Is Michael Gove Right to Say Reform is Not “Conservative”?

Michael Gove has criticised Reform for not being "conservative". Prof James Allan asks if this is fair – and whether any party should wish to 'conserve' the vandalism Blair and his successors inflicted on the country.

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The writer is in Australia.

A fortnight ago my wife and I were driving some 750 kilometres one day from the north-western tip of Newfoundland island back to Gander, home of the most important civilian airport in the 1960s because it’s where planes from the east coast of North America had to refuel to get to Europe (and vice versa). It’s also where dozens and dozens of planes landed on 9/11, unplanned of course, and the tiny town put up all the passengers for four days. They made that into a very successful Broadway and West End musical, Come From Away.

Anyway, there we are driving through the wilds of Newfoundland, a fantastically beautiful place where you’ll see moose and caribou as you drive and hope like heck you don’t ever hit one. To while away the time my wife put on a podcast by the Daily Telegraph, one in which the hosts interviewed the Editor of the Spectator, Michael Gove. It was an excellent interview but one thing stuck in my craw. You see, when pressed about Nigel Farage and his Reform political party, my boss’s boss, Gove, kept coming back to the same point. He told the interviewers that Reform was not a conservative party. And many of you in Australia will recognise that it is an exactly similar point that our Morning Double Shot Editor Terry Barnes has repeatedly made in the Australian context, namely that One Nation is not a conservative party.

This being the most pro-free speech weekly in Christendom (and you don’t really get much free speech outside of those historical lands do you?), I’d like to indulge in a bit of colonial pushback against this claim by our venerable London Editor. Because one thing Gove made clear in (and by agreeing to do) that interview was that he is a free speech guy.

So what are we to make of this criticism of ‘not being conservative’? Of course Messrs Gove and Barnes mean their censure or disparaging point to be something more than a purely semantic one, a fight over how to use a word. They mean it to have a political sting in the tail. So that leaves us with two ways to take the term ‘conservative’. One is purely procedural. A conservative party in this sense just happens to be the most Right-leaning of the ones currently on offer. It’s a shorthand for where a party stands on the current spectrum. Lots of people use the term that way. Yet that can hardly be the sense in which Mssrs Gove and Barnes are using it. They mean to make a substantive point, one with real oomph and force.

And that takes us to the other possibility. What they’re saying is that a ‘conservative’ party is one that tries to conserve the good things that have been passed down to us. But clearly that is a context-dependent value or virtue. No sane person would want to conserve anything as regards North Korea’s political set-up. In other words, you need a pre-existing idea of what things are good and what aren’t before you can play the ‘let’s conserve’ game. Right?

And that takes us to the reason why I think that so many former Tory and Aussie Coalition voters have deserted those ships. In 14 years of Tory governments what they most conserved were the woeful Tony Blair innovations to what had been one of the world’s greatest constitutional arrangements. The Tories conserved the awful Human Rights Act. They conserved the country being in the European Convention on Human Rights as it was continually remade by foreign activist judges to make deportations impossible. They conserved an idiotic set-up where top judges effectively pick their own successors. They conserved all of the democracy-enervating qangos and the inability to control the borders. They conserved the Keynesian big spending and big taxing. They conserved (and initiated) the Net Zero insanity. And during Covid they certainly did not conserve “the flood of British freedoms, which to the open sea of the world’s praise, hath flowed with pomp of waters, unwithstood”.

And the Libs in Australia in their nine years were hardly any better. They conserved or initiated the Lefty progressive policies on Net Zero, massive spending and taxing, Labour hitjobs on pensions, the entire Lefty culture war victories. Try to think of anything they undid. Meanwhile they oversaw Covid’s biggest attacks on our civil liberties in centuries.

So what the Reform Party and One Nation might reply to Mssrs Gove and Barnes is that from the vantage of the 1990s they – not the Tories or the Libs – are the real conservative parties. They want to conserve what we had then. Not what we have now. And to do that they will first have to unwind the progressive Left’s triumphs of the last couple of decades.

Put differently, do you as a Right-leaning voter prefer to be part of a team conserving what we had back then or have now? It is patently obvious that the former is the answer most Right-leaning voters are giving. That’s why Badenoch in Britain and Taylor in Australia are desperately pushing their Establishment parties in that direction, big time. ‘Good’, I say. I look at Poland and see a country with big time growth and nearly no mass immigration (putting the lie to the Keynesian, Lefty economic settlement). I also want an end to democracy-gutting managerialism that our established parties of the right ‘conserved’.

So, I think it turns out that the critique of ‘not being conservative’ is sort of time-dependent when it comes to Britain and Australia. Tell us, precisely, what you want to conserve. If it’s what we had before Blair and back under Howard then that means a lot of unwinding and repealing is now needed – to get us back to conserving the good things we had a couple of decades ago.

Moreover, that is precisely what the Tories and Libs are today trying to promise voters they can and will deliver. As I said, ‘good’. But that means the issue between them and the insurgent new parties of the Right is not about who is conservative. Nope, it’s about ‘whom can you trust?’ On immigration. On lower taxing. On getting immigration way, way down and enforcing the borders. On getting unelected judges and transnational bureaucrats out of social policy decision-making. On free speech (which to me has till lately been sold out by the established parties of the Right). On our civil liberties come the next emergency.

But if I am right, and trusting parties to keep their word is the key issue for most voters on the Right, then Farage and Hanson have a big advantage. They do not have to overcome a decade-plus record of not being trustworthy, like the serial philanderer. Yes, there are routes home for Kemi and Angus. But it ain’t going to be easy for them, is it? (For Angus in Australia, for the Lord’s sake, you have to give an explicit number for total net immigration for your first and second year in office, plus promise to resign if it’s not met, or no one will believe you on this issue, not with all the wets in your partyroom.)

Over to you Michael.

Dr James Allan is the Garrick Professor of Law at Queensland University. This article was first published in Spectator Australia.

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JXB
JXB
2 months ago

Let’s cut to the chase, as our US cousins say, what Mr Gove means by saying Reform UK aren’t conservative, is they are the ubiquitous yet invisible Far Right.

“Conservative” anyway politically does not mean keep what we had in the past, but keep things that work best. Conservatism is concerned with outcomes not process. As long as the result is good, it doesn’t matter how it was achieved. It means that despite the name, conservatism is innovative and embraces change, but not change just for the sake of it.

In that sense perhaps Mr Gove is right about Reform UK, it wants to innovate and keep what works, and get rid of what doesn’t.

This is the difference with Socialism where process is all – as exemplified by the exiting, odious K Starmer – whatever the outcome, and the old ways are set in stone. Things that do not comply with the process will be changed whether they are delivering good outcomes or not.

And it is remarkable that Kemi Badenough is claiming – in “Me too” fashion – her Party will do all the things Reform UK want to do, despite her Party having done… Read more »

RTSC
RTSC
2 months ago

Badenough is on a hopeless mission to “restore trust” all the time the Heirs to Blair and the other “leading lights” of the Not-a-Conservative-Party remain in it, and effectively in control of it …. regardless of what she says about the Party being “under new management.”

I might start to pay attention to her when the following are ejected from the Party:

Cameron, Hague, May, Sunak, Johnson, Osborne, Hammond, Hunt, Johnson, Barwell, Goldsmith, Wallace …. oh, and Gove himself.

Solentviews
Solentviews
2 months ago
Reply to  RTSC

What a roll call of shame (and treachery).

RTSC
RTSC
2 months ago

That’s a bit rich, coming from a man who is significantly responsible for the CONservative Party not being Conservative for 14 long years as it set about completing Blair’s job of destroying this country.

Jackthegripper
Jackthegripper
2 months ago

Perhaps Reform should be the Regressive party, I like the sound of regressing to the pre Blair days.
Cancer is progressive if left untreated and that’s what we have currently a cancer eating away all that was good with this country. Lefties like to be ‘progressive,’ it should be a term used against them.

10navigator
10navigator
2 months ago

Can’t abide Gove and wouldn’t trust him as far as I could throw him were he clutching a grand piano. Apropos of Gander, (mentioned in the article), I transited through there many times in the 70s. Quaint! On first arrival, for ‘newbies’ they had to be ‘Screeched’ into the Officers’ Mess. Screech being a local rough rum, a large shot of which had to be necked down with nary a drop left in the glass. The trick (never fails) to coax out at least one drop and thereby ensure a repeat shot is to heat the glass with a lit match or lighter et voila! Great times. I saw ‘Chesty Morgan’ perform her ‘act’ at The Flyers Club too. Alas, no more.

PeterM
PeterM
2 months ago

You missed out the Equality Act and its effects such as the Birmingham bin nonsense of pay parity. The Tories ran with it.

soundofreason
soundofreason
2 months ago

Surely the very definition of conservative would be to conserve what is good and only change what is not. Trouble is so much is not good.

Nature conservation is similar: You want ospreys? Stop building wind turbines. You want fish in the rivers and lakes? Stop polluting them so much. You want decent British-grown food? Make sure you support decent British-grown food.

You want British values? Live by British values. You decide what they are.

Hardliner
2 months ago

Gove is not a Conservative either, so he should know.

FerdIII
FerdIII
2 months ago
Reply to  Hardliner

Belongs to a non Conservative party run by a gap toothed Nigerian. From Churchill to Badenteeth. Sums up the country. Why the hell would Reform want to be imitating that collapse?

CrisBCTnew
CrisBCTnew
2 months ago
Reply to  FerdIII

a gap toothed Nigerian”

You actually mean a “a gap toothed Nigerian PRINCESS”.

Free Lemming
Free Lemming
2 months ago

Yes. Next question.

Mogwai
Mogwai
2 months ago

I don’t know how many agree with this author. Probably the Restorians, more so. There’s a lot of overlap with patriotism and nationalism, isn’t there? But I’m not into all this ”blood and soil” lark, purity spiralling or obsessing over people’s ethnicity, and I couldn’t be chauvinistic if you paid me. It’s not in my nature. Too liberal. So, having just had a quick squiz at the definitions, I’m hanging out on ‘Team Patriot’, which is what I thought anyway;

”For decades, a foolish axiom has governed the nationalist movements of the Western world, especially in Britain: the nationalist must ally with the Right. This marriage of convenience, in which the nationalist votes for the economic libertarian, has been posited as the only viable path to power. It is time to admit that this relationship is toxic. Every time we crawl back into bed with the right wing, we end up back in sheltered housing looking at leaflets for rehab clinics.
The modern “Right Wing”, defined not by cultural conservatism but by its worship of the free market, individualism, and private capital, is the single greatest obstacle to the prosperity of our people. To save nationalism, we must begin the… Read more »

st27
st27
2 months ago
Reply to  Mogwai

I always like reading your properly sceptical views, no matter how many downvotes they get.

In this one you point out the contradiction between nationalist rhetoric and the devotion of those who utter it to the global “Free” market: which is a major point of scepticism (for me) towards Reform/Restore: that I’ve known, protested with and mutually bought pints with many good Reform people doesn’t resolve that problem.

This author is right to point out a factor of “time-dependence”, but I think he’s conflating things which are incommensurable. Particularly on the question of migration: which I agree has reached levels of ludicrous absurdity and – not mismanagement but more non-management – in the UK. There is this temptation which otherwise correct critics of that present situation fall into, to subsume all past immigration issues into some past iteration, or even planned initiation, of what is happening now.

I prefer to see it as a progressive stupidity, in which the past with all its awkward particular sharp corners becomes erased: both by pro-unlimited-immigration types, who don’t know the history, and by anti-immigration types, who imagine that a status quo ante can simply be promised, and achieved, by ignoring exactly the same… Read more »

Mogwai
Mogwai
2 months ago
Reply to  st27

Cheers, st27. I’m here to air my views, not people-please, and that’s always got certain people’s backs up. But isn’t that what this platform should be about? Thanks for taking the time to write such a well-rounded response. I appreciate when people partake in good faith arguments, whether there’s agreement or not. There’s value there. As opposed to demonstrating a reliance on the ‘thumbs of doom’ ( meaningless and irrelevant ) or snark/ad hominem, because they’ve nothing in the tank worthy of a reasoned counter-argument.
Pete North is somebody I find bemusing. He constantly slates ethno-nationalists but also has no time for civic-nationalists, but what is there left? Surely a person must naturally gravitate towards one camp or the other? An excerpt from his latest musings as it’s rather long;

”I don’t subscribe to the ideology of Nick Griffin but I do consider him to be essential reading if you want to understand the fundamentals of doctrinal British nationalism. There’s a lot of newbie eth-nats who cannot comprehend why their position is equated with Nazism, but that’s because they don’t have an intimate understanding of the ideological terrain they’re parked on. You can arrive at ethnonationalism through a process of… Read more »

transmissionofflame
transmissionofflame
2 months ago
Reply to  st27

Who on earth believes that the status quo ante with respect to mass immigration can or will be restored in the UK? Nobody I know. Some people probably post that kind of stuff online probably because it makes them feel better, but I doubt they truly believe it. It would mean deporting many millions of people who have been in the UK legally, many of whom are citizens and many of whom have been here for generations. I think this is largely a straw man argument. I absolutely think that ethnonationalism is fine and moral and sensible when applied to immigration policy, but absolutely not fine when applied to people who were invited here, and reside in the UK legally without breaking the law, however much I may think that their presence is regrettable. We made that bed and we have to lie in it and make the best of it.

I don’t see a particular contradiction between being an immigration restrictionist and believing in free trade. It’s one thing leaving the market to decide which places are best suited to producing what goods and services, quite another accepting millions of people from alien cultures as neighbours.

JXB
JXB
2 months ago
Reply to  Mogwai

The problem with the word “Nationalism” is it has been recast and defined strictly by Mussolini’s and Hitler’s adaptation of Socialism instead of being class struggle, being a struggle between Nations for superiority, to the extent that it is destructive to other Nations.

Nationalism is citizens in a monoculture recognising and celebrating the history, heritage, resources, institutions, successes, potential of their Country which forms a cohesive society with self-awareness.

The determination to destroy Nationalism and National identity by portraying it as Fascist/Hitleresque, is so that citizens will not be loyal and serve the interests of their Country, but instead be manipulated by a self-appointed ruling elite to serve their purposes.

Strong National identity is defence against the tyranny of those who want power and control. Flooding a Country with poor immigrants with no historic, emotional, or cultural connexion or loyalty to it, who will be State-dependent, provides a malleable population easily controlled by the elites.

GunnerBill
GunnerBill
2 months ago

I’ll be honest I’d be happy if Reform we’re simply “old Labour”. What they absolutely have to be is patriotic and 100% focused on white ethnic British people – our country, our borders our defence.

JXB
JXB
2 months ago
Reply to  GunnerBill

Clearly you did not live under Old Labour, and don’t notice we have had its revival these past two years.

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