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Indian Researchers Find that Natural Immunity Protects Better Against Infection than the AstraZeneca Vaccine

by Noah Carl
28 December 2021 7:49 AM

I’ve already covered three studies that found natural immunity protects better against infection than the vaccines. These comprise two from Israel, and one from Denmark. In each case, individuals who’d already had Covid were much less likely to become infected than those who’d been vaccinated.

Now a fourth study has come to my attention; this time from India. (The study was published as a preprint back in August.)

Malathi Murugesan and colleagues monitored infections in a cohort of healthcare workers between April and June of this year, during the country’s second wave. They compared four groups, corresponding to the different combinations of previously infected or not, and vaccinated or not.

Note: the vast majority of participants had received the AstraZeneca vaccine. This is in contrast to the Israeli and Danish studies, where most individuals had received another vaccine (mainly Pfizer).

Among those who hadn’t been previously infected or vaccinated, the cumulative infection rate was 14.9%. It was slightly lower among those’d been vaccinated but not previously infected, namely 11.1%. And it was dramatically lower among those who’d been previously infected: 2.1% among those who hadn’t been vaccinated, and 1.4% among those who had.

To check these results were robust, the authors ran a statistical model controlling for age, sex, type of work, and the daily incidence of Covid in the surrounding area (the city of Vellore in Southern India).

They estimated the protective effect of natural immunity to be 86% (which is consistent with a recent systematic review). By contrast, vaccine effectiveness was only 32%. As expected, the protective effect of hybrid immunity was 91% – slightly better than that of natural immunity alone.

There are now four separate studies all showing the same thing: several months after the corresponding event, natural immunity provides substantially better protection against infection than the vaccines.

“Vaccination efforts,” the Indian researchers note, “should be optimised by directing vaccination towards the areas where individuals are non-immune.” In other words, there was no need to vaccinate healthy people who’d already had Covid; those vaccines should have gone to the clinically vulnerable in poor countries.

Tags: IndiaNatural immunityVaccines

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transmissionofflame
transmissionofflame
2 years ago

He came in for a lot of stick when he announced he’d been vaxxed in order to travel – another admission of defeat, in my view brought on by covid being the umpteenth thing he’d been a lone voice on. Some of the stick was justified but most wasn’t, IMO. He remains a powerful ally who called covid right from the start and worked hard to get his views across, and has called many other things right over the years.

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RDawg
RDawg
2 years ago
Reply to  transmissionofflame

The frustration for me wasn’t so much that he took the V, but it was the defeatist tone of his article. He openly said “We’ve lost” and absolutely destroyed people’s morale and momentum in keeping up the fight.

He was seen as the de facto mainstream voice of criticising the Covid narrative. Yet he capitulated and wrote a throughly demoralising article, which I was very disappointed to read.

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transmissionofflame
transmissionofflame
2 years ago
Reply to  RDawg

Of course it was disappointing but if it destroyed people’s morale and momentum then I’d say those people invested too much in him. Of course we want as many people on our side as possible, and we are sad when others flag and falter, but honestly the vitriolic attacks on him just seemed childish to me, as if people were expecting him to be some kind of saviour. Put yourself in his shoes – he has spent a large part of recent decades supporting unpopular positions from within the mainstream, and getting pilloried for it. Covid comes along, which he calls correctly, and he sees it as the fight of his life, and the reaction from the general population is almost non existent. And let’s face it, we did lose many battles and to an extent we’re still losing the war. They are still vaxxing people, still lying and getting away with it, people still think the lockdowns were an understandable reaction, that the vaccines saved us. Not a single reform has been put in place to stop this happening again, and almost none of the guilty have been punished or even recognised their guilt.

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RDawg
RDawg
2 years ago
Reply to  transmissionofflame

Crikey! When you put it like that…☹️

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transmissionofflame
transmissionofflame
2 years ago
Reply to  RDawg

I am less pessimistic than I was. I expected worse. It’s possible that the narrative will unravel significantly in my lifetime. But far from certain.

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RW
RW
2 years ago

Fighting two world wars with borrowed American money has turned Great Britain from the world’s foremost power into something like a global doormat. On balance, this has accomplished the destruction of the Germany monarchy, large-scale depopulation and devastation of eastern central Europe and 70 years of a Russian, panislawist and nominally communist empire in the same location (and an originally French but later American hegemony in Europe west of Russia).

Plus, at least the second of this wars, including all of its side effects, had been entirely avoidable by acting more prudent and more in line with European traditions (ie, a negotiated instead of a dictated peace) wrt to the first. That could have ended in 1916 or 1917. Even the 1918 outcome could have been less worse (a negotiated peace had been possible since late summer 1918) and even the actual outcome could have been salvaged by acting less inanely wrt how to recover the enormous cost.

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DonkeyKongPingPong
DonkeyKongPingPong
2 years ago

What an excellent article. Thank you.

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JayBee
JayBee
2 years ago

https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/hitchens-on-the-death-of-all-we-hold-dear/
“Today, the Conservative Party is, in his words, ‘a device for seeking out men and women without any trace of conservative desires or tastes, making them into MPs and ordering them to shout at Sir Keir Starmer every Wednesday at noon’.”

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VWTS
VWTS
2 years ago

Good profile of the one contemporary journalist/commentator whose stuff I consider unmissable.

I disagree with this though: “Anyone who argues that the First World War and Second World War were mistakes has to be something of an imperialist.”

Britain’s participation in the Great War was catastrophic for its destruction of the flower of British manhood (as Hitchens has put it) in the first place, and its destruction of the country’s considerable accumulated wealth, and the independence of action that afforded, in the second place. The lighting of the touch-paper on the empire is well down the list for many people. I would gladly have traded the empire in its entirety for iron-clad British neutrality in 1914. Instead we lost the empire anyway, and a great deal besides.

Another point on Peter Hitchens: he is understandably pigeonholed as a misery-guts, but, like Orwell, he also writes beautifully on all kinds of everyday topics. His columns in The Lamp magazine are always a treat.

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transmissionofflame
transmissionofflame
2 years ago
Reply to  VWTS

Misery guts. Indeed a bit like Philip Larkin he’s considered as such but like Larkin he clearly loves life and has many deep passions. But also like Larkin he can’t unsee what he has seen.

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NickR
NickR
2 years ago

The Irreverend Pod interview is well worth a listen, though, as you rightly imply, Hitches just ploughed on answering his own questions & rather swatting away the 3 good vicars.
If you’re interested in this sort of thing can i recommend another Irreverend podcast of a few weeks ago with Yoram Hazony. I thought his analysis of what constituted conservatism & liberalism was fascinating.

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alanbaird10
alanbaird10
2 years ago

Wish I was bright enough to understand this article.

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Judy Watson
Judy Watson
2 years ago
Reply to  alanbaird10

You are not alone.

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Corky Ringspot
Corky Ringspot
2 years ago
Reply to  alanbaird10

I’m sure you’re “bright” enough! Besides, understanding this article is not really so much a question of being bright (although that helps, lol) – as simply being well informed. Articles like this are littered with highbrow allusions, which, with a bit of research, make sense after a while! His arguments become much clearer once his allusions are understood. Trouble is, most of us don’t have the time to do all the reading around the subject. (The article itself is also confusingly phrased here and there, in language I’d be inclined to edit slightly. Occasional lack of clarity doesn’t help with comprehension!)

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True Spirit of America Party
True Spirit of America Party
2 years ago

I wonder how his brother Christopher Hitchens would have dealt with Covid? Would he have almost reflexively taken the opposite stance that Peter did? Or would it have been one of the very few times they agreed on anything?

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Kone Wone
Kone Wone
2 years ago
Reply to  True Spirit of America Party

I would like to think that it would have been the latter; both men worth listening carefully to.

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Pilla
Pilla
2 years ago

This was an extremely interesting article. I haven’t always followed Peter Hitchens (I don’t know how so many people manage to read everything – I really struggle to keep up), but I completely see him as a hero. Like him, I too am aiming for the city of God and am thus a pilgrim in this world which is not my home. Thank God for this brave man! Would that there were more like him.

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Kornea112
Kornea112
2 years ago

What an impressive array of ideas and prose all mustered logically to try and stuff Mr. Hitchens safely in a pigeonhole. Not so easily done as can be seen. My impression of Hitchens is someone who values open minded debate, which he defends at every opportunity. All beliefs are debatable.

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Corky Ringspot
Corky Ringspot
2 years ago

“It is the major way of making sense of foreign involvements.”
“It is also the major way of making sense of domestic politics.”

Bit puzzled – what is meant by “major” in these sentences?

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Corky Ringspot
Corky Ringspot
2 years ago

“Hence the interest Hitchens has always had in the policeman” – A bit more than an interest, surely; his ‘Abolition of Liberty’ is an exploration of what’s wrong with the modern world. And it’s the disappearance of respect for authority. I don’t disagree with anything Dr Alexander says in his essay, but there’s a slightly dismissive tone about it, don’t you think? Something purely linguistic perhaps.

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Corky Ringspot
Corky Ringspot
2 years ago

“7. The rest of the model includes 19th Century meritocracy, and hence 19th Century education, with an emphasis on ultimate or original equality or opportunity, but also interested in fostering the right sort of elites by filtering them out through a modest but forceful higher education system; then moving them around on the right sort of transport; entertaining them with the right sort of entertainment, etc.”

Not a clue what the good Doctor is talking about here. Anyone care to enlighten me?

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Corky Ringspot
Corky Ringspot
2 years ago

“The Dreadnought is not made for conversation: Hitchens’s arguments, when one knows them, come along the road like Soviet parades of tanks and ballistic missiles.”

Dr Alexander is right, but only to a point, surely; discussing, debating, arguing with P Hitchens must be hard going, to be sure – and yes, he’s very prepared; but that surely doesn’t mean he won’t/can’t do those things – discuss, debate etc. You just have to be as prepared as he is! In the end, it’s not his preparation that comes along the road like Soviet etc – it’s his intelligence!

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Corky Ringspot
Corky Ringspot
2 years ago

“The falling away from Christianity is decisive for Hitchens; and has some relation to, and is dimly to be discerned behind, his far more pointillistically detailed paintings of our falling away from the old worthy secular Britain or England into our current tinselly despond.”

Great sentence, but could the Doctor explain what he means by “pointillistically” here? I mean, I know what ‘pointillisme’ is, but does he just mean ‘very detailed paintings’? Is “pointillistically” a bit of a pleonasm? Very picturesque but does it contribute much – or am I missing something important? (I’m picking on details here, by the way; am enjoying and agreeing with just about all of it…)

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Corky Ringspot
Corky Ringspot
2 years ago

Great essay, much enjoyed.

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Corky Ringspot
Corky Ringspot
2 years ago

Sorry, thought I’d finished…
“There is also a habit of mentioning his own early Trotskyism as if this gives him an unfailing antidote against the nonsense of everything since. Not so: some of us have never been attracted to machine age revolutionary politics – and Augustine, say, gives one everything one might not already have taken from, say, Plato or Aristotle.”

Not the most accessible of pieces, Dr Alexander!
In my reading of Hitchens, he evokes his Trot past as a way of demonstrating how far it’s possible to travel from the distortions of full-on (youthful) leftism to the common sense of mature (grown-up) conservatism. Does he refer to that part of his past very often? I honestly can recall – but Dr Alexander is right in saying, or implying, that it’s all very well to point to one’s own journey from the nuttiness to lucidity, but some of us have been nutty in the first place. Or is there a reading of the quote above that I can’t see?

The allusions to Augustine, Plato and Aristotle are even more challenging – but then, well, I’m not all that clever. Are you saying, Dr A, that if one hasn’t grasped the message of Plato and/or Aristotle, there’s always Augustine, nearly a millennium later, to reinforce it? I’m going round and round in circles trying to puzzle out your meaning here; could you explain the metaphor? Seriously, I’d really appreciate it (illman.clive@gmail.com)
Thanks.

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