A number of major airlines, including Ryanair, easyJet and British Airways, will continue to force passengers to wear face masks on their planes after “Freedom Day”. They will join businesses in other sectors which have decided to refuse custom from people who don’t follow Government “advice” after July 19th. ITV News has the story.
Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced on Monday that face coverings will no longer be a legal requirement in the fourth and final stage to ease England’s lockdown…
Despite the Government’s decision, Ryanair has said it will continue to make face masks mandatory on flights.
The airline said in a statement: “In order to protect the health of our customers and crew, the use of face masks will still be mandatory across all Ryanair flights, regardless of the departing/destination country.”
Asked about its plans from July 19th, easyJet also said it currently has no plans to drop its requirement for passengers to wear face masks.
It said: “At present, there are no changes to easyJet’s onboard mask policy and we will continue to keep this under review.
“We continue to be guided by our inhouse medical adviser and a number of key industry governing bodies that airlines follow including the World Health Organisation, International Civil Aviation Organisation, E.U. Aviation Safety Agency, the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control and public health authorities across Europe, and at present their guidance around the wearing of masks onboard remains unchanged.”
Meanwhile, train industry body the Rail Delivery Group said “wearing a mask helps protect others”, but said that the relaxation of the rules around their use indoors would apply to trains.
It has however have pledged to “support” passengers who continue wearing face coverings if they become voluntary.
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Stop Press: “If people don’t object to this now, their grandchildren will be wearing masks in the 2050s, although nobody will remember why,” says Mail on Sunday columnist Peter Hitchens.
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My considered thought is, **** off, and I hope you go bankrupt.
And who would put their life into the hands of a vaxed pilot anyway?
The big problem is whether there will be any viable competition allowed.
In certain sectors, airlines being one, there are a limited number of large providers with high barriers to entry. Also applies to supermarkets, other sectors dominated by big chains like sports and leisure. The “I will take my business elsewhere” approach, while definitely the correct thing to do, will not always work – you will have to choose between compliance and simply not flying/going swimming/visiting a museum or whatever activity it is.
And because these will be rules set by individual businesses, the vague, non-exhaustive list of exemptions that applied to the SI won’t apply. Doubtless they will exempt people with specific medical conditions and disabilities, but not sceptics.
Then I would never ever go abroad by airplane again.
We must not give in to these bullies.
I HOPE EVERYONE OF THEM GO OUT OF BUSINESS. (Shops,barbers,hairdressers,pubs, clubs, the bloody lot of em)
Well, I am sure we will all do our best not to give in but often the choice will be very difficult – what if you have close relatives abroad, or you ffed your family by working in one of those businesses, or your passion in life requires access to places that insist on masks?
Could always use a dinghy to swing across the Channel.
There are always a bunch of them around, abandoned for some mysterious reason.
I understand the RNLI generously go out of their way to assist your passage (inbound, at least), and the “Conservative” government eases your passage into the country, as well..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1zFbBILstM
Nothing to do about this?
Indeed. And this:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9750655/Migration-madness-thats-radar-THREE-revelations-border-policing.html
I’ve already decided that I will not take the vaccine or wear a mask and will accept being barred from international travel for as long as it takes, and I do have close family abroad – two adult children currently.
But it’s relatively easy for me because I’ve travelled a fair bit and seen enough of the world to be going on with. Obviously the decision is much harder for some, especially the young who have not yet travelled much.
Take your point, Julian.
Indeed. I have no doubt the airlines will have looked at where the money is going to be and will have considered losing people like us is the better option and a price worth paying. As there will be plenty of folk quite willing to get jabbed and muzzled in order to fly for whatever reason the airlines will go for the faux ‘keeping us safe’ approach. Maybe they will drop the nonsense in due course but as with many of the other rules brought in after terrorist attacks I fear they are here to stay. Not only will every air traveller be deemed a potential terrorist but we will now be automatically deemed filthy vectors of disease as well.
Plus pressure from within families who are prepared to put up with this just to go on holiday. It will be very difficult for me, as my wife is not as anti mask as I am. I would love to see the evidence they have for enforcing this nonsense.
There is no evidence for masks, that is why you cant find it. All pro mask studies have had to be withdrawn. All anti mask studies are discredited by the Establishment. Reminds me of Galileo and his problems with the Catholic church about the Earth going around the Sun. What evidence did the Catholic church have that the Earth did not go around the Sun? None, except the Establishment of the day felt that the Sun went around the Earth.
If I go anywhere from now on, I’m bloody driving!
Perhaps they will come close to going out of business but then change their facemask rules and come back from the brink.
A huge number of businesses have been running on limited capacity, but they’ve been kept ticking over by furlough money. This time, they’ll be running on limited capacity for a different reason – people would just rather not sit in a cinema, or go on a long-haul flight, or spend money in shops other than what is absolutely necessary, if they have to wear a stupid piece of cloth on their face.
But without furlough support, limited capacity means sustaining losses. Businesses will face a choice: drop the silly gimmick of facemasks or lose most of your customers.
Why would they go out of business? Plenty of people going to pubs, restaurants, recreational shopping, happy to go along with masks.
Sad but true- I find it pathetic, but most people I know will go along with anything just to be ‘allowed’ to go to the pub/cinema, etc.
Hopefully.
Just get an asthma inhaler and show it to them as proof that you are mask exempt. There’s always a way round these things. Seek and ye shall find!
Another way is to eat and drink very slowly.
Great ideas.
And eat a triple helping of baked beans before boarding, after all the masks will protect them.
You can buy a ventolin inhaler over the counter.
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Hitchens gave up his right to pontificate and lecture the rest of us when he sold the pass about three months ago, getting vaccinated just so he could travel.
Do the airlines have to allow for exemptions?
It would be much better if the airlines did something about the appalling quality of air in flight .
I expect the airlines would need to allow for exemptions on medical/disability grounds. You could pretend you had a medical issue and they might let it pass, but I doubt it would stand up in court if they decided to push it. Saying masks harm you because of CO2 or whatever would likely get thrown out as they are universally used now and no-one except a few sceptics considers them harmful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDxJ21cT26A
May be worth promoting the JAMA article that’s the focus of this Ivor Cummins vid.
There are folks over on Awakened Travel @ Faceborg who post maskless selfies all the time
Yep – and hasn’t done the old sell-out much good (Tee Hee).
As I remarked previously, this was always going to be the case. Their insurers have written the requirement into their policies. If they don’t do it, and they have any liability , they will get taken to the cleaners. So they will conform. No amount of public outcry will change this, it will only change if governments put enough pressure on insurers to change these clause. Its just possible insurers could compete by offering cover without these requirements, but as no insurer actually wants to cover risk , there is as much chance of this as seeing a squadron of flying pigs go by.
It is exactly like the clause introduced about ‘climate change’. Every commercial enterprise is now constrained by insuance and finance requirements to show they are conforming to emmission reduction policies including carbon trading where appicable. this is all part of the ‘reset’. It goes unnoticed most of the time, until its too late, and your gas boilers are no longer legal for instance.
I wonder how long the insurance side will last when they get sued for causing all sorts of other problems.
Unfortunately, you are depressingly right.
So, the government and the likes of Pfizer can’t be sued for forcing people to have unproven, experimental vaccines, but a shop can be sued if someone claims they caught Covid from a maskless person on their premises…why can’t we go back to ‘enter at your own risk’?
First they giveth, then they take it away…
If the airlines have any sense, they will allow self exemption in the terms and conditions for flying with them.
It prevents you from suing the airline if the obstruction to breathing causes health issues.
Just like the Government did with the so called ‘mask mandate’
Everyone is exempt.
Thankfully I don’t have to fly for a while longer. Last train ride I was on every pulled down their masks after boarding. But Hitchens is right. There is no reason then to ever remove masks on a plane, which, after takeoff actually has better airflow and ventilation then any other indoor space. When will it end? I asked that of my MP last July when the rule began. Never got an answer.
Follow up question: Covid continues to spread even in fully masked countries. This means either a) the masks have stopped Covid spreading but somehow some other unknown factor is at work or b) masks are ineffective against Covid. Given the size of the virus, I know which one I’d lean on. But a now $300b a year industry (masks) means there is great incentive to keep their captive market (pun intended).
Landmark Danish study finds no significant effect for facemask wearers
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/do-masks-stop-the-spread-of-covid-19-
You are peeing in the wind with this one, I’m afraid. We have all tried to use it when making our cases but it may as well not exist. The Covid Cultists simply do not want to know.
Ah, Ryanair “the world sleaziest airline and proudly so”, and British Airways “We lose your bags with candour” and Easyjet “we are as shit as the others”
what a lovely bunch
The problem is that their air conditioning systems don’t filter out the Sars virus cos it’s too small. If masks worked they could just put an old sock or two over the inlet and outlet and bingo! Problem solved.
But as it is they have to pretend that they believe that wearing masks will fix the unfixable air filtering problems.
You are both right. The ‘masks’ used by the general public are rubbish and mostly non-compliant with any standards for ‘medical masks’, and most do not know how to use them properly, so they are worse than useless, and once the engines on planes are running, it’s pretty good quality. When recycling is in use, it’s possible to treat it by ultra violet C to annihilate unwanted contaminants; don’t know if planes have that or not, though, E.g. https://www.amca.org/educate/articles-and-technical-papers/amca-inmotion-articles/uv-c-for-hvac-air-and-surface-disinfection-2.html
You’re allowed to remove masks to eat and drink. Box clever and prolong the pleasure of eating on a plane.
Similar tactics worked over substantial meals. Leave a lettuce leaf on your plate with your fork cocked and the fascist inspector can’t touch you if you order one for the road..
Last several flights ive been on this and last everyone gets really good at making a packet of crisps and a coffee last 4 hours.
I’ll be doing exactly that this weekend as i suspect will 80% of other people on the flight.
So Govt leaves the door open for private businesses to do their dirty work for them and lo and behold, it’s like masks are no longer a personal choice.
I won’t be wearing a muzzle and any die hard mask fanatic companies will not get my business. I think those like me will be in the minority but I feel the last 12 months has prepared me for living without forgeign holidays and the like.
Meh.
I agree with your attitude, and have never used them at all. No trader is immune to the discrimination act etc, whatever the usual suspects say. If you declare that you are exempt, they cannot override it, or they can expect a letter from your solicitor.
Well if they can sell all their seats to the sheeple then they will be vindicated.
And it will leave a gap in the market for an airline that is less twatty.
“Gap in the market” In theory maybe. In practice the barriers to entry are too high and a handful of sceptics are not worth the candle.
In a tin can in the air with extremely limited air filtration systems, everybody would have to be in a spacesuit to prevent the viral load in the cabin from getting past the critical threshold. A leaky cloth isn’t going to slow anything down.
It is the most pointless waste of time, and the most extreme version of value signalling imaginable.
Quite literally lunacy.
It’s actually the opposite! There’s no shortage of fresh air on a plane because it comes from the engine intake. It’s approx 70% continually fresh and 30% recycled so that people don’t dry out too much – but even the filtered stuff is very pure.
But the random way masks are worn and handled would make the whole exercise pointless even if they actually worked- they must know this, and yet they persist with the virtue signalling. Not for me, I have better things to do with my time.
You are both right. The ‘masks’ used by the general public are rubbish and mostly non-compliant with any standards for ‘medical masks’, and most do not know how to use them properly, so they are worse than useless, and once the engines on planes are running, it’s pretty good quality. When recycling is in use, it’s possible to treat it by ultra violet C to annihilate unwanted contaminants; don’t know if planes have that or not, though,
I used to be international cabin crew so I dread to think how many viruses and bacteria I would’ve been exposed to! Only had one bad cold/flu in years and prob caught that at home.
Biggest health risk was definitely malaria, since it’s not possible to take a prophylactic permanently so the only way of avoiding it was avoiding getting bitten. Couple of colleagues caught it.
People are worried about the wrong stuff!
Minor point, but I recommend you don’t follow the link to ITV News. That piss-taking website forces cookies on you and there’s no facility to opt out. In fact, I think their approach is illegal.
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Thanks. I’ll look at it. Hopefully it can be used on Opera.
I think this is all about insurance now. The provision of public liability insurance now probably depends on business premises being “Covid safe”! However, I can’t imagine there is a clause in any policy about being “flu safe” even though you’re 5 times more likely to die of it than Covid!
If somebody died of the flu a short period after coming off a flight, then they probably wouldn’t try to sue the airline. Not so with Covid though… Go figure!
It’s time to push back everywhere. Identify the harms from masks from the WHO guidance, send it and ask them how they are keeping you safe by subjecting you to known harms.
Just to qualify, they will keep masks compulsory on flights…..except when you’re eating and drinking….centimetres away from somebody next to you.
Personally I would have awarded Covi the George Cross, as it’s so polite it takes a dinner break at the same time as all of us humans. That’s definitely on the considerate side of the spectrum for a deadly virus.
And it keeps a low profile.Never rises above the level of the dining table to attack passing zombies.
We need a high profile name-and-shame website for all businesses that enforce this idiocy.
If a point isn’t made now they’ll NEVER remove the rule.
Fuming because im booked on Easyjet the week after the 19th. Although id still rather walk than fly BA for any journey at all.
Name and shame all you want, but harcore sceptics like us who object strongly on principle to masks are in a small minority. I doubt many people care much what we think.
The feeling is mutual.
Just exempt yourself and ignore them ?
That doesn’t work for non-legal policy of private premises or businesses (ie airlines).
They can admit who they do/dont want for any reason.
I’m not sure about this. I don’t think they can refuse admission if that violates the Disability Discrimination Act. A person claiming mask exemption at present does so under the terms of that act (I personally claim exemption because mask wearing causes me psychological distress). Unless the law on this is changed I think one or two test cases will cause businesses to change their minds.
I hope the whole lot of them go bankrupt.
This will stay for a looooong time.
Forever. As has been mentioned, in years to come people will not know why they are wearing them, but wear them they will.
Work meeting today “we should encourage people to wear masks as an act of kindness”. I have said we should not do so, for legitimate harmful reasons. It’s ridiculous, pathetic and scummy in equal measure. I am sick to my back teeth of it all. Then on top it’s a case of “update all the risk assessments”. How and what for ? The risk assessment the HSE put out is about controlling the transmission of Covid. It is not legitimate in H&S principles as the Risk Assessment must be about the significance of harm, not the significance of transmission. I don’t think I can honestly keep swimming against such a tide of stupid.
It’s exhausting isn’t it?
‘Then on top it’s a case of “update all the risk assessments”. How and what for?‘
Because that is what ‘managers’ do. They must be seen to be doing something, however pointless or ultimately disadvantageous, simply to remain ‘in post’.
Yet they’re not updating their advice to warn against flying after being jabbed. Surely there’s huge legal ramifications for them if someone dies of a blood clot when they know the dangers are there and haven’t warned anyone? Particularly sinister is when destination countries require the double-jab as entry requirements…
Nothing to see here. Just another of those incredibly rare coincidences that this shitshow is full of.
I’d assumed I was never going to be able to fly again anyway. Not before The Revolution anyhow.
I fully expect business and first class passengers to be exempted soon and first.
So they are keeping masks, however they’ll scrap the ‘social distancing’ rules straight away and pack people in like sardines again. I’ll be eating and drinking very slowly, what are they going to do, throw you off the plane mid-flight?
This outsourcing of discriminatory activity to businesses is plain wrong, illegitimate and, in a functioning democracy, illegal.
Unfortunately, only Ron DeSantis gets that and fights against it.
All other politicians dance to the fascist oligarchs tune here.
But besides, this is not as straightforward as they currently seem to make it (up) for them:
Do the old exemption rules apply?
If not, are there new ones?
If a business demands masks but the law or guidance doesn’t, it will surely also have a set of new, different liabilities in that regard.
First, the exemptions, as above.
Then, the safety assessments- they cannot rely on the excuse that the government told them to enforce this, if someone gets a heart attack due to that suffocating masking, they are on the hook.
I am sure that there is plenty of other legal stuff to consider here and that as such, they are best advised to stick to government policy and ditch any mask mandate from 19.7. as well.
Sadly, I think I have taken my last ever flight.
I renewed my passport in February 2020 … terrible timing. The UK govt defrauded me of >£70.
But at least you got a proper British passport.(I hope)
Im just waiting for the first loss of cabin pressure incident where 200 panicking masked up people try to forcefully pull on an oxygen mask, forget to remove their masks, fail to get a seal and end up passing out or suffocating.
A normally innocuous in-flight issue turning rapidly nasty.
Read the terms and conditions of the booking, if the airlines have any sense, there will be medical exemption in there which will be your way around this madness.
The airlines would never insist that anyone has their breathing restricted, they would get sued. The medical exemption will protect them against this.
Anyway, even if you did wear a mask on a plane, you would still be allowed to take it off to eat and drink which makes the whole thing pointless.
Once the aircraft is pressurised, take it off claiming breathing difficulties in the reduced pressure cabin. Feign passing out…
Presumably you’ll have to mask up in the airports too- so you’re potentially looking at 7-8 hours, possibly longer wearing something that you know isn’t good for you. In most cases just to get a break in the sun. If I didn’t know better, I’d think that someone, somewhere doesn’t want us filthy peasants flying at all…
I have been on many planes since this crappy mandate came in. I don’t suffer from any sort of respiratory problem but I do find that wearing this things cause me to have laboured breathing.
Unfortunately i have no option but to comply as my home country does not have any ‘mask exemption’ policies. Also i have to get from a-b.
It will be interesting to see what happens when I fly at the end of the month!!!
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Sorry Mr Hitchens- you bought into this
When I flew BA last November I told them I was exempt from wearing a mask and there were no problems at all.In fact they helped by issuing me a lanyard, as they said this would stop me being questioned all the time. One steward asked if there was anything she could do to help. I told her my only requirement was to be able to breathe freely. The trouble is the Establishment management is out of touch with the average employee.
I have just been in hospital and it is largely the top people that want you to wear a mask. The poor NHS employees, who have to wear these stupid masks all the time, are forced to cooperate. A lot of them are anti mask and many of them don’t wear them properly, not that I mind that.
Re. the Peter Hitchens’ Comment: Is he the same Peter Hitchens who accepted the jab for the sake of an easy life?
Well that will be good news for the beleaguered airline industry, along with all the leisure sector, all in apparently deep shite, wanting to start generating revenue fast else they will go bust, so they decide to bring in face-knicker apartheid. That’ll do it!
Mind you, it could actually be a Eureka moment, if you believe the polls (I don’t) the vast majority of the new variant hidey Human being (Homo Bovinus) is in favour of keeping their face-knickers on for the foreseeable future. Independent thinkers like sceptics are very much in the minority. This might be very astute business thinking by Ryan air et al, catering to the majority punter and not giving a toss about free thinkers.
I have just received an email asking me to sign a petition to “Keep Legal requirement to wear face coverings in shops and supermarkets after July19th”! WTF.