An article appeared in the Guardian this week written by an anonymous NHS respiratory consultant claiming that “in hospital, COVID-19 has largely become a disease of the unvaccinated”.
Of course, there are people who have their vaccinations but still get sick. These people may be elderly or frail, or have underlying health problems. Those with illnesses affecting the immune system, particularly patients who have had chemotherapy for blood cancers, are especially vulnerable. Some unlucky healthy people will also end up on our general wards with Covid after being vaccinated, usually needing a modest amount of oxygen for a few days.
But the story is different on our intensive care unit. Here, the patient population consists of a few vulnerable people with severe underlying health problems and a majority of fit, healthy, younger people unvaccinated by choice. … If everyone got vaccinated, hospitals would be under much less pressure; this is beyond debate. Your wait for your clinic appointment/operation/diagnostic test/A&E department would be shorter. Your ambulance would arrive sooner. Reports of the pressure on the NHS are not exaggerated, I promise you. … Most of the resources that we are devoting to Covid in hospital are now being spent on the unvaccinated.
This reads to me like a blatant attempt to stigmatise the unvaccinated as selfish, a burden on society and a threat to the vaccinated. (The clue is in the headline: “ICU is full of the unvaccinated – my patience with them is wearing thin.”) Given the polling (which may not be very reliable of course) showing that 45% of U.K. adults would support an indefinite lockdown of the unvaccinated, this is all starting to look and sound rather ugly.
The most frustrating thing about this anonymously written article is it doesn’t cite any data even though its arguments are based on claims which only data can validate. It consists instead only of a single medic’s subjective impressions, with no sources provided to see if his claims holds water.
Are the hospitalised mostly unvaccinated? Not according to Government data from the UKHSA. Here is the breakdown of hospitalisations by vaccination status in England for the four weeks up to November 14th from the latest Vaccine Surveillance report.
Adding these figures up we find that 3,200 of 9,831 or 33% of Covid hospitalisations are of unvaccinated people, leaving 67% of Covid hospital patients in the vaccinated category, most of them with two doses. Focusing just on adults, we find 2,692 of 9,278 or 29% of Covid hospitalisations are unvaccinated, leaving 71% vaccinated. Seeing as just 68% of the U.K. population is double vaccinated, 67% of Covid hospital patients having received at least one dose hardly seems like a strong result. Indeed, it suggests the unvaccinated are barely over-represented in hospitals at all.
What about Covid deaths – are the unvaccinated over-represented there? Here’s the table from the same report.
Adding them up we find that 675 of 3,676 or 18% of Covid deaths in the month up to November 14th are in unvaccinated people, leaving 82% in the vaccinated, most with two doses. Only in the under-40s do deaths in the unvaccinated outnumber those in the vaccinated.
It’s hard to square this data with the picture painted by the anonymous medic. Far from COVID-19 having “largely become a disease of the unvaccinated”, with most Covid hospital resources “now being spent on the unvaccinated”, a large majority of hospitalisations and deaths are occurring in the vaccinated, not the unvaccinated.
But what about ICU admissions? And is it true that the vaccinated-sick all have underlying health issues whereas the unvaccinated-sick are all healthy?
The problem with addressing these claims is that we don’t have the data to check them out. The data on ICU admissions by vaccination status has not been updated since July as far as I can see (if you are aware of a more recent update do let me know), and I am not aware of any data on co-morbidities (again, if you are aware of any please drop me a line).
The anonymous writer states: “I can’t think of a single case offhand of a person who was previously fit and healthy who has ended up needing intensive care after being fully vaccinated. It may not stop you from catching Covid. But it can save your life when you do.” But again, this is anecdotal and therefore not terribly helpful.
It’s fair to note that much data does appear to show that the vaccines protect people well against severe disease and death, at least for several months, though some recent analysis has questioned whether such efficacy has been overestimated.
But however well the vaccines protect against severe disease, that is no excuse for turning the unvaccinated into pariahs or scapegoats and blaming them for the strains on the health service. Such moralised blaming of a minority for supposedly disadvantaging the majority (‘Can’t get a doctor’s appointment? Surgery been cancelled again? The unvaccinated are to blame!’) has a very ugly history and rarely ends well. It’s particularly odd to see this scapegoating in a supposedly liberal newspaper. It needs to stop now.
Stop Press: Jamie Jenkins, known as @statsjamie on Twitter, has done a fact check on this article and come to broadly the same conclusion.
Guardian article not supported by national data
— Jamie Jenkins (@statsjamie) November 21, 2021Most admissions among vaccinated
This not surprising as most of the population is vaccinated
Unvaccinated more likely to be admitted but population much lower
Story seems outlier if true.https://t.co/e1XyfeBkaK
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In Soviet Russia what used be called Tractor Stats that were used to give the impression that a particular operation was going according to The Plan.
Sometimes outright lies as when the Volga Peoples Tracto Co-operative was making the stipulated number of tractors as evidenced by vast numbers of them ploughing into the distant horizon.
Then yet more come into view but they were just the first lot making a second or third appearance for the camera.
Not always complete lies, the Vorshnia Galoshes plant migh indeed have produced 2 million shoe coverings but they woul be for the left foot only.
Q). What’s the difference between a “conspiracy theory” and the nightly BBC news?
A). About three months
And watch now how a Canadian official blatantly gaslights a genuine valid question about IVM and SARS Cov2 virus suppression, his body language tells you all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wckMULt01EE
This was never…ever about you or your loved ones health and well-being. CJs latest NEW NORMAL take-down is once more a master-class analyses of where we be:
https://consentfactory.org/2021/11/22/pathologized-totalitarianism-101/
My worry is this instability and societal breakdown being GloboCap driven, well we all know what happened in Europe during the zeig heil heyday 1930s.
IMO the unspoken danger is the reams of young people whose futures have been totally destroyed by decades of failed education and tens of trillions in student loan bondage, topped-off by the millions of exported jobs.
The result? A supermajority of the 99% kids have low wage non-jobs even if equipped with a PhD, no long-term life partner or next gen family underway…i.e no emotionally fulfilling future. Hence no stake in the prevailing status quo or reason to defend it.
What of the useless eater elderly? They are being eviscerated by experimental gene therapies and a failed NHS system… how does that work out folks?
Then we look to Australia’s latest NEW NORMAL tactic:
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/australian-army-begins-transferring-covid-positive-cases-contacts-quarantine-camps
And as we know the 30% or so resistant UK non-vaxxed will be managed here in England sooner, rather than later… coincidentally the latest UK containment facility is right next to a crematorium
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/HMP+Five+Wells/@52.2818291,-0.6963802,15.14z/data=!4m9!1m2!2m1!1sWellingborough+prison!3m5!1s0x4877a13cb5f7d773:0x9eb3b55e8777169e!8m2!3d52.2850641!4d-0.6928011!15sChVXZWxsaW5nYm9yb3VnaCBwcmlzb26SAQZwcmlzb24
How convenient.
Be seeing you
That ‘Canadian official’ blatantly ignored the question of Ivermectin and went straight back to ‘vaccines’. Why can’t these greaseballs answer a direct question directly?? What are they afraid of?
Why would anyone believe what is published in the Guardian, especially when it is anonymous, so probably just made up by a staff writer?
That rag, and the Independent with its claim that Kyle Rittenhouse had shot three black people, demonstrate the depths of lying of the media every day.
Every thing you say is just so correct, I can’t be bothered to read in full.
If you were considering reading the Daily Mail instead, you’d get the same underlying message:
Deadly cost of unjabbed
Around 10,000 more people than normal have died in the past four months from non-Covid conditions like heart disease as their treatment was postponed. Why? Because NHS wards are now full of selfish, deluded, unvaccinated patients who caught Covid.
Have these bed-blockers no shame?
They’ve caused unimaginable suffering to the families of those who did the right thing yet were put at the back of the queue for emergency treatment. A plague on all these selfish idiots.
This is from Platell’s People on Sunday, so the opposite demographic to the Guardian! But it looks like a concerted effort on all sides to make the unjabbed into the scapegoats for growing NHS backlogs and missed diagnoses, rather than lockdowns.
The funny thing is, NHS wards are full, but they’re certainly not full of covid patients.
Why are the wards so full even before flu season starts? Is it because the vaccinations have increased the rate of non-covid conditions? Ie, have around 10,000 more people than normal died because of the selfish non-vulnerable people that clamoured for the vaccines last spring, who are now suffering side effects?
I was overnight in an acute ward 3 weeks ago, I almost had to beg to be allowed home the next afternoon because my final scan was not scheduled until late the following morning.
You might have thought they would be keen to get another empty bed if they are so full.
I can report truthfully second hand that in former ‘hotspot’ Bradford Royal Infirmary there are currently zero patients on the covid ward.
That reads more like the dislocated tripe that finds itself as ‘least liked’ in the readers comments.
It seems unlikely that Platel will have endeard theyself to theys readers.
So Amanda Platell wants to invoke a “plague” on us now, does she? We cause unimaginable suffering to families of those who “do the right thing”, do we? We don’t clap hard enough on our doorsteps for the government. We probably won’t even wear black armbands when the monarch snuffs it. How can we expect to be helped to survive when our very being is full of such shame?
Ah but, but can’t we take a joke, she was only being ironic, and so on.
She appears to be completely and utterly unaware that the NHS essentially closed down for 12 months.
That’s just Amanda in full on Glenda Slagg mode.
She could reverse ferret in the same style next week.
To be fair to the Graun that article is a better attempt to produce news than the Daily Express showing in the first item of todays Roundup
It consists entirely of a staffer quoting their own readers comments on another Covid article. Those comments could, of course, have been entirely fabricated.
One of my vaxxed “friends” sent me the Guardian piece yesterday with an I told you so note. I replied:-
I see that the article appears to emanate from the Bill Gates funded Guardian, so probably dodgy, but let’s pass on that for now.
The doctor is generally pushing the official narrative, but nevertheless still can’t give us his/her name and the locations where he/she works. Why?
This doctor tells us that the vaccines work, while UKHSA figures says something very different, as I reported last week. And their effectiveness, which is now generally substantially negative is still in free fall. Of course, this points to the vaccinated being more liable to infection than are the unvaccinated.
The doctor also says that there are nurses on Covid wards who haven’t been vaccinated, now what do they know that is holding them back?
Those that want to dig a little deeper could peruse the link below. It is a long but readable article and is based on official UK statistics, with just a little speculation thrown in as to what the situation will be by the end of this year. It may not be overly suitable for those who are jabbed and tend towards a nervous disposition.
One thing is clear though, the anonymous doctor must work at hospitals where the hospitalisations and deaths are way out of line with official figures for the UK as a whole. Strange that.
https://dailyexpose.uk/2021/11/16/are-the-fully-vaccinated-developing-covid-19-vaccine-induced-acquired-immunodeficiency-syndrome/
It’s worth noting that 95% of all-cause fatalities are of double jabbed individuals. The idea that the ICUs are stuffed full of the 5% of people unvaccinated who are at deaths door doesn’t seem right.
In each age range the deaths & hospitalisation are largely in line with vaccine rates. Take away the PCR testing & it would be hard to discern any improvement as a consequence of vaccinating half the world’s popuation.
Thank you.
This also talks of the potential for destruction of the vaccinated’s immune system, and also just 4 of the ~20 mechanisms by which Ivermectin works… https://climateofsophistry.com/2021/09/24/thermodynamics-101-socrates-debunks-climate-alarm-science/#comment-95114
“Acquired immunodeficiency syndrome is a condition that is thought to be caused solely by the alleged HIV virus, and it leads to the loss of immune cells and leaves individuals susceptible to other infections and the development of certain types of cancers. In other words, it completely decimates the immune system.
Therefore, could we be seeing some new form of Covid-19 vaccine induced acquired immunodeficiency syndrome?”
I could be wrong, but isn’t this just the ‘gain of function’ work that was being done in the lab from which the ‘virus’ purportedly escaped from? and if so then should what is playing out not have been expected from the jabbing programme?
True – never ending litany of agenda driven drivel. “Never let the facts get in the …..
you know it’s bullshit when they start trying to claim the people it doesn’t affect are the ones in hospital.
You know its bullshit when the stories always highlight the ones they’re trying to vaccinate next.
Eg, at the moment they’re trying to encourage boosters, so there are lots of stories about double jabbed people dying before they could get their booster.
Hahaha exactly! Like few months ago when a lot of pregnant women were suddenly in hospitals. Just when their age group were up for vaccination.
An article last week on the BBC News site, Why the NHS is struggling like never before has a chart showing that (in their words) “Covid is now only a small part of NHS pressure”. The chart shows that about 90% of patients are non-Covid. Of the remainder, almost half are empty beds. Quoting the article, “With support and care disrupted and Covid making people more isolated and less active, their health has suffered. According to those working in the NHS, they are now turning up to hospital in ever greater numbers. And it is this as much as Covid that is driving the rise in demand on the NHS”.
Maybe the jabs have something to do with it as well…
I would rather suspect that the jabs are the main driver, so the BBC are still playing a dirty game.
Aside, it’s quite astonishing that Nick Triggle has managed to cling on for so long while producing so many balanced, reasonable and truthful articles at Al Beeb.
He even cited an (actual, named) medic saying “We’re just going to have to accept now that we’re all going to catch COVID, multiple times, and live with it.”
I hope his contract is iron clad.
With improved immunity after each time they heroically survive this glorified flu?
Higher and higher chance of it being asymptomatic.
OMG people will take lemsip for COVID and flu.
I know a double jabbed woman who just can’t shake off her “worst cold ever” She has been living on Lemsip for the past four weeks. God help her liver.
AZ double jabbed?
It does seem to ruin the immune system…
Maybe that’s the reason for lockdowns, to hide the damage!
We’re are coming into Winter, the temperature is brisk 2°C. More people are turning up at hospital because they can’t see their GP.
What’s the news?
Thanks so much for linking this article. The wall of unwavering belief that the hospitals are packed with healthy young and irresponsible people dying from covid is incredibly hard to break down. People are so invested in their vacsine-based world view.
I thought it worth copying the BBC chart here because it’s so revealing. You do have to wonder how many of the Non-Covids are vaccine complications.
The Grauniad has been wrong about everything all the time, now it lies about everything all the time.
It believes its left-wing ideology is some kind of utopia, thinks people should welcome it with open arms, but can’t understand why they don’t.
The Guardian has become the official mouthpiece of Big Pharma. They continue to distort information about the “horse drug” ivermectin and its effectiveness.
Also is the treatment regime the same for all patients, vaccinated or not? Are emergency use experimental medicines being used like something called Regen Cov? I saw Tony Blair Institute was advocating using trial drugs without asking for consent from the patient cto speed up the process.
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-02-09-common-asthma-treatment-reduces-need-hospitalisation-covid-19-patients-study
The Most effective treatments seems to be the cheapest.
When I first developed sciatica I was initially prescribed a low dose proprietary pain killer while wating for actual treatment (ie charged to the NHS by Big Pharma).
It wasn’t very effective so I tried Boots and Lloyd’s own brand Ibuprofen in the shiny gold and green metallic packaging which cost a bit wasn’t any better.
A friend suggested I try Co-Op own brand paracetamol, 50p for loads.
They were very effective and kept me comfortable, when needed, for about 10 years. My GP explained that they didn’t really know about pain but in many instances it’s trial and error or each to his own.
Hi karenvirus,
Without wishing to take the thread off topic – I too suffer from sciatica – it’s a pain! Can’t believe you’ve put up with it for 10 years – is the Co-Op’s own brand paracetamol the only thing you’ve found that helps?
My sciatic nerve became trapped in my lower vertebrae which collapsed earlier this year the pain was awful, Doc gave me all sorts of really srong meds, prior to my having a steroid injection there which sorted it. However the only thing that really helped was when the pain was really bad 2 paracetamol and 2 ibuprofen 2 hours apart the combination worked for me. take 2 paracetamol, give it 2 hours then take 2 ibuprofen then 2 hours later or longer if you can hold out paracetamol wait at least 2 hours then ibuprofen.
Hope it helps I have never had pain like it,
Take the paracetamol and ibuprofen together. One effect of paracetamol is that it enhances other painkillers.
Cocodamol…… 2 x 500mg dose…. twice a day?
You won’t feel much after a couple of days….worked for me with severe low back pain a couple of yers ago. Stretching and yoga afterwards when all calmed down…Red Wine if all else fails, but not conjointly (haha)
Not really off topic timsk since its about self sufficiency and not having the NHS dictating what’s what.
While waiting for the NHS to spring into action, on the advice of another friend, I attended a local chiropractor for exercises to reduce pain. Bargain at £30.00 a pop.
The chiropractor hinted that I should not tell the NHS about using her services in case some collectivist loon decided I was paying to get to the front of the queue and inconvenience me to satisfy their political view.
The pain settled down to the degree that it was not really affecting my late middle aged lifestyle so when they phoned out of the blue telling me to come in for my first injection (cortisone needle in the spine) without discussing any alternatives I politely declined.
The Co-op own brand took me through the initial crisis but I’ve not needed pain relief specifically for sciatica for several years although it is starting to rear its head again. Now I regard those several years as a bonus and might reconsider the cortisone choice again.
I would not necessarily act on my recommendation of Co-op paracetamol because as I mentioned, my GP said its partly each to their own when it comes to pain relief.
Prescription only Oramorph (for something else) is fast acting and effective but has unpleasant side effects and is highly addictive (in my case) used for emergency only.
Oramorph = liquid morphine but I’ve only had access to it since March of this year.
Ibuprofen gel, applied externally is pretty good but can be a bit messy
For sciatica I’d also suggest Yoga.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opGrW5mglKI
Pregabalin works well for me. It specifically intercepts the pain signals (the GABA receptors) – I have been using it for severe sciatica for years. It is of course prescription only:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pregabalin
Thanks for that, I’ll be emailing my GP about something else later and will mention it.
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fcell.2020.613006/full
Quercetin Suppresses Apoptosis and Attenuates Intervertebral Disc Degeneration via the SIRT1-Autophagy Pathway
It’s true. Not all pain killers are made the same. When I was first diagnosed with RA I was prescribed paracetamol to keep the pain at bay. That prescription stopped some years ago and I had to buy my own but none of the OC paracetamol worked anything like the prescribed ones! Maybe it was psychosomatic but I’ve tried many. Co-Op brand are actually pretty good.
Yes.
Ibuprofen never worked for me and now I have been advised against it because of ticker issues. Not that I would use something that doesn’t work
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To cap that, I was in Boots just a few years ago looking at their own paracetamol (16 tablets) at 48p compared with branded packs at many times more. I then spotted Boots’ Essentials pack at 16p (still 16 tablets). The pharmacist was close by and I asked what the difference was. She responded with a resounding, “Absolutely nothing.” The whole business of drug sales is rotten to the core!
“this is all starting to look and sound rather ugly”
It’s been ugly from the start. I hope the DS realises now that we are engaged in a vicious war and that our enemies are powerful and wicked.
They would say that wouldn’t they because we know who’s keeping them afloat…
Committed Grants | Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation – Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation
I’m off topic but I started musing on when June Raine became CEO of the MRHA as she strikes me as a bit of a patsy (sorry June). Lo and behold, she was elevated to the post of interim CEO in September 2019, about a month before event 201 and the guy standing down was given an OBE and a job with Bill and Melinda.
It must now be clear to anyone that there is an agenda being forced here and the MSM are entirely complicit in it. A few token pieces aside, they are pushing the narrative without recourse to fact checking or critical analysis.
We keep assuming that this is all an overreaction, a panic, a mass delusion that will pass. It is time to start thinking the unthinkable – look at Australia and NZ, look at Austria and Germany.
We think it couldn’t possibly happen here, but it will if people do not wake up and stop being complacent. But it needs to be a mass movement and I see very few signs of that happening unfortunately.
I assume & always have, that this is a criminal conspiracy, I don’t much care by who or why, it just needs to be stopped before it’s gone too far.
And now they really are taking people ‘to the camps’. As predicted. It’s for “their own good” of course.
I can’t think of a better deterrent against getting a covid test.
Well, one. Being executed.
After execution, the biggest deterrent against testing is imprisonment, I would say
It went too far in April 2020. The subsequent descent into Hell was inevitable (and widely predicted by so-called ‘conspiracy theorists’).
£200MM in ad revenue from the Uniparty tends to have that effect.
Bingo. There is a revolving door between Fleet and Downing Streets.
“But it needs to be a mass movement and I see very few signs of that happening unfortunately.”
What about the protests? Don’t forget ‘lawyers’ are coming to save us and all the evil ones will be on trial at the Nuremburg 2 court sessions, the lid has been blown off (many times) and the house of cards is collapsing…
There is hope!
People versed in ‘Common Law’ will be rounding up all the Guardian journalists and closing their offices and operation for good.
“Restoring the Law with peace and honour · Guardians 300 · OUR MISSION · Train and prepare people who want to apply common law throughout the world as a common law ..”
https://guardians300.com/
The only way this will be stopped is violence. Everyone shies away from that, but anyone who has studied history knows it is true. Legal approaches are nonsense, not least because every human rights NGO is soros-funded and is on board with the conspiracy.
Sad but true. But don’t forget our friends at the Rockerfeller Foundation – distorting science and populating the Establishment for over 100 years. . .
What common law? Blair’s government passed an incredible amount of statute law to supersede common law. That would all have to be repealed by parliament before we could even start looking at common law.
‘It needs to be a mass movement’
Why oh why have we never been able to achieve this after all this time?
Because too many are STILL happily chewing the cud, whilst gazing at the brainwashing screen. They believe that being a docile, good little citizen, and obeying the diktats without question will end this, and they’ll “get back to normal”. And we’re the selfish ones, spreading disease, protesting and the like. Oh, and they all know and reverently speak of at least four that have died “because of Covid” and “hundreds” of people that have “had Covid”. Can’t compete with that level of moral high ground. They’re on it and their hooves are firmly dug into it. It doesn’t bear thinking for them if they had to face up to the fact that it’s their cowardice not virtuosity, that’s keeping this going?
I reckon at least 1 in 4 are sceptical – maybe 1 in 10 vociferous – that still gives us a pool of millions.
I hear what you are saying – and I agree, but I also think we are being defeatist.
One of the major problems, is that there are no credible figure heads to rally round. Every movement needs leaders. Nobody has really dared to lead, apart from people like Piers Corbyn who, in a way, is damaging, because it is easy to tarnish him as a mad conspiracy theorist.
We need credible leaders in my opinion, from in or around the mainstream, but I understand the fear of being tarnished and othered
I agree, don’t get me wrong. I’m seeing more and more push back. Even my resolutely stubborn neighbours, whom I like very much, have begun to see the light! Our work in our local town and at Rebels at Roundabouts has been hugely positive. Oh, I think we’re moving forward now in a positive way but there is the hardcore that are still VERY hardcore, and they’re the hardest nuts to crack.
Well, thanks for all you are doing Helena, it sounds like you’re fighting the good fight and I am with you in spirit
I just wish we could bring it all together somehow.
Another observation is that (and prepared to be shot down in flames) is that the main dissent has come from the political right, who famously don’t really believe in collective action.
Faced with all this, I would ask them to think again
>I can’t think of a single case offhand of a person who was previously fit and healthy who has ended up needing intensive care after being fully vaccinated.
https://www.mylondon.news/news/south-london-news/london-firefighter-43-left-paralysed-20946027
A London firefighter has been left unable to work after contracting a rare illness that’s left him paralysed from the neck down.
Dave Elson, 46, a firefighter based at Greenwich Fire Station, was said to be previously fit and healthy according to his close friend and former colleague, Rob Hyde who spoke to My London.
Rob said he had received the news on June 12 that Dave was diagnosed with Guillain-Barré syndrome, a rare and serious condition that affects the nervous system.
“We’re not 100 per cent sure but two weeks beforehand he had his first coronavirus jab,” Rob said.
Yes, good point TLAWL.
There may not be any previously fit and healthy people that have ended up needing intensive care [suffering from Covid] after being fully vaccinated – but there are people needing hospital /intensive care suffering from serious adverse reactions to the vaccines.
As an aside, did anyone hear the CEO of AstraZeneca (AZ) being interviewed on BBC Radio 4’s Today program this morning in which he suggested that the reason mainland Europe is having its current surge in cases is because they mostly had Pfizer shots, whereas, the U.K. jabbed mostly had AZ shots – which is why we’re doing rather better – relatively speaking. I had to laugh!
bloody hell, another confounding variable to take account of!
Actually I don’t think that’s totally insane. The AZ vaccine would have provided for a much broader immune response.
It hitnk the AZ jab was duff and therefore more people in the UK caught SARS2 (and most didnt notice) and thus we have natural herd immunity.
Europe is hooked on the pfiser subscription immune system now.
Why so?
An attenuated live or replication resistant copy of SARS-CoV-2 might have elicited a broader response, but both the adenovirus viral vector (AZ) and mRNA (Pfizer, Moderna) types, though using different transport mechanisms to invade and re-programme cells, produce only the spike protein, not a whole virion.
And of the – now seemingly irrelevant – Alpha variant?
Madness repeated. It will be very interesting to know which variant is the “infection” in the number of “cases” rising throughout Europe…
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It’s all starting to sound & look like a conspiracy to coerce/force people into taking an unwanted (useless) dangerous toxic chemical cocktail, which only affords immunity of accountability to the manufacturer.
The Grauniad publishes lies. Who’d a’ thunk it?
Another bit of anecdotal evidence:
My daughter has a friend who is an anaesthetist at a big teaching hospital in the east of the country. She says that she has had to prepare a large number of pregnant women with bad covid, for emergency cesarean ops prior to being placed on a ventilator. These women were unvaccinated, because they were ineligible for the jab before they got pregnant and then, like all responsible mums to be, declined to put anything in their body which might harm their unborn child.
Evidence of what? Name that teaching hospital, for starters. How many is a ‘large number’?
Evidence that the doctor is talking BS.
Huge difference between ICUs overflowing with healthy young adults, and ICUs with lots of pregnant women. Being pregnant is not a good time to get a respiritory virus – you’re effectively overweight, and lung capacity is often restricted by the presence of the unborn child.
No idea as to the number – but enough to make her take notice.
The hospital – between London and Norwich. Very well known and respected, but I’d rather not actually name it – you can guess, I’m sure.
Btw, earlier, she said that her patients were overwhelmingly overweight elderly men of S Asian ethnicity.
HART did an article on this and found statistically no difference to other viral illnesses during pregnancy I think if I remember correctly. I too have a friend who is an anaesthetist the report from them is it is predominantly fat, middle aged men who are on ICU.
Because of the complex way the immune system changes during pregnancy you would expect pregnant women to have an increased rate of problem-covid.
The questions are:
Which we won’t know until 2026:
Please read this:
https://dailyexpose.uk/2021/11/07/cdc-scientists-admit-they-did-manipulate-study-data-to-show-the-covid-19-vaccines-are-safe-for-pregnant-women/
I think this demonstrates a potentially very serious issue for pregnant women in the first 20 weeks of “confinement”, especially in the first 13 weeks. ( “Are you listening Carrie, how do you feel about your gushing recommendation of a few weeks ago?”
And is this not prima facie evidence of the criminal behaviour of a US Health quango – who will hold them to account? And what is the position of the MHRA once they have read this study and the conclusions drawn by the Kiwi doctors?
<<Sigh>>>
I didn’t put that very well.
I was trying to say the suggestion that there were lots of pregnant women in ICU rather showed up the doctor’s rant as BS.
If ICUs were overflowing with healthy young adults, then I would be really worried about the future direction of this virus.
But if they are full of pregnant women, then I am much less worried, though I feel very sorry for the women and their babies.
Anyone who has been pregnant knows that the last trimester is hard work for the body.
Firstly, you are effectively overweight as you carry a second being around.
Secondly, whilst we know that pregnant women must eat for 2, I’d never thought about the fact that they are breathing for 2 as well. I remember being constantly short of breath shortly before my son was born, as my lung capacity was so constricted by this extra lump of baby.
Bottom line: pregnant women are overweight (technically) and have breathing issues. Not good when there is a respiritory virus around like covid. Not quite co-morbidities, but definitely not ‘healthy’ as in their pre pregnant state.
Once on the ventilator, without their babies any more, a doctor who did not read the patient’s notes properly could easily assume the women were ‘healthy’ but unvaxxed.
By the way, NO WAY would I take the jab during pregnancy.
If you think “the trials will be completed properly” and there will be unbiased open scrutiny of full data, you too area recently born baby.
10 to 1 odds they were all very fat.
Here’s some anecdotal social media evidence….
I’m in agreement with you – please see my reply to amanuensis above.
Typical of the left: “this is beyond debate.”
Translation: “There is only my point of view and yours only exists if it agrees with mine.”
The article is also anonymous – we have the right to face our accuser.
There’s also usually the explicit or implicit corollary that if you do dare to disagree, with evidence, you are a racist, homophobe, islamophobe, alt right, white supremacist, extremist, covidiot, antivaxxer, nazi, all of the above. And the more evidence you produce, the more extreme your position.
Apart from the ex-pregnant women who were unvaccinated, another group of potential needers of ICU facilities would be those who had a bad reaction to the jab , but are recorded as being unvaccinated because of the ‘more than 2 weeks’ requirement.
The first couple of tables actually specifically list the numbers of positive “cases” that received vax within the previous 20 days in a separate column, so your point doesn’t apply to this data set.
And there don’t seem to be very many people in hospital within 20 days of a vax jab *that test positive”/were tested and found positive for covid … so, at least among the covid-positive there doesn’t seem to be a huge number of hospitalisations of recently vaxxed.
I wonder whether there is any bias in who gets tested. Do they avoid testing people who have been vaxxed in previous 20 days? It’s quite striking how few of them there are. A tiny minority.
There are few people in hospital within 20 days of their jab because there are so few people that had their jab within the last 20 days.
There is increasing evidence that risks go on far longer than 20 days. Indeed, there’s evidence that the vaccinated have a period of increased risk from ‘vaccine side effects’ after every covid infection (even if asymptomatic).
Mrna COVID Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial Inflammatory Markers and ACS Risk as Measured by the PULS Cardiac Test
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712
or
Comprehensive investigations revealed consistent pathophysiological alterations after vaccination with COVID-19 vaccines
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC8546144/
or something else?
Out idiot masquerading as a PM still prattling on about boosters are the best medicine….he would still be ordering a 10 course dinner as the Titanic went down…
It is well established that The Guardian is a joke.
no, jokes are funny. The Grauniad are psychopaths.
A couple of years ago, I noticed The Guardian publishing verbatim articles from RFE/RL. (Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty) which they actually credited to RFE/RL as a byline.
historically, RFE/RL was funded by …
the old Grauniad once published a scoop by …….
and then the pavement was dug-up outside the building, and some technical experts were officially required to attack the Grauniad staff editorial MacBook Pros with axle grinders
and now we have The Guardian, the Grauniad no-longer exists,
of course – I might be completely mistaken.
Agreed, with their well established target market being teachers, academics, and the media. Because they used to be the main source of job ads for academia, the teaching and media. So the idiots that read that bilge are writing the news and teaching our children.
Some recent icu jabbed/not jabbed data here from the CSO in Ireland may be of interest
https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/br/b-cdc/covid-19deathsandcasesseries36/
the 29% unvaccinated in hospital will mostly be in there with other conditions and have tested positive
this report can be filed in the bin with the BBCs ‘the wards are filling up with covid kids’ bullshit from last winter
we know from Sweden data that the only people dying of covid are the mortally ill who would die soon anyway
that’s how they got through an 18 month pandemic with no lockdown and no excess deaths
The Guardian spreads lies.
So what should be done about it?
They will continue to publish rubbish until they are stopped.
That’s about it, really.
Quite so. They have been spreading lies about climate change for decades.
If you add in those who have been excluded from the injected category owing to the 21 day sleight of hand, the % of the injected hospitalised would be higher.
The tables here do list those cases separately, in the column headed vax within the previous 20 days. So unless Will included those in his sums of unvaxxed your point dues not apply here, not to the covid-positive anyway. But I wonder if the very recently vaxxed are not being tested as much, precisely because ( if did test positive ) any increased adverse effects on them would then appear in these official data sets …
“Previously fit and healthy”, like the young sportsmen who are dropping dead on sports fields after their vaccinations.
I gave up on that famous investigative newspaper just after covid fear began – and which they helped create.
I tried to point this out in their comments section but was always shouted down by about 90%. I admit that at that stage I was shocked, silly me. I was soon pre moderated after attempts at baiting them – with fundamental truths like the superiority of natural recovery, myths of asymptomatic transmission- and ultimate heresy – the dangers of mrna gene therapy.
I still struggle to understand quite why, maybe Bill Gates and his money has a bearing on it, plus them maybe believing that as liberals, only they really care and that so called right wingers are just selfish.
Be that as it may, I do urge everyone to wait for a suitable article you can comment on and let rip. You will be disallowed after a while and maybe now they look at all comments beforehand, but if you get in I guarantee you will be entertained by the replies.
Same on the BBC HYS forum.
Though I’m permanently banned from that now…
On the channel of universal deceit, telling the truth is a counter-revolutionary act.
I occasionally post there to see how long it takes for the ‘taken down’ notification to land in my inbox. My record is about a minute.
Ummm, waiting for the English cricket is racist HYSteria comments to open…Impossible to keep to 400 characters , but then I suspect I will be cancelled long before the end…
I gave up on it too at around the same time and for the same reasons as you. I feel better for never looking at it’s website and will never return.
I have followed a similar path to you, except I was eventually banned in May 2020 for simply pointing out that the cost of the policies would be too high and the disease was blown out of all proportion because the models were based on the Spanish flu
I see it as being too close to the truth for comfort
Even if the statement were accurate (and given the UKHSA data it seems to be something of an exaggeration), being unvaccinated would surely only be one denominator of the ICU admissions. Being overweight/obese and being over 65 is surely a far stronger correlation. There is more chance of an obese, double vaccinated 70 year old ending up in a covid ICU than a healthy, unvaccinated 30 year old. To divide and demonise society upon this one factor is madness when there are plainly far stronger denominators to ICU entry. I await the Guardian article decrying the pandemic of the old and obese.
Thank you Will. Who ever the doctor is who wrote the anonymous article that person is a very nasty piece of work. And what does it say about a newspaper, The Guardian, who readily publishes something like this.
Thank you very much, Will, for this examination and rebuttal/debunking. I saw the article at the Guardian and was appalled by it, the anonymity, the total absence of supporting data, and the blatant rabble-rousing/mob-encouraging scapegoating.
guardian readers love to hate
They keep closing the comments when it gets too abusive which is nearly every day
Yes, that is what they do, first the comments are modded, then they disappear – then the whole thing gets shut down.
10 years ago you could comment on anything, now you can only comment on the uncontroversial.
They seem positively fearful of dissent and keep a very tight, controlled narrative.
I originally fell out with them over the sustained smear campaign against Corbyn – egged on by the war-mongerer Blair and his pals. Love him or hate him, the Guardian did the establishments bidding and carried out a character assassination on him based on misinformation and lies. Ever since then I have not been able to trust a word they say.
This is someone who worked for the Guardian for a short time in a research capacity. I’ve been inside the offices, met Alan Rusbrigder etc
Through that I realised they were only interested in evidencing a pre-existing narrative, and they are run by an upper-middle class elite
The Pig Dictator is trying too hard to emulate his hero Churchill
Yesterday his Pepa Pig speech was almost a straight lift from Churchills 1959 ‘Bill and Ben and the Flower Pot Men’ speech
Those of you that remember will know that after a visit to the BBC Churchill praised B&B and the fact that the children’s programme was available in most of the countries of the former British Empire
Churchill also pointed out that no Whitehall mandarin could have come up with such an idea
Ha! Brilliant. Thank you for that historical light!
nobody reads the guardian anyway – mainly BBC staff
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_the_United_Kingdom_by_circulation#2020_to_present
BBC staff can read
Please produce evidence to support this theory
I am going to cite that Guardian article, when I speak to my doctor tomorrow, about being granted medical exemption from the vaccines, as clear evidence that the medical profession can’t be believed or trusted on any matter relating to vaccination.
I will also be quoting Pritchard’s August stats in November and that bitch Laura Duffel.
Mostly agree with the author but, not in all ways.
While it is true that 68% of alL Brits are vaccinated, we know that it’s adult vaccination numbers that matter. Since under 12s aren’t even allowed to be jabbed (yet) their numbers should be removed full stop. According to the dashboard 80.3% have had two doses in the 12+ age category. Of greater importance yet is that 88.3% have had at least 1 jab. Since 12-18 are only allowed 1 jab, this is probably the number that we solidly use. It is not fair for our side to say (rightly) young people don’t need the vaccine and then include them in determining vaccination levels for comparisons.
We also know that vaccination rates in older age categories are upwards of 95%. Since your chance of ending up in hospital, vaccinated or unvaccinated, drops off significantly under 50, we know that the highest age categories are highest vaccinated. If 8% of 50+ are unvaccinated and they are accounting for 25%+ of hospitalization, then we know that they are represented at 3x the population %. This indicates that at the margin vaccination does still reduce hospitalization. We need I do this by age, by vaccination % if we are going to be fair and taken seriously. Just saying 38% of all population are unvaccinated and they accounting for less than 38% of the issue is dishonest math. Especially as I along with a lot of people have been pointing out age-adjusted mortality is well within 20 year norms.
The Guardian article is doing what we saw the media doing in March 2020 and again last January across Europe. Article after article quoted doctors and nurses claiming their wards were filled with young people, frightening us that everyone was at risk of Covid. Of course the numbers then showed that 90%+ wert 70 and older and that 95% of the remaining population had serious comorbidities. If I am being generous I would say such statements come from being most effected by the sight of young/unvaccinated and thus left the authors imagining the issue was truly one of young/unvaccinated. If I am less generous I would say the authors simply are speaking propaganda, know it, and it feeds the accepted narrative.
Vaccination (sorry if you don’t like the fact) still provides greater protection against serious illness than no prior infection. As you age that becomes less true and as time dwindles from last dose that becomes less true. Under 50 the difference is hardly noticeable. Under 30, it may actually be reversed. The vaccines do appear to have some near term benefit. What we do not know is their longterm damage to immune responses, and this is why they should be only given to those at risk, and only by their free choice.
Excellent post DoctorC.
” If 8% of 50+ are unvaccinated and they are accounting for 25%+ of hospitalization, then we know that they are represented at 3x the population %. This indicates that at the margin vaccination does still reduce hospitalization. ”
only if the 2 cohorts are otherwise the same
but vacced include many worried well and unvacced people at the margins of society plus people too ill to be vacced
I have still to see proper evidence of vaccine efficacy. In the trial there were more all cause deaths in the vaccine than placebo arm
just to add, I’m ambivalent about whether they work or not at reducing illness and death. I haven’t seen any data that convinces me. The PHE report is (by their own admission and the ONS) unfit to measure efficacy due to the confounding factors of differences between the self selecting vacced and unvacced cohorts.
I always assumed that absent proper fraud, the vaccs might work for those at risk to some extent but daft to give to everyone because of no long term data
That’s round the wrong way though. It’s not, ok, the vaccine’s work, now are they safe. It should be, first are they safe, ok, now do they work.
The fact that in older people for a few weeks it boosts their immunity is irrelevant compared to the harm that this vaccine is causing. And if you’re a doctor, and you can’t see that, then I don’t know what to tell you.
From my reading of the comment, the Oxford doc does see that.
and it only boosts there resistance to SARS2, and harms every other response.
Your conclusions re the benefits conferred by the jabs are open to question. How many over-50s are testing positive (and it could be a false positive) after being in hospital with another condition? I also believe that there is a possibility that patients within 21 days of their second jab are being included in the unvaccinated totals – which will skew the data!
“Vaccination (sorry if you don’t like the fact) still provides greater protection against serious illness than no prior infection.” Try telling that to the 20,000 UK citizens killed and millions injured by the injections that both the Lancet and BMJ point out have zero efficacy.
“Vaccination (sorry if you don’t like the fact) still provides greater protection against serious illness than no prior infection”
You ignore existing T/memory cell immunity from other coronaviruses previously suffered – ref Dr Yeadon and others – studies have been done on this as you may know.
Re: the risk of death and adverse reaction – there is growing evidence ( massive understatement) of the harm these jabs and the delivery system do (the admission that these jabs should not be repeated ad infinitum is …troubling). I fervently disagree that they should be given “to those at risk” – if “the long term damage to immune responses” is unknown, how on this earth is it medically acceptable to further endanger people who may have already compromised immune systems?
Early treatment regimes developed at speed in the US and elsewhere have proved to be very effective at stopping the SARS COV2 variants, reducing hospitilisations and deaths; not my knowledge but doctors like Peter McCullough know this from real world clinical experience – their evidence cannot be ignored any longer. The drugs they and others use are proven safe, out of patent ( very big clue there) , cheap – apart from monoclonal antibody infusions I reckon – the fact that there is a concerted “fact checking” campaign to smear some of these drugs and their advocates is a total disgrace.( Recent disclosure that US medics have treated US politicians with the self same drugs, if verificable and why would these medics lie and risk further their careers, is revelatory )
If you are comfortable to advance/promote an experimental, minimally tested, unsafe ( by virtue of comparison with other EUA drugs, certainly in the US, some of which have beed withdrawn after trial deaths in single figures – ref.Dr Peter McCullogh – ) over others with little or no ongoing issues…….why?
I’m not sure that endless analysis of The Guardian articles is going to get us out of this dystopian Covid nightmare.
Probably everything depends on how many people are going to take the 3rd ‘booster’ to keep their Vaxx Passes valid, and whether parents will allow their 0-11 year old kids be jabbed – as we have seen, many 12 year olds and up went off to be jabbed by the school nurse (we don’t know how many – both sides exaggerate the figures to suit their agenda).
If we had real investigative journalists they would be all over this,, the ‘uni’ media courses of trawling online from your bed or even from another country (DM) don’t work..
Just “starting to look and sound rather ugly?” Better to wake late than never!
While this may not be an example of an outright lie by the Guardian, it wouldn’t be the first time that a politically motivated NHS employee has told lies which have then been picked up and spread by media who were keen to push the same narrative.
See here:
https://metro.co.uk/2021/01/03/consultant-slams-garbage-claims-that-covid-wards-are-full-of-children-13839743/
Even if it were true, these are anecdotes from one consultant in one hospital, not data from the entire NHS. So should be treated with more caution than the Guardian has done.
What the Guardian should have done is done a proper study of the data, as Will does on a regular basis. But then they would be responsible for any errors. As things stand, quoting an anonymous NHS doctor gives them plausible deniability.
The following is purely hypothetical using made up numbers for illustrative purposes only.
I have a group of people (1000). 10% of them are susceptible to a deadly virus and if they catch it all of them are hospitalised (100). The other 90% are barely affected by it and never/rarely end up in hospital (900). Of the 10% vulnerable only 50% of them can be vaccinated (50). The vaccine reduces the hospitalisation rate by 50% (25).
Only the 10% vulnerable are given vaccines. Everyone gets infected in one day so there are 25 vaccinated people in hospital and 50 unvaccinated people in hospital. The hospitals are declared full of unvaccinated people (66.66%).
This is justification for vaccinating the other 90% who were barely affected by the virus and never/rarely end up in hospital.
The Guardian writers like much of the MSM will urge this sort of story on the public they are desperate to have an attack on the unvaccinated or what they really want is a few good deaths, then they can write more stories and then when it gets out of control deny they had anything to do with it, and cry fake tears at how terrible it all is.
Politicians and Main stream journalists is there any lower creature
Caption Competition
Surgeon 1 ‘Yes, I’ve pumped him with another full pint of vaccine but there is still nothing coming up on the screen’
Surgeon 2 ‘Give him a booster pint’
No sane person reads the Guardian and the ones who read it have a twisted and sick view of the world anyway.
It’s not surprising to see the Guardian reporting this anecdotal drivel when you see who funded them to the tune of $3.5m in September 2020.
https://www.gatesfoundation.org/about/committed-grants/2020/09/inv017377
We have to be careful here of doing just what we blame the media of – misleading reporting. Adjust that table to per 100k and the Guardian is partially correct. Per 100k, there are more unvaccinated dying and I assume in hospital. So yes technically article is right and it still looks like the vaccine helps the over 50s in relative terms. And I ain’t no rabid vax everyone at all costs. Combine with the higher infection rates in the vaccinated, it’s clear there should be no need or coercion to force or segregate the unvaccinated. But if you’re over 50, the vaccine helps prevent serious illness somewhat.
difficult to adjust to rates per 100k. the ONS and the PHE recently had a major ding-dong because no-one knows how many unvaccinated there are. they both say we can’t use those figures for vaccine efficacy – which is unfortunate because that is technically what they are for
You keep repeating this claim, yet yesterday you acknowledged that you weren’t sure if people dying within 21 days of the second jab are classed as unvaccinated – which would completely skew that data!
There’s also the CANT BE jabbed (palliative) and the WONT be jabbed (Healthy me).
The Cant be jabbed need a separate column.
How about myself? Can’t be jabbed and won’t be jabbed.
It’s interesting the “consultant”‘s claim is about ICUs for which there are no official figures. How convenient! But surely if the majority of deaths are in the vaccinated they must have been in the ICU before death?
Also, the people in ICU may merely have had a positive COVID test (catching COVID in hospital is, after all, routine).But once they have a positive COVID test they will be classified as a COVID patient. But are they being treated in ICU for COVID, or for something else?
There is so much scope to distort the figures here.
The consultant was talking about intensive care not hospitalisation. There are no up-to-data on this.
Why the need for anonymity?
We don’t know but one reason might be to avoid hate emails and other social media attacks. We get plenty of anonymous main articles on this site.
Why the lack of referenced data, then? How come the claims directly contradict official sources?
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland
Oh, and to see just how well the vaccines really work see the link provide by JayBee:
https://odysee.com/@ETKE21:8/lbry69NewZealandNurseexplainswhatshe'scurrentlyseeinginhospital:3
The “official sources” don’t tell the story you think they tell. See here for an explanation.
Take your 1st and then your 2nd booster. What could possibly go wrong?
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/abs/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712
I see you make no comment about the lack of data in the guardian’s fabrication!
They lie routinely.
Here’s one I caught previously.
After seeing the tweet from Nigel I accused him of lying. Naturally his following piled in to berate me for daring to criticise a member of the holy NHS fraternity.
I persisted though and it turns out he was lying. He deleted the tweet and then DMed me the apology below. As far as I know I never publicly acknowledged the lie.
I can’t seem to attach more than one image in a post so I’ll attach the original tweet in a reply.
Original tweet –
Is there nowhere we can complain about this – Press Complaints Commission or Ofcom etc?
At the very least this is egregious and biased reporting and should clarified by data.
At worst its an outright lie and a published retraction should be made.
Either way enough complaints should force a re-evaluation of the ‘story’ and cause issues at the paper which would be worth it on its own
https://odysee.com/@ETKE21:8/lbry69NewZealandNurseexplainswhatshe'scurrentlyseeinginhospital:3
Compared to the truth, told by someone real. Posted at the roundup BTL by antisocialist.
That’s shocking – that a doctor would regret doing a blood test which showed a need for urgent treatment and also that pointed a finger very strongly towards vaccine injury which needs to be reported.
Health Services around the world have been so corrupted, it’s really quite shocking.
I know right? What happened to their “duty of care”? And it rather begs the question; why the hell would you even go into medicine and through that grueling training if you’ve got no interest in actually helping your patients? Where are their consciences?
I suppose if she’s facing the sack for not getting the jab then she’s got nothing to lose. I hope more doctors and nurses who are not prepared to submit to the pressure to get injected follow suit. They need to be blowing the lid of this cover-up, which we know damn well is what’s going on, but getting it from the horse’s mouth would just confirm our suspicions. No way is this nurse’s experience the exception rather than the rule. This will be happening the world over.
What needs to filter into the public domain is that doctors are among the few people who are actually trained to lie, and obviously those who see the NHS as a political cause have more reasons to lie than the others.
It’s like the BBC in parasitic funding and very similarly narcissistic politics of self-grandiosity.
A dugout somewhere on the Western Front November 1917
Cpl Baldrick ‘Sir how did the trip to GCHQ go?’
Captain Blackadder ‘Not good the General has gone mad and is likely to get us all killed. We need to get rid of him’
Cpl B ‘Easy Sir, just release a video of him snogging one of the servants’
Capt B ‘Too obvious, we used that the last time when we got rid of Captain Hancock’
Cpl B ‘ Frag him?’
Capt B ‘No fragging doesn’t arrive until Vietnam’
Cpl B ‘I have a cunning plan’
Capt B ‘Go on’
Cpl B ‘Well Sir, I could go undercover at GCHQ as the General’s speech writer
Capt B ‘Go on’
Cpl B ‘Well Sir, we write a speech and get him to ramble on about pink pigs that don’t exist. We also swap the pages around so he gets completely confused’
Capt B ‘Brilliant, Brilliant, he’ll be in Craiglockhart before lunchtime’
This is clearly propaganda. Why would a consultant write anonymously? He is literally espousing the orthodoxy, the government’s viewpoint, and the NHS’ message. He is not a whistleblower, his job isn’t at risk, he won’t be lambasted in the media. One can only conclude he is worried his un-verrified numbers will be fact-checked or maybe he isn’t even who he says he is.
Well, desperation is really setting in now. Yawn. Looks like Mr Global just paid the Guardian another bucket load of cash.
Couldn’t have put it better. Similar article in the Mail today, at least this time from a banned doctor. Starting to feel like a persecuted minority…
Watch TV in America. Every other commercial seems to be from Big Pharma.
If the vaccine doesn’t stop infection – and it doesn’t – why on earth would there be more unvaccinated than vaccinated in hospital?
If anything, it should be the other way around. The unvaccinated are mostly young and healthy and therefore unlikely to need hospitalisation for a weedy disease like Covid-19. The same cannot be said for the vaccinated, who are generally older and generally in poorer physical condition.
And don’t forget that throughout the last nearly two years we have been consistenty (and correctly) told that young, fit and healthy individuals are not at risk from the virus, so this…
‘Here, the patient population consists of a few vulnerable people with severe underlying health problems and a majority of fit, healthy, younger people unvaccinated by choice.’
…from the ‘good medic’, without any data in support, can confidently and properly be dismissed as utter bullshit.
Did you read the article? It is about ICU not hospital. In the consultant’s experience, some otherwise fit and healthy unvaccinated end up in ICU while fit and healthy vaccinated don’t. That’s because the vaccine works.
This was from TCW:
In a November 12 podcast session with the New York Times, Fauci was forced to admit the fact that the vaccines do not reliably protect their recipients from serious Covid or death.
Called upon to explain the data coming from Israel – a country with
one of the highest vaccination rates in the world – Fauci said the
following:
“They are seeing a waning of immunity not only against infection but against hospitalization and to some extent death, which is starting to now involve all age groups. It isn’t just the elderly.”
In other words, the vaccines’ protective efficacy wanes not only in
regard to the threat of infection, but also in regard to severe Covid
and death. Speaking about the effectiveness of the vaccines in countries
with high vaccination rates, Fauci admitted:
“It’s waning to the point that you’re seeing more and more people getting breakthrough infections, and more and more of those people who are getting breakthrough infections are winding up in the hospital.”
“But the story is different on our intensive care unit. Here, the patient population consists of a few vulnerable people with severe underlying health problems and a majority of fit, healthy, younger people unvaccinated by choice.”
Young, fit, healthy, people end up in ICU for all sort of reasons. Car accidents. Suicide. Sports injuries. Stabbings.
How many of these young, fit, healthy people are in ICU because they are ill with COVID, and how many have simply had a positive test, or don’t have COVID at all? Do we know? The article doesn’t say. It’s a complete data-free zone that article.
Given that we know NHS staff have lied to the media before about the patients in their hospitals, it’s not a big stretch to imagine it’s happening again.
https://metro.co.uk/2021/01/03/consultant-slams-garbage-claims-that-covid-wards-are-full-of-children-13839743/
So if they work should they be mandatory?
Do I look like a socialist ? I don’t give a shit, what goes in my body is my choice, it’s no one else’s business! I owe the NHS nothing.
Why is this ‘medic’ anonymous? Usually these cultists enjoy the limelight when demonatrating their ‘community spirit’ and general ‘virtue’ when denouncing heterodox positions. It’s not as if this ‘medic’ has to remain anonymous out of fear of losing their job/being hounded by the self-righeous mob.
I dunno. Perhaps they’re shy, or something. But given the erroneous, incoherent and irrational nature of the piece, it’s hardly surprising they would wish to remain anonymous, because we all remember the unwanted attention Dr Emma Keelan received when she was exposed for lying:
https://citizenjournos.com/2021/11/21/update-on-dr-emma-keelan-bbcni-lies/
Can the non existent be anonymous?
Yes indeed – the most likely explanation of this GroanAid abomination.
Completely made up journalistic fraud is an MSM speciality.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilpazier_Aslam
I dunno, throughout this living nightmare we have witnessed doctors and ‘experts’ routinely lying to us.
But this is such a transparent, disingenuous, fear-mongering tactic – how can’t people see this?
It’s clear and widely understood and even agreed upon that your vaccination status has no effect on infection and transmission – even my most Covid-zealot acquaintances reluctantly agree.
The government knows this and can’t use it as a way to stigmatise the unvaccinated, so a change of tact: let’s blame the unvaccinated for overcrowding our hospitals instead, thus blocking you, the virtuous vaccinated one, from medical care.
“Pandemic of the unvaccinated.” Another emotive, science-less, bitter slogan, like “Don’t kill granny.” and “So you want to let it rip?”.
Fucking nobs.
The breakdown is quite helpful between:
But is there data available showing the populations that fit into each of these categories? The only rates (numbers of positives/hospitalisations/deaths per 1,000 population) I’ve seen are for unvaccinated and fully vaccinated, which I believe lumps all those first three categories in together. The absolute numbers are only of limited use if we can’t compare rates. Is there increased risk during those periods? What about after a booster?
This is what we (as the general public) are up against….
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HcMteEeC2Lk
The first thing any mandate-happy advocate should do is admit they are personally jabbed and thus biased.
Looking at the data in Europe it looks very much a casedemic. In Western Europe all the death stats are below this time last year. Maybe Eastern Germany has a problem and the saviour Merkel wants go out as some sort of globalist hero. As ever she gets cover from others. I hear a lot of assumptions in the media commentary but not much evidence.
Am I missing something? Or is it more overblown scaremongering. Holland’s restrictions look as barmy as anything seen during this panicdemic period.
No, looking at the numbers I don’t think you’re missing anything.
Lots of cases and patients in ICU in Austria, but deaths look like they have peaked
In Germany, similar rise in patients in ICU but lower levels of deaths.
With the exception of cases in Austria, which is driven by an increase in testing, none of the measures are higher than in the same countries last year.
Look how much more testing going on in Austria compared to the UK and Germany – but the share of tests which are positive is in the doldrums:
Also The UK’s positive test rate early on was very good for immunity which is why we dont have a so called “wave”
About 5% of all all cause deaths are in the unvaccinated according to this ONS data
So perhaps 5% of ICU relates to the unvaccinated and 95% to the vaccinated at a guess.
If the anonymous doctor is not a lying scumbag, why is he anonymous?
Free face mask with the Guardian tomorrow.
If this was true, which it very, very obviously is not, then why is the author anonymous? If it was genuine then surely the top honcho would make a statement. There have been no official statements though. Why are certain parties so desperate to get us all to take untested, extremely dangerous, drugs?
The first table referred to relates to infection rates, not hospitalisation rates. You need to look at a few tables together to get the accurate hospitalisation rates by vaccination status, starting with table 6 on page 23 of the report, reading the accompanying text specifically on page 17. It clearly states as a conclusion of the data “The rate of hospitalisation within 28 days of a positive covid-19 test increases with age and is substantially greater in unvaccinated individuals compared to vaccinated individuals”. Same thing about deaths. Please read the report in full and to understand before spreading misinformation.
Who counts as “unvaccinated”? People who have never been vaccinated? People who have had only one vaccination? People who have had one or two vaccinations but the most recent one was less than 14 days ago? People who have had two vaccinations but no booster?
Two confounders for you, one, the vaccination status of the patient could influence decisions made at triage. Two, the entire apparatus of the state and the media has been promulgating, as fact, that the vaccines prevent serious illness which means those who have been vaccinated are much less likely to go to hospital in the first place.
Anonymous evidence is inadmissable in a court of law because there can be no cross examination. It also violates your right to face your accuser.
This article is written by ‘anonymous’ and in my view shouldn’t be allowed for the same reasons. If they believe in what they write then why don’t they stand by it?
They’re afraid of the Wrath of the Vaxless.
Have to be careful following that line as many professionals who oppose the narrative, including our own Mike Hearn, have had to publish in anonymity.
I think we’ve won.
No doubt there will be sad and pathetic attempts to discredit the trial but a paper in the peer-reviewed and highly regarded ‘Circulation’ has concluded thus:
`We conclude that the mRNA vacs dramatically increase inflammation on the endothelium and T cell infiltration of cardiac muscle and may account for the observations of increased thrombosis, cardiomyopathy and other vascular events following vaccination.’
The suggestion is that it takes 2.5 months to clear from the body.
It would therefore be criminal to proceed unchecked with MRNA vaccinations.
So as long as the news is spread far and wide and swiftly we have, at least for some years, won this battle.
Have you a link please.
On Robert Malone’s twitter feed.
Thank you. I don’t descend into the sewer I am afraid.
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712
Excellent rebuttal (as usual) that actually uses data, which journalists and scientists and health care workers are supposed to do.
Regarding hospitalizations and deaths in the under-40 cohort, I strongly suspect most of these patients are in the hospital “with” COVID and not “from” or because of COVID.
In the 0 to 18 category, it would be good to know the numbers for the “0 to 1 (infant)” category. Per my research, 25 percent of children who have died from or with COVID in the U.S. occurred among infants, who of course have much more severe, life-threatening medical conditions than children who have already reached their first birthday.
Children deaths are greatly inflated by the deaths in the infant category (and many of these cases are probably pre-mature births). Few experts are arguing for vaccination of infants, although I’m sure this is coming.
A couple of phrases in the quoted article make me suspicious that it was written by a political activist rather than an actual ICU doctor (“…, I promise you”), and a quick scan down the comments shows many others think the same. Like the virus origin, perhaps we’ll never know.
So just out of interest, supposing a hypothetical reputable paper did publish an article which included assertions of fact (as opposed to legitimate but arguable personal opinions) on the basis of personal authority which later proved to be fictitious, what sanctions could be taken by Ofcom or any other body against the publisher?
I’m distinguishing here between an invented anonymous source who says (eg) “as an ICU doctor, I think everyone should get vaccinated” and one who says (eg) “as an ICU doctor, I can tell you my unit is currently full of the unvaccinated”.
Anyone know?
There’s something seriously fishy about this article (in the Guardian) as – minus the unpleasant attitude towards patients – there’s no reason why an NHS consultant could get into to trouble at work by reporting this if it was true. That’s not secret and scandalous insider information the powers who are would rather hide from the public to avoid endangering themselves. It’s a Bang on the narrative Corona story everybody interested in this narrative would welcome if it was true.
Hence, the only conceivable reason why this anonymous source is hiding his name is because he’d get himself in trouble otherwise as the story is not true.
Hospitals are lethal places for infections (the best advice is to stay well away from them, if possible. If you need treatment, get it, then hot foot out quickly).
Some of the worst infections are :
MRSA
CDIF
CLABSI
CAUTI
SSI
VAP
HAP
COVID
UT
GASTRO
PF
The upshot is if you go into hospital you will have a very good chance of catching Covid, this is a known fact.
There was a very nice recent preprint comparing an exposed Petri dish in an NHS ward for a week with a similar dish exposed the next week. The trick was in week 2 that a decent UV/ioniser stand-alone air filter had been switched on for week 2.
week 1 generated your above list of micro-organisms, growing merrily.
in week 2, everything except one bug was gone from the air, zapped. That last remaining pathogen was the fungus candida, seemingly indestructible in NHS wards….
everything else just costs a bit of outlay, planning & maintenance, if you’d like a clean, covid free environment.
Krankie has all but admitted the vaccines don’t work by getting rid of vaccine passports and replacing them with testing passports. Still stupid but a clear admission that even fishhead can see vaccines don’t stop infections or transmission and, indeed, it looks like they make both worse.
The Guardian is to the self-appointed ‘thinking classes’ what The Daily Sport was to serious investigative journalism officinados.
Its the “worlds leading liberal voice.”
no, really. Their editorial today on vaccine passports and protests isn’t very liberal though…..
Hospitals in USA and in first world countries are refusing life-saving Ivermectin treatment even with court orders. Big Pharma doing everything they can to jab us no matter what, while alternative COVID cures EXIST! There happens to be heavy censorship who are looking for these treatments. The Research Is Clear: Ivermectin Is a Safe, Effective Treatment for COVID. Get your Ivermectin today while you still can! https://ivmpharmacy.com
What is it that The Guardian guards? It’s clearly not the truth.
I was reading the other day that Covid will never truly be eliminated because of all the animal reservoirs and that it infects everything from “cats, dogs, bank voles, ferrets, fruit bats, hamsters, mink, pigs, rabbits, tree shrews, and even goats.”
Then I thought to myself about those goats and maybe we could round them up and vaccinate them or wouldn’t it be better if we all went back to those olden days where everyone in our communities came together and found a goat and we went to the edges of our towns and cities and said a few words to the poor little thing and we put all of our anxieties and our stress and our frustration all on this goat and we put a little mobile phone around its neck and a contract tracing app and we just set it free into the woods and we all had the app on our phones so we knew it was safe and it would never come back or we’d freak out again. But everything would be somehow alleviated through this collective action as long as everything was put on the goats and they were cast out of our collective psyche.
Maybe, just like the old times, that’s what we need to do so we don’t start massacring each other or forcing genes into each others bodies or putting ourselves in concentration camps. Just a suggestion.
This isn’t an article to persuade or make a clear case. It isn’t even an article that is referenced.
Because this is seed planting and nothing more.
Prepare for us to follow in the steps of Europe.
Tyranny starts going vertical from here!
Can we not forget that of the unjabbed, many are now in hospital due the shedding occurring from the injected. I have a large number of extremely healthy friends whose families having been injected and suffered serious side effects, are now themselves very ill.
It has taken some of my unjabbed friends nearly two months to regain their strength and rejoin the world. The symptoms seem to mirror the jabbed with extreme fatigue, shivering, bad metallic taste in mouth, blurred vision, unable to make decisions (even to decide whether they need the loo or not), and much dizziness. However, no sweating or high temperature, no aching limbs etc.
Many believe this injection is a bio weapon due to the shedding and the highly unusual effects it causes. None have gone into hospital that I know of because of their fear of being killed off. The biggest problem was dehydration due the lack of energy to drink. I spent a whole morning squeezing water from a clean cloth onto my friend’s lips whilst her husband went to do some shopping. I think it’s time we stopped reporting the obvious propaganda and started to research this phenomenon of shedding. I think we could learn a whole lot about this injection if we looked in the right places rather than try to make sense of the propaganda.
For instance stop using the word ‘vaccine’ when it’s not. Use the word injection until all the trials are complete. Stop believing ‘cases’ are automatically hospitalised and start using the correct terminology of ‘infected’ until we know there are deaths and then actually use the words appropriate to death.
I noticed that the anonymous Guardian writer was talking about the new £2000 treatment they use for patients: Ronapreve made up of Casirivimab and Imdevimab.
The c19early.com site shows this drug as giving 74% “imrovement” in all studies combined and priced at $2100. By contrast Ivermectin gives 67% “improvement” and is priced at $1. In early treatment studies the “improvement” is 68% and 67% for the two drugs. Comparing $2100 with $1 it is staggering just how much money the NHS sprays around.
In response to the claims of over-run ICU units with young, otherwise fit but unvaccinated people I thought I’d look at the subsequent deaths.
The table below shows weekly deaths of people without ‘pre-condition’ from the 1st week of Sept.
There have been 18 deaths in the 20-39 age group. Interestingly, 13 were in Sept & 5 in Oct.
Again, make of it what you will but as always, when you look at the data it gives you a bit of context
The obsession with the acceptance of a novel mRNA vaccine as a determinant of health is bizarre. The issue is if an individual when in contact with the SARS-CoV-2 virus presents a serious and avoidable morbidity/mortality to themselves and a transmission risk to others. It is the complex antibody response which is important. The suggestion of vaccination eg in a 12 year old who has had covid (shadow education secretary TalkRADIO) is dangerous.
Letter in DT yesterday from a named Consultant Anaesthetist saying pretty much the same things.
I am not a believer in coincidences unless they are truly random; a stitch up , very possibly?
At least we know where he works so can look at the released statistics and put in FOIs. They must have accurate stats for ICU admissions; that they aren’t releasing them speaks volumes as usual. If they shed positive light on the vaxes they would be headline news, rather than being grubby, unreferenced, anonymous articles.
“At least we know where he works“
Hmmmm!
Would you be able to tell me the name of the Anaesthetist? There was one about a year ago who was being widely quoted on the BBC and in the MSM about the pressures the health service was under. I suspected then that he was a paid shill. May not be the same bloke. His name escapes me, but I would recognise it if I saw it again.
Just found the name I was looking for – Dr Indeewar Kapila. Not him by any chance?
Ddd,
Letter 23rd November 2021 , DT Letters: verbatim, O&OE, sic:
“Sir, Intensive care units are filling up with Covid patients, mostly young and unvaccinated. They spend more time in these units, thus blocking beds. Consequently operations for elective surgical patients needing intensive care beds post-op are sadly getting postponed.
The NHS has become a free insurance policy for the unvaccinated in case they get Covid. It is time to take that free insurance away.
The unvaccinated, unless exempted, should be asked to pay towards care inn the NHS if they come in for Covid-related treatment. The money should be deducted from their benefits, salary or university maintenance grant.
The public has a right to treatment in the NHS and cannot be held hostage by those who choose not to be vaccinated.
Dr Dipankar Bose,
Consultant anaesthetist
Warwick Hospital”
I can just see some folks spluttering over their tea and cakes when they read this.
I am always wary of committing to the internet what I think and reign myself in perpetually – not something he is afflicted with or conflicted by. This guy must have a private income because I don’t see many sentient people wishing him to be hands on the oxygen for their life saving surgical procedure after reading this. Is it me or does he come across as decidedly not the sharpest scalpel in the operating theatre
Hopefully someone will trawl for the data from Warwick Hospital to check this out – he might be 100% right of course.
More difficult for him is if he is wrong – his comments are a professional Code of Conduct issue for sure but he might have chums in the BMA or GMC so that’s all right”.
Far more concerning is his lack of knowledge generally about the incidence of “vaccinated” patients in hospital right now…..with CV19 – how bloody embarrassing for him. Equally he does not know that the NHS is funded from “general’ taxation , and last I looked is not bifurcated jabbed and non jabbed.
“NHS has become a free insurance policy…” correct; what don’t “you” get about “Health Tourists”? He should ask his “Womens Service” co-clinicians about the extent to which they have had to historically to treat women flown in from certain destinations outside the UK – no charge, and not just free at the point of delivery.
Double standards yet again. Every single word challenging the narrative is fact checked, scrutinised and declared false. Articles such as this, and the interview with a particularly nasty GP spouting total nonsense should simply not be allowed to stand. Whilst JHB did challenge some of his assumptions, the rest can be debunked by data and he should be brought back on to defend his original statements.
Billy boy Gates & his lap dogs are getting great value from guardian for his donations
Is there any credible data anywhere in the world which shows how many non jabbed recovered from covid have –
Been infected again,
Been hospitalised because ill with it,
Been in ICU because of it,
Died.- because of it.
And I mean positive PCR but with clinical signs.
I suspect from the many articles showing the superiority of natural immunity ( shock ) that the numbers would be staggeringly low.
Perhaps the anonymous consultant, if he/she exists, should perhaps ponder the above before making inflammatory statements which can only be designed to promote compulsory jabbing.
And if that comes to be the NHS will have a hell of a lot of A and E admissions….
Can anyone explain to me why table 5b on p22 of the Vaccine Surveillance Report appears to completely contradict the previous two tables? What’s going on here?
This consultant made the Hippocratic Oath, so to say “my patience with them is wearing thin” betrays that and should be sanctioned. This is not going down the ‘sack him’ line, as we need our health professionals, but he needs to understand that his professionalism includes not making such judgements, especially as he knows full well that any medical intervention is the individuals choice, which must be respected. He is there to treat, not judge.
The Bill Gates-subsidised Grauniad is a disgrace to the journalistic profession I belonged to for 45 years, thankfully before the Fourth Estate morphed from public watchdog into Establishment lapdog.
My guess is that the anonymous “doctor” is probably some semi-literate 77th Brigade squaddie who wouldn’t know one end of a stethoscope from the other. This secretive arm of the UK military, has “several units” dedicated to psychological warfare and went on a recruiting spree for “soldiers with journalism skills and familiarity with social media” in the run-up to the pandemic psyop.
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/secretive-77th-brigade/
What the Actual Fuxx?
Can someone, preferably a Monomaniacal Clotshot Clown explain this (see image)? How can these bastards get away with outright blatant bloody lies for so long without anyone pulling them up?
Recent (Nov 5th, 2021) FOIA shows what the reality is.
And before you come back with the old bollix about the absence of evidence not being evidence of absence you’ve got to ask yourself; in such desperately serious circumstances, unprecedented in human history, why is there NOTHING available?
Then again, I suppose that now all the double jabbed could easily be classified as unjabbed if they haven’t had their boosters…The wards will very likely be filling up with “unjabbed”.
Stop reading or listening to mainstream media. It is simple, does not cost a Penny. And don’t go back until msm is ready to report with integrity and honesty. There are so many alternatives, we are spoiled for choice. Steve Kirsch, The Hart Group, FLCCC, The Defender, The Highwire, and hundreds and hundreds of scientists, doctors, data analysts all willing to share their findings with the public, in a honest manner.
KIRAN YADAV WP SCAN COPY (Blurred).pdf – Google Drive
Does anybody actually read the Guardian??