Labour Calls For National Lockdown
When Labour leader Keir Starmer last week questioned whether local lockdowns were working because 19 out of 20 had failed to reduce cases we should have guessed it was the local bit he was taking issue with, not the lockdown. Tory lockdown rebels heroes had been wondering out loud why Labour kept criticising the Government’s measures but then supporting them or abstaining, and now they know. It’s because they think they don’t go far enough.
Unhappy northern Labour council leaders likewise are not complaining about their areas being locked down per se. They’re complaining about being singled out and treated differently, and about the level of financial support. Many would be happy with another national lockdown with generous handouts.
So Keir makes his move. Seeing the opportunity to outflank the Government by siding with the SAGE scientists (who, it emerged on Monday, called for a national ‘circuit breaker’ lockdown on September 21st) and with public opinion (which continues to favour stronger restrictions, though by a shrinking margin, and often not so much in practice), the Labour leader has come out in favour of a two week lockdown.
The plan is backed by Graham Medley from SAGE and Matt Keeling from the Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Modelling (SPIM), who claim in modelling to be published later today that between 3,000 and 107,000 deaths could be prevented by January if the Government imposes the measure. Talk about a confidence interval!
The Spectator has published the full text of Starmer’s statement.
The number of Covid cases has quadrupled in the last three weeks. Cases may be doubling as quickly as every seven to eight days. There are now more people in hospital with Covid than on March 23rd when we went into national lockdown. And while the number of cases is rising more sharply in some areas it is increasing across all regions of the UK and in all age groups.
We know from bitter experience and great personal loss where all this leads. Three things are now clear: the Government has not got a credible plan to slow infections. It has lost control of the virus. And it’s no longer following the scientific advice.
The SAGE minutes from September 21st – published yesterday – underline this. They warn that: “A package” of “stringent interventions” is now urgently needed. SAGE also says that: “not acting now… will result in a very large epidemic with catastrophic consequences.”
They warn that: “as in the first wave… the burden of a large second wave would fall disproportionately on the frailest in our society [and] on those on lower incomes and Black, Asian and minority ethnic communities.”
Among their recommendations is a ‘circuit breaker’, a short period of national restrictions that SAGE believes would bring the R-rate down and “re-set the incidence of disease to a lower level”. SAGE’s advice is that this could set the “epidemic back by approximately 28 days or more”.
They’re very clear that: “The more rapidly these interventions are put in place the greater the reduction in Covid-related deaths and the quicker they can be eased.” The Prime Minister has not acted on this advice.
Doubling every seven or eight days.
Now where have we heard that before? That’s right, on September 21st when Witless and Unbalanced presented us with their Graph of Doom predicting nearly 50,000 cases per day by October 13th. How’s that getting on?
Absolutely nowhere near. There were 17,234 cases yesterday – roughly a third of the predicted amount – and the trend has been almost flat for a week. The Government has claimed it was the introduction of the Rule of Six on September 14th and the 10pm curfew on September 24th that has kept numbers down – the latest iteration of the “cases down, lockdown working, cases up, more lockdown needed” strategy that can never be wrong. Why then are the most restricted areas the worst affected? And why have cases started to fall in Spain without closing bars or imposing harsh lockdowns? They can’t answer that question, but neither do they seem to care anymore.
Looked at by specimen date, the curve is even flatter (note that the last four days will go up in the coming days). Has it “quadrupled in the last three weeks”? Three weeks ago on September 22nd 4,926 “cases” were reported, so the number has trebled not quadrupled in that time. Is it now “doubling every seven days”? A week ago 14,542 “cases” were reported. So it’s gone up by 19% in the past week and appears to have slowed down. Where is Keir getting his data from as it doesn’t appear to be from the Government?
Maybe “cases” will shortly start going up again, but that is no excuse for misrepresenting the current situation. Are they likely to though? Here are the positive rate curves for the UK, Spain and France, with little sign of runaway growth, so you’d have to bet against it.
Starmer continues:
In the last three weeks [Boris has] introduced two sets of far less stringent restrictions – one on September 22nd, one yesterday. Both times the Prime Minister has promised that his measures will control the virus and drive down the R-rate. But we now know this is not supported by the evidence.
We also know that SAGE has concluded the £12 billion test and trace system is only having – in their words – “marginal impact”.
And we also know that in 19 of the 20 areas that have been under local restrictions for over two months infection rates have gone up, not down. There’s no longer time to give the Prime Minister the benefit of the doubt. The Government’s plan simply isn’t working. Another course is needed.
That’s why I am calling for a two-to-three week ‘circuit break’ in England in line with SAGE’s recommendation.
A temporary set of clear and effective restrictions designed to get the R rate down and reverse the trend of infections and hospital admissions.
This would not mean closing schools. But if this happens imminently, it can be timed to run across half-term to minimise disruption. But a circuit break would require significant sacrifices across the country.
It would mean only essential work and travel. That everyone who can work from home should do so. Non-essential offices should be closed. Household mixing should be restricted to one household except for those who’ve formed support ‘bubbles’. And all pubs, bars and restaurants would be closed for two-to-three weeks – but compensated so that no business loses out because of the sacrifices we all need to make. It should also mean the UK Parliament moves to remote working.
A circuit break would also provide an opportunity to reset and to rectify some of the mistakes the Government has made. In particular to get a grip on testing and hand over track and trace to local authorities. A circuit break will have to be accompanied by extensive support for jobs, businesses and our local economies.
He concludes by pledging his party’s votes so Boris could push the ‘circuit breaker’ through by overriding his own MPs (42 of whom voted against the 10pm curfew yesterday, including Graham Brady, John Redwood and Chris Green, who resigned as a Government PPS over his opposition to lockdown).
Politically this a shrewd move by Starmer, but it is disappointing for lockdown sceptics as it reinforces Boris’s message that he is taking the middle course between lockdown and “let it rip” and will probably result in him being even stricter – as well as Sadiq Khan playing follow-my-leader and plunging London into a completely unnecessary ‘tier two’ lockdown. Boris has already conceded that he will consider a ‘circuit breaker’ if his tier plan fails.
‘Circuit breaker’? More like ‘economy breaker’, ‘back breaker’, ‘hope breaker’.
Hancock Dismisses Great Barrington Declaration
Meanwhile, Health Secretary Matt Hancock in the Commons yesterday dismissed the Great Barrington Declaration and its strategy of focused protection of the vulnerable while building up herd immunity. He repeated the now standard counter-arguments, which appear to have become Government orthodoxy.
Some have set out this more relaxed approach, including in the so-called Great Barrington Declaration, and I want to take this argument head on because on the substance, the Great Barrington Declaration is underpinned by two central claims, and both are emphatically false.
First, it says that if enough people get Covid, we will reach herd immunity. This is not true. Many infectious diseases never reach herd immunity, like measles and malaria and Aids and flu, and with increasing evidence of reinfection, we should have no confidence that we would ever reach herd immunity to Covid, even if everyone caught it. Herd immunity is a flawed goal without a vaccine, even if we could get to it, which we can’t.
The second central claim is that we can segregate the old and the vulnerable on our way to herd immunity. This is simply not possible.
Steve Baker tries to have it both ways and says the Government “must find an alternative strategic plan between the Great Barrington Declaration and where we are today”, though offers no insight into what that might be. The Mail quotes Dr Mark Woolhouse, Professor of Infectious Disease Epidemiology at the University of Edinburgh, disputing Hancock’s points, though agreeing herd immunity is still some way off.
Prof Woolhouse said: “Going forward, we would expect more people to be exposed at some stage or another and that immunity would be important, whether natural or through a vaccine. Herd immunity is the way this thing ends, one way or another, it is critical to what happens to COVID-19 in the long term. Whether he (Mr Hancock) calls it a goal or not, it will end with herd immunity.”
Prof Woolhouse described the Health Secretary’s comments about it being impossible to segregate the old and the vulnerable as a “tremendous fallacy”.
“I don’t know, or how Matt Hancock knows, it’s not possible, we have to do it to some degree because those are the people who are at risk of getting seriously ill and dying,” he said.
“We should be paying much more attention to protecting the vulnerable and elderly. I worry that that statement is impetus to give up on the idea of protecting people who need protecting. I worry that fallacy is being promoted in this brief statement.”
Ross Clark in the Spectator ably counters the arguments against immunity.
To date, the World Health Organisation has recorded 38 million confirmed cases of COVID-19. In a search of medical literature, the Nevada team found five cases of documented reinfection. If infection with COVID-19 did not give the vast majority of us immunity from reinfection – at least for a few months – it is hard to believe that it would not be obvious by now, with vast numbers of cases being recorded.
It is nonsense for Hancock to compare SARS-CoV-2 to malaria, measles and Aids – they are completely different types of virus (malaria isn’t even a virus). And we do acquire immunity to flu as well as to other coronaviruses and cold viruses, which is why they keep mutating and appear with different strains with differing degrees of virulence.
Meanwhile, Nadine Dorries MP tweeted: “There is no such thing as herd immunity.”
There is no such thing as herd immunity.
Nadine Dorries is a Health Minister.
Vaccine Hopes Fade
If we can’t become immune through infection why do we think we can become immune through a vaccine? Does the Government not understand how vaccination programmes work? That’s the question it isn’t answering. There was, however, a candid admission from Boris Johnson on Monday that a vaccine may never come, a point reiterated by Chris Whitty later in the day. Responding to a question from Steve Baker, Johnson said: “SARS took place 18 years ago, we still don’t have a vaccine for SARS. I don’t wish to depress him, but we must be realistic about this. There is a good chance of a vaccine, but it cannot be taken for granted.”
So, er, shouldn’t we learn how to live with the virus then, just as we have with seasonal flu?
Reinforcing this message, Kate Bingham, head of the UK’s Vaccine Taskforce, told Sky News last night that the first wave of COVID-19 vaccines are unlikely to end the pandemic, and that uncertainties remain over how much protection they give and for how long. Sky then went to Professor Jonathan Ball, a vaccine expert at Nottingham University, who claimed “at the moment we have no protection against COVID-19 at all” and says antibody levels fall quickly after infection so if the same happens with a vaccine it may only protect for a month or two. Has he not been following the science on T-cell immunity?
Try telling that to the Swedes, Professor.
Meanwhile, WHO chief Tedros Ghebreyesus was also dismissive of herd immunity on Monday, labelling it “scientifically and ethically problematic”. The BBC has more.
Speaking at a news conference on Monday, Dr Tedros argued that the long-term impacts of coronavirus – as well as the strength and duration any immune response – remained unknown.
“Herd immunity is achieved by protecting people from a virus, not by exposing them to it,” he said.
“Never in the history of public health has herd immunity been used as a strategy for responding to an outbreak, let alone a pandemic.”
The WHO head added that seroprevalence tests – where the blood is tested for antibodies – suggested that just 10% of people had been exposed to coronavirus in most countries.
“Letting COVID-19 circulate unchecked therefore means allowing unnecessary infections, suffering and death,” he said.
Tedros’s comments came in the same week that the WHO’s Head of Emergencies, Mike Ryan, said they want to try to avoid “massive lockdowns that are so punishing to communities, to society and to everything else”. WHO COVID-19 special envoy David Nabarro also said on Thursday that: “We in the World Health Organisation do not advocate lockdowns as the primary means of control of this virus. The only time we believe a lockdown is justified is to buy you time to reorganise, regroup, rebalance your resources, protect your health workers who are exhausted, but by and large, we’d rather not do it.”
So they don’t want lockdowns, which are disastrous for humanity and especially the poor, but neither do they support herd immunity, which is supposedly too far off, despite all the research showing lower thresholds due to T-cell cross immunity, and the evidence from countries such as Sweden, Belarus and Tanzania and the US state of South Dakota. There is also the curious case of the East Asian countries, which, as Ross Clark points out, have had far lower death rates regardless of the measures they took.
And if we’ve never in the history of public health used herd immunity as a strategy for responding to a viral outbreak, how does Tedros believe we managed to cope with the global flu pandemics of 1957-58 and 1968-69? Don’t recall a lockdown or a vaccine being part of the solution then.
Where does this leave the Government’s strategy, particularly as realism about a vaccine sets in? Nowhere at all, as far as I can see. If the new restrictions are not about waiting for a vaccine, which the Government now seems to accept is a distant prospect, what are they for? Boris has surrendered the dubious high ground of “the Science” with its remorseless call to lock everything down to Keir Starmer, leaving the Labour leader with the unanswered question of what to do when the ‘economy breaker’ ‘circuit breaker’ is over. Do another one? Then another? But by eschewing the heretical science of herd immunity and focused protection Johnson has left himself with no science at all – just a dog’s breakfast of purposeless restrictions with no hope to offer.
Until the Government accepts that more harm than good is being done by ongoing restrictions, and that we should follow Sweden’s proven strategy, we are doomed to be stuck in an endless, stop-go loop of economic destruction, where every rise in “cases” results in new shackles and every drop off is just taken as proof that the latest are working.
Stop Press: An eagle-eyed reader spotted the following nugget in the SAGE minutes released on Monday:
Overall, the evidence base on which to judge the effectiveness and harms associated with different interventions is weak and so there is considerable uncertainty around the estimates presented here.
Even SAGE admits they’re making it up as they go along.
False Positives and False Outbreaks
We’re publishing today a new piece by consultant pathologist and regular Lockdown Sceptics contributor Dr Clare Craig, who has looked at what the false positive rate might mean for care homes.
Outbreaks of Covid in care homes appear to have spiked in September in the UK. Does this mean we will see a resulting spike in deaths? This paper explores the possibility that a significant number of the alleged outbreaks in care homes could be based on false positive test results. The continuing absence of systemic cross-checking of alleged positive results against established clinical and diagnostic evidence such as loss of smell and distinctive CT chest scans remains deeply disappointing. At an absolute minimum, anyone who receives an alleged positive Covid result should be retested from scratch.
Failure to do this produces multiple problems.
Diagnosing false positive test results as cases in care homes has the effect of increasing workload for the homes, instilling fear in residents, staff and relatives and artificially boosting the case numbers. Large numbers of elderly, frail patients may well be wrongly labelled as having Covid. When this is combined with their high risk of dying anyway, it is possible that multiple deaths could be wrongly attributed to Covid. The impact of these false positive Covid cases in care homes could easily have skewed the overall data on deaths from Covid, impacting negatively on policy making.
Well worth reading in full.
Contact Tracing Worse Than Useless
Great Barrington Declaration co-author and Stanford Professor of Medicine Jay Bhattacharya has co-authored a new article on the problems with contact tracing.
Throughout the COVID-19 epidemic, public health authorities have promoted contact tracing as a key tool to combat the spread of the SARS-CoV-2 virus. Nearly every country infected by the virus has adopted some version, though with evidently mixed results given the global spread of the epidemic. Our purpose in this essay is to make the case that, contrary to conventional public health wisdom, most of the hope placed on contact tracing efforts to control the epidemic is ultimately futile. It may be useful when the number of cases in an epidemic is very small and only if it is applied aggressively without regard to privacy rights. In cases that do not fit that description, contact tracing may make an outbreak worse.
This is probably why a 2019 WHO study on measures against pandemic influenza found that from a medical perspective “contact tracing” is “not recommended in any circumstances”.
Worth reading in full.
Round-Up
- “Is Boris Johnson finally ready to challenge Sage’s coronavirus ‘group think’?” – Illuminating analysis from Camilla Tominey in the Telegraph quoting a “senior Conservative” and a “cabinet minister” saying Boris’s meeting with Heneghan et al was an epiphany making him much more willing to question the scientific advice
- “COVID-19 will probably become endemic – here’s what that means” – Good piece from Hans Heesterbeek, Professor of Theoretical Epidemiology at Utrecht University, in the Conversation
- “White House Embraces Herd Immunity in Latest Push to End COVID-19 Lockdowns” – Trump administration underlines its commitment to herd immunity and focused protection, in Newsweek
- “Sunetra Gupta interview: the scientist who says herd immunity is the answer” – The Times finally catches up with Prof Gupta. Good interview by seasoned pro Andrew Billen
- “A lockdown on dissent” – Good piece from Joanna Williams in spiked
- “SAGE advice – Whitty vs. No. 10 – Triangulation issues” – Politico‘s Alex Wickham takes us through the SAGE minutes dump. Lots of good stuff about the ineffectiveness of various measures, including outdoor mask wearing and the 10pm curfew
- “How UK ‘Track and Trace’ Data from Restaurants is Being Harvested and Sold On” – Disturbing if preditable, from 21st Century Wire
- “Corona – figures and fakery” – Latest from Sean Walsh in Comment Central arguing the Government is treating us like children
- “The Great Hysteria and The Broken State” – New book from former economist in the Government of Victoria Sanjeev Sabhlok, who quit his position in order to protest the “unrelenting attacks on human liberty in the state of Victoria in Australia”
- “Millions told to shield in first wave will not be told to stay home” – Report in the Telegraph suggesting the Government is actually moving further away from a focused protection strategy
- “Yes, Boris, this is the tipping point – for our trust in you” – Great article from Allison Pearson in the Telegraph pointing out the reality doesn’t match the fear
- “SAGE warned Boris Johnson that 10pm curfew would have ‘marginal’ effect the day before it was imposed” – From the Telegraph. So what was the point? What is Boris playing at?
- “‘Drastic rise’ in Malawi’s suicide rate linked to Covid economic downturn” – Is the Guardian starting to realise lockdowns hurt the poorest most?
- “‘The pub industry is on the verge of collapse’” – Worrying interview with a publican in spiked
- “Ignore this so-called science, the masks don’t work” – I take apart a recent Canadian study claiming masks halve case numbers in Conservative Woman
- “Overstretched – that’s how our police see themselves. So how have they found time to hound a young Geordie journalist?” – Dan Hannan in Conservative Home takes issue with the police’s investigation of Darren Grimes
- “David Starkey investigated by police for ‘stirring up racial hatred’ in Darren Grimes interview” – Another ludicrous police witch-hunt. The Free Speech Union is defending Starkey, just as it is Grimes
Theme Tunes Suggested by Readers
Just one today: “Mersey Blues” by Strawberry Walrus.
Love in the Time of Covid
We have created some Lockdown Sceptics Forums, including a dating forum called “Love in a Covid Climate” that has attracted a bit of attention. We have a team of moderators in place to remove spam and deal with the trolls, but sometimes it takes a little while so please bear with us. You have to register to use the Forums, but that should just be a one-time thing. Any problems, email the Lockdown Sceptics webmaster Ian Rons here.
Sharing stories: Some of you have asked how to link to particular stories on Lockdown Sceptics. The answer used to be to first click on “Latest News”, then click on the links that came up beside the headline of each story. But we’ve changed that so the link now comes up beside the headline whether you’ve clicked on “Latest News” or you’re just on the Lockdown Sceptics home page. Please do share the stories with your friends and on social media.
Woke Gobbledegook
We’ve decided to create a permanent slot down here for woke gobbledegook. Today, a bombshell for the campaign against Lord Nelson at the National Maritime Museum. The letter “proving” he supported slavery has been shown to be a forgery. The Mail has the details.
Horatio Nelson’s original letter to Simon Taylor is lost, presumed destroyed but, unknown to the anti-abolitionists, the Admiral had kept a ‘pressed’ copy — a sort of early carbon copy — in his rarely-seen private files, which are now in the British Library.
Comparing this pressed copy with the newly discovered document reveals that Taylor and his anti-abolitionist cronies made no fewer than 25 changes to Nelson’s original letter before they rushed it into print after the Admiral’s death to try to influence the vote in parliament.
Many of the changes were minor and editorial but overall were designed to rally the dead hero’s support for their lost cause.
In the key passage, Nelson did not write ‘against the damnable and cursed doctrine’ of slave trade abolition, as the doctored version had it.
The original wording was ‘against the damnable cruel doctrine’ and he was referring to the consequences of freeing slaves to face possible starvation and massacre in the chaos that would follow.
While a diplomatic man who clearly had no wish to pick fights with powerful anti-abolitionists, Nelson was relatively enlightened by the standards of the day.
When a young man, Nelson had sailed to the Arctic with Olaudah Equiano, a freed slave who became a hero of the abolitionists, and whenever Nelson had an opportunity to personally intervene on behalf of enslaved people, he took it.
As he did when freeing 30 galley slaves held in Portuguese ships in 1799, or employing freed slaves in his household such as Fatima, a young girl discovered in a French warship, who became his mistress Emma Hamilton’s maid.
Nelson even lent his support to a scheme, soon squashed by the planters’ lobby, to replace slave labour in the West Indies with paid labour from China.
As so often, the woke conception of “social justice” is at odds with natural justice.
“Mask Exempt” Lanyards
We’ve created a one-stop shop down here for people who want to buy (or make) a “Mask Exempt” lanyard/card. You can print out and laminate a fairly standard one for free here and it has the advantage of not explicitly claiming you have a disability. But if you have no qualms about that (or you are disabled), you can buy a lanyard from Amazon saying you do have a disability/medical exemption here (takes a while to arrive). The Government has instructions on how to download an official “Mask Exempt” notice to put on your phone here. You can get a “Hidden Disability” tag from ebay here and an “exempt” card with lanyard for just £1.49 from Etsy here. And, finally, if you feel obliged to wear a mask but want to signal your disapproval of having to do so, you can get a “sexy world” mask with the Swedish flag on it here.
Don’t forget to sign the petition on the UK Government’s petitions website calling for an end to mandatory face masks in shops here.
A reader has started a website that contains some useful guidance about how you can claim legal exemption.
And here’s a round-up of the scientific evidence on the effectiveness of mask (threadbare at best).
The Great Barrington Declaration
The Great Barrington Declaration, a petition started by Professor Martin Kulldorff, Professor Sunetra Gupta and Professor Jay Bhattacharya calling for a strategy of “Focused Protection” (protect the elderly and the vulnerable and let everyone else get on with life), was launched last week and the lockdown zealots have been doing their best to discredit it. If you Google it, the top hits you get are two smear pieces from the obscure Leftist conspiracy website Byline Times, and one from the Guardian headlined: “Herd immunity letter signed by fake experts including ‘Dr Johnny Bananas’.” (Freddie Sayers at UnHerd warned us about this hit job the day before it appeared.) On the bright side, Google UK has stopped shadow banning it, so the actual Declaration now shows up in the search results, although discussion of it has been censored by Reddit. The reason the zealots hate it, of course, is that it gives the lie to their claim that “the science” only supports their strategy. These three scientists are every bit as eminent – more eminent – than the pro-lockdown fanatics so expect no let up in the attacks. (Wikipedia has done a smear job.)
You can find it here. Please sign it. It’s now closing in on half-a-million signatures.
Samaritans
If you are struggling to cope, please call Samaritans for free on 116 123 (UK and ROI), email [email protected] or visit the Samaritans website to find details of your nearest branch. Samaritans is available round the clock, every single day of the year, providing a safe place for anyone struggling to cope, whoever they are, however they feel, whatever life has done to them.
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I have just been deleting people from my blog reading list. They all live in the USA.
Person 1 – Her elderly mother recently recovered from pneumonia. She was posting how glad she was it wasn’t Covid as EVERY(her capitals) old person who gets it dies. I sent her a news article about a 106 year old who survived and got a rude reply.
Person 2 – She wrote about a fun day out on a farm her 4 year old son went on. She posted a photo of half a dozen tiny children on the farm. All wearing masks. Child abuse in my view.
Person 3 -(Not removed as she is nice person). She posted about being willing to accompany a relative to scatter their late husband’s ashes as long as they were masked and socially distanced.
I then chatted to a Facebook friend who said she had forgotten what normal feels like. So sad.
On a happier note, I had an email from an 81 year old friend who says we must live with the virus and she is determined to celebrate Christmas with her family as usual. Good for her!
Covert Human Intelligence Bill being forced through at warp speed.
https://saveourrights.uk/use-your-voice/covert-human-intelligence
https://saveourrights.uk/use-your-voice/covert-human-intelligence/covert-human-intelligence-letter/
Worth checking out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW2zKerIVtU&feature=youtu.be
Video
Dan Carden MP
https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1316670362717913093
Dan Carden MP – offered his resignation from Labour’s frontbench against the CHIS Bill
https://twitter.com/DanCardenMP/status/1316688726857338880
Simon Dolan update on Injunction today in Court:
https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1316693641386176513
https://twitter.com/simondolan/status/1316697421636947968
As a responsible adult and human being if I am sick I will not risk going out into the community to potentially infect other people.
Just saying. Is that ok!?
Gyms fundraiser now at £30,000. Next step from Bunter will presumably be £50,000 fines.
Judging by the Daily Mail diagram of London, I think South London has gained herd immunity from March/April.
Rod Liddle has had an epiphany in the Spectator (although he thinks that Covid “relishes” attacking a second time therefore herd immunity is impossible):
I argued long and hard back in March and April, insisting that lockdown was a temporary measure and that one way or another things would devolve to normal by… October. That was wrong. I had misjudged the degree to which one small branch of science, unable to see the wood for the trees, was able to grab hold of the levers of power and then decline to relinquish them, wrapped up in its modelling stats — here and in the wider world.
IT WAS F’ING OBVIOUS AT THE TIME YOU IDIOT!
To be fair, I was like that at March and April as there was lots of uncertainty about the virus. People take time to come round to the truth, but it’s better late than never.
True, but those of us who were right from the start are entitled to blow off steam at those like Liddle with opinion influencing pulpits who fell for it back then. Especially as many of them were among those accusing dissenters of being selfish people who only care about money, etc etc.
He was one of the worst, most sanctimonious – yes, I’ll say it – bedwetters.
So London to move up a tier on Saturday. No surprises there. Not anything to do with the “wrong sort” of rally being held there on that day, is it Sadiq?
and the extra tier funding
How can they justify it? London is pretty flat in “cases” and has been for months hasn’t it? Is this coming just from Khan or from the government too? If they bump up London surely they need to bump up large swathes of the rest of the country?
Does the new tier ranking specifically prevent demonstrations, though? I can understand that they can shut down speakers on platforms, but I don’t see how they can stop people gathering, say, as individuals, in Trafalgar Square while holding placards, who then all decide, again as individuals, to walk to Downing Street. It’s not different to a group of people walking across Westminster Bridge to work. Unless they ban anybody going out, ever, how can they stop it?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/15/thirty-per-cent-of-newborn-babies-with-covid-contract-it-before-or-during-birth
They wouldn’t have much of a chance to contract it otherwise would they?
Best make my 7 month old self-isolate for 14 days just in case. I’ll just leave a couple of gallons of milk and 42 nappies outside her door and then in two weeks, we know for sure she’s clear.
Well they’ll probably have some immunity to it then won’t they.
The other 70% of newborn babies (e.g. babies that have just been born) probably caught it down the pub or something, that’s why we need to close them.
If it’s infecting 70% of babies, that’s both arms and a leg!!
That’s more than an armful! (Only for older folk that one)
Wondered whether to go with that, but as you say… 🙂
‘Can I have me tea and biscuits now?’
As we all know, babies can’t never naturally develop immunity to anything ever – this is why we pump them with about 7 different injections before they can even crawl. (One of the only things the NHS still seems to be able to do)
This is what makes their immunity to things develop. Everyone knows that.
Yeah, they all died before those!
Professor Pollard of Oxford Uni says you must all stay locked down, spaced out and masked until next July to give him time to develop his vaccine.
Apparently, on the first test run, all the monkeys contracted coronavirus.
Is that Vicki Pollard? Yeah, but no, but!
Hang on, that’s Boris…isn’t it?
I have escaped to the Greek islands for a break from the madness. It is NORMAL: we can sing and dance in the evening and the locals are telling us to enjoy ourselves and have fun. Some people are wearing masks, as are the hotel staff, but there’s no pressure. I don’t want to return to the Ununited Kingdom and the far from Great Britain.
Well bully for you! 🙂
I only wanted to go to Lyme Regis for a week and it doesn’t look like even that will happen.
Which island(s) particularly?
Rhodes
Thanks that’s nice to know. I’m considering a week there in January or possibly on the mainland. I know it’s not that warm but it’s still likely to be better than the UK and it would be so nice just to feel normal again.
Hancock: “I was chatting to the virus late the other night in the MP’s bar and it told me that it will suddenly become more deadly in London on Saturday”
The Modus Operandi of the smart virus.
Re :Piers Morgan: Bulls××t baffles brains.
Even The Daily Mash is starting to get the hang of it….must have been the Pubs wot did it.
https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/health/six-more-appropriate-terms-for-the-current-fk-up-than-circuit-breaker-20201015201461
Chief covid scaremonger Piers Morgan is getting interviewed by Mike Graham on Talk Radio. God, he really is scum!
Graham needs to up his game
He does, Morgan is getting the upper hand at the moment.
He is the biggest snake in journalism. He threw Trump under the bus, even though he gave Piers the scoop of a lifetime.
Morgan is shouting that 68% of people support lockdown; WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS, I never thought that 32% would be against lockdown( I suppose there’s a tiny minority who “don’t know”,God knows why”)
I think that we can be optimistic for the future.
I think you will find that a lot of people will change their mind next year when they’re finally hit with the bill.
And so they should.
Why isn’t mike hitting him with some with figures?
99.9% survival rate
Only 1.6% of daily deaths are attributed to covid.
PCR test, not fit for purpose.
Lockdowns don’t work, it’s just kicking the can down the road.
God, Morgan is a complete liar.
Sorry, language not excused, way too mild to describe Piers Morgan.
Ask him about his time at the mirror newspaper the phone hacking and the Daniel Morgan case. He is a cunt.
Sorry peeps pissed off today and a bit sweary
When is today’s update releasing?
Hancock to announce London moving to tier 2
It is truly pathetic, beyond even my worst nightmares of how stupid and incompetent they could get around this.
Wednesday: Tiers come into play
Thursday: Seems like GM and Lancashire will have tier changed already
Saturday: London tier to change
The WHOLE of London? It’s so utterly ludicrous they can still claim they are ‘local measures’ when you group areas the size of ‘The North West’ and ‘London’ into 1 zone and claim that is appropriate.
We really are fucked for the foreseeable future, nothing is going to stop these idiots, with leaders across Europe all demonstrating a complete inability to face reality and instead opting for societal destruction, and the fucking morons in the rest of the public (aside from a seemingly tiny minority of us) absolutely scared shitless and lapping up the joke of an idea that ‘WE MUST LOCKDOWN!’ as if it’s a tried and tested strategy ffs.
It’s completely fucking ridiculous on any level. Even politically, I cannot believe they’re letting Sadiq Khan have his way b
He’s probably blown all of Londons budget on virtue signalling initatives, accomodating BLM/Antifa/XR
riotsprotests and boarding up Churchill statuesThey’re merely useful idiots, probably going to be paid a lot of money by playing a very masterful game with the big boys of “let’s crash the world’s economy so we can bring in the Great, Global, Green Reset to destroy humanity, and have a this great big playground all for ourselves!” The idiots will be flung aside like the rest of us when their “usefulness” is done.
Oh yes – it’s ridiculous. But not on ‘any level’.
At one level – that of the real motivations – it makes perfect sense, and is proof positive of the underlying political rather than health rationale.
Has it been fully confirmed the number of cycles being used in the PCR tests? I have seen all sorts of numbers flying around with 45 being the most popular? Surely would be avaialble under a FOI request but I have no idea who to ask??
We asked Essex County Council that. Seeing as they are begging to go into tier 2 we wanted to know the science behind the request. We specifically asked the amplification cycles question; mean, median and mode number please? Response did not even address this question but did include lots of pretty graphs created out of Excel based on a load of assumptions about what the R rate is and could become.
This week Matt Hancock condemned experts who dared question lockdown. Now, after two of them embarrassingly exposed his basic errors, Prof ANGUS DALGLEISH asks… How IS this petulant, shockingly ignorant minister still in a job?
PROFESSOR ANGUS DALGLEISH: Health Secretary Matt Hancock has had nine long months to educate himself out of his ignorance of the scientific implications of the Covid-19 pandemic. But this week he was still responding to reasoned argument with petulant contempt.
Daily Mail still sticking it to the panickers, even while still publishing Official Truth panic propaganda.
“How IS this petulant, shockingly ignorant minister still in a job?”
Good question.
Honesty, sincerity and competence will instantly disqualify anyone from reaching ‘high’ office…Hancock is perfect for his role…
Look at the fucking tie, I bet he tucks his shirt into his y fronts. A fucking child playing with the grown ups.
No, his nanny does that.
WHAT AN HORRIBLE THOUGHT.
Overcompensation there with the tie.
Further to NappyFace’s challenge to the community on 2020-10-12, I’m going to create a website to publish facts (and only facts, no opinions) about this shit show.
The site will be specifically focused on the UK, but will use global references where relevant. Given that I will be the editor, it will of course have a sceptical bias, but I intend to have a high bar for inclusion of “facts” and I will try to present a balanced for-vs-against view for each topic. Overall, my goal is to filter out hysteria and just report what is actually happening.
I was going to name the site coronapedia.org, but that has been taken. Therefore I need an alternative. Here are my suggestions, please comment and / or provide your own suggestions.
I can’t leave the vote open too long in case our opponents squat the domains before I get a chance to register one.
as .uk domains are not very common.
There’s also the .info suffix, which ties in quite well with the stated aim of your website
.org.uk – get it now or it will suddenly be gone
.org.uk sounds “organisey”
How about coronaclaptrap?
For good or for bad, the site is now registered as coronapedia.org.uk.
There’s nothing online right this second, but I’m going to get cracking as soon as possible. Additionally, I’ve taken next week off so I can work on the site full time.
Although I have appointed myself BDFL, I’d like the site to be a community project if possible. Many hands make light work, and all that.
I need to think of a mechanism for the community to pour stuff into the site without me drowning in the deluge.
Just get it up asap. Suffix doesn’t matter, especially to the great unwashed, as they just google for stuff.
It’s done.
Googling didn’t work out so well for the Great Barrington Declaration, though. 😀
Aye. But another reason the suffix doesn’t matter – it’s the name and the content that will be mysteriously banned. Nonetheless, well done.
I have never been one for nostalgia. I always regarded it as a defence mechanism for those unwilling to accept inevitable change, and blaming the world for their deficiencies.
What I did not expect was that nostalgia would extend to things like….walking 50 yards from my front door and not seeing someone wearing the Satanic death nappy.
It crushes me every time I see this. I can feel the life being sucked out of me. And I’m not even wearing the bloody thing.
Great post. … and those crony’s becoming stinking rich from all the government contracts awarded without scrutiny
My kids LOVE their new ‘Granny Killa’ ‘T’ shirts. Their grannies and great nanny love them too.
They aren’t so keen on my ‘Fuck Boris’ ‘T’ shirt ‘cos being old they don’t like swearing much.
I wore it on the school run today. It took me 45 minutes longer to get home because lots of people who wouldn’t normally talk to me spoke and agreed! Happy days.
BBC quote this morning from a doctor talking about Long Covid.
“We are now seeing people who have had no record of having Covid who are suffering more than those that were ventilated for several weeks”
“This is putting a severe burden on the NHS”
This follows a study which interview 14 people on a Long Covid Facebook support group. Many of those surveyed had never even been tested or diagnosed.
This is warped stuff here people.
Yes, make up extreme public health emergency measures on the basis of anecdotal evidence, no context or comparison with incidence and impact of other post-viral conditions
So much different to ordinary ‘Long Pneumonia’ then?
“Pneumonia can be a serious illness that takes weeks or months to recover from.”
https://www.blf.org.uk/support-for-you/pneumonia/recovery
They say it can be categorised 4 ways.
Post viral fatigue
Post intubation syndrome
Permanent organ damage to lungs and heart
Continued CV-19 symptoms
All without context of course.
That sounds like an accurate diagnosis of permanent organ damage less than a year into knowing about Covid-19.
Post viral fatigue is a hypochondriacs wet dream… ‘ohhh im so tired, _something_ must be wrong with me’ fuck off, you pathetic twats.
As for ‘Continued CV-19 symptoms’ – would that be the ‘no symptoms at all’ symptom or the occasional cough or a bit of a headache from time to time. It’s honestly pathetic, there’s nothing unique about these things.
Story of my life, I always thought it was the red wine!
But at least pneumonia has actually been isolated as an actual pathogen, it actually exists!
Whereas Covid-19, by the CDC’s own admission has not been isolated in any setting.
Which pathogen do you have in mind exactly? Pneumonia means congestion of the lungs and can be caused by a number of viruses and/or bacteria?
I expect the dictator sturgeon to trot that shite out at some point today.
Any viral infection can have repercussions for months after, especially flu. Again the government and the media are playing on the absolute ignorance of the UK public. They’ll lap it up in droves.
Facebook is full of groups of people claiming to have all sorts of trendy ailments like Aspergers Syndrome which they have self-diagnosed.
Can we not pool some currency together to buy some land in Tanzania or somewhere as a back up plan. There was something a while back about Putin offering some free hectares in Siberia for those willing to endure it for five years, even that would be better than the Johnson health fascist state we are in now.
All of those who wish to live human lives.
Count me in please
I can cook. Just need Scomo to let me go, oh and I love doing laundry!!!
Rod Liddell article in the Spectator today.
The cracks are beginning to appear! Lockdown remorse is apparent.
Small victories at skirmish levels, but let’s take them when we get them eh?
Whereas Sherelle Jacobs in the Telegraph seems to have had a crisis of confidence. Apparently we have lost the argument because we are unable to talk the language of the sheeple.
It’s fear. People love to act sceptical when the consequences for being wrong are minimal. So when we were in summer it was easy. Now it’s crunch time. Do you actually believe what you said you did? Where’s the backbone.
Yeah its true – they see increasing numbers and think ‘shit, I was wrong?’ – and it’s RIGHT to question always, but to believe these numbers is to forget one of the crucial pillars of our argument: The +test numbers are false, which means the hospitalisations are false, which means the deaths are false.
Until they fix testing so its actually accurate, then everything else is inaccurate.
I’d like to see what the btl comments were? Can no longer see them on the DT unless you subscribe.
London to tier 2 tomorrow night.
Real world expecting Tier 3 today!
My family ARE doing Halloween this year. Also Fireworks night and Christmas. We will be having big do’s as we always, er, do.
My problem is what to dress up as, I was gonna go as NHS Death /Grim Reaper but then my brother suggested going as Boris Johnson.
NOW my 101 year old gran has suggested that I go as Matt Hancock!
Decisions decisions.
The only bonus is that if I don’t dress as one of them I can always chuck them on the bonfire a week later.
We have decided to ‘no platform’ Boris and all his friends from our Christmas party. I hope they get salmonella.