A recent London Calling episode featured one of those signature exchanges between Toby Young and James Delingpole which on this occasion centred on my recent piece about whether or not NATO ‘provoked’ Russia into invading Ukraine. James said he didn’t need to read that piece, insisting that his interview with the retired Swiss military intelligence officer Col. Jacques Baud in a recent Delingpod episode provided all the support he needed for the ‘NATO provocation’ theory of the war.
I decided to delve into that interview.
First off, being curious by nature, I looked up Jacques Baud online and discovered that in 2020 he went on Russian state TV to say there is “no history of poisoning by the Russian secret services”, that the Skripals simply had a bad case of “food poisoning” and that Alexei Navalny was poisoned not by the state but by some “mafia” people around him. He wasn’t challenged on any of these controversial claims and, regrettably, the Delingpod interview is in a similar vein.
A key claim made by Baud, both to Delingpole and elsewhere, is that Ukraine’s armed forces have been thoroughly infiltrated by ‘far-right’ ultra-nationalists, and consequently that Russian ‘denazification’ was and is a legitimate Russian goal. Baud cites Reuters as having said there are 102,000 ‘far-right extremists’ in the Ukrainian armed forces, a figure that he appears to have considered ‘too good to check’. The Reuters article in fact says there were 102,000 ‘paramilitary’ soldiers in 2022, which isn’t quite the same as ‘far-right extremists’. The ultimate source for this number, of which Baud is seemingly unaware, is the 2022 edition of IISS’s Military Balance, which makes an estimate of 102,000 troops in the Ukrainian ‘Gendarmerie and Paramilitary’ forces, which consist of the National Guard (60,000) and the Border Guard (42,000).
The National Guard was formed from a core of 33,000 Internal Troops personnel in 2014 and was later expanded to include some volunteer battalions, including the Azov Battalion (with pre-war numbers perhaps approaching 2,500 troops) and the Donbas Battalion (~900), although not the ‘Right Sector’ (~5,000 strong). Of course we know that some members of Azov (at least) are far-right or neo-Nazi, but Baud is essentially making the ludicrous claim that everyone in every unit of the National and Border Guard has ultra-nationalistic, far-right political beliefs.
To smear everyone in the Ukrainian National Guard in this way is like the BBC’s smearing of UKIP as a ‘far-right’ organisation. Even if we just consider the so-called volunteer battalions (perhaps a few thousand in total), the notion that anyone volunteering to defend their country must be ‘far-right’ or ‘ultra-nationalist’ (rather than just patriotic or nationalist) isn’t credible, and it’s notable that James in particular has railed against ginned-up fears of the so-called ‘far-right’ plenty of times in the past – even making reference to this in the same London Calling podcast.
However, let’s try to establish the true extent of far-right ‘infiltration’ of the armed forces of Ukraine. We can do no better than by digging up the only other source that Baud makes reference to, which is a Jerusalem Post article that itself references a George Washington University report focusing on a far-right group called ‘Centuria’ that has supposedly infiltrated the Ukrainian armed forces. Baud calls this ‘disturbing’, but I have to admit I didn’t read the full 93 pages because I was disturbed by a spontaneous fit of giggles halfway down the first page. Perhaps I can illustrate my misgivings with some quotes:
[Centuria …] has attracted multiple members, including [some] now serving in the Armed Forces of Ukraine
That’s multiple members – more than one. And some are in the military.
One apparent member of the group […] attended an 11-month Officer Training Course at […] Sandhurst […]. Another apparent member […] attended the 30th International Week held by the German Army Officers’ Academy […] in Dresden
That’s exactly two with a military background.
Despite this, Baud goes on to make claims about the power of these supposedly ‘far-right’ Ukrainian paramilitary forces in influencing and coercing Zelenskyy’s Government against seeking peace with Russia through threats of a coup or assassination. I’m intending to address these claims (as well as those surrounding Maidan 2014) on another occasion, but suffice it to say they also border on fantasy.
It’s worth noting here that the coalition of ‘far-right’ political parties garnered only 315,568 votes in the 2019 parliamentary elections in Ukraine (2.2% of votes cast, 0.9% of registered voters), gaining a total of one seat for the leader of Svoboda, whose paramilitary Sich Battalion has a total of 50 members. The threat from the Ukrainian far-right is not zero, but even if one doesn’t consider Putin himself to be the arch ultra-nationalist, we should bear in mind that Russia has its own far-right problems, and ironically the founder (and still apparently the leader) of the Wagner Group, which was sent to assassinate the notably-Jewish Zelenskyy, looks to have Nazi sympathies himself.
Baud implausibly asserts that all this supposed far-right infiltration explains why Zelenskyy’s ‘Holocaust comparison’ speech to the Knesset went down like a cup of cold sick, and why Israel isn’t providing much in the way of support to Ukraine. In fact, it was not that Knesset members believe Ukrainian armed forces are full of ‘far-right extremists’ (although plainly Azov is quite far-right, and some MKs will have been aware of a recent neo-Nazi march in Kyiv); rather, the reaction to the speech focused on the false comparison between the current war and the Holocaust, and the fact that Zelenskyy failed to make reference to the elephant in the room – that the Holocaust partly took place on Ukrainian soil. However, Israel has other considerations, such as their large Russian-speaking population and the situation in Syria – although the latter, at least, seems to be highly fluid.
Considering all of this, I find Baud’s assessment to be misinformed and misleading. The fundamental problem is that he’s clearly an intelligent and articulate man who can string together factoids into a coherent and persuasive-sounding whole – which is pernicious, when those facts are wrong. But I would still urge readers to listen to the interview: it’s informative for its clever-sounding, insidious mendacity.
Another key point Baud tries to establish is that “Ukraine started this” and he builds a narrative that: (1) Ukraine began shelling the Donbas on February 16th 2022 in an attempt to provoke a Russian invasion; (2) Joe Biden knew this was the plan, and due to intolerable provocation (3) the Russian parliament and then (4) Putin was forced unwillingly into action. He begins this thread at sixteen minutes into the podcast by saying:
In March 2021, President Zelensky issued a law to reconquer, by military means, Crimea and the south of Ukraine, meaning that they were preparing an offensive to attack Crimea and the Donbas.
What he’s referring to is a Presidential decree, the text of which is here. Quoting a journalistic summary:
[T]he basis of the strategy is the implementation of a complex of measures of a diplomatic, military, economic, informational, humanitarian and other nature with a parallel strengthening of defense capability and the development of European and Euro-Atlantic integration. Ukraine considers the political and diplomatic path to be a priority in resolving the conflict.
To suggest that this represented a prelude to a military re-conquest of Ukraine’s internationally-recognised territories is not terribly serious – it seems perfectly reasonable for Ukraine to have a strategy for what they’d need to do (e.g. build civil institutions, hold elections, etc.) in the event that Ukraine could – diplomatically or otherwise – ‘deoccupy’ Crimea. Baud goes on to say:
And [on] February 11th you may remember that Joe Biden said he knew that Russia would attack on the 16th of February. Now how could he know that? In fact, he knew that because he knew that the Ukrainians had planned to start their offensive on the 16th of February, and if you look at what the observers of the OSCE have reported from the 16th of February onwards, you see a dramatic increase of shelling from [the] Ukrainian side into the Donbas that forced the Donbas authorities to evacuate the Donbas population because they were under heavy artillery fire.
It seems obvious to a layman such as me that the U.S. could well have been aware of Russia’s intentions using well-established intelligence collection methods, such as signals intelligence gathered from the ~150,000 Russian soldiers on the Ukrainian border whom we now know to have been using insecure mobile phones – making Baud’s statement a telling solecism from a former intelligence officer. However, more to the point, it’s simply not true that Biden predicted February 16th to be the invasion date. In fact, U.S. National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan was reported to have said on February 11th:
Now, we can’t pinpoint the day at this point, and we can’t pinpoint the hour but what we can say is that there is a credible prospect that a Russian military action would take place, even before the end of the Olympics [on Feb 20th].
Reading the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission reports from the period, it’s clear there was a marked uptick in ceasefire violations (with ‘explosions’ – everything from RPGs to artillery – recorded at about 20 times the previous 30-day average), although it’s not possible to determine from these reports alone precisely who was responsible for the majority of the fire, or who started it – with both sides making accusations, and explosions reported on both sides of the line of contact. However, the OSCE maps suggest it was roughly an even exchange from both sides. You’d expect one side to respond to shelling from the other, and that seems to be what happened.
But Baud strongly implies that the OSCE reports blame Ukraine for the shelling, which is patently false, and which is again very telling because I’m confident he’s actually read the reports. The reason I can be confident is because he makes an interesting mistake, saying that on one particular day (February 18th) the rate of shelling was 40 times previous levels. But it’s clear he’s referring to one of the daily reports that actually covers two days of reporting, which is why his number is double the correct figure. Consequently, he has no excuse for suggesting the OSCE blamed the shelling on Ukraine.
As to the Russian evacuation of Donbas civilians which Baud claims was the direct result of Ukrainian shelling, there’s compelling evidence that Russia pre-planned the evacuation on or before the 16th as a pretext for the full-scale invasion, and indeed it seems that Donbas residents were confused as to the reasons – or the need – for an evacuation.
Baud’s narrative breaks down still further when he asserts that it was only after the supposed Ukrainian shelling that the Russian Duma voted to implore Putin to recognise the Donbas territories. In fact, this happened on February 15th. Then – remarkably quickly – on February 16th Russia put its claim to the UN Security Council. This was part of a planned strategy to establish the legal fiction, under Article 51 of the UN Charter, that Russia was merely defending the supposedly-independent states of Donetsk and Luhansk from outside aggression.
But if Baud is correct that the full-scale Russian invasion on the 24th was an unplanned and necessary response, it was rather convenient that those hordes of Russian troops just happened to be on Ukraine’s borders at the right time, and doubly convenient that – despite claiming on the 15th that they were withdrawing forces – Russia secretly moved another 7,000 troops to the area just before the 16th, in time for the start of these completely unexpected hostilities.
Baud may be cynically hoping that critics of Western foreign policy won’t be bothered to do their own research and will simply nod their heads sagely, feeling themselves privy to secret knowledge and safe in their titanium-lined bunker of naïveté. Sadly, it’s not clear that’s a bad strategy. But with events like the massacres in Bucha (which Baud has also denied), the rapes, forced deportations and the deliberate bombardment of non-military targets, it’s reached the point where those too cocksure to examine the facts look a lot like a modern-day Walter Duranty, albeit without the Pulitzer and with only the stench of death surrounding them.
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with the virus ‘ripping’ through the population for nearly 2 years it is absurd to suggest that the young do not have natural immunity to covid – but as it is endemic in society it is likely a big ‘case’ count can be manufactured with high Ct PCR tests and ignorance. The jabs will help not one jot but are potentially lethal to the young – the virus will pass through the population for ever more
Can someone confirm that useless nodding donkey Starmer has said today he will now support “vaccine” passports.
I’ve not heard that. But nothing would surprise me about that particular floater. He’s concentrating all effort in turning the Labour Party into a compliant establishment tool that presents no opposition.
I haven’t seen that, but wouldn’t be surprised – he has probably now received the necessary well-stuffed brown envelope.
Oh no – it’s not as simple as a brown envelope job.
It’s far more insidious.
I think you both over- and under-estimate most politicians. But, yes, it is of course not just about financial gain (and not in every case), but I would bet my bottom dollar that the political classes are doing very well out of all this.
No. I just don’t go with simplistic one-dimensional assertions.
Interesting down-vote. A bit of a shot in own foot.
Trans: “I believe in simple-minded assertions”
No, but it’s what Soros would want.
Expect he will go with the Govt position same as each time before.
This morning he’s all for Social Credit Score apps plus testing. He says for sports venues not supermarkets, but give him until this afternoon to check in with Uncle George.
Sort of.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/covid-vaccine-passport-keir-starmer-b1890462.html
I’m not sure why so much faith is put into political opposition to vaccination passports and any ensuing vote. The Coronavirus Act schedule 22 allows fairly arbitrary restrictions to be made to any premises or gatherings, without a vote!
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2020/7/schedule/22/enacted
The Secretary of State may, for the purpose of—
(a)
preventing, protecting against, delaying or otherwise controlling the incidence or transmission of coronavirus, or
(b)
facilitating the most appropriate deployment of medical or emergency personnel and resources,
issue a direction imposing prohibitions, requirements or restrictions in relation to the entry into, departure from, or location of persons in, premises in England.
Impfung macht frei?
Bill Gates and the rest of the GAVI crowd must be on the phone to Johnson, reminding him of what happened in Tanzania, Burundi and Haiti.
He needs reminding what happened at the end of Ceausescu’s rule.
But keeping very schtumm about Florida, Texas, Sweden …….
“Raging” at the people eh? Reminds me of a certain near-namesake of mine.
After the uprising of the 17th of June
The Secretary of the Writers’ Union
Had leaflets distributed on the Stalinallee
Stating that the people
Had forfeited the confidence of the government
And could only win it back
By increased work quotas. Would it not in that case be simpler
for the government
To dissolve the people
And elect another?
Die LösungBerthold Brecht.
F.ing communist!
Opposing Hitler and Stalin! Disgustingly confusing this history thing!
Before this Covid nonsense I used to have a bit of sympathy with MP’s of all hues when they were pillioried for refusing to rule various things out and it was then unfairly portrayed as a given by the media. Not any longer.
Raging! not as much as the British People time to rid that cancer and end Radio Rawanda ie the BBC who pushes the Genocide agenda.On a more positive note I’ve turned up for Nursing assignments and told them I dont follow the guidelines ie Horse shit and most are starting to accept normal terms and conditions.Somebody has to be there to avoid more unnecessary murders in fact I put the brakes on one last week.End of life drugs at the ready I Nursed him through the night pushing fluids and paracetamol and his condition improved worryingly I was advised to give end of life drugs at my discretion like to was Candy.
That would have been listed as Covid 19 for sure.
More confusion (deliberate?).
It’s worrying that the staff union comprises a collection of twats – it should be in the forefront of standing up for students. Mind you, my intelligence from the staff end is that the union is regarded with contempt at its general ineptness even in doing its basic job.
… which seems to be a major feature of unions at the moment (and no -’twas not always thus). As in government and politics, the ‘floating turd’ syndrome seems to dominate, with the windy excrement coming to the top. The link, I guess, is lessening active democratic participation by the clientele, who bellyache but are quite happy to sit on their consumer-fed fat bums.
Would it not be up to the individual university to make that decision?
Not that I agree with any of this at all. But the tossers who come up with these ideas really need to butt out of how businesses run their business. Otherwise it is communism.
Well, or fascism – but, certainly, totalitarianism.
I’m afraid there’s a lot of political illiteracy around. Which is partly why we’re in the state we’re in.
and a lot of economic illiteracy, I mean some people are STILL marxists…
It’s like having a flat-earther lecture you on geography.
Yawn. (And there are still some dinosaur ‘free’ market fundamentalists around. Now – that’s major denial). At least Marx started from reality.
Wey-hey! The dinosaurs object! Point made.
Not Right, Left,Leave or Remain or any other political philosophy.
What we want is a common sense revolution so hopefully we can get back to normal before it’s too late.
The clock is ticking.
Precisely – there’s a lot still clinging on to the old one-dimensional model of political theory like raddled survivors grasping driftwood and dreaming of post-hoc justification for time past.
Well said, Rick.
They’re in a blitz to roll our as many jabs before winter. They know by Christmas the fraudulent way Ct cycles from PCR tests are being used will be exposed.
Even Fauci stating last July 2020 in a video recording Ct threshold’s 35 and over are useless. My guess is once he foresaw the Biden Admin installed in Jan 2021, the tests either would no longer be used or the Ct number would be lowered to around 24.
I’ve heard instances/rumours the Ct score is being lowered on vax’d people to keep the positives down compared to those of a skeptical nature.
“They know by Christmas the fraudulent way Ct cycles from PCR tests are being used will be exposed.”
You must be joking!
This has been known for over a year! 25 is the absolute maximum Ct for mostly indicative results.
Not even that, PCR tests DO NOT indicate live infectious virus. It is pointless for tracking rates of infections.
Yes I agree, hence why I dated my comment July 2020, with linked video (2nd para)
…indicative of what, may I ask?
Don’t know if this is genuine, but CDC getting rid of PCR testing at the end of the year.
https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html
Apparently, according to UKColumn, this is an expansion of the PCR test to include influenza A and B. So getting rid of the present assay to be replaced by another one. So potentially we’ll have a ‘pandemic’ with influenza this winter too. This nonsense needs to stop now.
Bill and The Toad have millions invested in facility that produces tests. Mmmmm? Nothing to see here.
Bill and George have bought a brand new medical testing business recently, so they can decide if we need jabbing or not.
Marvellous, so assuring that these billionaire, Globalist pigs are looking after us, bless them.
NUS in complete lockstep with the Govt?
Did we cover Zahawi dropping the absolute clanger that everybody who participated in the experimental medical treatments’ trial phases will be given a green smiley face on their Social Credit Score App even if they got the placebo?
Could there be any clearer sign that “vaccine passports” demonstrate not immunity, but compliance and submission?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmhvA-DmXYg
I’m 29. I used Oxford University’s QCovid calculator (https://qcovid.org/Calculation) to calculate my risk of catching and dying from Covid-19 in a given year and it is roughly 1 in 83,333.
According to the MHRA data here in the UK (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting), the chance of dying from a dose of the Pfizer jab is 1 in 68,640. You need two doses, though, so in reality that’s more like 1 in 34,320 chance of death from Covid-19 vaccine.
It is now looking increasingly likely that immunity from Covid-19 vaccines wanes after a few months, e.g. this egregious propaganda piece (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9815821/What-young-people-told-Vaccine-expert-ANGUS-DALGLEISH-dismantles-beliefs-18-30s.html) says “A vaccine is a highly effective insurance policy against the disease – one which research has proven lasts at least six months.”
Let’s be generous and double that six months figure to 1 year of protection. Let’s also assume that the vaccine reduces my risk of catching and dying from Covid-19 in that year completely to 0. Based on these figures, I am still 2.5 times more likely to die from the Pfizer jab (most popular) than I am the disease. This figure is even higher for people younger than myself.
(PS: I am aware that the MHRA figures are not the most reliable – but what else do we have? If they are even remotely reliable, the measures described in this article are asking young people to increase their chance of dying to perhaps slightly reduce the chance of old people getting infected.)
Remember the VAERS only capture 1-10% of Adverse effects so your risk could be 25-250 times higher with the jabs.
Getting actual COVID provides 40 times better protection from re-infection than the Jabs.
So if you were concerned with public health you’d want as many under 50s as possible to get the Delta variant (the least dangerous) as soon as possible.
That is what they say – but I am trying to be as conservative as possible with the numbers here. If memory serves, though, the head of the MHRA is on record as saying something a few years back: that the yellow card system only catches 1 in 10 adverse events.
It doesn’t seem unlikely, though: what % of people have even heard of the yellow card system and would know how to submit an adverse event report?
If nothing else, it is a scandal in itself how bad the data gathering is for these jabs. Vaccine zealots love to question the reliability of the MHRA/VAERS figures, but what else do we have to go on?!
Madness.
Way too many reports of doctors refusing to accept serious reactions are connected. They’re under reported.
“Getting actual COVID provides 40 times better protection from re-infection than the Jabs.”
I’d love the link to that data – my
I can feel a letter coming on!
NaziConservative MP recently wrote to inform me that “natural immunity is definitely inferior to that produced by the serum Dhhhaling”You’re right – hard figures from credible trials are difficult to come by. But early Israeli and some other data gave the game away – as recent observational data is also doing.
The raw figures showed that crucial information – that absolute risk reduction from the snake-oil was around 1%. Meanwhile relative figures of 80%-90% were what was being trumpeted.
Then add in the lack of any long-term safety data and the decision to get jabbed for almost anyone, not just the young, starts to look questionable.
For the under 30’s, the risk of the vaccine, massively outweighs the protection it may ( very questionably) give. If in reasonable/average health, your risk of severe illness or death from Covid is vanishingly small.
Yes, that’s about right – based on reported deaths within a few days of the jab. Overall, across all jabs, it has been slightly less than 1 in 30,000 since the beginning of May. This indicates it is not significantly age-dependent. We may use this death rate to predict the effect on younger people.
What is not included in the death toll is those very serious adverse effects that will most likely be fatal. These are not followed-up by MHRA and never listed in the Yellow Card Reports as deaths associated with the jabs.
On top of this are unknown long-term effects of which there may be no indication at the moment.
The fundamental error you have made in your calculations is in setting up the problem. I can’t fault your number crunching post set-up. You’re attributing a factual mapping of numbers onto motivations that are clearly irrational and then marvelling at how irrational those motivations and actions are that produce the desired result. How about attributing the motivations and actions to results that are not readily apparent which, if disclosed, would lead to a civil unrest magnitudes worse that that which we have already witnessed during the protests? That would indeed connect cause and effect in a much more Occam’s razor manner and be intellectually more satisfying.
In sum, it’s not about the virus.
I’m 48 and my chances of dying with covid from the same calculator are 1 in 55,000 (and I suspect even lower than that, given that they don’t ask your profession, and I am not a nurse, going to work in a viral soup every day)
So even for my advanced years, the vaccine makes NO sense. NONE of the MHRA stats adjust for anything other than age group, when we all know BMI has a huge impact.
It’s a political game; doing give in. No justification for anyone to take on an increased risk for no real benefit.
Very sensible analysis. Any healthy young person shouldn’t go anywhere near this experimental stuff.
You should also take into consideration the adverse side effects, of which around a million have already been reported.
Also the high probability that you may already have natural immunity.
This is outrageous. How dare they insist that the young ‘step up’ by risking their future health through this unlicensed vaccine. Denying students a full education is appalling moral blackmail.
Mind you… if they do decide to work instead of paying for a mickey mouse degree it’ll be the best decision of their lives so far.
I read once on the comparison on wealth by age 25 of an accountancy apprenticeship vs degree & 1yrs sitting exams.
Same qualification at the end but the apprenticeship had money coming in from age 17 and many of the apprentices had start of pension fund or car or house deposit by the time the graduates were turning up with a mountain of debt & a piece of paper.
Accountants being the people who really should understand compounding
As I understand it, these vaccines were only ever billed as reducing serious covid, they were never really stated to reduce transmission or upper respiratory tract infection. And yet these policies seem to play on the idea that these vaccines are some sort of magic potion from the lovely nice fairies and will take all the bad things away, they talk about the vaccines as if they do everything and make the world a lovely place.
The powers that be play on this and cynically exploit this childish, fairy tale, magic potion view of vaccines to push them for all. Never quite sure whether Johnson is part of the arch cynical power behind this or whether he is the chief believer in fairies and magic potions but either way he is appalling and this policy stinks from top to bottom.
Here’s the bit that’s confusing me. All that any vaccine does is to train our immune systems to kill infected cells (not the virus itself). Vaccines don’t protect us from the effects of any given cell being infected, they just reduce replication.
But transmission is also dependent on replication, right?
So riddle me this: how can we still have high transmission and “cases”, but low hospitalisations and deaths? Shouldn’t a stronger immune response reduce transmission too?
It’s almost like the Indian variant of the Chinese virus is still replicating away happily, but is much less harmful to us.
As I understand it from Messrs Yeadon, Ioannides and others, viruses replicate within their hosts but not perfectly so the imperfect “replications” are the variants and this is down to one’s immune system successfully fighting the first invasion. The variants being circa 97% similar, then are more “aggressively” transmitted to new hosts and the process repeats such that the degree of infectiousness declines with each replication/new host/replication cycle. Greater transmissibility but lesser morbidity. So if the degree to which people are infected, and then fall ill results in more “cases”, which translates into hospitalisations, it follows that the degree to which people get really sick diminishes over time ( Whisper it, but that appears to be Herd Immunity at play) I distinguish between “cases” meaning “positive cases by > 25 CT rate RT PCR” which is The Big Fraud, and cases where people are sick with a high viral load, either before hospitalisation or after hospitalisation and then acquire the virus in that setting ( which as we know is one of the two proven greatest methods of acquiring the replicated viral variant ) However, “Don’t quote me I am not a scientist”
The incoherence and contradictions are so huge that there is a risk of getting seriously disoriented. I think it’s deliberate.
For for the purpose of clarity:
It’s like a flu jab. Not very helpful except for the purpose of generating profits for pharmas.
These vaccines should be treated the same.
Confusion isn’t a ‘risk’ – the disconnects are actually happening.
Goebbels and Goering are the winners here, back from the grave : the bigger the lie …..
The WHO, who let’s face it are completely under the influence of the pharma industry, have tried to change the very definition of herd immunity. Most leaders are trying to follow WHO guidelines, which are being manipulated by the business interests of big pharma.
So we end up in a situation where all leaders are trying to jab the maximum number of individuals, to reach the magical, mystical, herd immunity threshold.
It’s about control not health
I find this very sinister indeed.
It’s hard to know just how far-reaching the evil is, but as time goes on I find explanations for what is happening that don’t include some kind of conspiracy or very bad faith actions are no longer credible.
Me also. There are aspects of this that just don’t allow any semi-benevolent interpretation of motives.
What is worrying is that so many seem to have lost their moral compass (or have had it extracted), and don’t have a clue that they’re on Mengele’s side.
And when you have multiple indicators of a conspiracy, the stronger the case becomes. In the case of 9/11 there are numerous red flags that lead you in one direction only, therefore, the case for conspiracy is overwhelming. Same with the covid coup.
From David Ray Griffin (2004):
What some critics call the incompetence theory can be understood as simply part of a larger coincidence theory, because it entails that FAA agents, NMCC and NORAD officials, pilots, immigration agents, US military leaders in Afghanistan, and numerous US intelligence agencies all coincidentally acted with extreme and unusual incompetence when dealing with matters related to 9/11.
But the coincidence theory requires even greater credulity. To accept it requires holding not only that each conjunction of events on the above list – which a conspiracy theory could explain by regarding each one as part of a pattern of events that had been planned – was purely coincidental.
After the horrific treatment of university students last year, I wouldn’t be queueing up to be a student this year. And it wouldn’t be the potential vaccine requirement that would give me pause—it would be the chance of getting incarcerated in my living accomodations and preventing from going to lectures because of the upcoming flu season.
Yes. But then consider the options they face. This isn’t essentially a choice without context and major uncertainties.
And no collective body is taking up the standard.
Yes, I do understand, and I would certainly feel pressured. But, if I were about to enter uni, I’d be quite tempted to take a gap year hoping that things resolve themselves by this time next year—if I could. It’s certainly a difficult choice, and I don’t envy them at all for having to make it.
Interestingly, if enough people also did this, then the universities would back down. But, that’s not likely.
“I’d be quite tempted to take a gap year”
Agreed. And I think many have, IME. But they are now faced with no end to this situation.
I am personally registered to do a teacher training course (PGCE primary) in September. However, I am seriously considering not doing it with this news.
I am doing it mainly to have something to fall back on in the future. But I wonder if there will be a future in this country….
I’ve rejoined the gym as I’m trying to loose more weight (got my BMI down from 31 to 26) and some people are still masked up in the gym, also when going in and out. However, they encourage you to clean down the equipment after use with disinfected cloths and to use hand gel on entry and exit.
I use to clean down equipment with a towel and have continued to do so, but not the rags provided. My point being, I believe that catching minor ailments keeps my immune system active and fighting off the minor conditions prepares the system to fight off anything major, so I’m helping my fellow humans by trying to keep their immune systems active. Either I’m a hero or granny killer.
(As a kid I remember going to disease parties to catch whatever was going around and nobody called the mothers in the neighbourhood irresponsible. Also isn’t it thought that being too clean has resulted in all these allergies kids have now).
Reminds me of a moral about enhancing immunity.
My mother sent me to play with kids who had mumps on the basis that you outline.
I didn’t catch it.
… but did when I was 20 and have been deaf in one ear ever since.
At least mother tried. Which underlines the futility of delaying infection beyond a certain point. What is being built up?
Old adage of farm kids being the healthiest kids?
I understand that MPs will be exempt from Covid Passports, is this true?
I think that was specifically for entering the Houses of Parliament.
Assuming that there may indeed be any breweries left before long, this incompetent and shambolic shower would certainly be unable to organise a p?ss-up in one. A country run by Coco the Sinister Clown and his entourage and hangers-on. They can’t even coordinate their lying.
Gosh I wonder what the NHS is going to do with such a huge amount of anticoagulants? Are they expecting an epidemic of blood clotting for some completely innocent and unpredictable reasons?
That’s pretty scary
Maybe they know something about the boosters
https://www.contractsfinder.service.gov.uk/notice/bbec3a9a-168a-46c5-a71d-990c2a8a8212?origin=SearchResults&p=1
I wouldn’t jump on that particularly, given the on-going legitimate and widespread use of anti-coagulants.
I think that is one of the suite of treatments ( perhaps the last after 3 or 4 other preventative medications including Ivermectin) being given , successfully, by Dr Peter McCullough in Dallas Texas, such that by his own account he has only seen two deaths since Feb/Mar 2020…..”what do you think of that Whitty, Van Tamm, Vallance, SAGE members – care to comment on that”?
Perhaps it is long past time that we make blood tests to show T-cell and antibodies from past infections. My son is 17, and had Covid March 2020. Why should he get jabbed when he turns 18? Answer, he shouldn’t and would prefer to have his doses sent to the Southern Hemisphere. But why is Boris raging when these are people who don’t need the jab for their own health? Who represent minimal risk to others? Could it be he wants to declare 100% vaccination and then excuse all his many mistakes?
No need to turn somersaults at all.
It’s just basic : coercing any medicine – let alone an insufficiently tested experimental one – is unacceptable by any civilized standards. Forcing one that has as dubious effectiveness and a degree of harm as this lot is Mengele stuff – nowhere in sight of an ethical basis.
Again, it’s about control, not health.
For most of us, the possibility that our Government, SAGE, PHE, NHS, MHRA, GP’s, Big Pharma, WHO, GAVI, WEF, and a few Globalist billionaires don’t have our best interests at heart is understandably too difficult to comprehend. Until one realises the truly staggering amounts of money they transferring from us to themselves.
It’s unworkable. Students are already arriving for the next academic year, or still studying in the current one. Questions that immediately spring to mind, as someone who will have to somehow figure out the administration of all this (and as the lone sceptic in most meetings I attend):
Students are already supposed to test twice a week and we’ve invested huge amounts in making that possible so mandatory vaccination is an utterly pointless and stupid idea (I mean, it is anyway, but even more so in this context). If they need to self-isolate we can’t do enough for them- they get free food, laundry, entertainment packs, counsellors on tap… and we can’t even compel them to self-isolate, they can pretty much come and go as they please. I know of one hall where students claimed to have covid to get free food deliveries, but were never in when the food was delivered. We have even budgeted this year for giving them most of their rent back if we go into lockdown again, which seems to be taken as a given.
Students are, in my experience, 30% extremely covid anxious, and 70% absolutely over it, couldn’t care less. There’s no demand from any staff that I’ve seen for students to all be vaccinated, but we are to plan for students kicking off because other students aren’t vaccinated.
That begs other questions:
I think the problem with universities this autumn will lie with brainwashed 18 year olds adhering to mask guidance at all times and making snotty posts on Reddit about their carefree flatmates or tutors living their lives as if everything is normal because it is, if you want it to be. They will be the ones making a fuss about mandatory vaccinations, or demanding vaccine passports to get into lectures or use the common room. There’s no demand for this from staff or from parents that I’ve seen.
It doesn’t matter whether it’s workable or unworkable or where the demand is or is not coming from.
It’s immoral, unscientific, and EVIL. And anyone who is pushing it is also EVIL.
“According to a report in the Times, Boris Johnson is said to be “pushing” the idea. …”
Ideas aren’t the only thing Johnson is pushing – the experimental pseudo vaccines for one, like the head of some Mexican Drug Cartel let lose on the streets of Britain.
Do you have to wear a mask in the Bullingdon Club?
Only at initiation, but not on your face….
More undiluted evil from this Branch Covidian Communist Doomsday Cultist government.
Just like France, Germany and Italy, those at the top will gradually introduce measures which will imped life for those who do not wish to be vaccinated.
All of these countries are so called free and democratic. They all have their own versions of this.
However, what they are all doing is all but insuring you are forced, by law, to be vaccinated. It would seem that by passing some sort of act of law to force you to be vaccinated would, it seems, is against many constitutions.
As a side note in Sierra Sur de Sevilla, Spain a man of 36 died after having stoke ten days after receiving a J&J vaccine. He had no previous history of heart issues. This is the first death related to this vaccine in Spain.
For it’s great effort to vaticinate it’s citizens the Spanish region of Galicia has been awarded some sort of Gold Medal. Sound something like Franco would do.
Meanwhile across the pond.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/white-house-refuses-to-disclose-number-of-covid-19-breakthrough-cases-among-staff_3918410.html
If I was a student now, and I was a good while ago, and after a useless year less year, I would cancel Uni for this year, and also my accommodation for the coming year.
Any degree under this current regime would be not worth the paper it is printed on. I would hunker down and get a job, or try and study elsewhere.
If enough students went on strike, the landlords, universities, and Unions would lose out.
Friend of mine’s kid has just done exactly that. Good on her. And her place was at Oxford. She wrote to tell then exactly why.
Put simply if students are barred from lectures unless injected they are being coerced.
End of.
Minister chick says students should step forward for the vaccine so “they can have that freedom and confidence that they’ll be able to have that full university life.”Unless as a result of vaccination students suffer brain bleed, heart attack, stroke, myocarditis, encephalomyelitis, Guillaume-barré disease, narcolepsy, seizure, convulsions, anaphylaxis, meningitis, or death. Just to name the obvious at present.
It’s the easiest way to condition the young and shape the new elite to their liking. Not that this pathetic youg lot will resist much anyway.
And as for what a minister rules out or doesn’t rule out: who cares?!
They have lied so often and openly and U turned so often and drastically, that not a single word they mutter can ever be trusted again.
That must be the same Vicki Ford I heard on the Today programme. (Had no choice- was driving and my car radio won’t play TalkRadio)
She made a Freudian slip and said ‘our first priority is vacci…. er, education’.
It’s just so very strange that this government cannot see how they are becoming more and more dangerous to the public well being. Every step they are now taking is exactly in lockstep with the German Reich during 1939. In one way it’s not surprising be ause there are so many marxists involved in Civil Service and advisory roles. But wouldn’t you think that at some point a few members of Parliament would start to realise that history is repeating.
So many of our ‘elite’ don’t seem to know their history. But this is no excuse for their cruel and destructive guidelines and rules. As for the police service, the violence towards peace loving people is a black stain on the memory of Robert Peel.
https://youtu.be/Rz8ge4aw8Ws
Anyone in gov’t who mandates experimental biologicals for university students, knowing the serious adverse events and deaths post administration of these biologicals should be removed from office immediately. Mandating this age group be injected with unknown ingredients is simply unacceptable and irresponsible.
They are making them choose, get double jab to get a degree but the jab may make you sterile according to John Bell of SAGE.
To breed or not to breed?
I hope this collapses the tertiary academic system. It’s become a joke anyway.
There is a move in the US to require Biden to take a cognition examination – we don’t need to have Johnson tested, it is perfectly obvious that a petulant needy individual incapable of understanding that the world in his head isn’t the one the rest of us inhabit should be let nowhere near the levers of power.