There follows a guest post by Dr. Raminder Mulla, Amy Willows and Rusere Shoniwa, who decided that rather than just listen to the lazy stereotypes of sceptics portrayed in the press, academia and Government, they would go and find out what people actually thought.
“Anti-vaxxers want to kill your babies,” screamed the ‘Fleet Street Fox’ in a September 2021 opinion piece for the Mirror. “These people are terrorists” she added, as if baby killing alone was insufficient to evoke searing hatred against a minority of people whose real crime was merely opting out of a medical treatment – a right codified after the Nuremberg trials to prevent a repeat of the crimes committed by Nazi doctors in World War II German concentration camps.
Such headlines arguably constitute the crime of incitement to violence. After all, if there was a gang of baby killers on the loose, many might justifiably regard it as their civic duty to halt them at all costs. And history teaches us that vigilantism can be highly imaginative and resourceful once the fire has been lit.
Giving an academic veneer to the kind of wild-eyed claims made by the Fleet Street Fox, a January 2021 study by Miguel et al concluded that people who eschewed compliance with Covid containment measures were more likely to display “lower levels of empathy and higher levels of callousness, deceitfulness, and risk-taking”.
Is there any truth in this? Prompted by a desire to foster genuine understanding between different sides of the Covid camp, a new study led by Dr. Raminder Mulla digs into this question. “Looking Into Their Eyes“, a riposte to the slogan deployed in the Government Covid safety campaign, asks dissidents of lockdown, mask, and vaccine mandate narratives to express their motivations, feelings, and thoughts in their own words.
The Fleet Street Fox will be disappointed with the study’s findings. Unsurprisingly, the authors discovered that this vilified group are anything but baby killers or terrorists. Crucially, they did not evince the stereotypical tropes about ‘anti-vaxxers’ that have been propagated in the mainstream and social media.
Simply put, the participants believe that lockdowns were a state overreach. They oppose lockdowns because of the burden placed on the entire population irrespective of risk, the collateral damage caused, and the imposition on civil liberties and individual freedom. As one participant put it:
What have you got if you haven’t got freedom? What is there? There’s nothing! You’ve got nothing if you’re not free to work, to go out when you want to, to travel. What is there? There is nothing. What is the point of anything without freedom?
Given that freedom was the West’s rallying cry against the tyranny of Communism throughout the entire Cold War, it’s hard for those who opposed the Government’s Covid containment policies to understand how a disease whose risk dependencies were heavily skewed against the frail and elderly could warrant the ongoing house arrest of virtually the entire Western world, with very few exceptions.
Addressing the label of ‘anti-vax’ directly, the study finds that most of its participants were not opposed to vaccination in principle but did express doubts about the rapid development and deployment of the current Covid vaccines and their side effects. None of the study participants subscribed to unusual theories, referencing 5G or nanobots, with which this group is often stereotyped.
Delving into the participants’ values, the study finds that most emphasised personal responsibility and autonomy in health and other affairs and the importance of the maxim to ‘do unto others as you would have them do unto you.’
There was unanimity in the view that death is not something to be avoided at all costs. Instead, there was a clear prioritisation of quality of life over length of life. Participants were of the view that Covid containment policies had not only directly harmed life prospects on so many fronts but that the assault on quality of life was also unjustifiable.
Many participants were not personally inconvenienced in practical ways by the lockdown measures, but some gave accounts of being ostracised from activities owing to their choices on masking and vaccination. A major challenge for most was managing relationships with friends and family who had different views of the situation. This was done through a mixture of arguments and often simply avoiding the subject. Participants expressed frustration at the futility of trying to shift others’ viewpoints through rational discourse.
As a result of their experience over the past two years, participants reported significantly increased levels of mistrust in the state, medical profession, and vaccination as a medical practice. Running parallel to this was an overriding mistrust of their fellow citizens borne out of a sense of disbelief at the ease with which most people had acquiesced to a state of affairs participants regarded as highly abnormal – namely, uncritical compliance with the Covid state.
Despite the disappointment some interviewees expressed with those who unquestioningly complied with the Covid narrative, they did not wish them harm or inconvenience. In contrast, other studies have shown that this attitude of non-malevolence is not reciprocated by the compliant towards the non-compliant, whom the compliant view as deserving of unemployment, impoverishment and censorship.
We found no evidence to paint Covid narrative dissidents as anti-social misfits lacking in empathy. Instead, what we found was a group of people who had consulted reliable independent media sources and come to their own conclusions independently of the Government and mainstream media narrative. This used to be the bedrock of our democracies. This group had formulated very different, but not unreasonable, views from the majority as to how Covid should have been managed. We do not shy away from the anger these people feel. But ultimately, the most pressing concern of our participants was whether the obsession with extending life had destroyed the experience of being alive:
I’m not scared of dying, I’m scared of not living. That is my thing. It’s what being human is. You can’t have life without death. It wouldn’t have any meaning would it, to be alive if there wasn’t the counter of death. I don’t particularly fear death to the point that it would dictate me hiding myself away from Covid.
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All the above, but the main reason I initially refused was not because it would empower others such as the young, who had absolutely no reason to be locked up to resist and stand up for their rights …rights so callously attacked by the appalling lockup lovers.
Lockstep lovers!
My reasoning for ignoring the government diktats changed as time went on. Initially I was of the opinion that nothing could be dangerous enough to stop working and stop schooling so no matter how dangerous it was it would be better to take the risk. I take risks all the time (heli-skiing for one!) and can balance the risk/reward myself. Then I thought, if it was really dangerous why do we need governments to tell us? I’m pretty sure during the Black Death people didn’t need NHS adverts to constantly remind them not to hug strangers with boils on their faces. Then, around 2 months into the nonsense it was just like, ‘hang on a moment, these petty bureaucrats are loving this’ something definitely doesn’t look right. If it smells like bollocks, and looks like bollocks, it’s definitely bollocks.
Not to mention ‘safe and effective’ vaccines that nevertheless required blanket indemnity for the pharmas that made them.
And still not single pay out of the paltry sum offered by the government, to the many severely vaccine injured.
Enter stage left, Reiner Fuellmich. That’s precisely what he’s building the foundation for.
I’ve a growing feeling that Reiner Fuellmich is all fur coat & no knickers (as a Lancastrian ex-colleague used, memorably, to say). Has he delivered on any of his threats/promises?
“Reiner Fuellmich is attempting the same thing he accuses the world of, massive deception. His Covid misinformation and con are intentional.
If you can seriously entertain either the man or the sham he presents as actual fact, then you can consider your indoctrination into the ethereal world of conspiracies complete. You haven’t been flummoxed, you’ve been Fuellmiched.”
https://medika.life/reiner-fuellmich-fact-checked-and-exposed-as-a-covid-conspiracy-con/
So who are you really working for then?
“Fact checked”? By Zuckerberg?
So, EF, Peter McCullough, Ryan Cole, authors of the Great Barrington Declaration etc,etc, they all lying fantasist conspiracy theorists too are they???
Add Dr Tess Lawrie and Dr Zalenko to the list. Yes 99.99% of people who visit and post on this site are not backwards in coming forwards in their opposition to the Official Narrative and are outwardly supportive of anybody who steps up to the plate in challenging the Covid bollocks and all of the usual suspects/powers that be who are the architects and enablers of the entire shitshow.
So when somebody actively calls in to question the credibility of these above mentioned experts in their various fields it does rather make you wonder what side of the fence they’re on. I think certain individuals are just plain cynical by nature but they blur the line with scepticism, therefore lacking the self-awareness to be able to admit that to themselves and others. The way in which they perceive themselves is nothing like how they are perceived by others.
There is no incentive for any of the experts who have spoken out to do so; they have found themselves ostracised, smeared, traduced etc for their opinions. It’s easy for people (cowards) to call them ‘grifters’ or ‘conspiracy theorists’ or other stupid terms but to me they look like people with integrity and honesty. And they’re all saying broadly the same thing; the whole thing was a a fraud.
That was my point precisely CG – those people of incredible credibility and integrity like McCullough and Cole, who could easily have kept very quiet and under the radar, but instead opted to go very public, in a very public spirited way, in McCullough’s case giving evidence to a Senate Committee and risking the complete trashing of his professional reputation – those people are saying the same things as Fuellmich, so if he is a fraudulent conspiracy theorist then they must be also. I just wanted to make that point to EF(and to anyone else who might be a newbie on here who might think after reading that post that there has been no fraud and The Science is totally true).
I wonder if you understand why Governments smear and destroy real experts in their field. I wonder if you truly understand why many people are cynical of Governments who have no real experts to advise them. Have you looked into the background of Susan Michie or Patrick Valance.
Never mind their backgrounds, what about their share portfolios?
I think either you might have misunderstood Mogwai’s post, or you intended to direct your post to EF, but inadvertently replied to Mogwai by mistake.
I’m sceptical enough to be happy for anyone’s view to be ‘called out’, but that ‘calling out’ should include some meat, not just name-calling. Let’s have some facts for Facebook to ‘fact-check’.
Milo, just ignore EF. He is a troll allegedly living in Finland who likes to advise the decent people on here how to sort out our MP’s by going round to their houses for “a word.”
There is no indication he follows his own advice in Finland but apparently he has now moved on. In view of his imminent conscription to the Finnish armed forces he is in training – with his bow and arrow. Argos brand.
Since they’re all opposed to Big Brother, they must be.
I’ve just read that article. Talk about hidden agendas. And he makes a case for the PCR test being accurate when even Kary Mullis, who invented it, said it can’t be used as a diagnostic tool. He then links to a hatchet job of Mike Yeadon, conveniently unavailable to read in Europe. And he omits to mention that there is an army of highly qualified practitioners who endorse and/or agree with Fuellmich. The article is stupid enough to point out that Fuellmich is not a virologist. Quite he’s a lawyer drawing on said army’s expert opinions.
Well I think it seems abundantly clear now that EF really rather rates the website he linked and indeed, the very same author which wrote this piece of hate-filled, character assassination drivel, that he shared the other week ( see below ), in which the author referred to Fuellmich as “a waste of flesh”. Very professional. It seems he has a very large ax to grind indeed. So when people accuse EF of being “77th Brigade” or a troll I can fully see where they’re coming from. I just think he’s plain disingenuous and a cynic. https://medika.life/we-call-out-reiner-fuellmich-as-a-fraud-the-covid-conspirator-investigated/
In the North of England characters like EF are dismissed thus:
“he’s a slate short.”
My take on it too Bella. I though the article had little to recommend it. At the end of the day, Fuellmich is hamstrung by virtue of the fact that the courts have been nobbled – I mean a Canadian court has the right to strike out any case it deems to be frivolous – what else do you expect a Canadian court (under orders from Trudeau) to do but to strike a case like that out as being frivolous.
Great. A fact check.
Reiner Fuellmich contends nothing. He invites experts to provide their opinions.
Says a marketing agency? Yeah, right.
The problem with a real truckload of bullshit is that it’s easily produced and – given sufficient expertise in this – can be made to sound flashy in the right way to appeal to the intended audience. In contrast to this, refutations tend to be long-winded and boring. Because of this (and because of limited time), I’ll address an isolated paragraph of this:
The first and most obvious flaw in his statement above is this. You can spread the virus till the cows come home simply by having it in your nostrils. You don’t, Mr. Fuellmich, require active replication in your cells to be a vector for spreading a virus.
This is supposed to address the claim that PCR tests can’t distinguish between life viruses capable of replicating and virus fragements. The first thing to note here is that the second sentence is just plain wrong: Assuming a virus is confined to my nostrils, it most certainly doesn’t spread anywhere. This is obviously not what the author meant to express and sympathetic readers will like overlook this, but that’s what he did express.
The second statement is little better: That’s based on the Typhoid Mary story misused for COVID. This lady was immune to the agent causing the symptoms of Typhus, hence, typhus bacteria could replicate in here body without her getting ill, although her close contacts usually would. The idea is that people can have magically inert Sars-CoV2 viruses in their nostrils they can then spread to others where they – magically – start to replicate. But that’s impossible: While replication in one’s cells isn’t technically required for shedding Sars-CoV2 viruses, the latter won’t happen without the former. Active viruses (as opposed to virus fragments) will always replicate in the host. Also, without replication, an infective viral load cannot be reached. Lastly, there’s no such thing as harmless viral replication. Viruses hijack host cells they reprogram to create more viruses. This ultimatively causes cell death, ie, physical damage to the host body. That’s different for bacteria who are cells themselves (or composed of cells) and thus, capable of reproducing on their own.
????. Fuellmich exposed the lies of diesel cars. He took the German Government to court over their false claims and he won. It took very many years. He also worked on the case against Monsanto and changed the laws re spraying crops with dangerous chemicals. Again this took many years; nearly 20 yrs in the case of Monsanto.
Indeed. And what he is currently attempting to do, even if he achieves no legal success in a court, is make the ongoing fraud a matter of public record and hope to educate and inform people that they have been lied to and defrauded in the hope that they can then make better educated and informed decisions when it comes to their healthcare. And in so doing he puts his head above the parapet big time and risks his reputation. One of those working along side him was arrested in France.
How does that make him a CT???
He is just one man with a team painstaking working hours in providing the irrefutable evidence – it is for others to deliver -or at least take the trouble educate themselves.
Most sheep are still naively sucking up the narrative and will not even read the clamouring evidence – what more can he do?
People keep looking for ‘saviours’, when they should be informing and saving themselves.
Reiner Fuellmich does nothing but amass evidence so that governments, pharma companies and anyone else involved in the covid scam can be sued for they damage they have done.
He’s a central repository of information. If you pay attention to one of his other successes, suing VW for their emissions scam, you’ll realise that Fuellmich doesn’t do anything in any country outside Germany.
The lawyers now preparing cases against VW in the UK are British lawyers representing thousands of people.
Unfortunately the whole process takes years.
Rome wasn’t built in a day. It’s not easy trying to take legal action against the architects of a global fraud with unlimited access to funds and bought and paid for politicians and judiciary in every jurisdiction.
Exactly CG – it is as you say, a classic David v Goliath situation, and then add in the fact that you might be trying to bring a case in a court which has been completely bought.
Fuellmich isn’t the only one trying and not getting as far as we would like – there are also the legal teams trying to get the ICC to take their case and I don’t think they are getting very far either.
I think from memory Robert Martin is also tying some kind of prosecution in the US, and we know that private prosecutions haven been attempted in the UK too. And then there is Edward Dowd’s work to try to lift the veil of Pfizer’s jab data and its ‘trials’.
Those who took the ‘Covid vaccines’ were well aware they’d be no compensation, so it’s a bit late to moan about it now.
I suspect there are more people killed in road vehicle accidents in the UK every day than those “killed by the vaccines” yet I don’t see anyone going round wanting to ban cars.
Every time someone dies ‘in mysterious circumstances’ blaming it on the ‘vaccines’ could be just as wrong as blaming all deaths from ‘flu as “from/of/with Covid”.
Exaggeration is par for the course for anyone wanting to ‘add evidence’ to their theory/agenda.
You are like your momika sly.
Personally I wish you would just foxtrot oscar
“I don’t see anyone trying to ban cars” What? have you heard of an idiot called Boris Johnson?
Spot on!
In his long list of targets, cash was sneaked into the list.
Try telling that to those who were forced to take the jabs or lose their job! Those who chose not to and were subsequently sacked, and those who had no choice but to leave, for standing up for their right to not be state medicated! How many have had their jobs reinstated?How many are now unable to work because of harms caused by the jabs? NO ONE was given the proper information so they could provide “informed” consent! They weren’t even made aware of Yellow Card Reporting Scheme! No, they were bullied, coerced and threatened, by government, employers, friends and family to “do the right thing” and “play their part”! After all wasn’t it beaten in constantly by the NHS, government and MSM that the vaccines were “safe and effective”??? And, by the way, yes they ARE trying to ban cars!
Factually wrong as usual, clown.
Pharmaceutical companies are relieved of the right to compensation by governments who shoulder that cost themselves, on behalf of Taxpayers.
Muppet.
I very much doubt that most of those lining up for vax shots knew that the pharmas had blanket indemnity.
Even now, those that I talk to about this seem to think it untrue.
There was a huge risk to the Pharmaceutical companies that they would not be able to make a profit out of their mRNA research….
To be fair, if there’s no incentive to at worst, cover the enormous cost’s of research, there would be no vaccinations at all.
What’s the alternative? Set up an internationally, government funded research organisation to develop new vaccines?
Then we run the risk of creating another monster like the WHO.
Perhaps people now understand why Donald Trump wanted to get America out of the WHO and was so critical of NATO.
“What’s the alternative? Set up an internationally, government funded research organisation to develop new vaccines?”
Billy is setting up GERM. With our money.
I agree entirely. There’s no easy answer to this.
Estimates of the cost of bringing a new drug to market vary enormously and can be as low as $314 million (£251.00 million) with a mean of $985 million (£786 million)
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/2762311
which is chickenfeed to companies like Pfizer.
And if there were no vaccines at all would it really matter? How effective are most of them?
$314m still needs to be recovered. What’s not allowed for in that figure is the number of failures these companies have. Lot’s of them.
I’m not defending the pharma companies for a moment, what I’m saying is, someone has to come up with a credible alternative. The globalists would push for a WHO type organisation and that’s the last thing we need.
Can governments co-operate between each other? With all of them seeking to gain a bio weapons advantage, that would seem to be virtually impossible. The alternative is we have each government conducting their own research before employing a Pfizer or Moderna to manufacture.
But then we know what a monumental clusterfuck our government makes of anything.
$2.3 Billion fines are just running costs to Pfizer. And as Peter C. Gøtzsche points out in ‘Deadly Medicines and Organised Crime: How Big Pharma Has Corrupted Healthcare’, 95% of the drugs brought to market do no good at all, but 100% have side effects, and are the third leading cause of mortality in the west.
That’s, Pfizer shareholders. They had an unenviable choice, bail the company out or lose everything. That included pension businesses.
You mean the anaesthetic drugs and the industrial volumes of antibiotics I was given last year didn’t work? Nor the analgesia or anti coagulants etc?
A high percentage of the ailments they seek to provide “cures” for could be solved by lifestyle changes but there’s no money in that so no research and actual covering up of promising outcomes. Cancer Research is the richest charity in the world how many cancers has it come up with a cure for and how much of its money does it put towards promoting lifestyle changes which it is estimated could prevent up to 80% of cancers. What was one of the highest risk factors for a poor outcome from Covid?
Cancer Research UK is (effectively) owned by pharmaceutical companies. As Phillip Day has noted, no one need have cancer, and there have been cancer free peoples. However, it is too much hassle and too little profit to inform people how to avoid or get rid of cancer through life-style changes or nutritional therapy. Too much profit for the pharmaceutical industry in their research, hence the disgraceful smear campaign against laetrile/vitamin B17, a forerunner of today’s “vaccine” propaganda.
Exactly.
But they weren’t interested in researching a vaccine until governments and the EU put up the money for the research, pharma will still take the profit though.
Exactly right – all the big supermarkets were open, post was being delivered daily and the bins collected every day without fail – I could even order-in a take-away if I wanted one … hardly what one woud expect during a deadly pandemic. I was out almost every day of this so-called ‘pandemic‘ and I was yet to see anyone collapse in the street with a fever or faint in a supermarket overcome by the deadly symptoms of the covid virus – in fact I recall during the lockdown cycling passed a parked-up ambulance outside a local chippy and inside the two paramedics were sitting there unmasked eating their fish and chips – i would have thought paramedics would have been run off their feet during the height of a ‘deadly pandemic‘. To date I have yet to hear or know of anyone who actually died of covid – I know of two people who died with covid but not because of covid – they passed away because they were very elderly and frail – they had had very serious underlying health issues for many years – they were admitted to hospital because of their other health issues not covid – both tested negative before being admitted to hospital but later tested positive after only a few days in the hospital – they caught covid while in hospital but neither displayed any symptoms – sadly it was their other serious health issues that had plagued them for many years that finally claimed both their lives not covid.
Don’t forget about garden centres being open throughout Dec 20/Jan 21 despite the ‘Kent variant’ doing the rounds… in case you fancied buying a garden gnome.
Over here we have a confectionery shop chain called Jamin. They specialise in extortionately priced sweets, crisps and other junk from the U.S. They were open throughout all lockdowns because they came under the “essential shop” rule. Apparently if it’s processed crap you can’t get in the Dutch supermarkets that is somehow considered “essential”.
Bike shops were open for repairs only, stationary shops were open for the Post Office counter only, jewellery shops were open for repairs only, cobblers were open for repairs only…you get the picture. I found it hilarious that all their other stuff was sectioned off-limits, so if I wanted to repair my bike I could but I couldn’t buy a new bike light while I was in there. I could get my shoes soled but couldn’t purchase any shoe polish. This is the level of “stupid” the Dutch government were at during every pigging lockdown.
Didn’t exactly scream “Attention! Deadly pandemic is here. Enter at your own risk!”
Not being able to purchase anything new to own would eventually lead to you owning nothing…
We’re the Dutch happy with that idea?
The Dutch believed the liars in charge actually knew what they were doing and had our best interests at heart.
What Mogwai says above is correct, except that in the first lockdown – March 2020 – when many could claim not to know exactly what was going on, the shops didn’t shut at all and nothing was screened off. They saved that nonsense for December 2020 through to March 2021. No one questioned why it was necessary then, when it had not been necessary the first time around. (Hint: there was no vaxx to push into the arms of leery, wary people – make their lives a misery, promise everything goes back to normal if they take the magic juice and presto – a more stringent lockdown).
As for a sweet shop being open – makes as much sense as the liquor shops remaining open
(oops – some larger retail chains, Ikea, C&A, did shut, but that was choice, they were not ordered to, that happened in winter 2020/2021)
Such a free and liberal country once. The Harry Enfield scene with cops smoking pot in the cop car comes to mind.
Went on a Hockey tour to Holland once, then taken there for my stag weekend by my best man.
Brilliant place. The Dutch are generally just pleasant easy going people in my experience.
I caught flu on the flight over on my stag weekend and spent two days confined to quarters. Bit of a letdown really.
Indeed. My brother-in-law died in hospital due to a host of ailments and we were constantly informed by the duty nurses that he had NOT tested positive for Covid. Yet his death certificate miraculously included Covid and therefore adding to the ‘figures’. Similar circumstances also happened with both an elderly aunt and uncle.
The only people I know who suffered complications from covid which could be considered to be severe were morbidly obese with underlying health conditions.
I know of no one who died from covid. Although I do know of several cases where the patients died from something else, but the medics gave it their very best shot to try to get covid put on the death certificate.
I know one man who died a premature death from the covid jab.
Remarkable. I know about 10who died from covid, including 2 under 50.
Sorry ‘Fingal’. Don’t believe you.
Neither do I.
I don’t even know anybody who missed a day off work because of it.
Well, before they were jabbed.
That’s not possible, unless you don’t get out much.
Nevertheless, it happened. 2 of them were relatives.
If you say so.
From????
I know of no one in my wider circle who died of or with covid. I know around 5 people who died because of covid measures and the impact these had on health and social care.
Sadly I knew 2 middle aged fit men who were multi inoculated and dropped dead of maybe mycarditis.
I do not know of one person who definitely died of the WU Flu.
I know of three people who contracted Bells Palsy after the first jab and a 35 year old female marathon runner who had several strokes.
I was hospitalised for the best part of 6 months in 2020/21. Didn’t catch it. Never saw any evidence of it.
I’ve had three colds over the past 2+ years. How is it possible I didn’t catch covid being that its so transmissible?
Congratulations, you might be immune.
Various estimates seem to suggest that 30-50% of us might be.
He’s certainly immune to bullshit.
I was presumably in a ward, on an entire floor of patients who were immune.
Yes, I agree, at the very beginning I was a little sceptical, and that just grew…mainly because I was constantly being asked to believe something the tv was telling me, but what my own eyes and experience wasn’t…where were all these infected people, all these thousands dropping down dead? To this date I know no one who actually died, I know people who know people…but everyone who I knew in 2019 are still alive and kicking!!
I watched the Gov’s Daily Propaganda Broadcast for just over a week – whilst doing my own research online – and then told my son the propaganda broadcasts were “a load of b0ll0cks” And that was the end of it for me. It was obvious they were lying through their teeth.
Actual conversation in the pub
A ‘I’ve had three jabs I’m not having the fourth’
B pointing to C ‘Well he hasn’t had any’
A ‘You haven’t had any? Why not?’
C ‘Why would I?
Stunned silence
Yep, jabbed people still don’t get it.
They all know now that the poke provides only temporary protection at best (if it provides any at all).
If I say I’ve not been vaxxed they still stare at me strangely. Fewer people in the lower age groups got the booster, but even among them, if I say that we are now in the same position (i.e. “unprotected”), it still does not sink in.
No, I don’t tell them I’m actually probably in a better position due to such things as OAS or possible longer-term immune suppression, people will not hear what they do not want to hear.
Yes I do think one of the beneficial strategies is to shove our ‘unvaxxedness’ and the fact that we’re all still here, alive and kicking, in their faces. It’s, after all, proof positive that they didn’t actually need those jabs and they certainly do not need any further ones given that it clearly has zero advantage to them if the likes of the unjabbed aren’t dropping like flies all around them. If these people are predominantly surrounded by other jabees then that will just reinforce their behaviour and thinking so we need to stand up and be the inconvenient truth which contradicts their vax zealousness, the “What about me? I’m not dead!” people.
You’ll only perpetuate resentment by rubbing their noses in it. I think the best policy is to keep quiet. You’ll never change the minds of the faithful. If it happens again they have to go through the same decision making process again and, I suspect, many will have quietly come to their senses and there will be an element of shame about how they were suckered the first time.
“there will be an element of shame about how they were suckered the first time.”
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But Reimer Fuellmich is a nutter conspiracy theorist according to you.
FFS…….
And?
I actually think the opposite – that the people who queued up the first time have convinced themselves that it was the right thing to do and would similarly queue up again if they have to go through the same decision making process again.
In many cases I didn’t see any element of a “decision making process” – it was simply a case of “have to go for my jab”
A friend of mine thought it was compulsory!!!
I kid you not
A lot of people I know felt compelled to do it – even tho it wasn’t ‘compulsory’ and they were not being compelled by any outside agency per se – but the MSM pushing of it “to do your bit” blah blah blah did impair people’s decision making ability, and I am sure they think that I haven’t “done my bit”
I may have posted this elsewhere on this thread, but I think it’s the 80/20 rule.
Those who chose not to have the vaccination were amongst the 20%.
If it happens again, of the remaining 80% probably 20% will refuse it next time around…..and so on.
I don’t tell anyone I’m unjabbed unless they ask. My village knows, unfortunately, because the shopkeeper, who knew I’d recently had omicrom told me, loud enough for other customers to hear, that if I’d had the vax I wouldn’t have got it. I told him that was absolutely untrue, that almost everyone will get omicrom regardless, the multi-vaxxed also, but he wouldn’t have it. So I said to him “You’ll find out, it’s all beginning to unravel now, the truth’s coming out”.
He replied “you need to spend less time on the internet”, to which I answered, “you need to stop listening to the mainstream”.
What can you do, when normally educated and intelligent people behave like sheep and do no research on their own account and castigate you for doing so?
We will be in an ever stronger position when we are still unjabbed and not dead and the jabbed start to drop like flies – if that should happen.
Why are they dropping like flies and the unjabbed are not?? how are TPTB going to spin that one?
I think of it more like, we’ll be left picking up the pieces.
You don’t tell them you are unjabbed??? Why ever not?
To date i have been in contact with three people who have had a ‘rona infection.
One of them – my lodger I told her to remove the mask she was wearing in the house. she was worried I would catch ‘it’.
Two others who came to my house to inform me they had the ‘rona’, one of whom I gave a big hug to as she was travelling the following day and I wouldn’t see her for 6 months.
They were al triple jabbed, I said don’t worry I haven’t had the jab so I will be ok.
I take great delight in rubbing their noses in it.
Good for C!!!
Conversation overheard in supermarket: Customer to till operator: Have you been well? Reply: No I’ve had Covid and I’ve had four vaccines and always wear a mask. How I managed not to comment is a wonder.
What? Anti-vaxxers want to kill babies? I thought we wanted to kill grannies?
I guess the propaganda
guyspersons at pfisser want to make sure the world realises anti-vaxxers want to kill simply everyone, from young to old. Anything to deflect attention from the fact that most of us simply do not want to risk serious injury or death just to ensure that pfisser’s profits live.The vendetta against people who were rightly cautious about this so-called vaccine, who were against the known uselessness of lockdowns and face masks and refused to agree that no cost-benefit analysis was necessary was undoubtedly engineered by the likes of Fauci et al., who were working overtime to cover up their involvement in the likely lab origins of this virus and then realised that not only could they cover up their involvement, through regulatory capture they could make serious amounts of money by pushing the poison. All it required was some good marketing – and let’s face it, a company that has a criminal record as long as your arm but still manages to get hundreds of millions of people to take its drugs will have the best marketing its dirty money can buy.
Well, since Hancock had already killed the grannies, babies would be the obvious go-to scare story.
Actually, Covid is believed to impact various ‘minority groups’ excessively.
So a case could be made out for claiming that people who were not vaccinated were racist….
“And history teaches us that vigilantism can be highly imaginative and resourceful once the fire has been lit.”
I like this sentence.
Thanks
A good way to fight back, use the exact same tactics against them. Johnson was in the NE yesterday, where the councils closed cemeteries, said to stop people seeing the refrigerated lorries and mass graves, so where are the mass graves, no one has to explain their actions…
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it”.
Upton Sinclair
AND “I’ve always felt the nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government, and I’m here to help.'” Ronald Reagan
Describes my positions perfectly. As with most of my fellow sceptics, I was just a reasonable person who didn’t become hysterical and watched in astonishment as everyone around me did.
My trust in the medical profession is gone forever, as is my trust in my fellow citizens. Until there is a serious acknowledgement of what happened and genuine contrition, I don’t think that trust is ever coming back.
My trust in them was weak already. I’d read some of Malcolm Kendrick’s and Aseem Malhotra’s books plus books on how to maintain your own health going back 40 years or more. 2020-22 has just made me even more sceptical of all medical interventions.
Kendrick is an amazingly pragmatic man. I’m only surprised he hasn’t lost his job over the subject. But then they know he’s a rebellious GP and probably accept his inevitable inquiry into the situation. Bizarrely he is jabbed.
He probably thought he’d be unable to continue his job without it. Never mind, it might have been a placebo, if one takes seriously the hypothesis that many were, i.e. to lull people into a false sense of security.
His reasoning was he was in and out of Nursing homes and had to take every precaution necessary to protect himself and others. I get that.
Trust is like virginity. Once it’s gone, it’s gone forever
I see that in USA, their Supreme Court is poised to nullify Roe vs Wade, the case that provides for the right to abort pregnancy.
It is causing quite a stir – strident women’s groups, and MSM demanding ‘bodily autonomy’.
Almost certainly, these are the very same people who demanded mandatory jabbing i.e. refusing ‘bodily autonomy’ to other individuals.
Even the BMJ…….https://www.bmj.com/content/377/bmj.o1019
Note they use the phrase, ‘Overturning Roe v Wade would be an unprecedented attack on the bodily autonomy of women, girls, and pregnant people’……
One of the things we discovered over the last two years is that none of these people had any principles worth speaking of. It was just a pose to obtain money, power and status. Where were the human rights lawyers for example, when the unvaccinated were openly persecuted?
These people should never be listened to again. They are all frauds.
From what I can gather, they’re not overturning it, they’re giving Governors the authority to ban late term abortion in their own state.
Frankly, if that’s the case it seems a bit daft as it only causes yet more social division, only this time by geography.
“more social division” is the purpose.
If you consider that the overturning of Roe v Wade may play a big part in the US mid-term elections in November, indeed.
At this point the Democrats are looking at annihilation, but Democrats promising to ensure either federal or state laws ensuring abortion rights could bring back voters. Horrible thought, the Dem stranglehold on Congress needs to be removed, they are destroying the country.
I suspect the people demanding late term abortions were already Democrat voters. I don’t see any reason why the annihilation of the Dems won’t continue. Assuming they don’t concoct yet another fake event to have people vote for them.
Americans in general are not happy about Afghanistan, and now ploughing billions into Ukraine when they don’t consider it anything to do with America.
Then there’s immigration. Even staunchly blue southern states are now turning red.
Trump is notable by his absence on the public stage (with one or two exceptions) as the Dems don’t need him to help by providing extra rope.
Only 6 months to go. The Dems had better be quick with a new ploy.
“Create chaos” destroy communities then steal the confused people’s lives and all their money!
This seems to be the Standing Order of the day for the rapacious Global Elites .
Indeed.
This gives some very credible insight as to what’s going on that we are all being distracted from.
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/reiner-fuellmich-and-harley-schlanger-on-why-putin-went-to-war-over-ukraine_UToRxpAGAzYWLeY.html
No – they are overturning it. Specifically because Roe vs Wade hinged on a decision around the right to an abortion being enshrined in the constitution. This was always a reach and it’s not surprising it is being overturned; whether you agree with or not, the Roe vs Wade decision was always obviously wrong in law.
What it means is that individual states, not the federal government, will have the final say on abortion law. In some states that will mean no abortion on demand, in others it may even mean the proposal to allow effective infanticide by termination in the late stages of the third trimester gets through.
Thanks for the info. I haven’t followed it and my comment was based on a clip I heard on the radio. The bit I think I picked up, you made in your second para. about individual states.
I did know about the constitutional issue and have puzzled for years why no one has challenged it.
“pregnant people……”
and who might they be I wonder?
Gratuitously insulting to women.
Can we have a parade of these “pregnant people” who are not either women or girls – it appears that the human race is fast descending into absurdist mass psychosis and minority group think hysteria, whipped up and orchestrated and manipulated by Mass Media!
I feel I’ve come out of this period stronger, clearer about who I am and what I believe in, clearer about who my friends are and what they’re made of, braver, more combative and willing to stand my ground, more keenly aware of government and corporate crime, more outspoken, better read, and with a renewed sense of right and wrong.
In other words, if the intention was to create a society of compliant, unthinking lab rats, they’ve produced at least one and probably millions more problems for themselves.
Agree with you 100%; this has been a profound learning experience for me too, but I’m not sure how to negotiate the rest of my life with my new attitudes, especially if it happens again.
Least said, soonest mended.
That is where I am as well, wondering how best to live in two worlds at the same time. (Hmm I wonder how many more worlds there are that we can’t see?)
One thing I will be, is grateful for having had my eyes opened even though it has been an extremely unpleasant experience. At least I know what we are up against!
I am also grateful to all the commentators who have posted on here throughout the pandemic (including you Emerald Fox lol) I have learned so much as a result and knowing that other people thought along the same lines has stopped me from going completely mad (I think). Thanks everyone!
And me – I read something similar the other day about if they get away with GR, about needing to find a way to live in the New world without being a part of it. I get what they meant, but I’m just not sure how to go about it. I increasingly feel less and less part of the current world, never mind the NWO as it is.
I started reading The Corbett Report last night, which somebody kindly posted, on the origins of WW1. Crikey has it opened my eyes.
Now I find myself wondering about ALL history. For example, Pearl Harbour, which also seems to be debatable, well at least the story given as the historical record.
So, have we got a correct history of the Miners strike and Scargill? Suez? And The Falklands War is mired in contradictory stories.
None of this questioning helps, it only confuses further.
I can however state with certainty that MSM propoganda and official / government pronouncements are now treated in the first instance as utter BS.
I am struggling to navigate my way around the current BS without confusing myself further by travelling back in time to investigate what, based on what we now know, could only have been BS back then too – except the people living through it at the time didn’t have the net and were at the mercies of the MSM!!!
I wasn’t even against the clotshot, I just wanted to wait and see what happened before getting it. mRNA technology had never been use in a mass human environment and it was untested for long term adverse reactions. I think that’s an entirely responsible position to adopt.
When it didn’t work and the first booster was called for I figured I had made the right decision.
I was just shocked at people lining up to be jabbed with no thought for the possible long term effects, especially with the second jab. That just blew my mind.
Tragically, we’ll be left to pick up the pieces if, down the line, things turn out badly. Hopefully they won’t.
I felt it in the pit of my stomach before they even pretended to invent them. I knew in spring 2020 the propaganda would lead to mass ‘vaccination’ as a final solution, having terrified everyone with extreme measures such as ‘lockdown’. I made a video about it when the first lockdown happened in which I predicted that they would pretend to discover a vaccine in short order and then force everyone to take it in order to remain a valid of society. The following several months involved a terrible sense of dread and inevitability, like some demented horror film I’d already written!
Great summary, that matches my experience. All we need to effect change is for 5% of the population to see it too.
More like another 25%!
It is estimated that change can be brought about by 5% of the population. Here it is from the masters of warping political direction, where they claim 3.5% (probably not worth reading in full):
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190513-it-only-takes-35-of-people-to-change-the-world
Didn’t work for the anti Iraq war protesters and there was probably way more than 3.5% involved in those.
“… they’ve produced at least one and probably millions more problems for themselves”
That all rather depends on all those who say they agree with you standing by, shoulder to shoulder, when the time comes. History is littered with the bodies of those who stood against tyranny, safe in the knowledge that they had the support of others, who mysteriously disappeared when the chips were down.
Yup their freedom is the result of the blood of their fellow citizens.
Same here.
I agree crisisgarden and I feel proud I stuck to my guns, however I don’t know how to get over the disappointment I now feel in a lot of people I know who I had previously considered intelligent individuals.
Know the feeling.
Dear crisisgarden,
After a long and exhausting May 3 (I’m now in the Australian morning of May 4), I can say with utter conviction – ditto.
And it doesn’t matter if we’re not the majority. There’s enough.
The size of the first Australian protest march I joined astonished me. I found out about it because of a tiny slip of paper in my letter-box: a photocopied snippet. I expected to be standing with a few dozen others. Instead, there were thousands of us, smiling because we were so glad to see each other.
Every effort has been made to tell us that we are alone and that all resistance to their absurd stories and their vicious bullying is futile: that society is what they tell us; medicine and war are what they tell us; and the future belongs to them.
It does not. These tyrants with global ambitions have produced millions of global problems: economically, politically and socially. They think they can overcome them all – because they are blinded and intellectually crippled by their contempt for other human beings.
But the greatest of their problems are millions of human beings, all over the world. We are better, stronger and greater in number than they can imagine.
An intercontinental high five back at you. It’s exciting being alive and seeing what will emerge from the many new connections formed by this global awakening
Hope you are OK AlterEgo – you sound a bit wiped out, espec if you are in the early hours of 4 May at time of writing.
That looks like an interesting report but at 50 pages long, no thanks. But what of the people who bought into the whole shebang over 2 years ago but have since had a change of heart? These are the people who I think would be interesting to analyse. The people who fully supported the narrative, dutifully masked up, followed all the mainstream advice and got their jabs too but have since been able to reflect, and with the benefit of hindsight and educating themselves, have done a total U-turn and no longer comply with any of it. This group of people and the reasons for their about turn would be good to look at and focus on. I’m confident the people who fall into this category will steadily increase as time goes by.
The people in that category that I know of have adopted the stance “it’s time to move on” and don’t want to talk about it
I think the best thing we can do is support that view. Most people are oblivious to the reasons we didn’t get jabbed and will never want to understand.
The true extent of the damage done to society will never be revealed.
or if it gets close to being revealed it’ll get covered up as quickly as the Notional Statistics Office can memory hole them.
Yup and the BBC will just ignore because that is their prime MO. Remember Tommy Robinson & Panodrama.
Yes I don’t know if it’s a pride thing but I’m not sure many are ready to admit to themselves, let alone others, that they fell for it all hook line and sinker and are possibly feeling a tad duped as a result, while others managed to keep a rational and clear thinking head on their shoulders. They’ll hopefully just continue to quietly not comply with any further restrictions or advice to get injected. You live and learn. Or at least that’s how it should be.
The 80/20 rule.
20% of us decided not to get jabbed. Next time round 20% of the remaining 80% will refuse to get jabbed, and so on.
Government statistics represent the Government ‘narrative’ . The ONS guy on Mark Steyn revealed that the Government don’t even know what the real population is – they rely on NHS figures (!).
I suggest some ‘social groups’ are significantly less jabbed than others and that the real total is way above 20%.
Look at the fall-off after the first jab and add that to the % as well!
80/20 rule is only illustrative.
I believe the NE of England are way higher than 20%. The SE, however, especially London is likely to be lower.
Significantly more than 20% of the ‘approved’ group declined all shots (19.4 million ONS) and even more declined having had 1 dose of poison. Jabbing of kids is running at 1 in 12, the tide has turned, people know its poison. The only people taking it now (except extremely vulnerable) should be entered for the Darwin Award.
What they don’t understand is that it is now exactly time to start talking about it while we still can! That is what they cannot face!
The talking has only just started. If we don’t talk about it their next trick will be upon us! We already have the dire consequences of their ‘Ukraine” ploy to deal with.
It seems clear that their intention is that we should soon not be allowed to talk about anything!
Good point Mogwai – and I hope you are right that this category broadens with time.
I rather suspect that anyone who had the 1st dose & even the 2nd dose of vaccine but declined the booster is probably drifting into the ‘sceptical’ camp. Many, many of the double dosed crowd will admit to having got the 1st 2 doses so that they could travel but weren’t altogether happy with their decision. But if you look at the 30-40 age cohort you see that 55% of them have not had a booster, which suggests a majority are vaccine hesitant.
About 70% of the 30-39’s had the 1st dose so 35% of those initially getting vaccinated have now declined the latest booster, this doesn’t bode well for the authorities promoting other vaccine campaigns in the future.
This is why Johnson wants and has signed up to Gates/WHO Mandates to “reluctantly” enforce for the “greater good”!
Thanks for posting this – I’m fed up with being accused by friends of being irresponsible for not taking the vaccine. It seems that the elderly have been particularly afflicted by this ANTI “anti-vaxxer” nonsense.
Why are they still your friends?
When the government said they were going to underwrite the “risk” on behalf of the Pharma companies I became deeply suspicious of their motives (either lot). That’s mainly why I didn’t get vaccinated.
Pretty much covered all my tick boxes especially the destruction of the last vestiges of trust I had in officialdom and 95% of the population.
Peter Daszak’s words explain things better than any dissidents :
SARS-CoV-2 appears to have been engineered in the 1990s, perfected in 1999 and patented in 2002. Evidence also shows plans for mandatory vaccinations were hatched in 2015. That year, during an Academies of Science meeting, Dr. Peter Daszak, president of EcoHealth Alliance stated:
Daszak will eventually be known as ‘the Godfather of Covid’!
His family link to the Ukraine is also an interesting ‘coincidence’.
Yes. We’re dealing with a crime syndicate, pure and simple. The existence of the Mafia or the Yakuza isn’t too much of a cognitive problem for most people but when the crime lords wear suits and pretend to be scientists or politicians, they become invisible. Aren’t most people fuckwits?
I’d put it slightly differently – there are a LOT of naive, very trusting people out there who, because they themselves are the honest law abiding sort, cannot begin to fathom that those who are in power would have anything BUT their best interests at heart, because that is how they would conduct themselves if they were in that position of power. But you are right – it does seem like a comparison can be made with a crime syndicate.
An interesting study (although 11 people is a very small sample size and some of them obviously know each other). But having read it, the headline conclusions are misleading.
This group did in fact show significant hostility to the majority of people who agreed to be vaccinated. For example, 7 out of the 11 expressed ‘contempt’ for them, which is a strong emotion.
Although the study says they weren’t ant-vax because of any specific issue, they nevertheless clearly did believe in a range of conspiracy theories.
There’s a massive difference between people who believe vaccines and lockdowns were unnecessary, and those who think there were brought in maliciously as part of some ulterior motive (whether that be control, profit, or something else) as a number of the interviewees suggested.
The issue was clearly very divisive even within families and that’s sad to read.
Is it sad, Fingal? Oh dear.
Well, if you’ve already fallen out with your friends and family, I guess it doesn’t make it any worse.
Conspiracy theories?
What conspiracy theories did they believe in?
The fact is, there are no conspiracy theories over covid.
The virus didn’t come from a wet market – we were told it did.
The ‘vaccinations’ don’t stop transmission – we were told they would.
There is no evidence lockdowns worked – we were told they would.
There is no evidence masks work – we were told they would.
The use of covid to enable The Great Reset has been articulated by Klaus Schwab.
India is mounting court proceedings against Bill gates for murder by ‘vaccination’.
Our government told us people were dying ‘from’ covid when they were in fact dying ‘with’ covid.
Neil Ferguson told us there would be 500,000 deaths in the UK – There wasn’t.
All of those were deemed conspiracy theories.
We were right whilst idiots like you thinking shouting conspiracy theory at anyone who disagreed with you, were wrong. Really, Really badly wrong.
So wrong, in fact, you shouldn’t be allowed out on your own.
India is mounting court proceedings against Bill gates for murder by ‘vaccination’.
Way to go India.
Possibly the worst villain among the press was Dominic Lawson, who is smart enough to know better.
He claimed lockdown opponents were Harold Shipman and conveniently ignored the fact that Fart Hancockwomble was Harold Shipman.
Note thast thgose who imposed the restrictions are largely the same people who want to lkegalise euthenasia on terms which will rapidly degenerate into legalised killing. I do not want to argue the points of abortion but in the UK we were assured that strict rulkes would applky but they are not followed. Why would we have confidence in euthenasia rules and why should we trust the people who want to introduce them when they just killed many and took away freedom from us all because of a bad cold.
Two things stopped me believing.. The data from the Diamond Princess and the fact that this ‘deadly’ disease was removed from the HCID list before the first lockdown.
Something the MSM never mentions
All of the above. It’s heartening to realise there are so many people out there who have the same sentiments as I have had, and still have. From the day I saw the utterly ludicrous images and footage of “collapsed” people lying on the streets of China in the most unrealistic and unlikely of positions, I’ve been sceptical and cynical. The rapidity with which Covid 19 garnered widespread fear and compliance took me completely by surprise.
Over the last two years, as my views rapidly crystallised regarding the initial and unnecessary lockdown and arbitrary and incongruous Covid diktats and messaging, masking mandates, and vaccine shaming, I became acutely aware I was out of step with the vast majority of my friends, colleagues and family, in addition to a lobotomised mass news media. Not just in a “wearing jeans to a black tie do” out of step. But in a kind of “shall we invite Adolf and Herod round for dinner, darling?” out of step. But most people picked sides very early on. I’d like to think I picked the good side. I’ve been called an anti-vaxxer. But people switch off when I tell them my reasons for not having the Covid vaccine. I’ll let my immune system do it’s work; at 50 I’m too young and healthy to have any significant chance of dying from Covid, I have a chronic but stable heart condition; and the vaccine was developed far too quickly for me to have confidence in it. The same people have tuned out by the time I explain I’ve had all sorts of vaccines over my 50 years – polio, BCG, tetanus, typhoid, yellow fever, hep B, malaria.
So many intelligent people, doctors, medical specialists, scientists, epidemiologists, journalists questioned the policies from day one. At best they were ignored, at worst they were bullied, discredited, and cancelled.
The time will come of course when the economic, social, educational, familial, cultural, and medical damage caused will finally be widely acknowledged. But then we will have to stomach the “hindsight is a wonderful thing” brigade. From day one there was foresight as to the horrendous pointlessness of the measures. No need for hindsight. Daily Sceptic has kept me sane, given me hope, and published data that has convinced me that I chose the right side. The “new normal” was never normal, and we should pray to whatever God or higher power we perhaps misguidedly believe in, that the notion of it disappears down the sewer of history.
Excellent post OB – if your chronic heart condition is stable, then you have made absolutely the right choice to do your own research and your own thinking and not take the jab – your heart will thank for you for it in the longer term, particularly now we know that the jabs can cause all kinds of carditis and thrombolitic events.
BTW I love your description of out of step:
“ Not just in a “wearing jeans to a black tie do” out of step. But in a kind of “shall we invite Adolf and Herod round for dinner, darling?” out of step.”
Instead, there was a clear prioritisation of quality of life over length of life.
Terri Schiavo comes to mind. She was kept alive, but her existence could hardly be described as living.
How do you know?
I was sceptical from day one. I never adhered to any lockdown. In all our history we have never shut the country down for a disease no one could see affecting their family or neighbours. There were no ambulances flying around either. We were also coming out of flu season so why keep us away from sun and fresh air just when we needed to boost our immune systems.???
I was deeply shocked and upset that my own daughter and her husband had succumbed to such obvious propaganda. She has destroyed our family in her fear. She will not let me see my grandchildren until I am vaccinated. She will not talk to me over the telephone and has not replied to my letters. I decided from the beginning not to give her rational information from eminent scientists because she genuinely seemed to have become sucked into a nonsensical narrative driven by fear.
I hope your daughter and her husband eventually make contact with you. Keep strong
Very hard Mojo – your daughter seems to have lost the run of her faculties if she thinks you can get covid from a letter or a phone call. I jest, a bit, I know, and I know that what you are describing is the way that she has ostracised you, particularly from your grandchildren which is very cruel indeed. By doing that she is harming them as much as she seems to be almost trying to coerce you into complying with the nonsense.
I have similarly tried to put rational information from eminent scientists to my family members who just don’t want to know. There comes a point in time when you yourself cannot take any more abuse back, when all you are trying to do is help people and you do have to say to yourself “OK, I tried – when the history of the world comes to be written I can say I really tried” and then you just have to let it go. Some people are so captured they cannot be reached. That being said, when they come out with stuff which is patently illogical I do point out the total and utter illogicality to them.
They’ve basically described me. I was inconvenienced by the lock downs/restrictions, but I’m very resilient and it hasn’t ruined my life. I objected because it was obvious it would ruin the lives of millions who were at no risk from the virus.
I haven’t participated in the medical experiment because I make my own decisions about my own body and, having done the research which they tried to make incredibly difficult by silencing the genuine experts, I was sufficiently informed to know that it wasn’t a good idea.
I’ve fairly successfully managed the personal relationships, apart from one spat with my sister who announced she wouldn’t see me again if I didn’t have the jab ….. and that lasted for 3 weeks until it became inconvenient for her!
PS. I’d like to say “Thank You” to the person/people who started Stand in the Park. It was wonderful to meet a group of similarly sceptical, freedom-loving and respectful people after several months of thinking I was the only person who hadn’t gone insane.
It’s NOT a “vaccine”, it’s an experimental injectable.
Funny enough in my home country (Italy), which is a deep socialist country, all restrictions (mask-mandate, green-pass, distancing, etc.) were removed on 1st may because it is the day of the main celebration for the left-wing party at the power. The mask-mandate however remains effective in school until the last day, apparently only for burocratic reason; in other words, to avoid a ‘risk-assessment’ for all teachers and following distruption.
Then, no surprise when in the next election a far-right wing party will win.
I remember saying to a colleague in March 2020 just before the first lockdown was announced that, based on what we already knew then, this wasn’t the Black Death and seemed mostly to affect the elderly and sick, so we should protect those people while the rest of us carried on as normal until herd immunity was established. I have seen nothing in the subsequent two years to cause me to alter my view. Indeed the evidence confirms I was right.