Pro-Lockdown SAGE Advisor Stephen Reicher Thinks Caring about Freedom is Selfish and Wants Us to Surrender to the Supreme Authority of the State For Ever in the Name of Compassion

We're publishing a guest post today by David McGrogan, a Senior Lecturer in the Faculty of Law and Business at Northumbria University, about the recent twitter rant of Stephen Reicher, a lockdown zealot who sits on SAGE.

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We’re publishing a guest post today by Professor David McGrogan, a Senior Lecturer in the Faculty of Law and Business at Northumbria University, about the recent twitter rant of Stephen Reicher, a lockdown zealot who sits on SAGE. Reicher was absolutely horrified by Sajid Javid’s suggestion that we have to learn to live with the virus and that means taking personal responsibility for managing our own behaviour. He is one of many so-called experts who are ranting and raving about the lifting of restrictions on July 19th – out in force on the airwaves today –  believing its a terrible dereliction of duty on the Government’s part.

Stephen Reicher, a psychologist who sits on SAGE, recently made headlines with a twitter rant against Sajid Javid. It is full of bluster, bombast and keyboard-warrior aggression like twitter rants always are, but also contains one tweet that is highly revealing about the pro-lockdown mindset.

“Above all,” Reicher tells us, “it is frightening to have a ‘Health’ [sic] Secretary who wants to make all protections a matter of personal choice when the message of the pandemic is ‘this isn’t an ‘I’ thing, it’s a ‘we’ thing. Your behaviour affects my health. Get your head around the ‘we’ concept.’”

https://twitter.com/ReicherStephen/status/1411631602787094528

We’ve heard this kind of thing a lot, of course: one of the chief rhetorical devices of the pro-lockdown movement is the depiction of anybody who dissents as selfish. Those of us who are sceptical can only possibly be that way because we just want to go to the pub and everybody’s grannies can simply go hang. But it is worth dwelling on certain assumptions underlying the tweet, because they help us to understand a little bit more about the worldview upon which people like Stephen Reicher base their views and advice.

The first is the elision between ‘we’ and the state, which has characterised support for lockdown since the very beginning, and which suggests both a disregard for the distinction between the public and private spheres and a lack of concern for, or appreciation of, the existence of a society as a thing independent from the realm of politics. No sceptic I am aware of has ever taken the position that life should have continued completely as normal during the pandemic period. Our position has been that it is up to us (or the ‘”we” concept’ as Reicher might put it) to make those decisions for ourselves in consideration of those around us, rather than to have the State impose them on us from above. It is not about anarchic libertarianism sticking two fingers up to authority. It is about taking responsibility for our own actions, like adults.

There is something deeply Hobbesian about the view to which Reicher subscribes: the idea that the leviathan must take responsibility for every aspect of our lives, since left to our own devices we’re simply incapable of making sensible decisions. The difficulty that somebody in his position faces, of course, is that once that logical leap has been made, everything is up for grabs – the state might as well make all significant decisions for everybody for ever, since it alone possesses the advice of the ‘experts’, and since we’re so damned untrustworthy and stupid. Perhaps he finds that idea appealing, but if he does, he is in a tiny minority.

The second is the unstated rejection of individual rights. As Ronald Dworkin, probably the most important legal philosopher of the latter part of the 20th century, was wont to emphasise, individual rights have no meaning unless they trump considerations of the general welfare. If individual rights (to free expression, conscience, assembly, liberty, etc.) have to give way if it is for the good of the ‘general welfare’, then that means individual rights do not exist. Whenever politicians deem it important to override them, then they can, because it will always be possible to declare a policy to be in the ‘general welfare’. Civil liberties are only worth more than the paper they are written on if they protect individual freedom even though it is not in the general welfare. There may be circumstances in which a serious public emergency will trump even that consideration (and one individual’s rights can be limited by another individual’s competing rights, of course). But that situation has to be extremely rare. And we are certainly not in such a situation now that all of the vulnerable have been double-jabbed and almost all other adults at least partially vaccinated. Stephen Reicher may not deem it important to live in a rights-respecting democracy, but he should say so if that is his opinion.

The third, and in my view most troubling, is the implication that freedom itself is selfish. Public health may be a “we” thing, but that does not mean that freedom is an “I” thing. No sensible liberal thinker has ever argued anything other than that individual freedom comes with, and is contingent upon, responsibility, self-control, discipline, restraint, and community-mindedness. To live as a free individual means to live in a dense network of mutual respect, protection, cooperation and compassion, because otherwise one cannot live at all. To be free means to live with the consequences of one’s actions – and that means to act at every turn in the awareness that there are other people around oneself, whose needs and desires are to be respected and mutually bolstered with one’s own. Freedom is a “we” thing – it is probably the most important “we” thing of all. This is to be contrasted with the alienating, atomised, individualised world of the lockdown advocates: no socialising, schooling, community activities or even sex except where mediated by the authority and permission of the state. No society, no family, no friends – unless the state lets you.

I know who needs to get his head around the “we” concept – and it isn’t Sajid Javid.

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Newman20
Newman20
5 years ago

This man and his peers on SAGE, especially ‘Stalin’s nanny’, make Joseph Goebbels comparable to George Washington when it comes to honesty.

djmwright
djmwright
5 years ago

Who chooses the SAGE members? Reicher and Michie must be changed out asap. When Trump was elected, statists used Russiagate to tie him in knots for years. British statists want to tie Boris in knots until the end of his term.

Edumacated eejit
Edumacated eejit
5 years ago

There can be little that is more selfish than expecting others to suffer for your benefit. The audacity of such some people! Get out of my life Reicher, you pompous ass!

sskinner
sskinner
5 years ago

“…no socialising, schooling, community activities or even sex except where mediated by the authority and permission of the state.”
Obviously Neil Fergusson (Old Major) and Matt Hancock (Napoleon) can have sex when they please. Some pigs are more equal than others.

Corky Ringspot
Corky Ringspot
5 years ago

As I’ve heard it expressed: “My freedom does not end where your fear begins.”

SomersetHoops
SomersetHoops
5 years ago

How is Reicher even on the SAGE Committee, his attitude is that of someone who thinks people should be controlled by a totalitarian state. It’s no wonder that his influence has caused this Tory government to become that. He has no sense of balance and no idea that his influence on the government has caused or will cause more people to die as a result of the restrictions than of Covid-19 and drive many people and businesses into bankruptcy than was necessary if a sensible, balanced view had prevailed over his idiocy.

Epi
Epi
5 years ago

Slightly off on a tangent but just had this sent to me by a friend – anybody’s guess.

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AH
AH
5 years ago

If he is so keen on ‘we’ concepts, why is he so worried about ‘his’ health? What about the (physical, mental, social, financial, economic) health of the other 99.9999…% of society?
There have always been different ways to respond to COVID, but it is because of ‘experts’ like ‘himself’, these were never considered. For the sake of our health’ he should be locked-up.

RickH
RickH
5 years ago

“we are certainly not in such a situation now that all of the vulnerable have been double-jabbed”

I’m getting more than a bit tired of this sort of bollocks coming from the (allegedly) sceptical as an unexamined routine trope.

The reinstatement of normal life is not justified by the snake oil – it is a prior requirement.

Health Seeker
Health Seeker
5 years ago

Democracy is a “we” thing. A process that cannot function meaningfully without freedom of speech and freedom of assembly. It is undermined when academics are intimated into silence, and trusted broadcasters abuse trust by becoming propaganda machines. Education is a “we” thing. Theatre and music and dancing are “we” things. Herd immunity is a “we” thing. Manipulative behavioural psychology is a them experimenting on us thing.

Glynthepin
Glynthepin
5 years ago

One of the good things about this appalling time we are living through is that it is bringing these narcissistic ‘intellectuals’ out from under their stones and into the light. These are the kind of people who have been busily wielding undeserved influence and warping minds unchallenged from their ivory towers for far too long.

Sarigan
Sarigan
5 years ago

Twitter is a horrifying place if you ever have the stomach to read comments under the likes of this twat. We live in a pathetic country largely made up of complete and utter flakes and wimps. All largely unaffected by lockdown I would assume and happy on furlough and mostly have no more than 6 friends so no issues there.

I am honestly terrified for the future and for my children.

Hester
Hester
5 years ago
  1. The Man is selfish he wants everyone to give up their individual choices and freedoms such that he can feel safe. Presumably the Cancer sufferers, the heartdisease sufferers who are in the top 10 of deaths unlike Covid number 24 in the hit parade. These people’s lives are worth less than his, as are the elderly locked up for their own good by him, oh and the dying left to die alone in despair. Let’s not forget the uneducated mentally affected children . So who really is the Selfish one?
  2. These unknowns, have had their tast of power and celebrity they believe in theri own importance, they cannot bear to step back into the shadows from whence they came, so they will use very device no matter how coarse or wicked to retain their position.

Men like this are dangerous, they should never be allowed near another human being, they have zero empathy, or understanding of what it is to have a life, they are algorithms contained within a living carcass, they need to be de commisioned

AethelredTheReadier
AethelredTheReadier
5 years ago

So this guy Reicher, whose main focus of study has been on group behaviour and individuation and who knows all the manipulative tricks in the book, sits on SAGE, advising government about whether we should be allowed to congregate in groups or not, making judgements about our behaviour and seeming to ignore the fact that humans can exercise individual responsibility and make their own decisions when in knowledge of the facts. Humans need contact, helping to keep our spirits up and to thrive. He seems entirely the wrong person to sit on such a powerful committee with such views which seem anti-social and dangerous.

Beowa
Beowa
5 years ago

One would think a psychologist would understand the mental health issues caused by the policies he supports unless of course to them it’s just an experiment
If so they should all be on trial for breaking the law on informed consent
and after a fair trial suitably punished – dancing at Marble Arch at the minimum

Epi
Epi
5 years ago

KNOB!

Brett_McS
Brett_McS
5 years ago

In earlier times The State was literally an “I”: the King. Now, although it is made up of numerous departments and thousands of people, the actions of the state can still be usefully understood as if they were the actions of just another actor, with his own motivations and incentives. This is shown to be the case in the ground-breaking The State by Anthony de Jasay.

William Gruff
William Gruff
5 years ago

BIG BLUBBER IS MOCKING YOU

sjonesy1999
sjonesy1999
5 years ago

Lock the fucker up with the rest of the bed wetters.

Annie
Annie
5 years ago

Maybe somebody could tell this ugly little satanist and his coven that THEY are welcome to live in terror for the rest of their miserable lives. We don’t care in the least.

Drew63
Drew63
5 years ago

Why is a PSYCHOLOGIST being taken seriously on this issue? He has no formal training in epidemiology or public health. There is precisely zero published science that supports the effectiveness of lockdowns and other NPI (including mask-wearing) in response to covid. He has about as much credibility on this issue as any random person on the street.

It’s like asking the Bank of England Governor about England’s chance in the Euro semifinals. Or conversely, asking Gareth Southgate about monetary policy outlook. Those guys might be experts in their field but (all due respect to Gareth) – not blessed with omniscient wisdom on every topic under the sun.

What a PSYCHOLOGIST ought to be worrying about is the tremendous psychological damage that lockdowns, social isolation, stress about jobs, money, educations, and social lives that his godforsaken SAGE has wrought on the British people.

Psychologist? First: cause no psychological harm on the people you serve.

MikeAustin
MikeAustin
5 years ago

“Above all,” Reicher tells us, “it is frightening to have a ‘Health’ [sic] Secretary who wants to make all protections a matter of personal choice when the message of the pandemic is ‘this isn’t an ‘I’ thing, it’s a ‘we’ thing. Your behaviour affects my health. Get your head around the ‘we’ concept.’”

This is where Reicher demonstrates his own selfishness through attachment to his view and insistence that others follow it. As is sometimes referred to in debate, he is accusing someone of stealing the very horse that he himself is sitting on.
It is up to all of us how we live our lives. The vast majority of us have a morality that is based on some concern for others and will act responsibly. We would hope the same in return from others, but we cannot demand it or even rely on it. That is essentially the ‘we’ concept.

tom171uk
tom171uk
5 years ago
Reply to  MikeAustin

Very well said. Thank you.

Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
5 years ago
Reply to  MikeAustin

No, he demonstrates altruism, the morality of sacrifice and death. Altruism literally means other-ism and he demands everyone lives for everyone else.

Moist Von Lipwig
Moist Von Lipwig
5 years ago

Who downvoted my post?

I can prove my claim: altruism is a term coined by Auguste Comte to literally mean other-ism.

I am Spartacas
I am Spartacas
5 years ago

Ive hated every single day of this covid madness – but in a strange kind of way I.m glad its happened because it has exposed the authoritarian tyrants in this country who I suspect would leap at any opportunity to transform Britain into some kind of East German police state – it is worrying to think how easily our basic freedoms were removed and society controlled with a government campaign of endless fear and threats – I’ve always wondered whether it could ever be possible for Britain to slide into totalitarianism as happened in Nazi Germany or Communist Russia and now I know the answer to that question .. yes it could and quite easily too.

Maybe this is the wake up call we’ve all needed.

tom171uk
tom171uk
5 years ago
Reply to  I am Spartacas

I have been very worried about the ever increasing authoritarianism for some years. When I was 18 and an enthusiastic motorcyclist I was stunned by the passing of a law to make crash helmets compulsory. Like 99 per cent of bikers I wore a helmet and took pride in having made that choice for myself. The government robbed me of that pride.

We campaigned against the law under the slogan “Helmets, yes; compulsion, no.” We were ignored. The experience made me sensitive to the ongoing bullying which most others seemed unperturbed by.

If the covid experience makes people aware in the way the helmet law stirred me, then some good may come. Glad to have you on board Spartacus.

Mark
Mark
5 years ago
Reply to  tom171uk

“Like 99 per cent of bikers I wore a helmet and took pride in having made that choice for myself. “

Exactly my experience with the wrongful seatbelt law.

David101
David101
5 years ago

He’s right about one thing, actually: You can’t compare this to the flu, as the flu is now about 5 times more likely to kill you than Covid is! In any case, Javid is not comparing it to the flu, simply stating that we have to live with this endemic virus (that ain’t going anywhere), just as we co-exist with other pathogens.
But somebody was bound to do this, weren’t they?

Does he think that school-age children should continue to breathe in dangerous levels of CO2 to protect elderly people?

How fitting his name is REICHer!

Noumenon
Noumenon
5 years ago
Reply to  David101

He’s a Third Reich psychologist.

Annie
Annie
5 years ago

Now that’s the sort of thing we used to get regularly on LDS. Reasoned scepticism. Philosophical coherence. Welcome back. Please stick around.
As for the salvation wrought by double-jib-jab – the jury is still out.

Prester John
Prester John
5 years ago

Stephen Reicher, ‘Third’ to his mates.

Chris Twitty
Chris Twitty
5 years ago
Reply to  Prester John

Spat my tea out!! 🙂

Chris Twitty
Chris Twitty
5 years ago

SAGE needs to be disbanded immediately. Simply isn’t fit for purpose, who the fuck appoints these people? It’s about time we had some proper grown ups in government who can make proper decisions without relying on these creepy bastards.

tom171uk
tom171uk
5 years ago

Reicher of the Reich. What a wicked fucker that man is!

BJs Brain is Missing
BJs Brain is Missing
5 years ago
Reply to  tom171uk

Surely you mean Fokker?

tom171uk
tom171uk
5 years ago

Or Kunt!

Lucan Grey
Lucan Grey
5 years ago

Reicher et al can invest in FFP3 masks and Hazmat suits. Then they don’t have to rely upon everybody else “following the rules” so precisely.

Unless of course “following the rules” is what they are really interested in, with them making the rules obvs.

You cannot reason with the perennially petrified, nor the authoritarian mindset.

JayBee
JayBee
5 years ago

It is what Essfeld, Ruechel and others already stated: the revival of utilitarianism, in whose name all major atrocities and infringements upon individual rights and liberties have been committed in the past, under the guise of neo-Marxist or neo-fascist policies like CRT, Covid restrictions, vaccine/test/mask mandates and climate change, at the expense of these inalienable individual rights and that concept, which were of course introduced in response to those atrocities committed in the name of utilitarianism.
Sadly, the people have been brainwashed into accepting that shift and not seeing its dangers anymore over the last few decades by people marching through the institutions like him, people who think only they know and that best but hereby only prove that they really detest other human beings, and who are now ready to execute their agendas.

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