed by subsequent news.
It was obvious that he set out to provoke the police,it doesn’t change the fact that he pushed him over instead of kneeling.
The other side are playing dirty
I don’t have too much problem if our side plays a bit dirty too
If we are violent, it will give them the excuse they need to bring in martial law. We must stay peaceful and resist passive aggressively.
The army are on the streets already.We are being acclimatised to their presence.When the economy finally tanks the government won’t need an excuse.I think that’s the plan to bind the army to government policy.
There aren’t enough soldiers in the British army anymore.
Being evil, they might try to import some of course.
Yes, my thoughts too. A lot of people would actually believe that. I’d like to see them out there on the front line.
Is someone interfering with this website? It’s slowed right down….
That’ll be GCHQ because of all the vaccine “fake news” on here!
Yer I noticed that….I refreshed and it got better
There must be a business opportunity with all of these COVID wrongful detention/harassment cases, can we not find a sceptic lawyer and start a no win no fee COVID compensation site? The 25% fee from the compensation that’s going to be claimed over the coming years is going to be a huge amount, could we crowdfund the start up costs? LOL
I’d be up for this…
So would I …
Also for all the delayed and necessary medical treatment .
We need to obtain litigation insurance for the costs protection of litigants .
Usually need counsels opinion on prospects of success based on one or two lead cases.
Can we set up a working party on this?
My view is cases of legal wrong to individuals are more likely to succeed than JR
The silence from the ‘human rights’ lawyers is deafening.
We’ve seen old folk pushed over by Police, peaceful protestors kettled, GCHQ and 77th Brigade involved in covert state propaganda, introduction of internal borders, the army brought into supervise a civilian population, illegal refusal by Police of food retail services and virtual house arrest for millions. Haven’t heard a peep out of Liberty!
Daily totals inflexions 21350 deaths 194. Lockdown wins again .
I see Kier Starmer still banging on about 1,000’s have died because Boris didn’t do the “circuit breaker” at 1/2 term. Well the Welsh figures show just how effective that might have been, as ineffective as every other non-pharmaceutical intervention.
See Ross Clark’s chart below.
to Keir Starmer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWJjpLP08e8
Well said!
Sorry, I just couldn’t stop myself.
Last month a rather obscure BBC report revealed that the Government had code named the Pfizer product “Ambush”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-54375643
OMG, just to make the bleedin obvious even more obvious
Do academics make good things bad and kill granny
What do accademics actually contribute/produce/ help society?
Academics are the virus.
We certainly have an epidemic of epidemiologists. They seem to thrive in certain environmental conditions e.g. under hot studio lights or in spacious loft conversions.
academics talk shite constantly, life functions without their contribution
academics are the fucking virus, they contribute nothing…..
and can we get rid of the fucking ”direct to your box” banner – its shit, makes midges look friendly
“Professors have theories like dogs have fleas.”
H. L. Mencken
Panorama. Vomit inducing, propagandist, fear porn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoCYYVmDbMU
Surprise surprise, city of London
https://www.greenfinanceinstitute.co.uk/events/green-horizon-summit-the-pivotal-role-of-finance/
“The Green Horizon Summit will be a key milestone en route to Glasgow COP26.It will bring together leaders of finance, business, government and civil society from around the world for a progress check on green finance for the Great Reset; and to showcase innovative finance solutions to accelerate industry’s net-zero transition and for nature-based solutions.”
Prof Klaus Schwab, Founder and Executive Chairman, World Economic Forum.
The comments are a delight!
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“Hell is empty and all the devils are here” – Shakespeare
I’m seeing many usually sceptical sources seem to be generally welcoming the vaccine (non scientific – just a finger in the air).
Let’s do a straw poll here – would any of you willingly take this vaccine? Under what circumstances? Do you think the vaccine is a “good thing”?
Never,under any circumstances.
No.
No
No, as others have said, experimental 90% vaccine vs 99.9% immune system, easy winner.
Absolutely – even at the age of 65.
No.
I’m an ex-GP.I have had all the usual vaccines- tetanus, polio, pertussis, hepatitis B etc. My children had all the suggested vaccinations, my grandchildren ditto. But an m-RNA vaccine (never before tried)? No, no and no.
That’s good enough for me. No.
(It was No anyway.)
I am still (probably just) a practising GP- I will not be having it &, if we “have to” give it to patients, I will be absolutely giving them the facts so they can make a fully informed decision with print-outs from Mike Yeadon, Malcolm Kendrick & the BMJ.
good for you !
Thank you for being ethical. I’m a huge NO on the vaccine.
Completely agree. I’ve had many a vaccine which made perfect sense to me. My children had them all. I even went out of the way to get a BCG privately for my younger son when they’d stopped doing it on the NHS but I will not have this one. My husband is of the same opinion and so are our adult children. It’s inadequately tested and the dangers of the illness do not merit taking a risk.
Absolutely not
I wouldn’t willingly have it. However, I think every one of my friends and family (with the exception of my 80 yo mum) would fall over themselves to get to the front of the queue.
The covid vaccine is a terrible idea. All the coercion to get us to take it is just wicked. How can it be a good thing?
Nope. I won’t have a flu shot either, never have. I had too many vaccines already and i wish I never had the Hep B (or C)? one, I am sure I have suffered from “liver ache” ever since.
Never, up to and including sacrificing my life to avoid it.
The dystopian hell that awaits the vaccinated will be far worse than death.
Well noticed.
No vaccine for me.
An effective vaccine is neither necessary nor possible – read Sucharit Bkakdi’s book ‘Corina False Alrm’ to understand.
The reason so many normally sceptical people are welcoming the news of a vaccine is because they too are desperate for a return to normality – they are only human.
It is wishful thinking.
In that case they need educating, and fast.
How ??
I don’t think it can be done, Rosie (which is not to say that it shouldn’t be attempted). I believe that the majority of people will suspend disbelief and trust the Government if it means that they don’t have to think for themselves or accept that life involves risk. Personally I do not expect there to be large numbers of vaccine injuries (though I see no reason to chance it myself) and I am more concerned about the symbolism of the masses accepting this scam intervention and embracing authoritarianism. If adults do not value their liberty or recognise their rights over their own bodies then I doubt anything will change that now.
No vaccine for me under any foreseeable circumstance, and especially not an mRNA vaccine
Mentioned it earlier but this video Sucharit Bhakdi did warning about taking a covid-19 vaccine is brilliant. One to show any relatives or friends who might consider a vaccine to help with their decision.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uo2KGiSjrw
A complete no for me and also husband.
Noticed a local vicar welcoming it such wonderful news etc etc
Not happening
No is the short answer.
No, not for me but I have no real problem with people who have been shielding receiving it as long as someone sits down with them and goes through the risks.
More generally we need to address the issue of whether respiratory disease vaccines create opportunities in old people’s poorly functioning lungs for potentially dangerous novel pathogens…I think they probably do and many scientists think SARS got a hold because the flu vaccine created such opportunities.
Even if these respiratory vaccines worked well, what does that mean for people in their late 80s? What will they now die of? Most likely septicaemia or Alzheimer’s -neither to be strongly recommended.
Both my parents died of respiratory diseases having had severe dementia. At least they were not in excruciating pain. I don’t wish death on anyone but after a certain point there is very little if any quality of life and a lot of suffering.
No.
No
Not the way they’ve done it. No.
In five years time, if it proves to be safe and if I have any serious health issues at that time
Nein.
No. Under duress. No
Definitely not, and I’m alarmed at the number of skeptics who are welcoming it as a way back to normality.
Nope, not even if I get kicked out of university for “selfishly putting the safety of the community at risk” or whatever.
No. No. No.
No way!
No
Many thanks all! No from me also.
Not suprising results, but I think I needed to hear it explicitly.
I won’t be taking it but if enough of the sheep want to then fine, that’s their choice. IMO it’s only a good thing if it’s not mandatory and enough of the zombies take it to herald a return to normal (proper normal, not any ‘new normal’).
I won’t be having it for many reasons
Above all it’s experimental and rushed out in a panic by people following agendas, so I don’t trust it
Secondly what it’s immunising against isn’t that dangerous
Thirdly I have had some health problems in the past that I don’t want to disturb. If I get the virus, so be it, but I am not going to go looking for trouble
Lastly a certain amount of sheer bloody mindedness to not want to follow the narrative
I would reconsider in a few years based on (honest, if there is any to be had) data
Nope. I started getting the flu vaccine a few years ago when my late husband was going through chemo (more to protect him than me) but I don’t have that incentive anymore. Even if I did I don’t think he would have wanted me to have it!
Not this new one and not the flu vaccine either. Prefer to take my chances
nope – i’ll “Save the NHS” £12.50 – my contribution to the greater good and humanity!
No. I will not have it.
OMG https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-joe-biden-says-challenge-facing-us-over-covid-19-is-immense-and-growing-despite-new-vaccine-hopes-12128662
Masks. masks, masks
fuck off
In fact its gotten so bad there’s no way they could rerun any if the election votes.
It’s pure psychological torture.
Brilliant 65 billion face nappies and all the crap they are made of LET RIP into the environment.
Where’s Greta and her concern for the environmental damage being done by discarded face nappies?
“We cannot repair the economy, restore our vitality, or relish life’s most precious moments – hugging a grandchild, birthdays, weddings, graduations, all the moments that matter most to us – until we get this virus under control,”
Well played Democrats you can’t fix stupid. Prepare for the misery inflicted on us Europeans.
Todays data on Hospitalisations, bed occupancy and deaths by UK nation.
Yet Boris & JYT are still telling people to be afraid,very afraid.
Because they are very, very afraid they got it wrong. Where do get your informative charts from Nick.?
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/healthcare the governments website!
Thanks Nick – odd how they don’t want to share their own charts at their presentations.
The latest sign Zip Tied to a lamppost in blue and white
“Make way for oncoming people”
Positioned on a lamppost where a wide pavement meets a narrow pavement
I can provide photographic evidence if required tomorrow!
Yes please
OK – Will post tomorrow evening!
Break it.
I might turn it round so that those on the narrow path have to make way to those on the wide path.
Ordinary scissors make short work of zip ties.
I would invest in a small pair of cable cutters personally.
Simply tearing these down is an attractive option as it’s quick and gives a pleasant frisson of violence against the lunacy. But I would ask you to consider putting in the time and resources to work out how you might subtly deface or alter – ‘improve’ – such things. Your efforts in devising clever pisstaking will likely gain a much greater audience and go much further in undermining the official busybodies.
so apparently we are in the middle of a pandemic… yet here they are creating a digital currency. why? because the end result of all of the joblosses furlough and economic collapse brought on by unprecedented government spending is for us all to be put on Universal Basic Income. paid by the government just for being alive – but of course everything you do will be monitored and your credit cut if they don’t approve of your thoughts/actions. see how it is in China with the Sesame Credit System. this is why UK Gov are creating a digital currency – same as USA and EU – oh all at the same time too, in the middle of a pandemic. There’ll be a goodly amount of tax to pay to fund it all. £17,000 per UK head spent so far by UK Gov is one figure I heard. Trapping the nation in debt to become Universal Basic Credit slaves.
The government will provide you with adequate and safe accommodation while you are working away from home on essential recovery projects, basic but nutritious food will also be provided. You will be able to bring with you a small holdall with some toiletries and one or two personal effects and your documents.
Transport will be provided.
We would like to thank you for your service to your community and your help in reconstructing this great nation of ours.
*Payments may be witheld if you fail to render yourself for your mandatory work detail when requested.
And don’t forget it will be no jab, no pay. The perfect system of coercion.
Forget politics, law, morality, common sense and decency. All of these things have been blown away in the nuclear blast that is Covid-19. We are on our own.
My calculation is £391,000,000,000 / 32,300,000 income tax payers = £12,100 per tax payer.
Only 40% of tax payers are net contributors to the systemn
Check mate when you add vaccine/ digital passport.But it is all just a cover for incompetence.
People can see the scam but there is something stopping them seeing the bigger picture
Consent* – Letter from Liverpool Council: UKColumn pointed out that the use of * following ‘consent’ in the aforementioned letter may be a means to redefining ‘consent’ to mean something which is not commonly understood. What does consent* mean?
Yes. It was worrying stuff, especially given the usurped powers of the 1984 Act.
https://www.ukcolumn.org/ukcolumn-news/uk-column-news-9th-november-2020
Apparently, six billion facemasks are being used and discarded worldwide every single day, each one made of microfibres and microplastics.
These various elitist population suppression schemes can’t come soon enough if the planet is to be saved.
Good article here on the extra dangers from microplastics caused by the belief in magic facemasks.
https://off-guardian.org/2020/11/06/face-masks-a-danger-to-our-planet-our-children-ourselves/
And contaminated with the plague as well. What if a kid was to lift one of these rags? Their face would fall off
I think it would very much help to blast this article in the face of every eco-lefty and social justice type we can find.
Also, wouldn’t it be deliciously ironic to have it confirmed that covid or long covid or whatever is dramatically worsened by breathing in microplastics?
The long-term effect will be a surge in lung cancers that will make smoking look like a healthy exercise. But it will be long term.
God help the children whose lungs are being blasted right now.
Wow. Today’s cases and deaths “with”look good. That lockdown business is a gem. I am really sorry that Dorris did not get the excel spreadsheet early enough to announce in his lord Haw Haw broadcast earlier today.
Less than 200 today. Terrific stuff. Of course they won’t all of been in the last 24 hours. But let’s not quibble. All hail Dorris Johnson. All Hail.
At this rate Sir Whatshisface Stephens won’t need a very big order book in a couple of weeks.
Evening all! Latest pod episode is here (and mentioned in today’s round up) all about the great PCR test epidemic (that never was) in the states 2007.
ENJOY!
https://therealnormalpodcast.buzzsprout.com/
https://twitter.com/FrancescoLari/status/1325864042938953729 “It looks somebody is making a mint of money on the stock market because of a press release done without any real data.”
Echoes of Thalidomide.
If we replayed 1962 now, GCHQ would be sending the Sunday Times presses haywire and the 77th Brigade would be busy scribbling letters to the newspapers defending Distillers!
I was born at the height of the Thalidomide tragedy, fortunately my mum did not take the drug, others in her maternity ward did with sad results.
Just received condescending email from the Nationwide building society,another organisation that is working hard to ‘keep everybody safe’.
A couple of the highlights,
As the UK heads into winter with high infection rates and tight restrictions, we want to make sure you know about all the support we can provide.
A couple of things to watch out for
1.We’ve further strengthened coronavirus prevention measures in our branches with additional screens to protect our members and colleagues. But please still wear a mask.
2.We’re continuing to limit the number of people who can go into our branches at any one time to help us maintain recommended safety and social distancing measures. So, you may still need to queue outside – something to bear in mind as the weather turns colder and wetter.
Thank you for your support in helping to keep your fellow members and our colleagues safe. Let’s continue to take care of each other.
Pass the sick bucket please !.
I notice no mention of mask exemptions and I love the fact they are happy for their customers to stand outside in the cold and wet,especially considering a lot of them are elderly.
Please add Nationwide to the list.
I got the same email earlier swiftly followed by pressing delete. I was talking about this earlier in general a year ago getting such appalling treatment from businesses would have been unthinkable but now for most people it seems to be acceptable.
I help a lady who is 93 years old. She is still able to take herself into town, and chooses to visit her bank. She is made to stand outside on the pavement in a queue – and NEVER has she been offered a chair by any of the arrogant little nobodies who ‘police’ these queues. She is too shy and nervous to make a fuss. I’ve never been with her – you can bet I’D make a fuss on her behalf!
Same thing outside a well known high street bank here in North London.
Old lady almost bent double made to stand outside until my Mrs went in to the branch and made a fuss for her. These people are a disgrace.
At least they are keeping us all safe though [puke].
Even the Graun is taking the oojah out of the press conference:
Bugles, shootouts, trains? Covid vaccine hopes prompt strained analogies
If Monday’s Downing Street press conference had been a jug, and the tortured metaphors had been water, the cleaners at No 10 would have needed to get the mops out afterwards. Here’s a selection of the most strained analogies served up by Boris Johnson and the deputy chief medical officer for England, Jonathan Van-Tam:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/09/bugles-shootouts-trains-covid-vaccine-hopes-prompt-strained-analogies
The Guardian stopped guarding us about 50 years ago and started persecuting us. They love masks and lockdowns. This is a wet dream for them.
I posted yesterday.
The Guardian died in 2013.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jan/31/footage-released-guardian-editors-snowden-hard-drives-gchq
Well said, and 100% agreed
Astonishing, especially that last bucket of puke from Van-Tam. Who the fuck do these people think they are talking to? Bloody five-year-olds?
Exactly. If the Graun is shooting holes in the rhetoric surely it is now untenable.
Indeed, they know they’re in trouble now and the vaccine news was an ideal distraction from the rising scrutiny over LD2.
I thought that too. It was patronising drivel.
VT also referred to the second wave. There is no second wave. Why are these people allowed to lie and get away with it?
A new article by Ioannidis not yet peer reviewed discussing shielding of carehomes
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.01.20224147v1.full Precision shielding for COVID-19: metrics of assessment and feasibility of deployment “The best shielding was seen in South Korea (S=0.07) and modest shielding was achieved in Israel, Slovenia, Germany, and Denmark. No shielding was achieved in Hungary and Sweden. In Belgium (S=1.9), UK (S=2.2) and Spain (S=3.1), nursing home residents were far more frequently infected that the rest of the population.”
Isn’t it a terrible cruelty to “shield” people in care homes – at least those near the end of life – from the touch and embrace of their loved ones, likely the only people who really understand them? Of course we must protect care workers.
I agree one hundred per cent. People should only be protected if they choose to be. Of course, there are the helpless for whom a decision must be made. But how unspeakably cruel to deny anyone the comfort of human contact at the end of their life.
Protect care workers ?!
What are your plans for protecting them from lightning strikes ?
When taking a walk today as I was doing errands a thought came to me: what the mask issue really concerns is the right to breathe. This is a massive issue which has barely been mentioned and definitely not put forward as a central point of attack. No regime in history has ever arrogated to itself the control of your ability to breathe, unless it had already placed you in some sort of imprisonment. This should become the core of the attacks. If, as likely, Biden’s anointment as president survives legal challenge despite the manifold evidence of fraud which will emerge, he will not be seen as legitimate by many and eventually most as the facts will percolate out despite the propaganda regime now in place.
This is important because he is pledging total lockdown and masks everywhere, even driving the motorway. Some of his acolytes such as the demo-fascist Washington governor Inslee are even suggesting that masks should be worn in your own house or flat. Thus, as the facts reveal, the nouveau regime in yankeeland does not even recognize your right to breathe.
And this will pave the way for similar brutal mandates worldwide.
Anyone who voted for Biden – you are responsible for this.
I get people who don’t like Trump, even though I think he has his good points.
But I don’t get what Biden has that’s so much better, and for any sceptic he is surely a disaster.
It’s full speed ahead for Covid totalitarianism, the Great Reset, Woke on steroids and the abolition of the Constitution (starting with the first and second amendments).
If you live in the USA, all I can say is: “Welcome back to Europe”.
He doesn’t have the mandate for it given the strength of the republicans in other areas. Biden got the most popular votes ever. The second most popular votes ever was Trump. So its not a question of republicans just rolling over. Think of the battles ahead.
I think there’ll be hell in America under Biden.
I posted yesterday that his new transition website is buildbackbetter — nothing more to be said. We’re screwed.
They cannot change the Constitution without a big majority in the Senate/Congress. Sorry, can’t remember which (or if it’s both).
Biden and his collaborators are a disaster on steroids. Trump is not perfect, I don’t know him, but he would have bought us (will buy us) time
to stave off them pesky globalists. I’m no expert, but I would be happier if Trump was in.
me too, no way am i wearing a mask[ or getting a vaccine poison ] so glad trump followers will not obey
Remember the ‘Two Minutes’ Hate’ in Orwell’s ‘1984? Every day for two minutes people become hysterical and scream abuse at the telescreen images of the disgraced politician Emmanuel Goldstein. For four years, a similar level of hysterical hatred has been directed by the media at Trump. The only attraction of Biden for them is that he is ‘Not-Trump’.
All those dead people who voted for Biden – it’s their fault.
Biden has won nothing yet. Current state of play has Trump 232, Biden 226, with at least 7 states in play. The press calling Biden the presumptive 46th President are spreading dangerous conspiracy theories… Biden is behind; shouldn’t he give up gracefully?
I like to think that the red states will resist.
Exiled – I agree entirely. It’s a new form of totalitarianism. No longer Marxist-Leninism but Maskist-Lockdownism.
Land of the free no more.
Masks at home was always the direction of travel. When it can’t be proven to work, it’s masks all the way to the moon.
Thats why it’s not about health.
Interesting development. Mitch McConnell has changed tack, and is now openly encouraging Trump to push for recounts. Comments on the article are interesting – view is he is pretty cautious and wouldn’t have done this lightly:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/mcconnnell-backs-trump-push-recounts-says-shouldnt-accept-election-results-media
Well expressed, thank you.
I agree, and I see masks and also vaccination as the critical issues here.
When I even see someone in a mask I have to take a deep breath. It makes me think of the “I can’t breathe” protests as well.
Who thinks that was a co-incidence ? Just so convenient …
She was very pro Brexit…maybe its too hard for her to work out that Trump was pro Brexit too and that Biden will not exactly prioritise the UK in a trade deal. She can be ok but I find her manner increasingly irritating and think she is rather full of herself. Prefer Mike Graham or Dan Woottan.
I think they are effectively lying about the Liverpool testing regime. They are giving the impression it’s a turn up once test. It ain’t, it can’t be as there would be no point. I heard an expert say some time ago they wanted everyone to have twice weekly tests. Think of a single mother part time hairdresser with three kids and a parent who’s ill trying to incorporate twice weekly queuing for tests.
This is insane. Scousers are no fools and are obviously keeping well away from testing centres. But I bet as well they will be staying away from GPs and A&E. This is going to create a lot more Lockdown Syndrome deaths and they won’t be “on the Covid side”, you twit Twhatty.
why the fuck would you want to go for a test if you are not ill and have no symptoms, its shows nothing, just that you didnt have it at 5.25 today, you are more likely to catch it at the testing station off the goons shoving something up your nose, in the same way as you are most likely to catch in a hospital. Adverts all day on the radio in a scouse voice urging you to get tested for yourself, your family and your city, then followed by a scavenger advert for youtr antibodies to save other and another advert for joining the vaccine testers. For Fucks Sake can we have something thats not CV related. The money being made by these fucking drug companies and SERCO is off the fucking scale
Turnn off your radio and play some music, or listen to an audiobook instead!
Here’s the Broadgreen International School testing protocol:
“If consent is given pupils will be tested twice over a period of about 10 days for COVID-19 as part of a national pilot. The results will be fed into NHS Track and Trace. Individual results will also be held by the school and provided directly to you.”
National pilot?
Typo.
Ought to read ‘national plot’.
What actually is the test for?
Fear porn?
Control?
Psychological manipulation – any other possibilities?
More ££££ for their pals and less for us.
Above all else it’s to keep the figures from going down and thus keep the fear porn going.
Yes. You can’t have a ‘casedemic’ without tests. If they can’t say for sure that more people are getting it, they can’t produce scarey graphs with predictions of millions dying by Christmas.
Lockdown Logic No. 1: We’re worried that people may needlessly die because the NHS is overrun so we are going to let people needlessly die so that the NHS is not overrun.
Started watching “Paddington Station” on Channel 5, but had to stop as it’s a new series from this summer and all the fuckers are wearing masks.
Yes, saw last week’s episode and it looked like a carefully disguised facemask commercial. I gather tonight it is to be followed by a similar programme about Kings Cross, wonder if that will be the same. I usually enjoy these train programmes but the masks are a definite turn off.
Bummer. I like these programmes too but these bloody masks give me the creeps so I won’t be watching.
I watched part of last week’s and gave up for exactly the same reason and then took it off series record. Shame as I too like railway programmes having been brought up in a railway family.
At least there is still the Yesterday channel showing railway programmes from the time when the world was still sane.
Someone may have already pointed this out but given that 70-80% of people exposed to SARS-CoV-2 are asymptomatic, the magic vaccine could contain nothing more prophylactic than tap water and they will still be able to claim success.
Just lower the Ct threshold on the PCR and Bingo … the vaccine works
And that’s before you factor in the survival rate! They have positioned themselves very cleverly to make pretty much any claim they like. If you bought the narrative in the first place that is…
Perhaps explain the extraordinarily low infection and death rate in Africa. This is not a disease affecting everyone the same way. Why so high infection and death rate in South America Indian regions(another study, please)?
https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)32310-9/fulltext
High prevalence of pre-existing serological cross-reactivity against SARS-CoV-2 in sub-Sahara Africa
“High prevalence of serological cross-reactivity against SARS-CoV-2 in pre-COVID-19 pandemic plasma samples from sub-Sahara Africa.”
“Pre-COVID-19 pandemic plasma displayed strong reactivity against other human coronaviruses.”
“Exposure to other coronaviruses may induce cross-reactive antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in sub-Sahara Africa
Low SARS-CoV-2 infection and disease in sub-Sahara Africa(SSA) appears to correlate with pre-pandemic serological cross-recognition of HCoVs, which are substantially more prevalent in SSA than USA.”
The region has an overwhelmingly youthful population. No other explanation is necessary.
Uganda average age 16, Nigeria average age 18
Brazil average age 31 Peru average age 31
USA average age 38 UK average age 40
Italy average age 46
Genetics will affect the impact of any disease including this one, as well as diet, lifestyle and nutritional status.
Today’s UK Column was very strong and worthwhile watching. It covers a lot. About ten minutes in it covers the NHS, worthwhile watching from the start in my opinion.
https://youtu.be/UMn56nPDCEY
(Probably already posted below, sorry I haven’t checked)
Not on this site, because I only started posting recently, but on others that were up and running in March, I predicted that this virus would miraculously vansh soon after the November US elections if there was the ‘right’ result. Now right on time we have the miracle vaccine for a non-existent deadly virus.
My wife and I werein Thailand from Jan, mixing freely with hundreds of thousands of Chinese tourists in Bangkok. Many from Wuhan on direct flights. We drank and eat in China town. We stayed in Thailand for 3 months, everything was normal, everybody was living as normal. Then mid-March the US sent out the signal that everything was to change, lockdowns, no flights etc etc. We quickly ‘escaped’ back to 2 months of house arrest in France
I told everyone I could about our experience and that it was manufactured. I said that it was designed to crater the US economy and affect the election, nothing else had worked.
I don’t think most believed me, perhaps they still don’t.
Now one week after the election we get the miracle vaccine to rescue the world, just as predicted.
Its BS of course. It could be tap water, but who cares, it will be the foundation of the health passport, the means of the end of worries, of the dread of the killer virus. Some of us might care, we might fear what all of this means for freedom, rights etc. But the vast majority will pour scorn on us, we are ‘mad’ we are the insane ones. The majority will embrace the lie.
In the end so will my wife and I because in our few years to go, we want to visit our son in Colorado, we want to travel, so we will take their poison pill and shrug, and say to ourselves we do not believe, but we will go along with it, because the alternative is to be prisoners in our own house.
It looks like they rigged the election, which they could have done anyway – the whole world didn’t have to lock down to acheive that. And I don’t see China and Russia going along with the charade just so Joe Biden could be president. I would also add that nothing is over, we will be in some form of lockdown for months at least.
China has for sure. Russia just wants discord, doesn’t care who wins/loses.
Its over.
And if older people who take the vaccine start dropping like flies, will you be so keen to submit?
You can forget international travel as well, that is gone, forever.
(unless you can afford a private jet)
Tish. Apparently there are still dinghies crossing the Channel.
it is poison no way will i go along with it and i think many others feel the same way at least hope so!
Not a fucking chance am I submitting to a vaccine.
that’s the spirit ! me either ! and our best thing[ plus free no wonder they don’t mention it ] is your own immune system which they’re trying to destroy by telling people to stay away form everyone and not let you
breathe in healthy bacteria and viruses to get more immunity .
Well, my immune system had a good assault today. Clearing out a load of rat detritus in a very narrow roof space.
You seem to have dismissed the possibility of travelling without taking the poison pill. No point surrendering before they’ve even fired a shot.
Not sure if picture will show up!
As requested by Rosie
It does show!
Thanks, that made me laugh
PS It will only be visible to passing cats and Dogs soon!
And I will be watching very closely how compliant our furry friends are!
What are you supposed to do? Jump on top of the pole??
President Elect Bidet turns truth inside out:
“The goal of mask wearing is not to make your life less comfortable, or to take something away from you. It is to give something back to all of us, a normal life.”
Depriving you of oxygen and all human interaction takes nothing away if you are a demon.
Which Biden is, no question. This is a mandate straight from hell.
Gimme strength!!!!
Can’t be posted enough
Whitty Logic = measures taken reduced the virus in the first months – we didn’t wear masks
Hence due to Whitty Logic masks are not necessary.
Also Whitty Logic – masks are necessary
If only Whitty would realise he was Twhatty.
I really do fear for America now.
If Trump had won (assuming he has not) it would really only have delayed the inevitable for four more years. The problem with the Donald seemed to be that although he has/had popular support, he didn’t seem to have much party support and there didn’t seem to be any heir waiting in the wings. In some ways it might be for the best if he goes – he may actually be able to do more outside the White House than in.
You’ve been listening to the MSM. Republican Party registrations have risen hugely. If you remember back in 2016 most of the big RP operators hated him and said it. People like Cruz and Graham understand that if they lose this Presidential election they will never win another one. They simply won’t be allowed to.
People in the UK don’t understand quite how serious this is. It’s not a Westminster game. The Democrat power network is seeking total control of American society.
You should. Don’t believe the BBC “healing Presidency” crap. I don’t actually think Biden is that vindictive himself – he thinks everyone is as corrupt and corruptible as he is, and so isn’t much given to virtue politics. But senile Joe won’t be able to control what happens under his name. Jill Biden, his full time carer, will probably be the most powerful person in US politics until Biden is replaced by Harris some time next year, I think around September.
Exclusive GPs will be paid £12.58 per Covid vaccination jab administered – but will only receive payment after the second of two doses – as details are due today about the DES at the heart of the campaign.
https://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/coronavirus/gps-to-be-paid-12-85-per-jab-as-details-set-out-for-covid-vaccination-campaign/?fbclid=IwAR3hmlhvXi8GoGANOgDgY5QG5EBm4blpk9tAnCBvxOqTP9bo3EvA-X9MIYI
How GPs are going to administer vaccines over either email or telephone I will never know.
The GPs won’t do it of course… They’ll just get the money.
I wonder if the doctor will see you now
That’s another £188,700,000 that we’ll have to fund, on top of the £445,000,000 for the doses themselves.
Knowing my mask phobia someone just sent me a meme that gets it so wrong I’m so upset… there’s a hashtag in it that reads “wearingiscaring” – does this suggest I don’t “care”??! Let’s slip an extra “s” in there and start trending “wearingisSCARING” I’m at my wits end about abusive mask propaganda. I find it the most upsetting thing in this whole nightmare.
You’re right: Wearing is scaring, that’s the point.
You need to block the meme sender!
Same with anyone finding phobia teasing funny, don’t let them insult you.
Wearing a mask is submitting to the total enslavement and complete destruction of humanity, it’s that simple. Whoever sent this to you is evil.
If you think the mask propaganda is abusive, just wait until the vaccine propaganda kicks into high gear.
You need that person out of your life.
They are evil and wrong and stupid and you are not. They cannot take that away from you. Ignore them, or push back, as you please. You’re better than them, do not allow them to upset you.
I suffer similarly — lots of anxiety with mask wearing and even seeing people masked up. A good friend of mine was sending me similar memes early on and I had to tell her to stop. She and I fundamentally disagree on everything Covid and have simply agreed not to go there. Neither of us wanted to lose a 20+ year friendship and, so far, we’ve stayed respectful and friendly. But anyone who knows about your mask phobia and triggers you purposely, needs to be called out or worse. I’m sorry you were upset today and I completely understand. I’m already anxious because I’m taking an Uber tonight and will have to wear a mask. It’s my last time in the city before we move out for good; it’s my best friend’s birthday and we’ve been friends for 40 years so we’re eating out on a patio. I won’t see her again until the spring and I’m going to suck it up just for tonight. Crossing my fingers the traffic is light and I won’t have to keep it on for too long.
You could just point out that on the day masks became compulsory there was about 35k positive cases in the country. There are now over 500k.
You could argue that they help spread the virus using that logic.
The truth is you cannot stop a virus and all the measures taken haven’t made any difference.
Hi Neil!
Mask wearing is a reinforcement technique for a circular argument. It goes something like this:
Why do we have to wear masks?
Because of the pandemic.
How do we know there is a pandemic?
Because we have to wear masks.
So do I.
.
Spoiling the party today as regards the Pfizervaccine. The most in need, elderly, have never been included in trials
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2771091
The Exclusion of Older Persons From Vaccine and Treatment Trials for Coronavirus Disease 2019—Missing the Target
“Older adults are at greatest risk of severe disease and death due to coronavirus disease 2019(COVID-19). Globally, persons older than 65 years comprise 9%of the population,yet account for30% to 40% of cases and more than 80% of deaths”
“Our findings indicate that older adults are likely to be excluded from more than 50% of COVID-19 clinical trials and 100% of vaccine trials. Such exclusion will limit the ability to evaluate the efficacy, dosage, and adverse effects of the intended treatments. “
“If the older age group is excluded from vaccine trials, efforts to ensure effectiveness, titrate dosage or frequency, and assess adverse effects in the group most vulnerable to COVID-19 will not be possible”
“Some have argued that only vaccination of younger populations is needed to achieve herd immunity (67% level of immunity), and therefore, vaccination of older adults is not essential; however, the high level of immunity required, coupled with the fact that many settings (eg, nursing homes) are comprised nearly exclusively of older adults, highlights the imperative for their inclusion in COVID-19vaccine trials.”
This is true, but it implies that a real vaccine was ever envisaged, It isn’t. Its a placebo for the populace, it is the foundation for the end of the ‘terror’ promulgated by the media/governments , no more. Its not ‘medicine’ , its a psyops. Just get used to the idea. You have resisted an illusion. Now it can end, the WH is secure.
They need to get people eager to accept regular doses of vaccine security blanket. Once enough people do so willingly coercion will bring the rest. Then as Kissinger said it’s game over , they can start injecting anything and blame sudden outbreaks of mortality on new pathogens which will require yet more jabs. Everyone one else will go down slow with side effects from the adjuvants.
‘WH secure’ when US Electoral College / Supreme Court judgments are made. And not before.
Surprising to see so many on here following msm waffle.
I wonder if this will be picked up by the press? The blatantly obvious, that the vulnerable group should be the main focus of trials, has been conveniently side stepped in nearly every report so far. Good find.
Only the healthiest volunteers (guinea pigs) are ever included in vaccine trials. They have to ensure it doesn’t have crazy adverse side effects in young, healthy people before they even mess around with giving it to older and unhealthy people. If young, healthy people don’t do well in the trials it never makes it past that phase. I haven’t had a chance to look in depth at what was put out today, but two things popped out at me: 1) They claim it prevented infection in subjects believe not to have been exposed to the virus. There is no way of knowing for sure since antibodies fade quickly and these young, healthy people may have had the typical Covid experience and not even known they had it. They also may live in areas where there is community immunity and just haven’t been exposed since I don’t believe these were not challenge trials. 2) The guinea pigs may have t-cell immunity and, therefore, wouldn’t become infected anyway. I’m guessing this little detail was overlooked since all of a sudden the medical community has “forgotten” that there are different types of immunity.
France. Interesting to see the effect on the R factor by mask mandate indoors,outdoors,curfew and lockdown. Virus seems to be undisciplined
https://twitter.com/JohnDStats/status/1325878417007448070
I live in France. I know no-one who has had it, or knows anyone who has had it. I never see a testing centre, or people waiting for tests. but i do see terrified older people, and I see mask wearing younger people.
But eventually my wife and I will very reluctantly go along to the pharmacy to get our couple of ‘magic’ jabs to be allowed out of our house, out of our area, out of the country.
And all because the wrong person was in the WH.
Until the next vaccine required for renewal of basic rights. There will be one every 6 months at least.
One problem is, of course that the ‘R’ number is, anyway, a purely theoretical entity bred of dodgy data and crap models – and with the solidity of Scotch mist.
Everyday I feel more like Winston Smith.Last week T cells didn’t confer immunity.Now a vaccine which stimulates T cell response is the saviour of mankind.
The level of lying and darkness is not only not slowing down, it is increasing exponentially.
We have crossed the threshold into hell, I’m convinced of it.
ITN are even trolling us by saying if the vaccine announcement came a week earlier Trump may have won.
Orange man called it when he predicted “it’ll be over, lockdown, if they win”. (I paraphrase a bit, friends….)
Orange man don’t lie!
Was that Mad Moore? Always looks like he’s been let out of the TDS ward of the local psychiatric hospital. He was gibbering away on election night as though Biden had already won even as Trump was pulling away . Maybe he knew something.
Dear Richard, that’s what I feel too. This is so hard. I just don’t know where this is going. It’s getting really dangerous for us sane ones, if this insanity doesn’t eat itself or otherwise run out of momentum.
In my opinion it’s a form of mass hysteria. It’s happened before many times in history but this time it’s global.
The question for us is how can we end it, although the spell is clearly wearing off from the majority.
‘Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.’ (Charles Mackay).
It’s definitely mass hysteria. But is it natural or induced?
Induced. msm & SPI-B.
There is no debate and no dissent in a totalitarian society. This is the shock that I think a lot of us on here have still not fully adjusted to, because it flies in the face of generations of freedom in our respective countries.
Me too. I’m actually re-reading Nineteen Eighty-Four now and it’s uncanny.
Blind woman pushed and abused for not social distancing.
No comment necessary.
A very interesting article was recently published in Lancet that sought to understand which factors correlate, on a country level, with covid related outcomes. The study was observational, so it can only show correlation, not causation, but it can still give pretty strong hints as to which factors protect people from covid, and which factors increase the risk of being harmed.
Ok, let’s get to the most important thing, which the authors seem to have tried to hide, because they make so little mention of it. Lockdown and covid deaths. The authors found no correlation whatsoever between severity of lockdown and number of covid deaths. And they didn’t find any correlation between border closures and covid deaths either. And there was no correlation between mass testing and covid deaths either, for that matter. Basically, nothing that various world governments have done to combat covid seems to have had any effect whatsoever on the number of deaths.
Author: Sebastian Rushworth, M.D.I am a practicing physician in Stockholm, Sweden. I studied medicine at Karolinska Institutet (home of the Nobel prize in medicine). My main interests are evidence based medicine, medical ethics, and medical history.
That general lack of correlation with government interventions and impositions has been known for a long time – and from a variety of sources.
You are right, that correlation isn’t causation – but if there’s no correlation, then there’s certainly no causative relationship.
Ivor Cummings has a store of papers which show lockdowns have nowhere close to the impact they spin them as
http://www.tinyurl.com/LOCKDOWNSTUDIES
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404 with Ivor’s other link as well: https://tinyurl.com/LockdownsCostLives
Naughtiness afoot?
Well this couldn’t be clearer for me. This report calls for an Immediate enquiry into the Governments actions in 2020 but recommendation 8 outlines something that should see those with signatures on blanket DNRs be tried in criminal court.
“The blanket imposition of DNACPR notices without proper patient involvement is unlawful. The evidence suggests that the use of them in the context of the Covid-19
pandemic has been widespread. The Court of Appeal has previously held that there is no legal requirement for the Government to implement a national DNACPR policy.
However, the evidence suggests that the absence of such a policy has, in the context of the pandemic, led to systematic violation of the rights of patients under Articles 2 and 8 ECHR. The systematic nature of this violation means that it is now arguable that the Government is under such an obligation. Whether or not the events of the pandemic have changed the nature of the Government’s legal obligation, we consider it would assist in the protection of patients’ Article 2 and 8 rights if the Government did now set out such a policy.
Such a policy should make clear, amongst other things, that DNACPR notices must never be imposed in a blanket fashion by care provider”
https://committees.parliament.uk/work/218/the-governments-response-to-covid19-human-rights-implications/
Am I correct that ECHR will not apply in this country from 1st January 2021?
In which case, all the government has to do is stonewall this for another 6 weeks.
No. Not correct. Totally different treaties. We will still be part of ECHR. ECHR is an effective condition of EU membership but is not part of the EU treaties.
Thanks for clarifying. I am surprised. Mind you, what difference do any of these declarations make when a government can piss all over them any time it wants?
I think Putin’s Russia is still part of the ECHR which tells you everything you need to know about the effectiveness of international human rights treaties.
It’s good honest cultures that create human rights, not treaties.
Hi bebop, also from norn Ireland. We received a phone call from my dad’s Gp, on a Sat morning just prior to lockdown asking if we would consider a DNR as they were reviewing case files. He is still at home with mild dementia. We refused of course, but in retrospect was quite sinister.
So have the valiant BBC Reality Check fact-checked the appellation “President Elect” being applied to Creepy Corrupt Joe Biden by their BBC colleagues on the corporation’s News website? Any fule know it’s only the Electoral College and no one else who makes one of the candidates “President Elect”. So should be an easy call for them to slap down Sopel, Bryant and Zurcher.
Writing the above reminded me that back in 2016 there were swamp creatures who said there would be nothing wrong in electors voted in to support Trump switching their allegiance to Clinton on the basis that Trump would undermine the constitution.
Response from BBC: The facts have been subjected to Propaganda Compatible Reprogramming (PCR) testing and found to be 100% true without side effects. It is well known that we have facts for all occasions. Thank you, goodbye.
You mean: “We got it about right. ” – to quote the BBC’s favourite phrase.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoCYYVmDbMU&t=21s
1:32:07 Is where the magick starts on this WEF video
Wake up.This is the future they have planned for us.It is no longer a conspiracy when they tell you what they are want to do.
A hideous green future which serves as the pretext to enslave us all.
The road to utopia with be paved with bones as usual.
After watching the council covid response panel meeting, one thing I took away from it.
Everybody involved does not any any real understanding of the wider issues surrounding covid outside of their very narrow job roles.
The councillors who had no specific job roles were just useless. The
brainwashingPR lady who handled “the messaging” still thinks she works for Vodaphone pushing out PR for a new call package.The lib Dem councillor…well she is something else. She loves the face nappies. An absolute……
Seriously what a bunch of Charlies.
How odd. Joe Biden gets declared President Elect by the MSM. A couple of days later Pfizer issues its hallelujah vaccine press release and BBC presenters start wearing broad idiot smiles declaring everything will be back to normal in the Spring. To be fair while Emma Barnett was wearing the grotesque smile, Deborah Cohen as so often on Newsnight provided a balanced report. Strange she hasn’t been sacked yet.
As for the Pfizer trial it involved a staggering 94 (possibly fit and healthy for all we know) people.
If anyone at the BBC is smiling, then we are in serious trouble.
At least we can be confident that all of the idiot presenters are going to be thrown under the bus with the rest of us. They think they are in the elite, but they are not.
Indeed as Uncle Joe once said of some comrades, they are “dizzy with success”.
Matt Frei on Channel 4 News looked positively ecstatic like a witness to the Miracle of Fatima reporting from DC. The best lol moments are when they interview the Dem propagandists and they describe their guy – apparently an accomplished centrist, full of integrity, brilliant negotiator, will stand firm against the Chinese and N Korea, defender of minority rights, lucid, engaging etc – and, as Matt or whoever nods along you’re thinking “WTF!”.
Matt F has always irritated the hellout of me, he nearly always has had a smirk on his face
Useful Idiots was Lenins phrase
Embarrassing journalism fail: ABC deletes ‘fake news’ tweet attributing traditional UK bonfire night fireworks to Biden win
https://www.rt.com/usa/506220-abc-fireworks-biden-mistake-bonfire/
Lol. Why? They lie about everything else.
I have a feeling they knew full well it was fake news when they published it. The retraction of a story never gets much attention and the original would have been viewed by millions.
Don’t forget the stock market angle – a fair amount of blood on the carpet last week, nice little dip,oil tanking, get in, and up 5% today. Kerching!! I commented on the vaccine below, it could be tap water and nobody would be the wiser. Not only that, they would be able to claim 100% safety and never face a payout or risk bringing vaccines into disrepute.
Vernon Coleman’s latest video got me thinking:
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/how-the-coronavirus-has-permanently-destroyed-health-care_kwZO73zRatSupLc.html
If we take the approximate spend for the NHS as £130 billion per year and there are 70 million people in the UK, that works out at over £1.8m per person.
WTF!!!?
Apologies, that’s wrong.
It’s actually over £1800 per person.
Still, it’s an interesting video though!
In my defence, the original figure was not a calculation.
It was just a scenario.
That’s all right then. Yours, Patrick
What a hero Dr Coleman is.
You can see the emotion at the end of the video.
This is what a real human being looks like.
I think this is the most depressed I’ve been since March. It’s almost as though the latest news about an effective vaccine has just cemented the Covid suppression narrative. Journalists covering the news did not question the press release in any way – the fact that pharmaceuticals have a track record of misrepresenting facts, the immense profit that is riding on a Covid vaccine, the desperate scramble between pharma companies for track position, the lack of any independent analysis of data to cross check their claims.
I read or listen to the news and cannot find any relief from this malaise, other than this website. But it is painfully clear to me that all of the arguments presented here are lost – the government is not listening. The opposition parties even less so. I am constantly hearing talk of ongoing restrictions and changes to human interaction extending ever further into the future.
I wonder if the only way out of this is for a new political party to win popular support to challenge this awful version of the future. I’ve heard Farage has formed a party to challenge lockdowns, but nothing seems to be happening fast enough or earnestly enough. And I’m not sure Farage is the right person anyway – he polarises opinion too much; lockdown opposition is going to come from all sides of the political spectrum as socio-economic damage from these policies grows.
I have a fairly poor understanding of political process, but one imagines it might be possible to attract Tory rebels, and probably even some Labour rebels, to the cause. As we get deeper into this mess, and the damage mounts, more politicians will start to realise that one way or another we are heading for a seismic event. If enough Tory MPs defect, could they not then trigger a no-confidence vote in the government, given the guaranteed support of all the opposition parties? There might then be a chance of forcing an election, and the British public would finally get to have a say on the kind of future they want.
Beyond some wild scheme of that kind, I genuinely fear we are locked in for the long haul, and heaven knows what damage will be done before the country puts this madness behind it.
If the Covid-19 agenda goes all the way, life will not be worth living. It’s that simple.
No one is coming to save us. Every institution you can think of at local, national and international level is fully on board with the dystopian nightmare being constructed around us.
As for our fellow citizens, if they are not already rabid, zealous cult members then they are too ignorant or lazy to perceive what is being done to them. Which in terms of the end result amounts to the same thing.
I have given up trying to rationalise this. We are in hell.
But why? Why would they want to live it? Surely there must be thousands in the NHS, military and police that want their ‘normal’ life back? They cannot all buy the ‘we’re doing this for your own good’ propaganda?
I think a l lot of the people we see walking around have “gone”. They are not who they were before this year. NPCs in every sense.
Anyone I have contact with can’t or won’t see it. Anytime I try to warn/ inform them I’m either met with pitying smiles, or left feeling I’m a scaremonger trying to ruin their little head in the sand lives. It’s too far fetched, too conspiracy, too scary. They go on following the rules, and will do even up to a microchip, thinking it will end soon, life will go back to normal.
For me, I have to find purpose in a life that looks like it will be increasingly restricted, still in shock that this has happened at all and
hoping maybe it will pass, or be defeated.
There will come a point very soon when all such people will have to be abandoned to their fate. Indeed having contact with anyone who has been vaccinated will be extremely dangerous. Think Invasion of the Body Snatchers.
In some ways I have as I don’t want to be around wittering planks talking about how many people have got covid, ” isn’t it awful”. But I am very isolated in my stance having no one who thinks as I do. They are like pod people, but ultimately we share their fate too, having not enjoyed the ignorance of not being aware of an evil undertone. This website is a real blessing for those of us in “pod land” alone. Sorry for not being more upbeat, usually I can get above it but sometimes the compliance really gets to me. Moan over
What about seeking out a group local to you, Bailie ? KeepBritainFree/StandupX/SaveOurRIghts etc.
Will do, but from Northern Ireland and haven’t found one yet
That’s a very moving description of what life has come to for those of us who are awake to the ‘evil undertones’ as you put it. I’d not thought of the believers as being better off in their ignorance before ….
Looking after my grandchildren is my salvation. The morning was spent on the beach with the 3 yr old building sandcastles, trying to answer tricky questions about how deep we would have to dig to get down to water. (he had heard about this somewhere).
This afternoon was spent inside a huge cardboard box we had made into a bin lorry. Playing with them and seeing the world through their eyes is the perfect way to forget the outside world with its compliance and lies and I just wish their future was in my hands not this technocratic nightmare I see ahead.
I am glad I am already 58. I have had a damned good life really. I can’t complain, although another ten years would have been good, while I’m still physically in fairly good shape.
So, I expect I shall withdraw to books and nature as long as that is possible, although I have always enjoyed meeting people, that won’t reall be possible any more in the way that it was.
I don’t think we’ve seen the end of the ‘big events’ though. I think we’re just getting started.
We always win. Sometimes it takes a while.
It sounds simplistic, and it’s not easy, but try to stay positive. Observe the signs of normal life all around you, there are plenty this time around. Nobody is locked in if they do not wish to be, this country as a police state in its current form would be laughable.
My career is hanging on the edge, so I’m under no illusion as to the severity of this situation in terms of economics and stability. But over the past few days I’ve met up with friends, taken my kids to play with their friends and even been out for drinks! You mustn’t let them consume you.
Normality will win because it is what most people really want. That is a fact.
I’ve been trying to follow that course for a while now, but I feel like a fraud, just going through the motions, fiddling as the Rome of our freedoms burn, whether we watch or not.
I keep hoping if I voice the worst of my fears then they can’t happen.
Me too, but the reality is too difficult to ignore. I have a 13 yr old and he was fine all through home learning and the summer, but being at school now is clearly impacting him – constant messaging about obeying the rules and not putting others lives at risk is taking its toll I think. He’s also suffering in other ways – all his extracurricular activities are essentially dead for the foreseeable.
It doesn’t make you a fraud at all. My cousin and I met in London on Saturday with the intention of ‘exercising’ into a protest that didn’t ultimately materialise.
We were disappointed so went off to Southbank to have a few pints instead. As we stood there among the bustling crowd, we realised that what we were doing was ultimately a very effective form of protest in itself. We were part of demonstrating that the so called ‘lockdown’ means nothing at all.
Stick with it, behaving normally means a lot. I’ve seen so much normal behaviour over the last few days that I’m sure we are going to win now. I’ve had some low moments over the last few months.
Thank you LL for your upbeat message.
Are you new here Archie?
Only been on the comments a couple of times, but have been reading the column for a good while. Only thing that’s kept me sane…
Er so you choose to come on here now with that very long depressive screed after virtual silence. Sorry don’t buy it.,it’s v rare I would say for people to announce their depression like that. That sounds much more like disruption to me,
Are you the lockdown sceptics version of a Covid marshall?
Grow up.
Because you care, you are part of the solution.
Don’t let the bastards grind you down!
Nigel Farage is certainly the wrong character to lead an anti lockdown party, for a start he threw us under the bus during the first lockdown which he fully supported and was out banging his pan every week. He is very divisive and will roll over to backing the Conservative party if they ever soften their stance.
Better backing the Libertarian party https://libertarianpartyuk.com/ or Heritage Party https://heritageparty.org/ they both seem to believe in freedom far more than Farage who will just become a hate figure for the left and remainers.
90% v 99+% ( for most age groups). That’s all you need to know. ‘Just do the math’. But then again, there’s no accounting for stupidity, as everyone on this site knows.
Getting ultra paranoid here. I’ve never been on Twitter, I’ve just closed my FB account (apparently it’s still active for 30 days
).
Please can you recommend a safe search engine (I currently use Google – but not logged in)? Cheers A
Brave broswer and duck duck go is a good combination
and if your really paranoid nordVPN and protonmail
and if your really really paranoid
TOR net and an onion browser
Good recommendations. Surf Shark VPN also seem good.
Much appreciate.
Thank you, I shall check these out
Proton also do VPN.
as above… I use surf shark vpn.. I also use duck duck go and start page and various addons in firefox to further anonymise me.. but no doubt I’ve fucked up somewhere and they can see who I am. Winston Smith. Afraid of rats.
Thank you
The Telegraph is full of pro vaccine propaganda today such as –
‘Vaccine hope for fans return – but will season be over before it is widely available?’Adding Covid-19 vaccine records to a digital health passport may fast-track the return of crowds to the Premier League next year
Of course when we said this would happen several months ago we were called ‘conspiracy theorists’ and got lot of stick from the trolls in the Telegraph comments section.
Also pretty sickened by all the sucking up to Joe Biden – he is very corrupt, creepy around women and children and mentally declining. Yet they are saying he is the new JFK. Are they serious? glad I cancelled, and hope a few more readers will.
It’s going to take more than a daily shot of Adrenochrome to stop Creepy Joe’s brain from turning into Emmental before next summer.
He is obviously just being used as a vehicle to get the equally suspect Kamala Harris in power to completely destroy America for the New World Order.
Is that what they used for the debates?
Exactly. In what sick, twisted world is it acceptable to push mandatory, universal distribution for an experimental vaccine that has barely finished its first trial as the condition for “returning to normal”?
The Telegraph, like every single other MSM outlet, is not on our side, and never has been.
Had a bit of hope for the Telegraph a few weeks ago. They seem to have gone full Biden / vaccine propaganda today. Biden’s mask speech today was pretty sickening and I can’t believe a ‘Conservative’ paper wouldn’t call out such virtue signalling nonsense. Fox news is equally dreadful.
Sadly I expect the Guardian will be campaigning for mandatory vaccines as its readership don’t seem particularly interested in personal freedom and liberty any more.
The vaccine propaganda will be wall-to-wall in MSM for months on end. I’m expecting a massive internet purge as well, which in all probability will include this website.
The propaganda campaign was started months ago and I agree it will only get worse. The Deep State says we can’t question vaccines (and neither can medical professionals), all very sinister. I expect this site will be safe and most interesting content regarding Covid was censored weeks / months ago on YouTube / Facebook.
I don’t care if the Covid fanatics take the vaccine, just don’t want it forced on me / or have a ‘health’ passport. Now believe the whole thing is a scam not opportunism.
Digital/health passport tied with Digital currency is the end of freedom as we have known it.After we are all on UBI due to the collapse of the economy the government decides whether we eat or not.
Think the Soviet sphere of influence – USSR and its satellites. All mass media in the UK is essentially globalist but they are allowed to follow their own paths as long that suppresses populism. The Telegraph argument to the politiburo in Moscow or Davos or wherever would be that they do everything they can to promote globalism eg through their Pfizer vaccine propaganda but objective local conditions mean they must oppose more lockdownism unless it leads to a populist revolt led by Farage or someone else,
I think we understand that but they are on the side of the Tories and as we know there is a substantial Tory rebellion re lockdown.
“he is very corrupt, creepy around women and children and mentally declining”
… a sort of Trump Mk.II then?
What a load of crap.
There’s not the slightest evidence that Trump is a paedo, he has no trouble getting very attractive much younger women and clearly isn’t senile.
Your distinctive feature is that you complain about commenters being party political and then exceed them tenfold.
My comments about Trump certainly aren’t ‘party political’. They’re just observational – about a profound idiot who shouldn’t, in any party, be near a position of power, whatever the opposition.
Beyond that, it’s irritation at the amount of diversion going into focusing on the inadequate who is Johnson’s spiritual brother when we are facing massive issues here.
Trump does have a very questionable business history with bankruptcies, we know he likes women, never seen him act creepy like Biden around children, he rambles sometimes but seems sharp mentally and physically for his age.
“we know he likes women”
That’s a good thing!
Yep,another conspiracy theory becoming fact.Its beginning to look like this was all a ruse to get us to accept our zero carbon future.
Looks like Annie has won today’s likes competition:
375 Annie
356 Ceriain
348 Richard O
337 calchas
307 Sceptic Hank
It’ll only encourage her …
Who gives a flying F Mabel? Or is this judged to be good disruption wherever you are based?
I welcome a bit of light hearted distraction tbh!
Really? Think I’ve noticed you before wading in with supportive comments for other disruptors. Most people here aren’t po-faced. We have our fun but we are focused on the task at hand which is to stop us going any further down the dangerous path our leaders have told us we must follow. I am personally boycotting this Mabel Cow nonsense and if “she” posts again I will encourage others to boycott the disruption.
When did you join here Mabel and why the unhealthy obsession with this ranking site? Do you post about anything else?
Sometimes we must unfortunately say thinks that others do not ‘like’, but even those things have to be said.
You don’t have to be a Biden fan to see that the amount of Trump worship and election conspiracy rubbish on this site is doing the 77th Brigade’s job for free.
Put away your party preferences and read Bidens speech on mask wearing.
Both candidates are heavily flawed and probably too old.
Trump could have opened up the country months ago and spoken out against the State imposed tyranny like he originally said but didn’t, also disappointed he caved in on the masks. He also cut taxes for multinational businesses who despise him whilst not doing much for the poor who often voted for him.
However Biden is pro mandatory masks, compulsory vaccines and harsh lockdowns so I believe he is the worst of 2 evils as a lockdown sceptic.
To be honest Trump has been greatly constrained by states’ rights.
THere is no doubt in my mind that Trump was to be preferred. In a rally in North Carolina on October 23rd he said:
“Normal life will fully return”
I can’t imagine those words coming out of the mouth of any other western leader.
Yes, I know he has made problematic vaccine statements, but I have to give him the benefit of the doubt, as there is no question that he was the better choice.
Bear in mind also, that those forces that hate Trump the most are also those forces pushing covid for all it is worth.
Trump is an impediment to the forces riding the Covid scamdemic.
BS. I’ve seen no evidence of Trump worship here. He’s a flawed human being. What we are seeing on our MSM is Biden worship as if he is a fully functioning man in his mid fifties when he is clearly senile, because people who aren’t senile don’t forget their wife’s name, their opponents’ names this time round and last time round, which city they are in and a key part of the constitution of the USA.
Trump’s instincts on Covid have all been right and Biden’s all wrong.
Covid cult
Trump cult
Both cults.
One is a cult – the other a substituted 3rd letter.
Let’s see, what is the attitude of a worshipper? Maybe this:
2016-2020: “The 2016 election was stolen by Putin. The American electoral system is horribly vulnerable to corruption, which is the only explanation for Trump winning. We must now [ab]use every element of the Constitution to remove the president. To that end, we solemnly put our faith in Mueller for months after it’s become clear he’s got nothing, and then in a trinity of aging hookers under the tutelage of the ‘porn lawyer,’ and then…, and then…”
Now: “The USA has an electoral system that is incorruptible. Only a lunatic could allege otherwise. In a mature democracy we must all accept the outcome of the system.”
Near future, if the legal process goes Trump’s way: “This is literally fascism! No-one can have any faith in this evil system that has just demonstrated structural racism! It will be totally understandable if rightly angry people riot through every city in America [nudge].”
Is it an act of worship to point out rank and extreme hypocrisy and intellectual incoherence? I should have thought democracy depends on the ability and willingness to point out such things in the conduct of the powerful.
‘Whataboutery’ is always the mark of a lost argument.
“Is it an act of worship to point out rank and extreme hypocrisy and intellectual incoherence?”
Not at all – it’s a good description of Trump.
Now – how about sticking to the knitting?
“The industrial-technological system may survive or it may break down. If it survives, it MAY eventually achieve a low level of physical and psychological suffering, but only after passing through a long and very painful period of adjustment and only at the cost of permanently reducing human beings and many other living organisms to engineered products and mere cogs in the social machine.”
Theodore Kascyinski.
Another author in a similar vein (minus the terrorism) well worth reading is Dmitry Orlov.
Yes. Old Ted (possible MK-Ultra subject) hit lots of nails on the head, despite the amateurish terrorism.
I like Orlov’s comparison of the West to the Soviet Union in the late 80s, and I agree with him that we are actually in a worse position.
The Five Stages of Collapse and Shrinking The Technosphere were great reads at the time, and are even more relevant now.
Amazing isn’t it. They didn’t exist a few weeks ago, everyone was succeptible. Now they’re our only hope.
Nice.
Meanwhile there has been no update to the JCVI priority list for vaccination since September, which has at the top old inmates and workers in care homes, closely followed by the over 80s, and so on down the age range. I bet there aren’t many of them in the trial volunteer group. So how is the likely effect being assessed?
The wild virus does seem rather prone to setting off a severe auto immune reaction. I don’t fancy my chances with a vaccine any more than I would catching it, at my age (well over 70).
The piece also says that the extraordinary pandemic conditions mean there’s no point in doing the usual sort of cost benefit analysis. Like they don’t for any other part of this omnishambles. I wonder if it’s been decided whether it makes sense to immunise the over 80s with dementia against flu? If so, why not make the same analysis for CV19, how hard can it be?
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/priority-groups-for-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-advice-from-the-jcvi-25-september-2020/jcvi-updated-interim-advice-on-priority-groups-for-covid-19-vaccination#fn:1
The bit with the brigadier in full camo was beyond ridicule. First you lick the plastic spatula, then you put it up your nose? No thanks.
All that for a test allegedly with a 50% error rate, you might as well look in the mirror and toss a coin, or am I missing something? Apart of course from your chances of picking up some trace of the virus off the squaddie or your eager fellow citizens as you wait impatiently in the queue. Pure pantomime.
T cells have been totally disregarded, nonsensical hogwash, just as ‘herd immunity’ was basically tin foil hat nonsense. Now, magically t cells are our saviour, induced by a mega bucks vaccine. I’ll stick to my natural immune system, thanks.
Van Tam – another one up to his neck in conflicting pharmaceutical industry interest.
Data manipulation.
If you listen to the BBC they will tell you that a further 532 people died of Coronavirus today, they will report it as a massive increase, the highest since whenever. It’s absolute nonsense.
Look at the detail of the 2 charts both taken from today’s latest figures released at 6:18pm: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths
The true picture is of falling deaths. These deaths have come from all over the past 2 months. This is so scandalous on the part of the government & the BBC.
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