Was the Maidan Massacre a False Flag?

In 2014, dozens of protestors were killed by snipers on Maidan square, sparking Ukraine's 'Revolution of Dignity'. But eight years later, not a single person has been convicted. Was the massacre a false flag?

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To understand the war in Ukraine, you have understand the events that led up to it. And no preceding event is more important than the toppling of Viktor Yanukovych’s government in February of 2014.

Officially known as the ‘Revolution of Dignity’, it was denounced by Vladimir Putin as an “unconstitutional coup”. And while most Western media stick to the official nomenclature, some prominent voices dissent. John Mearsheimer has referred to “the illegal overthrow of Ukraine’s democratically elected and pro-Russian president”, while George Friedman has described what happened as “the most blatant coup in history”.

A recap of the basic facts is in order.

In November of 2013, Yanukovych’s government suspended plans for signing an Association Agreement with the EU, and decided to renew talks with Russia. This decision sparked protests in Ukraine’s capital city, Kiev. By December, the number of protestors had reached the tens of thousands, and a permanent encampment had been established on Maidan square. Although most of the protesters were ordinary Ukrainians, far-right groups were also present.

Beginning in December, there were violent clashes between protesters and the police. On 23rd January, protestors succeeded in occupying various buildings around Maidan square. The situation came to a head on 18–20th February when protestors were fired upon by snipers, leaving scores dead and hundreds wounded. A dozen police offers were also killed in the clashes. From November 2013 to February 2014, 112 protestors and 18 police officers lost their lives; though most of the killings happened on 20th February.

On 21st February, Yanukovych signed an agreement with the parliamentary opposition calling for reforms and new elections. But the next day, he was impeached by the Ukrainian parliament. This impeachment process was in several respects unconstitutional, and Yanukovych declared he was still “the legitimate head of the Ukrainian state elected in a free vote by Ukrainian citizens”. However, he subsequently fled to Russia and a new government was formed.

The ‘Revolution of Dignity’ led immediately to Russia’s annexation of Crimea, and the outbreak of civil war in Donbas – so its geopolitical importance can hardly be overstated. Yet despite huge international attention, one question remains shrouded in mystery: who ordered snipers to fire at protestors on 18–20th February?

The ‘official’ narrative is that the snipers were from the Berkut – a special police unit loyal to Yanukovych. On the other hand, Russia has long maintained they were deployed by the Ukrainian far-right as part of a false flag operation to bring down Yanukovych’s government.

What is true is that more than eight years after the massacre – which took place amid a giant demonstration at the centre of Ukraine’s capital in front of dozens of television cameras – not a single person has been convicted. The perpetrators of one of the deadliest mass shootings in European history remain at large.

Why don’t we have an answer? Well, perhaps we do.

Away from the limelight, one Canadian academic has been poring over the evidence for the last eight years. And he’s convinced the ‘official’ narrative is wrong. Ivan Katchanovski (a political scientist at the University of Ottawa) believes the Maidan massacre was a false flag operation carried out by the Ukrainian far-right.

Katchanovski speaking in Oliver Stone’s documentary ‘Revealing Ukraine‘.

Professor Katchanovski cannot be dismissed as some fringe commenter or stooge of the Kremlin. He has published his arguments in scholarly books and journals, and has presented them at academic conferences. His latest article, which can be accessed for free, reviews all the evidence he’s collected to date – including witness testimonies, weapon ballistics and medical forensics. It’s based on hundreds of hours of footage of the Maidan massacre trials, as well as synchronised video segments of the massacre itself.

As Katchanovski explains, the ‘false flag theory’ first gained credence in March of 2014, when a phone call between two European officials was leaked online. During the call, the Estonian Foreign Minister Urmas Paet tells the EU’s Catherine Ashton about a conversation he’d had with someone called Olga:

What was quite disturbing, the same Olga told, all the evidence shows that people who were killed by snipers from both sides among policemen and then people from the streets – that they were the same snipers, killing people from both sides. She also showed me some photos. She said that as medical doctor, she can, you know, say that it is the same handwriting, same type of bullets. And it’s really disturbing that now the new coalition, that they don’t want to investigate what exactly happened. So that there is now stronger and stronger understanding that behind snipers it was not Yanukovych but it was somebody from the new coalition.

‘Olga’ was later identified as Olga Bohomolets, a doctor who had treated wounded protestors on Maidan square. When quizzed by the press, she said she had not told Paet that somebody from the new coalition was behind the snipers. Likewise, the Estonian Foreign Ministry said, “We reject the claim that Paet was giving an assessment of the opposition’s involvement in the violence” (though they acknowledged the recording was authentic). It is still unclear why Paet would divulge such shocking revelations if he did not believe they had some basis in fact.

Aside from TV recordings and media reports, much of Katchanovski’s evidence comes from the trials of five Berkut police officers, who were charged with the murder of protestors on 20th February, 2014. Various other state actors, including Yanukovych himself, were also charged, but they were not brought to trial as they had already fled the country. (Recall that none of those put on trial were convicted.)

What, then, is Katchanovski’s evidence?

The majority of wounded protestors who testified at the trail said they were shot by snipers from Maidan-controlled buildings. Remarkably, even many witnesses for the prosecution said this. Their testimony is consistent with video footage of journalists and protestors pointing to snipers in buildings like the Hotel Ukraine, which were under Maidan control at the time.

Police snipers testified that they had been ordered to locate and neutralise snipers firing from Maidan-controlled buildings. And Yanukovych himself, who appeared at the trial via video-link, testified that he had received reports of snipers firing from those buildings.

Several Georgian ex-military personnel who testified at the trail actually confessed they were among the snipers, and had been given orders by specific Maidan leaders to fire upon the protestors. They also testified that they had witnessed other snipers shooting from Maidan-controlled buildings. By contrast, no police officers or other state actors confessed to having fired upon protestors.

In the majority of cases where wounded protestors testified that they had been shot by snipers from police-controlled areas, other evidence contradicted their testimony. For example, synchronized video segments showed the exact times they were hit did not coincide with the exact times police officers were discharging their weapons. Other videos showed that several protesters were killed before police officers had even taken up their positions.

Forensic examinations by government experts revealed that the majority of protestors were shot from the side or back, and from top to bottom, strongly suggesting they had been hit by snipers from Maidan-controlled buildings. Only one protestor had a horizontal entry wound. Experts also determined that several protestors were killed by bullets that did not match those used by the police.

An American architecture company created a 3D model of the killing of three protestors, which was used as evidence that those protestors were in fact killed by the police. (This 3D model was covered in a 2018 New York Times article.) However, the wound locations in the model did not match the wound locations from forensic medical examinations.

A screenshot from the video appendix to Katchanovski’s latest paper.

Aside from what Katchanovski calls “overwhelming evidence” that protestors were shot from Maidan-controlled buildings, he believes there was a cover-up by the post-Maidan authorities.

On 21st February, the Ukrainian parliament passed an amnesty law granting blanket immunity to Maidan protestors for serious crimes that had taken place during the protests. This law also prohibited investigation of the protestors for such crimes, and ordered that existing evidence be destroyed.

Two of the Berkut police officers who had been charged with murdering protestors were released by trial judges due to lack of evidence, suggesting the charges against them were trumped up. And all remaining defendants were released in a prisoner exchange within several months of the expected verdict.

Public statements made by various Maidan participants concerning the far-right’s involvement in the massacre were never investigated. One politician said she saw Maidan leaders bringing snipers into a building and then saw snipers firing from that building. Several activists said they witnessed snipers being evacuated by Maidan leaders. And another politician said that Maidan leaders had “arranged” the massacre.

There were unexplained reversals of testimony on the part of wounded Maidan protestors. Key pieces of evidence went missing or were destroyed. Several trees with bullet holes in them were cut down; all helmets and shields used by those who were shot disappeared, as did security camera footage from Maidan-controlled buildings.

Finally, two far-right politicians stated in separate interviews that a Western government official told them killings of a few protestors would not be enough for Western governments to stop recognising Yanukovych, and for that to happen the number of victims would need to be 100. The protesters who lost their lives subsequently became known as the “Heavenly Hundred”, even though some of those ‘hundred’ were not killed in the massacre itself (and in fact simply died of illness.)

On the basis of all the evidence he’s gathered, Katchanovski concludes that the Maidan massacre was “a false flag operation” which involved “elements of the Maidan leadership”.

If true, the implications are immense. It would mean the event that marked the turning point of Euromaidan – that set in motion Yanukovych’s removal from power – was in fact orchestrated by his political opponents. And aside from implicating those individuals in a brutal act of mass murder, it would remove any doubt that the that the ‘Revolution of Dignity’ was illegitimate.

Is it true?

I have been unable to track down any serious criticism of Katchanovski’s work, and when I reached out to him, he told me “there is no other scholarly study” that disputes his findings. What’s more, the political scientist Gordon Hahn reached similar conclusions in his book Ukraine Over the Edge: Russia, the West and the “New Cold War”.

So why haven’t Western governments shown more interest in investigating the massacre? I put this question to Katchanovski. He said that such an investigation would be “politically inconvenient” because it would “upend the narrative that the Western backed overthrow of the Ukrainian government in 2014 by the pro-Western Maidan opposition was peaceful and democratic”. He added that a definitive answer could be obtained by consulting relevant documents once they are declassified.

As I mentioned above, Katchanovski has published his arguments concerning the ‘false flag theory’ in scholarly books and journals, and has presented them at academic conferences. All the germane papers are available for free online. You might therefore expect for his work to have received significant media attention – particularly in the last few months.

Yet with the exception of a few ‘non-mainstream’ outlets, it hasn’t. Major Western media have ignored his studies “for political reasons”, he told me. This is despite the fact that Katchanovski’s other work on Ukraine (unrelated to the massacre) has received ample media attention, including from the Associated Press, Reuters and the Washington Post.

Katchanovski knows that certain media outlets are aware of his work because he’s brought it to their attention. Following the New York Times article on the 3D model of killings at Maidan, he sent a letter to the editor pointing out they had “misrepresented the wound locations”. But his letter wasn’t published. In another case, “Open Democracy accepted a popular version of my Maidan massacre study, but then did not publish it.” Katchanovski said he gave “long interviews concerning the Maidan massacre to several major TV and Radio networks” but “none of them were broadcast”. In every single case “there was no reason given”.

The only time Katchanovski’s work on the massacre has been put under the spotlight was in Oliver Stone’s 2019 documentary Revealing Ukraine. This film is available on Rumble, and the relevant segment begins at 20:00. 

What about everything that’s happened since? In our email exchange, Katchanovski clarified that the Maidan massacre “does not justify the Russian invasion and other actions in Ukraine”. Equally, however, Russia’s invasion does not justify ignoring – in his words – “overwhelming and undeniable evidence” of Maidan snipers.

If others believe that Katchanovski is mistaken, they must come forward and present their arguments. In the meantime, I would strongly recommend reading his papers: they make a compelling case that what’s been labelled a “conspiracy theory” is, in fact, true.

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Ivan
Ivan
4 years ago

Bullets were removed from the bodies of murdered and wounded maidan protesters and forensic examinations found that these bullets were shot from the rifles of the Ukrainian government police and security forces. There are many available internet sources that provide this information. You can find more if you google words: ” Ivan Katchanovski falsifier “. 

http://ivan-katchanovski.blogspot.com/2019/03/twelve-automatic-rifles-of-berkut.html

http://ivan-katchanovski.blogspot.com/

Ivan
Ivan
4 years ago

Bullets were removed the bodies of murdered and wounded maidan protesters and forensic examinations found that these bullets were shot from the rifles of the Ukrainian government police and security forces. There are many available internet sources that prove this information. You can find more if you google words: ” Ivan Katchanovski falsifier “. 

http://ivan-katchanovski.blogspot.com/2019/03/twelve-automatic-rifles-of-berkut.html

http://ivan-katchanovski.blogspot.com/

Sectasch
Sectasch
4 years ago

Similar to the story about taking down a commercial plane over Ukraine. It’s mind boggling when you get into it. Now all Europe has to suffer more, because of this crazy obsession with Russia.

crosspot2
crosspot2
4 years ago

This is Noah’s nuttiest conspiracy theory yet. The evidence seems to be largely hearsay from people with a pro-Putin agenda.
The Berkut police officers must be glad they were tried in a fair justice system with insufficient evidence. Under a Russian justice system, regardless of guilt or innocence, they would now be either dead or serving long prison sentences.

bfbf334
bfbf334
4 years ago
Reply to  crosspot2

Nut job Cocaine Import Agency bot

mojo
mojo
4 years ago

It amazes me that all upheavals, coups etc are called ‘far right’. Whenever I look into history I find it is the socialists who want Utopia and the Communists who want the perfect control of people who tend to create upheaval and murder. I suspect the West and particularly USA Democrats needed Ukraine for nefarious reasons. Western Governments are now predominantly left wing. Hungary alone is right wing.

Democrat Party in America has caused more upheaval and war than any other stand alone party. Democrats are leftwing. However, I believe American Globalists want to rule the world and destroy the common man. This is what Maidan was about and it signalled the beginning of bringing down Russia who stood firm for the nation and God.

Sontol
Sontol
4 years ago
Reply to  mojo

‘This is what Maidan was about and it signalled the beginning of bringing down Russia who stood firm for the nation and God’

Which god do you believe Russia is following and promoting via its current mass murder and destruction in Ukraine?

Presumably not the deity / spirituality and moral code advocated by Jesus Christ, who willingly went to his own brutal death as a known consequence of his campaign against all sectarianism, hatred and violence (including that of the state and religious institutions of his own day)

An anti-violence position fully upheld by the great Russian writer Leo Tolstoy in his later life.

Ivan the Terrible
Ivan the Terrible
4 years ago

I was in Russian when these events took place and so exposed to the Russian point of view. I never had any doubt that this was, a false flag, the ‘official’ explanation was that Berkut fired on unarmed protestors and then ran away which made no sense. Why should they need to run away if they had arms, and the protesters didn’t?

pfharris
pfharris
4 years ago

Loyalty to the truth, not our leaders. Question everything. Yes, this was a false flag operation. Criminal.

Ivan
Ivan
4 years ago

Bullets were removed the bodies of murdered and wounded maidan protesters and forensic examinations found that these bullets were shots from the rifles of the Ukrainian government police and security forces. You can find more if you google words: ” Ivan Katchanovski falsifier “

Ivan
Ivan
4 years ago
Reply to  Ivan

It does not negate the fact that bullets were removed the bodies of murdered and wounded maidan protesters and forensic examinations found that these bullets were shots from the rifles of the Ukrainian government police and security forces.
There are many available sources that prove this information.

Ivan
Ivan
4 years ago
Reply to  Ivan

bullets were removed from the bodies 

ImpObs
ImpObs
4 years ago
Reply to  Ivan

@Svyatoslav just like JFK lol

if it were true you wouldn’t have to waste your life creating hundreds of pages of nonsense impersonating Professor Katchanovski to misrepresent his views.

Ivan
Ivan
4 years ago
Reply to  ImpObs

There are many internet sources and video about the facts that bullets were removed from the bodies of murdered and wounded maidan protesters and forensic examinations found that these bullets were shots from the rifles of the Ukrainian government police and security forces.

Ivan
Ivan
4 years ago
Reply to  ImpObs

You must read the internet sources and videos about the fact that bullets were removed from the bodies of murdered and wounded maidan protesters and forensic examinations found that these bullets were shots from the rifles of the Ukrainian government police and security forces.
http://ivan-katchanovski.blogspot.com/2019/03/twelve-automatic-rifles-of-berkut.html
No one impersonates Katchanovski and misrepresents his views.

Ivan
Ivan
4 years ago
Reply to  ImpObs

You say that this information is not true without reading these website, the internet sources and vides that bullets were removed from the bodies of murdered and wounded maidan protesters and forensic examinations found that these bullets were shots from the rifles of the Ukrainian government police and security forces.

Ivan
Ivan
4 years ago
Reply to  ImpObs

I can ask you by the same way: if the information of the Ivan Katchanovski papers were true he wouldn’t have to waste his life writing his bogus papers with lies, falsifications and misrepresentations.

ImpObs
ImpObs
4 years ago

Hux, glad I took your comments onboard regarding these threads the other day, it’s a comedy of surreal humour watching from the sidelines!

Also happy to see Mark holding the fort, even tho it seems repetative from the baiters, he still manages to bring something new into it.

Lord Snotty
Lord Snotty
4 years ago

…Inconvienient to the Russian invasion enthusiasts.

“Katchanovski clarified that the Maidan massacre “does not justify the Russian invasion and other actions in Ukraine”. 

Lord Snotty
Lord Snotty
4 years ago

Katchanovski clarified that the Maidan massacre “does not justify the Russian invasion and other actions in Ukraine”. 

RW
RW
4 years ago

There’s absolutely no point reading a text which practially starts with the word Mearsheimer. The self-appointed Putin whisperer may go now.

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  RW

I guess that makes you an Obama whisperer.

DomH75
DomH75
4 years ago

Many years ago, my father and mother attended a speech by Kate Adie at the Dartington Literary Festival. She talked about, among other things, censorship of the Press in countries such as China (she was at the Tiananmen Square Massacre). In the Q&A, my Dad asked her whether she thought the arrival of the Internet would herald a rise of an underground press, if governments increased interference with the media and the media owners got too far in cahoots with them. Kate dodged the question.
It’s safe to say – in an era where Blair and Cameron have high-ranking media people as godparents to their children and we see massive censorship and manipulation of information – that a new press has emerged that is now facing a two-pronged assault from the state and the old press. So my Dad – a retired journalist – was right. It’s sad that my Dad, now in his 80s, tells people he was a newspaper journalist, then apologises for it, saying he can’t bear to see what’s become of the media.

Fingal
Fingal
4 years ago
Reply to  DomH75

The saddest thing is that so many members of this website take Putin-media hook, line and sinker without a single question.

kate
kate
4 years ago

https://www.bitchute.com/video/UvNDNb4o6MKh/
Fascinating lecture by Dr A Fursov.
Analysing the political and economic situation, the post capitalist world, the Great Reset, the deliberate pauperisation of the majority and the new controllers.
Watch on 2x speed as it is subtitled. In Russian and a novel perspective from someone outside the western consensus outlook.

ImpObs
ImpObs
4 years ago
Reply to  kate

Indeed it was facinating, thanks for sharing Kate.

I think he gave too much away about the “multipolar” stuff for the closing argument to stick. I’m not buying it, Russia, China are all in on the CBDC stuff, they also played the covid game (as did Trump) not to mention the timing of Ukraine.

They’re putting on a good show, but you can still see the bricks at the back of the theater if you squint through the .alt media lens. (Corbett has some good insight here)

Mark
Mark
4 years ago

And a reminder of where the war of hatred promoted by the US-backed Ukrainian regime ends: terrorism.

Russians With Attitude
@RWApodcast
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https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1531234241828245504

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

The US is the principal World Sponsor of terrorism !

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

The US armed ‘freedom fighters’, the Mujahideen in Afghanistan, against the USSR who considered them terrorists.

Fast forward to when the US invaded Afghanistan and the Mujahideen turned their stockpiled weapons against them. Suddenly those freedom fighters became terrorists.

Just one of many instances.

TripleJabbed
TripleJabbed
4 years ago

If we are laying out all the facts, we should start with the fact that the Maidan riots were started when Yanukovych rejected the Association Agreement with the EU that had been overwhelmingly accepted by the Ukrainian parliament. There has long been, in the west of Ukraine at least, a very strong popular demand for accession to the EU. This isn’t confected by Victoria Nuland, or the US, or the (villain voice) “globalists,” it is real.

Ukraine has long had a corruption problem, and I find it very easy to believe that the Maidan uprising was both a false flag operation and extremely popular among Ukrainian people, just as Yanukovych was both wrongly removed from office and corrupt as f*ck.

iane
iane
4 years ago
Reply to  TripleJabbed

Or, “corrupt as Zelensky”!

TripleJabbed
TripleJabbed
4 years ago
Reply to  iane

I just don’t get this hatred for Zelensky, some people need him to be a devil. Even someone who disagrees with Zelensky should admire his personal courage in the face of possible death, but that admirable character trait just seems to enrage some people.

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  TripleJabbed

How should we view the vast amount of money he has accumulated between his time as an actor and comedian, and the last 8 years?

Just how does any politician make $1bn on a salary of a few hundred thousand?

TripleJabbed
TripleJabbed
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

What a load of old horse shit. You have no idea how much money Zelensky has made in the last 8 years. Ukraine is a corrupt country, it is quite possible any President there is corrupt, but you have pulled a fantasy number from the internet because you want it to be true rather than the kind of hard evidence that a true sceptic looks for.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

He has ‘powerful friends’ overseas who currently see him as “useful”?

Gives new edge to the old cliché: “a price worth paying”?

MrTea
MrTea
4 years ago
Reply to  TripleJabbed

‘Even someone who disagrees with Zelensky should admire his personal courage’

Every single soldier fighting on either side is braver than that globalist tw@t sat in his bunker far away from enemy fire.

artfelix
artfelix
4 years ago
Reply to  TripleJabbed

I very much doubt he’s at any personal risk – at least not from the Russians. And I’m not sure my well of sympathy extends to people who have -actively or passively – enabled and supported racially-based ethnic cleansing. There is no scenario in which he is the good guy.

TripleJabbed
TripleJabbed
4 years ago
Reply to  artfelix

So why exactly do you think that Russian airborne forces made an attack on Hostomol airport on 24th February? You think that they were coming to tickle Zelensky until he laughed?

Ever since Victor Yushchenko was poisoned by unknown forces, I think every President of Ukraine not well disposed to Putin has been at some personal risk.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  TripleJabbed

He’s no devil – just a stooge!

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  TripleJabbed

Brexit was nearly overturned. What’s your point?

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

You think Johnson has delivered the “Brexit “we imagined?

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

Nope. My point is that our ‘democracy’ was almost turned on its head. Why do we imagine one of the most corrupt ‘democracies’ would be any better?

Lord Snotty
Lord Snotty
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Did you know the referendum was advisory. Since the Brexit claims were broadly lies, there would have been justification in parliament overturning it.

MPs have an obligation to act in the best interests of their constituents. Obviously this is ignored, as they act only to maximise their election chances.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  Lord Snotty

No “lies” from the Remainer Civil Servants the BBC and the duplicitous two -faced Cameron/May Government of course?

The current fashion in Whitehall encouraged from the top for wholesale and blatant lying about simply everything started with Brexit.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

A sound point.

Lord Snotty
Lord Snotty
4 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

You mean the” have your cake and eat it” BREXIT.

Observe the frictionless trade to NI.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  Lord Snotty

No, simply a return of National Sovereignty to a functioning Sovereign Parliament for the whole United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland would have been be a good start.

The cake metaphor is for Johnson – it was always just EU nonsense as far as the Brexit debate was concerned .

The reality is that the EU is just an anti-free trade, protectionist Cartel, run by unelected power grabbing bureaucrats with Globalist aspirations and allegiance to the World Bank and Davos – who knew?

greggsy01
greggsy01
4 years ago

Maidan Massacre possible False Flag? Doesn’t matter
Neo Nazi in Ukraine? Doesn’t matter
Hunter Biden dark deals in Ukraine? Doesn’t matter
Zelensky’s hidden wealth? Doesn’t matter 
Pentagon sponsored bio-labs in Ukraine? Doesn’t matter
Persecution of Russians? Doesn’t matter
Donbass war and atrocities from the Ukrainian side? Doesn’t matter
Pouring of weapons by the west facilitating the proxy war (prior to 2022)? Doesn’t matter
And the list of inconvenient truths goes on…

kate
kate
4 years ago

In 2021 – the last treaty that exists to regulate nuclear weapons expires. What then?
start video with Putin at 2 mins

https://www.bitchute.com/video/R9tt5Aq1UMc/

Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago

False flag seems at least possible, nazis too perhaps. Who has come closest to his ambitions since? Putin of course, perhaps the nazi snipers were Wagner Group (‘Putin’s Own’). The seizing of Crimea starting on 20th February was hardly a coincidence. Russia has been replacing Crimea’s population since 1783 to secure its warm water port. Duginist Novorossiya fantasies and oil and gas offshore are the latest incentives.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Sherratt

1783! – a lot of vodka has flowed under the bridge since 1783!

You know that Crimea’s population were Tartars and other minority groups from central Asia with only small slavic tribes represented don’t you?

Western Ukrainians have nothing in common with them and in fact they are among group the Azovs want ‘ ethnically cleansed’ from a ” racially pure”” Ukraine.

Russia is of course multi-ethnic in composition .

Ukraine has no valid cultural or ethnic claim of Crimea whatever, only the whim of Khrushchev – who was Ukrainian and handed it to his own!

Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

Are you talking about the Tartars deported in 1944 by Beria (Putin of course a KGB man very much in that tradition as shown by the current deportations of Ukrainians to all parts of Russia)? Perhaps the Greeks, Armenians, Georgians and other Christians who founded Mariupol in 1780 after being deported from Crimea? Zelenskiy a Russophone Jew was elected by an overwhelming majority in 2019 and at the subsequent parliamentary election the ‘far-right’ coalition got 2% of the vote and no seats. His platform included negotiating peace with Russia.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Sherratt

Yes indeed ‘minorities’ – not the Slav Ukrainians preferred by the “ethnic cleansing” Azov Brigades .

Rigged elections are now all the rage or haven’t you noticed?

Z was lying about his “negotiation” with Russia as we have see and by the refusal to implement the Minsk agreement – in fact he lies nearly as much as Johnson, his new best friend!

The “far right” as yo call them were already filling up the Militias so who needs Parliamentary seats in a dictatorship?

Tell us where the Ukraine ‘Opposition” leaders are now in n
Zelensky’s sham ‘democracy’..

Nigel Sherratt
Nigel Sherratt
4 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

So no problem with genocide as long as it’s of ‘minorities’?

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago

Does anyone imagine that the biggest coup against global democracy, the rigging of the 2020 US Presidential election could be rigged, and the politics of a flat broke, corrupt country like Ukraine couldn’t be manipulated?

Paul B
Paul B
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

As long as there’s 5% for the big-guy

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  Paul B

Make it 10% – inflation is rampant!

Lord Snotty
Lord Snotty
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

They stopped Trump from rigging the election.
He tried but failed.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  Lord Snotty

Dream on!

Shimpling Chadacre
Shimpling Chadacre
4 years ago
Reply to  Lord Snotty

Hilarious. Do you do stand up?

Paul B
Paul B
4 years ago

What happened to the mandate drop in healthcare, anyone heard anything out of interest?

I wonder if they will push it back to prevent this site getting a scoop lol.

Monro
Monro
4 years ago

Not too sure where Mr Carl is going with this.

As Mr Katchanovski says:

‘The absolute majority of the Maidan protesters, activists, members, and supporters of the “Euromaidan” mass protests and parties that led these protests, including the victims among the protestors, were not aware about the actual organizers and perpetrators of this politically motivated murder and not involved in any other way in this mass killing…’

The “Snipers’ Massacre” on the Maidan in Ukraine September 2015 Conference: Annual Meeting of American Political Science Association San Francisco

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  Monro

What’s your point?

Monro
Monro
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

It’s not a point. It’s a question.

Why do you ask?

For a fist full of roubles
For a fist full of roubles
4 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Doesn’t sound like a question to me. It sounds like a statement, but, as RHS said, what is your point in making it?

Monro
Monro
4 years ago

My question, plain as a pike staff to anyone with a scintilla of perspicacity, is ‘where is Mr Carl going with this?’.

Mr Katchanovski’s excellent work has been in the public domain since 2015. He points out that most involved in the Maidan protest had no clue or complicity regarding the ‘false flag’ shootings.

So what, exactly, is the point that the article is trying to make?

Do you know?

Nearhorburian
Nearhorburian
4 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Title of the article: “Was the Maidan massacre a false flag?”

Answer supplied by the article: yes it was.

Clearly, if the protesters had known in advance that many of them were to be murdered by their own side they would, at the very least, have been less likely to be there.

Do you believe we shouldn’t know what happened?

Monro
Monro
4 years ago
Reply to  Nearhorburian

The answer to that question has been clear since 2015.

What is the point of this article?

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  Monro

The “clear answer” has been denied by all western Governments and politicians in support of the coup presented and faked as a spontaneous ‘democratic’ ( sic) popular uprising ‘ sponsored by the CIA and US State Department, with the EU trotting along behind, to secure an anti-Russian regime change in the Ukraine.

It was a great success! The article serves as a very timely reminder of where the current Ukraine conflict started , who started it and why.

Monro
Monro
4 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

Evidence for these assertions?

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  Monro

My question, plain as a pike staff 

Clearly not as at least two of us didn’t understand what you were driving at.

Monro
Monro
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

To anyone with a scintilla of perspicacity

For a fist full of roubles
For a fist full of roubles
4 years ago
Reply to  Monro

Someone with perspicacity would see that that you quite clearly admitted a lack of knowledge (“I don’t know”). That is a statement.

You patently did not ask the question that claim you did. The words are quite clear.

Monro
Monro
4 years ago

The nuances of English are often tricky to those for whom it is not their first language.

Star
Star
4 years ago

Talk about not seeing the woods for the trees. It’ll be like the OJ Simpson trial next. Oh thank you thank you, New York Times. But whoooppps, they’ve missed the Israeli angle.

“If others believe that Katchanovski is mistaken, they must come forward and present their arguments.”

That’s called sealioning. He can answer this message if he wishes.

Hey let’s set up a Maidan Truther movement to bore everyone to death.

Of course it was a f***ing coup, and the snipers were instructed by those who benefited from the coup, and it was successful. We don’t need any academics to tell us that.

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  Star

Occam……..

MrTea
MrTea
4 years ago

The government want to shut down free speech on the internet because far too many people are waking up to the fact that ‘our team’ are the baddies.

DomH75
DomH75
4 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

Or at least ‘our’ team has become too big (through all the supranational organisations and big states) and is now hopelessly corrupt and unaccountable to ordinary people, who are effectively held hostage by non-domicile corporations, internationalist treaty organisations such as the UN, WHO and EU and manipulative organisations, such as the WEF and Soros’s businesses.
The WEF is running indoctrination ‘academies’ whose graduates are then placed into governments, civil services and big business, not to serve the people, but to further the aims of the WEF and its kin. Essentially, the lunatic cults of the 19th and early 20th centuries have ditched the village halls and moved to Davos. The military or workman’s clothes have been replaced by Italian designer bespoke suits. But they’re still the same authoritarian, Platonic, genocidal loons of 100 years ago and right now, it feels like we’re all living in 1913 again!

Rowan
Rowan
4 years ago

Equally, however, Russia’s invasion does not justify ignoring – in his words – “overwhelming and undeniable evidence” of Maidan snipers.

Russia’s “invasion” is about far far more than the Maidan killinsgs. That should be clear to all of us by now.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  Rowan

Only those who bother to inform themselves and avoid MSM propaganda – so around 10% of the population – (max)?

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

Stop calling him Max, Shirley……..

🤣

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago

Of course it was a False Flag – this was obvious at the time – for details ask Victoria (“F*ck the EU”) Nuland who ran the whole show!

Why is this even a debate?

As I recall, the highly qualified Baroness Ashton, so grandly titled “High Representative of the EU in Foreign Affairs” ( who so usefully speaks no “Foreign” language). Was told by the Prime Minister of a Baltic State exactly what was going on and famously replied “Gosh!” !

Sontol
Sontol
4 years ago
Reply to  David Beaton

Of course it was a False Flag – this was obvious at the time – for details ask Victoria (“F*ck the EU”) Nuland who ran the whole show! Why is this even a debate?

Yes, clearly this relatively minor US government official (who made an off the cuff remark in a private conversation with another relatively minor official) was able to use her overwhelming personal powers to force hundreds of thousand of Ukrainian citizens onto the streets in protest against the Yanukovich regime, compel anti-government snipers to murder members of their own side in a false flag operation, and hypnotise the Ukrainian Parliament into voting 328 to nil to have President Yanukovich removed from office.

Why, indeed, is such an obvious fact even discussed?.

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  Sontol

Do you imagine they would give this job to a senior political figure in Obama’s government?

Don’t be ridiculous, she’s expendable.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

She is also easy to hide in the woodwork (until she starts giving out cakes in her unbridled enthusiasm to support the ‘coup’ that is!).

Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Sontol

Of course, just a “relatively minor US government official“. Empowered by the “over $5 billion” we’ve “invested in the Ukraine“.

Victoria Nuland US has invested $5 billion in Ukraine

Of course, “we certainly didn’t spend any money supporting the Maidan“, or trying to drive that country in any particular direction. Well, obviously “we” pushed it towards its “European future“, but that’s just the path of goodness and light, and we only support it because we are noble altruists seeking the good of foreigners everywhere and spending US taxpayers’ money frugally in support of the path of goodness and light. for their benefit alone, not at all in our own interests.

You get to choose how plausible you think that nonsense is.

Sontol
Sontol
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

In this speech of December 2013 (ie before the 20 February massacre) Victoria Nuland expressed the US government’s support for the Ukrainian people’s democratic right (as expressed through both parliamentary and presidential election results) to move toward integration into Europe and its liberal democratic traditions; rather than be forced into stronger alignment with the quasi-totalitarian Russian state through the unilateral decisions of President Yanukovich (going against his own electoral pledges).

She also supported their right to peaceful demonstration free from the sort of brutal suppression that had already been carried out under the orders of the Yanukovich government .

And finally she mentioned that since Ukraine’s independence from the now dismantled tyrannical Soviet Union in 1991 the US had provided $5 billion to assist it in its desire to create democratic structures.

All of this comprises a straightforward morally and practically supportive agenda, and none of it the sort of hidden manipulation or mind control that the ‘the US was pulling the strings and engineered a coup in Ukraine’ Russian propagandist theories suggest.

Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Sontol

All of this comprises a straightforward morally and practically supportive agenda,

Of course it does. Those noble neocons, of whom Nuland very definitely is one, both by marriage and by inclination, are only motivated by altruism and never tell lies, unless they are Straussian noble lies, for the greater good of us all. Even, if only they understood it and could see the bigger picture, those whose societies are destroyed and whose families are blown to bits as a result.

When encountering such colossal naivety and ignorance, it’s genuinely difficult to know if we are dealing with honest foolishness, intentional lies, or some kind of spoof.

Mark
Mark
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

Straussian Noble Lie:

“Strauss noted that thinkers of the first rank, going back to Plato, had raised the problem of whether good and effective politicians could be completely truthful and still achieve the necessary ends of their society. By implication, Strauss asks his readers to consider whether it is true that noble lies have no role at all to play in uniting and guiding the polis. He questions whether myths are needed to give people meaning and purpose and whether they ensure a stable society in contrast to the more skeptical attitude which posits that men dedicated to the relentless examination of, in Nietzschean language, “deadly truths” can flourish freely, all the while concluding with an inquiry into whether there can be a limit to the political and epistemic absolutes. In The City and Man, Strauss discusses the myths outlined in Plato’s Republic that are required for all governments. These include a belief that the state’s land belongs to it even though it was likely acquired illegitimately and that citizenship is rooted in something more than the accidents of birth. Seymour Hersh also claims that Strauss endorsed noble lies: myths used by political leaders seeking to maintain a cohesive society.[8][9]… Read more »

Sontol
Sontol
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark

“Of course it does. Those noble neocons, of whom Nuland very definitely is one, both by marriage and by inclination, are only motivated by altruism and never tell lies, unless they are Straussian noble lies, for the greater good of us all. Even, if only they understood it and could see the bigger picture, those whose societies are destroyed and whose families are blown to bits as a result.”

I did not say a syllable about the issues you just raised (I don’t deal in personal labelling and judgements, just ideological and practical matters) but rather responded to the video of a Nuland speech you put forward as proof that she / the US government engineered and were responsible for the situation in Ukraine in 2014.

And the speech contains no evidence of that type whatsoever, it simply expresses a morally supportive stance towards those seeking more European style liberal democracy and less Russian type tyranny in Ukraine, as I indicated in my first reply.

Incidentally if your position now is that the speech was full of the sort of ‘Straussian noble lies’ you ascribe to ‘neocons’ I wonder why you recommended it in the first place.

Finally re “if… Read more »

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  Sontol

BS – pure and simple!

greggsy01
greggsy01
4 years ago
Reply to  Sontol

And we all know where this forced democracy through American interference leads. It leads to failed states of which there are many examples.

And finally she mentioned that since Ukraine’s independence from the now dismantled tyrannical Soviet Union in 1991 the US had provided $5 billion to assist it in its desire to create democratic structures.

How much of this aid ended up laundered and in the offshores? Judging by the fact that Ukraine used to be a power-house of soviet republics and now is one of the poorest countries GDP wise, a lot of this aid has been stolen, most likely.

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  Sontol

You believe Victoria Nuland.

How sweet.

Sontol
Sontol
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

Well if the new position is that Victoria Nuland’s speech was riven with lies and deception, can you explain to me why Mark recommended it as proof of US instigation and control of the situation in Ukraine in 2014? (I have asked Mark himself already).

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  Sontol

“Relatively minor” – in your universe of course – check out her husband’s contribution to the New American Century project and her role since Clinton was in Office.

“Compel”? Nazis don’t need compulsion – they kill for pleasure.

“Of the cuff” reveals the true level of contempt American neo- cons have for their European ‘allies ( or ‘compliant stooges’ as they ought to be known)

Smelly Melly
Smelly Melly
4 years ago

Look up the “Corruption Perceptions Index” which lists countries by their perceived level of corruption. Ukraine is 122nd on the list, Albanian is considered to be less corrupt. As corruption goes Ukraine is up there with African countries.

So before you give money to the Ukraine just think how big the Ukrainian Oligarchs super yacht will be.

(I use to belong to a social/charitable organisation, but I have got deluded and no longer give to charity. I’ve heard of so many cases of corruption that I no longer care. (One charitable activity took the biscuit as far as I’m concerned. Funds were being raised to enable clean water for African villages. These water stand pipes were installed and people had access to clean water. A year later the stand pipes and associated equipment had been removed and was being used for politicians swimming pools.))

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  Smelly Melly

So before you give money to the Ukraine just think how big the Ukrainian Oligarchs super yacht will be.

And the Biden crime syndicate.

Sontol
Sontol
4 years ago

A) Whoever was responsible the deaths of 49 people in Kyiv on 20 February 2014 provides zero justification for the 10s of thousands of deaths that have taken place in Kyiv and Ukraine as a whole since the 24 February 2020 invasion by the Russian Federation.

No doubt about responsibility there.

B) Regarding Ivan Katchanovski’s false flag theory, he claims that ‘at least an absolute majority’ of the protesters were killed by anti-government snipers. In other words even after a near impenetrable 75 page document plus supporting visual evidence he can provide no precise figures.

C) We are meant to believe that over the course of 2 hours snipers were given free reign to occupy and make use of anti-government occupied buildings (such as the Hotel Ukraine) to murder protesters, with no one intervening.

D) There would be absolutely no motivation for such a false flag. The Yanukovich regime and its Berkut enforcers had already used mass murderous force against largely unarmed protestors, and the Ukrainian Parliament was already in near total opposition to it.

E) Further to the above, Katchanovski’s claim that an unnamed western government official instigated this alleged false flag operation by stating that there ‘needed to… Read more »

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  Sontol

Wow!

Kool Aid is getting powerful these days.

Whilst Katchanovski openly presents the gaps in his evidence, you are absolutely certain, from your rudimentary analysis of a situation you haven’t studied in depth for the last 8 years, that everything was as presented by the official narrative.

Furthermore, your shrill condemnation of Russia as the perpetrator of the current situation entirely ignores that western Ukraine were the aggressors and mounted an artillery bombardment of Donbas for seven days before Russia’s intervention.

Russia invoked its right to protect another UN region under UN Article 51 which is clear on the subject. Russia was entitled to intervene.

Article 51
of the Charter of the United Nations
24 Oct. 1945 -|Last updated: 01 Oct. 2009 15:42
EnglishFrenchRussian

Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council… Read more »

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

“TheTruth” carries its own weight!

Sontol
Sontol
4 years ago
Reply to  RedhotScot

You would rather the genocide of ethnic Russians in the east than Putin intervening to stop it?

A) The ‘genocide’ allegedly taking place in Donbas immediately prior to the invasion involved a sum total of 7 civilian deaths through direct military action (and that means killed by either side) in the whole of 2021. The very year that President Putin began amassing his invasion force on the Ukrainian borders.

The situation in eastern Ukraine, though by no means perfect, had massively clamed down since both the Minsk Agreement and accession of President Zelensky in 2019.

B) How many civilians (never mind soldiers on either side) have died in Donbas since the Putin regime began its merciful and anti-genocidal ‘special military operation’ in February 2022?

greggsy01
greggsy01
4 years ago

The leader of Neo-Nazi gang admitting their role in the Maidan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOBntnuYCMA
He doesn’t openly say they’re killing people, although it’s clear he means violence.
BBC and Co: ‘peaceful Maidan protesters’. Yeah, right.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  greggsy01

The Ukrainian Government Riot Police had no guns, only helmets, batons and shields.Video images clearly show them brutalised and even deliberately set on fire by “elements” of the crowd.

There is plenty of video footage of the assaults available.

jmc
jmc
4 years ago

If Oliver Stones involved then you can be sure its is not only completely wrong but mostly fabricated. His “documentaries” and films involved the same distortions selective quoting and misleading editing I see daily on Russian TV at the moment. And the outright fabricated of setup situations and events.

Stone makes sh*t up. Always has. A very nasty and repellent person in real life despite the act.

There was gross inference and plotting by some high EU / US people at the time. So what. The Russians had spent the previous 15 years interfering in the domestic politics of all their neighbors. The one person on the EU side in Kyiv at the time who did overstep the mark was the person who made completely wild and unsustainable promises which never could have been kept. That was a big destabilizing factor. But if she had not I am sure Putin would have done something else equally disruptive.

RedhotScot
RedhotScot
4 years ago
Reply to  jmc

Straw man argument.

The article is about Katchanovski’s evidence, not Stone, who merely included some of it in his documentary.

Examine the evidence, not the messenger who did, or more importantly, didn’t publish it.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  jmc

We cannot assume anything of the kind. But it is so very convenient for you to assume that rather than address the evidence itself.

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