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Reports of Reinfection With the Delta Variant are Greatly Exaggerated

by Will Jones
9 July 2021 5:04 PM

There are reports today that the Delta variant is much more likely to reinfect people than the Alpha variant. The Telegraph has the story.

People who have previously caught Covid are now more likely to be reinfected because of the delta variant, a study has found.

Laboratory analysis revealed that the mutation that originated in India is four times more able to overcome protective antibodies from a previous infection compared to the U.K.’s alpha variant.

The study also found that a single dose of either the Pfizer or AstraZeneca vaccines provided just 10% protection against the delta variant.

The variant was already thought to be up to 60% more infectious than the version which swept the U.K. last winter.

The findings, published in the journal Nature, help explain why the virus is spreading so quickly, particularly among younger adults, fewer of whom are double-vaccinated.

It’s important to be aware that this is just a set of laboratory tests on one virus sample. It involves no examination of real world reinfection rates.

Furthermore, it only tests antibodies, not T cells, so is not giving a full picture of the immune system’s response. As the authors admit, one limitation of the study is “the lack of characterisation of cellular immunity, which may be more cross-reactive than the humoral response”.

The claim that a single dose of the vaccines only gives 10% protection against infection with the Delta variant is also not based on any measurement of real world infection rates but on how many of the antibody blood samples “neutralised” the virus in the virus sample. While it may be true that one dose of the vaccines gives limited protection against the Delta variant, this is not the way to quantify it.

The study argues its findings suggest the need to vaccinate those previously infected to boost their immunity: “These results strongly suggest that vaccination of previously infected individuals will be most likely protective against a large array of circulating viral strains, including variant Delta.”

However, without studies on cellular immunity and real world reinfection rates such a conclusion would be very premature.

Real world data suggests the threat is overblown. Public Health England today reports on the latest reinfection data from the SIREN study of healthcare workers, stating that “reinfections remain at very low numbers in individuals previously either PCR positive or seropositive”. There have been just 16 potential reinfections between April and June 27th in the 44,546 people in the cohort, of which over 9,800 have confirmed previous infections. While 95% of the group are fully vaccinated, only one of the 16 possible reinfections was in the 5% who are unvaccinated. This strongly suggests the real world risk of reinfection, whether vaccinated or unvaccinated, is very small.

With regard to comparison with the Alpha variant, the graph below from the SIREN study shows that reinfection with the Alpha variant (the winter peak), while still small numbers in absolute terms, has so far been much more common than with the Delta variant.

PHE

Reinfection with mild or no symptoms as the immune system tops up its defences is not an inconceivable scenario in immunological terms. However, the idea that reinfection with the Delta variant is a major problem for which new interventions are required is, on current data, pure fearmongering.

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago

Caption competition

‘Spicy sausages now being used in fight against variant’

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Cecil B
Cecil B
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Pepperami is very good against the Deltaroni

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Annie
Annie
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Chorizo tastes better and really spices up your antiviral life.

Last edited 4 years ago by Annie
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William Gruff
William Gruff
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

Product placement?

Last edited 4 years ago by William Gruff
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HeresJohnny
HeresJohnny
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

The government advocates eating at least seven pepperonis before breakfast, that may decrease the transmission by 77% for 33 days. This should be repeated after every booster jab.
The unvaccinated granny killers are forbidden from this procedure – they are unworthy.

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miketa1957
miketa1957
4 years ago
Reply to  Cecil B

I told the wife that she needed to eat two spicy sausages a day, rather than the normal one a month.

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iane
iane
4 years ago
Reply to  miketa1957

No answer to that!

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dhid
dhid
4 years ago
Reply to  miketa1957

Hopefully you check which spicy sausages she is eating.

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George L
George L
4 years ago
Reply to  miketa1957

A spicy sausage a day keeps the lodger at bay..

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nayim
nayim
4 years ago

Ivermectin for the World Paperback – June 15, 2021
by Justus R Hope (Author)

On May 1, 2021, the Ebook, the first edition of Ivermectin for the World, was released as a call to action for the use of Ivermectin to end the humanitarian crisis in India with the COVID-19 Pandemic. Cases had surged to 414,000 per day, and deaths exceeded 4,000 per day. There was no end in sight – until the country adopted Ivermectin. As a direct result of the use of Ivermectin, cases and deaths in India dropped immediately, and the crisis in India was averted. The second edition of the book, Ivermectin for the World, documented these results in real time, through articles and reports using data and graphs from the Johns Hopkins University Center for Systems Science and Engineering, the JHUCSSE.
Among the highlights include the reprinted Desert Review articles, “Ivermectin Obliterates 97 percent of Delhi Cases,” and “Tamil Nadu Leads India in New Infections, Denies Citizens Ivermectin.”
Following this, it became nearly impossible to deny the effectiveness of Ivermectin. A natural experiment in India developed, where one state, Tamil Nadu, outlawed Ivermectin, while others, including Goa, Uttarakhand, and Uttar Pradesh embraced it, and the divergence in cases and deaths left no doubt about Ivermectin’s effectiveness, indeed at greater magnitudes than the vaccine.
This book provides the history, the science, and the experience of India in quelling their COVID-19 crisis with Ivermectin. We have released this second edition and paperback version of Ivermectin for the World with another call to action, this time for Indonesia to use Ivermectin to help with their humanitarian crisis which mirrors India’s recent situation.
Ivermectin for the World, and its author, join with the British Ivermectin Development Panel, the Evidenced-Based Medical Consultancy and the FLCCC in calling for the immediate and widespread use of Ivermectin in Indonesia to end their crisis, just as India so successfully did. We call for the world to adopt Ivermectin, not instead of the vaccines, but in addition to them.
The hope is that the world and the public can break through the censorship and misinformation about this safe drug, and see the truth contained in this anthology of the Pandemic and learn from its use in India, Slovakia, and Mexico, where those countries conquered COVID-19 within weeks of adopting Ivermectin.

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WorriedCitizen
WorriedCitizen
4 years ago
Reply to  nayim

“ We call for the world to adopt Ivermectin, not instead of the vaccines, but in addition to them.”

This is currently not possible or feasible as to admit there is a safe and effective treatment would cancel all current EUAs.

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Glynthepin
Glynthepin
4 years ago
Reply to  WorriedCitizen

And is the reason the truth about the efficacy of Ivermectin has been blocked by the various vested interests from governments to pharmaceutical corporations around the world.

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JayBee
JayBee
4 years ago

They are making things up as they go along and as they need to.
That’s all.
And they have plenty of Prof. Mengeles and little Goebbels and Streichers who are cooperating most eagerly.

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George L
George L
4 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

They also have a whole army of more than willing councillors throughout the land all trained in East German methods..

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  JayBee

Shakespeare called it “paltering” – a useful, largely forgotten verb, It’s true in its limited terms, but its whole purpose is to deceive. Macbeth, in which the nature of evil and its exponential growth when given power and time, obviously, is the theme, focuses much attention on this kind of lie.
The Faucists palter constantly, and it is a sign of the depth of their evil.

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lorrinet
lorrinet
4 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

An interesting and useful verb. I shall add it to my vocabulary henceforth.

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helenf
helenf
4 years ago

What’s a “virus sample”? I didn’t think anyone had actually isolated the virus yet.

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milesahead
milesahead
4 years ago
Reply to  helenf

They haven’t.

The whole thing stinks.

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago
Reply to  milesahead

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/a-manufactured-illusion-dr-david-martin-with-reiner-fuellmich-9-7-21_hPChWe1no7nxGDM.html

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dhid
dhid
4 years ago
Reply to  helenf

“What’s a “virus sample”? “

Whatever they want it to be probably.

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
4 years ago

In simple English and no offence to Will Jones:

What a load of Bollox.

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swedenborg
swedenborg
4 years ago

Thanks for high lightning this much quoted article during the last days. Looking at the article I find it extraordinary that they are discussing just one patient sample and drawing all these conclusions from a single strain. I find it astonishing that a scientific paper like Nature would accept such an article based upon one sample.  This could perhaps merit a Letter  but not an article. Then using this article widely as scaremongering and an excuse to vaccinate persons is ludicrous considering the low quality of the study.

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

It is clear that medical journals are highly corrupted.
I wonder whether it could be a coincidence that this comes after the CDC has been saying there is no evidence of a need for boosters? Which would undermine the profit strategy of Pfizer and other rna vaccine makers.

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Dodderydude
Dodderydude
4 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

Sandra

This article will probably be of interest to you…

https://off-guardian.org/2021/07/07/covid19-the-final-nail-in-coffin-of-medical-research/

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George L
George L
4 years ago
Reply to  Dodderydude

Yes that’s an excellent article on off-guardian. A must read for anyone who wants to get a true picture of an appalling situation. The amount of corruption in pharmaceutical and medical professions/industries is staggeringly mind boggling..

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  Dodderydude

Thank you, far from Doddery. I have added it to Favourites. I could see from reading research that many or most were simple begging tools for income: “More research needed”, but that you have to pay thousands of dollars to get published in many medical journals!
What would happen was obvious.
Current academic medicine must fall with Fauci.

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

Before the shit-show, the editor of the Lancet admitted to the tremendous pressure put on medical journals by the pharmaceutical industry.

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Epi
Epi
4 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

“It is clear that medical journals are highly corrupted.”

Pure speculation but might one be allowed to think there may just be an incy whincy bit of B Gates’s money involved somewhere here? Just saying.

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George L
George L
4 years ago
Reply to  Epi

Nah.. Bill would never do anything as low ball. He’s an upright, upfront global citizen.. ha ha..

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George L
George L
4 years ago
Reply to  swedenborg

Nature is well ensconced in this particular little game, like many other so called professional publications. Totally bought and paid for. Nature if I recall was and probably still is fully signed up to the climate change hoax..

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Jed Robinson
Jed Robinson
4 years ago

It should be pointed out that the vaccines only confer humoral immunity. Infection confers both cellular and humoral immunity, Also it appears the IgA response following infection is targeted to the upper respiratory tract mucosa. Vaccine induced IgA does not appear as active in that area so initial infection is less robustly targeted. No wonder there are so many ‘breakthrough’ infections with the vaccinated yet so few reports of reinfection.

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MikeAustin
MikeAustin
4 years ago

So what? Deaths below average since the beginning of March and very few people actually ill with it. Just stop the damn testing and forget about it!

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huxleypiggles
huxleypiggles
4 years ago
Reply to  MikeAustin

Correct.

Hasn’t some dickhead government scientist confirmed today that in order to reach the predicted 100,000 “cases” per day some 660,000 tests per day will be required?

And that being the case the NHS will be overwhelmed.

Stop fuckin testing healthy people you moron.

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Epi
Epi
4 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

I know I’m a simpleton but does anyone know why all these people are getting tested? Answers on a postcard please to ………

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William Gruff
William Gruff
4 years ago
Reply to  Epi

Because they are simpletons.

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George L
George L
4 years ago
Reply to  William Gruff

That’s correct. I got tested and the result was ‘simpleton +’

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William Gruff
William Gruff
4 years ago
Reply to  George L

You must be to subject yourself to a test that is absolutely useless, especially when conducted at a frequency that is guaranteed to result in a false positive.

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  William Gruff

Pupils are forced to, and many employees – they are not all simpletons.

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George L
George L
4 years ago
Reply to  huxleypiggles

I’m sure 666,000 is the correct figure..

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RickH
RickH
4 years ago

The nightmare of gullibility continues as a bovine population is fed more and more egregious crap.

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Epi
Epi
4 years ago
Reply to  RickH

Nicely put.

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divoc origi 19
divoc origi 19
4 years ago

The headline in the telegraph is horrifically negligent at best. The author, editor and newspaper should be thoroughly embarrassed.

Have the powers-that-be not figured it out yet? That no matter how much pressure, misdirection, coercion or outright lying they do, those of us who don’t want the jab, are not going to take it. At all. Whatsoever. If they think that we are the kind of people who would abandon our principles for the sake of holidays, jobs, societal pressure or dishonest newspaper articles then they are gravely mistaken.

You don’t pick a fight with somebody who is willing to give up absolutely everything for what they believe in.

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Epi
Epi
4 years ago
Reply to  divoc origi 19

Sadly some no, quite a lot of folk DO abandon their principles for 2 weeks on the lash in Benidorm.

Agree with you about the Telegraph, unfortunately her indoors still likes to read it otherwise I would have stopped paying my subscription ages ago.

The world is in a bad place right now. Sorry to state the bleeding obvious.

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  divoc origi 19

Nero did.

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Brett_McS
Brett_McS
4 years ago

This is called “headline research”. Research in search of a headline.

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William Gruff
William Gruff
4 years ago

Reports of reinfection may be greatly exaggerated, however, reports of serious adverse reactions to the ‘vaccine‘ are not.

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imp66
imp66
4 years ago

As expected, here come the “2 jabs aren’t enough to save you” stories. The Indian variant is ‘bionic’ bollox begins… “Boosters might save you, but caution is necessary” b.s. follows right behind. This scamdemic is never going to end, because Schwab, Faucci, BoJo, et.al don’t want it to end.

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Epi
Epi
4 years ago

“However, the idea that reinfection with the Delta variant is a major problem for which new interventions are required is, on current data, pure fearmongering.“

Well blow me down with a feather.

Who’d have thought eh?

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Helen
Helen
4 years ago

The Sars cov2 and its scariants do not exist. It exists as an artificial sequence on US patents to facilitate multimillion dollar fraud

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George L
George L
4 years ago

When you see this.. you just know the video author was on the right track..

nano tech youtube greyout.png
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George L
George L
4 years ago

What do you make of this then..

Tenders out for Temporary Body Storage UK Government

https://www.find-tender.service.gov.uk/Notice/013120-2021?origin=SearchResults&p=1

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George L
George L
4 years ago
Reply to  George L

Extract from above post

II.1.4) Short descriptionThe Authority seeks to procure a framework agreement for temporary body storage in the event of an excess deaths situation for the 32 London boroughs and the City of London, led by Westminster City Council. The framework agreement will appoint a single provider and will be for a period of 4 years. This will be a contingency contract, only called upon in the event that an excess deaths situation arises in the future and existing local body storage capacity needs to be augmented.
The over-arching aim of this tender is to provide a single framework supplier that will be able to provide temporary body storage facilities to house deceased in the event of an excess deaths situation. The deceased will be stored with dignity and respect, at locations to be determined based on local London needs at the time and will require some design elements to accommodate local site conditions and constraints, while being capable of rapid deployment, construction and commissioning to an agreed standard. This framework will be procured by the Authority as the pan-London lead, but all London local authorities may call-off against the framework.
This will be a contingency cover framework and as such there is no minimum guarantee of any level of spend or call-off under the framework agreement.

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HelzBelz
HelzBelz
4 years ago
Reply to  George L

Expecting lots of deaths of those partaken in the experimental gene therapy come this autumn / winter flu season, perhaps..?

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mikec
mikec
4 years ago

Roll up roll up, get your vaccine before the emergency licence expires in September. If you don’t get it we’ll give it to your kids…… The Government is taking incredible steps now to get folk vaccinated, threatening vaccination passports in Winter (despite no IT system they’ve ever launched so far working?), threatening the vaccination of kids who clearly don’t need it etc, etc.

I just hope the sceptics/general public remember this the next time we get to vote for Doris and his repellent chums.

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George L
George L
4 years ago
Reply to  mikec

Next time.. Vote..??? what an earth for. So they can be replaced with people of the same ilk but sporting a different name and colour of rosette. Yet more compromised politicians. No, people need to see that for years all our voting has brought about is nothing less than an elected dictatorship in this country posing as a democratic government. This farce cannot continue..

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Epi
Epi
4 years ago
Reply to  mikec

Trouble is they are all the same or even worse. What a dreadful situation we’re found ourselves in.

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JFJ
JFJ
4 years ago

Thank you for this. I am 68 years old and fit, and had the first AZ vaccine, and a few weeks later caught the Indian variant, confirmed by the ZOE app group. It was like a bad cold, but with a fairly annoying headache, serial sneezing, and sore throat which I don’t usually have with a cold. I took the second dose of the vaccine. I’m sure some have it worse, but it lasted about 4 or 5 days and that was it. Can we get back to sanity and open up and stop living in fear.

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  JFJ

Some suggestions that people are more susceptible to Sars 2 straight after the injections.
You now have full immunity, please don’t have any top ups.

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winstonthatcher
winstonthatcher
4 years ago

I had COVID right at the very beginning, before the lockdown.
My daughter just had it and we had to isolate for 10 days.
I had very mild symptoms this time around.
Might have been COVID again, it might not
I couldn’t be arsed to get a test
Its with us and will be forever.
Time to move on to the next “crisis”

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Sandra Barwick
Sandra Barwick
4 years ago
Reply to  winstonthatcher

What symptoms?

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Woden
Woden
4 years ago
Reply to  Sandra Barwick

The toe ?

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Bella Donna
Bella Donna
4 years ago

Its all nonsense! Keep running the PCR test at 40 cycles and you can have covid multiple times.

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Peter W
Peter W
4 years ago
Reply to  Bella Donna

It seems that they haven’t been running any (real world) PCR tests but it has all literally been done on a petri dish – no real world data involved to upset their pre-assumptions.

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lutherkehrt@gmail.com
lutherkehrt@gmail.com
4 years ago

To believe anything about “re-infection” requires not only faith that lab tests match real-world events, but also an enormous amount of trust in notoriously unreliable tests and testing. Wisdom would say we cannot seriously hold trust in such a series of “maybes”.

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Peter W
Peter W
4 years ago

Of course they have produced scary “findings” in their petri dish, they’re working for Big Pharma who want to sell us more jabs to “protect” us (or is that protect their shareholders? ).

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