Attempts to see details of a key email conversation between leading scientists – including Sir Patrick Vallance and Anthony Fauci – on the origins of Covid have been quashed by the British Government which has redacted page after page with thick black lines, begging the question: “What are they hiding?” The Mail on Sunday has the story.
[The MoS] used Freedom of Information rules to obtain a cache of 32 emails about a secretive teleconference between British and American health officials held early in the pandemic.But officials blacked out almost every word before releasing the crucial documents.
Before this discussion, several of the world’s most influential experts believed the new virus most likely came from a laboratory – but days later, the scientists began dismissing such scenarios as “implausible” and branding them conspiracy theories.
The critical call is at the centre of concerns that the scientific establishment tried to stifle debate on the pandemic’s origins, as damning new evidence emerges of U.S. ties to high-risk research on bat viruses in Wuhan, where the first cases emerged in late 2019.
The MoS requested emails, minutes and notes on the call between Sir Patrick Vallance – Britain’s Chief Scientific Adviser – and its organisers Sir Jeremy Farrar, Director of the Wellcome Trust medical charity, and Anthony Fauci, the U.S. infectious diseases expert and presidential adviser.
Yet when the documents were released they had page after page redacted with thick lines of black ink by Whitehall officials. Even the names of experts copied in on discussions were blocked – and exchanges as trivial as one Edinburgh biologist’s “thank you” for being invited – leaving only a few basic details about the call visible.
The lines left intact include a demand for the discussions, involving 13 participants around the world, to be conducted in “total confidence”, and an intriguing email line suggesting “we need to talk about the backbone too, not just the insert”.
That was possibly sent by Dutch virologist Marion Koopmans, a member of the World Health Organisation team that produced a widely criticised report into Covid’s origins.
Such absurd state secrecy is highly contemptuous towards taxpayers and to a world that wants to know what caused this devastating pandemic to guard against similar catastrophes in the future.
The response was condemned by Tory MP and freedom of information campaigner David Davis.
“This is a matter of massive public and global importance,” he said. “It is hard to see why there should be such secrecy that it outweighs the immense public interest and requires them to redact this sort of important data.”
Worth reading in full.
Stop Press: Ian Birrell, who wrote the piece in the Mail on Sunday, has produced a Twitter thread showing some of the redacted documents which you can see here.
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And if you exclude the killing of the elderly in care homes in April/May 2020 there has never been a pandemic at all! Its been completely manmade from Drosten’s PCR test through to ‘vaccinations’, aided by the usual rubbish computer models.
You don’t know what page we’re now on, do you?
I say boy, get with the programme. PRONTO. AS IN RIGHT NOW.
We are now concerned with Putin and Ukraine, divert all your energy at these targets.
COVID-19, old folks, suspicious deaths, ship loads of Midazolam and bankrupted small business are sooooooooo passé.
“And if you exclude the killing of the elderly in care homes in April/May 2020 there has never been a pandemic at all!”
Yes – or to be more exact, nothing special about mortality rates. (A pandemic doesn’t have to kill anyone.)
A plandemic, though, is expected to kill lots of people. It’s a must that plandemics kill many people. And kill them by whatever means necessary.
Plandemics have numerous ways of killing people, some of which are, lockdown induced suicides, getting beaten to death by irate lockdowned spouses and, of course, poisonous gene therapies.
It’s also said that Midazolam is another murder-weapon that plandemics have in their arsenals.
Don’t mix “plandemics” up with “pandemics”. They are completely different beasts. One evolved from Nature, the other from Satan.
Agree with you but here we go again – my sister informs me this morning that her boyfriend/husband has a cough and headache and feels ‘lousy’ – took an LFT test which showed ‘positive’ (for what??!!) and then took himself off to be ‘confirmed’ by PCR which also showed ‘positive’. So, is ‘Covid’ real or not?
I still think it is a load of old bullocks but people keep ‘getting it’ like there’s no going out of fashion. These tests probably don’t show SARS-CoV2 at all, but they are keeping the scam going. But then people keep saying they’ve never known anything like it – loss of smell and taste… but these people never die, do they? All a big fuss over a cough. Bloody hypochondriacs!
I think there’s reasonable evidence that covid is “real” but that’s about it. I don’t think it should have been noteworthy outside of virus-watching circles.
Yes exactly – these people have been driven to imagine they’ve got a specific set of symptoms – but they haven’t. Believing they’ve got Covid makes them feel ‘part of something’. It reassures them. They’d rather be ‘ill’ than not ill. They’re feeble.
Given that we have a Cabinet full of bed-wetters (or worse) the lack of spine extends all the way down through the community, thanks to the Nudge Unit and, of course, SAGE ‘experts’. One hopes that they get to answer for what they’ve done, when the hearings start.
Yes, indeed. It always used to be calling ”a rotten stinking cold” or flu, when they didn’t have ”proper scientific” names to hang it on, let alone ”a test”. It involved loss of smell and taste, a cough, some sneezing and a sore throat, and even a headache sometimes.
And for already sick people, any extra sickness was always a danger.
The readiness of people to swallow the narrative instead of doing just a bit of research for themselves is the most depressing thing.
Yes indeed. But where would we be without computers?
Would the world be a better place without them?
How did we manage to previously exist?
I know one thing for sure, they certainly don’t aid critical thinking.
Want to know something – just google it, and it must be true. Maybe.
Too much effort required to read a book.
Indeed: with all the deaths in care homes, the NHS hospital DNR tagging, the depression-induced suicides, plus whatever the vaxxes might have done, it’s a wonder there’s anyone left to become a ‘mortality’ statistic.
If you kill off the old and the vulnerable, you are going to get a much healthier nation on average, and a lower death rate – until the remaining people start getting old and vulnerable in their turn…
“Deaths registered in England in December [was] 10.2% less than the five-year average.”
Might it be the case that the 10.2% of people that did not die in December didn’t die at this time, because they had already died back in 2020?
Midazolam?
Also, in 2021 a very qualified person highlighted that the deaths of some people were not being registered in the actual month in which they died, but were held over and registered in later months in order to falsify the death records – by which the authorities exaggerated the number of deaths in particular months and blamed it on COVID-19.
Anyway, who has time for accusations of lying, COVID-19 fakery and genocide, when Russia is invading Ukraine?
We must push the illegalities of COVID-19 aside and sing “Give Peace a Chance” like good little plebs. The man-child Secretary-General of the UN, António Guterres, will sing tenor with his squeaky weepy female voice.
When this reaches Putin, he’ll be moved to tears and repent his trespassing into Ukraine. Then he’ll get back to fixing climate change.
Surely the fact that Russia has been banned from this years Eurovision song contest should be enough to make any rational leader reconsider what their doing.
What will really stop Putin in his tracks is if the Isle of Man follows through with the threat to stop exporting kippers to Russia. In love and war, there are some times that a man’s gotta do what a man’s gotta do, even if that means depriving others of their kippers! A tough but necessary means to an end.
I suspect that the drop is mainl because those who already were ill with one or more co-morbidities or were just very old back at the start of the pandemic died early (being effectively locked up was likely a huge contributory factor, as was not being able to see medical staff), thus less of a ‘pool’ for the figures – for the moment.
The next big ‘wave’ of deaths won’t be from COVID (assuming it ever existed at all – still not proven), but from the huge number of not or late diagnose and/or treated cancers, heart disease, etc, etc. I suspect though it won’t be sudden, but a gradual increase in deaths, or a flattening off of the existing pre-pademic decline in the death rate.
I would’ve assumed that lockdown deaths plus vaccine deaths should be pushing overall mortality above average by now, as seemed to be happening late last year.
January deaths being very low may just be a one off due to the very mild winter and very low number of flu deaths.
Sunday Eucharist at my local Church of England church showed some very encouraging signs. Pretty much zero mask wearing.
It’s hard for me to overstate how encouraging I find this (admittedly anecdotal) finding. But, all things considered, it seems like the upper-middle classes of England’s middle-aged to elderly have accepted the fact that covid isn’t the mortal peril they might have thought it was just a few weeks earlier.
We’ve won, chaps.
At my church this morning it was about 40%. Significantly lower than last week but still far too high.
I suspect there are some people who have been so terrified that they will never give up their masks
People in church, wearing masks are surely the living embodiment of those troops advised by Cromwell “Put your trust in God, my boys, and keep your powder dry”
“We’ve won, chaps.”
If you are not fully vaccinatedThis is what you need to do if you do not qualify under the fully vaccinated rules for travel to England.
Before you travel to England – not fully vaccinatedBefore you travel to England you must:
You will need to enter your PCR test booking reference number in the passenger locator form.
When you arrive in England – not fully vaccinatedYou do not need to quarantine when you arrive in England.
You must take the COVID-19 PCR test that you booked before you travelled.
You can take the test any time after you arrive and before the end of day 2 at the latest. The day you arrive in England is day 0.
If the test result is positive or unclear, you should follow public health advice.
At the moment I am not allowed to enter Canada, Australia, USA, France or Kenya, whilst the requirements are totally not acceptable, I am at least allowed to enter the UK.
But you are quite correct, these International vaccine travel bans and requirements do mean it is all far from over. With many people, it is now nearly over a year since they had their injections, which does rather beg the question as to where all these travel vaccine requirements are going?
Straight to hell with a bit of luck!
These down-votes are odd. If those are the facts for travelling, then that’s it – like it or not. It can’t be two dimwitted people – no-one is THAT dimwitted, surely?
Wanna bet?
“We’ve won, chaps”
I’m very glad that England is more or less fully open, on paper at least, barring the travel nonsense. I’m also glad that other countries are moving in a similar direction, some more slowly, some more quickly.
But I don’t think we’ve “won”. Most people IMO still think covid was/is exceptional and that it was right for governments to intervene in some way and that the vaxxes saved us. Very few people I know share my view that it has been one of the biggest, most pernicious and damaging lies ever told, and that the world went collectively mad. And we’re still vaxxing people like crazy, including kids. I think it will take many decades before the true extent of the folly and evil are recognised.
I agree. We are vulnerable to more of the same if the lies are still believed.
Liars on this scale – deadly liars – must be exposed.
It won’t be long until the great brainwashed see that the number of “unexplained” or “sudden” deaths just may be related to them falling for “doing their bit”. Hopefully hell hath no fury like a sacrificial lamb who sees the light!
If we’ve won, what’s the prize?
My local Waitrose ( yes, I know, dahling) is still packed full of virtue- signalling or spineless jellyfish. Biting my tongue gets more and more of a challenge!
I buy my spineless jellyfish at Lidl.
Unfortunately, it won’t take much to send them scrabbling for their muzzles again. It’s just a sneeze away…. just a hint on the Beeb that another ‘nasty germ’ is out to get them.
Police search units seek to find where the five-year average sank to.
How much did the mortality rate jump about in 2015-19?
Our great hero’s at Anonymous have suddenly stuck their twat heads above the parapet.
They are not, though, concerned with all the deaths and injuries caused by the needless gene therapies. Or by the scuzzbags in the US that stole an election and put a stuttering thieving imbecile in the White House.
No, none of above concerns these cretins. Instead, they are going to hack into Russian rifles and jam them.
The pandemic
is overthat never was.Sort-of. A pandemic is a WHO-declared state. There has never been a (paraphrasing Boris Johnson) very dangerous disease that’s especially very dangerous to people who didn’t have one of currently fashionable Sars-CoV2 vaccines.
The ‘postcard from Portugal’ that never was. You’ve had plenty of time to let us know the details.
The pandemic is over because it never actually started.
Yes indeed.
But where would we be without computers?
Would the world be a better place without them?
How on earth did we manage to previously exist?
I know one thing for sure, they certainly don’t aid critical thinking.
Want to know something – just google it, and it must be true.
Maybe.
The answer to your second question is “yes”.
Google is so passe. The truth is spouted by Twatter and Arsebook don’t you know?
Deaths got moved forward a few months, or at most years.
This is sad for those people above the mean life expectancy who lost a little time at the very end of their lives.
It’s far sadder for everybody else who lost two years of living, and the ending of any pretence that our regime works for us rather than ruling us by unfettered imperial fiat.
Liz Truss, who thinks the Mongol (Tatar) invasions of Ukraine were by different racial armies, encourages British people to go and fight in Ukraine.
I’d reckon the highly unqualified Truss read this instruction from a script which was handed to her. I’d wonder if she even knows who it is that invaded Ukraine? Iranians perhaps?
I wonder how this disgusting puerile advice by Truss will pan out when British Arabs decide to leave the UK to fight for some despot that is establishing a Caliphate, like ISIS?
All people that in the future want to leave the UK to fight for the setting up of despotic Caliphates will now have good grounds for charges of racial discrimination against any British government official that attempts to stop them – or bar them from the country on return.
And what about all the very dangerous people that are attempting to get back into the UK after committing acts of bestial savagery whilst fighting alongside ISIS in Iraq and Syria?
Encouraging British people to go and fight in Ukraine means that it is now blatant racial discrimination to bar people from returning to the UK because they went to fight in Iraq and Syria. Or perhaps the witless Truss intends banning those that go and fight the Russians in Ukraine from ever returning to the UK?
And besides all this, is it not a declaration of war by the UK against Russia for the British Foreign Secretary to tell British citizens to go to the Ukraine and kill Russian citizens?
Liz Truss?
The sheer stupidity of the people Schwab has doing his dirty work might eventually work against him and the WEF. How long before people open their eyes to the dangerous stupidity and infantilism of so many politicians?
Are we allowed to go to fight for Russia? Asking for a friend.
NO.
If you try it, they’ll do a Tommy Robinson on you, and throw you in jail where an ethic minority will feed you their excrement for breakfast, lunch and dinner. And throw urine on you whenever you take exercise.
They’ll spend enormous sums of money to transport you to a prison like this. So, if you are in the north of Scotland, they will bring you down to Brixton to serve your sentence.
If you survive, you’ll come out 10 stone lighter.
Schwab’s puppets don’t do shame.
Tommy Robinson is just another Israel sponsored puppet, as is the majority of the far right-wing you see in the public eye:
British Israelis go and serve in the terrorist Israeli armed forces all the f***ing time – and unfortunately Britain doesn’t strip them of citizenship.
In other news, BP has written off its 20% share in Rosneft. Ker-BANG!
Okay, which British high street bank do we think will go bust first? I reckon Santander.
In another lot of other news, there has reportedly been a godawfully huge explosion in Cherkasy, Ukraine.
Tut tut.
I bring to your attention:
Don’t you know that whilst the Foreign Secretary encourages you to go to Ukraine and kill Russian citizens, she forbids you from swearing in British save spaces like this?
C’on man, you’ll hurt some troll’s feelings.
Are there any grown-ups who can explain the Foreign Enlistment Act 1870 Section 4 to Truss?
As far as I’m aware, we haven’t declared war on Russia, so any enlistment to fight them would be an offence.
Anyone unclear on this might want to look into how we’ve treated the volunteers who signed up with the Kurds to remove kebab in Iraq. Verbal invitations from the Foreign Secretary of the week won’t protect you from prosecution when the mood music changes.
Erm, there’s probably no one that can be defined as being biologically adult in Westminster or Whitehall.
Schwab likes his middle-management to be infantile and egotistical. I think he sources them when they are very young. He watches children playing doctors and nurses on a Saturday afternoon and earmarks the thuggish bully-type that ignores the games’ rules and dominates and lords it over the other children.
Schwab then elevates this thuggish type through education, the private sector and into politics. This would explain why they had to get colleges and universities used to grade-inflation and affirmative action.
All thuggish bully-types have a reptilian view of the world. There are those that are above them and those that are below them. The thuggish bully-types will kiss the butts of the former and walk all over the latter.
The thuggish bully-types are essentially like animals in a pack – throw bread to a flock of pigeons and watch the pecking order they assume as they feed. They thuggish bully-types know nothing but a hierarchy; they’ll cower from those above them and lash out and beat those below them.
Schwab loves this type, because they’ll kiss his ring, and will urinate on whomever he instructs them to.
Liz Truss, is yet another example of an arrogant delusional government minister, Foreign Secretary no less, promoted far in excess of any apparent ability, she appears childishly out of her depth, making grandiose statements while smirking, pretending to be a strong woman, all the time betraying barely the slightest comprehension of geopolitical conflict with a nuclear power.
She doesn’t seem to understand how embarassing she is in post….cringeworthy. Is there anyone in that Cabinet with a shred of genuine gravitas? They are all posturing, all pathetic to hear.
Try this for gravitas: https://asiatimes.com/2022/02/get-out-of-the-ukraine-mess-and-avoid-nuclear-war/
From the link:
At all costs, the United States has to do its very best to calm the Russians down and avoid a war that will spread rapidly if it is not contained, its underlying causes not ameliorated.
“Calming down” is not something at which US administrations tend to excel.
Indeed, the limit of her ability is jetting around the world to sign trade treaties drawn up by competent people, and do cringe-worthy Lady Thatcher imitations for photo-ops.
I’m glad that her incompetence has been revealed before the inevitable leadership challenge, although I’m really struggling to see any decent, realistic candidates to replace Princess Nut-Nut’s husband who wouldn’t be as bad, or worse.
There must have been smirking classes at Mr Swab’s School for Useful Idiots. Ardern did well, I believe.
We knew everything crucial about the disease by the end of Feb 2020 from the Diamond Princess, bar the invulnerability of children. I assume we knew that from Lombardy and Spain.
So all the hoo-ha was pure loss. The loss of lives because of closed hospital wards, the loss of education in schools and universities, the deaths of despair, the abandoned old folk in the care homes, the sundered families – all pure loss, no benefits.
I suspect that the vaccines will prove to be loss generators too, as will emerge as the years roll by.
All for an epidemic that was effectively over by June 2020. Our rulers, civil servants, “scientists”, doctors, school teachers have let the rest of us down with massive cruelty. And they’ll none of them pay a price.
They have to be made to pay a price: on a scale graded for degrees of perfidy.
They are trying to jab as many people as possible so that their great reset aka depopulation plan work. If I get sick I will take my Ivermectin that I stashed just in case and leave rest to God. When i searched where I can get ivm on google I couldn’t find exactly what I was looking for. Every search query was censored. If I can save 1 person that will use this product instead of going to icu and plugged into ventilators that will burst her/his lungs. that is enough for me. I feel good when I put a spoke in big pharma’s wheel. If you want to get Ivermectin you can visit https://ivmpharmacy.com
Not sure where to put this.
but in a sad situation here is a ironic website. Look at the first update.
https://www.euronews.com/travel/2022/02/07/what-s-the-latest-on-european-travel-restrictions
Does the Russian army have unjabbed amongst their ranks? If so, they’ll have to quarantine.
It is interesting to see how many countries are connected to the EU Digital COVID Certificate (EUDCC).
Just shows how well the vaccines are working!
Bad news for my dignity shares
The pandemic was OVER November 2020 / December 2020 with relatively few excess deaths. What we have seen is massive numbers of elderly dying (midazolam?), consequential deaths and vaccine deaths
Quelle sur- effin-prise! But let’s not let actual data get in the way of “The Narrative”. Can’t wait for the next excuse/ variant/ international crisis (… oh, wait…) to come along to impose economic hardships and pump the latest episode of Project Fear on the population as per the WEF handbook.