A study by the U.S. CDC (a Federal Government health agency) has found that natural immunity is superior to vaccine immunity alone, and that being vaccinated on top makes little difference, confirming the findings of several studies in other countries.
The study looked at Covid infection and hospitalisation rates in California and New York during the Delta period, June to November 2021. The chart below shows the hazard rates over time for the four cohorts (no vaccine and no prior infection; no vaccine and prior infection; vaccine and no prior infection; vaccine and prior infection) for hospital admissions, adjusted for age – focus especially on the relative heights of the three dashed lines near the bottom.

The authors write: “These results demonstrate that vaccination protects against COVID-19 and related hospitalisation, and that surviving a previous infection protects against a reinfection and related hospitalisation.” Note that the unvaccinated group here is split between those who are and are not previously infected, so is not directly comparable to the UKHSA data which does not make this distinction.
The authors note that, while prior to July the vaccinated were better off than the previously infected, come the summer and the arrival of Delta, prior infection was stronger.
Similar to the early period of this study, two previous U.S. studies found more protection from vaccination than from previous infection during periods before Delta predominance. As was observed in the present study after July, recent international studies have also demonstrated increased protection in persons with previous infection, with or without vaccination, relative to vaccination alone.
In a nod to the superior effect on the immune system of exposure to the virus, they comment : “This might be due to differential stimulation of the immune response by either exposure type.”
The vaccines waned in efficacy over time and against Delta, the authors note: “Importantly, infection-derived protection was greater after the highly transmissible Delta variant became predominant, coinciding with early declining of vaccine-induced immunity in many persons.”
In contrast, protection from natural immunity didn’t appear to wane: “Whereas French and Israeli population-based studies noted waning protection from previous infection, this was not apparent in the results from this or other large U.K. and U.S. studies.”
The study findings were adjusted for age and controlled for prior infection status, but not for any other potential confounders, such as “behavioral or geographic differences in exposure risk”, differences in testing behaviour, and “uncertainty in the population size of the unvaccinated group without a previous COVID-19 diagnosis”. Unlike the UKHSA, which repeatedly states in its reports of similar data that such confounders are unknown and render the data unusable for estimating vaccine effectiveness (an equivalent quantity to hazard rate), the CDC authors just state: “Different trajectories between vaccinated persons with and without a previous COVID-19 diagnosis, and similar findings for cases and hospitalisations, suggest that these biases were minimal.”
Which prompts the question: why is UKHSA making such a fuss about how unusable its data supposedly is for estimating vaccine effectiveness? Why can’t we have a similar report from the UKHSA, using similar methods? Note that UKHSA data is already effectively controlled for age because it is divided into age bands, and the CDC is content that other biases are so minimal as not to worry about them. This makes the UKHSA’s position even more untenable, and further pressure should be placed on it to produce a similar study using its data.
This study from a U.S. federal agency is particularly welcome as it means all the people claiming that vaccines are better than natural immunity can be pointed to a source they will presumably regard as authoritative to set them straight.
Of course, this is all pre-Omicron, and Omicron evades immunity much more than Delta – though vaccine immunity more than natural immunity, meaning natural immunity is still stronger. One study suggests natural immunity is better against Omicron than three vaccine doses, and more resilient.
The most important fact about Omicron is how much milder it is than Delta. Another recent CDC study found Omicron to be less than a tenth as deadly as Delta – which means you can take those low IFRs for Covid and divide them by 10. Between high population immunity and low Omicron severity, even lockdown proponents are having to acknowledge that the end is very much in sight.
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Im still waiting for an explanation of how injections with an actual risk reduction of zero percent, as reported in the British Medical Journal (21/10/20) and repeated again in the Lancet (20/4/21) have, over the course of manufacturers/government reporting systems, acquired seemingly magical powers of efficacy?
EXCELLENT graphic. Has been on my mind for quite some time now!
They have done it because the Government regards the level of intelligence of the people as being so negligible as to be held in totally derisive contempt and ignored.
It took the CDC 2 YEARS to tell us what we already knew. Bet they don’t alter the trails methods to get this info BEFORE they test it on CHILDREN
STOP ALL TRANSFECTIONS NOW
You don’t know… your just believe.
Ignorance is a dangerous thing. Makes you easy to manipulate.
‘Makes you easy to manipulate.’
The irony.
No. Ignorance is a choice.
I know it’s a radical idea, but you can actually learn this immunology stuff you know, it’s called “Biology”. Start with all Stanley Pearlmans papers, follow the references and read those too, it took me about 8 months.
You could also read all the DRASTIC documents, get a good handle on 20 years worth of coronavirus “Research” they’ve been doing with mRNA and GoF, only to learn they could never make a sterilizing vaccine for SARS (period) or make an injected prophilactic, without killing people. Learn how they already knew the mRNA vaccine hypothesis would fail before the pandemic (stated in the PREEMPT docs when DARPA turned down the funding for the experiments to make a vaccine that only provided antibodies to a single epitope).
After that start reading on all the mechanisms of the innate immune system that are effected by lipid nanoparticles. Once you’re past the short term effects, look at Toll Like receptor interaction with spike protiens, and discover the implications for Cancer. Move onto how prions work in disease, the effects of codon optimization on mRNA, and what that means for protein replication in the context of prion disease once it’s injected into you body. I could go on…
Ignorance is a choice, you chose wrong.
‘I know it’s a radical idea, but you can actually learn this immunology stuff you know’
You don’t even need to go that far.
1) Just look at the criminal record of Pfizer and the fines they have paid.
2) Look at the regulatory capture and the political donations Pfizer makes.
3) Know that this was a ‘warp speed’ development where they have no liability for harms caused.
Only a cunt would roll up his sleeve for that.
The created the injection in TWO HOURS. TWO EFFING HOURS!!!!
I think you must have lost “rational” at the use of the word ‘biology’…
No…, really? Have IQ’s dropped significantly over the past few years or something?
Personally speaking, my own natural immunity (having caught the lurgy in late 2019) has kept me in great shape over the past two years.
I think IQs have dropped. Have you stood on a street corner and watched driving lately? try it. Give it an hour.
A few weeks ago, I did ask if any research had been undertaken to investigate IQ levels pre-and-post jab!
Judging by the commenters on this site, the IQs are beyond repair.
judging by some of the twats on this site recently, I’d say the 77th have been let in again. Always obvious by their lame, drive my adhoms. Spud, is that you?
And a big hello to our newest ‘recruit’ from 77.
The consitent absence from ‘rational’ of anything of intellectual substance that might elevate the debate might lead one to believe that your IQ is depressed, that you are an AI drone or that your account is a renamed version of ‘thinksaboutit’
It’s changed names at least 7 times on the forum, it’s a typical cluster b personality type, best ignored.
‘rational’ has more variants than CONvid19!!
And mine.
The massive joke is why this statement from CDC has to be made in first place and so late in the game. What should be sooooo different about the virus they say is “covid” that if you get it they don’t know whether or not you have natural immunity from it until CDC says you do. Surely, like any other virus, it should be the case that you catch it, recover from it, get immunity to it, end of.
I’m torn between massive relief that after 2 years of asking CDC finally admits that NI is a thing, and that it doesn’t wane, unlike whatever it is you get when you get jabbed (immunity it most certainly ain’t), and wondering why they should let this out now.
Makes me wonder if something is going on. Time will tell.
The only semblance of a surprise is that the CDC has actually published all this.
I will watch the BBC avidly to see how quickly they spread this disinformation.
Read the study and weep Tim Davie you utter bastard.
May you and your ilk rot in hell forever
“Superior immunity might be due to differential stimulation of the immune response”.
You don’t say!
You mean things like dendritic cells, toll receptors, interferons etc aren’t stimulated by the jab?
Oh but wait, since the jab could only ever stimulate an adaptive immune response, quelle surprise.
Again, here’s hoping that Dan Wooton or someone else at GB news picks this up and runs with it.
Proof that they should have done antibody testing before doing all that mass (grab a jab) jabbing. People with prior covid infection known to be harmed by covid jabs.
Black king pacing up and down in one corner of the board.
Game’s up, it’s all over.
It’s a might powerful King but it will fall even the more impressively. Popcorn at the ready.
I fully understand your sentiment, but those who have caused such misery, harm and destruction over the past two years must not be allowed to control the narrative or evade justice.
They will all prosper. Every day brings a new excuse – today the BBC tells us why the west ignored the good news from SA regarding omicron’s zero mortality rate – it was because we’re all racist! We also learn today that the reason for the explosion in rates of fatal blood clots in younger people is…. Netflix!
When you control the media you can say whatever the fuck you like, and force people to agree or be silenced.
You make a good point. The burden of proof is always on those who challenge them. The can throw out the Netflix theory and expect the sceptics to spend time countering such nonsense. Their goal has then been achieved.
Zero… Really
You are just making stuff up.
Is the CDC making things up?
Oi you just piss off. You don’t belong on here know
A delightfully poetic summary
Oh dear. The huge amount of covid industrialists will not be happy. It’s going to take some severe dismantling to find all these people some real work to do…
Then how the BLAZES can vaccine mandates for NHS frontline staff not have an explicit exclusion for those with prior infection?
(In reality, a) I don’t believe there’s ANY grounds for that mandate anyway and b) I realise that it’s NOT about the science. But I’m just putting forward something which even Covidians should agree with.)
I don’t believe there is a single frontline NHS employee left who isn’t naturally immune by now anyway.
Most unfortunates in hospitals “catch” it from fellow inmates.
How would you define immune?
Since lots of NHS people have been vaccinated, how can you consider they are “naturally immune”?
Think it through.
Ordinarily, I wouldn’t bother replying to you, but YOU think it through.
At least 100,000 NHS workers are unjabbed and want to stay that way. You’d know that if you were genuine.
Oh look everyone, the 77th trolls are back
It’s inconceivable after almost two years that any frontline NHS staff have not got natural immunity or gained such via their work.
I believe Jabbit and Johnson will use this as reason to back down and drop the NHS sackings
Thinking about it we need an app that you use to enter any shop, restaurant, leisure facility or public building that confirms one’s status as ‘never being on the covid payroll’. Only those who have not taken a penny from the covid con should be allowed into our free society. Or would that be too discriminatory?!
How about a requirement to present sheets of plastic printed by the Bank of England, instead of various electronic gadgets etc?
What do they mean by immunity? Antibodies? Memory T cells? Memory B cells? Cd4+ T cells? CD8+T cells? Natural Killer Cells? Dendritic cells? Neutrophils? Eosinophils? Phagocytes?
Antibodies last only a relatively short time once a pathogen has been removed. The long term memory is formed by Memory T cells and B cells. If the same pathogen reappears then the memory cells will trigger the release of antibodies.
There’s been a fixation on the presence of antibodies, totally ignoring the other 90%+ of the immune system
Interesting that most “thumb people” haven’t notice that this comment is against the original article.
How exactly do you know what is someone;s mind when they signify approval of a comment?
Your comment exhibits a lack of awareness.
And John’s comment is not ‘against’ the article, its commenting on the CDC study which like most concentrates on antibody count.
Just ignore the tosser.
Better still red flag him/her/it
Also its important to know that the upper respiratory tract is pretty much unaffected by any jab related reaction. It can only be influenced by nasal/urt stimulation. Hence why some flu vaccines are intranasal (though getting a consistent response from them is a problem i believe) . It is an area heavily dominated by secretory IgA and other secreted substances, and the IgG antibodies stimulated by the jab are pretty much useless in helping prevent infection in this area. This is why, as we all know by now, the jabs cant stop transmission. Once cells are infected they can only be stopped by the various killer cells.
The problem with using only the spike protien for the jabs, despite it being shown to be pathogenic and capable of damaging cells by itself, is that your immune cells recognition of the virus is limited to only one part, and when it inevitably mutates you dont have all the other parts of the virus that have been processed and recognised to fall back on. Then you can ask if the jab produces the right balanced response between antibody and cellular immunity. There have been articles on this site saying that after the 3rd jab the antbody levels were 100 times greater then after natural infection. This suggests to me that the response is biased to antibody which can actually have a negative effect in outcome. What is clear is that natural immunity was and always will be better then vaccine immunity. They all knew it but that doesnt sell jabs.
What about IgM, which is the initial antibody response? This one is very short lived.
I suspect that the same may be said about all vaccinations. I still have measles antibodies some 50 years post infection (measles virus remains in the body, hence antibodies are still required to keep it under control).
I had a dark thought when all that nonsense with the jabs started. What if the poison they put in nukes the immune system along the lines of cancer treatment. So immune system gone but you get some temporary immunity to whatever via ‘booster’ ever so often. It wouldn’t be an addiction to the shots but some short time relieve from chasing one cold after the other.
Your instincts are pretty much spot on, these jabs DO nuke the immune system by numerous mechanisms. The mRNA shots switch off something called CD8 which is a fundamental part of the immune system and the spike protein production also changes how the immune system functions. There is more – Robert Malone is on record saying these injections can trigger fundamental changes in the immune system – and that you cannot repair a genetically reset immune system. The vids below explain this:
Vaccine creator Geert Vanden Bossche PHD says we must stop the program
https://www.bitchute.com/video/aPDaNal9Bizv/
Dr Ryan Cole Speaks With Del Bigtree of The Highwire Upon The Latest Covid Injection Effects.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/owb6PsTtzvUR/
I’M DR. ROBERT MALONE. I INVENTED MRNA. BEFORE YOU GIVE IT TO YOUR CHILD HEAR MY WORDS.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/JMOQLiPfTXev/
Absolutely excruciating listening to these people grid the gears. Yes, spike only vaccines injected into the arm might not provide as broad a protection as natural recovery. Honestly, there were plenty of scientists pointing this out 12 months ago.
Vaccines tend to cause less deaths than catching the disease.
I know you people don’t want to admit this, but it is true.
An inconvenient truth. Come to terms with it.
These are NOT vaccines. They are computer generated gene therapies. I hope that has cleared that up.
They’re not vaccines and it’s fewer, not less.
We have absolutely no idea of the long term consequences of repeated injections.
The evidence is that the short term effects of the injected gunk are more dangerous than the disease to younger people and especially children.
There have been many cases in the past of vaccines being withdrawn from market because they had a fraction of the detrimental effect of the covid ‘vaccines’.
An inconvenient truth for you. Give it a rest. Your continuous stream of deliberately antagonistic posts are indicative of a paid shrill or a very very sad person.
So after the government and their commie leaning ‘experts’ denied we had immune systems they have now confirmed we do have them and that they are better than the mRNA jab. Amazing!
Oh well, theres only the small matter of tens of millions of Brits who now have genetically modified bodies manufacturing the toxic spike proteins with bonus nanotech and graphene cherries on top. As Graham Taylor England manager used to say “youve got to experiment”.
Yeah right, what a load of codswallop. We all know who runs the CDC: Gates, Fauci, Pharma. The USA medical arena is a joke and, quite frankly, ours isn’t much better with Vallance and The Wellcome Trust.
I hope someone forwards this to Mosely!
Time Sad Khan were not only kicked off public transport but kicked out of office and, better still, out of our country.
Another entry for my bookmark folder “Bed-wetters in retreat”.
What “vaccine” immunity?
Gosh!
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