Evidence of Increased Infection Risk Following Third Dose, Exacerbated by Vaccination Drive During Omicron Wave, UKHSA Data Show

The latest UKHSA vaccine report shows infection rates per 100,000 continue to be considerably higher in the vaccinated, as do death rates in the double-jabbed. Plus: Did boosting during the Omicron wave make it worse?

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Despite all the mess that are the official sources of data regarding Covid infections, hospitalisations and deaths, we should at least be grateful – not only that they give us a chance to glimpse beyond the spin-doctors and into the reality of what’s going on with the pandemic in the U.K., but also that the data are also giving us insights into the way diseases propagate through the population.

First of all, just to make things clear – Table 12 in the UKHSA Vaccine Surveillance Report once again shows data for those triple-jabbed rather than two-or-more doses, as was given for the data for 2021 since September. However, we can estimate the rates for those with only two jabs using data in Tables 9-11 and vaccination data available from the NHS. Using these data we can estimate infection rates by vaccination status (above); from these data we can then estimate the unadjusted vaccine effectiveness for infection for those having two or three doses (below). The infection rates continue to be considerably worse in the vaccinated, both double and triple jabbed, translating to highly negative unadjusted vaccine effectiveness estimates. Note that these figures are rates per 100,000 so take into account the different sizes of the cohorts, meaning it’s not because there are more vaccinated people than unvaccinated.

It won’t immediately be obvious from the above charts, but what we see this week is the infection rate in the triple-vaccinated continuing to worsen, but an improvement in the infection rate for the double-vaccinated. This then is reflected in the estimated vaccine effectiveness – better for two doses, worse for three doses. This can better be seen in the graph of the change in unadjusted vaccine effectiveness by age and dose, below. Note the scale on the y-axis, and the fact that all values are negative, most considerably so, reflecting higher infection rates in the vaccinated, both double and triple jabbed.

In that chart the rebound in the vaccine effectiveness for those having had two doses of vaccine looks rather remarkable.

Of course, this is difficult to explain as a simple ‘change in vaccine effectiveness’ – we all know by now that vaccines wane in their effectiveness, but while it is possible for vaccine effectiveness to get better, this is always seen close to the point of vaccination as the immune system response to the vaccine matures. We don’t tend to see such significant improvements some time after vaccination.

So what’s going on? While there are several potential mechanisms to explain this sudden drop and then recovery, I believe that the most likely explanation is that we’ve fallen foul of some of the the small print in the data: “Third dose 14 days or more before specimen date.” More specifically, we have already seen that there is an increased risk of infection in the three weeks following both the first and second doses of vaccine; it is likely that a similar effect is occurring after the third dose. The “14 days or more” in the small print means that if there were increased infection rates in the recently boosted then these cases would be counted within the data for the double-dosed.

Is this effect enough to explain the sudden increase in cases in the double dosed? Looking at the booster dose rollout data (below), it is clear that the time window for the low point in the vaccine effectiveness curve for the double-dosed is aligned with the rollout of the booster programme in those aged under 40, and there were still high booster-vaccination rates for those aged under 70 around weeks 48-49. Note that the data for the week two and three 2022 vaccine surveillance reports actually come from weeks 49 2021 to week two 2022, which I’ve highlighted in the pink rectangle.

A reasonable question to ask at this point is why this effect wasn’t seen before. I suggest that it is likely that this effect was responsible for the dip in vaccine effectiveness seen for older age groups from October 2021, just before the impact of the boosters resulted in vaccine effectiveness increasing once more from November. It is unfortunate that we don’t have data for two and three doses separately for this time period, as these data could have supported the hypothesis that the drop in vaccine effectiveness was an effect due to the ‘recently boosted’ having higher infection rates.

There remains the question as to why the dip in vaccine effectiveness was so deep during the first few weeks of this year; this is almost certainly due to this being the peak of the Omicron wave. I have heard many times that it is foolhardy to undertake mass vaccination programmes during an epidemic wave, and these data likely show why. Note that it isn’t just that the recently boosted would have been more likely to be infected – they’d also be likely to infect others, making the peak of the epidemic wave higher than it would have otherwise been. This effect is true of negative vaccine effectiveness in general – the current data suggest that the impact of the vaccines, including those boosted at the start of the booster programme, will be to have more cases than we’d have had if we had only vaccinated the most vulnerable, with concomitant increases in hospitalisations and deaths.

The hospitalisation data show only minor changes from last week’s report. The vaccine effectiveness against hospitalisation for those aged 70 and over shows a continued fall; the double-vaccinated in this age group now appear to be approximately 75% more likely to be hospitalised compared with if they’d never been vaccinated. It is possible that this is due to a ‘healthy vaccinee’ effect – I discuss this below. While it is possible that we’re seeing a delayed version of the ’14 days or more’ effect mentioned earlier, note that the most negative vaccine effectiveness is seen in those aged over 70, who had their booster doses some time ago; I don’t think this effect explains the increased risk of death that we’re seeing in the data.

All that said, I’d suggest that those aged over 70 are very likely to be vulnerable to Covid and thus would benefit from a booster. This would likely offer them protection against hospitalisation, with short and medium term side effect risks likely to be lower than the health risks they face every day (which are substantially greater than found in the healthy young). While questions remain about longer term impacts of the vaccines, in the short term at least they seem to be offering some protection to the elderly and infirm. With this in mind the important aspect of the very negative vaccine effectiveness seen in the chart above is what it tells us of the risks that might come for the non-vulnerable vaccinated. Also, it is important to remember that the elderly are used to having to take medicines to counteract the negative consequences of other medicines, or continuing to have to take medicines to stop the negative consequences of withdrawal  – this is not a situation that the healthy young are familiar with, and in my opinion there would have to be significant benefits of a medicine or treatment to make exposure to this type of ‘lifelong medication’ worthwhile.

The gap in unadjusted vaccine effectiveness between those aged under 70 and those aged over 70 appears to have increased slightly. It is possible that this reflects the time delay between the first vaccinations for the vulnerable in January 2022 and the rollout of the vaccine into less vulnerable groups a few months later. Alternatively, this gap might reflect age-related changes in the immune system and how it responds to the vaccines.

The data for vaccine protection against death shows a mildly worsening picture compared with last week’s Vaccine Surveillance Report, with negative vaccine effectiveness for two doses of vaccine seen for all age groups over 30 other than the 40-50 age range where there is still some positive effect of vaccine. Of course, the series of well-defined data points suggest precision, but in reality there will be uncertainty around each data point – without additional data it is difficult to add error bars or confidence limits. I’d suggest that it is best to consider that two doses of vaccine offer around zero protection against death for those aged under 60. The situation for two dose vaccinees older than 60 is more complex – the data strongly suggest that these individuals will have an increased risk of death compared with the unvaccinated, but I again note the possibility of a ‘healthy vaccinee’ effect, that is, where the increased death rate in the double-vaccinated actually reflects those most close to death not being given a booster. Without data on the morbidities of those that die (and that are hospitalised) it is impossible to confirm or deny the presence of this effect.

That said, last week I considered that if were are seeing a ‘healthy vaccinee’ effect then we should expect to see those very negative effectiveness figures for protection against death from two doses of vaccine for those aged over 60 rebound a little further and then flatten out over the next few months. I don’t think we’re seeing this effect yet.

Note that I present the data for deaths 60 days from a positive test, rather than the normal 28. This is because the data suggest that the vaccinated have a relatively high risk of death in the 28-60 day period, compared with the unvaccinated; this suggests that the vaccinated have a slower disease progression, but with similar outcomes. I would very much like more data on this potentially important subject, but more data isn’t available (a common problem with any data that might show the vaccines in a negative light – compare this with the extraordinary efforts being taken to identify more cases of the mysterious Long Covid).

Finally, one point not shown in the data above: U.K. reported cases have flatlined since mid-January at around 90,000 cases per day, and mortality is still hovering at its recent peak of approximately 250 deaths per day. But perhaps this is to be expected – in the U.K. we get around 50,000 to 120,000 cases per day of OC43, the most common variety of ‘coronavirus cold’, and perhaps an average of 50-100 deaths a day within 28 days of catching an ‘OC43 type cold’, with more during winter and fewer during summer. Is our current situation not far from where we’d expect to be once Covid became endemic in this country?

In summary, the latest data suggest that:

  • Infection rates continue to be elevated in the vaccinated, with even those boosted seeing higher case rates than the unvaccinated. 
  • The increased risk of hospitalisation for those with only two vaccine doses appears to be getting slightly worse
  • The increased risk of death in the double-vaccinated compared with the unvaccinated continues to be troubling.
  • It is likely that our current infection rates are getting closer to what would be expected from an endemic ‘common cold’ caused by a coronavirus strain.  Hospitalisation and death rates appear to remain slightly high on that comparison.

Amanuensis is an ex-academic and senior Government scientist. Find him on his Substack page, Bartram’s Folly.

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Hugh_Manity
Hugh_Manity
4 years ago

“In summary, the latest data suggest that:” (With thanks to Occam’s Razor): 

  • Infection rates continue to be elevated in the vaccinated, with even those boosted seeing higher case rates than the unvaccinated because these so called “vaccines” significantly degrade your immune system;
  • Because of the above, your risk of hospitalisation significantly increases:
  • Because of the above, the risk of dying in hospital is much greater, especially if you are put on a ventilator or prescribed midazolam;
  • It is likely that our current infection rates are getting closer to what would be expected from an endemic “common cold” caused by a coronavirus strain. That is because in reality that is all Covid-19 ever was. It is the flu/common cold repackaged. The fraudulent PCR test is unable to distinguish between the two;
  • The end.
4PureBlood
4PureBlood
4 years ago

FDA revokes Emergency Use Authorization for Monoclonal Antibody treatment for Covid-19. Looks like the FDA is pushing for the Pfizer and Merck antiviral pills. This is so wrong. Big pharma essentially writes and directs the policies for federal health agencies. Everything health agencies do benefits pharma. They need to stop all experimental tx and focus on the real treatments like ivermectin and HCQ. There’s no need to make people Guinea pigs when there are proven safe drugs. Get your ivermectin before it is too late https://ivmpharmacy.com

Farmer Charlie
Farmer Charlie
4 years ago

“Evidence of Increased Infection Risk Following Third Dose Exacerbated by Vaccination Drive During Omicron Wave, UKHSA Data Show.”
Flippin’ ‘eck, my head hurts. I’m trying to work out from that headline exactly what’s been show to do what ‘cos of what.

Dylan2021
Dylan2021
4 years ago

It is saying something that even the heavily doctored numbers still reveal these elevations in vaccinated infection rates. Imagine what they would reveal if they told the whole story.

As long as the vaxxed hospitalized and dead are added to the unvaxxed pile there are lies, damned lies and then there are covax statistics.

“In fact, if you take account of the fact that newly vaccinated people who die are likely being misclassified as unvaccinated, because that’s the most likely explanation for the strange things in the data, then you get to the conclusion that the vaccines don’t seem to be reducing all-cause mortality rather produce a genuine spike in all-cause mortality shortly after vaccination.”
Professor Norman Fenton

https://hughboone.substack.com/p/and-if-you-go-chasing-rabbits-and

wildman10
wildman10
4 years ago

https://twitter.com/john_actuary/status/1486754984154873860
The Institute of Actuaries Covid Covid group has interesting data on vaccine and booster effectiveness. The booster seems to be faring far better against Delta than Omicron but those with AZ vaccines see the booster effectiveness quickly fall to zero against Omicron

Bolloxed Britannia
Bolloxed Britannia
4 years ago

Who knew? Well Geert Vanden Bossche, amongst many others knew, but this NWO compliant turd of a Tory administration don’t do real science, they do malevolant ideology…

stanley_plank
stanley_plank
4 years ago

So this explains the rush to get everyone boostered. Because they knew that the double vaxxed had an impaired ability to fight infection.
The problem is that after a couple of months that vaccine efficacy has faded to below the protection of natural infection.

leek
leek
4 years ago

Dear Amanuensis

Can you show your calculations, where you derive negative effectiveness against hospitalisation or death.

The unadjusted data rates in table 13 of the vaccine surveillance report does not support your conclusions.

Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  leek

You can email them at [email protected]

leek
leek
4 years ago
Reply to  Julian

I’d like to see the justification on here. Obviously the claims are not justifiable from the data. It’s just a pack of lies.

Julian
Julian
4 years ago
Reply to  leek

My point was that they may not read the comments – but I could be wrong

TheJamFan
TheJamFan
4 years ago
Reply to  leek

I don’t think you understand the data. It’s very clear.

Darryl
Darryl
4 years ago

The cabal that runs the media keeps up the lies and hatred against the un-jabbed. A very small group of corporations and individuals own virtually all the media world wide. Isn’t it about time we asked why Great Resetters such as the Murdoch family are still obsessed with jabbing everyone on the planet? Also Mr CNN Ted Turner (the man who allegedly funded the Georgia Guide Stones) has the same obsession.

Doesn’t anyone in the general public think it is a bit odd? and resembling CCP style societal control more every day. Can barely think of a single person working in MSN who shouldn’t lose their jobs for inciting genocide.

steve_z
steve_z
4 years ago

Children’s mental health: Huge rise in severe cases, BBC analysis reveals
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-60197150

well done BBC – this is your lockdown – you wanted it so badly

leek
leek
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_z

How is this related to vaccination effectiveness?

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  leek

I’d like to complain about the poor quality of trolls on this site!

Can’t they send someone at least partially competent to lie to us?

huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
4 years ago

Perhaps we are viewed as the front line, the dirty trenches where 77 send their latest recruits to bloody them.

If they survive the battering here perhaps they are let loose on such as The Daily Fail.

Drinks all round.😀

Will
Will
4 years ago

Excellent article as always. It is a rare talent to be able to make such complexity understandable, for a numpty like me.

leek
leek
4 years ago
Reply to  Will

No it is just anti-vaxx nonsense. Targeted at people who don’t understand.

PoshPanic
PoshPanic
4 years ago
Reply to  leek

Then feel free to put your challenge forward and enlighten us all.

leek
leek
4 years ago
Reply to  Will

Just saw some charts and believed them…..

Read the original report. You will see..

Star
Star
4 years ago

According to the royal-decorated Wellcome Trust director Jeremy Farrar, using the Torygraph’s “science correspondent” Joe Pinkstone as his foghorn, anyone who says SARSCoV2 may have come from a laboratory is putting “the world at risk of a new pandemic”.

In short, being sane in public is anti-social – and far, far worse than going nuts with a submachine gun at a school or a railway station.

Imagine even talking about SARSCoV2 when you suffer from lifelong mental rabies.

Keep on going Joe, and maybe they’ll make you a “Sir” one day, eh, you creep?

Lockdown Sceptic
Lockdown Sceptic
4 years ago

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steve_z
steve_z
4 years ago

Israel going through a remarkable surge in cases and deaths

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-cases

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths

steve_z
steve_z
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_z

Israel has exceeded its peak death rate for the entire pandemic this last week

everyone has about 4 jabs, including 5 year olds and the Omicron variant is no worse than a runny nose

how does that work?

TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
TheyLiveAndWeLockdown
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_z

They redefined vaccine herd-immunity & pandemic…
This jus “redefines” protection to mean vulnerability.

realarthurdent
realarthurdent
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_z

Huge jump in COVID patients in ICU too. So the vaccine clearly isn’t preventing serious illness there.

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amanuensis
amanuensis
4 years ago
Reply to  steve_z

The data coming from Israel is remarkable.

It should be headline news.

Also, watch to see what happens in New Zealand over the next 30 days.

TheJamFan
TheJamFan
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

I do hope it’s not bad news for that nice Miss Ardern.

Will
Will
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

Do you think it is Original Antigenic Sin amanuensis?

Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
4 years ago

From December 2020:

£252m to Ayanda Capital, registered in Mauritius for tax purposes. PPE not delivered

 £186m to Uniserve. PPE not delivered

 £116m to P14 Medical Supplies, with assets of just £145. PPE not delivered

 £108m to PestFix, with just 16 employees. PPE not delivered

 £107m to Clandeboye Agencies, a sweet wholesaler. Yes, a sweet wholesaler. PPE not delivered.

 £40m to Medicine Box Ltd, with assets of just £6000. PPE not delivered.

 £48m to Initia Ventures Ltd, which registered itself as “dormant” in March. PPE not delivered.

 £28m to Monarch Acoustics, which makes shop furniture. PPE not delivered

 £25m to Luxe Lifestyle, which has no employees, no assets, and no turnover. PPE not delivered

 £18m to Aventis Solutions, which has total assets of £332. Not a typo, £332. PPE not delivered

 £10m to Medco Solutions, incorporated just 3 days after lockdown, with share capital of (not a typo) £2. PPE not delivered

 In all, approx £1bn to inexplicable suppliers for PPE that hasn’t been delivered.

steve_z
steve_z
4 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

incredible

Aleajactaest
Aleajactaest
4 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Where did you dig those up from Foxy?

I think Mark Steyn over at GB News would like to get his hands on those data

ellie-em
ellie-em
4 years ago
Reply to  Aleajactaest

I saw something similar on the Good Law site, Jo Maugham.

A passerby
A passerby
4 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

We’ve had their new definition of vaccine, it only seems right and proper that we should return the ball with a new definition for Government Spending Policy:- Event Horizon.

Darryl
Darryl
4 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

There is so much fraud to investigate, yet I imagine very little will be and the establishments courts will let the prosecuted few off with light sentences. The system looks after it’s own and their families.

huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
4 years ago
Reply to  Emerald Fox

Hell’s Bells.

Emerald Fox
Emerald Fox
4 years ago

“All that said, I’d suggest that those aged over 70 are very likely to be vulnerable to Covid and thus would benefit from a booster. This would likely offer them protection against hospitalisation, with short and medium term side effect risks likely to be lower than the health risks they face every day”

If we deny them their boosters, will we be able to Look Them In Their Eyes?

Get your boosters, you old folk, or you’ll get Covid and end up in hospital!

On the other hand, we could reduce their heating bills, and make sure they can afford to eat properly.

sjonesy1999
sjonesy1999
4 years ago

Been a while since the drug treatment has been in the news actually hasn’t it? Are they getting spooked.

Fortyman
Fortyman
4 years ago

So if you are 70 and only have two jabs should you have the booster? On the face, the data support it. BUT if two jabs render one so vulnerable with time, will the booster render you even worse over time. Secondly, the first two jabs were AZ but the booster would be Mrna. Thirdly, might the vaccine effect wear off in time to a point where it is effectively the same as unvaxxed? Fourth, Omicron is less severe than delta and past experience implies future variations would be less serious. My father and his parents lived well into their 90s, so 20 plus years for the unknown longer term effects of Mrna vaccines to manifest. A conundrum.

maggie may
maggie may
4 years ago
Reply to  Fortyman

Yes, i am getting a bit fed up of hearing that over 70s are ‘vulnerable’ and should have the vaccine and boosters. I read early on in this s***show that a healthy and fit 70yo can have a much better immune system than an overweight and unfit 40yo so I really don’t think these wild generalisations are any help.

I am 71, fit and healthy, take my vit D every day. I have never had a flu or heaven forbid covid jab and seldom get anything other than the occasional cold and since starting the vit D hardly any of them. i did have something back in autumn of 2019 remarkably like covid though, not very serious although the cough lasted a long time.

The idea that the elderly don’t have much to lose from any long-term effects of the jabs is as you say a bit cock-eyed, many healthy 70yos could well live for another 20 years, plenty of time for these effects to show up.

amanuensis
amanuensis
4 years ago
Reply to  maggie may

The ageing of the immune system is complex. We really need much more research of the impact of overall health on covid risk.

If you’re taking vitamin D supplements make sure it is over about 1,200 IU a day during winter/spring. Below this level the benefits are marginal.

Rather sadly, the point about ‘risks’ is real. It isn’t about how long it takes for risks to turn up, but what risks are taken day by day anyway. If a treatment increases annual risk of death by 1% (in absolute terms) then you might not even see the impact in the mortality rates for those aged over 80, but for those aged under 30 it would be a massive increase in mortality.

Fortyman
Fortyman
4 years ago
Reply to  maggie may

I am 70. I know someone of 83 who had covid but it was no worse than a cold. My BMI is just over 23.My blood pressure and pulse are the same as an average man in his early twenties. I exercise regularly and can easily walk12 miles without thinking about it . I am lucky with my genes but have looked after myself. I take a high safe dose of vitamin d3 and vitamin c in the winter with occasional zinc. I had the two AZs because we were told it would help stop the spread.. Ha! I have decided not to have the booster for the time being and regret having had the two AZs. My choice. If I’m wrong, my fault.

amanuensis
amanuensis
4 years ago
Reply to  Fortyman

I’m still in two minds whether there will be a net long term benefit of vaccination for the most vulnerable.

I’d suggest that there is probably a point where ‘it is worth it’, but that age/morbidity is difficult to ascertain.

huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
4 years ago
Reply to  Fortyman

No conundrum. Don’t go near the injections.

Hypatia
Hypatia
4 years ago

Work colleague yesterday reported that yet another of her friends / acquaintances has “gone down with covid”, which she claims is “rife” where she lives.

I asked if they were ill, or what symptoms they have. Oh, no symptoms and most are not ill, but they have tested positive and are isolating “to be on the safe side”. I pointed out that if they weren’t at all unwell, they most probably had a dodgy test result (or were skiving, though I didn’t add that bit.)

And yes, they are all vaxxed. I didn’t find out why they were testing themselves, but from what bits I hear of her group, they are all covifanatics, so probably do it as a matter of course. Vaxxes working well then.

You can’t help some people!

BJs Brain is Missing
BJs Brain is Missing
4 years ago

After extensive research it seems my preferred course of action and relying on my own natural immunity, following infection in late 2019, seems to have been vindicated and been proved correct.

Not trying to be a clever dick, I just have faith in my own health and body.

Hypatia
Hypatia
4 years ago

My grandmother always said you should rest, if you got a cold, “to give your body chance to fight it”.

When you felt a bit better, you should go for a walk in the fresh air, to “loosen the cold, then you can blow it away”.

Never failed. She supplemented it with whisky with hot water and sugar before bed on the worst days. She lived to be 90. And was barely troubled by colds or flu.

Aleajactaest
Aleajactaest
4 years ago
Reply to  Hypatia

Feed a cold, starve a fever

maggie may
maggie may
4 years ago
Reply to  Hypatia

Sounds like my grandmother! A very wise lady – she did have a whisky and water every day though, not just when ill!

amanuensis
amanuensis
4 years ago

I’d very much suggest vitamin D supplements as well — everyone in Europe is vitamin D deficient during the winter months and into early spring, and the impact of vitamin D on regulation of immunity is well known.

MrTea
MrTea
4 years ago

I was speculating the other day that the whole partygate thing has been set up and implemented by Boris to distract from the abject failure of the vaccine programme.
Throughout the national disaster that has been the lockdown policy the one thing the Tories have puffed their chest up about are the vaccines and the speed of the roll out.
If it is widely acknowledged that the vaccines actually make things worse then Boris and the Tories really are up poo creek.
Having Boris publicly criticised for allowing parties is a minor issue in comparison, a nice distraction for a far bigger failure.

Mike Oxlong
Mike Oxlong
4 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

But every time a politician talks about easing of restrictions, it’s always thanks ‘to our amazing vaccine rollout.’ What utter shite.

MrTea
MrTea
4 years ago
Reply to  Mike Oxlong

Yes indeed. They gave pharma a massive blank cheque and pharma served up mass murder in return.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago

So the cure spreads the infection – sounds like Mafia plot!

Oh….wait!

Any sheep still asleep?

Oh dear ……only millions.

Smelly Melly
Smelly Melly
4 years ago

A friend of a friend is a super bedwetter and has been since day one. However, his wife keeps on testing positive which they think is due to the fact she know keeps on getting nose bleeds from shoving a stick up her nose and blood getting into the test solution. Apparently they are going to test less now.

Should I spread it around that super bedwetter lives with somebody who’s positive and should permanently quarantine?

MrTea
MrTea
4 years ago
Reply to  Smelly Melly

Send them details about Chinese anal swabs.
It will open up a whole new world for them.

China Using Anal Swabs for COVID Testinghttps://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210128/china-using-anal-swabs-for-covid-testing

Apparently most Tories were doing these years before covid came along, all the rage at no.10 parties.

amanuensis
amanuensis
4 years ago
Reply to  Smelly Melly

The rate of reinfection is troubling.

It would be very useful to see some data on reinfection rates in vaccinated vs unvaccinated.

kate
kate
4 years ago

https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/the-us-public-health-response-has
Malone’s latest substack.
Some very brave whistleblowers are exposing the new leaked data out of the DoD on what is happening to our servicemen. The death and disease statistics for 2021 are shocking. Later today or tomorrow will be the big release of the validated data discussed at the Senator Ron Johnson hearings last week.
I will get the data up as soon as I am able tomorrow on as many channels as I am able. Please share when I do – let’s make this viral! Stay tuned!
Everyone has a choice in this battle, this battle for good and evil. For our children’s well being. For our soldier’s well being. For our populace’s freedom. Censorship, propaganda can only last if we all let it.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  kate

Malone: Covid Hero – one of about a dozen of the most outstanding

kate
kate
4 years ago

https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/my-statement-at-the-feb-4-acip-meeting
I have just 3 minutes. I’ll be talking about 3 reasons that they should not approve the Moderna COVID vaccine. I’m confident they will ignore everything I say; they don’t want to hear it.None of the ACIP committee members will talk to me. They ignore everything I send, including my offer to donate $1M to a charity of their choice if they would just answer my questions on a recorded zoom call.
They are not interested in seeing the safety signals we found either. The FDA and CDC don’t want to see those signals either. I’ve tried numerous times and gave up.

DoctorCOxford
DoctorCOxford
4 years ago

The value of vaccination, of 2 dose and of boosters slides with age rather quickly, since the risk for those healthy and under 40 is so low from Covid. The marginal benefit of vaccination at all doesn’t seem likely to be increased sufficiently by a 3rd dose to warrant cost and NHS resources dedicated to it. The concern is how much marginal benefit 3rd dose and potentially a 4th doses provides those 65+ and the immuno compromised. Because if it falls significantly and may cause immune system degeneration in any way, then we should stop at 3. A more towards curatives or a vaccine that targets the whole virus seems the better place for investment.

We all know the flu vaccine has a sometime woeful impact due to strain evolution. But because we have lots of curatives, we can handle that reality. Whatever the Covid version of Tamiflu eventually is decided to be (out of many competitors), that will be what protects us longterm. Not repeated jabbing, and especially not the lower age cohorts.

MrTea
MrTea
4 years ago
Reply to  DoctorCOxford

Perhaps you haven’t heard but Tamiflu never worked, it was always a pharma con.
In addition it isn’t that the flu vaccine is sometimes woeful, it is always woeful. It does not provide any benefit yet it is one of the most damaging vaccines going, perhaps it is because they still stuff mercury in it?

Anals of Internal MedicineThe Effect of Influenza Vaccination for the Elderly on Hospitalization and Mortalityhttps://www.acpjournals.org/doi/full/10.7326/M19-3075

‘The data included 170 million episodes of care and 7.6 million deaths. Turning 65 was associated with a statistically and clinically significant increase in rate of seasonal influenza vaccination. However, no evidence indicated that vaccination reduced hospitalizations or mortality among elderly persons. The estimates were precise enough to rule out results from many previous studies.’

Sforzesca
Sforzesca
4 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

Also studies have found that countries with higher flu vax percentages in the elderly also have higher percentages of “covid related deaths”.
This may be due to the vaccines harming the immune system leaving it more open to respiratory infections and or that they preserve the very elderly thus leaving more low hanging fruit.
Sorry unable to provide link but believe it was in a Cochrane report about 18 months ago.

JohnK
JohnK
4 years ago
Reply to  MrTea

The other issue with the ‘flu jabs is that from early last year, the NHS widened the age range to encourage it’s use. It’s now age 51 or more. I’ve no idea whether it’s been taken up as intended, but as it only has a short ‘shelf life’ during any year, it’s entirely possible that they have to scrap a lot of it each year.

NickR
NickR
4 years ago
Reply to  DoctorCOxford

I don’t disagree with what you say but I feel where the medical profession have fallen down is to go along with the idea that you can outsource personal responsibility for your own health to big pharma. If you look at the NHS deaths in hospital since March 2020 96% of all fatalities had a ‘pre-condition’. The predictor of a good/bad outcome from a dose of covid, or flu is general health not how many vaccines you’ve had.
Clearly, there are unfortunate people who have debilitating conditions but I continue to be amazed at how so many people allow themselves to become so unhealthy.

amanuensis
amanuensis
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

It takes effort to stay healthy.

As people age they think of their health the way it was 20 years before — you’ll find people in their 50’s talking of running fast or playing football like a pro — but it is fond recollection, not their current state.

When reality comes calling and they realise they’re obese etc, it is very difficult to claw yourself back into health.

NickR
NickR
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

I agree. One of the most illuminating studies during the whole farargo was a Zoe one fitness after lockdown 1. It boiled down to the people who were fit before the lockdown got fitter, the unfit for unfitter! About 3kgs gained v 3kgs lost a delta of 6kgs & a few points on the BMI scale.
BTW, excellent graphics, I like how you’ve shown the divergence of 3x vaxxed from prior 2x.

refusenick
refusenick
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

Yep

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John Dee
John Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  NickR

I’d suggest that anyone who feels comfortable with the drivers behind Big Pharma should watch the TV series ‘Dopesick’, which deals with the actions of the drug company (and the FDA’s complicity) during the Oxycontin opioid scandal, which addicted large swathes of the US while being touted as ‘1% addictive’.

amanuensis
amanuensis
4 years ago
Reply to  DoctorCOxford

We need some clinical trials to investigate this.

Instead they’re just going ahead full steam.

GlassHalfFull
GlassHalfFull
4 years ago

Regarding “vaccine” effectiveness against hospitalisation and death.

The vaccinated have been told that it stops them needing hospital treatment which creates the placebo effect whereby a vaccinated person who catches Covid doesn’t feel the need to go to hospital because they’ve been told by a “higher authority” that they are protected. This skews the figures in favour of “Vaccine Effectiveness”.

Conversely an unvaccinated person with exactly the same symptoms have been told via propaganda they are likely to die and will therefore present themselves to hospital through fear which again skews the figures against the unvaccinated.

All these “healthy vaccinee”, “unhealthy unvaccinated” and vaccine induced Covid patients within 14 days of the jab (regarded as unvaccinated in some studies) are skewing the figures making the jabs look a lot more effective than they really are (if they are effective at all).

We all know that the ONS has grossly underestimated the unjabbed population by the many articles on this website.

I still believe the jabs are totally unnecessary and cause a lot more harm than good.

leek
leek
4 years ago

Effectiveness against symptomatic disease

Vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic COVID-19 has been assessed in England based on community testing data linked to vaccination data from the National Immunisation Management System (NIMS), cohort studies such as the COVID Infection Survey and GP electronic health record data. After 2 doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine, vaccine effectiveness against the Omicron variant starts at 45 to 50% then drops to almost no effect from 20 weeks after the second dose. With 2 doses of Pfizer or Moderna effectiveness dropped from around 65 to 70% down to around 10% by 25 weeks after the second dose. Two to four weeks after a booster dose of either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine, effectiveness ranges from around 60 to 75%, dropping to 25 to 40% from 15+ weeks after the booster. Vaccine effectiveness estimates for the booster dose are very similar, irrespective of the primary course received (3). Vaccine effectiveness is generally slightly higher in younger compared to older age groups.

Effectiveness against hospitalisation

Several studies have estimated vaccine effectiveness against hospitalisation in older ages, all of which indicate higher levels of protection against hospitalisation with all vaccines against the Alpha and Delta variants (6, 7, 8,… Read more »

MrTea
MrTea
4 years ago
Reply to  leek

They compare their vaccine effectiveness to those that have not had the illness naturally and recovered.
A fairer comparison would be between naturally recovered and those artificially exposed by way of injection.
The naturally exposed and recovered are much better protected from future illness because natural immunity is much longer lasting across numerous variants whereas the injections required regular boosters.

Fortyman
Fortyman
4 years ago
Reply to  leek

Relative or absolute? The difference is fundamental to understanding.

amanuensis
amanuensis
4 years ago
Reply to  Fortyman

It would be helpful if the authorities spent more time explaining to the population who are at risk from covid. They’ve done the opposite and scared everyone.

leek
leek
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

If the population don’t know this it is because they have been living under a rock. It has been explained repeatedly.

amanuensis
amanuensis
4 years ago
Reply to  leek

The behaviour of the public suggests that most people massively overestimate their risk from covid, except for the most vulnerable who seem to underestimate it slightly.

This effect has also been seen in surveys.

I’ve not seen any official sources explain the low risk from covid in the non-vulnerable. I have seen plenty of official statements that say that everyone is at risk, with the implication being ‘similar risk’.

John Dee
John Dee
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

I’ve always been a sceptic on this matter, and have taken a greater interest in it that almost anyone of my acquaintance. So, I’m fairly confident that if the government had been telling me repeatedly about relative risk from covid among the various cohorts within ‘the public’, I’d have noticed.

leek
leek
4 years ago
Reply to  Fortyman

efficacy of a treatment is always expressed as relative. Otherwise you are not assessing the treatment.

Had you read and understood the surveillance report, it would be obvious to you.
You would then have understanding.

Watcher
Watcher
4 years ago
Reply to  leek

Leek, cutting and pasting from CVSR without wondering whether ‘they would say that, wouldn’t they?’ doesn’t do you much credit and exposes you to a charge of weak critical thinking.

As a product of UKHSA, CVSR is not an independent piece of work and it presents much of the data in such a way as to mislead or obscure. After all the lies and propaganda of the last two years, you cannot criticise people for questioning it.

Even the text you have quoted is so scientifically imprecise (“was associated with a vaccine effectiveness of…”etc) as to be virtually meaningless, even if it wasn’t already contradicted by much of the statistical data elsewhere in the report. 

Aleajactaest
Aleajactaest
4 years ago
Reply to  leek

Hello Private Leek – backing up your troop movements along with Pt Rational I see.

How are you getting along with boot camp? Hard to learn cut and pasting eh?

Never mind, you’ll be back in your comfy Mum’s basement when your shift is over.

amanuensis
amanuensis
4 years ago
Reply to  leek

They use test-negative case-control. If you look at some review papers for the method (just do an internet search — I won’t pre-select one for you) they pretty much all state that this method shouldn’t be used for vaccines with the characteristics of the covid vaccines.

huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
4 years ago
Reply to  amanuensis

Please ignore this idiot.

leek
leek
4 years ago
Reply to  leek

So 8 people disapprove of this good news. Why?

186NO
186NO
4 years ago
Reply to  leek

Go to c19study.com and read up on the success – real world – that medics the world over have achieved by treating patients EARLY rather than waiting for viral loads to be higher and only putting people in hospital when they have got …sicker.

And you should read how these medics have found IVM and HCQ to be very effective at defeating the virus in double quick time – especially those in Utter Pradesh.

Early treatment anti viral repurposed drugs (with no statistically relevant record of death and adverse effects) effectiveness versus death and adverse effect inducing “vaccine” effectiveness…….. which would you rather have?

As others have stated, the difficulty for you is trusting the Pharmas to do a Cochrane standard assessment of their drugs – they do not have the best track record with that or did you not know that – as well as determining the difference between “RRR” and “ARR”…

kate
kate
4 years ago

https://jermwarfare.com/blog/reiner-fuellmich-covid-exit-strategy
Reiner Fuellmich on Jerm Warfare discussing covid exit strategy.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago
Reply to  kate

Reiner Fuellmich : the bravest and most outstanding defender of Humanity and champion of the exposure of Covid Evil Lies and Falsehood on the planet!

If we survive this genocidal bio-warfare against all humanity, he will be the ultimate hero.

Fraser Nelsons Underpants
Fraser Nelsons Underpants
4 years ago

The amount of people I know who have come down with COVID shortly after getting “the jab” suggests to me that it really does make you more susceptible, at least in the short term. A couple of my friends have blamed this on the long queues they endured to get “their booster.” I just nod and smile. They may be right but it never seems to occur to them that maybe, just maybe, these “vaccines” are not as effective as advertised.

David Beaton
David Beaton
4 years ago

Little steps… but slowly getting there!

MrTea
MrTea
4 years ago

Must have been all those dirty unvaccinated waiting in line for their booster.

amanuensis
amanuensis
4 years ago

Pretty much every study has identified this effect for jabs #1 and #2. There’s a presumption that it is occurring for jab #3. This is exactly why the data always starts at >21 or >14 days post vaccination.

The problem (from an epidemiological point of view) is that they mix the <14 days since booster (in this case) data in with the data for the double jabbed — they should be presented separately.

TheJamFan
TheJamFan
4 years ago

Pretty much everyone I know who has been vaccinated has got it. It has put a lot of them off their boosters, amusingly.

John Dee
John Dee
4 years ago

If you’d been vaxxed, you wouldn’t want that to be true, either.

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