We’re publishing an excellent piece today about the risks of the booster roll-out by Dr. David Livermore, Professor of Medical Microbiology at the University of East Anglia. He points out that Geert vanden Bossche, a critic of the Covid vaccines, may be right – that leaky vaccines deliver a brief adaptive protection against infection but simultaneously impair innate immunity, causing a reduction in non-specific protection once the initial protection has worn off. If that’s true, he doesn’t think it’s an argument for not boosting the over-50s or the vulnerable. But it is an argument for not boosting the young and healthy. Here are the opening few paragraphs:
The Government’s answer to Omicron is boosters, boosters and more boosters. Everyone over 18 is eligible. Early queues exceeded five hours; December 18th saw 904,000 boosted. Israel is doling out fourth shots to the over-60s and Germany plans to follow suit.
Please don’t lump me with the anti-vaxxers as I roll my eyes. The present vaccines are invaluable for preventing severe COVID-19 – probably via a T-cell mechanism – in anyone of late middle age or above, or with vulnerabilities.
But those of us who broadly support vaccination must be honest: Spring’s fond notion that we could mass vaccinate our way out of the pandemic, as with measles or polio, is a busted flush. The dash for boosters only underscores the point.
The core problem is that the vaccines give only brief protection against infection. Moreover, they are ‘leaky’, and SARS-CoV2 can outflank them. Clinical trials suggested that the doubly vaccinated initially enjoyed 90% protection against infection. But, with ageing vaccination and circulating Delta, this eroded by summer’s end. Omicron is even more evasive. At a December party in Oslo, where 98% of 117 guests had been double vaccinated, 74% caught COVID. Boosters restore protection to 71-76%, but this doesn’t last long. Early UKHSA evidence is that it’s down by 15-25% within 10 weeks.
Worse, by using leaky vaccines, we are conducting a huge Darwinian experiment, with ourselves as guinea pigs.
Worth reading in full.
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runny_nose_2022 has peaked
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
zoe data will show the same when it comes out later I expect
We were told in March 2020 that this illness was really contagious. If that’s true we’d all be immune by now. Keep resisting. Never stop.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8FYu1xesfM
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I think we are wiping out the human race. The Bible said “The meek shall inherit the earth”. Maybe it meant the wildlife that manages to exist after we are all gone? These things are going to take one hell of a bite out mankinds ass.
hard to tell. I’m undecided between a) we will look back and realise the vaccines were oversold and underperformed b) there will be some long term vaccine effects we don’t yet know about
Both a) and b) are raging certainties.
a) is however a distinctly benign interpretation.
I’m a downtick missing. Tea break at 77?
You really haven’t been paying attention.
I’m increasingly learning toward the more apocalyptic scenarios of the vaccine doubters. I already see evidence of “all cause” deaths spiking from non-COVID and assume that this will only increase the more people get additional jabs. Plus, we still don’t know the long-term effects of vaccination. That’s to come as well.
Perhaps we should report the govt to the Advertising Standards Commission (or whatever it is these days). Their ‘advertised’ “Safe and Effective” claim is clearly false, misleading at best.
World population increased substantially over the first year of covvibollox, just as it dies every year no matter what. The idea that either covvie or the snake oils will exert the slightest downward pressure on human (over)population is preposterous.
That depends entirely on how many die.
It won’t affect Africa, for example, because forcing jabs there is so much harder.
European countries could drop though, surely?
The meek may inherit the earth but they won’t get the title deeds
The Bible says not to worship money, or you will be poisoned by it.
It points this out quite a lot.
We’re just being shown this over again, because it has been forgotten.
I turn to Genesis 11 and the tale of the Tower of Babel, where God will frustrate any empire-builder, i.e. govts and Big Pharma, and scatter them to the ends of the earth. No man-made empire where the central regime tries to replace God has ever survived.
“What shall it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his own soul”
The ones who are working on gaining the whole world haven’t got souls to lose.
from the full article above
“Adding everything together there remains a valid argument for boosting those likely to develop severe or life-threatening Covid, meaning the over-50s and anyone with specific risk factors…..But the argument for boosting the young and healthy with leaky vaccines is thinner than threadbare. At best it will give brief protection. At worst, it will misalign their immune systems and push the virus to evolve further and unpredictably.”
seems a reasonable position. Andrew Pollard and Dame Sarah Gilbert thought the same. Tony Blair thinks they are idiots and Macron would probably revoke their citizenship.
Justin Trudeau would prosecute them for the hate crimes of misogyny and racism.
So says Mr “Black Face” himself!
Breaking news:
The world’s most famous war criminal now let’s the world know that he is also a multi-disciplinary world leading scientist in so many subjects that he cannot remember them all.
And if anybody says he is mis-speaking they are an idiot.
So there.
Tony gets lashing of cash from Bill, so he’s got to talk bollocks. Money for old rope really, as Tony can’t do anything else.
Tony Blair certainly has a kind of “Non-stop Bullshitting Man” aura.
Sajid Javid has it too.
Agreed.
Don’t think he needs any remuneration, from anywhere and any person, to talk bollocks – he has made a career out of doing just that..
I see my downtickers are back.
It’s an honour badge, Hux.
(Weren’t me!)
Thank you BS665.
Personally I always identify myself when I downtick and I don’t do it that often. If I downtick I explain why.
I like to think I am a sort of courageous keyboard warrior
Do stop the nonsense about the snake-oil being OK for older cohorts. The lack of proper testing and leaky nature applies across the board. I am sick of ‘sceptics’ being entirely gullible on this fction.
Well if tony bliar thinks they are idiots then the opposite must apply.
Therefore Pollard and Gilbert speak the truth.
tony bliar is unable to recognise truth even when it hits him in the face.
It’s not a reasonable position unless you exclude all those who have had Covid, and give full information so that informed consent is possible to the rest, and vigorously pursue safety investigations, including post mortems on all possible linked deaths, and high, high numbers of prospective studies actively measuring the effects on indicators like D dimers and many others – not just in those hospitalised after the jabs, in those apparently well too – all with data fully available and with uncensored discussion of safety. Without all that it is not reasonable at all.
Even the health status of the over-50s has a very wide range (I have many 50-70yo friends who are still pretty fit and playing sports regularly), so there can never a a ‘one size fits all’ approach, which means any mandates make no sense. It must be the individual’s own decision.
As a 71 year old GP, who jogs 25km a week, and is full of vitamins C and D, zinc and quercetin, I am in the fit group. Must be individual choice, and anyone opting to take the gene therapy will make the gene pool a bit less shallow.
So according to Dr Livermore it’s ok for the late middle-aged (probably includes me) and vulnerable people to be used as guinea pigs in this experiment with “leaky vaccines”? Jeez. Presumably he doesn’t fit into those categories?
I agree with the thrust of what he is saying but, at 51, I put myself in the ‘young and healthy category’.
‘I agree with the thrust of what he is saying but, at 51, I put myself in the ‘young and healthy category’.’
Hmm. Of course you do. A wise move.
Which category would ‘they’ put you in, though?
Probably the ‘from birth to death’ category for relentless jabs.
“Birth to death” – now getting closer by the jab!
More bollocks. You could easily get a job with 77th Brigade.
What is “late middle age”?
I identify as a 35 year old (despite being 49).
Never be 50, or you are suddenly classed as weak and vulnerable.
I identify as 62 despite being 41.
Sorry, you can’t legally change your age, at least not in Holland. Yet.
Livermore really does want to kill everybody’s granny.
It really infuriates me that anyone unlucky enough to fall into the over 50 demographic is immediately assumed to be vulnerable and in need of protection. I’m 62 and have no health conditions, don’t take medication and am not overweight. Without a doubt I’m fitter and more active than many people half my age. If anything I’ve underused health services throughout my life and rarely been ill. I’ve already had covid and can honestly say it was nothing.
It really infuriates me that anyone unlucky enough to fall into the over 50 demographic is immediately assumed to be vulnerable and in need of protection.
Absolutely agree with you – you cannot just make blanket decisions regarding age – I know of under 50’s who sit around all day long, are overweight, smoke too much and can’t walk to the end of the street without taking an inhaler with them and are constantly in and out of doctors surgeries for all kinds of prescibed medication – there really is very little wrong with them and what they need is a change of lifestyle not more medication – but they are deemed low risk. On the other hand I know of plenty of over 50’s who don’t smoke, eat well, are not on any prescribed drugs and are as fit as fiddles – one 67 year old I know cycles 40 miles a day five days a week – he really doesn’t look a day over 50 and yet I know some 30 and 40 year olds that look like they’re in their 50’s and 60’s and its all down to their lifestyles.
My brother is ten years younger than me but every year colds and flu’s come round he gets hit very hard with symptoms lasting weeks because he is a very heavy smoker with a poor diet and heavily on the booze most weekends – thats his lifestyle choice, however, I’m the boring one who due to a love of sport has kept physically fit all my life, has never smoked and only has an occassional beer and I also try and watch what I eat – if i didn’t do these things then I couldn’t continue with the sports I love participating in – when colds and flu’s came round every year I very rarely come down with it and when i do have symtoms they tend to be very mild and only last a day or two
I’m not going to lecture anyone on how to live their lives – live and let live i say – but I do think we need to get away from this idea that you should be judged according to your age rather than your actual health and physical fitness – I’m convinced that your lifestyle choices make a big impact on your bodies ability to deal with all kinds of viruses.
This is how you know it’s all a complete scam. Never once in this so-called pandemic have public health figures encourage the population to focus on what they can do to be healthier, fitter, more resistant to ill health – other than getting jabbed up to the eyeballs. Zero emphasis on diet, exercise and lifestyle, vitamins and other supplements etc. The truth, if we believe the ICNARC reports, is that the vast majority of people in ICU with covid (vaccinated or not) are morbidly obese. That is the elephant in the room (no pun intended).
Never apologise for under using health services. Thank your lucky stars.
Especially now. Hospitals are like fuckin prisons.
Another scientist waking from his slumber. Funny how these experts in their field are only now understanding what many of us understood nearly a year ago. Seems common sense is vastly underrated.
Change of terminology for boosters?
It was obvious that they would never settle for one or two booster jabs but an eternal treadmill of jabs would be imposed. No one will attain the fully vax’d status…
“‘the term “fully vaccinated” is being replaced, according to White House chief medical adviser Dr. Anthony Fauci.
“We’re using the terminology now ‘keeping your vaccinations up to date,’ rather than what ‘fully vaccinated’ means,” the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases said Tuesday.”
https://resistthemainstream.org/fully-vaccinated-is-being-replaced-here-is-the-new-term/?utm_source=newsletter2
Condemned by their own semantics
Control the language and you control the world. Orwell tried to tell us.
That is why all this started 25 years ago with Political Correctnes in Language advanced by the Marxist Feminists!
It has been a long slow march through our culture . We now see clearly where it was all heading .
Much, much earlier.
They never want anyone to be ‘fully vaccinated’, ie there’s always room for another one
The truth will out, it always does.
The passing of time will show the world and his dog the nasty medical çonsequencies of these experimental gene therapies, as well as their inability to prevent harm.
My wife received the flu vaccine 15 years ago. A few months later she lost her hair. She asked our GP for medical exemption from the Covid vax. The GP couldn’t do this on her own authority but needed to refer it a consultant virologist. The consultant today told missus ‘there’s no reason she can’t be vaxxed’.
These criminal medics must face their day in court. ‘Do no harm’ is anathema to them. Its more important to their egos to toe the line of the medical industrial complex.
Needless to say, missus wont be vaxxing.
No, and good for her.
Keep your hair on, I say.
LISTEN UP. Have you noticed how just lately all the ‘offical stats’ are suddenly pointing to the useless injections being a stunning success, and its mostly non injected in ICU’s? This is how they got everyone screaming its a pandemic of the unvaxed. This is going to spook resitors. Its going to justify them putting real pressure on us. And they know it. Its a key part of their strategy. Unless we find out HOW THEY RIGGED IT – WE ARE GONNA LOSE THIS WAR!!
Read through the comments on ydays pieces – it is explained.
Thank you I did.
The article in Conservative Woman on this, linked yday in the round up, is a must read. Woman with a history of potentially fatal reactions to vaccines, she was refused exemption, told she could have the jab in hospital near resuscitation facilities! You don’t need to read more than that one article to get that what is going on is evil in the extreme.
There are no exemptions.
The only way out is for a majority of the population to refuse any more jabs and to stand firm.
Not expecting that to happen.
Personally, a hill to die on though.
I am a person with a fully functional immune system and a basic grasp of life and death.
When it comes to daily news I’m afraid being uninformed rather than misinformed has always been my default position. However after receiving a number of NHS-NoReply text messages recently about some covid vaccinations, 1st, 2nd or booster, I’m beginning to wonder whether I’ve missed something.
Obviously it hasn’t escaped my attention that about 99% of people out shopping now wear face masks, my questions are:-
1. Assuming there is a connection and this is not a charity fund raising activity for the NHS, are they carrying a diesese?
2. Afraid of catching a diesese?
3. Vaccinated or Unvaccinated?
4. Has the definition of the word vaccine changed?
Please keep replies simple and avoid any reference to Schrödinger’s cat Theory.
They’re insane.
Don’t know how long you have been visiting this site your best bet to questions 1, 2 and 3 would be to read ‘A state of fear’ by Laura Dodsworth,
Further information is in a book’The Real Dr fauci” by senator robert F kennedy jr.
The meanings of pandemic and vaccine have been changed by the WHO the head of which by the way has no medical qualifications whatsoever.
Hope this helps
‘But the jabs didn’t hurt!’
‘Evolution leads to greater and greater efficiency of matter!’ – Prof. S. Atan
Is that Matt Hand Cock?
So the ‘boosters’ are ruining immune systems that are 99.8% capable of dealing with Covid, perhaps even more with Omnicon, yet the good doctor deems it necessary to risk the health of millions of over 50s with said ‘boosters’.
You’re all mad!
The problem is that the bit that’s protecting people, and which is hypothesised to be suppressed by the vaccines, is the innate immune system.
However, the innate immune system tends to become dysfunctional with age, and much more reliance is put on the adaptive immune system. This is almost certainly why covid is so much worse in the elderly — the main protective system for coronaviruses doesn’t work properly leaving only adaptive immunity to help (which isn’t so good at that job).
Thus if there’s a suppression of the innate immune system:
So, given the above, you might expect to have an age point where the adaptive immunity benefits of regular boosters outweigh the harm done to the innate immune system (as there isn’t much of one left to harm).
I’d put this point at about 65-70 — 50 seems way too low an age.
That said, we really need to understand more about vaccine side effects to declare there to be a net benefit whatever the age range.
As a 66 year old I have been a proud anti-vaxxer for over 20 years and not had a vaccine for 35 years.
I have been researching the adverse effects of vaccines since Dr Andrew Wakefield, who I greatly admire, raised the issue with MMR.
I have yet to find a vaccine that I need or is safe.
I play tennis twice a week, am fit and healthy, not over weight, eat well and rely on my declining immune system to keep me safe.
As you say, there is no evidence there is any benefit of these experimental jabs even in the elderly.
However, if the elderly, or anyone else, are obese, unfit, smoke etc. then they will be more prone to sickness and ill health which will be self inflicted.
I’m 63, and have been a proud anti-vaxxer for 35+ years. Last time I had a ‘vaccine’ was 50-51 years ago, at the age of 12/13, when in school: the BCG [German Measles] ‘jab’. I of course THEN knew nothing re. the immense dangers of, and medical scam of, the things termed ‘vaccines’.
35+ years ago, I began researching those ‘V-things’, using those things called books… and discovered the wealth of evidences/data/facts which together demonstrate just how dangerous they are, and that they are indeed a medical scam.
I wouldn’t go within a million miles of ANY ‘vaccine’, let alone the current injections…
I keep my immune system boosted by eating well, and by taking daily supplements of certain vitamins and other similar natural substances which boost our innate healing system. Chlorella, the green algae, is excellent.
I’m the only one in my immediate and extended family who’s not rolled up my sleeves… all the rest of my relatives (and almost all my friends) have gullibly, naively, submitted… even AFTER I’d provided them with a wealth of factual info. from honest doctors, scientists, etc etc, re. the immense dangers of these injections, and re. what’s REALLY going on, worldwide. They still chose to ‘believe’ the stuff coming out of their beloved TVs… More fool them, huh…
Well done you.
The vaccine I had 35+ years ago was for tetanus after a cut eye playing football.
I didn’t know any better them days.
I certainly do now.
Prior to that mine would have been the BCG like you.
Although I’m healthy it didn’t stop me having a mild dose of Alpha back in March 2020 which will give me some natural immunity.
Even without it I would still have refused the jab.
My medical notes also say I refused the flu jabs which upset my GP’s as they lose money for everyone who refuses.
Keep the faith.
What’s wrong with a tetanus jab? My uncle John died of tetanus aged 5. It wasn’t available then – it would have saved his life.
I was 28 years old at the time and had I been offered it now I would have refused it.
Sorry to hear about your uncle.
Tetanus?
Per 100,000, the vaccinated are now spreading Omicron far more than the unvaccinated, according to the UKHSA.
It is rather extraordinary that the press aren’t all-over these statistics.
There is a very interesting (to me) nuance in the UKHSA surveillance data — at the start of each covid wave the trend reverses for about 4 weeks — for this period the ratio moves to favour the vaccinated. I’ve no idea why this should be, but it has become a reliable trend.
If pushed I’d suggest that a good proportion of the vaccinated-infected develop an asymptomatic infection first, which then progresses into symptomatic infection after a few weeks. Now, this is an extremely fanciful idea because covid just doesn’t behave that way in the studies done to date, but it is very difficult to reconcile what is ‘accepted knowledge’ about covid with the actual real-world data.
I think we’re seeing the tail-end of this effect in hospitalisation and deaths figures (as they follow cases by about 2-3 weeks) — we probably won’t get to negative vaccine effectiveness, but it should remove some of the vaccine benefit suggested by the above table.
Could it be to do with the idea that people aren’t classed as vaccinated until 14 days after their jab?
May I suggest you send them to Whitty and Bozo – under the heading of “Completely safe my arse”…?
It’ s mind-boggling to me that this isn’t Page 1 news around the world.
These days most journalism consists of copying and pasting what some person wrote on Twitter, so I’m not surprised
They remind me of the Easter bunny
https://youtu.be/dguiAWrUGMM
As RickH always emphasizes, it’s the absolute risk which is important, not the relative one, and you have to do some mental arithmetic to work that out from those tables.
It’s worth doing though. I’m sixty, and unvaccinated, and from that table the odds against me being hospitalized with Covid, over the course of a whole year, are about 100/1.
I have backed a few 100/1 winners in my time, but they all had a lot more going for them than this virus has. I mean, I’ve only had one cold in the last 17 years, and only seen my GP once in that whole time. I can’t believe I would be the most vulnerable sixty-year-old in any random group of sixty-year-olds.
I respect what Prof. Livermore has written, and found it informative. But how he could recommend I get injected with these drugs on the basis of the figures above is beyond me.
Dr M K all over ARR vs RRR in The Clot Thickens.
He gives an example where the RRR = circa 90%, ARR = circa 1% (cannot remember the actual example but it is there); no prizes for guessing which figure the Pharma trial trumpeted to underpin the drug “efficacy”.
Should be a simple matter to ban the misuse of stats if governments wished to do so; after all they regulate a ton other businesses what protocols must be followed…unless they are bought off in some way.
And that ‘misclaimer’ they have added to each report since week 43:
“In the context of very high vaccine coverage in the population, even with a highly effective vaccine, it is expected that a large proportion of cases, hospitalisations and deaths would occur in vaccinated individuals, simply because a larger proportion of the population are vaccinated than unvaccinated and no vaccine is 100% effective. This is especially true because vaccination has been prioritised in individuals who are more susceptible or more at risk of severe disease. Individuals in risk groups may also be more at risk of hospitalisation or death due to non-COVID-19 causes, and thus may be hospitalised or die with COVID-19 rather than because of COVID-19.”
All bases covered (in bullshit).
Boosterism. Much like the belief in ‘change’ in degenerating democracies: it becomes a slogan and end in itself, regardless of content or content provider.
But if the previous change disappointed you, WHY DA FUCK WOULD THE NEXT ONE BE THE ANSWER?
Moral, medical and political consumerism by Dodos.
You can see from today’s vaccine surveillance report the futility of boosters in terms of the decreasing efficacy in the boosted older age groups (now negative efficacy).
You are creating a transient increase in antibodies which provides a very temporary increase in the quantity of immune response. But this comes at the expense of a narrower and narrower immune response.
In the long term you can’t tackle ever worsening quality of immune response with increased quantity of response. It’s a recipe for disaster. The boosters are making things ever worse.
The way I interpret what’s being said here and using your graph as an example of that… Boosting regularly is creating a possibly ( questionable ) window of protection against severe disease, but creating windows either side ie 2 weeks following and a few weeks before reboosting, where people stand a far higher risk of becoming sick, than they would have otherwise.
It is worth pointing out another implication.
Case numbers don’t follow ‘relative infectiousness’ in a simple linear fashion.
If you double the likelihood of 90% of the population getting infected, then you’d expect case numbers to increase about 3fold.
I believe that this is the reason for the substantial numbers of covid infections that we’re seeing this winter, rather than simply ‘Omicron is far more infectious’. I suggest that if we were largely unvaccinated (I suggest that only the most vulnerable should be vaccinated) then our current case numbers would be much lower. I also note that if cases were reduced to 1/3rd (for example) then you’d also expect deaths to be lower by 1/3rd (including in the most vulnerable).
It is possible that we would have lower death rates in the country if we’d vaccinated only the most vulnerable compared with our favoured approach of vaccinating everyone.
That’s a very good point, which gets overlooked when commentators focus on the vaccines reducing the chances of hospitalization among the vulnerable – if the vaccinated weren’t out there infecting the vulnerable in the first place, they would need to be protected against hospitalizatiion.
Sounds to me as though he’s saying that we should really have protected the old and vulnerable and the vulnerable ie “quarantined” them if they so wished and let the rest of us just get on with it, until, you know, what’s it called err, herd immunity, kicks in.
It is just a pity, but more a crime, that so many expert immunologists have and are still being muzzled.
Whenever I hear phrases like “it’s probably via a T-cell mechanism” from so called immunologists it makes my eyes roll.
In plain English, you haven’t got a bloody clue what is happening, because neither you nor any other expert knows enough about immunity.
Even I could give half a dozen examples of fundamental known unknowns of the Immune system, but, and this should worry everyone – it’s the unknown unknowns that bother me.
GVB seems to be the only one with a brain.
The fundamental problem with immunity is that scientists largely stopped studying the innate system (which is about 95% of it by the way) over 20 years ago as they were overtaken by the new kid on the block, gene therapy.
Basically they are concerned only with modifying the adaptive system via computer coded modelling of gene response. They have no idea how this affects the synergy of both systems, but no matter, time will tell. Lol.
Yes Mr. Blair, anyone who refuses this junk is obviously selfish and an idiot.
I hope you and your ilk rot in Hell.
Yes, I had the same feeling when I read ‘probably via a T-cell mechanism’ with the same raised eyebrows.
Come persuade me to take this stuff when you know definitely what the mechanism is, I can guess things all by myself.
Reminds me of the head of the Dutch OMT saying 2 weeks ago how the effectiveness of the J&J shot went up slightly as time went by ‘for some reason or another’. I can throw ‘probably’, ‘for some reason or another’ around with the best of them, can I call myself a scientist too?
It is 100x worse when the so-called experts have been moronically shouting ‘antibodies’ at every point of this mess, particularly when they’ve been only measuring IgG antibodies (that aren’t involved in upper respiratory tract infections).
Suppressing any talk about other aspects of the immune system for 12 months and then when it all falls apart start timidly stating ‘t-cells’ isn’t science.
I’ve no idea how long it will take for the politico-scientists to mention innate immunity (probably never), and I doubt we’ll ever hear them talk of it being damaged.
Definitely never. I’m increasingly getting the feeling they are trying to walk this back.
Omicron – more infectiousness, less deadly, will provide a form of herd immunity leading to live-with endemicity
Flurona – slowly to become just old-fashioned flu, so that when people end up in hospital with a respiratory ailment, if it’s flu no one will be that concerned and no special measures needed.
New PCR test that detects both corona and flu (if I’m not mistaken) backs up the ‘flu makes a comeback’ idea.
Just an annual corona jab, along with your flu jab for the elderly and vulnerable
If antibodies are so very important, why would they never set up large-scale antibody testing?
I think certain key people might have rigged or suppressed the antibody tests early in the pandemic in a couple of ways: 1) By manipulating the “cutoff” values they established for a “positive” assay 2) By creating as many hurdles as possible for people to get antibody tests in the early weeks and months of the pandemic and 3) Discrediting antibody results from non-authorized labs or tests as being likely “false positives.”
Widespread antibody testing in February and March 2020 (which did NOT happen) would have likely proven that this virus was spreading widely throughout the world …. at a time when our trusted public health officials said it was only in China.
IgG antibodies fade to undetectable levels in most people in two or three months. By the time antibody tests were widely administered many of the people who likely had the virus in, say, November 2019 or December 2019 or January 2020, tested “negative” for antibodies.
(Still, enough people in far-flung places did still test positive – and were sick with obvious COVID symptoms in November or December 2019 – to tell me that this virus was spreading widely throughout the world, and especially in America. That is, antibodies do fade in most people in two or three months, but not in ALL people. Enough IgG antibody tests did come back “positive” in April 2020 and May 2020 to provide compelling evidence that this virus was spreading. And these positive results came from multiple countries and U.S. states, which would not have been possible if “spread” was not occurring. That is, the virus was not “isolated.”
100%,yes.
This is the same with all science in that scientists think they know how everything works but they Acrually know very little about a lot of stuff. In my field , GM crops, we are still putting genes into plants using a 35s promoter . This puts a number of copies of the gene of interest in the plant but it may over write other genes and the expression of this gene can be anywhere from nothing to loads.
Just to note that the young Welsh lady who was in the news as unvaccinated and in a coma is yet another actress https://web.archive.org/web/20220105082008/https://www.castingnow.co.uk/ffion-barnett COVID does seem to hit the acting profession exceptionally hard.
It’s funny how all these venerable experts are now coming out with shit or variations of ideas we thought of all by ourselves on an ‘antivaxxer’ site!
Tossers!
It is of course welcome to see some change of tone and an acknowledgement that jabbing the world and their dog and cat is not going to save us from this, for most, 99% survivable virus.
But rushing out an immediate “I’m not an anti-vaxxer” already makes me sceptical. It is a childish term, most definitely intended to lump any person who had any criticism whatsoever of this questionable vaccine, whether legitimate or not, in a category that is meant to be deemed stupid, ignorant, a group to be demeaned, set aside and ignored, treated like dirt with impunity, indeed this treatment is encouraged. I expect an intelligent person wishing to present a fair argument not to start out making it clear they go along with that ‘us – them’ thinking.
I appreciate he believes there is some benefit for people over 50, but his rather nonchalant dismissal of the fact that even people over 50 may not wish to have their innate immunity misaligned is rather astonishing. It may not be what it once was, but those of us who have always had a very fine immune system have no desire to see it potentially ‘misaligned’ to line Big Pharma’s pockets. In addition, it is clear that the effectiveness of the vaxx not only wanes over time, but wanes more quickly with each jab. Who says the people who have received 4 jabs will be able to benefit from any new, perhaps better vaccine? Their immune system may well have been misaligned into oblivion.
The good doctor does not seem to understand that the main reason for poking everything that moved was merely to increase profits – and to be able to introduce the appartheid app and enforce mandates. The discriminatory mandatory boosters being introduced in Greece and Italy for people over a certain age is exactly that – blatantly discriminatory and illegal and must be challenged in court. If not, older people can look forward to being asked for their ID when they wish to buy alcohol or cigarettes just like teenagers – except, being over 50 or 60, they will, for their health, be prohibited from doing so.
To push the mandates, the whole population had to be pushed into the jab. Remove that, then the rest falls apart too, along with a lot of pharmaceutical company profits. The whole vaxx push will prove in time to have been a monumental mistake and failure, which will destroy trust in vaccines in general and the pharmaceutical industry in particular. All because politicians wanted a quick fix and pharma put profit over health.
Innate immunity should be working ‘well enough’ in the majority of those aged 50-65, and probably up to 70 (depending in the individual).
I agree that eventually we’ll see the vax-push as a monumental mistake.
I think we will eventually erect monuments around the country so that we can forevermore be reminded of the price of human folly.
I’m 56. Over the past few years I’ve noticed that getting over a cold takes somewhat longer than before (used to be about 3 days, now about 5), but I have no reason to believe I do not have a still quite robust immune system. That is why I do not wish to put it at risk in this manner, whether or not the risk is minimal. Approx. 200,000 people in my age group were officially diagnosed with corona over the past 2 years in NL, approx. 480 died. Even my poor maths indicates the risk of the virus is low.
They will spend the next decade trying to hide the folly. When it does come out, I hope the mistakes and wrongs are pointed out and warned against as vigorously as the warnings about Nazi Germany and WWII was prior to 2000.
“Approx. 200,000 people in my age group were officially diagnosed with corona over the past 2 years in NL, approx. 480 died. “
You are right. Your calculations are based on the “official” “case” numbers. The real number of people who have been infected would be 3 to 7X more? Of the death number – 480 – you could cut that in half if we are just counting people who died “from” COVID.
So the Infection Fatality Rate for your age group might be 800,000 cases and 240 deaths …. over TWO years (not 12 months).
At 84 years of age, my ‘innate’ immune system seems to working quite well, thank you very much! I can’t remember ever having had a cold or flu in the last 70 plus years at least, but in the past six months on five occasions something has challenged it, with symptoms just like those of a mild cold – sniffles and a sudden rise in temperature. A few hours later, entirely back to normal.
I don’t do ‘testing, and no, I’m not ‘fully vaxxed’, just one AZ injection, no adverse effects (so far, anyway!) But I’ve been on high dose vitamin D from the start. As a professional sceptic and biological scientist I immediately did my own research when this predictable ‘Public Health’ fiasco started to roll. For several months I’ve been on prophylactic IVM too, thanks to those friendly official suppliers in India
Now the lunatics at NHS wail about staff absences – so why the Hell aren’t their staff being allowed to take protective actions that have been available from the start? Off the record, many senior staff have admitted that they are taking D, but keep quiet about it.
The official refusal to even countenance prophylaxis is criminal medical malpractice on a monumental scale. Maybe that charge might start minds to countenance thinking more clearly again?
Personally I think this is all utter crap.
There isn’t really any evidence that the injections have saved anyone. Each variant has apparently become less lethal.
The old and vulnerable have been killed by the injections to some extent, as have perfectly healthy people.
Back to the risk rate please! Look at the countries where the deaths have been questioned and ludicrously small proportion of deaths from covid actually were.
Then there’s the long term risks which quite frankly we don’t have a clue about. There are pointers – listen to Ryan Cole – it might not be that bad but WE DO NOT KNOW.
So if there are a small number of benefits to some people, in my view they are at present overridden by the harms (see Steve Kirsch’s work on it being more harmful – and I do take some of what he says with a pinch of salt) and look at the data from the Pfizer trials, then look at the manipulation as clearly explained in Canadian Care Alliance’s film.
I just don’t buy it, sorry. I remember 2020 before the injections and how many do each of us know who died OF COVID? In my case, two old people with shed loads of co-morbidities. No-one else I know has been hospitalised, and I know plenty who have had Covid or a very similar respiratory disease.
I know PLENTY who have had bad to life-changing side effects from the injections. So what ever is now written in the old or the new media, I have my views. I will wait for further data before I amend these views.
Agreed, I don’t feel like they’ve proved that the vaxx did very much of anything. I don’t know whether it did or not, but I don’t see much in the actual numbers. I’ve looked at the hospital/ICU admissions chart on the Dutch government corona dashboard and fail to see any major difference from March 2020 to now. The ups and downs of the curve are not 100% the same, obviously, but I see little indication that there has been any major reduction in admissions overall, one of the primary claims and the primary reason for lockdown – to not overburden the halth care system.
I don’t know about other countries, but I remember them saying some time in early summer that they kept a lot people out of hospital in NL by treating as many high risk people at home through GPs/nursing assistance and oxygen, steroids and other treatments.
Even if the vaxx did have some benefit, it is clearly temporary and decreasing with each jab – diminishing returns for known side effects that remain the same each time (or possibly greater through an accumulative effect), to say nothing of possible long term effects.
Look at excess deaths in England on the Euromomo.eu website — excess deaths have been running at about 4SD higher than the long term average since summer 2021; around 1/4 of those can be explained by covid deaths…
I believe the numbers are quite similar here. I’m pretty certain that we’ve been looking at excess mortality across a variety of age ranges since at least September. Official covid deaths are usually around 1/3 of the excess. An MP (one with integrity) put a motion to parliament to investigate the excess mortality, it was approved. I would guess a combination of delayed treatment/diagnoses, lockdown-related poor health and vaxx-related issues.
As now former dictator Nursultan Nazarbayev prepares to flee Kazakhstan (if he hasn’t fled already), will his successor Kassym-Jomart Tokayev be receiving advice from Tony Blair too?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/06/how-tony-blair-advised-former-kazakh-ruler-after-2011-uprising
Where will Nazarbayev flee to? At this point I’m kinda doubting that Putin will want him. Qatar or one of the other Gulf states maybe? Or perhaps one of the other four former Soviet Central Asian “stans”, but they may wish to prioritise playing it safe. Might depend on the fuel tank size of whatever plane he can get to fly him.
Good to see him fall.
Another “success for the Bliar.”
The Middle East Peace Envoy thing went pretty well too. . .
Hang on, point of order. I’m not aware of any “clinical trials” that claimed “90% protection against infection” or for that matter any protection against infection. The only claims made were against death and serious illness, they never tested for human transmission. And how could they, without deliberate and controlled attempts to infect?
Note that I distinguish between clinical trials here and later community spread studies.
But if we can’t be precise, what’s the point in having these discussions at all?
For them there is NO point, Rog.
Most of the original clinical trials looked at symptomatic infection only. There was no measure of efficacy against asymptomatic or paucisymptomatic infection. There were secondary outcomes of hospitalisation/death, but they didn’t really get many of these with which to make a decent estimate of efficacy.
The MHRA patient information leaflet for Spikevax states “As with any vaccine, the primary 2-dose vaccination course of Spikevax may not fully protect all those who receive it and it is not known how long you will be protected”. And “The third dose may still not provide full immunity to COVID-19 in people who are immunocompromised”. The MHRA suggestion is that in some or most individuals, the injection gives ‘ full immunity’ to Covid 19.
According to Sucharit Bhakdi, they can’t make you immune (stop replication in upper respiratory tract), as they don’t generate mucosal antibodies (igA?). Also, there’s the small matter of diminished innate & natural immune system, which acts at the point of entry. If he’s right then any apparent ‘immunity’ is a statistical illusion.
It may take some time, but it seems pretty likely to me that future variants of covid will end up being so benign as to be pretty much symptomless for most people. You might “test positive” for the virus, but unless you went looking for it, you wouldn’t know.
Omicron is in the process of driving out Delta infections pretty much everywhere. That’s how most such viruses work. Covid will become endemic. And that’s not really such a terrible thing. Humanity has lived for millennia with endemic respiratory viruses (and a lot worse) without wrapping our faces in useless masks and shutting down society.
The *problem* for us as a society is persuading people to calm the fuck down about covid. Start to tell the media, and the politicians, and anybody else with a whit of power over us, that we just aren’t going to let ginned up fear rule our lives forever.
Two years has been more than enough.
No symptoms. No illness. Dr Mike Yeadon albeit brutally paraphrased.
I have a feeling that we’re already there.
People don’t seem to realise that there is a risk of serious disease (hospitalisation/death) from ordinary colds (of all types, including coronaviruses); I’d suggest that we could well be seeing ‘a countable number’ of hospitalisations/deaths only because we’re looking very hard, coupled with very large case numbers because the pathogen is fairly new to man (or perhaps because of suppressed innate immunity).
Yes. That’s where I get a blank stare – when I point out that a standard way to die is to catch a cold in your 80s, go into hospital and contract pneumonia. People just seem oblivious to that. Don’t they notice what happens to their relatives at all?
The real problem is they aren’t listening, love the power, and have sowed the seeds of totalitarianism. These emergency measures may never be rescinded. They have turned the public into jibbering puppets.
I don’t really see the logic for why Covid should evolve such that it gets weaker over time, except as a result of natural immunity building up.
The story is usually that viruses that are so virulent that they either kill off the host or make them so ill as to take them out of society until they recover cannot spread easily.
But with Covid, it was never dangerous for the majority, who could happily spread the virus across the population, with the virus coming and going in waves until such time all the vulnerable had been killed off.
What’s wrong with being ‘anti-vaxx’ – apart from the social opprobrium, the being treated by the majority (incl., with caveats, David Livermore) as a kind of intellectual leper? I’m just beginning to familiarise myself with what Suzanne Humphries has written in Dissolving Illusions. It’s far from clear that vaccines had anything to do with the elimination of measles and polio.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-vaxxer
Definition of anti-vaxxer
: a person who opposes the use of vaccines or regulations mandating vaccination
I am a proud anti-vaxxer by this definition
Zoe has peaked
first day since Omicron when new daily infections were less than yesterday
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Does the doctor in the poster eat Ready Brek?
I don’t know, but he can eat my shit.
The crappy prophylactic just encourages cv
“Please don’t lump me with the anti-vaxxers as I roll my eyes”
Terrified of being labelled by the propagandists. Not a good look.
Again – where is the real world data showing the vaccine has any benefit in terms of reducing symptoms? Can we just be honest and say the vaccines don’t work and the vaccine programme has failed? Or is The Science now like a medieval Pope who can never be seen to be fallible, even in the throes of insanity?
Current Pope is medieval, we don’t need to go back in time.
The crappy prophylactic encourages cv19 to mutate.
it can reduce hospitalisations especially in the older and most vulnerable.
but it’s by no means a universal everyone should have it.
the idea behind vaccinating everyone is to try and stop cv19 but you need to vaccinate the whole planet within say 3 months preferably while stopping people moving around and before the thing can mutate.
going zero cv19 by vaccine induced immunity is a ship that sailed a long time ago.
you want a denatured real cv19 to vaccinate with rather than that mRNA muck, or a really mild variant to spread.
vaccination is just a short cut to your body producing antibodies so you can fight off future infection. There is little to no chance a man made knock off mRNA vaccine will be as good as immunity after infection from the real thing.
Vaccinations are good. mRNA vaccinations should likely be banned internationally.
Lack of capital letters make this a very difficult read. I appreciate it is trendy but it is also lazy and shows contempt for your readers.
It’s a leaky vaccine, and doesn’t give immunity, so even stabbing everybody on the same day wouldn’t work
Has the CEO of the Indiana based insurance company shot the fox of all those who are still maintaining that the ‘vaccines’ are completely safe?
The 40% increase in deaths of working age Americans, unrelated to Covid, has been noted by actuaries working for every US insurance company.
Any thoughts on why these people might be dying if it isn’t from Covid?
I think the CEO in question insists it must be undiagnosed Covid, so the answer is more vaccination.
This is very worrying. So much so, I’ll just worry about the term ‘anti-vaxxer’ being synonymous with ‘unvaccinated’ for such a free thinking person.
You’ll never be ‘fully vaccinated’, there’s always room for another one
Another welcome article – but he starts by saying late middle age for vaccines and then says anyone over 50???
Whatever age one thinks middle age starts and ends, I remember Sunetra Gupta saying it’s unnecessary to vac a healthy person until mid 50s at least. I can’t square this with what Livermore is saying, not really, since I am 50, nearly 51. And this is no worse than the flu (according to Gupta) now that we have herd immunity (and I’ve had covid anyway).
I think the problem with the article is that its thrust is that vaccinating the young is counter productive. And then going on to say that above that age it’s necessary. When in fact the age of 50 (say 45-60) is probably a middle band, where we want some, but not all, to be vaccinated, and where it’s not counterproductive.
And still the Powers that Be are pushing as hard as they can for vaccination and boosters of the very young. At some point want, say, colleges and sports teams and leagues be facing massive liability?
The old woman looks better educated and more sensible than the doctor in this illustration – but this is now a regular experience.
The doc in the picture appears to have caught a Ready Brek Variant
Does anyone here know whether life insurance is likely to be voided if you develop myocarditis from the voluntary experimental jab?
Asking for a young relative.
Our healthcare system is about to experience a tsunami! Potential side effects of jabs include chronic inflammation, because the vaccine continuously stimulates the immune system to produce antibodies. Other concerns include the possible integration of plasmid DNA into the body’s host genome, resulting in mutations, problems with DNA replication, triggering of autoimmune responses, and activation of cancer-causing genes. Alternative COVID cures EXIST. Ivermectin is one of them. While Ivermectin is very effective curing COVID symptoms, it has also been shown to eliminate certain cancers. Do not get the poison jab. Get your Ivermectin today while you still can! https://ivmpharmacy.com
‘Darkest Africa’, Really! I am as far from ‘woke’ as is possible, but anything with this in it sends me over the edge.
And ‘over 50s’ should get vaxed? Fit, healthy over 50s, over 60s even over 70s are far less likely to suffer problems with a runny nose and sore throat than your overweight 20 yr old.
The rest of this just repeats what we already know.
Yes, I reacted to that too. ‘racist anti-vax professor loses position’ … coming to a headline near you.
I posted this in the general comments, but worth reposting here:
https://www.juliusruechel.com/2022/01/the-false-god-of-central-planning.html
a really deep dive ( and very long) on all things covid, lots of references and right up to date on data….what happened to the flu?
immunity both natural and vax induced, cases and testing (of all kinds).
Worth reading in full as they say
Who’d have thought it eh..
https://freewestmedia.com/2022/01/06/austrian-government-demotes-some-38-million-double-jabbed-to-unvaccinated/
For the vaccine Makers it must be like a lottery win every day
In 2020 a seed was put into many people’s minds that Covid was a bit like polio or small pox. If enough people are vaccinated then the R rate can never get high enough for it to become a serious problem.
I’m not sure why people thought that this was very likely to succeed with a highly infectious air-born virus with a high propensity to mutate (which presumably is not unrelated to it being highly infectious). In retrospect, shouldn’t we always have thought Covid was very much like the flu in this respect?
Maybe we just didn’t know very much about the virus and, at that stage, this was the hope.
Anyway, by the time the vaccines arrived Covid was well and truly entrenched globally, and it was obvious to anybody with a brain that it was never going away.
Still, hope clinged to the idea of being able to supress Covid through the vaccination programme, and presumably also lockdowns (albeit we often heard that vaccinations were ‘our way out of this’). Hence the idea that everybody should be vaccinated (‘we aren’t safe till we are all safe’).
Then, coming up to more recent times, it has become clear that the vaccines don’t significantly reduce transmission or infection, even for the variants for which they were designed, but especially not for new variants.
The very best case the vaccinators can hope for is that by regularly vaccinating the entire population every 6 months (or whatever) a small degree of suppression is achieved.
I find it very hard to believe that the wheels of the bus won’t come off this year. I feel more optimistic about this than I did last year.
“The very best case the vaccinators can hope for is that by regularly vaccinating the entire population every 6 months (or whatever) a small degree of suppression is achieved.”
And an awful lot of deaths.
I do so tire of “I’m only anti THIS vaccine.” Please lump me under anti-vax without qualification.
Yep I’m with you. Anti-vaxx, in fact anti-allopathic medicine for ever more, thanks to the events of the last few years. Fuck the absolute lot of it.
“Please don’t lump me with the anti-vaxxers as I roll my eyes. The present vaccines are invaluable for preventing severe COVID-19 – probably via a T-cell mechanism – in anyone of late middle age or above, or with vulnerabilities.”
How can you warn of catastrophic immune damage in some, but then promote the jab for others? Oh that’s right, because Bossche is a pro-vax shill with ties to the Gates foundation and GAVI.
Yes, well people rolling their eye-balls is humanly, scientifically and medically ignorant – and what got us here.
https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3099/rr-5
The problem with Livermore’s article it is already out of date.Omikron has changed the whole perspective.When a country gets infected with omicron and it takes over everything changes. As the below earlier posted, only elderly over 70 benefit from the third jab with less severe infections .Omikron has also changed the risk benefit from the vaccine completely. If selected vaccination for the previous strains made some sense it is apparent that mass vaccination has made the current vaccine obsolete with even less effect among the ones most in need(and even that changing for omicron with treatment options).Putting Berensons latest with the same thing
This is important new data from Denmark also adjusted for over testing in certain age groups. All vaccines.Even no effect against severe disease except >70 years.Back to square one.Only for elderly the boosters otherwise useless vaccine for omicron.
“Just to make this crystal clear, data just released from Denmark (where 85% of infections are omicron) show no effect of the booster against being infected and no difference between 2 and 3 doses against severe disease except 3 doses better against severe disease for those >70.”
https://twitter.com/TracyBethHoeg/status/1478853178699354112
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/has-covid-vaccine-efficacy-turned
Has the writer of the article just wakened up? There isn’t really anything that hasn’t been known for ages if you read articles other than what’s in the MSM.
Again underestimating the damage these vaccines are doing – especially at the number of doses that are being given. I’ll take the risk of covid any day over the risk of damaging my immune system and the consequences over a lifetime. We are now talking about around 30 days of ‘immunity’ from a booster
and this may well fall with subsequent boosters – this is completely unsustainable and it’s about time that more doctors came out and called it for what it is!
The usual suspects could easily be considered guilty of Actual Bodily Harm (ABH), or worse, if a constructive legal action happens. If you were on the jury, what would your attitude be?
A problem with terminology here – and the MSM.
These are not leaky vaccines, nor is the problem one of variant escape.
It is simply a case of – Vaccine Failure.
But that would not sit very well with the psych ops -might convey the wrong message to the sheep.
And even that ignores the fact that we’re talking of a failure of gene therapy.
Why quote clinical trials which, after all, are run by (for the benefit of) BigPharma? The lack of animal trials makes the vaccines essentially illegal.
Suppression of early identified treatments was a criminal action …. it has led to thousands of unnecessary deaths.
If you’re under 80 and in good health you are not at high risk from the original virus, let alone Omicron. They should only jab those who really at at risk.
And, where are the random control trials showing the supposed effectiveness of the “vaccines” in the real world? . I don’t believe a word of it. My stepdad died 2 weeks after the double trouble of a flu + covid vaccine.
Stop the vaxxes immediately. Omicron has brought an end to the pandemic. It is endemic like the four other coronaviruses we live with. Let people get back to their lives, remove all mandates, protect the vulnerable. Stop mass testing asymptomatic kids or adults. Let’s approach this scientifically rather than politically.
“by using leaky vaccines, we are conducting a huge Darwinian experiment, with ourselves as guinea pigs” sums it up beautifully. I for one however will not be a guinea pig.
But but but Kate Andrews Spectator piece linked to in the header says “The government is rightfully pushing its booster programme as the response to Omicron, and it is estimated to cut risk of hospitalisation by 88 per cent.” Which is why I cancelled my Spectator subscription. No mention of side effects in that piece either.
It’s not about what they say it’s about. And this isn’t about stopping a viral disease.
Watch Mike Y on Bitchute, 6 January.
“Geert vanden Bossche was right to fear that leaky vaccines would deliver a brief adaptive protection against infection but simultaneously impair innate immunity, causing a protracted reduction in non-specific protection once the initial protection wore off.”
How does Prof Livermore consider that to be acceptable for the more elderly?
If true then it is a disaster for anyone who has the jab and being non sterilising, cause more harmful variants to appear.
If you add all the additional side effects from these experimental injections, it seems clear to me that they should be stopped for an independent review now.
As usual the early treatment stars, HCQ and Ivermectin, have been conveniently forgotten.
Way safer than these jabs.
Please don’t reply that there is not enough evidence yet. I have been following their criminal suppression for 18 months.