We are publishing a guest post today by Dr. Peter Hayes, a Senior Lecturer in Politics at the University of Sunderland, pointing out that when it comes to vaccinating healthy 12-15 year-olds the Government can no longer claim to be following the science.
“Follow The Science” has been the defining slogan of Covid policymaking for the past year and a half. However, we may now be at turning point. On September 3rd, that august and scientific body The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) advised not to start vaccinating otherwise healthy 12-15 year-olds. The Government, however, seems likely to set about vaccinating them anyway.
In his letter to chief medical officers, Health Secretary Sajid Javid says that the JCVI is against vaccination of 12-15 year olds because its margin of benefit against harm is “too small” and tacitly suggests that the officers come up with something to enable him to override this advice. However, Javid’s spin on the committee’s advice is misleading. It is not only the marginal benefits of the vaccine but also the unknown extent of its harms that has led the JCVI to recommend against it.
(1) The JCVI states that in advising whether or not to vaccinate it has focused on “the benefit to children and young people themselves, weighed against any potential harms from vaccination”, and that it has done this to the exclusion of other issues such as cost.
(2) It states that overall “the benefits from vaccination are marginally greater than the potential known harms” [emphasis added].
If the benefits are greater, albeit only marginally, it might seem logical for the JCVI to approve of extending the vaccination program. The reason it does not is because of an important proviso. There is uncertainty, the JCVI says, about what the harms the vaccine might have in the medium to long term. There is, therefore, an asymmetry between our knowledge of the extent of the benefits of the vaccine and the extent of its harms. It is known perfectly well that the maximum benefit is small because even if it is assumed to protect every healthy child aged 12-15 from serious illness, very few become seriously ill anyway. The question of maximum harm is more open ended. In particular, the JCVI expresses concern over the very rare side effect of myocarditis. In the short term, the JCVI states, patients recover, but in the medium to longer term there is “the possibility of persistence of tissue damage resulting from inflammation”. Therefore, the JCVI argument is not simply that the marginal benefits are too small to recommend vaccination. It is that the benefits at best are small, and that while the known harms are marginally smaller, the unknowns might change this balance for the worse.
The JCVI also comments that while the effect of the vaccine on transition rates is uncertain, in its view any impact “may be relatively small”. This is significant when it comes to efforts to justify the vaccination of 12-15 year-olds on social and educational grounds. Although rather vague, such justifications implicitly assume a significant reduction in rates of transition.
The willingness of the JCVI to engage in critical scrutiny of the vaccination rollout has not been all that much in evidence in the past. No wonder the Government was unpleasantly surprised by its refusal to rubber stamp an extension to 12-15 year-olds. Perhaps the committee is heading out in a new direction. But more to the point, we are left with the question of the new direction taken by the Government.
If it is no longer following ‘the Science’, who is it following?
Stop Press: A senior panjandrum at the British Medical Association has said 12 year-olds should be able to overrule their parents to get a Covid vaccine because they’re “mature enough” – but admits jabbing teens will only cut infections by 20%.
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The Xi-ence, of course.
Or Psy-ence…
Who do YOU think they are following, Toby? Either your man Boris is an evil bastard, OR he’s a spineless prick taking orders from a different evil bastard.
Toby’s lack of outrage is becoming more concerning by the day; we all have red lines but not Toby it seems.
The problem is that they want to just say the policies are bad, not those who thought of them (admitedly with some pushing on both sides from the so-called ‘government experts’ [this time it’s the ministers pushing them to get 12-15yo children jabbed]).
Unless there was a REALLy credible alternative to the Tories nationally – and frankly, as much as I’d like them to, Richard Tice and the Reform Party and the various others have barely a voice, and where they are saying ‘something’, it’s certainly not enough – especially where the vaccines, covid passports and lockdown measures generally are concerned.
They are also very quiet on other(non-COVID) issues that the government has been either getting seriously wrong of late, despite the 80 seat majority, such as HS2, Afganistan, border security / immigrantion, Policing, wokeness in government depts and Quangos, ‘Green issues’, plus (even factoring out COVID spending) Labour-levels of spending.
Many of us had to vote Tory in 2019’s General Election because we had no alternative and had to keep Corbyn out, but this government has been one huge disappointment after another, then COVID kicked off and they ramped it up even more, and sprinkled a WEF agenda on top.
Practically the whole of mainstream politicians – both in parliament and at local level – needs to be essentially swept away at every electoral opportunity. The Reform Party should’ve been a) negotiating with all the other similar ones to unify under one banner, then b) campaigned HARD on all the above (and more) to get across they are a credible alternative to the mainstream/establishment parties and to hammer home all the bad, failed policies from them that have got us to where we are. They also need to be and widely publicising the anti-lockdown (etc) marches and ensuring they all go off peacefully.
A lot of people (scared or oblivious/naive normies) still have no idea how bad things really are and will get over the coming years because of the decisions made in the last 18+ months at the very least. What’s so sad is that as bad as things are in the UK, it’s a LOT worse (and will get even more so) in other English-speaking Western nations such as the US, Canada, New Zealand and Australia.
Completely agree with your analysis; as no other current “party” has effectively voted against the Tories , bar a few “mavericks”, these career politicos are all tainted’ ergo they failed the Litmus Test of exercising personal judgement in a crisis in favour of toeing the line – another indicator of said “failure”.
I want MPs salaries to be scrapped; be sponsored but fully disclose the sponsorship. I want the fluff degree apparatchiks to be incapable of occupying political positions of power – evidence of any benefit to date being derived from these creatures is as illusory as a “positive RT-PCR test done at 41 CT”.
However I think the fear will be ramped again and the Tories will prevail in the dirtiest most mendacious election ever, characterised by “fact checkers” employed to justify their record. Won’t fool me – Richard Tice had better get his campaigning and recruiting arse in gear and start by persuading a battalion of recently retired military to sign on – I cannot see Johnson, if he still leads these liars – competing for credibility up against ex serving officers , NCO’s and PBI.
A seismic shift too far for some. – where else is there a “pool” of experience to be called on – where is a “Cromwell” when you need one?
The money and power!!! Look no further than Bill and Klaus and you won’t go far wrong… It’s soooo obvious if you’d just take off your rose-tinted specs!
Satan.
Yes?
Although, yes, this is an obvious question, Toby, unlike 99% of the spineless journalists who should be asking it, but don’t, IS putting it up here. And, of course, we get the usual carping from some on here…thanks Toby.
Well said!
Im sure by the weekend the puppet politicians would have been given, by their controllers, a new group of scientists who are willing to sell their souls to support ‘The Projects’ agenda.
They’ve got to protect their phoney baloney jobs, but the interesting question is who are they protecting their jobs FROM?
Poor Toby still pretending his Oxford chums are the good guys lol. He’ll maybe get there after his kids get coerced by their school into taking the ‘vaccine’ ?
What’s a few dead kids after all?
He recently lost his young half sister so regardless of your feelings, I would suggest a little more sensitivity.
Sad for his loss but I’m unsure as to why you think that should change the message I’m trying to convey?
No matter how sinister this whole affair has gotten, he’s always been unwilling to consider that his former associate’s may be compromised.
Please don’t try to guilt me into withholding my opinions again.
Well have some fuckin manners.
Piss off.
Folks , doesn’t do the “cause” or “argument” much good to try and wrestle back control of these islands by adopting highly personal attacks on people attempting to put information out to spotlight this madness – especially in the light of personal tragedies – have “we” lost the capacity for compassion since the end of 2019?.
Divide ….and rule.
I have been a tad guilty myself, mea culpa but no more – I could have descended into this from recent exchanges with other(s) who are determined, for example, to persuade all that these jabs are “vaccines”. Everyone reading this blog will have sought other information on this and related subjects – even when presented with verifiable information that, eg, Pfizer describe their jab as a gene therapy because of the “editing” function ( ref Dr David Martin and others) it does not cut any ice with such people – “vaccines are vaccines” – classic “the Kings new clothes”.
Current battles are not going well despite success in skirmishes – the war will be won or lost at the next election – all efforts to be concentrated on that I reckon.
Money, control and power-crazedness.
Given the hoo-ha over the £20
UC supplement, my understanding is that each dose of Pfizer poison costs £22.
Says a lot about the government.
£22 is the amount GPs will get paid for each child jabbed, whether or not the GP administers it. The cost of the purchasing the poison is an add on.
I wonder if the JCVI decision is because they have just been served a Notice of Liability by Anna de Bergerac and her team. Yes I got her surname wrong but can’t spell it.
She could serve one on others, couldn’t she?
Whitty, Vallance and van Tam are as qualified (or not) as the members of JCVI.
From the interview she gave yesterday there will be nobody left out rest assured.
and it should be delivered to all involved in this scam – MP’s , HoL, quango management, NHS management – the list is long.
The Government is following Agenda 21 and 30. All going to plan.
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It is following mediaeval cultism.
If you really want to know who is in charge, you have to realise who you cannot criticise…
Follow the money I say. Its a great pity we cannot look into the holdings of the Cabinet and advisors and their families and spouses. I suspect going down the Rabbit hole of Ferguson, Van Tam, Whitty, and Valance and Michy and their families finances might lead to something, likewise the Johnsons and the rest of the cabinet. But never going to happen. Whats a few childrens lives and futures when important people and their careers are at stake
But it’s not just the UK’s politicians, it’s politicians across every developed country, they’re all pushing the same agenda to vaccinate children.
Check out The Sheep Farm. They’ve done a lot of research about this. Podcasts are a touch long but they’re funny and they’ve got some good info.
V interesting thread by Tanya Kymenko on Twitter, she of HART, saying the JCVI always lean towards vaxxing, and that she thinks their refusal to say yes this time means they are hearing some very seriously bad news from the US and are covering themselves.
Sadly for some this is what it is going to take to snap themselves out of their mesmerised state. I feel so sorry for the children being let down by their witless parents.
I think also that some of the more savvy scientists and clinicians on the ‘expert’ pandels are starting to see the general Public slowly begin to push back on the authoritarian measures and the guesswork dressed up as facts’ that have been pushed for the last 18 months, and are starting to change their tune to be more in line with the changing winds of public opinion.
Even the Telegraph has started to go that way – though they’s both still got a LONG way to go, and we won’t be seeing any abject apologies either. In the end, they’ll all want to blame eachother if the bogeymen of China, Russia or the ‘far Right’ cannot be.
Too late for that; JCVI cannot be independent given they recommended these jabs back in December 2020 – they now have an omelette on their faces, just like the MHRA.
Quote from JVT, June 2021 (covid-19-vaccines-frequently-asked-questions):
The JCVI does not generally recommend specific vaccines for specific patient groups, apart from adults under 40 where they have said it may be preferable to offer an alternative to the AstraZeneca (Oxford) vaccine, and pregnant women where they have expressed a preference for Pfizer or Moderna because we have data from the US rollout on these vaccines being used for pregnant women
Please read the June 2021 minutes, draft available from here: minutes of JCVI meetings
Please read, but don’t jump to conclusions, the conflicts of interest pages at the end of the document: one board member is in bed with Pfizer, same person engaged in work on Remdesivir – He is the one who appeared in a press briefing recently about the safety of the “jab” for children. Only Board members are required to confirm conflicting interests – the others, including “Medical Advisor Jonathan Van Tamm” …are not. Intrigued if anyone can spot anyone participating as disclosed in the list of “attendees” who is professionally qualified to contribute but not aligned with “connected parties”….?
General Principle has to be that if “you” are deciding on issues which require assessment of drugs from manufacturers from whom ANY funding for ANY research is also received by “you” or entities of which “you” are a member – you have to recuse yourself from those decisions to avoid ANY possibility of coi. Same with advice from, say, WHO requiring action to be taken – if you are also acting in ANY other capacity for , say the WHO and are also sitting on the quango board or committee deciding whether to adopt or not – recuse yourself to avoid coi.
Whats that I hear “you” say – “its always been like this, and you don’t understand the highly complex and technically difficult process how health/medications are developed and approved”.
Well I do , and “precisely”!
W.H.O is it following/taking orders from?..The $cience.
To my mind, the focus on immediate adverse responses for 12-15 year olds is misplaced. While important if you are the one who goes down with a carditis, a clot, or heart attack within a few days or weeks, what about the years ahead?
Children’s bodies at 12-15 years (probably more like 11-18) are developing quickly, particularly the reproductive system. We cannot yet know anything at all about the impact of injection on future fertility. I believe that this issue alone should make us all nervous of injecting children with this drug without a slowly, and carefully, monitored long term trial.
There are those who say the spike protein leaves the injection site, which was initially not believed to happen as told to us by the pharma companies. The spike protein may then accumulate in other organs, including ovaries, causing various levels of physiological reaction as it is a provocation to the immune and blood clotting systems.
We have read women suffer adverse menstrual responses post vaccination. Two of my three (30 something) daughters can attest to this. See here: https://mycyclestory.com/home/about/
Covid injections do not stop transmission of the virus as is now widely reported so it will still happen with children.
Recovering from natural infection confers significantly greater immune resistance to reinfection in the future so why not just rely on nature and its course?
We are being harangued with the story that other countries have already started, so why don’t we? Let us take a look at the biggest population, the USA. This study was published in July 2021[1]
The US CDC emergency use approved injecting the Pfizer / Biontec drug into 12-15 year olds only in May 2021. The drug was trialled on12-15 year olds, 1,131with the drug and 1,129 on placebo from October 2020 to January 2021. The efficacy was judged by the fact that in a two month follow up, no injected child got Covid while 16 in the placebo group did. Is that good enough?
I do find this statement in the referenced paper somewhat interesting.
“Pfizer was responsible for the trial design and conduct, data collection, data analysis, data interpretation, and writing of the manuscript that was submitted. Both Pfizer and BioNTech manufactured the vaccine and placebo. BioNTech was the regulatory sponsor of the trial and contributed to data interpretation and writing of the manuscript.”
We are meant to accept a “truth” for the safety and efficacy for a drug to be injected into our children from a trial totally under the control of the company who will most benefit financially, and who by the way has full immunity from prosecution for any damage caused.
They also state:
“Data on longer-term safety and the duration of efficacy and antibody responses in children are not yet available.”
So why the rush? Why not follow through to determine longer term (whatever that might mean) safety?
To my mind, there is also a question over the ethnic diversity of the tested children, 86% of who were white, 12% Hispanic or Latinx. Can such a mix be deemed appropriate against the real ethnic distribution in the population?
So based on a very small, indeed tiny in my view, ethnically skewed sample of healthy children, millions are subsequently injected? I can’t see how this speed of push through of a still experimental, emergency use authorised drug to a whole population is right.
[1] https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa2107456 Safety, Immunogenicity, and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 Covid-19 Vaccine in Adolescents
And the 16 who ‘got Covid’ had what symptoms, exactly?
Bit of a sniffle?
“Latinx”? Who are you, Joe Biden?
Just reporting as written in the paper!
You are absolutely correct and we are left with two real alternatives: either the intention is to kill, maim or sterilise as many people as possible, or there are (panicky) underlying financial reasons (see my post below). It’s hard to comprehend the horror we are witnessing, but if I had to put money on it, I’d say the intention was to make the population dependent on these drugs and tied to a never-ending treadmill of variants, boosters and technocratic vaccine status. For those of us who didn’t fall for the marketing campaign (aka Pandemic), the argument for changing our mind has been lost forever. The fear campaign has failed.
Sadly the mask wearing group of parents around the school gates yesterday in Wales on a hot sunny afternoon where scowls and distancing were directed at those who dared to breath fresh air is the problem. Covid19 is now a cult following and the uniform is a mask with membership being a vaccine passport.
“There are those who say the spike protein leaves the injection site, which was initially not believed to happen as told to us by the pharma companies. The spike protein may then accumulate in other organs, including ovaries, causing various levels of physiological reaction as it is a provocation to the immune and blood clotting systems.”
Recommend you view Dr Ryan Cole, US Pathologist as well as others – he demonstrates that the element of the jab that induces the spike protein does indeed leave the injection site via the blood stream and hence causes inflammation throughout the body including the via breaching the blood:brain barrier; confirmed by autopsies in Germany, by US scientists isolating it in 18 of 21 chromosomes by all accounts.
“which was initially not believed to happen as told to us by the pharma companies”; did not Mike Yeadon comment that no pharmakinetic research was done in the experimental trials? I believe he said that no investigation of the transit of the jab at the injection site or throughout the body was done; I also remember some scientists confirming that the mechanics of the gene editing therapy were such that clotting was bound to happen as night follows day but could have been avoided if a different method was adopted – and which technique was contemporaneously available; does anyone else remember this?
Big Pharma and Bill Gates (as indicated by Dominic Cummings at the May 26th Select Committee hearing).
It should be abundantly clear to everyone that vaccines are to be the basis of a new economic system, and that the conversion to this new order requires just about all humans to be on the system with a unique centralised ID, including children (I believe they would eventually be talking about jabbing newborns for this reason).
However, their attempt to create the conditions in which the general public accept this is in the process of falling apart, and I believe they have now missed their golden opportunity. Enough information has got out about the harm caused by the jabs to put off millions of people, who are now deeply entrenched in their opposition and will not relent. It’s not hesitancy any more, it’s adamancy. In the UK the percentage is therefore capped at about 70% give or take, but in the US it’s just above 50% and Australia is a mere 25%. So there will be panicky conversations going on amongst the financial elites as to what to do next. You can’t round up 150,000,000 people (US) and put them in a quarantine camp. And further attempts to marginalise or prevent them from accessing the economy will backfire as they will be forced to ‘show their teeth’ and will no longer look like the concerned benevolent overlords they have thus far pretended to be.
I’m lead to believe that all of this takes place in the context of a financial collapse which the parasite billionaire class were hoping to control with the rushed adoption of central bank digital currency but I believe it’s slipping away from then. They can’t even agree on the underlying technology because of course, they are the greediest and most unprincipled humans on Earth.
The alternative to their dystopia is a sudden uncontrolled collapse which will be very ugly, but at least we’ll be in control of our own destiny. So I believe we should continue to make it very difficult for them by refusing to comply with any of their bullshit, and do so from a position of strength. The case for mass vaccination of the healthy has already been lost, to anyone with a still functioning brain. My guess at this point is that they will drop covid (or risk truly incriminating themselves; they’re already guilty of crimes punishable by death) and try to distract us with something else and hope we forget about it. But we will never forget what they’ve done.
I concur re: mass vaccination; should have been/must now be mass early treatment which would automatically have reduced the stress on Hospitals.
So Boris has massacred the NHS rather than saving it, and SAGE/Ferguson/ICL etc etc etc are codefendants in the crime of this century so far, unnecessary jabbing and ADE rampant this winter.
WEF. WHO. Welcome… and all the other evils in this world. Not a single person on the planet has had a ‘Covid Vaccine‘ – Lots of people have been subjected to experimental mRNA injections. Loving the Radio 4 Nuremberg Series. Interesting how the Beeb are trying to warn us in other ways: Updated information, resources and useful links: https://www.LCAHub.org/
Toby, the only real difference between you and James Delingpole is that you assume that the government acts in good faith, James believes they don’t. Time is already telling us who has been right all along, and it isn’t you. It is not too late to admit it.
Good faith might have been true and evident in late 2019…as we stand in September 2021 it can no longer be so; TY, I support your/your teams efforts 100% but I must say it is no longer so that Boris & Co are acting in “good faith”. It might be serial incompetence, “Long Ignorance”, it might also be “Canutian” mindsets unwilling and/or unable to rewind, reconsider, and it might be very Shakespearian with all the combined feeds into Boris/Number 10/Cabinet Office etc acting as a collective “Iago” element – or no one in these positions of power and influence ]daring to publicly admit and disclose what they certainly understand to be true – or a bit of everything and more besides as I am not omniscient – but imho, “good faith” flew out the window a long time ago.
If it is because of some feeling of “loyalty” to BJ and others for whatever reason, please reconsider that – “the gloves are off”.
The government has never really been following the science, only its own agenda. It is not that, as many claim, the government only NOW makes its independent decisions regardless of scientific advice. It is rather that they have always been doing this while creating a straw man called “The Science” that they elevate upon a pedestal and pretend to worship as the main mover and shaker of all policy decisions.
This divergence of the manoeuvring of the state from what the God of Science writes in tablets of stone, has always been happening. It’s only now that a high-profile and respected organisation like the JCVI splits from the state’s chosen policy that we start to notice that they don’t really care and are not motivated by the scientific method.
The other atrocity contained in the justification offered in defence of converting our children into human shields for teachers and geriatrics by exposing them to unlicensed, experimental medical substances of unquantified long term side effect risk is the claim that “it is necessary to prevent disruption to their schooling”.
The disruption to their schooling isn’t caused by the pathogen. It’s caused by militant, workshy teachers Unions who would prefer their members sit at home on full pay with Netflix and a box of Roses than to teach our children.
I believe there are many diligent, hardworking teachers who are as repelled by their Unions as we are. As hard as it might be, they should stand up now. Ironically — there is strength in numbers.
Communism at its finest.
If they are so great at decision making why don’t we change public perception that they are children that don’t know what they are doing and jail them like adults.
The government is following the evil man holding all the purse strings, who has been systematically ingratiating himself on society as a philanthropist for years…wake up folks.
I feel sure your question must be rhetorical Toby for we know that true science has never been allowed into this – only ‘the science’ that nodded along with Ferguson’s characteristically flawed predictions and the smug desires of the likes of Gates and Blair? That in itself should be enough to cause outrage
In 2009, we had the Swine Flu scandal but memories are very short.
According to the Health Council of Brussels it was one of the greatest medical scandals of the century and its health chief accused major pharmaceutical firms of orchestrating a campaign of panic and unduly influencing the WHO. What happened to the enquiry? Who learned from it? The news of the scandal, and the way that governments had been tricked into buying millions of doses of unnecessary vaccines broke on Channel 4 news, read by John Snow. Where are they now?
It would appear that the major pharmaceutical corporations and their investors learned the most from any enquiry and decided to invest heavily in the media so that the narrative could be controlled from the outset without criticism. Some of same players in that scandal are at the heart of this one – Ferguson for one.
We are being played by absolute criminals. No question about it. The only quesiton that remains is what do we do about it? What can we do? Here is the clip from Channel 4 in 2009. It keeps being taken down of course…. but keeps popping up again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV1IZVT_LCE
Was any of science to begin with!?